Miniature Fully Functional Taiwanese Preproduction Sten Gun

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    In the mid 1950s, the Nationalist government on Taiwan was in serious need of small arms, and decided to set up production of the Sten gun. They had the facilities of the 44th Arsenal outside Taipei, which had been relocated there from the mainland in 1948. For some assistance, the government hired a US Army officer as a consultant, and as part of the production setup, they built half a dozen miniature but fully-functional Stens in .32ACP. One of these came home with the US officer, and was registered in the 1968 Amnesty.
    The magazine well has the proper symbol of the 44th Arsenal, and they gun has two specific irregularities compared to a standard British Sten. The fire control housing is triangular instead of rounded, and it has no semiauto selector switch. These features carried through to the fully production guns, as one can see on an example in the British Royal Armouries today:
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  • @DDdrifter
    @DDdrifter 2 года назад +4656

    Who else wanted to hear Ian say "Tune in tomorrow to see this gun on the range" at the end of this video.

    • @johnfrench7804
      @johnfrench7804 2 года назад +121

      I did.

    • @graham9971
      @graham9971 2 года назад +32

      Hell yes!

    • @h.a.9880
      @h.a.9880 2 года назад +172

      Oh man, I'd love to see Ian using that thing in a backup gun match.

    • @HadToChangeMyName_YoutubeSucks
      @HadToChangeMyName_YoutubeSucks 2 года назад +17

      I expect more people than didn't want to hear it.

    • @shize9ine
      @shize9ine 2 года назад +38

      Me on pretty much every video. Especially the HK flash bang dispenser

  • @seafodder6129
    @seafodder6129 2 года назад +346

    "Who's a good little sten gun? _You're_ a good little sten gun..." Ian, probably.

    • @traviskeeler4533
      @traviskeeler4533 2 года назад

      Thanks man. Needed a good belly laugh and your comment provided a lengthy one!

  • @Zilch616
    @Zilch616 2 года назад +296

    Don't let Ian fool you, shooting the HK51 actually made him double in size

  • @romaliop
    @romaliop 2 года назад +1102

    Just what a hobbit needs to defend his hole in the ground.

  • @martindl99
    @martindl99 2 года назад +9

    I was 4 in 1954. This little beauty would have fitted my Xmas stocking perfectly. Plus a box of.32.

    • @JerryEricsson
      @JerryEricsson Месяц назад +1

      I was 3 but what the hell. Dad did give me a toy machine gun when I was 7 or 8, it was shaped like a tin tommy gun, when you pulled the trigger it spun a gear that hit a flint and shot sparks out the front, there was a sort of red gel in the front that made it light from the sparks. I loved that little toy, perhaps that was why I loved guns so much when I got a bit older. Alas in my old age my once large collection of fine firearms has dwindled down to a very loved few and I am no longer able to take them to the range. I am at the point in my life where I am about to execute my will and designate which pistol goes to which grand-son and great-grand son. I think the great-grandson will get my Taurus .22LR revolver, the old model that looks exactly like the S&W .22/32 kit gun. Dad had one of those for walking his trap line in the winter down on Timber Creek where he trapped for the fur, you could get good money for mink and ermine back in the day, it kept food on the table and that little .22 was easy to carry in a holster he made himself out of leather left over from the horse and buggy days of his early life on the farm. Wish I had kept that holster but back then it was just a scrap of the old days and we left it on the farm when we moved to town. Now a wheat field exists where the old house used to stand. Sad really.

  • @widgren87
    @widgren87 2 года назад +118

    I can imagine something like this being as a "Please accept this gift as proof of what we can do here at our factory and keep us in mind for your future needs" kind of promotional thing .
    Still a cool little gun I would love to see on the range :-)

    • @kevinohalloran7164
      @kevinohalloran7164 2 года назад +2

      I'm thinking .22 or .17 cal? And can somebody convert these to metric?

    • @rssvss
      @rssvss 2 года назад +2

      @@kevinohalloran7164 5.6×15mmR and 4.5 mm HMR

    • @rssvss
      @rssvss 2 года назад +6

      "Bet you can't make the STEN smaller!"
      "OH yeah!, hold my Huangjiu!"

