@@MwD676 Can't be both. If it's CI then only the batter gets first, runners only advance if forced to by the batter going to first. If it's catchers Balk then all runners advance.
Adam Caldwell I actually like it....they add comedy when they open their mouths instead of what they should do when the rules of the game are applied which is to go to an immediate commercial break.............
If, with runners on base, during the delivery of a pitch the catcher steps out of the catcher's box, on or in front of home plate or comes in contact with the batter or his equipment, it is catcher's interference and a balk. Therefore, the batter goes to first on the interference and the runners advance with the balk.
Read 6.01c and 6.01g again. You're paraphrasing 6.01g to support the enforcement of a balk, but it only says that a balk is charged to the pitcher. The penalty doesn't include advancing the runners (if any).
Alan Hess OBR balks are delayed-dead; if a balk is called and the continuing play allows all runners to advance at least one base, the balk is ignored. But again, read 6.01g and in particular the penalty section - this is CI during a squeeze/steal of Home.
Doug, In this video, the bases were loaded so all runners are forced to advance because the batter is awarded first on the catcher's interference. Consider this scenario; Same play as the video with runners on second and third. The runner at second does not advance on the play. The balk would be enforced because not all runners advanced and he would be awarded third.
Rule 6.01(g): If, with a runner on third base and trying to score by means of a squeeze play or a steal, the catcher or any other fielder steps on, or in front of home base without possession of the ball, or touches the batter or his bat, the pitcher shall be charged with a balk, the batter shall be awarded first base on the interference and the ball is dead.
That is the ML rule and this is an NCAA game. While the rule is similar it is worded differently. The NCAA rule says the batter becomes a runner "If any defensive player interferes with the batter’s swing or prevents the individual from striking at a pitched ball;"
It had nothing to do with catcher interference of the runner. It had everything to do with catcher interference with the pitch and the batter. The problem exists that they had abandoned the field, both teams had. I believe there are rules concerning that. But it's good to see the umpires trying to correct the situation as best as possible. the runner going home should have been called safe
On catcher obstruction with batter, play is dead, batter is awarded first base and all runner return to base occupied before pitch. So unless bases were loaded, run doesn’t score.
wish you played more of this clip. commentators need to study the game more! obvious catcher interference at minimum and umpire called it right away by pointing at it.
The batter was so smart to swing at the pitch. So often batters -- even major league players -- will back out of the box! The batter has a right to swing at the pitcher and the catcher may only come forward to tag the runner after receiving the pitch. He may not step in front of the plate to block the batter's swing.
@@MwD676 Exactly. By rule he has to accept a pitch with at least one foot within the catchers box behind fair territory which is defined as the point of the plate. Even at that point he can't interfere with a batter, legally in his batters box, being able to swing unimpeded at a pitched ball, even on a pitchout. Catcher's move was so aggressively wrong that I'd award the runner 2 runs on the play.
Ok... is it a balk because it didn't cross the plate or is it a balk for trowing to the catcher that isn't in position (in front of the plate instead of in the box... the same as throwing to first when he isn't in position to hold the runner on when you don't step off the rubber)?
My coach from way back in summer travel league (I think 13 and under) said we will never steal home straight like that unless the batter makes a indication (adjust the brim of the helmet) that they got the sign. Thanks, Coach, for not allowing a teammate to swing when another teammate is literally diving for home. That swing made me cringe (for more reasons than that).
jonathan goff One of the terminology oddities in the definitions of OBR; the defense obstructs and the offense interferes, but it's still termed as Catcher's Interference.
the catcher stepped on and in front of home plate during an attempted steal of home; ball is dead, batter awarded 1B, R3 awarded home, any other runner who was stealing on the pitch is awarded the next base, remaining runners return to the base occupied at time of pitch unless forced to advance by batter runner; in this case everyone simply moved up 90 feet, bases still loaded, play ball
@@davej3781 On a play such as this, a balk is called in addition to catcher's interference, so all runners advance anyway. 8.3.p If, on an attempted squeeze play or steal of home plate, the catcher steps on or in front of home plate without possession of the ball or touches the batter or the bat, the pitcher shall be charged with a balk and the catcher with interference. PENALTY-The ball becomes dead, the batter shall be awarded first base on the interference, the run scores and all other runners advance one base.
