Installing Border Pavers | DON'T Use Plastic Edging!
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- Опубликовано: 21 фев 2022
- We are wrapping up this job with cutting and laying the double border on this beautiful backyard paver patio. I discuss how and why I do it the way I do and also why I use concrete for my edge restraint. Enjoy the video and be sure to comment with any questions or feedback!
Check out all the videos from this project by clicking this playlist link right here👉 • Paver Patio / Outdoor ...
*The pavers on this project are made by (Nicolock)
*The main pavers are called (Blue Ridge) with a color tone of (Granite City)
*The border pavers are called (Rustico 6"x9") The inner border color tone is called (Charcoal) and the outer border color tone is called (Granite City)
*The stone veneer is just Square / Rectangle style veneer with a color tone of (Berkshire)
#PaverPatioBorder #CustomPaverPatio #DoublePaverBorder #ConcretePavers #HowToLayPavers #LayingAPaverPatio #paveredgerestraint 
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Objective and straight to the point. No useless stories about why the colors look pretty to you or why you went with a circle instead of a square. I love it!
Great video. Ill subscribe ✌️
🤣 Yes sir! Thanks for the support ✌
I’ve done this. Absolutely the way to go.
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Thank you for all the tips. Beautiful job!
No problem, thank you!
This is the best explanation I've found on how to do this.
Glad it was helpful ✌🏻
Looks great!
Great video, lots of practical tips, you're a genuine Artist brother. Thanks for sharing. 😎👍
Thank you , Glad you enjoyed it! ✌🏻
Very nice work. I agree 100% on the dbl. border.
Thank you! The double border completely changes the look compared to a single / no border ✌
Super! Me encanta la perfección que le dan a su trabajo. Gracias por compartir conocimiento.
Absolutely beautiful 😻
Thank you!
Great job,you guys are truly professionals
Thank you very much!
Its really beautiful
Good job
Thanks!
Well done!
Thank you!
Sold! On the concrete border restraint. Nicely done, young man.
Thank you! ✌
Looks awesome. I used to be that guy that used Portland or concrete on the edges, truth is the plastic border lasts longer. Problem is the concrete border is always put it in way to small.. it cracks.. starts to move. The plastic border can shift a bit and doesn't affect anything. And if it ever moves a bunch it can be easily repaired. Once that Portland cement border starts to crack and shift you got a big ole can of worms opened up. Took me 15 years to realize this. Your welcome guys
Thank you, but I don’t agree on plastic edging lasting longer. It allows water to wash away your bedding sand / stone and in doing so, gets pushed up higher than the pavers. I haven’t seen any plastic edging installs that held up over time. Especially when you are using open grade base like I am, no way you can use it in these applications.✌🏻
I agree concrete will always crack without some type of mesh, rebar, etc. This here will crack, weeds spurt up in between guaranteed. Try patching a section later and see how that looks, Just like a patch. It wont match. Im not trying to knock your idea, but you know it will happen. Tell that to a customer and see their reaction.
@@TheChristianHardscaper plastic is better... there are just way too many issues with mortar or concrete, and it's really not meant for that type of application to begin with.... and this becomes especially true in areas where you want grass growing all the way up to the edge of your pavers, with concrete, it won't
Great videos. I binged a bunch and learned so much. Thank you
Glad to hear it, thanks for the feedback and the support!!
Thanku 4 a very professional video.. shows alot abt ur character & skills..
Thanks, I'm glad you liked the video!
Great vid, about to do an outdoor project and this aligned with some things i was thinking of doing. Good to see true craftsmen at work. God Bless to you and your family.
Glad to hear it, plenty of other videos like this one on my channel. Good luck with your project and God Bless you too ✌
Good looking patio.
Thank you ✌
Thanks! You are inspiring.
God bless
Keep um coming!
My pleasure, plenty more to come! Thanks for the gift, God Bless! ✌
Looking good. I did some with plastic edge and some with concrete for my concrete work best and less expensive
Thank you, I will never use plastic edging again. ✌
It's beautiful 👏
Thank you!