    • @kj3n569
      @kj3n569 2 года назад +2

      Would be better than a pen with the company's name on it, for sure.

  • @kieranellix3402
    @kieranellix3402 2 года назад +235

    Will the baby STEN one day grow up to be a Sterling?

    • @halo7oo
      @halo7oo 2 года назад +48

      If it eats it's steel-cased ammunition it may grow up big & strong into a sterling.

    • @edmundscycles1
      @edmundscycles1 2 года назад +28

      How do you think the British made so many STEN guns . We locked a few up over night and they had babies .

    • @Bagginsess
      @Bagginsess 2 года назад +11

      The trick is to cross breed, as hybrids tend to be larger more capable beasts in comparison to their parents.

    • @edmundscycles1
      @edmundscycles1 2 года назад +4

      @@Bagginsess also to weed out any throw backs . Got to watch out for them reversions

    • @Bagginsess
      @Bagginsess 2 года назад +2

      @@edmundscycles1 aye brother!

  • @CanalTremocos
    @CanalTremocos 2 года назад +47

    me: How cute. You can shoot crickets with it.
    Ian: It's .32 acp.
    me: oh.

    • @tenhundredkills
      @tenhundredkills 2 года назад +9

      @@TheRealColBosch Yup! I can't tell you how many times I've been to a gunshop and someone dismisses a .32 for not having "enough" stopping power. My response is usually "Would you want to get shot with it?". The answer is always "No!".

    • @kj3n569
      @kj3n569 2 года назад +2

      BIG crickets.

  • @ComradeMauser
    @ComradeMauser 2 года назад +8

    I have two of them and mine do shoot.

    • @patrickbyrne5070
      @patrickbyrne5070 2 года назад +2

      @@lmk19848 im glad i saw your comment. thats a new rabbit hole to go down!

    • @heldhostageplshelp
      @heldhostageplshelp 2 года назад

      Yeah but are they .32 cal?

  • @RookieL021
    @RookieL021 2 года назад +60

    Man I hope the brass here in Taiwan see this and decide to invite you to see their various collections. Army Acadeny, Infantry School, National Defense University's School of Technology, and 205th Arsenal, I'm pretty sure it would be a heck of a visit!

    • @andersjjensen
      @andersjjensen 2 года назад +9

      I hope so too! And getting a bit more "Yes, Taiwan is a separate state" content on youtube wouldn't hurt either. Would absolutely love a tour of the 205th Arsenal. Ian has showed us speciality production of firearms for people with deep pockets. It would be nice to see a "Everything is about practicality, manufacturability, reliability and predictability" facility like a real defence arsenal.

    • @kittehgo
      @kittehgo 2 года назад +6

      @@andersjjensen I wonder how quickly you tube would strike Ian, if he said something like Taiwan being a sovereign state. If not then Ian could forget ever going to china..

    • @andersjjensen
      @andersjjensen 2 года назад +5

      @@kittehgo He did, gingerly, say "Where the nationalist party set up their own state" :P

    • @peekaboopeekaboo1165
      @peekaboopeekaboo1165 2 года назад

      @@andersjjensen
      Which is also a disinformation. As Japan surrendered and thus ended their annexation of Taiwan.

    • @RookieL021
      @RookieL021 2 года назад +4

      Ah crap, here we go again with the endless argument of Taiwan. I'll just leave some facts here:
      > Republic of (NOT COMMUNIST) China won WW2 with the Allied Powers.
      > Taiwan was transferred to ROC on October 25 1945, and had elected representative in National Assembly in 1947.
      > Communist won the civil war, establishing PRC on October 1 1949, while the Nationalist ROC government retreated to Taiwan.
      > The so-called Martial Law period, which limited elections, gathering, forming political parties, publications and such, was lifted in 1987. That was actually more like state of emergency because the communists were taking over the mainland, and they’re still trying to eliminate the remaining ROC government and control Taiwan.
      > I’m still paying taxes to the government called Republic of China.
      So the only territory controlled by Republic of China are islands including Taiwan , Penghu, Kinmen, Matsu, and several really small outlaying islands. And there is currently no government body officially called Taiwan. People may change the government’s name with referendum, or revising the Constitution of Republic of China. However, neither has happened yet.