@@alanhess9306 yes, you're right, my head was probably in NFHS land at the time, and that's the one difference between NFHS and NCAA/OBR: only the runners attempting to advance prior to the obstruction get a base in FED
I agree with you and he did mention CI but he thought it was from blocking the plate! I have to say that I'm not only an Umpire but also an Announcer and there has been times before that they don't know what is going on at the time! I will say there is some that have no idea but we shouldn't go and place blame on them right away!
lol they still got the call wrong. It's a balk for the catcher to be outside of the his allotted box behind the plate when the pitch leaves the pitchers hand. All runners should be awarded a base and the balk is actually charged to the pitcher believe it or not which even makes it an earned run against.
It’s funny when you go to the comment section for the answer and then you leave the comment section more confused than you were when you first got here.. 😂
rule 7.o7 what I called the james bond rule.Catcher is front of plate before ball if yes enforce rule 7.07 -balk and catchers interference. ouch. now rule 6.01g
This is catcher obstruction -- aka catcher interference in college and pro -- the runner from 3rd shall be awarded home and the batter awarded 1st. All other runners shall be advanced if they were stealing or forced (by the advance of the batter runner). Rational: The batter is entitled to hit any legally pitched ball and the pitch does not end until it has completely crossed THE ENTIRETY of home plate. Obviously that did not happen.
How in the world was the catcher so far up in front of home plate when he caught that pitch? And the batter swung too, and didnt hit him in the head! Seriously, when did the catcher move up in front of the plate? This is crazy looking. EDIT ok i see, the catcher got up, ran around the swing and popped back down in front of the plate to catch the pitch🤯. He wasnt blocking the plate before he had possession of the ball, but did he give the runner any clear path to the plate once he had possession? Umpire seems to think there was no obstruction. If there were, runner would be safe anyway, right? Why are they fighting? Because the catcher got in the guys face after the play?
thanks for the comments, y'all. at least the nfl puts a rules consultant on standby with the announcers in the booth. when will any level of baseball do the same thing? i'll volunteer, just pay my travel and per diem. one simple statement from those of us who know the rules would keep a lot of uninformed chatter off the airwaves.
Finally the batter did something smart, TRIED TO OFFER ON THE PITCH. That's catchers interference plain and simple. These announcers don't know diddly!!!
My instinct before reading thru the comments is that the catcher committed obstruction. The batter was actually heady enough to purposely swing in such a way as to miss the catcher BUT... Had he taken a normal swing at the ball the catcher would not only have blocked his swing... But the catcher might have been seriously injured.
Why didn't he allow the run to score? I didn't get the names of the players there but it looks like he sent the runner back to third and the same batter returned to the plate
Harrison Young I'm not fully versed in NCAA case-play, but there were two infractions by F2: a Catcher's Balk (when he went in front of the plate before the release of the pitch) and also Catcher's Interference - blocking the batter from a legal strike at the pitched ball. CI must have been ruled to take precedence and the offensive manager given the option to take the result of the play or to put the batter on 1B and other runners return TOP unless forced.
I'm not familiar with NCAA at all but the balk has to take precedence because there's no option there. Otherwise the BR would take 2nd as well if the CI is enforced first. The mechanic for this play is "That's a balk. That's interference". You move the runners, then send the BR to first. So R3 has to score on the play, regardless of the option by the manager, since the BR did not take first on the play and all other runners did not advance one base.
Harrison Young I do know that NFHS is different in that all balks are immediate dead ball. OBR and NCAA use a delayed-dead in which if a balk is committed and the runners all advance at least one base, you ignore the balk and take the outcome of the play. Thus, there IS the "option" for how to address the Catcher's Balk. At the end of the video, when they bring all the players back out, it is a different batter at the plate; #3 was the batter at the time of the play at the plate. I'm having to assume that the ruling was that the CI took precedence over the balk. Which makes sense, really. The outcome benefits the offensive team. "Screw them that screwed up."
My main problem with the play is that the runner returned to third. The catcher "cheated" in order to get him at the plate, so why send him back? I'm not familiar with any of the US specific rule sets (NCAA, FED, etc.) but I guess that could be the reason.
Harrison Young There's missing info from the video: we start with bases loaded, 2 out, 6-4 score and #3 at-bat. After the play, still bases loaded, 2 out and same score and a new batter. TV scoring not always current, right? CI still makes sense as the determined call; runner scores (forced home), batter to 1B, ignore the Catcher's Balk. We can't really tell what runners are where pre- and post-play.
Kudos to the catcher. Even though he committed the interference and doesn't particularly liek the call, it appears that when it is expained to him by the umpire, he has accepted that what he did was not acceptable. No doubt ht will not do that again.
no.the key was the catcher made contact with home plate on a pitched ball. resulting in a balk. since the batter made an swung at the pitch, catcher's interference was added.
trump rocks "....please read ur NFHS rulebook"....well let's all fluff your feathers!!!!.....this wasnt catchers interference but a catchers balk..do you know what that is? I DOUBT IT!!!!!... (psst..hint, hint..the catchers balk is actually charged to the pitcher....)
steve jones i see your ego is so big you have to try to belittle people to make yourself look like a big man. i only repeated what umpire from va. commented. and i doubt you can ever get one over on me when it comes to the nfhs rules.
