From my own experience, the reason I've been doing the more elbows bent fashion is simply because it's more comfortable. However, I am suffering from the inconsistency issues that you mentioned. About halfway through this video I audibly said "I'm a fucking idiot", because I've tried it the way you are advocating before and it was instantly better... I just didn't stick with it. _sigh_ Now I'm going to.
@@masonlane2030 I went out and yeeted 300 rounds of doubles on my lunch. Instantly WAY more consistent and tighter groups at my medium-well speed. Just gotta get it burned into my brain as the new default way to hold the gun. Thanks for the video man!
I noticed in dryfire this definitely makes transitions easier to pick a spot and the gun arrives more precisely, with less effort. My shoulders seem to roll a bit more forward than when my elbows are bent, looking forward to see the effect on LiveFire if I’m creating tension or just overthinking
@@JustinV911 nope, what you’re describing sounds exactly what I’ve noticed over the years. The more tension you hold in your neck and shoulders, the less precision you have in your index. Some people solve for it through repetition or by simply moving the gun slower, but it’s doubtlessly easier with a less effortful posture.
I have always struggled to be consistent with doubles. I just kept adjusting my grip or squeezing harder and harder. Never once did it occur to me that the problem likely wasn't in my hands or wrists. Your example of what not to do is exactly what I've been doing. Now I've got a lot of work to do, but I'm so stoked. Thanks for this! Can't wait for the follow up.
Great video and explanation, Mason. I have struggled with doubles notably throwing the 2nd shot low and I'm excited to grind in reps doing it the right way.
100% going to experiment with this! I'm B class in CO and have been working on doubles for about a year. At 7yds I'm able to get 90% of doubles in the A zone, BUT, the group usually spread across the WHOLE A zone with a few flyers. I'm gonna try to implement this elbow change and see if I can get closer to a fist size group.
Whenever I watch my video’s, I am always bothered by my shoulders and them being forward so much. When I intentionally try to hold them back, people comment that I look tense. I guess I will try these tips in practice and see what develops
Dude I want to take a class from you so badly… I’m a tall dude and overthink my movements so much trying to squirrel around like a short quick kid when I’m an old beast
I will deffinitly give this a try...naive question are you rotating your elbows to be more up and down? (so the bend is more parralell to the horizon) or dows that not matter?
Most folks I’ve seen when you hyper-extend the arm, the inside of the elbow it will face upward, and when slightly unlocked it will face inward. I don’t exaggerate this motion any more than than what it takes to unlock the elbow
Hey Mason, should I extend my support side arm straighter than my strong side? I've tried perfect triangle/isometric with both arm but oftentimes the sight goes left somehow.
Curious on the thoughts of this too, I too don’t have a perfect triangle with my index so either I keep my strong arm straight and my support arm is still bent a little Or curious to straighten both arms Been playing with both in dryfire but don’t have a solid answer
Hey what's your take on all these sig p320s blowing up and the controversy on the grey guns owner citing bad reloads or whatever. Have you ever had issues with your sigs?
Not quite the opposite, but definitely different. Frank makes things as effortless as possible in many ways which I agree with. But yeah his elbow position definitely is a departure from what I advocate
From my own experience, the reason I've been doing the more elbows bent fashion is simply because it's more comfortable. However, I am suffering from the inconsistency issues that you mentioned. About halfway through this video I audibly said "I'm a fucking idiot", because I've tried it the way you are advocating before and it was instantly better... I just didn't stick with it. _sigh_ Now I'm going to.
LOL!
Good luck and happy training 👍🏻👍🏻
@@masonlane2030 I went out and yeeted 300 rounds of doubles on my lunch. Instantly WAY more consistent and tighter groups at my medium-well speed. Just gotta get it burned into my brain as the new default way to hold the gun. Thanks for the video man!
Very helpful! A wrist lock follow up would be fantastic.
Excellent video. Any chance you’ll be uploading part 2?