Nice job , love the concrete edge , I’ve been doing Masonry and hard scape for almost 30 years , that edge you just did is how I was taught by an old mason. You do some beautiful quality work.Great videos, try not to give away all of our trade secrets 😁👍🏼👍🏼🇺🇸
Thank you very much, it is a great method and I was taught it by an older mason too... I appreciate the feedback, and I will try to keep a few secrets to myself.. 🤣✌
Just opened up my first company and it’s turf and paving , your videos have helped me a lot . Love your work.
That's awesome! I'm glad they have been helpful and thank you for the feedback. Good luck with your business ✌
That's dope looks good man
Thank you! ✌🏻
Thank you.
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Fantastic I just look at it I haven’t done but I should learn! Amazing
Thank you, very fun trade to learn!
very good job
Thank you!
great quality info man, thanks a lot
No problem ✌
great, thank you!
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Bro your an artist!
Thanks! ✌🏻
Thanks, I was just thinking about going to get the plastic edging.
No problem, I never recommend the plastic edging. just to expensive and fails very easy... ✌
Fantastic work! Thank you for the info. I have a walkway repair tomorrow and it need new concrete edging. I have done small sunken repairs but not new edging yet..
Glad it was helpful, good luck with the repair!
Ben…. I have to say, your videos are second to none! Really great attention to detail and helpful suggestions…. I’m a home owner and I did several stone features around my house… some turned out great, some I had to redo after a few years…. Mostly because of initial base preparation. Thank you and say hi to J Lo!
Thank you very much! I have learned a lot about base prep during my career because I found out early how important it was when a few projects failed due to poor preparation.... I will say Hi to J Lo for you! 🤣 ✌
Nice work! I must say that snap edge is necessary at times when sodding to the edge of the pavers. In areas that need irrigation or sprinkler heads against patios in my experience. Especially with a thicker product.
Thanks! I understand what you mean, but I don’t trust that edging to hold my pavers back. Maybe you can grow grass but the edges of your patio are going to fail over time. I would rather not be able to grow grass directly on the edge of my patio then to have the edges of my patio cave in over time ✌🏻
Heave lok
It’s a product from my area cleveland Ohio
Solves all issues of typical plastic edging
And prevents the bs from concreting patio edges
Or use a paver base pour. 2-3” concrete base and glue edge brick to base
Biggest issue I see when it comes to edging: improper base extension; edging placed on the bedding course and not the base itself; improper base depth; and lack of spikes. Both Snap Edge and EdgeCrete work great. For me, dense graded installations
Have 30 years of snap edge history, clean based systems are secured
Nicely with concrete toes/EdgeCrete/etc.
Nice video!
Good job Love that way you explain and don’t take shortcuts I’m learning good tips open grade look more solid like you say
Thanks! I love open grade base man, I’ll never switch back ✌🏻
Estanpado colors
Helpful video
Thanks for the feedback, glad you liked it ✌🏻
Very Great !
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I put plastic edging about 3 inches away from bricks, then poured concrete over it. (FL weather - very few freeze cycles)
Yeah. My plastic border things held by pins are failing badly. So, I need to learn to make a narrow trench and fill with concrete to fix. Thumbs up for you. Thanks.
The concrete will last much longer, and even if a small part of it fails. It is so much easier to repair than the plastic edging.... ✌
Looks great! Wouldn't recommend concrete in colder areas as it won't last. Composite will last longer if icpi guidlines are followed. Run your road base 1'further than the edge so your pins and sub base holds the pavers forever!
Thanks, I live in Massachusetts. Cold climate with multiple freeze / thaw cycles over the winter. No plastic edging will ever hold here, especially when using open grade base because the spikes have nothing to bite into. Concrete is the best edge restraint for open grade base, any base really in my opinion. ICPI still pushes mason sand as bedding material and I totally disagree with that…. ✌🏻
@@TheChristianHardscaper Freeze will push you concrete edge a lot easier than the spiked plastic edge, imo,
Nice Job men
From New Zealand: thank you! Great explanation, attractive and skilled work. I appreciate that the backing track is appropriate and not wild guitars riffs which are so typical of US vids. Thanks for sharing.