R-3 was not placed back on the third base. The broadcaster is dazed and confused. R-3 scores on catcher interference. It’s an illegal pitch because of the catcher’s illegal action. It’s a balk since an illegal pitch with runners on is a balk.
I got the chance to meet the home plate umpire, Jason, and we talked about this play. Until he saw the video, he had no idea the batter swung. There was simply too much going on for him to see it.
Someone would have to explain why the runner on third does not get home on the catcher moving out of the box and moved forward and interfered with the batter that clearly swung the bat. Umpire never called the runner on third out, he was signaling the interference in my opinion.
The runner scored, all other runners advanced, the batter was awarded 1st base. Don't listen to the announcer, he's confused AF because he doesn't know the rules. Yes, I know he said Morales was back on 3B... He wasn't. At the very end he finally noticed the batter was at 1st base.
The catcher was out of his box when the pitch was released, so it is a balk... Had the catcher still been in his box when the pitch was released, but caught the ball in the batter's way, it would have been catcher obstruction... Delayed dead ball and batter gets 1B (or the result of the play if the batter put the ball in play). The runner stealing home is irrelevant. In fastpitch softball at all levels it would be called illegal pitch instead of balk, or catcher obstruction. Softball recognizes interference as being committed only by a member of the offense (dead ball), and obstruction being committed only by a member of the defense (delayed dead ball). 🤔
It's in the rule. RULE 8 Base Running Section 2(e)(2) Exception-If there is catcher’s interference on a squeeze play or a steal of home, the batter is awarded first base, the run scores and all other runners advance one base on the balk created by the interference.
The way I see it, this is not interference on the catchers part. The catcher already had the ball in his glove when the runner started his slide so the catcher has just as much right to the plate as the runner does. Bad call.
The catcher interference was not interference with the runner. It was interference with the batter and his right to swing at a pitch. The catcher stepped in front of the batter and prevented him from attempting to hit a pitched ball. Bad comment.
@@patcon314 Phantom, after you made your post, I went back and watched this again and I saw something I did not notice the first time. In the first two seconds of the video, the ball was barely out of the pitchers hand when the catcher jumped out of his box and was over the plate and he did interfere with the batter while he was swinging. There is no way the home plate umpire should miss seeing this and immediately should have called interference on the catcher. He should have called the runner safe. There is now way to know what the batter may have done with the pitch because he too was interfered with. What is really puzzling is why he sent the runner back to third base, but did not allow the batter to finish his turn at at bat. To me, this is bad umpiring. I will admit, I am not a rules expert, but that is the way I see it. As far as the announcers are concerned, they evidently didn't notice the catcher interference or wouldn't know interference if they did see it.
@@Eddie_Schantz he did immediately call interference on the catcher, and then called time in order to award home but had to break up the fight before finishing all the mechanics and awards. PU did everything correctly here. Also, they did not send R3 back to 3B, instead all runners were awarded 1 base and the batter was awarded 1st. This is correct for all rulesets when the catcher steps on or in front of home plate and/or interferes with the batter with a runner stealing home (different wording in different books, but it all means the same thing). This was excellent umpiring, which you would know if you had any knowledge of the rules.
@@Eddie_Schantz thanks for being polite and letting my ill-considered parting shot slide. here's the NCAA rule for your reading pleasure: NCAA 8-3p: If, on an attempted squeeze play or steal of home plate, the catcher steps on or in front of home plate without possession of the ball or touches the batter or the bat, the pitcher shall be charged with a balk and the catcher with interference. *PENALTY-The ball becomes dead, the batter shall be awarded first base on the* *interference, the run scores and all other runners advance one base.* The OBR (MLB) rule 6.01(g) is exactly the same. In high school (NFHS), there's no balk charged to the pitcher, and only runners stealing on the pitch are awarded the next base, as well as any forced to advance by the batter being placed on 1B.
@@alanhess9306 If this were an NFHS game, I believe we'd have to eject R3 and rule him out, no run scoring, for the malicious contact. MC supersedes everything in high school. I know NCAA has an MC rule, but I don't know how it should be interpreted in this situation.
