Omar Suleiman: Palestine, Gaza, Oct 7, Israel, Resistance, Faith & Islam | Lex Fridman Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 30 май 2024
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0:00 - Introduction
1:36 - Oct 7
10:32 - Palestinian diaspora
14:47 - Wael Al-Dahdouh
29:39 - Violence
53:17 - Biden and Trump
1:06:28 - Ceasefire march
1:16:42 - Benjamin Netanyahu
1:23:44 - Houthi rebel attacks
1:25:21 - Hostages
1:31:41 - MLK Jr and Malcolm X
1:44:22 - Palestinian refugees
1:53:32 - Muhammad and Jesus
2:04:24 - Al-Aqsa Mosque
2:13:22 - Ramadan
2:18:14 - Hope for the future
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1:36 - Oct 7
10:32 - Palestinian diaspora
14:47 - Wael Al-Dahdouh
29:39 - Violence
53:17 - Biden and Trump
1:06:28 - Ceasefire march
1:16:42 - Benjamin Netanyahu
1:23:44 - Houthi rebel attacks
1:25:21 - Hostages
1:31:41 - MLK Jr and Malcolm X
1:44:22 - Palestinian refugees
1:53:32 - Muhammad and Jesus
2:04:24 - Al-Aqsa Mosque
2:13:22 - Ramadan
2:18:14 - Hope for the future
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What date was this podcast recorded?
Islam is a sick culture. You have lot of evidence throughout the history. and even in current scenario just see around the world and see how they think.
Did you even push back on this guy at all??
it was insufferable how you allowed omar spew all that gaslight bs without giving any pushback or even engaging questions. you let your plarform get hijacked there
1:54:24 Quran5/73: "those who claim allah is part of a trinity are to be punished painfully". Q98/6: "jews christians and polytheists are the worst of creatures"
Q9/29: "fight those who disbelief until they submit". Q48/29: "muslims be kind to eachother and harsh against non-muslims"
Prfmad in SahihBukhari2926(&Muslim); "kill the jews until the end of time when rocks and trees call out where they hide"
This is what an interview is all about. You let the person speak, and let them tell their stories. You don't interrupt them and force them to say what you want them to say to suit your narration. Well done Lex. Thank you!
If this is your standard for best interview, than people telling lies or fairy tales would just "tell their stories" without host using any of his knowledge to dig deeper or contradict the guest.
Yes, the best interview is one where a demented Jew-hating cultist can spew his hatred without being questioned.
@@Peteruspl what was there to refute -nothing
Just say don’t be Piers Morgan lol
@@Peteruspl if they had anything to refute it was welcome -
Thank you for having Dr. Omar Suleiman on!
Thank you for your commitment in favor of Palestine! Thank you for being a beacon of spiritual knowledge in the US and the West! Thank you for your ethical endeavor to raise awareness among Muslims and non-Muslims in the world.
❤
@@bouchtaab8281 fact check: Dr. Suleiman has claimed that homosexuality is a disease and that cheating women deserve death
For some reason, a friend posted this show and I commented: Ho boi, You need to learn a lot more About these guys rather than From these guys! 🤣🤨
My people suffered a thousand times worse fate by the hands of the Ottoman Turks when 1.5 million of my compatriots were genocided in a year in the Syrian deserts, but they kept their dignity and never committed such evil acts. Just a few months ago 150k of my compatriots got ethnically cleansed from their homeland by Azeri Turks in a single day, yet we never committed such an evil act. And I bet none of you even heard about these events. So please stop trying to justify the extreme hatred that Palestinians have against Jews.
Wow super detailed interview. And very civil and respectful, nice antidote to the constant obnoxious interruptions of Piers Morgan 🤮
As Lex said once: "I do not understand how humans can be so cruel to each other."
God bring peace,love,end wars and suffering !