  • @jacobharris7711
    @jacobharris7711 2 года назад +2

    you could hear it in his voice the entire video, the child inside him just bursting with joy. Dont worry Ian, we were all there with you. That is awesome.

  • @carlosspeicywiener7018
    @carlosspeicywiener7018 2 года назад +295

    Karen, "but what about the CHILDREN??"
    Me, "oh, it's ok. The kids can have guns, too."

    • @justindunlap1235
      @justindunlap1235 2 года назад +39

      just imagine a battalion of Taiwanese toddlers fighting back a communist invasion with these.

    • @sparky6855
      @sparky6855 2 года назад +10

      Adorable

    • @iMoD190
      @iMoD190 2 года назад +12

      @@justindunlap1235 there actually was an incident where the military of Taiwan forcibly conscripted some school children and killed those that resisted. when the teachers complained, the students were tortured into falsely accusing them of being communist spies.

    • @minhducnguyen9276
      @minhducnguyen9276 2 года назад +10

      When your conscription law is scraping the barrel.

    • @samhansen9771
      @samhansen9771 2 года назад +5

      @@iMoD190 source?

  • @TreacherousFennec
    @TreacherousFennec 2 года назад +4

    Conspiracy theory: Ian grew in size and now screwing with us

  • @NikoChristianWallenberg
    @NikoChristianWallenberg 2 года назад +14

    "Set up its own independent state there" - CCP just blacklisted you.

    • @surlyogre1476
      @surlyogre1476 2 года назад

      ...Their loss.

    • @Sp00kyV0id
      @Sp00kyV0id 2 года назад +1

      -1,000,000 Social Credit

    • @patrickbyrne5070
      @patrickbyrne5070 2 года назад

      i notice he said chinese.... i guess i dont blame him... much

    • @ng.tr.s.p.1254
      @ng.tr.s.p.1254 2 года назад +1

      @@patrickbyrne5070 I mean Taiwan is officially the Republic of China (not to be confused with the "People's" Republic of China) so it's not wrong per se. Also clearly the RoC is the only real China in our hearts ;)

    • @Vestyyy887
      @Vestyyy887 3 месяца назад

      ​@@ng.tr.s.p.1254 RoC🇹🇼🇹🇼

  • @lukenakahara7272
    @lukenakahara7272 2 года назад +20

    Wow, So Ian, when are you going to take it to the range an run it through it's paces. I enjoyed watching you fire the recent full auto flash-bang tool 🔧.
    It would be fascinating and amusing to see you fire it at the range. Has anyone fired this one?
    Keep up the fabulous content.

  • @CurtHowland
    @CurtHowland 2 года назад

    I often wonder "what might have been" had the 1968 and 1986 prohibitions never been put in place.

  • @doger944
    @doger944 2 года назад +1

    3:20 He said it! Can't take it back!

  • @x208864
    @x208864 2 года назад +1

    謝謝你分享這段有趣的槍枝歷史故事

  • @gsneff
    @gsneff 2 года назад

    I have wanted few things more than I want this. Cool novelty

  • @tiegertanz
    @tiegertanz 2 года назад +3

    "With this and my Tippmann M2 i will rule the world"
    Some war-lusty housecat, probably in the US

  • @SmokeyTheLarge
    @SmokeyTheLarge 2 года назад

    When i read the title i thought its just a smaller/more compact version of the Sten, not this small! Threw me off quite

  • @mattycakes1161
    @mattycakes1161 2 года назад

    Seriously need one of these.

  • @emilchen9866
    @emilchen9866 2 года назад +18

    Note that Taiwan is a country and has lots of differences with China and the Nationalist government did some atrocities (228 white terror, my family were victims) on the people in Taiwan, but now Taiwan is a democracy (2 parties instead of one) and please visit Taiwan! From Taiwan.

    • @daviddavidson2357
      @daviddavidson2357 2 года назад +1

      Can't visit Taiwan due to the CCP flu at the moment & flight restrictions.
      I do have a Taiwanese laptop though.