Very cool! Thanks for the comment and I’m glad you enjoyed it! I love how RUclips lets you connect with people across the world. ✌🏻
Well done 👏👏👏👏👏👍🇨🇦
Thank you ✌🏻
Beautiful job. Subbed
Thank you ✌🏻
looks good…only thing i would do that really sets the border off is 45 those corners. we used to never do that but we started to and it just makes it look more high class and clean
I agree that it looks sweet, I do that sometimes. ✌
Lots of great tips! For that border area where you didn't want a small sliver piece, could you have separated the two half pieces more? Had more full pieces between them? Maybe you didn't have a very long run, not sure. Looks amazing!
You definitely can separate them more to blend it in but i usually just separate them with 1 paver. ✌
My first view of this channel - that patio looks wonderful!
Sweet, Thank you! I have plenty more projects like this, so I hope you enjoy more content from my channel. Thanks for the feedback! ✌
@@TheChristianHardscaper I’ll probably binge your catalog in the next week. In the next 1-2 months I’m going to install a fairly large (for a non pro) paver patio and walkways. About two years ago I rebuilt my front porch and laid a wide and flaring paver walkway between the porch and driveway. It came out well, but I’ve already seen things in your videos that I wish I employed on that job (concrete edge stabilization and cutting curves in place with saw). Thanks for taking the time and effort to share your craft.
That sounds like a cool project! There are definitely a handful of common failure issues when it comes to pavers. I have spent my career learning how to prevent those issues and I am happy to share them here on RUclips. Good luck brother! ✌
Great work! Getting a real Ben Affleck from good will hunting vibe.
Thank you! I have gotten that comment a few times on here, never noticed it really but I can kind of see it now ✌🏻
Looks like Belgard Catalina Grana "Victorian" pavers.
We install the boarder stone at the same time we install the pavers, and cut the pavers to fit as we are installing.
We use the concrete beading along the edges as well because it's so much cheaper than the tracts. But our beading is much smaller than yours.
You did a good job nonetheless.
Thank you, All the pavers are made by (NicoLock). I like laying the pavers out first and making all my cuts at once, just seems much quicker and easier in my opinion. ✌
agreed and agreed
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Thanks for the video! The concrete edging seems like a better fit for your use of the open aggregate where it can really lock into the rocks. I used Class 5 for my base and opted for 1/4" chip rock for my bedding layer, per your videos, and I'm left wondering if you see the concrete as being as effective with the class 5 vs. the rock base?
No problem, glad they are helpful! I would still recommend concrete over plastic edging with class 5. Install it the same way as here ✌🏻
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I'm looking to do a huge paver patio and I was going to go with plastic restraints. Had no idea it might be a problem. I'll definitely use concrete. What type is best? I have a few bags of the 30 minute no mix for posts.
Any concrete mix you find will do. I usually use the 80Lb bags from Home Depot or Lowes, but the fast setting concrete works fine too 👍🏻 I never recommend the plastic edging 🤮
Buy extra to patch later.
Good job explaining @ 5:20. 2 comments today,Yeah I’m binging your shit . Keep the videos coming
🤣 Thanks man! Quality is in the details, plenty more videos to come ✌🏻
Love the work brother. Keep it up
Thanks! ✌🏻
Beautiful work! Sorry if I missed it in the video, but do you mind sharing what paver products / colors you're using? Thanks for the great video!
Thank you! So the pavers are made by "Nicolock" the paver style is called "Alpine Ridge" with a color blend called "Granite City" The border pavers are also made by "Nicolock" and the pavers are 6inch x 9inch pavers. One is charcoal color blend, and the other is granite city color.
Very attractive. I note that the patio sits quite high from the back door. (How is the owner handling drainage away from the back door please?) I expect the grass and garden has been set out by now and probably looks pretty fabulous!🙏👍
Thank you, The landing in front of the back door is 8-10 inches of clean crushed stone, allowing the water to freely flow through to the subsoil. The grass and flowers are in, came out gorgeous! ✌
Great video appreciate it. The only thing I'd disagree with is the idea grass can't grow... Anyone who says your concrete edge restraint is causing grass to die is out to lunch. You can grow grass on asphalt... The challenge will be managing the moisture for the grass with limited soil in that area... This can be aided by irrigation, different growing media in the first foot from the patio and drought tolerant grass... There are options for getting grass to grow and the other options you highlighted garden bed/ decorative stone apron work as well..