That's all very hippy-dippy of you. Crack open a history book, or watch the Discovery channel. There is no end to this behaviour/reality, it is in our base nature. It should be very easy for Lex to understand given how smart he is. What Lex lacks is experiencing this type of violence to those he loves or himself, then he would easily understand how and why this behaviour continues. It is natural.
As a Uyghur, I have immense respect for Dr. Omar Suleiman. He is one of the few Islamic scholars who stood firm in his support for us Uyghurs when most of the Islamic world threw us Uyghurs under the bus for their hatred against the West, for their corrupt governments, and for the benefit of having good relations with China.
cenk is fat
Commie muslim who loves china? WTF
Our prayers and thoughts are always with you, praying for real leaders for the muslim countries who actually take action and stand for all the Muslims around the world 🙏🙏
Yaxshimu
Crying like a lil b🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm a non-religious agnostic, and I found this interview, with its focus on human dignity and spirit, to be transcendent and inspiring. Peace be upon YOU, Omar Suleiman!
WHY: The Islamic states need an enemy to justify their brutal treatment of their own people. This why they kill babies.
I felt exactly the same way... couldn't hold back the tears
I heard dogma but I’ve spent decades studying every religion and it’s social and political uses
Just emotional rhetoric.
Soft spoken, but too emotional glossy take.
Most of what he says is total lies, but hey, he’s charming so you’ll believe anything he says
I do know about Wael and his story, his son hamza. I have to admit, no I didn’t think about Palestine before Oct 7th, I knew there was troubles, wars over there I did try understand what was going on back in 2014. Maybe I was a different person but I came away thinking “ok it’s just the same as the England /Ireland struggle. It got through this time.
Although it was the Oct 7 that sparked it in me and yes I was crying for what happened Israel I learned very quick what is really happening. I haven’t stopped learning since.
I’m sorry, I didn’t give the Palestinians the time they deserve, but I’ll never stop speaking up now.
My experience was similar. I'm in the US and guessing you are too. Not to give us excuses for not getting more info, but we are HEAVILY propagandized by corporate media here. Thanks for your comment. The comment section is full of people who don't seem willing to look at Palestinians as fully human, to consider their concerns as equal to that of the Israelis. Not all, but a sizeable contingent.
I think the level of hatred & injustice here is on a scale never seen in 20th century Ireland. As an Irishman I have to say I’m proud of our governments stance but unfortunately we are very much in the minority amongst so called developed nations. History will be far kinder to our stance than that of the US, UK, France, Germany etc.
Thank u
Dumbest comment I have read.
Tom from Ireland 🇮🇪 here , what an amazing interview , we in Ireland were subjected to the starvation to death by the British enoire and mass displacement over 1,000,000 of our people died , and I’m so disgusted to what is being done to the Palestinian people by the isralie machine , I don’t know what comment I can add that would make anyone feel any better , the only hope is an international force can get in there to protect the people and help rebuild , don’t let the isralies get your gas and oil that’s in my opinion the key to rebuilding .peace and thanks lex for another brilliant interview
Loved visiting Ireland ...good people
How can you compare both?
@@MazingerZ-Kojihow can you not?
Ireland & Palestine
@@MazingerZ-Koji bc it's common sense- did you even watch the episode or do you just like trolling?
What's extremely depressing is not how politicians have corrupt souls, it's how the public has become complicit and ok with atrocities to human life. It's a terrifying time.
It's only the westerners the global south cares Palestinians
The problem is most people(Americans) dont know the truth. They don’t travel or look for both sides. They watch whatever the side they are on agrees
After October 7th attacks, what would you had liked to see from Israel? @@acmb6763
The public is NOT complicit. The public votes for human issues and politicians then attack each other militarily. Armies are controlled by the few, NOT THE PEOPLE. Americans by and large support Peace. The IDF and Hamas are the violent men who let their own Satanic hearts kill each other and the people around them.
@@acmb6763I think this is half correct. Omar wasn't wrong about apathy, and Americans while sure, can be ignorant and misinformed, are increasingly apathetic to not only global issues or issues afar, but also those here at home.
