This guy did the best job of anybody on the internet. There is a lot of complaining about this starter with the internal (integral) solenoid. The starter is actually a brilliant design. Just the wrong application. It is lighter and smaller than the external solenoid design. Great for race airplanes/cars/motorcycles where size and weight are at a premium but longevity and robustness (if that's a word?) is not. Solenoid power (speed and strength) is dependent on power and surface area of the magnetic field. Power is set at 12 volts (yes winding density is a factor), so size does matter. The internal starter solenoid is about 25% as big as the external solenoid model. So as time goes on the earth magnet starts to lose its gauss (magnetic field strength) and doesn't move as fast allowing the contacts (spring loaded) to engage before the starter gear engages in the ring gear (scrapping/grinding noise). If it only happened a few times prior repair indexing the flywheel is not necessary. You can visually inspect it through the starter hole. For those who don't understand the indexing, the engine stops on the same area each time. I think only 6 places, but it could be four.
Since 2021 and after 3 starters, including the updated oem starter. The car starts like a charm using a 2012 accord starter. I can't tell you how thankful i am. God bless you
Glad it helped and worked. Yea so far we are a few thousand miles in , not a single issue. Hopefully, this truly is the solution. Thanks again for watching, please hit the like and subscribe button.
No issues what so ever, been 4 and half months. Glad you found this video helpful. Thanks for watching, please hit the like and subscribe button. If you have anymore question(s) just ask, and I'll try and help.
Love my 2015 Accord. We actually purchased 2 (his and hers 2015 V6 EXL Sedans). The first Accord needed 2 starter replacements in 35K miles, and the dealer actually did the flywheel too under warranty along with a new second starter replacement. We only kept it a little while after the fix before we sold it. However, starting it really seemed to sound the way it is supposed to unlike after the first starter replacement. For the Accord I still have, the first starter went within a year of my purchase and was fixed under warranty. the second starter lasted 8 years and 77K miles and isn't too bad now. I ordered everything and hope to do this over the weekend. I sure hope it's not freezing outside. Thanks for this video, and I'm sure to add another 5 views this weekend, when I start on it. Great Job!
Thanks for watching. No problem, yea glad you found it useful. Overall the install is not bad at all. I'd call this a 2.5 out 5 difficulty. Only because of the bracket you have to grind off.
Used the parts in the description on my 2016 Honda Accord V6 and the starter works perfectly good now only bummer was making that bracket adjustment it’s steel btw, but after that it works perfectly fine
2 weeks in with this repair method and so far, so good. Factory starter was changed out over a year ago as it would "fail to engage" would be the best way to put it. It would click and give me a fault sometimes, like it it wasn't meshing with the flywheel. The replacement starter was good for about a month, then it began an intermittent grinding issue that got progressively worse, the flex plate service bulletin was also performed at the time of its replacement. Eventually, grinding issue got so bad I feared getting stranded. When I pulled the starter out I noticed the teeth on the starter looked fine but the teeth on the flywheel looked damaged and worn but I went ahead with the repair anyway. The old starter would have had several faults by now but no issues as of yet with this one so it doesn't seem like the teeth on the flywheel are too big of an issue. I'm using the remanufactured Denso starter from Rock Auto solely because it had the highest power rating (1.8Kw, P/N 2800403). I will update if anything changes but hopefully this is the fix because besides this super frustrating issue (and the VSA module) it's a great car. 2013 Accord EX-L Coupe V6
Yea, i hope its the fix as well. In a couple weeks, it will be a year with the past generation starter installed, and currently sitting on a tad over 15,000 miles with it.
@@gilbosdiy I just spent on one of the best brand and it only lasted a week and went back to doing the falla finishing December parties I'll try this I hope it works for me
Just replaced my faulty starter on my 2013 v6 yesterday and have worked like magic! Hopefully will be fixed for good since this issue have been really frustrating to me! Really thankful for this info and video
Glad it was helpful. Yea, we've had this starter in my 2013 Accord since Oct 2023. Hopefully this saves you a few dollars. Thanks for watching, please hit the like and subscribe button.
2014 Honda Accord EX-L V6 Initial testimony: ( 9 NOV 2024) My friend just finished installing the 2012 Honda OEM starter (p/n: 31200-R70-A51) & the Gasket mentioned in this video & "Description" and trimmed that metal bracket with 3mm (approx. 1/8") of clearance once the new (older 2012 generation) starter was installed and lastly placed the Hose exactly as mentioned in the video... securing it with the screw mounted into the bottom (underneath) the Battery Tray. The car started like a champ!! No grinding or multiple start attempts... Just depress the brake & push the start button once quickly. I will update in Spring 2025 and again after a year from today. Any questions please message. In the meantime, if I have not posted then everything is going wonderfully and all is well. Many Thanks to this gentleman for posting an alternative for others whom DIY!! God Bless Yes, you can do it too!! 💯
I also have Accord EX-L V6 that had the starter replaced 18 months ago at 84k because it died, and I had no choice but to tow it to Honda and replace the starter($1000). Now, when I hit the push start button, I get a grinding noise with the initial attempt. Planning to take it back to Honda even though it's out of the 1 yr warranty, hoping they will fix it without charge. Also, need an ABS module $2000 part.