I really believe that if you are a MLB or College announcer you should have to take and pass the same written exam that the Umpires do, or at least be provided with a rule book. It's embarrassing how some of these announcers talk and have no clue of the rules. Unreal.
jereme edwards, The batter has a right to stay in the box. He was deprived of an opportunity to hit the ball when the catcher goes out in front of the plate. Catcher interference.
It wasn’t a pitchout, but a pitch. Any batter has the right to swing at a pitch and if the catcher interferes with the ability of the batter it’s catchers interference. Any pitch that fails to cross the the foul lines of first or third base lines with runners on base it is a balk. But with no runners on base and the all not crossing the lines it’s simply “No pitch”. This was a straight steal and the pitcher didn’t throw the ball to a spot where an argument for a pitchout could have been made. CI, batter awarded first: Balk, move up 1 base if already on base.
@@billallan7126 What we need to know is whether or not the pitcher stepped off the rubber before throwing home. He is now an infielder, so the throw is not a pitch. If the ball is delivered from the rubber, it is a pitch. Even on a pitchout, a batter has the right to attempt to hit a pitch. Your last sentence is absolutely correct.
Your comments are all wrong they called none of these, the umpires made a mistake they sent runner back to third base and then the next batter in the lineup bat. If it was interference by the catcher the runner on third base would have been aloud to score and the batter would have went to first base. There was no interference and the runner was out.
The umpires did not make any mistakes. They did not put the runner back on third. The batter was awarded first on the CI which forced all runner to advance. Try to pay attention.
one of these days, someone will get the bright idea that baseball announcers ought to attend a rules clinic every few years
On a play like this I can't really fault people for not knowing the rule since this is a very rare play. But the announcers are another story.
As a plate umpire, this keeps me going, I know the rules and just smile when everyone else is confused and heckling. 😂😂😂😂
Announcer is clueless - never watches umpire call interference; never signals out; but announcer just keeps making things up as he goes along.
Yup, typical idiot announcers.
@@alanhess9306 Bring on the robo announcers.
Catchers balk. He came out of the catchers box. Runners advance.
Plus CI, batter awarded 1st.
@@MwD676 Can't be both. If it's CI then only the batter gets first, runners only advance if forced to by the batter going to first. If it's catchers Balk then all runners advance.
@@smudent2010 No, it is both. CI and a balk is called on this play.
Amazing job by the umpires. Announcers who never even bother reading a rulebook about the game they're covering really leave the viewers in the dark.
Adam Caldwell I actually like it....they add comedy when they open their mouths instead of what they should do when the rules of the game are applied which is to go to an immediate commercial break.............
Agree. This was CLEARLY a case of catcher interference!
The interference, from what I can see, was with the batter. Shouldn’t the run score and the batter be awarded first base?
Larry Quimby No. The rule says it’s a delayed dead ball. After time is called the batter gets first and the runners return.
From the graphic in the lower right corner, it looks like the bases are loaded. If the batter gets first, then the run would be forced in.
If, with runners on base, during the delivery of a pitch the catcher steps out of the catcher's box, on or in front of home plate or comes in contact with the batter or his equipment, it is catcher's interference and a balk. Therefore, the batter goes to first on the interference and the runners advance with the balk.
Read 6.01c and 6.01g again. You're paraphrasing 6.01g to support the enforcement of a balk, but it only says that a balk is charged to the pitcher. The penalty doesn't include advancing the runners (if any).
Doug, the penalty for any balk is to advance the runners one base.
Alan Hess OBR balks are delayed-dead; if a balk is called and the continuing play allows all runners to advance at least one base, the balk is ignored. But again, read 6.01g and in particular the penalty section - this is CI during a squeeze/steal of Home.
Doug, In this video, the bases were loaded so all runners are forced to advance because the batter is awarded first on the catcher's interference.
Consider this scenario;
Same play as the video with runners on second and third. The runner at second does not advance on the play. The balk would be enforced because not all runners advanced and he would be awarded third.
Doug, check out this conversation;
umpire-empire.com/index.php?/topic/67666-attempted-steal-of-home-catchers-interference/
Rule 6.01(g): If, with a runner on third base and trying to score by means of a squeeze play or a steal, the catcher or any other fielder steps on, or in front of home base without possession of the ball, or touches the batter or his bat, the pitcher shall be charged with a balk, the batter shall be awarded first base on the interference and the ball is dead.
That is the ML rule and this is an NCAA game. While the rule is similar it is worded differently. The NCAA rule says the batter becomes a runner "If any defensive player interferes with the batter’s swing or prevents the individual from striking at a pitched ball;"
It's rare to see a stop action recreation of a play like this. Very creative work.
It had nothing to do with catcher interference of the runner. It had everything to do with catcher interference with the pitch and the batter.