Still I think ignorance and misinformation is a scapegoat many use to blame the fact that they will not do what is needed to truly tackle issues that require a great amount of work and sacrifice to even nudge in the right direction.
We willingly accept the massive gun voilence here, child homelessness, weaponized poverty, religious extremism, class elitism, and nationalized racial supremacy movements, not just from whites either.
Why? My guess is that the price to get that changed has become so steep that almost all of us are unwilling to pay the actual price...
Quit working? Leave your homes? Risk starvation or even death from months of protesting? Most of what we would like to change most have truly unfathomable walls we would need to tear down and reform... And when we've tried, we've failed. To do that for the Palestinians? That's just not going to happen here sadly even if it should. There's no way we have enough people to topple the wall of american geopolitical alliances and agreements, we'd need to reform our goverment and void all treaties we have. All of them, and start fresh with the new American direction that isn't rooted in imperialism and exploitation...
We'd need to reform the very identy of a profit based capatilist system where human cost isn't at a lesser level of importance as financial cost or the lesser evil mentality we use to justify our lack of empathy.
The hippie movement and the Vietnam protests? LA Riots? Occupy Wallstreet? Black lives matter? Did any of that bring about true change? Could anyone say the people won with those movements? Shit even the feminist movements changes are being reversed, and that was one of our more successful movements in our history.
Pessimism, Apathy... Sure is a part of it, but to expect the america citizens to do something? The 48% of us in poverty? Working paycheck to paycheck just to survive? The single mothers and fathers working multiple jobs? Yes, we do not have oppression here like some of the worse off areas in the world, but oppression is oppression.
In the land of the free, you can also be freely oppressed by those with more power. Just because a wage is being paid, does not mean most americans are not wage slaves to systems and elites.
Sorry for the essay, but you seemed like the type to at appreciate a well thought out response.
And to any none American reading this, I am truly sorry and ashamed. I hope someday we learn freedom is worth nothing if we don't use it to free others into a world that is loving and kind, not bitter and destroyed.
TLDR: America is so fucked we hardly have any empathy and compassion for each other, America is not the America we put on display in our media. There is no help here... May the light protect you my Palestinian friends, in this life or the next.
The hate crime on a 6year old boy absolutely broke my heart. So much hatred.
True, Islam should wake up, If they want anybody to like them.
Truly heartbreaking
The older I get the more I realise humans are so fucking tribal when it comes to skin colour
A 6 year old boy who ran up to him and called him Uncle. The innocence, the bright happy world he exists in. I cannot even imagine the pain. And to think acts like that are not even rare and true evil definitely exists in this world.
How evil the world can be. Heartbreaking...
What a beautiful articulation of the worst situation on earth. Great conversation!
the problem that he is not speaking AT ALL about all the peace offers to Arab leaders that were DECLINED each and every time.
the problem that he is not speaking about the REAL thing that the arabs wants: 100% of Israel. They are not thriving for a two states solution. But he is articulate... way to go.
So Yemen is better right?
Terrible misleading conversation
I'm korean-kazakh, and I'm listening to him and just crying😭😭😭How could we call themselves human if something like that is happening in front of us😢
I feel as though I have just ridden an emotional roller coaster. Bless Lex for inviting Imam Suleiman to tell the story of the people of Palestine and the nature of Islam.
the problem with Suleiman is that he is a Radical Islamist whose ultimate goal is a global Caliphate
they generally argue in bad faith, every action a calculated strategy on how to expand the Caliphate at the expense of Western Civilization
he of course has the right to discuss Palestine, being a Palestinian - but you have to understand who this dude is
he of course isn't even-handed toward Hamas or the problems they cause, the fact they don't recognize Israel's right to exist and wants the entire territory from the "river to the sea"
dude straight up a taqiyya propagandist like Mehdi Hasan lying straight to your face
Thank you for listening to our struggles across the United States and even in Palestine. I’m a second generation Palestinian so I still hear stories from the things my mom had gone through as a child to her teens until she had got married and moved to United States I’m glad I’m here. I love this country and I’ll do anything for it but sometimes I feel like I’m a second class citizen in United States, something my mother went through in Palestine. Do you understand why our struggle is real and I’m always in fear not for me but for my mother since she wears a hijab.