@@pall5114 If it's not too late, please try to follow this video's instructions. Have you tried the older generation starter (2012) with the solenoid on the outside of the starter... the exact same OEM/Honda part number for the starter and gasket??
@@rolex5270 There is another comment on this same video in which states that they replaced the starter multiple times, rotated the flex plate and another that replaced the torque converter too. Did you purchase and install the older generation (2012) starter and gasket? Did you follow the instructions as mentioned in the video? Did you purchase the OEM/Honda starter with the solenoid on the outside of it? Since trying the steps mentioned in this video, my 2014 Honda Accord EX-L V6 is working/starting GREAT... no grinding, no multiple start attempts... just place my foot on the brake and press the start button one time quickly. Remember that you will have to grind off that metal bracket so the 2012 starter will fit just like the video explains. I really wish you well and hope that you're able to finally fix your car. *** Honda will not do what this video shows. You have to Do It Yourself or get someone else to do it for you. Its easy and takes less than 1hr with the correct tools... removal & installation all together. Good Luck!
Had a 2014 I changed to an aftermarket starter and it didn’t work, bought a new oem starter and didn’t work, flywheel didn’t work. Ended up trading it as I read some other possible solutions were expensive. Glad someone found it out. I loved that car.
GRATEFUL TO FIND YOUR CHANNEL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH ! STEP BY STEP .... YOU'RE RIGHT AND REALLY WORK LIKE YOU SAID, AWESOME ! BLESS YOU AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP ! ....PEOPLE , EVERYTHING WORKS EXTREMELY WELL , PERFECT ! THANK YOU !!!!
Thanks for watching, glad that the video helped. Trying it this way first, is for sure cheaper than a NEW Honda starter that doesn't work. Don't forget to hit the like and subscribe button.
@@ns5337 I had refurbished the original one that came with my car (bad starter part number 31200-5G0-A02), but it didn´t work out. I´ve decided to buy Honda's redesigned starter - part number 31200-5G0-A04, mentioned at TSB 16-002 - and carefully detailed in the description of the video. It has been working so far, 3 months later.
I have been dealing with this for over a year or so. Even bought a new starter and torque converter from Honda. Worked for a couple of months and started doing it again. Just bought a used STARTER from ebay part number Honda 31200-R70-A51 and put on my 2015 Honda Accord and so far so good no starter grind!!! I hope it stays that way. Thanks!!!!
Did you buy your part from eBay or eBay parts cause i have the same issues but I don’t want to get the wrong part or scammed and also am finding them for over 160+
Glad you found this video helpful. Don't forget you need a dremel tool, to cut the bracket. So the previous gen starter will fit (since it has an external solenoid). I had the previous gen starter installed for about a year now. Approximately 16K miles.
@@gilbosdiy from your video I am not sure which bracket needs to be cut. I looked around the current starter and can't figure it out. new starter is being delivered tomorrow, will try to do this Saturday.
@@tomzphoneYeah, I forgot to film the bracket that needed to be cut. If you look at your current starter in the vehicle. Then picture the replacement starter with the solenoid right above it, you will see which bracket I am referring to. Approx 6:19 into video.
@@gilbosdiy thanks, i wonder why the older starter works better, and the correct starter has issues even after replacing it. No issues for the first 40k miles on my 2013. now it has issues starting most of the time.
@@tomzphone I think the 9th gen starter, has a design/ clearance issue. Hence the TSB. Then again what do I know, I'm clueless, the folks at Honda know more.🙄
I think I figure out the issue with the original starter. It's too weak. Eventually it doesn't engage the torque converter fully and starts to strip metal from the torque converter teeth , making the issue worst over time. I was able to replace the starter with one from 2012 model today. . Did have to cut the bracket, but everything else fit just perfectly. Have been testing and starting the car all day long without a single issue.
You are absolutely correct, I know the TSB call for rotating flywheel when replacing the 002 starter with a 004. The reason I didn't is because I am not replacing with a 004. Just in case using the previous generation starter doesn't work. Then I can try and replace with a 004 starter and STILL do the flywheel rotation as per the TSB. As you know, the TSB states if the 004 starter with flywheel rotation doesn't work. The next option is to only replace the torque converter. Don 't think I want to have to go that route.
@gilbosdiy Did you dremel the bracket in place? Won't the cutting generate a lot of sparks? What did you do to protect the surrounding areas (hoses) from the sparks?
Yes, I used a dremel to remove what I needed from the bracket to allow the starter to fit. Wasn't that much spark, but always, keep a fire extinguisher nearby. Just make sure the vehicle is cold, before working on it.
