Jaguar F-type vs Porsche 911 Cabriolet | evo TRACK BATTLE
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- Опубликовано: 17 апр 2013
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Tiff Needell takes the latest F-type V6S around the Bedford Autodrome, to see how it compares to the Porsche 911 Cabriolet. 
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If I had the luck of standing in a situation where I could pick either of them, I would go with the drama: The Jaguar - laptimes really don't matter much in the real world, here it is all about how the car makes you feel, and in my opinion the Jaguar got that in spades over the Porsche. Of course the Porsche is amazing as well, nothing drives quite like it as far as I have been told, but those few % extra in drive-capabilities doesn't compare to the drama of the Jaguar - which of course also has to be the V8.
You were right 10 years ago and still are. For the ultimate drama and driver engagement, nothing beats the V6 manual. Asked me how I know 😊
Even though the Porsche is faster, I think I'd rather have the Jag. I wish we saw more of Tiff, his reviews have always been some of my favorites.
What I love about Tiff is that you can tell that he absolutely loves what he does for a living. He's having a ball
is it me or is the f-type just beautiful
Hmm, I'd say it's definitely a handsome car, but not beautiful one. Beautiful Jag's to me are cars like the E-Type, XJ120, early XKR's etc. The F-Type to me seems just a bit too short and a bit too wide. If I'm honest, I much prefer the styling of a hard-top 911.
Another Convertible that is stunning in the flesh; much more so than on a monitor...
I've driven both recently (along w/ the Jag V8s). The Jags were much more fun on the street and garnered lots of attention. The sound is incredible on the V8S.
I love the energy and the passion that mr. Needel has every time he reviews a car
I like how Tiff commented on the steering feel not being as great as the porsche's, and also pointed out other cons in the F-type. Whereas, reviewers like Autocar neglected to mention any of those things. Way to go Evo.
Hers a cold hard fact for you. Porsche is 3 seconds faster. But, how often will you be on a track to test your cars lap time? A lot less times then accelerating from first gear to second on every traffic light and hearing that Divine sound F -Type makes.
F-Type looks good, it sounds better and it turns heads a hell of a lot more then another 911 Porsche that looks like every other 911s in the last 20 or so years.
F-Type all the way
***** Exactly.... wrong. In 20 years when the F-Type is gone it will be remember and a beautiful classic, and the 911 will still be a boring looking douche-mobile.
Old man car. LOL. It really doesn't matter what you think though. Only a certain type of people like and drive Porsche's. If they were 'just' old men, they'd be lucky. But they're not.
"They can't all be douches"
Yes, they really can.
mechmat12345
You do know youre completely disproving your whole "douche theory" by being the narrow-minded porsche antagonist ranting against 911's like they picked on you in high school. By the way, predicting F-Type will be a classic in 20 years is nothing short of a joke Lol.
Eugene Gostnikov Another cold hard fact: it's not the 3 seconds you want. It's the ability and the manner in which the 911 gets that 3 seconds that matters.
No surprises here, except how well the new F-type performed as a first run car.
911s have been constantly upgraded for decades, and the F-type is new... The middle F-type model with the more powerful V6 would have been a closer race, but you race what is at the track at the time.
Good to see Tiff still hanging it out on the track too...
Was this not the middle F-Type model, the S ?
Unless the power to weight figures are very similar (the Jaguar weighing in at one hundred and sixty kilogrammes more.) how can you compare, fairly, these two cars?
Have to love Tiffs enthusiasm; and what has this man not driven.
One of those guys that should never Get older. Got to love Sir Tiff reviews always brings excitement to those who possible will never be able to drive or own such machines.
always love tiff's reviews
OMG!! one of the best review today keep up the excellent work =)
Great video as always from Evo
Tiff is just such a good driver and reviewer. Awesome review.
Nice review! Anyone who's got the chance to own an F-type is a rather blessed person. I got a V6 manual and it's awesome.
I love Tiff. Every video should be with him
Tiff really is a driving God. Everytime I see him behind the wheel of a car he's a magician.
Nice one Tiff. The best review of the F-Type to date (you didn´t feel like Land of Hope and Glory should have been playing in the backround) and there wasn´t even any on road driving. Just ability, enthusiasm and honesty.