    • @emilchen9866
      @emilchen9866 2 года назад +1

      David Davidson Move here! No covid to worry about in Taiwan!

  • @chiranjibbaruah5044
    @chiranjibbaruah5044 2 года назад

    Gifting a miniature Sten to a kid? Now that's soldiering.

  • @PhuzzPhactor
    @PhuzzPhactor 2 года назад +3

    This is the shit I tune in for. Delightful.

  • @Hawk1966
    @Hawk1966 2 года назад +2

    Gods, I want to see him fire this tomorrow. That's just so adorable!

  • @AspiLeo
    @AspiLeo 2 месяца назад

    Look how my little Ian has grown up.

  • @jubuttib
    @jubuttib 2 года назад

    I can't wait to see this in the pistol caliber carbine championships next time!

  • @stianberg5645
    @stianberg5645 2 года назад

    Miniatures are good for overcoming language barriers and to instruct illiterate people.
    That might be why they made this cute little sten, to prevent miscommunication when setting up production.

  • @rjoetting7594
    @rjoetting7594 2 года назад

    You really need to take this one out to the range and do a video.

  • @milkapeismilky5464
    @milkapeismilky5464 2 года назад +1

    I definitely envy Ian's access to all these fascinating guns. It's good for us that Ian isn't super wealthy; otherwise, we'd never have these incredible videos and unique research.

  • @cliffracer_
    @cliffracer_ 2 года назад +5

    So sad to see it shrunk since the royal armourys vid

  • @paulstuhrenberg9165
    @paulstuhrenberg9165 2 года назад +1

    I know the gentleman who registered this back in 1968, old school collector

  • @simonworrall7950
    @simonworrall7950 2 года назад

    The definitive example of “small arms”.

  • @Chiller01
    @Chiller01 2 года назад

    Ian inadvertently saves the life of the new owner by correctly locking the end cap upon reassembly of this cute little killer.

  • @erniemiller1953
    @erniemiller1953 2 года назад

    The officer got it in 1954 and registered it in 1968, so he got to enjoy it for 14 years, at least.

  • @shawnr771
    @shawnr771 2 года назад +7

    And now the weapon has been smuggled out of Morphy's

  • @tomvance3646
    @tomvance3646 2 года назад

    Ian has recognized Taiwan. No more Holosun for him.

  • @sharonrigs7999
    @sharonrigs7999 9 месяцев назад

    Very cool! I was expecting. 22LR or short, not .32ACP

  • @jimcharlton7869
    @jimcharlton7869 2 года назад

    .25 NAA round . I'm building a 4 inch barreled pistol. This gave me ideas. Semi only, closed bolt. The .25 round screams in longer barrels...

  • @devinmanderson
    @devinmanderson 2 года назад

    Okay lads let's pool our funds together so Ian can put this in his arsenal. I want to see this thing fire.

  • @ryanlang1548
    @ryanlang1548 7 месяцев назад

    Elbonia actually adopted this guy as it's side are.

  • @rosspiotrowski3321
    @rosspiotrowski3321 7 месяцев назад

    Ian's new concealed carry gun

  • @jeffyoung60
    @jeffyoung60 2 года назад

    Ah, this little STEN is rad! Do you all know what it's purpose was? My firm opinion was that it was a manufacturing guide for the manufacturing floor supervisors, leadmen, the machinists and workers. Why not just keep a British STEN on the floor as a guide? Probably because the Nationalist Chinese STEN was not quite a 100% duplicate of the British STEN. There were slight but significant differences.
    The wonderful history of scale models dates back to the U.S. Civil War. I don't know about other nations. But in the time period of the 1860s, illiteracy was still high, there were few, skilled, educated draftsmen and those who could read and decipher complicated blue prints. Manufacturers came up with the idea of minutely crafted, beautiful scale models of cannon mounted on wheeled carriages. These would be placed at a strategic spot on the manufacturing floor for employees and supervisors to refer to when assembling the final product. So when people nowadays marvel at the beautiful scale models of wood sailing ships made back in the day, these served a practical purpose to give every employee involved in the construction a mental image of what the final product would look like. It was a way of, "keeping everyone on the same page", so to say.