I'm curious to know, after a couple months, has the problem returned? That's what happens to my 2015 Accord V6. After the repair, the problem seems to be fixed for a few weeks, then it comes back gradually and gets worse. My first Honda - I thought I was buying quality, but now this problem with no factory recall - I realize I should have bought a Toyota instead.
No, not at all, so far going with the previous generation starter ( I.e. external solenoid) has been just fine. No issues what so ever. The car is driven daily as my wife uses the vehicle drop off and pick up my kid from school. Multiple starts during car pool line.
Good vdi on how to.. Looks pretty easy. Hopefully I won't have to deal with it, but only time will tell. I have a 2016 with only 77,000kms on it so it's relatively new, so I shouldnt expect any problems at this point. How many miles on your Honda and I presume it has the push button start.? Thanks again for the vid.
My Accord is a 2013 V6, with 190,000 miles (approx 305,000 km). Yes, push button start. We've had this issue very sporadically since about 100,000 miles (dealer replaced the starter for free at 105,000, 2/18). Recently it started to happen more often. More than the first go around. Hopefully going with a previous generation starter, will do away with this issue and last longer than 100,000 miles. I rather spend $70 instead of $450. Thanks for watching, as maintenance requires, I will put more videos up. Hopefully this will help you save a few hundred bucks.
Just to confirm. The starter that you put on is from a 2012 honda accord V6? correct? I have a 2016 honda accord V6 and i already swapped put the starter once and now im being told i have to replace the fly wheel and some other parts down there as well.
Good day..I am going crazy right now,on my 2014 Honda Accord,I have changed 3 starters and 2 batteries..pls wat do you advise me to do..would the 2012 starter work on my 2014 accord??
when I check to see if it fits before i buy it, it says that it doesn't fit to my 2014 honda accord exl v6. is that what it is supposed to say since it is an older generation
i have a 2013 honda accord v6 as well. i have replaced the starter in 2019 and rotated the flywheel. problem was still there, in 2021 i changed the starter again, did not do anything to the flywheel. i want to try your method, can you post the ebay listing?
Thanks for watching. All the parts that I used is listed in the description below the video. Hope it helps. If you have any more questions, just ask and I'll try and help.
@@gilbosdiy So I got my 428000- 5380 Denso unit yesterday and installed it. So far 5/5 successful starts. I did have to cut that bracket off as well. And I did not rotate the flex plate because I did it in 2019 when I did the starter. Thank you for this video. I hope this fixes the problem.
@@gilbosdiy Unfortunately for me I had already bought the starter motor for my 2013 Accord coupe v6 at autozone 😢 (it didn't work) and they told me that there was no cash refund, so I was able to exchange it right there for the one from a 2012 Accord v6 I will install it today and let you know how it worked.
@@alejandroh9168 Yeah , in that case, just have them exchange it. Remember you will have to grind away the bracket, in order for the starter to fit. The bracket on the engine gets in the way of the exterior solenoid on the starter.
@@gilbosdiy I've already done it, I've been testing it (5 successful starts, I just changed it today) the starter feels much better than the one supposedly designed for this model. I hope it continues to work as well as it has so far. Thank you very much for your help, I had seen it in forums but it wasn't until I saw it in your video that I was encouraged to do it.
@@alejandroh9168 You are welcome, glad it worked. Thanks again for watching. Please hit the like and subscribe button so we can grow this channel. Stay tuned, I will have another upgrade pretty soon, that I think you will find useful
At about the 2:10 mark of the video I remove a bolt that held the LOWER radiator hose (plastic piece, and thin sheet metal shaped piece). It is what the bolt is mounted to. If you have the two starters side by side current generation and previous generation. You can see the PREVIOUS generation starter, has the solenoid on the exterior of the starter. If you attempted to install the previous generation starter. That solenoid, will hit the bracket, and prevent you from installing the starter. Hope this helps. If you have anymore question(s), just ask and I'll try and help. Thanks again for watching
@@Shahroze_ I bought a new one, since it was only $10-$11 bucks from the dealer. To me not worth the headache reusing, just in case. You can choose to do what is best for you.
@@gilbosdiypls can make a video for Honda 4plug,or tell me what I can do,cos the starter is in a different position (under the sit) and the older model starter does not fit
@@rolex5270 Sorry, I don't have a 4 cylinder Accord, so I can not make a video. On the 4 cylinder, you have to replace it from under the vehicle, above the oil pan. it will still be 2 bolts. I believe the 2 bolts are 14mm. There is also a 12mm nut for the cable that goes to the battery. Then there is a plug you have to unclip. Just a couple notes, make. sure to get either a USED Honda starter , or Denso brand. I would not buy off brands from the ebay, or auto parts. Also make sure to disconnect the battery before removing the starter. Hope this helps
I have honda accord2015 v6 . My car start grinding now sometimes 2-3 times in day when i start car , some time after some days . So if i change only starter this can be fix ? Or i have to change some more things?