I could not agree more with everything you said! I wish more people could understand what you understand.... Thanks for the support brother! ✌
Great looking work, thanks for the video. Is it a special mix for the edge restraint (looks sandy)?...I keep hearing about fiber reinforced concrete...is that needed for the edge? Thanks!
Thank you! It is regular concrete gravel mix ( 80Lb bags ). There is fiber reinforced concrete out there but it’s very expensive…$ I haven’t seen the value in it yet. 👍🏻
Do you have a video on how you use your square to cut the boarder pavers??
Beautiful job and top advice. I have every confidence in doing my rear garden patio and front driveway after watching your excellent videos. Could I ask what is chipstone? Not familiar with that term here in the UK. Looks like a smaller stone which you level between the gas pipes?
Thank you, chip stone is just a term we use for 3/8" or 1/4" clean, crushed stone. It can be any type of stone. Good luck with your projects! ✌
Excellent work and great tricks. Would you recommend paverbase installation for the base or conventional gravel approach
Thank you, I always recommend crushed stone for the base of you are in a freeze/thaw climate. If your not in a freeze/thaw climate, paverbase is ok
@@TheChristianHardscaper : thanks
Great work by the way! Are you laying your slabs straight onto a crushed aggregate? Thanks
Thank you! And yes I am. My base material is 3/4 inch clean crushed stone, my bedding material is 3/8 inch clean crushed stone. It is a permeable paver system that I use even on non permeable applications ✌🏻
Great work! Boy I wish I found this so much sooner. I started on a large patio project and think I've mixed a dozen ideas from different installation methods. I'm hoping it holds up to time.
I did the concrete edge, but now that it has rained a bit I can see a couple low spots where my boarders dip. Any thoughts on how to do minor repairs along the edge? With plastic that's easy... Not so obvious with concrete.
Thank you! If you have sunken pavers on the edge, all you have to do is break the concrete off the edge where you need to repair. To do that, use a concrete saw or an angle grinder with a diamond blade on it to cut the concrete clean where you need to break it out. One you remove the concrete, lift up the sunken pavers, lay more bedding material, install the pavers again and install new concrete on the edge where you broke it. ✌
@@TheChristianHardscaper Thanks so much for your engagement. Keep up the great work.
I like that a lot of guys use concrete...I make good money fixing their failure! Of all the repair/re-lay jobs I have done, all but one had concrete edging that had broken and everything was "sliding" apart, sinking and outta whack.
That's not saying that using concrete is a bad idea...it's more about it being poorly done, and not being "beefy" enough and no reinforcement.
If I do concrete edging, I dig/scrape straight down from paver, so the concrete ends up being 4" x 4", 1/4round, and I used galv metal rod for reinforcement.
Sounds like repair work done by amateurs…. If the concrete has failed that bad, I totally agree it was not done properly. I also agree that steel reinforcement is very helpful for longevity but not necessary. It is all about installing the proper base that has very little movement. It is when you lay concrete on top of dense grade, sand, stone dust or loam that the concrete fails. That’s because those materials hold on to water like a sponge, causing the material to shift a lot during heavy rain or freeze / thaw cycles in the winter months.
If concrete fails on a project, plastic edging would have too. It’s not the concretes fault, it’s the base materials fault… ✌🏻
@@TheChristianHardscaper All about the base!!!
I only use aluminum edging on my jobs with 12” galvanized nails. Live in canada and I’ve never had issues with it. Plastic edging is use more often by homeowners. Concrete won’t last a season where I live as it cracks into pieces in not time with the weather we have here.
Unfortunately you can’t really use spikes in the base material I use (3/4” clean crushed stone). So the spikes will not hold. That being said, if you use this base material, you will have less shifting with the cold weather which helps keep the concrete in tact for much longer ✌🏻
@@TheChristianHardscaper I use 6” of 3/4 clear under 1” of hpb, when I use the 12” spikes they always catch enough to hold well in place because you got a good 5” of the spike into the sun soil, and if I’m doing a driveway I install 12” of 3/4 crusher run compacted which the nail grab ready we’ll on. I’ve never had issues so far. This ended up looking really good btw.