  • @trojanwarrior56
    @trojanwarrior56 2 года назад

    Small arms production indeed!

  • @edshelden7590
    @edshelden7590 2 года назад

    Great story. Thank you for the share.

  • @sam1812seal
    @sam1812seal 2 года назад +1

    Ian’s getting in some early suggestions for his Christmas presents this year…

  • @daviddavidson2357
    @daviddavidson2357 2 года назад +15

    Another daily reminder that Taiwan is a free and independent nation! 🇹🇼❤️🇹🇼
    Someone got really salty over at Jonathan's channel, I hope they're here too.

  • @Matt_The_Hugenot
    @Matt_The_Hugenot 2 года назад

    I guess these were made as gifts for people involved in the project.

  • @jasonpowers6092
    @jasonpowers6092 2 года назад

    Seeing this lil guy at the range would be a riot.

  • @Requeium
    @Requeium 2 года назад

    I definitely thought there was a random engraving of a pepperoni pizza on the gun...

  • @chrisjones6002
    @chrisjones6002 2 года назад

    Perfect for concealed carry.

  • @karlstuck6772
    @karlstuck6772 Год назад

    With a right grip and a silencer in.22 it would be an assasins weapon.

  • @MarkzOng
    @MarkzOng 2 года назад

    Probably for their agents to use across the straits .

  • @MrPanzerDragoon
    @MrPanzerDragoon 2 года назад +1

    Taiwan: we need to produce "small arms" against China....literally. 😂

  • @nolanthompson2701
    @nolanthompson2701 2 года назад

    Perfect for my key-chain

  • @MrJohndoakes
    @MrJohndoakes 2 года назад

    Metal probably was at a premium, so making the gun miniature was both a show of gunsmithing skill and what they wanted to make in full scale.

  • @jimbo1278
    @jimbo1278 2 года назад +4

    of all the crazy and interesting firearms out there like the hellregal, colt M16A1 (Mk4 Mod 0 varent), ultimac 100 and so on... why do i want this 1/3ed scale "clone" more then any other firearm??!!
    I mean its an interesting peace and all but its still just a Sten in .32 ACP
    but daaamn i realy want one!

  • @Ben_not_10
    @Ben_not_10 3 месяца назад

    I garuntee that gun would break the “dollar to weight” amount at auction

  • @jmalmsten
    @jmalmsten 2 года назад

    I join in the cries of requests to see it or a clone of it be used on the firing range!

  • @coffeemaiden7915
    @coffeemaiden7915 2 года назад

    Oh Neptune, Ian's social credit is going to go down :'3

  • @rubinbegeja
    @rubinbegeja 2 года назад

    I think it was done as a present for the American friend by the gunsmiths of the arsenal

  • @m1994a3jagnew
    @m1994a3jagnew 2 года назад

    "Yeah I conceal carry a sten"

  • @Skyfox94
    @Skyfox94 2 года назад

    Next thing we'll see is Jonathan Fergusson from the Royal Armories mentioning this video :D

  • @elijahv7225
    @elijahv7225 2 года назад

    Cool gun to keep in your cup holder

  • @nebiyuesayas5600
    @nebiyuesayas5600 2 месяца назад

    So a pocket carry SMG. Nice

  • @jonnoMoto
    @jonnoMoto 2 года назад +2

    Ah, this was the video Jonathan was talking about. The linked one didn't seem that relevant

  • @ericplaysbass
    @ericplaysbass 2 года назад

    Ian, you have got to fire that thing!

  • @jaymorris3468
    @jaymorris3468 2 года назад

    These were actually the standard weapon used by the pygmies of outer Mongolia, unfortunately they didn't keep up the copyright licence and now it's abundant in the elf, gnome and leprechaun communities.

  • @SquintyGears
    @SquintyGears 2 года назад

    The last 3 videos have had doubles in the video cut clearly from 2 takes where you end up saying different things but it's so weird hearing the same start twice

  • @jcat96
    @jcat96 2 года назад +1

    Royal Armories posted a video of their taiwanese sten yesterday, what a coincidence! (It's a collab)

  • @windmild
    @windmild 2 года назад

    Would love to see this fire in-full auto

  • @jonathanohagan1349
    @jonathanohagan1349 2 года назад

    Gun Jaysus has evolved, look how massive he is now...