As long as the part number matches you should be fine, (31200-R70-A51). Then, the condition of the starter would be another thing to look at. Thanks for watching please hit the like and subscribe button if you found this video helpful. If you have anymore question(s) just ask.I'll try and help.
Is this a permanent fix? 2014, 140,000 miles, purchased new. We have been through a NAPA starter, two Honda starters including the updated part number and of course done the TSB with rotation. The intermittent starting and grinding comes back. All of these fix-it videos install a starter and say they've fixed the problem. The vehicle will always start correctly with a newly installed starter but the issue does return.
I mean, you can ask me in a few years if this is a permanent fix or not. For $70, I was willing to try it. I had it installed since October of 2023 and 12K miles on it.
@@gilbosdiy I will probably try your idea asap. I don't have much to lose. The current Honda starter just started grinding again. It took a little over a year, about 20,000 miles for issues to arise again. Unbelievable.
im going to have to do this to my car im wondering if i still have to spin the flywheel or i can just install the old starter also wondering how long its lasted since this video
@@gilbosdiy thank you for your reply. I am currently trying to find the part but it seems like I can’t find so I’m not sure if I can use one from a 2012 Honda accord exl v6
@@abrahamiservera6279 Search for a used starter with the part number, instead of by just Accord. That starter was used on alot of the Honda V6 vehicles. Pilot, Odyssey, Accord, Acura Just buy a cheap old one off eBay.
No, 2014 and 2103 use the same starter. You need a starter from a previous generation V6 vehicle (i.e. before 2012). If you look at the description below the video, I have a part number of the starter listed that will work with the V6 Accord. Hope this helps. If you have anymore question(s) just ask. Please remember to hit the like and subscribe button.
This guy did the best job of anybody on the internet. There is a lot of complaining about this starter with the internal (integral) solenoid. The starter is actually a brilliant design. Just the wrong application. It is lighter and smaller than the external solenoid design. Great for race airplanes/cars/motorcycles where size and weight are at a premium but longevity and robustness (if that's a word?) is not. Solenoid power (speed and strength) is dependent on power and surface area of the magnetic field. Power is set at 12 volts (yes winding density is a factor), so size does matter. The internal starter solenoid is about 25% as big as the external solenoid model. So as time goes on the earth magnet starts to lose its gauss (magnetic field strength) and doesn't move as fast allowing the contacts (spring loaded) to engage before the starter gear engages in the ring gear (scrapping/grinding noise). If it only happened a few times prior repair indexing the flywheel is not necessary. You can visually inspect it through the starter hole. For those who don't understand the indexing, the engine stops on the same area each time. I think only 6 places, but it could be four.
Since 2021 and after 3 starters, including the updated oem starter. The car starts like a charm using a 2012 accord starter. I can't tell you how thankful i am. God bless you
So that’s the starter that ends in A04?
I have had this issue for 4 years tried the bulletin to no avail put the older starter in and boom problem fixed thank you for the info
Glad it helped and worked. Yea so far we are a few thousand miles in , not a single issue. Hopefully, this truly is the solution.
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This looks like a much beefier starter with external solenoid and the gears look like they have more bite to them!
I replaced my starter twice with OEM and it didn’t engage nearly INSTANTLY!
I purchased a used 2012 starter and it did the trick!
Thank you!
Thanks for watching, glad it was helpful. I've had this previous gen starter in the Accord for a tad over a year. It's been fine.
Did the swap and car starts perfectly! Thanks for the suggestion on using an older model starter and the how to video. Cheers.
No issues what so ever, been 4 and half months.
Glad you found this video helpful.
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If you have anymore question(s) just ask, and I'll try and help.
Since 2019, 3 starters, and 1 flywheel ago, this solution worked like magic! Truly, I am grateful for the information in this video - Thank you!!
WOW, that is a lot of starters. Well glad this video helped.
Ended up trading mine. Couldn’t ever fix it.
Hey can Ik where u got the new fly wheel from I can’t find one to fit my car
Love my 2015 Accord. We actually purchased 2 (his and hers 2015 V6 EXL Sedans). The first Accord needed 2 starter replacements in 35K miles, and the dealer actually did the flywheel too under warranty along with a new second starter replacement. We only kept it a little while after the fix before we sold it. However, starting it really seemed to sound the way it is supposed to unlike after the first starter replacement. For the Accord I still have, the first starter went within a year of my purchase and was fixed under warranty. the second starter lasted 8 years and 77K miles and isn't too bad now. I ordered everything and hope to do this over the weekend. I sure hope it's not freezing outside. Thanks for this video, and I'm sure to add another 5 views this weekend, when I start on it. Great Job!