I would recommend you to watch the Lex podcast with Mohammed al kurd , few months back, it was also very insightful and eye opening..Got me rid of an emotional rollercoaster as well
Arab propaganda.
The nature of Islam? You think this nice gentle guy speaks for all 2 billion? That's quite an overgeneralisation in the name of not being phobic. Ironic.
We've arrived at the Far Left who are supposed to be militant atheists and for LGBT rights, supporting Hamas Hezbollah and Houthis whom murder LGBT in the name of their holy texts.
Admittedly not all of Islam is terrible and they are tarred by terrorists. Just like the West is tarred by Israel's excessive response.
Still, did you know some Muslims consider Hamas and other Iranian proxy terrorist groups "haram" for murdering innocents?
INCLUDING PALESTINIANS.
The fact that they have been turned into faceless numbers with no stories and with no humanity makes it that much more important for us to tell their stories here and to remind the world that you have lost your humanity if you can watch it unfold and not even have the decency to call for a ceasefire.
What did these people expect when they started it?
Started what?
@@mohammedalkhatib7623 The latest increase in violence.
You mean the genocide of people of Gaza?
With rabid dogs there is no story to tell ...
Cant help pouring tears through this podcast
Don't worry. He was lying on almost everything
we are with you in your tears and humanity...not alone
You are lying to yourself@@richardh7231
Dr Omer talk always reaches the deepest recesses of my soul
Islamic terrorism tends to do that to people
Thank you Lex for inviting Omar Suleiman on your show and for letting him speak... A well spoken respectable man. Much respect to you both.
This is how you know Lex's integrity is unmatched. Love it!
These days I just catch myself in tears every time I listen to independent news that tell us the truth about the world. I am not Arab, but I am a human being and my heart breaks when I see such atrocities done to my kin, other humans.
you are far from a human being
Much respect for this man’s ability to calmly describe the most awful human experience. Very powerful.
Honestly we live in such a ridiculous and fucked up world it’s breath taking. Beyond understanding.
PAX AMERICANA ( for now ) 🙂
Lex has the best podcast on RUclips, hands down
For sure he's know the right people on the perfect podcast
Not this one. This man is disgusting and abhorrent
Absolutely
Yeah he should host an other antisemite next. Then he should host hitler next .
I think he is brilliant interviewing scientists but useless in political or business interviews. The reason is that science is just about knowledge, about truth ... while political actors always have an agenda, as do businessmen. He just opens his platform to everyone and invites them to say whatever they want. With a scientist or engineer, you get their view of the truth, with political actors or business people you can their spin.
In this particular interview, not a single word about what Hamas has done on Oct 7th. I am assuming everything Suleiman said is 100% true ... but so much was unsaid about the horrors of Hamas. When Lex interviewed Netanyahu, it was the exact same, total spin from the opposite side. Same when he interviewed business people, we allowed them total spin, unchecked and untempered.
With interviews on science or technology, it was brilliant. But Lex's format just doesn't work with people that have an agenda, you need to approach this as a journalist.
I wish I could learn Arabic from Dr. Soleiman.
He’s so good at explaining everything for people who can’t think like human beings
Lex Friedman has taken podcasts to new heights with this eye-opening interview. If this isn’t true journalism I don’t know what is.
sitting in a room talking to 1 guy isnt journalism, its just 1 point of view...