Again you work is amazing and your videos are the best on RUclips. Do you generally raise your pavers above grade or stay dead even with grade ? And do you just cut the extra Geotex fabric even with grade or fold the excess under the edge, then finish landscaping the edges whether it’s with stone or loom?
Thank you very much! We always lay the pavers slightly above the grade to help prevent any water issues, then we fold the excess fabric over the edges and cut whatever extra there is after we fold it over. Then we spread loam, mulch or stone, depending on the situation. ✌
Looks amazing. So do you sweep any sand in between the paver joints or no?
Yes, we use Polymeric sand in our paver joints. ✌
Thanks for the explanation. what did you use for your base? Would you recommend 5" of CR6 gravel and then an inch or two of stone dust?
Thank you! Check out this video right here to learn how I do my base for pavers 👉🏻How To Properly Backfill For Concrete Pavers (DIY)
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how do the boarder stay. what do you use to lock them on to the bedding
Beautiful job! I really like the color and sizes of your pavers. Where did you purchase them?
Thank you! These pavers are made by "NicoLock" and the style of pavers is called "Alpine Ridge" with a color tone of "Granite City" ✌
do you run a compactor over the pavers before or after the concrete edging? And then do you have to do the poly sand quickly after or can the edging have been cured for a few days?
Depending on the circumstances, we do it both ways. But the best way in my opinion is to concrete the edge, poly sand and compact close to the same time so you can compact the pavers before the concrete sets. But, if you have to do the concrete first and poly sand / compact after, you can. Just need to be careful along the edge with the compactor so you don't mess with the concrete bond too much. ✌
Love the vids ,a little different base then I used years ago. Question on 3/4 clean stone, the only stone available in my area is 6aa which is clean limestone. Will this be fine? Thanks for any input.
Thanks! Crushed limestone is fine for foot traffic but for a driveway install you want crushed granite or something comparable in strength. But for a walkway or patio, its no problem ✌
You rock! Thank you sir.✌️
Yessir looks good, just wondering what’s the name of those paver’s and what kind of gravel you use on bottom
Thank you! Those pavers are called "Alpine Ridge" and they are made by "NicoLock". I use Open Grade base for all my hardscape installs. Which is just a clean, 3/4 inch crushed stone.
How deep do you do your gravel base to avoid freeze/thaw uplift?
Typical installs are excavated 8-12 inches below top of paver height. ✌
I am planning to replace asphalt driveway qoth interlock. A contractor told me he will dig no mre than 4-6 inch deep, use 3/4 clear gravel, then use hpb and then paver stone. Is this the right way to do the Job from start to finish?
I am a home owner and I have no clue how the base should be to prevent future shiftings and dips.
Please advice and thank you.
Do you not need to tie together your concrete edge restraint with your geogrid underneath to prevent dirt from leaking in to your permeable base from outside? Thanks, Really enjoying your videos!
No, that is not necessary. Sometimes we fold the fabric back to just under the concrete after it sets to help prevent that
Hi Christian,
I have a patio of rectangle shape and I don't have wall at half of the patio. So I want to build a wall rest of the half patio, As the model given by the patio builder is half of patio they will put the wall with 4 blocks from ground and other side will be no wall. So i want to cover full rectangle shape with wall. What best you can suggest for me to complete this project. And honestly I am new to this DIY.
My question for you is how to install a wall with firmly from ground on other side of Patio which we are not having wall.
Building a wall starts with excavating and backfilling properly. It is very important to plan the project and have a clear plan in place. I have multiple videos on my channel that can help, make sure you check them out 👍🏻
Looks killer dude! What is the soil type for this project? Looked like you used a thin amount of base and no sand.
Thank you! I have a video in the playlist that this video is in that shows how I excavated and backfilled. We used 6-8 inches of clean crushed stone with a 1 inch layer of chip stone ( 3/8 clean crushed stone ) Check out that video right here 👉ruclips.net/video/-5iOgx8CHow/видео.html
Nice. I have a plastic edge border (that 50ft roll with 5" height black edging from Vigoro) against my lawn now along the edge where I plan to add a paver walkway (straight line). Would I be able to butt my walkway pavers up against the plastic edge without any concern for the pavers shifting? Would you still use a cement edge against something like that? Thank you for directing me to this video. It makes it very clear to me now.