Thanks for watching. No problem, yea glad you found it useful. Overall the install is not bad at all. I'd call this a 2.5 out 5 difficulty. Only because of the bracket you have to grind off.
Used the parts in the description on my 2016 Honda Accord V6 and the starter works perfectly good now only bummer was making that bracket adjustment it’s steel btw, but after that it works perfectly fine
Thanks for watching. Glad the previous gen starter, worked.
2 weeks in with this repair method and so far, so good. Factory starter was changed out over a year ago as it would "fail to engage" would be the best way to put it. It would click and give me a fault sometimes, like it it wasn't meshing with the flywheel. The replacement starter was good for about a month, then it began an intermittent grinding issue that got progressively worse, the flex plate service bulletin was also performed at the time of its replacement. Eventually, grinding issue got so bad I feared getting stranded. When I pulled the starter out I noticed the teeth on the starter looked fine but the teeth on the flywheel looked damaged and worn but I went ahead with the repair anyway. The old starter would have had several faults by now but no issues as of yet with this one so it doesn't seem like the teeth on the flywheel are too big of an issue. I'm using the remanufactured Denso starter from Rock Auto solely because it had the highest power rating (1.8Kw, P/N 2800403). I will update if anything changes but hopefully this is the fix because besides this super frustrating issue (and the VSA module) it's a great car. 2013 Accord EX-L Coupe V6
Yea, i hope its the fix as well. In a couple weeks, it will be a year with the past generation starter installed, and currently sitting on a tad over 15,000 miles with it.
@@gilbosdiy But what is the logic of all this? Putting the ignition of a previous generation
@@gilbosdiy I just spent on one of the best brand and it only lasted a week and went back to doing the falla finishing December parties I'll try this I hope it works for me
@@clej1jdm588design clearance of the new starter bendix, is not correct. That's what I think.
Just replaced my faulty starter on my 2013 v6 yesterday and have worked like magic!
Hopefully will be fixed for good since this issue have been really frustrating to me!
Really thankful for this info and video
Glad it was helpful. Yea, we've had this starter in my 2013 Accord since Oct 2023. Hopefully this saves you a few dollars.
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What starter part number did you use?
@@longsleevethong1457it's exactly the one provided on the video
Honda 31200-R70-A51
Other idea to get it, search for 428000-5380 denso
@@longsleevethong1457 I picked up a previous generation starter (31200-R70-A51)
Just did this on my 2013 accord....irs been over 2 weeks and no problems thus far... wow thanks so much for the video... amazing. Your the bomb!!!!!
Hey glad it helped. I've had this starter in my Accord since about mid October.Thanks for watching, make sure to hit the like and subscribe button.
Did you have the gasket changed also
2014 Honda Accord EX-L V6 Initial testimony: ( 9 NOV 2024) My friend just finished installing the 2012 Honda OEM starter (p/n: 31200-R70-A51) & the Gasket mentioned in this video & "Description" and trimmed that metal bracket with 3mm (approx. 1/8") of clearance once the new (older 2012 generation) starter was installed and lastly placed the Hose exactly as mentioned in the video... securing it with the screw mounted into the bottom (underneath) the Battery Tray.
The car started like a champ!! No grinding or multiple start attempts... Just depress the brake & push the start button once quickly. I will update in Spring 2025 and again after a year from today.
Any questions please message. In the meantime, if I have not posted then everything is going wonderfully and all is well. Many Thanks to this gentleman for posting an alternative for others whom DIY!! God Bless
Yes, you can do it too!! 💯
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Pls I need your help,I have a 2014 4plug accord,3 starters and 2 batteries in and still the same starting issue,what do u advise me to do??
I also have Accord EX-L V6 that had the starter replaced 18 months ago at 84k because it died, and I had no choice but to tow it to Honda and replace the starter($1000). Now, when I hit the push start button, I get a grinding noise with the initial attempt. Planning to take it back to Honda even though it's out of the 1 yr warranty, hoping they will fix it without charge. Also, need an ABS module $2000 part.
@@pall5114 If it's not too late, please try to follow this video's instructions. Have you tried the older generation starter (2012) with the solenoid on the outside of the starter... the exact same OEM/Honda part number for the starter and gasket??
@@rolex5270 There is another comment on this same video in which states that they replaced the starter multiple times, rotated the flex plate and another that replaced the torque converter too.
Did you purchase and install the older generation (2012) starter and gasket? Did you follow the instructions as mentioned in the video? Did you purchase the OEM/Honda starter with the solenoid on the outside of it?
Since trying the steps mentioned in this video, my 2014 Honda Accord EX-L V6 is working/starting GREAT... no grinding, no multiple start attempts... just place my foot on the brake and press the start button one time quickly. Remember that you will have to grind off that metal bracket so the 2012 starter will fit just like the video explains. I really wish you well and hope that you're able to finally fix your car.
