Tom absolutely hit the nail on the head with his comment on how these comics inspire a certain type of kid to really, really want to do anything to be on the inside of understanding the billions of characters and plot points. I started just after the Siege Perilous biz and I was absolutely desperate to be cool enough to be in the know.
Ed, Jim, Tom... I really...God, I came into X-MEN just after Inferno, and holy shit, 1989-90 was a strange time for me. Reading a team book that soon had no team...I somehow still hung in there. Bold of me to let that be my entry into X-MEN Fandom.
This was my introduction to XMen. I read these not knowing much about any of them. Loved getting to know that world. They're still some of my favorite 3 issues.
Always loved Jim Lee's art in these (even though I'm much more of a Silvestri guy), because his characters are very expressive here. Later on their faces would have all the same stoic expression, all the time. On Jubilee's costume, I always read that as her wanting to look like Carrie Kelley, to have her own superhero costume. And Claremont seemed pretty clear to me then as he does now... There's a lot of stuff happening, but it's clear enough to me. Then again, I had been reading past X-Men issues, so...
Before you read these. Read the Captain Britain comics from the early to mid 80s by Alan Moore, Alan Davis, & Jamie Delano. It makes Psylocke a lot more understandable.
Thanks gents for a 3-ish time machine goodness. Silvestri and Lee xmen art then was so good for me. Claremont's run was where and when i started reading xmen. Heaven for the young kid i was then. Heaven still for the old kid i see reflected in the mirror. Be safe. Mabuhay!
I did blown up color copies back in the days of those covers and put them to my wall. This was his best art ever! Not the cleaned up style he now has and everything looks the same.
You can say all you want about Claremont but he is responsible for some of the best and most iconic comics and characters ever. This era is his downfall but I love all his 80s run in the x universe
As sloppy and disjointed as Claremont’s writing is in these issues, what comes in the few years after he leaves is, at its best, only about half as good. When the art is good, it’s fantastic, but when it’s poor, the comics are unreadable.
Man even as a kid I understood all the body swapping of Psylocke to make her an elite assassin! You guys were just slow nose pickers! Ninjas were all the rage, cmon. Making Betsy into a tool of the Hand was awesome…even if it was Frank’s idea 1st lol
At the time these were out, maybe just a little while later, there was a Captain Britain trade featuring stories from the 1985 Captain Britain Weekly by Alan Davis and Jamie Delano, and while they didn't show up often, Captain Britain's siblings did appear in the book, as did Meggan, who was in Excalibur with Captain Britain.
I have this issues in my own language (Dutch) and it’s such a strange story. For years I thought that they made some mistakes with the translation or something. But no it’s just so strange 😆
This was after my time, so I had a bias against it as "not my comics". But I do remember being amazed how many X-titles, Bat-titles, etc. were out there. The only place to see X-Men other than their one title was the occasional cameo or Team-Up/2-in-1 guest-starring. That said, DC was on their way towards that for years already with Batman and Superman titles.
I'm still partial to the Paul Smith X-Men run. Since you have me geeking, how about the Pinis' ElfQuest, Cerebus the Aardvark, or Bob Layton's Iron Man? Perhaps you've already touched on these and I've missed it-Please forgive.
People talk about how this is Claremont in his down years on X-Men, but I started reading at the end of The Fall of the Mutants and never had a problem with his writing. I always wondered if Silvestri (whom I was a big fan) felt threatened by Jim Lee's three issues on the book. It's competition people.
But now that you have time and you read his other works, how do they compare? Compare to the best, The Dark Phoenix Sage, these "dead" X-Men issues in the Outback and these whole Siege Perilous thing are dreadful, personally. I just bought them for the art -whether Silvestri or Lee.
I enjoyed this run at the time, but unlike Byrne's/Claremont's, it's not one I've revisited with much, if any pleasure. I was taken in by Lee's 'cool' X-men but looking back, in my opinion, that's all it was. Where as John Byrne drew 'people' Lee's characters were just cool, a bit over stylized and soulless. That said, (despite my misgivings about what was done to Betsy Braddock) no one has bettered his rendering of Psylocke.