The stuff you mention is for flower bed edging. It supports nothing. Look at a landscaping supply store and see how paver edging is designed. Its stiff and has holes where you use long spikes to help keep it in place.
@@terrythomas790 No holes. Stakes are driven into the edging to hold it in place. It's acting as a cheap border around the lawn. My question is if that edge is solid enough to hold the pavers in place along that edge, meaning I don't need to worry about adding additional cement.
I always recommend concrete on the edge of pavers, however it is very important that you do it correctly. Be sure to create a trench around the outside of your pavers that goes past the bedding layer and slope the concrete from the bottom of the trench to 1 inch below the top of the pavers at about a 45 degree angle ✌
@@TheChristianHardscaper Thank you
Just curious if you ever use perma edge? It’s marketed as being stronger but more flexible then concrete for edging since it has plastic fibers in it. Just curious your thoughts.
Love your videos!
I have used it once, seems to be a very good product but man is it very expensive.... I don't use it for that reason. Just like every other industry, you have manufacturers pushing highly profitable products to all us contractors. Some of them just are not worth the money in my opinion. Perma edge is one of them.... ✌
Do you have any videos on cutting for curves?
I have quite a few actually.... here a couple of them
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Oh, I bought the plastic edging. Now I'm worried it's not going to hold up. Maybe I should take them back and use concrete instead. Thanks for the heads up!
I would recommend that for sure. the concrete just holds up so much better in my experience ✌
What about metal edging with the big V shaped spikes made for driving into 3/4” stone base?
I know what you are talking about, it is very expensive and it still doesn't hold as strong as concrete in my opinion.
hi,Guys. you did a great job, and I keep learning from you
Thank you, glad to hear the videos are helpful! ✌
What is your bedding layer material? Do you have a fabric layer & where?
Did you leave a gap between the pavers and the foundation? Do you ever carry the border along the wall of the foundation? Or is that not good?
I always leave a minimum of a 1 inch gap along foundation. And sometimes I carry the border but not always as you can see. That comes down to preference and circumstance. ✌
Have you ever used the fiberglass reinforced concrete like perma edge? Is a 3lb dead blow hammer good for paver work or is a heavier one better?
Yes I have, it works great but is very expensive.... Not worth the money in my opinion. And we use 5.5lb Dead blow hammers. But a 3lb will work, just got to swing it more. LOL
@@TheChristianHardscaper lol makes sense. I do a lot of dry stone walling and it's the same rule of thumb with those hammers. A lighter one will usually work but it takes more swings before that stone is going to break!
Yes Concrete is good but Concrete with rebar is even better, takes a little longer but it also lasts Way longer not to mention being more stronger. I noticed sometimes with just Concrete it turns to crack overtime
I certainly agree that adding rebar will add a lot of strength. I don't typically do that but I do agree it would be stronger ✌
I see the HD sells concrete called SAKRETE PSI 6000 with fibers to increase strength. Would that be suitable or do you buy concrete and add fibers? Also, i was thinking about adding a little black powder made for mortar to darken the concrete. I find its a little too light in my opinion. What do you think?
That concrete would be perfect and using the mortar due is a very good idea. It will blend in better for sure. ✌
Did you compact the pavers after you set them? I just set these same pavers around my in-ground pool. I did a stone base as I’m in southern NH and have a freeze.
We compact them when we do the polymeric sand. And for around a pool, you made the best decision and used stone. It makes a huge difference in longevity. It’s all about open grade base. Especially up here in New England.✌🏻
Thanks bub, you have some good vids!
We have extreme freeze&thaw cycles here. This year I am trying similar method of this because in the past we've always used type 32 gravel base, crusherdust base, then plastic edge restraints with 10" spikes. They always end up shifting, heaving over the years.
Now we excavate about 8-10". Lay geotextile fabric, then about 4-6" ¾ clean crushed rock and 2-4" of crusherdust, then our pavers. Will see how it does as it's enough to still hold plastic edging restraintss.