The problem exists that they had abandoned the field, both teams had. I believe there are rules concerning that. But it's good to see the umpires trying to correct the situation as best as possible.
the runner going home should have been called safe
On catcher obstruction with batter, play is dead, batter is awarded first base and all runner return to base occupied before pitch. So unless bases were loaded, run doesn’t score.
wish you played more of this clip. commentators need to study the game more! obvious catcher interference at minimum and umpire called it right away by pointing at it.
That's the end of the play. The next hitter simply comes up to hit.
The runners should have all advanced as well.
You are correct. They did advance, but the bases were still loaded b/c the batter runner was awarded first base.
Wow. I learned a lot since first commenting on this video!!!!
The batter was so smart to swing at the pitch. So often batters -- even major league players -- will back out of the box! The batter has a right to swing at the pitcher and the catcher may only come forward to tag the runner after receiving the pitch. He may not step in front of the plate to block the batter's swing.
Wouldn’t matter. As soon as the catcher steps on or in front of the plate (on a steal of home), the penalty is CI + balk.
@@MwD676 Exactly. By rule he has to accept a pitch with at least one foot within the catchers box behind fair territory which is defined as the point of the plate. Even at that point he can't interfere with a batter, legally in his batters box, being able to swing unimpeded at a pitched ball, even on a pitchout. Catcher's move was so aggressively wrong that I'd award the runner 2 runs on the play.
This is the reason why umpires need microphones
Amen! Or at the very least, signals for what they called. All we have is "point and yell".
Ok... is it a balk because it didn't cross the plate or is it a balk for trowing to the catcher that isn't in position (in front of the plate instead of in the box... the same as throwing to first when he isn't in position to hold the runner on when you don't step off the rubber)?
Interference for stepping on the plate, and a balk is also called because it was a squeeze play.
My coach from way back in summer travel league (I think 13 and under) said we will never steal home straight like that unless the batter makes a indication (adjust the brim of the helmet) that they got the sign. Thanks, Coach, for not allowing a teammate to swing when another teammate is literally diving for home. That swing made me cringe (for more reasons than that).
We were taught to swing "slow and high" (to keep catcher down and back) and runner slide between hitters legs!
Thr batter knew exactly what was happening and in no way was going to hit anyone with the bat.
announcer says "you understand the rule..."
No, you clearly don't
Cathcher's interference batter to first...Dead ball
Rule 6.08 catchers interference. And it's not a dead ball if it was batted, in this case it was. But it's not automatic.
jonathan goff One of the terminology oddities in the definitions of OBR; the defense obstructs and the offense interferes, but it's still termed as Catcher's Interference.
superchief77 You have a batted ball? Er, no.
Sorry meant to say wasn't.
superchief77 Understood. Just clarifying positions.
Great job! I do have to say, Adam, it could be that the Announcer didn't know that there was CI! There are some announcers who do know Baseball Rules!
some?
What was the ruling. I see a different batter when they retake the field and the score is the same.
the catcher stepped on and in front of home plate during an attempted steal of home; ball is dead, batter awarded 1B, R3 awarded home, any other runner who was stealing on the pitch is awarded the next base, remaining runners return to the base occupied at time of pitch unless forced to advance by batter runner; in this case everyone simply moved up 90 feet, bases still loaded, play ball
@@davej3781 On a play such as this, a balk is called in addition to catcher's interference, so all runners advance anyway.
8.3.p If, on an attempted squeeze play or steal of home plate, the catcher steps on
or in front of home plate without possession of the ball or touches the batter or the bat, the pitcher shall be charged with a balk and the catcher with interference.
PENALTY-The ball becomes dead, the batter shall be awarded first base on the
interference, the run scores and all other runners advance one base.
@@alanhess9306 yes, you're right, my head was probably in NFHS land at the time, and that's the one difference between NFHS and NCAA/OBR: only the runners attempting to advance prior to the obstruction get a base in FED
hard to believe the announcers, after seeing this in slow mo still didn't understand the play. it was so damn obviously catcher interference.
I agree with you and he did mention CI but he thought it was from blocking the plate! I have to say that I'm not only an Umpire but also an Announcer and there has been times before that they don't know what is going on at the time! I will say there is some that have no idea but we shouldn't go and place blame on them right away!
It was catcher obstruction with batter that is called, not with runner. Batter gets first, runners return to base occupied at time o& pitch.
lol they still got the call wrong. It's a balk for the catcher to be outside of the his allotted box behind the plate when the pitch leaves the pitchers hand. All runners should be awarded a base and the balk is actually charged to the pitcher believe it or not which even makes it an earned run against.