I'm enjoying every minute on this review . Tiff is great
I have seen both on the road; yes, the F-Type is a real head-turner in terms of exhaust sound and looks. Yet, the 911 has an undying appeal, a breathtaking minimalist design that is only appreciated by a true Porschephile; just look at its proportions and (perhaps) you might understand why Porsche doesn't need to change its design. Allow me to digress, have a look at Apple's design, they don't change something that is good - change is always subtle and incremental but never drastic. Porsche's design is quite understated, and it really doesn't need to go blitz, it's a car that screams "Nothing to prove!" Those who buy cars just for the sake of looks or attention are simply those who have no clue about cars!
From inside the car, he always looks like he's about to crash, but from the outside, he looks like a master!
We love Tiff reviews!!!
Great review!
Great narration while driving-F-type is still my dream car
"Boxster engine"? I'm guessing he means boxer engine. That bothered me.
you aren't alone lol
actually he meant as he said boxster engine. The base 911 carrera has a 3.4l boxer 6 which actually is a tuned up version of the engine in the boxster-cayman.
Glad I wasn't the only one noticing that ahah
Love the video - the best F-Type themed one I have seen so far!
Chris Harris and Tiff are the most honest, petrol head reviewers out there...a dying breed.
love watching Tiff drives
I love how he looks at the camera and makes a face like Jason and says "fighter" haha
Tiff is truly a mad driver!!! Seeting him throw that porsche around at those speeds what a driver what a good journalist what a funny guy. would be fun to have a lunch with.
I don't mind seeing the Jag be slower, as long as it's equally as fun. Awesome video!
Tiff is amazing.. as always !!!
That's me doing that blip, That's me slippin' it sideways, That's me crashing into a hedge 1:35 :D
I'm glad Tiff did this vid
"In Top Gear". Great argument. A show which sole purpose it is to entertain, not to give serious reviews on cars.
The fact that there are even some reviewers that called the GTR boring speaks for itself, since I haven't heared ANYONE call a Porsche 911 boring.
The 911 IS the benchmark. And it IS more fun to drive than a GTR.
The GTR, just like many other sports cars, was designed with the 911 in mind. That, my friend, is THE definition of a benchmark car.
I think everyone should own a 911 in their life. Its just an engineering master piece that puts a smile on your face every time you drive it.
glad ppl like u understand wut fun driving is. kudos.
Yep, which is why Tiff's drifts always look so insane....because he's driving like a mad man.
Didnt know Tiff is on evo now.. Good choice!
There are certain facts of life and one of those is that nothing is ever QUITE as good as a 911.
Great video too! Tiff has still got it!
He was in F1 briefly. He was in a lot of different series, Formula Ford, Formula 3, British F1, F1, British Rallycross, Le Mans 24h, BTCC.
Jaguar all the way every time
Wow , I haven't seen tiff on TV or RUclips In a really long time
Tiff is the man and I think the Zonda R was the best review he ever gave on a car as it brought the best out of him. I would love to see him drive an Agera R.
Tiff you are the best. Cheers from Canada.
I'm not really a 911 fan, but I like the looks of the 991, and this evolution Porsche has taken to the design, and the driving characteristics. I respect the progress, and driving dynamics. As for the GT-R vs 911 debate; architects and engineers have been making precise calculations (911) long before calculators arrived (GT-R).
BTW: 1:33 LF wheel catching air, slight rallying in a 911. YES!!!
Porsche just really, really has their game together. They are perhaps the very best engineered chassis this side of an F1 car.
This guy always makes smile while watching the video. He is pretty cool.
This guys is so honest. Hes not biased just cuz the Jag is british:) Thats a real racer spirit!
I noticed a lot more steering input needed with the Jaguar. Not surprised the Porsche is the benchmark for other manufactures to beat. I still like the F- Type styling. The original is still one of my favorites of all time.
Thanks for posting...I appreciate the honest comparison by Tiff between the legendary Porsche 911 and the new Jaguar F-type. Although the latter has the looks, the Porsche has superior performance and handling!!
but the f- type looks stunning .... that's what most people who can actually afford to buy it are interested in .
porsche looks better
Yup. That rear end with the taillight design is by far one of the more stunning car design out there ATM besides the more Super/Hyper car realm (IE Aventador/LaFerrari/P1/etc etc). The Porsche on the other hand is handsome and is classic but for NOW the F-Type is the much more stunning car.