*** Honda will not do what this video shows. You have to Do It Yourself or get someone else to do it for you. Its easy and takes less than 1hr with the correct tools... removal & installation all together. Good Luck!
Had a 2014 I changed to an aftermarket starter and it didn’t work, bought a new oem starter and didn’t work, flywheel didn’t work. Ended up trading it as I read some other possible solutions were expensive. Glad someone found it out. I loved that car.
GRATEFUL TO FIND YOUR CHANNEL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH !
STEP BY STEP .... YOU'RE RIGHT AND REALLY WORK LIKE YOU SAID, AWESOME !
BLESS YOU AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP !
....PEOPLE , EVERYTHING WORKS EXTREMELY WELL , PERFECT ! THANK YOU !!!!
Thanks for watching, glad that the video helped.
Trying it this way first, is for sure cheaper than a NEW Honda starter that doesn't work.
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Thanks for this video. I've been dealing with this issue for years. Did the swap a few days ago and no grinding so far.
Glad the video helped. Yea, we have had it, installed since October of 2023. So over 8 months and over 10,000 miles, on it.
That's awesome
@@adriansandoval2125which starter did you purchase for your swap and also did you rotate the flywheel or just swapped the starter? Thank you
can´t wait for the result... I did the rotation and the refurbished the original... the problem came back in one week
So far I have had the Honda 31200-R70-A51 installed for almost 2 months and over 3,500 miles, no issues at all.
@@gilbosdiy thank you, I appreciate the information you provide us
Which refurbished unit did you use? I used the i
428000- 5380 Denso unit, same model number as @gilbosdiy and so far everything seems fine.
refurbished my own old starter... it didn´t work... @@ns5337
@@ns5337 I had refurbished the original one that came with my car (bad starter part number 31200-5G0-A02), but it didn´t work out. I´ve decided to buy Honda's redesigned starter - part number 31200-5G0-A04, mentioned at TSB 16-002 - and carefully detailed in the description of the video. It has been working so far, 3 months later.
Great video It helped me fix my girlfriends issue with her 2014 accord keep it up
Glad the video helped. Hopefully it saves you a few hundred bucks.
I have been dealing with this for over a year or so. Even bought a new starter and torque converter from Honda. Worked for a couple of months and started doing it again. Just bought a used STARTER from ebay part number Honda 31200-R70-A51 and put on my 2015 Honda Accord and so far so good no starter grind!!! I hope it stays that way. Thanks!!!!
Did you buy your part from eBay or eBay parts cause i have the same issues but I don’t want to get the wrong part or scammed and also am finding them for over 160+
@@Robert79480 ebay just buy a USED one so you not out a ton of money if it doesn't work. I put the part number I listed above, I see it for $63-$115.
@@Robert79480 Yes I did. Worked like a CHAMP. No starter grind at all!!
Just about to this replacement on Saturday, hopefully it works out. Not paying $1000 for Honda to do it.
Glad you found this video helpful. Don't forget you need a dremel tool, to cut the bracket. So the previous gen starter will fit (since it has an external solenoid).
I had the previous gen starter installed for about a year now. Approximately 16K miles.
@@gilbosdiy from your video I am not sure which bracket needs to be cut. I looked around the current starter and can't figure it out. new starter is being delivered tomorrow, will try to do this Saturday.
@@tomzphoneYeah, I forgot to film the bracket that needed to be cut.
If you look at your current starter in the vehicle. Then picture the replacement starter with the solenoid right above it, you will see which bracket I am referring to. Approx 6:19 into video.
@@gilbosdiy thanks, i wonder why the older starter works better, and the correct starter has issues even after replacing it. No issues for the first 40k miles on my 2013. now it has issues starting most of the time.
@@tomzphone I think the 9th gen starter, has a design/ clearance issue. Hence the TSB.
Then again what do I know, I'm clueless, the folks at Honda know more.🙄
I think I figure out the issue with the original starter. It's too weak. Eventually it doesn't engage the torque converter fully and starts to strip metal from the torque converter teeth , making the issue worst over time. I was able to replace the starter with one from 2012 model today. . Did have to cut the bracket, but everything else fit just perfectly. Have been testing and starting the car all day long without a single issue.
Im a hodna tech. the reason u spin the flywheel one more moibting bolt is to make sure the flex plate and starter are within spec.
You are absolutely correct, I know the TSB call for rotating flywheel when replacing the 002 starter with a 004.
The reason I didn't is because I am not replacing with a 004.
Just in case using the previous generation starter doesn't work.
Then I can try and replace with a 004 starter and STILL do the flywheel rotation as per the TSB. As you know, the TSB states if the 004 starter with flywheel rotation doesn't work.
The next option is to only replace the torque converter. Don 't think I want to have to go that route.
So what is the reason the starter does not engage in the first place?
@gilbosdiy Did you dremel the bracket in place? Won't the cutting generate a lot of sparks? What did you do to protect the surrounding areas (hoses) from the sparks?