It’s funny when you go to the comment section for the answer and then you leave the comment section more confused than you were when you first got here.. 😂
Ain't the Internet great! :-) Thanks for being here!
this is why i steal home from time to time when the pitcher has a long windup, because most catchers don't know this rule and commit interreference
rule 7.o7 what I called the james bond rule.Catcher is front of plate before ball if yes enforce rule 7.07 -balk and catchers interference. ouch. now rule 6.01g
The Balk is the correct call. Good job by the umpires.
It was so funny listening to the announcers be absolutely clueless to the rules of baseball
This is catcher obstruction -- aka catcher interference in college and pro -- the runner from 3rd shall be awarded home and the batter awarded 1st. All other runners shall be advanced if they were stealing or forced (by the advance of the batter runner).
Rational: The batter is entitled to hit any legally pitched ball and the pitch does not end until it has completely crossed THE ENTIRETY of home plate. Obviously that did not happen.
Under NCAA and ML rules, a balk is also charged to the pitcher, so all runners advance.
How in the world was the catcher so far up in front of home plate when he caught that pitch? And the batter swung too, and didnt hit him in the head! Seriously, when did the catcher move up in front of the plate? This is crazy looking. EDIT ok i see, the catcher got up, ran around the swing and popped back down in front of the plate to catch the pitch🤯. He wasnt blocking the plate before he had possession of the ball, but did he give the runner any clear path to the plate once he had possession? Umpire seems to think there was no obstruction. If there were, runner would be safe anyway, right? Why are they fighting? Because the catcher got in the guys face after the play?
thanks for the comments, y'all. at least the nfl puts a rules consultant on standby with the announcers in the booth. when will any level of baseball do the same thing? i'll volunteer, just pay my travel and per diem. one simple statement from those of us who know the rules would keep a lot of uninformed chatter off the airwaves.
Not a popular call. But a correct call
Finally the batter did something smart, TRIED TO OFFER ON THE PITCH. That's catchers interference plain and simple. These announcers don't know diddly!!!
swinging at the pitch makes no difference here
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES THE ANNOUNCERS DON'T HAVE A CLUE REGARDING THEIR DISCOURSE!!!!!!! AND THEY MISLEAD THE UNFORTUNATE VIEWERS....
Catcher's interference, batter get's 1st forces runner from home to score.
My instinct before reading thru the comments is that the catcher committed obstruction. The batter was actually heady enough to purposely swing in such a way as to miss the catcher BUT... Had he taken a normal swing at the ball the catcher would not only have blocked his swing... But the catcher might have been seriously injured.
that was a very quick brained play by the batter. Never seen that before. Maybe because the catcher screwed up a good play.
Why didn't he allow the run to score? I didn't get the names of the players there but it looks like he sent the runner back to third and the same batter returned to the plate
Harrison Young I'm not fully versed in NCAA case-play, but there were two infractions by F2: a Catcher's Balk (when he went in front of the plate before the release of the pitch) and also Catcher's Interference - blocking the batter from a legal strike at the pitched ball. CI must have been ruled to take precedence and the offensive manager given the option to take the result of the play or to put the batter on 1B and other runners return TOP unless forced.
I'm not familiar with NCAA at all but the balk has to take precedence because there's no option there. Otherwise the BR would take 2nd as well if the CI is enforced first. The mechanic for this play is "That's a balk. That's interference". You move the runners, then send the BR to first. So R3 has to score on the play, regardless of the option by the manager, since the BR did not take first on the play and all other runners did not advance one base.
Harrison Young I do know that NFHS is different in that all balks are immediate dead ball. OBR and NCAA use a delayed-dead in which if a balk is committed and the runners all advance at least one base, you ignore the balk and take the outcome of the play. Thus, there IS the "option" for how to address the Catcher's Balk.
At the end of the video, when they bring all the players back out, it is a different batter at the plate; #3 was the batter at the time of the play at the plate. I'm having to assume that the ruling was that the CI took precedence over the balk. Which makes sense, really. The outcome benefits the offensive team. "Screw them that screwed up."
My main problem with the play is that the runner returned to third. The catcher "cheated" in order to get him at the plate, so why send him back? I'm not familiar with any of the US specific rule sets (NCAA, FED, etc.) but I guess that could be the reason.
Harrison Young There's missing info from the video: we start with bases loaded, 2 out, 6-4 score and #3 at-bat. After the play, still bases loaded, 2 out and same score and a new batter. TV scoring not always current, right? CI still makes sense as the determined call; runner scores (forced home), batter to 1B, ignore the Catcher's Balk. We can't really tell what runners are where pre- and post-play.
by rule in NCAA it is rule 8.3.p.