Lol so true. Claremont after awhile was just awful, the writing He's done post Byrne and into the 90's was hard to read. His sequel to God Loves Man Kills is some of the worst stuff I've ever laid my eyes on.
I went back and reread the X-Men Claremont era... I started with GSX, which I know isn't his... it was still awful. I moved on to X-Men 94 and by the time I got to 104 I needed a break. A month long break... by the time I was finished, it took me almost 6 months to read up to 143. I cheated, after stopping at 105, I immediately skipped and read DOFP, 141, 142. It was good. I enjoyed it. Then went back to 105. Even The Dark Phoenix Saga didn't live up to any memory I have. It was pretty bad.
@@roymakescomics They totally lost control and fanboyed out on that one. Very brave talk on this vid but all that was missing in the shoot interview. Claremont just opined, at one point just retelling some 90s FF story he wrote
Tom absolutely hit the nail on the head with his comment on how these comics inspire a certain type of kid to really, really want to do anything to be on the inside of understanding the billions of characters and plot points. I started just after the Siege Perilous biz and I was absolutely desperate to be cool enough to be in the know.
The best run of comics for me. My favorite artist drawing the story where my favorite character becomes an ass kicking ninja! Gotta love it.
The craziness of Claremont was the X-Men though and the magic left when he left.
Agreed. Well said...!!
Ed, Jim, Tom...
I really...God, I came into X-MEN just after Inferno, and holy shit, 1989-90 was a strange time for me. Reading a team book that soon had no team...I somehow still hung in there. Bold of me to let that be my entry into X-MEN Fandom.
This was my introduction to XMen. I read these not knowing much about any of them. Loved getting to know that world. They're still some of my favorite 3 issues.
Out of that run, I think the Wolverine, Cap and Black Widow issue is the best. But ninjas are pretty cool with these 3 issues.
Always loved Jim Lee's art in these (even though I'm much more of a Silvestri guy), because his characters are very expressive here. Later on their faces would have all the same stoic expression, all the time.
On Jubilee's costume, I always read that as her wanting to look like Carrie Kelley, to have her own superhero costume.
And Claremont seemed pretty clear to me then as he does now... There's a lot of stuff happening, but it's clear enough to me. Then again, I had been reading past X-Men issues, so...
Before you read these. Read the Captain Britain comics from the early to mid 80s by Alan Moore, Alan Davis, & Jamie Delano. It makes Psylocke a lot more understandable.
29:49..." Silvestri stuff " Ron Wagner, Mark Silvestri, Jim Lee and Lee Weeks. @ll similar, @ll greats.
Thanks gents for a 3-ish time machine goodness. Silvestri and Lee xmen art then was so good for me. Claremont's run was where and when i started reading xmen. Heaven for the young kid i was then. Heaven still for the old kid i see reflected in the mirror. Be safe. Mabuhay!
I did blown up color copies back in the days of those covers and put them to my wall. This was his best art ever! Not the cleaned up style he now has and everything looks the same.
You can say all you want about Claremont but he is responsible for some of the best and most iconic comics and characters ever. This era is his downfall but I love all his 80s run in the x universe
I blame Marvel for pushing him too hard and spreading him too thin.
25:35 the fine print anchoring the ads looks like an interpretation of tv static
As sloppy and disjointed as Claremont’s writing is in these issues, what comes in the few years after he leaves is, at its best, only about half as good. When the art is good, it’s fantastic, but when it’s poor, the comics are unreadable.
I love reading older book the NOISE newsprint makes when you flip them pages brings back good and bad memories 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I think the punisher war journal run was awesome also
Carl Potts did the layout and Jim Lee filled in the art. Those were very good. And the Wolverine cameo issues were his audition for X-Men... hahaha...
Punisher War Journal 7 (Wolverine guest star) was one of my first 5 comics! - Jim
Man even as a kid I understood all the body swapping of Psylocke to make her an elite assassin! You guys were just slow nose pickers!
Ninjas were all the rage, cmon. Making Betsy into a tool of the Hand was awesome…even if it was Frank’s idea 1st lol
A lot of the Psylocke stuff would have been confusing unless you read some of the Marvel UK Captain Britain and Marvel's Excalibur material.