Great, part 2 will be helpful
I noticed in dryfire this definitely makes transitions easier to pick a spot and the gun arrives more precisely, with less effort.
My shoulders seem to roll a bit more forward than when my elbows are bent,
looking forward to see the effect on LiveFire if I’m creating tension or just overthinking
@@JustinV911 nope, what you’re describing sounds exactly what I’ve noticed over the years. The more tension you hold in your neck and shoulders, the less precision you have in your index. Some people solve for it through repetition or by simply moving the gun slower, but it’s doubtlessly easier with a less effortful posture.
I have always struggled to be consistent with doubles. I just kept adjusting my grip or squeezing harder and harder. Never once did it occur to me that the problem likely wasn't in my hands or wrists. Your example of what not to do is exactly what I've been doing. Now I've got a lot of work to do, but I'm so stoked. Thanks for this! Can't wait for the follow up.
Great video! Part 2 pls
Thank you. Very well explained.
Definitely helpful. Looking forward to trying it on the range and also Part 2.
Yeah, very good. Agree with below. Wrist Lock video would be helpful. Will never make it to your quality but can always improve.
Great video and explanation, Mason. I have struggled with doubles notably throwing the 2nd shot low and I'm excited to grind in reps doing it the right way.
Hello yes very helpful. I'm guilty of tensing my shoulders and being hunched over sometimes. I'll work on this in dry fire. Thanks
Thanks man, this is exactly the video I needed
Awesome video. Would love a second video
Always great watching and listening.....hopefully learning!😆 Thanks.
100% going to experiment with this! I'm B class in CO and have been working on doubles for about a year. At 7yds I'm able to get 90% of doubles in the A zone, BUT, the group usually spread across the WHOLE A zone with a few flyers. I'm gonna try to implement this elbow change and see if I can get closer to a fist size group.
Doing this will make it possible to focus on grip pressure and wrist lock inputs and dial that group in to what you’re describing
Thanks Mason
Super insightful
Great stuff.
Can we get a part 2 please
Whenever I watch my video’s, I am always bothered by my shoulders and them being forward so much. When I intentionally try to hold them back, people comment that I look tense. I guess I will try these tips in practice and see what develops
Excellent details
Dude I want to take a class from you so badly… I’m a tall dude and overthink my movements so much trying to squirrel around like a short quick kid when I’m an old beast
I keep it pretty simple when it comes to that sort of technique, send me an email
great stuff
I will deffinitly give this a try...naive question are you rotating your elbows to be more up and down? (so the bend is more parralell to the horizon) or dows that not matter?
With my build the inside of my elbows faces up when I’m locked out, and pretty much level with the ground when I’m barely unlocked like I want to be
Are you rotating ur elbows outward in the proper form?
Most folks I’ve seen when you hyper-extend the arm, the inside of the elbow it will face upward, and when slightly unlocked it will face inward. I don’t exaggerate this motion any more than than what it takes to unlock the elbow
@@masonlane2030 gotcha so you want your inside of the elbows facing each other
Hey Mason, should I extend my support side arm straighter than my strong side? I've tried perfect triangle/isometric with both arm but oftentimes the sight goes left somehow.
Curious on the thoughts of this too, I too don’t have a perfect triangle with my index so either I keep my strong arm straight and my support arm is still bent a little
Or curious to straighten both arms
Been playing with both in dryfire but don’t have a solid answer
Hey what's your take on all these sig p320s blowing up and the controversy on the grey guns owner citing bad reloads or whatever. Have you ever had issues with your sigs?
I don’t have much of a take. I’ve blown up 2 and in both cases I was doing sketchy stuff loading the ammo.
So basically the opposite of a Frank Proctor stance?
Not quite the opposite, but definitely different. Frank makes things as effortless as possible in many ways which I agree with. But yeah his elbow position definitely is a departure from what I advocate
I think this is one of those game changer videos for myself and others