Catchers Balk, run scores
Announcers should need to pass a rule book test. Good lord. "What is he supposed to do" - Answer "catch the pitch in foul territory"
Kudos to the catcher. Even though he committed the interference and doesn't particularly liek the call, it appears that when it is expained to him by the umpire, he has accepted that what he did was not acceptable. No doubt ht will not do that again.
Catcher interference by moving up out of catchers box . Also a catchers balk .
There was no reason at all for the benches to clear
Ah… you discount the egos of teenage boys
catcher's balk all runners advance one base
More like a lot of confusion in the announcer's booth.
I thought it was against NCAA rules to swing when a runner attempts to steal home
What??? It's not even illegal to do that in Bronco, Babe Ruth, Senior Little League, Legion, or High School. Why would it be illegal to do in college?
Gabriel Perez where is that a rule anywhere?
Great call, the catcher interfered with the batter. If it was a pitch out, the play would have been legal.
no.the key was the catcher made contact with home plate on a pitched ball. resulting in a balk. since the batter made an swung at the pitch, catcher's interference was added.
@@benramos3465 The swing doesn't matter. It is catcher's interference because he went out in front of the plate.
The batter should have swung and hit the catcher so there wouldn't be any confusion with the catcher interference.
on catchers interference, if a runner is advancing on the pitch he can. on this play batter to first, run scores
UMPIRE VA I agree, but why did they put the runner back on third?
Not sure
UMPIRE VA College/pro rules maybe....im more familiar with nfhs rules.
trump rocks "....please read ur NFHS rulebook"....well let's all fluff your feathers!!!!.....this wasnt catchers interference but a catchers balk..do you know what that is? I DOUBT IT!!!!!... (psst..hint, hint..the catchers balk is actually charged to the pitcher....)
steve jones i see your ego is so big you have to try to belittle people to make yourself look like a big man. i only repeated what umpire from va. commented. and i doubt you can ever get one over on me when it comes to the nfhs rules.
So why did the runner get placed back at 3b? A balk advances the runner.
R-3 was not placed back on the third base. The broadcaster is dazed and confused. R-3 scores on catcher interference. It’s an illegal pitch because of the catcher’s illegal action. It’s a balk since an illegal pitch with runners on is a balk.
I think the announcer may have mistaken a strike signal for an out call. The batter did swing. But the catcher’s interference nullifies the play.
I got the chance to meet the home plate umpire, Jason, and we talked about this play. Until he saw the video, he had no idea the batter swung. There was simply too much going on for him to see it.
Garrett Webster Yes, on plays like that, the catcher and batter can block an umpire out.
Why are announcers so clueless of the rules?
Catcher is lucky he didn't get hit in the head.
It's NOT interference; it's obstruction. Defense obstructs, offense interferes.
rapid13 it’s not obstruction of the plate, it’s interfering with the batter
Someone would have to explain why the runner on third does not get home on the catcher moving out of the box and moved forward and interfered with the batter that clearly swung the bat. Umpire never called the runner on third out, he was signaling the interference in my opinion.
The runner scored, all other runners advanced, the batter was awarded 1st base. Don't listen to the announcer, he's confused AF because he doesn't know the rules. Yes, I know he said Morales was back on 3B... He wasn't. At the very end he finally noticed the batter was at 1st base.
The catcher was out of his box when the pitch was released, so it is a balk... Had the catcher still been in his box when the pitch was released, but caught the ball in the batter's way, it would have been catcher obstruction... Delayed dead ball and batter gets 1B (or the result of the play if the batter put the ball in play). The runner stealing home is irrelevant. In fastpitch softball at all levels it would be called illegal pitch instead of balk, or catcher obstruction. Softball recognizes interference as being committed only by a member of the offense (dead ball), and obstruction being committed only by a member of the defense (delayed dead ball). 🤔
please learn the rules before commenting
Where's the balk?
It's in the rule.
RULE 8
Base Running
Section 2(e)(2)
Exception-If there is catcher’s interference on a squeeze play or a steal of home, the batter is awarded first base, the run scores and all other runners advance one base on the balk created by the interference.
The way I see it, this is not interference on the catchers part. The catcher already had the ball in his glove when the runner started his slide so the catcher
has just as much right to the plate as the runner does. Bad call.
The catcher interference was not interference with the runner. It was interference with the batter and his right to swing at a pitch. The catcher stepped in front of the batter and prevented him from attempting to hit a pitched ball. Bad comment.
@@patcon314 Phantom, after you made your post, I went back and watched this again and I saw something I did not notice the first time.