Yes, I used a dremel to remove what I needed from the bracket to allow the starter to fit.
Wasn't that much spark, but always, keep a fire extinguisher nearby. Just make sure the vehicle is cold, before working on it.
@@gilbosdiy Thanks for your answer. I'm new to Dremel, but I had assumed you used the cutting attachment. So grinding it is better?
I'm curious to know, after a couple months, has the problem returned? That's what happens to my 2015 Accord V6. After the repair, the problem seems to be fixed for a few weeks, then it comes back gradually and gets worse. My first Honda - I thought I was buying quality, but now this problem with no factory recall - I realize I should have bought a Toyota instead.
No, not at all, so far going with the previous generation starter ( I.e. external solenoid) has been just fine. No issues what so ever. The car is driven daily as my wife uses the vehicle drop off and pick up my kid from school. Multiple starts during car pool line.
Incredible that they could have just used the starters they already knew worked@@gilbosdiy
How has this been holding up a year later?
Just fine, no issues.
Good vdi on how to.. Looks pretty easy. Hopefully I won't have to deal with it, but only time will tell. I have a 2016 with only 77,000kms on it so it's relatively new, so I shouldnt expect any problems at this point. How many miles on your Honda and I presume it has the push button start.?
Thanks again for the vid.
My Accord is a 2013 V6, with 190,000 miles (approx 305,000 km). Yes, push button start.
We've had this issue very sporadically since about 100,000 miles (dealer replaced the starter for free at 105,000, 2/18).
Recently it started to happen more often. More than the first go around. Hopefully going with a previous generation starter, will do away with this issue and last longer than 100,000 miles. I rather spend $70 instead of $450.
Thanks for watching, as maintenance requires, I will put more videos up. Hopefully this will help you save a few hundred bucks.
@@gilbosdiy If and when the time should come, I'll certainly opt for this option..depending on availability of parts here...
Just to confirm. The starter that you put on is from a 2012 honda accord V6? correct? I have a 2016 honda accord V6 and i already swapped put the starter once and now im being told i have to replace the fly wheel and some other parts down there as well.
I went with a starter from a previous generation V6 starter. So I picked up a previous generation starter (31200-R70-A51) on eBay for like $70.
Will this work for a 2014 Honda Accord CVT LX?
NO, this is for V6 Accord
Good day..I am going crazy right now,on my 2014 Honda Accord,I have changed 3 starters and 2 batteries..pls wat do you advise me to do..would the 2012 starter work on my 2014 accord??
when I check to see if it fits before i buy it, it says that it doesn't fit to my 2014 honda accord exl v6. is that what it is supposed to say since it is an older generation
You absolutely correct. Watch the entire video. I talk what you need to do. To make it.
i have a 2013 honda accord v6 as well. i have replaced the starter in 2019 and rotated the flywheel. problem was still there, in 2021 i changed the starter again, did not do anything to the flywheel. i want to try your method, can you post the ebay listing?
Thanks for watching. All the parts that I used is listed in the description below the video.
Hope it helps. If you have any more questions, just ask and I'll try and help.
@@gilbosdiy So I got my 428000- 5380 Denso unit yesterday and installed it. So far 5/5 successful starts. I did have to cut that bracket off as well. And I did not rotate the flex plate because I did it in 2019 when I did the starter. Thank you for this video. I hope this fixes the problem.
@@ns5337 Awesome, glad it helped. Yea so far still good on the one I installed in our 2013 Accord. Granted it's only been about 4500 miles.
Friend, thanks for your help. Could you tell me if it is the same as Duralast Starter 19014 from autozone?
I kinda think it sorta looks like the same. The Autozone starter is like over $200. Cheaper to grab one on ebay or junkyard.
@@gilbosdiy Unfortunately for me I had already bought the starter motor for my 2013 Accord coupe v6 at autozone 😢 (it didn't work) and they told me that there was no cash refund, so I was able to exchange it right there for the one from a 2012 Accord v6 I will install it today and let you know how it worked.
@@alejandroh9168 Yeah , in that case, just have them exchange it. Remember you will have to grind away the bracket, in order for the starter to fit. The bracket on the engine gets in the way of the exterior solenoid on the starter.
@@gilbosdiy I've already done it, I've been testing it (5 successful starts, I just changed it today) the starter feels much better than the one supposedly designed for this model. I hope it continues to work as well as it has so far. Thank you very much for your help, I had seen it in forums but it wasn't until I saw it in your video that I was encouraged to do it.
@@alejandroh9168 You are welcome, glad it worked. Thanks again for watching. Please hit the like and subscribe button so we can grow this channel. Stay tuned, I will have another upgrade pretty soon, that I think you will find useful
I'm having a hard time figuring out what part of the "bracket?" I have the grind off for it to fit.
At about the 2:10 mark of the video I remove a bolt that held the LOWER radiator hose (plastic piece, and thin sheet metal shaped piece). It is what the bolt is mounted to.