@@wiaken90still, if you search his channel you find he sits in a room as it may, with so far 411 people from all sides of the isle. Practically, we are limited by being able to collect and listen to one point of view at a time
@@altheeaself76 100% this guy is one of the most unbiased people I've seen on the internet. No matter what his personal point view is he tries to listen to all points of views .. evident .. this is what we need more of in the world .. may he be guided to what's best for him and humanity.
what exactly open your eyes can you specify? because I think I might be blind
@@jehovahgaming7859 sometimes the hearts are blind not the eyes ;)
Knowledgeable, thoughtful and honourable. Answers questions clearly and without obfuscation, without shouting and without getting angry. If the people in power could match Omar Suleiman then maybe there would be a chance to sit round a table and sort some problems out.
well said
Thanks Lex! For this very needed conversation. Thanks to Dr Omar Suleiman!
This man is so intellectual, calm and collective. I find his voice so soothing and his insights so inspiring.
Don’t be fooled he doesn’t talk about how every Palestinian parent expects their children to want to kill Jews that every family has a relative belonging to terrorist factions he didn’t mention unwra all that money 💰 Americans gave to Palestinians and they used it for weapons and tunnels I’m tired of our taxes going overseas
I really like Lex Fridman's interview style - He always asks informed questions in a simple clear way, and the lets the other tell his story without interrupting... And Omar Suleman: It was a pleasure and a privilege to hear a short glimpse through your eyes.
Hi, can you pls give me a time spot where to listen find which is admirable. thnx
@@davidhabart53230:00
It is hard to listen to when he starts going on and on about love and beauty.
You can't good will your way out of everything.
@@BAD_CONSUMER
Listen again when he speaks about MLK and Malcolm and how they got Blacks out of oppression. Focus on the violence of the oppressive not the oppressed.
Thank you Lex Fridman for this truly enlightening and knowledgeable discussion and giving Dr. Omar Suleiman the opportunity to answer valuable questions, really grateful for this honest discussion ❤
Mind Begs the Question:
- If USA/West Leadership
- Censors criticism of Nazi Policies
- Starvation,Death Camps,Ethnic Cleansing,etc
- Pro Democracy or Pro Nazi?
Dr. Omar is an incredible orator. He illustrates what we feel, but so eloquently allows us to have our story told. A story of humanist
Humanity which is silenced by Israeli lobbyists and US media
This is a wise and humble man who should be listened to as he has the power to bring people together. That’s needed very much in this time of polarization and division.
This must be divine strength to be able to speak about so much pain with a smile on your face ❤❤.
It's concealed rage - taqiyya
@@robertpetrie5485keep crying 😭 you 🤡
@@robertpetrie5485did u just learn that expression? good boy!
small tip in the future ,search it's meaning n who abides or not abides to it ,
i would before i embarass myself online
Oh boy, what kind of garbage our planet is carrying!@@robertpetrie5485
@@robertpetrie5485 I think your sentiment applies to yourself more than anyone else, so full of hatred and rage. Get help!!!
Omar vs Ben Shapiro
Uff. Can you imagine. This will be as close to violence we can get in a verbal debate possible.
@@akhiltrc9708god damn well put, absolutely would be that and I’d pay good money to watch it
Omar is not a university student so it's not possible
💀
Lmao, Ben couldn't even won a debate with a highschool student 💀
I can't realize that after this episode someone could possibly won't understand what's happening in this world
you should read some of the comments, truly it's not the eyes that are blind, but the hearts.
He does speak calmly.
But forget the cause and focus on symptoms.
The cause is the refusal of Palestinians to acknowledge their defeat in the 48' war and the fact the the Jewish state is here to stay.
They had at least 5 opportunities to establish their state, but chose not to because it would mean they accept Israel as the Jewish state.
No one accepts a state of killers and murderers. They proudly tell the worlds about their intentions, its pretty clear who are the terrorists but no, keep living in denial and be known as one of those people who used to support nazi germany back in the day,
@@itsikmizso you genocide them? Cool amazing excuse
@@Wise__guy stupid and unintelligent response. Do your homework before using this language.