Zeiss120 Jaguar have a really good line up . There was a time when Jaguar used to to remind me of the XK or the horrible looking S-Type . But their current models are stunning . The XJ has much more road presence than a boring S-Class or an A8 . I have seen an XJ turn heads while people don't really bother about an equally posh Merc ,BMW or Audi . The F-type is probably the most interesting looking new car . Even a Lambo , Porsche or a Zonda aren't as interesting since we kinda know what to expect . The F-type looks new and fresh .
Mumbhai Khatri the porsche has a better chassis and it is more liveable than a jaguar f type
Mumbhai Khatri the porsche has a better chassis and it is more liveable than a jaguar f type
Not sure where you found this Tiff fellow (work experience maybe?), but he's shaping up to be a pretty good addition to the evo team!
hit the nail on the head there man
"A steering wheel with no buttons on it at all. A steering wheel that just does steering." - Tiff Needle
:)
I've driven Jaguars for long enough to have owned four of them and never had any problems at all. One of the most trouble free cars that I have ever owned. All of my GM cars had trouble. I had a Jeep Loredo that was crap. My father's Mercedes were always in the shop. Edmonds customer satisfaction survey gave the Jaguar XF 4.5 out of 5 stars. So where are you getting your info? BMW forums?
did tiff start the rolling start at the same speed for both cars? if not that wouldnt be fair right? please reply guys thx
I agree with Tiff... that 911 had a beautiful manual gearbox and of course the steering wheel without any buttons - that's how I like my cars.
What a drive Tiff jeje,i love the POrsche but the F-Type have a some special
Tiff looks a little bit older now, however he still has that energy in himself :)
When you thought Evo video reviews couldn't get any better they oinly go and get Tiff Needell back !!!!
They may not have had the option to test the V8S though I think that puts the price above a base 911 (i dont know prices for each). From what I've read, Jag intends to try and pull clientele from those who would be considering either a Boxster or a 911. The engines for the F-Type are what decide those price ranges and comparisons. I dont see it working as they see it, but they also dont want to release two sport roadsters and have both flop.
Porsche had a significant power to weight advantage. Would have been interesting to see the V8 or spend 1k on the V6 (shortened pulley and remap to 450bhp). I know there's always the argument you can modify the 911, but they're hard to extract power from without spending a hell of a lot as they're N/A
Absolutely great car! i'd wait for the 2014 428i though.
Thanks for being honest, Tiff!
Tiff and Chris Harris need their own show where they just do maaaad skids for 30 minutes.
At 0:28 you can see the standard black calipers of the base 911. So no carbon ceramic brakes in this test.
Tiff could drift a shopping trolley on a carpark at Tesco and I'll watch it all day long. Tiff=teh drift king.
On the other side faster lap times usually means stiffer car which means rougher ride on normal roads. The Jag has a softer ride so it may be easier to live by day to day and therefor compelling for a lot of people.
The thing with Tiff's drifting, is that he does it at the limit of grip. Everyone else just over steers into the corner and punches the throttle. There is a massive difference in skill...
I don't think they were using price as the matching point. It's the performance numbers. The V6S has a supercharged 3.0L V6 engine that bumps the hp from 340-380. The Porsche only had 350hp but since the Jaguar weighs more, it evens out the slight advantage the Jaguar has in horsepower. A track test is obviously comparing performance and in this review, the point was the Jaguar has some work to do it wants to overtake or even match the 911.
Good Test. The new Jag looks and sounds very good - Don´t like the open 911 much for looks, Boxter or Caymen look better and more fresh as open tops. Don´t get me wrong i quite like the new 911/991 with a roof on - one of the best looking Porsches for a long time. In this battle 3 Seconds is quite a difference though. I would like to see a test if either car can loose the other. One will properly be quite happy on any given summer day driving one of these - Think I would take the F for that.
Not at all mate. You have excellent roads near the alps, i imagined you tearing around the streets here in UK, respect for not doing so. I had a Merc SL amg years ago. It wasnt a speed machine but with the roof down cruising at slow speeds at -5 was fun, would be even more fun with the scenery you have around you. Sad to hear the nearest track is 300k away. Anyway have fun
F-type V8 S vs Carrera S is the only way to properly compare these two cars. V6 S is the Boxter/Cayman fighter, and from the looks of it the 911 they had was a standard Carrera with one or two performance options. Not saying this will change the overall out come, but these two cars are on 2 totally different performance levels.