The only clean ⅜ stone they have here is more of a rounded pea rock. Would that be better to use then crusherdust? If i did use it, I just don't see concrete edging restraint holding up as well here as we hit temperatures of -45° Celsius every Winter. Thanks!
The plastic edging just never holds tight.... The way you are doing your base now is great, but I do think clean peastone is still a better bedding material than crusher dust. The problem I always explain with that material is that it holds on to water, which is not good in a freeze / thaw climate. It holds the moisture and that is the exact reason the pavers are shifting so much to begin with. Open Grade base from the bottom of the excavation to the bottom of the paver. I would recommend trying to find angular 3/8 inch stone though, if not pea stone will still be better simply for water drainage.
As for the concrete, if the water is properly draining under the pavers, the concrete will not shift. It may crack, but it will not shift nearly as much as plastic edging. That's because the base material underneath it is not shifting. Just my opinion, I have been using this technique now for 4 years in Massachusetts, we have a lot of freeze / thaw cycles here.... ✌
You should buy 9 inch Milwaukee battery cut off saw ! Cuts 3 inches deep and weighs 15 pound
Beautiful job mate!
Thanks brother! I will definitely have a saw like that someday, they are great for radius cuts. I do love how much faster the big gas powered ones cut though, but I agree they are heavy… ✌🏻
I see lots of people complaining about the EXTREMELY SHORT BATTERY LIFE with the quite new 9 inch Milwaukee battery cut off saw.
I just ordered the Evolution Power Tools - 12 Inch Premium ELECTRIC Concrete Saw With Dust Suppression from Home Depot. The price is surprisingly affordable and the user ratings and reviews are all very positive. Some users are recommending it be connected to a 20 amp circuit to get full power out of it.
Great work what kind of saw are you using? What kind of cement mix are you using?
Thanks! I use a Stihl TS-420 saw and we are just using regular concrete mix that comes in 80lb bags from any local home improvement store ✌
@@TheChristianHardscaper
Thanks
what are you using as your bedding material? i have always used bedding sand but i see here it looks like small rock. i’m still new to the trade and trying to learn all i can.
Hey man, the bedding material is 3/8 clean, crushed stone with no dust or binder materials mixed in. It is called chip stone here where I am and is used mainly for permeable installs but I use it on non permeable installs also. It is a great bedding material, I haven’t used sand is stone dust in many years… ✌🏻
Have you ever put the concrete under the soldier course? Like wet set the outside course instead of doing an exterior concrete edging?
I have done that on a few jobs, it makes the border very strong. I think the only downside to that is the pavers can't lift with the freeze / thaw cycle here. Even with the open grade base we use, the ground will freeze and heave, then thaw and sink multiple times a winter here in MA. Though it is only 1/4-1/2 inch of movement usually, it is enough to mess up the border if it is laid in concrete. With concreting just the edge, the pavers can freely move up and down while being held in on the side.
@@TheChristianHardscaper that makes sense. Thanks for the reply and great work on the channel!
@@jaynenreibling6674 no problem man. Thanks for the support and I'm glad you like the channel ✌
Estanpado colors
Thanks!
Great video.. where do you buy the pavers?
Thanks, a local dealer. They are made by (Nicolock) and they are called ( Alpine Ridge ) ✌🏻
How are this pavers made?? Have you considered making them?? The quality are good. Great video as always..
Please I will love to have an idea on how this pavers are made. Am far off Nigeria..
Here in America they have very large manufacturer facilities that make the pavers with very expensive machines. I am not really sure how they are made exactly... But the company who made these pavers is called (Nicolock). You could probably research them a little and find out. ✌
@@TheChristianHardscaperThank you for the info, I am a fan of your videos, really encouraging to do same out here...
What about vertical pavers in the border, half buried ?
I don’t typically recommend that, 1 for looks but also doesn’t work as good as concrete
What kind of concrete do you use for the best results
I use regular concrete mix from any home improvement or landscape supply store. 80lb bags. There are plenty of other fiber reinforced options out there, but too expensive…. As long as you do it right, the regular concrete will work just fine ✌🏻