  • @exploatores
    @exploatores 2 года назад

    I saw the royal armoury video. a few hours ago. I got confused a few seconds. over the size.

  • @tommyadkins844
    @tommyadkins844 2 года назад

    You know i can somebody can actually make a 8mm PAK version of this thing as a novelty item .

  • @extblues
    @extblues 2 года назад

    How great was the temptation to say "This is *so cute?*"

  • @kirilnikolovski81
    @kirilnikolovski81 2 года назад

    You need to take it to the range

  • @wbrennan2253
    @wbrennan2253 2 года назад

    Holy ****, that thing is cuter than a puppy. (Any one got ammo for that? Will the museum let him fire it?)

  • @ranziecrawford9079
    @ranziecrawford9079 2 года назад

    I wanna see Ian run a BUG match with it.

  • @Mrisopod
    @Mrisopod 2 года назад

    Is this what I get in my happy meal now?

  • @wolfmann2023
    @wolfmann2023 2 года назад

    Looks like the gun was made for members of the lollipop guild.

  • @yellowprime8491
    @yellowprime8491 2 года назад

    There's gunpla, then there's gun-pla.
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    To preempt any killjoys, I know the "pla" really stands for plastic.

  • @JeromeBill7718
    @JeromeBill7718 2 года назад

    He is morphing into Mr. Rogers

  • @Litany_of_Fury
    @Litany_of_Fury 2 года назад

    If you can figure out sheet metal and welding I imagine the Sten is a good gun to make.

  • @loetzcollector466
    @loetzcollector466 2 года назад

    Peter Dinklage is using this in the new SAS movie

  • @heliosdelsol
    @heliosdelsol 2 года назад +1

    PLEASE TELL US THAT YOU’RE GOING TO THE RANGE WITH THAT THING?!?!
    🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

  • @mattsmedley.onehandedgamin9029
    @mattsmedley.onehandedgamin9029 2 года назад

    Waiting patiently for a tiny mag dump.
    Unless you don't think you'd be able to control a weapon of this size Ian.

  • @curgunner
    @curgunner 2 года назад

    I’m pretty sure you posted this thing on Instagram a bit back but I cant find it now

  • @greenstreet5287
    @greenstreet5287 2 года назад

    bad guy tries to rob girl...
    girl pulls mini sten

  • @nikolasbbq
    @nikolasbbq 2 года назад

    Omg. Can’t wait to see what this sells for

  • @games4allgames4all50
    @games4allgames4all50 2 года назад

    My grandmother can arm her cat army with those

  • @jerrydonquixote5927
    @jerrydonquixote5927 2 года назад

    That is so damn cool, to me everything doesn't have to be about functionality and tactical ability some things are just really damn cool I'd love to have that!

  • @brianfoster4434
    @brianfoster4434 2 года назад

    Maybe they made them as presentation pieces.

  • @davidcooks5265
    @davidcooks5265 2 года назад +1

    I thought my sight was going Ian, but it look great in a man cave display

  • @dioncrown5966
    @dioncrown5966 2 года назад

    I am still waiting for a segment on the Tek-9.

  • @reshadreswan
    @reshadreswan 2 года назад

    boy: Hey dad look i found a cool looking toy...(points at bully friend)
    Dad: No, Son WAI....
    boy:.(pulls trigger)
    Dad:...T!
    Bully Friend: ..(Takes Last Breath....Dies)
    boy: ....

  • @chrisparris7003
    @chrisparris7003 2 года назад

    I’m in love please shoot this beautiful creation

  • @elktrip2000
    @elktrip2000 2 года назад

    Maybe they were made so small as gifts for key governmental figures.
    Also, It wouldn’t have been brought back by anyone in Vietnam as towns was our ally.

  • @shrimpanzy7627
    @shrimpanzy7627 2 года назад

    You'd think they would have gone with .25 ACP instead, closer to scale

  • @simritnam612
    @simritnam612 2 года назад

    @7:25 maybe, ease of concealment, smuggling or covert action? All of the above?