Truth, lots of crossover stories on the X-Teams in this era. I loved it.
At the time these were out, maybe just a little while later, there was a Captain Britain trade featuring stories from the 1985 Captain Britain Weekly by Alan Davis and Jamie Delano, and while they didn't show up often, Captain Britain's siblings did appear in the book, as did Meggan, who was in Excalibur with Captain Britain.
Jim Lee is the Fucking 🐐
This was the Apex of Jim Lee's X-men run! Very inspiring to my young self.
I have this issues in my own language (Dutch) and it’s such a strange story. For years I thought that they made some mistakes with the translation or something. But no it’s just so strange 😆
I am struck by how few and how short these action scenes are in these books. But what ones they are have a tremendous impact
Mr. Jim “I don’t draw no stinkin’ backgrounds” Lee.
Huh?
This was after my time, so I had a bias against it as "not my comics". But I do remember being amazed how many X-titles, Bat-titles, etc. were out there. The only place to see X-Men other than their one title was the occasional cameo or Team-Up/2-in-1 guest-starring. That said, DC was on their way towards that for years already with Batman and Superman titles.
Chris Claremont was foreshadowing the fate of the xmen post siege perilous. So dope❤
256 was released at the end of 1989
I'm still partial to the Paul Smith X-Men run. Since you have me geeking, how about the Pinis' ElfQuest, Cerebus the Aardvark, or Bob Layton's Iron Man? Perhaps you've already touched on these and I've missed it-Please forgive.
People talk about how this is Claremont in his down years on X-Men, but I started reading at the end of The Fall of the Mutants and never had a problem with his writing. I always wondered if Silvestri (whom I was a big fan) felt threatened by Jim Lee's three issues on the book. It's competition people.
But now that you have time and you read his other works, how do they compare? Compare to the best, The Dark Phoenix Sage, these "dead" X-Men issues in the Outback and these whole Siege Perilous thing are dreadful, personally. I just bought them for the art -whether Silvestri or Lee.
Claremont should still be paying the letterer's monthly health care from his XMen run! #overtime
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Fuck yeah. I never got to read these issues as a kid. Now I know WTF happened to Psylocke.
Thank god Jim Lee changed up Rogues look or my childhood would be ruined LOL
Speaking of Inception, you should cover that Uncle Scrooge story that the Inception movie ripped off.
I will not tolerate any Victor Neuman/Jabot slander 😉
Why do we see Carol & Nick's ghosts because the Ravagers tortured Wolvie and his imagination (and Jubilee) saved his life. Besides Logan's nuts!
Oh, I am glad I am not the only one. Did not like the writing. But those were good looking issues -Jim Lee and MarK Silvestri's run.
I enjoyed this run at the time, but unlike Byrne's/Claremont's, it's not one I've revisited with much, if any pleasure. I was taken in by Lee's 'cool' X-men but looking back, in my opinion, that's all it was. Where as John Byrne drew 'people' Lee's characters were just cool, a bit over stylized and soulless. That said, (despite my misgivings about what was done to Betsy Braddock) no one has bettered his rendering of Psylocke.
rad
I liked silvestri better than lee. It looks more effortless. These issues are about the last I ever bought of x-men.
damn... banshee to this thay i don't know what this character was ever good for
Lol so true. Claremont after awhile was just awful, the writing He's done post Byrne and into the 90's was hard to read. His sequel to God Loves Man Kills is some of the worst stuff I've ever laid my eyes on.
I went back and reread the X-Men Claremont era... I started with GSX, which I know isn't his... it was still awful. I moved on to X-Men 94 and by the time I got to 104 I needed a break. A month long break... by the time I was finished, it took me almost 6 months to read up to 143.
I cheated, after stopping at 105, I immediately skipped and read DOFP, 141, 142. It was good. I enjoyed it. Then went back to 105. Even The Dark Phoenix Saga didn't live up to any memory I have. It was pretty bad.
@@roymakescomics They totally lost control and fanboyed out on that one. Very brave talk on this vid but all that was missing in the shoot interview. Claremont just opined, at one point just retelling some 90s FF story he wrote