If you have the two starters side by side current generation and previous generation. You can see the PREVIOUS generation starter, has the solenoid on the exterior of the starter. If you attempted to install the previous generation starter. That solenoid, will hit the bracket, and prevent you from installing the starter.
Hope this helps. If you have anymore question(s), just ask and I'll try and help. Thanks again for watching
@@gilbosdiy Ahhhh that makes a lot of sense now. Super helpful! Thank you!
@@gilbosdiy one more question, is that gasket you bought necessary or can we reuse the gasket from the defective starter?
@@Shahroze_ I bought a new one, since it was only $10-$11 bucks from the dealer. To me not worth the headache reusing, just in case. You can choose to do what is best for you.
@@Shahroze_did you buy the gasket also
I have a 2014 Honda Accord 4 plug with the same issue.. would the 2012 starter work since mine is a 4plug
No, this is for 6 cylinder
@@gilbosdiypls can make a video for Honda 4plug,or tell me what I can do,cos the starter is in a different position (under the sit) and the older model starter does not fit
@@rolex5270 Sorry, I don't have a 4 cylinder Accord, so I can not make a video.
On the 4 cylinder, you have to replace it from under the vehicle, above the oil pan. it will still be 2 bolts. I believe the 2 bolts are 14mm. There is also a 12mm nut for the cable that goes to the battery. Then there is a plug you have to unclip.
Just a couple notes, make. sure to get either a USED Honda starter , or Denso brand. I would not buy off brands from the ebay, or auto parts.
Also make sure to disconnect the battery before removing the starter.
Hope this helps
I have honda accord2015 v6 . My car start grinding now sometimes 2-3 times in day when i start car , some time after some days . So if i change only starter this can be fix ? Or i have to change some more things?
For me, I installed the previous generation starter in my 2013 accord V6 since October and I haven't had any issue with it so far.
My 2016 Honda accord just started doing the “Grinding” noise. I’m looking at 2012 Honda Accord V6 starters, would that be a good option to go with ?
As long as the part number matches you should be fine, (31200-R70-A51). Then, the condition of the starter would be another thing to look at.
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Is this video for V6
Yes, he says that 7 seconds into the video.
Is this a permanent fix?
2014, 140,000 miles, purchased new.
We have been through a NAPA starter, two Honda starters including the updated part number and of course done the TSB with rotation. The intermittent starting and grinding comes back. All of these fix-it videos install a starter and say they've fixed the problem. The vehicle will always start correctly with a newly installed starter but the issue does return.
I mean, you can ask me in a few years if this is a permanent fix or not. For $70, I was willing to try it. I had it installed since October of 2023 and 12K miles on it.
@@gilbosdiy I will probably try your idea asap. I don't have much to lose. The current Honda starter just started grinding again. It took a little over a year, about 20,000 miles for issues to arise again. Unbelievable.
Please link the site you bought the starter from.
I picked the starter up off Ebay. The starter number is Honda 31200-R70-A51.
im going to have to do this to my car im wondering if i still have to spin the flywheel or i can just install the old starter also wondering how long its lasted since this video
I installed the previous gen starter WITHOUT rotating the flywheel.
I've had installed since October 2023, with around 12K miles. No issues yet.
@@gilbosdiy thank you for your reply. I am currently trying to find the part but it seems like I can’t find so I’m not sure if I can use one from a 2012 Honda accord exl v6
@@abrahamiservera6279 Search for a used starter with the part number, instead of by just Accord. That starter was used on alot of the Honda V6 vehicles. Pilot, Odyssey, Accord, Acura
Just buy a cheap old one off eBay.
@@gilbosdiyok thank you so much I have to find that part. The car you worked in in this video is a 2013 Honda accord exl v6?
@@abrahamiservera6279Yes it is a 2013 EX-L V6
Do you need to buy the new gasket as well?
Just got this done today works so far but we’ll see!
@@emaan3259did you buy the gasket also
So if I have a 2014 I need to buy a 13 year model starter?
No, 2014 and 2103 use the same starter. You need a starter from a previous generation V6 vehicle (i.e. before 2012). If you look at the description below the video, I have a part number of the starter listed that will work with the V6 Accord.
Hope this helps. If you have anymore question(s) just ask.
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Thank you so much for the info. Greatly appreciated sir.
Still no problems?
Thanks for watching. So far so good still , 9 months over 10,000 miles.
Has this method held up ?
Thanks for watching, So far so good, only been a few weeks since I installed.
how is it riding so far?
All good, since the October 2023 install. Thanks for watching.
Alright adding it to my weekend list to hopefully solve the issue!
you only need to rotate the flywheel one screw you don't have to spend 1c
What do you mean? Can you give details on this? What is the problem with the design?
lol… just hack of bits and pieces.. That’s what I want to hear from my mechanic… lol
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