In the first two seconds of the video, the ball was barely out of the pitchers hand when the catcher jumped out of his box and was over the plate and
he did interfere with the batter while he was swinging. There is no way the home plate umpire should miss seeing this and immediately should have
called interference on the catcher. He should have called the runner safe. There is now way to know what the batter may have done with the pitch
because he too was interfered with. What is really puzzling is why he sent the runner back to third base, but did not allow the batter to finish his
turn at at bat. To me, this is bad umpiring. I will admit, I am not a rules expert, but that is the way I see it. As far as the announcers are concerned, they evidently didn't notice the catcher interference or wouldn't know interference if they did see it.
@@Eddie_Schantz he did immediately call interference on the catcher, and then called time in order to award home but had to break up the fight before finishing all the mechanics and awards. PU did everything correctly here. Also, they did not send R3 back to 3B, instead all runners were awarded 1 base and the batter was awarded 1st. This is correct for all rulesets when the catcher steps on or in front of home plate and/or interferes with the batter with a runner stealing home (different wording in different books, but it all means the same thing).
This was excellent umpiring, which you would know if you had any knowledge of the rules.
@@davej3781 Thanks for your reply too. I can't argue with that.
@@Eddie_Schantz thanks for being polite and letting my ill-considered parting shot slide.
here's the NCAA rule for your reading pleasure:
NCAA 8-3p:
If, on an attempted squeeze play or steal of home plate, the catcher steps on
or in front of home plate without possession of the ball or touches the batter
or the bat, the pitcher shall be charged with a balk and the catcher with
interference.
*PENALTY-The ball becomes dead, the batter shall be awarded first base on the*
*interference, the run scores and all other runners advance one base.*
The OBR (MLB) rule 6.01(g) is exactly the same. In high school (NFHS), there's no balk charged to the pitcher, and only runners stealing on the pitch are awarded the next base, as well as any forced to advance by the batter being placed on 1B.
You should NOT be able to come into the plate with your shoulder to bowl over the catcher. I know its allowed but it is TOO dangerous.
Rusty Beedle pussy
It is never legal to bowl over the catcher.
@@alanhess9306 If this were an NFHS game, I believe we'd have to eject R3 and rule him out, no run scoring, for the malicious contact. MC supersedes everything in high school. I know NCAA has an MC rule, but I don't know how it should be interpreted in this situation.
Epileptic seizure from watching this flickering video
I really believe that if you are a MLB or College announcer you should have to take and pass the same written exam that the Umpires do, or at least be provided with a rule book. It's embarrassing how some of these announcers talk and have no clue of the rules. Unreal.
If you're gonna be a television announcer, please have some thought about the rules....
Batter interference too
There was no batter interference he didnt have an opportunity to leave the batter's box
jereme edwards, The batter has a right to stay in the box. He was deprived of an opportunity to hit the ball when the catcher goes out in front of the plate. Catcher interference.
The U
That is not Miami!
It wasn’t a pitchout, but a pitch. Any batter has the right to swing at a pitch and if the catcher interferes with the ability of the batter it’s catchers interference. Any pitch that fails to cross the the foul lines of first or third base lines with runners on base it is a balk. But with no runners on base and the all not crossing the lines it’s simply “No pitch”. This was a straight steal and the pitcher didn’t throw the ball to a spot where an argument for a pitchout could have been made. CI, batter awarded first: Balk, move up 1 base if already on base.
@@billallan7126 What we need to know is whether or not the pitcher stepped off the rubber before throwing home. He is now an infielder, so the throw is not a pitch. If the ball is delivered from the rubber, it is a pitch. Even on a pitchout, a batter has the right to attempt to hit a pitch. Your last sentence is absolutely correct.
Your comments are all wrong they called none of these, the umpires made a mistake they sent runner back to third base and then the next batter in the lineup bat. If it was interference by the catcher the runner on third base would have been aloud to score and the batter would have went to first base. There was no interference and the runner was out.
The umpires did not make any mistakes. They did not put the runner back on third. The batter was awarded first on the CI which forced all runner to advance. Try to pay attention.
He's slow AF
I think you have to throw the guy stealing home out of the game for the way he slid into the catcher. Could be consider malicious.
LOL at the Description. No such thing as Catcher Interference.
OBR 6.01(c) - Catcher Interference
NCAA 8-2e - Catcher's Interference
this annoucers.... is not bright
The benches clear? Geez. Baseball is as bad as soccer. Sissy stuff.
this is the worst quality video ever
It might have been a great job by the umpire, but the announcer sure left us in the dark.