Dropping this one a week after the Shapiro / Bonnell one is perfect timing. Thank you Lex, you are a legend.
Why do you think this is in opposition to Shapiro/ Bonnell (Destiny)?
@@megavide0Maybe he didn't think it was opposition, but that it would further hype up an upcoming 1v1 or 2v2 debate on Palestine and Israel of which Destiny is very likely to be on the panel.
@@megavide0 they very obviously disagree on isreali policy. bonnel said as soon as someone says "colonial" he stop listening to anything they have to say. omar uses that term a lot. that is obviously the tip of the iceberg as to where they disagree on isreal and palestine.
@@megavide0I’m not even being mean man, but if you can’t see why then you’re just incompetent
@@boris6237 why would he stop listening to what they have to say if they say "colonial". The founders of zionism described it as colonialism. Would he not have had a conversation with them back in the day?
“I’m grateful but I’m also in pain.” -Omar. I could hear in your voice how hard you tried at many different points to not break down and cry. To remain strong. God bless you and protect you.
Lex with another excellent interview, he allows the guests to make their positions clear and lets the listeners decide what to think. Independent media at it's best.
Lex has the best podcast on the internet, hands down. He never interrupts to impose his own biases like Piers Moron. He just asks simple, geniune, open-minded curious questions and lets the guest speak. Thank you Lex for such a great episode. May God protect and preserve you for the world and guide you to the right path. 🙏
This, Lex truly is amazing for letting his guests speak without interrupting or trying to cut someone off mid speech, shows that he really does want to listen to what they say and understand it. Unlike Piers who just shouts at his guests and cuts them off every 10 seconds, he could learn a thing or two from Lex!!
I am American Christian woman and I CARE DEEPLY about the people of Gaza. I'm praying for you. I DO NOT support Israel or any war in the middle east. I promise to vote for anyone that is for peace and equality.
Are you living on the Indian lands?
@@MeRA-1675shut up zio bot
religion is cancer
If people voted only for peace, the merchants of death would overthrow the government
Jews, Christian, Muslim we all pray to the same god..I hope god put an end to all this and help all the good people (if there is any god)
Beautiful conversation. I won't forget 🙏
You made me cry Dr. Omar Suleiman 😭
Thank you for having Dr. Omar Suleiman on again
Yeah, his whining is great.
Yeah, we never get tired of the taqiyya and crying victim
brother this omar suleiman is a deviant who calls for protests, which scholars have warned against. beware of him he has been refuted
Are you typing this on your S24 ultra?
Yes, it’s being a while since we last got fed some misinformation. Thank you @lexfridman from helping spread lies, for having zero fact-checking, for helping having the war extended, for letting Dr hate on your show, for letting this mass rape and baby beheading denier spread his lies.
I'm surprised at Lex Friedman's honesty and bravery to reveal the truth, no matter how controversial an issue is.
Lex Fridman has been a fearless soul to listen to people's suffering and their plight.
This bravery to speak for the truth is highly commendable.
I think the terms "bravery" and "hero" and such have lost all meaning. Lex has the whole US propaganda machine of the entertainment industry and corporate news orgs as well as the President of the United States and all of Congress supporting his viewpoint. Where does "bravery" fit into that scenario? In the US, being pro Zionism is literally the safest most favored talking point by almost every standard standards.
An amazing man Omar Suleiman. Very moving to hear what he says. Thanks for having him as a guest. There is no way anyone can justify what is being done to the Palestinians in Gaza. It is Genocide, it is cruel and heartless. The response to 7th Oct. was anger and hatred. Nobody looks at the larger picture of oppression and racism. No violence is good, but I do understand why it was done. Nobody was listening to the Palestinians..We must persue a just and permanent solution to this, otherwise it will go on and on. Thank you Omar and Lex.