99 percent of people who will buy either of these cars will never drive them in this way , think how u drive every day have u ever found yourself power sliding down the road? Answer No, which car looks and sounds good and makes u smile that's the one u choose
Jaguar F-type has fantastic sleek looks and I am very much interested in owning it once it gets available.....what I am little worried is how much the the brand value gonna deteriorate over the years? Jaguar is still located in UK and made in UK,the only difference is that the owner is Tata Motors meaning they make decisions and provide funds. Ratan Tata is one of the greatest entrepreneurs...if you read about him you will know Jaguar Land Rover are in safest hands or else there would be no JLR
Good point bro!
was the porsche fitted with the carbon ceramic brakes though that cost several thousand pounds?
Tif Needell vs Chris Harris on a 2 or 3 lap battle, that would be an event I'd pay to see
I still feel that the 911 is still holistically more appealing, yet that Jag has got sleek sheetmetal!
Well done Tiff.
what Tiff doing in EVO!!
thumbs up for the E-Type successor !
Great comparison! The Jag looks great and sounds good. Pity the Jag is so heavy and has neither a DC nor a MT. More of a cruiser it seems. What about comparing it against a 981S Boxster? ;) And Tiff, teach me your drifts please! ;)
Most awaited car battle of 2013
Went to check pricing on the Jaguar website and it looks like the F-type V8 S is evenly priced as the Porsche Cabriolet and probably would performe almost as quick as the Porsche if not quicker - just a random observation would love to see them go head to head. This one looks a tad bit out of its depth against the Porsche
I enjoy Tiff's videos, I'm curious though is his name 'Tiff' short for something?
More Tiff!!!
Wow what a nice car the F-type is! Superb looks and style. Love the sound coming from that engine.
It is a more masculine design, and i think that most buyers never comes close to the track and therefore the F-type should be a success.
If i had the money too spend i would buy the 911, partly because of its history and primerly because its a "proper drivers" car. That in my book is key to decide what car to buy.
I think Tiff could squeeze a second out of the Jag with some extra training
thumbs up to have Jay Leno review the new F-Type
everyone is talking about the steering feeling. Just to set the measurement right, is the old, non-assisted steering is the best in this respect?
I read the top five car magazines from the UK, and the top four from the US. Read some german scans also. For me? The prize goes to evo, the most entertaining (the iPad version, wow) of them all. The Tiff column is great, his videos have this enthuasiasm which is good to some RUclipsrs and good for mixing with the other kinds of reviews. Having said that, I'm a geek review fan, such as Jethro's, Dickie's or Harris's, but Henry's... He writes brilliantly, but his video reviews lack something.
I didn't forget. It doesn't change the fact that the GT3 is faster than the V8S, which the other guy doesn't think is true.
I think the Jaguar is an inspiration in automotive design, and definately deserves whatever credit expressed in the comments!
Tiff Needell + Chris Harris + James May = Best Gear
Well hey presto, you just bumped into a 2012 R35 GTR owner who play all COD games in fact ive just maxed all sub, assault and heavy machine guns with diamond camo, whoop. Ofcourse you can keep you foot down longer in a mini or saxo but put your foot down for 2 half seconds in the GTR & your up the arse of another car. The 4wd system keeps the car on the road, Subaru, Lancer, 911 Turbo, GTR. Just because the GTR is the benchmark, everyone hates a winner. MAN UTD for example. MUFC rule :)
Tiff Needell is legend!!
I think price plus options is a bit of an issue. I'm considering a V6 S against a Boxster S or Cayman S plus options because when you finish speccing up a Porsche to a decent level, eg including PASM, infotainment system and decent speakers, leather on dashboard, sport chrono etc, the price of a Porsche becomes a bit nuts. Whereas the Jag comes with a lot of standard stuff - the differential for example is standard. The 911 with decent options is on a totally different planet price-wise..
I hope you realize car comparisons aren't only about price bracket. Also, Jaguar themselves give all journalist the V6S for the track since it's the better track car compared to the V8S. Watch the X-Car FType review, he mentions Jag themselves gave all the journalist the V6S for track review, and V8S for road review. So, to answer your question, no, it's not "fairer", cause the V8S would have done even worse.
Nothing can beat Porsche's dedication for cars perfection, nothing.
For the F-Type V8, a relevant group test should include the Mercedes SLK and SL V8s.