Thank you Dr. Lex for having Shiekh Omar on. Such talk bring us closer together and I'm sure it'll affect our collective consciousness for the better.
Stay Away From Islam. It is a death cult !!!!!
Difficult not to cry
Indeed. Spreading the truth helps significantly
pretty easy actually
i've been checking in from time to time with your pods and this one was stellar his calm loving voice and the unbearable pain he and his community are suffering are truly unimaginable.
He speaks like a very genuine man. Truth rings like a bell. Refreshing to hear.
JFC, you are sucker.
It is too bad...but if the majority of 'palestinians' want the annihilation of Israel, call it the "occupation", because 50 Islamic states in the world is okay, but 1 teeny tiny Jewish state in the world isn't, you really expect Israel to just allow that to happen?
There are approx. 50 Islamic dominated states in the world. Does any one of them have free speech, freedom of religion, womens rights, gay rights, etc?
@@serpentines6356 30000 with no free speech, not counting the headless babies under rubble
@@serpentines6356 it would be hard to formulate a more ignorant statement. Teeny tiny Jewish state? Did you not listen to the podcast? Of course you didn't. Your comment leaves out everything that would be relevant...namely, the 75 year oppression of the indigenous by mostly white Europeans. Settler colonialism, backed up by the US empire is the issue
This was long over due props for u giving us such a peaceful and rational voice on this ongoing matter
I can divide the interview into "Palestinian concerns" and "Islam". On the first part, what strikes me most is Omar's lack of bigotry, his sincerity, the simplicity of the answers he gives - one need not be sophisticated to understand his point. On the second part, I find his notion "the life of a single person being more important than any place of worship" (paraphrased) radical to my conception of islam. Lex question to him concerning criticisms on Islam being a violent religion was not satisfactory at least to a non muslim who basically observes, he kind of said, "look man, the Quran says otherwise", I woud have prefer a counter intuitive response to that because we see something different. Nevertheless, thanks for coming out to let us hear the other side of the story, I've never believed legacy media 100%, I knew something was missing. I have faith that peace would be brought to Palestine, I hope for a ceasefire and my love is not wanting.
I thought I was hard as a nail but I could not resist my tears while listening to this man. Despite the hellish experience of his people, he remains composed. I shuddered thinking the world was complicit in the destruction and decimation of his people. What happens to us humans?
I don't know where have you been while muslim were decimating Zoroastrians, Armenians,, Bangladeshi, Yazidis, Kurds and currently ongoing - Georgians....What comes around goes around.
@@michaelrzepinski9975 we’re talking about occupation Muslim have never occupied any land. Unlike the Europeans are known for occupation and barbar1sm
@@michaelrzepinski9975 let’s not forget it is the Europeans, who kicked out the Jews of every country in Europe, who committed the worst genocide in human history. It was Europeans. The Palestinians took the Jews in as refugees. When the European Jews committed genocide and occupy the land, it was the Europeans who recognize Israel as a state. It’s the European who are openly and proudly supporting this occupation for 76years one of the worst occupation in an apartheid regime in human history.
If this particular podcast were MadLibs and you took out all of the names and the places and left them as blanks to be completed, you could fill in all oppressed groups. Women being one of those groups.
It is horrific, has been horrific and will continue to be so unless something gives.
Men are rough and they can’t get enough. Why is that?
@Hannan-ut2ld Careful what you say there when you say Palestinians welcomed in Jews. There was a great deal of xenophobia in the British Mandate of Palestine towards the Jews between 1920 to 1947. I recommend you to read up on the history of Amin al-Husseini before realising no side was truly perfect and good. In addition to that, the present day land of Jordan (4 times larger than Israel) was part of the British Mandate of Palestine for a good number of those years.
I agree media can be biased but it goes both ways in respect to this war. Certain Gaza "journalists" have been reported to be affiliated with Hamas and by journalists they could be ordinary people with social media following rather than one that does journalism as a career.
Thank you Lex. You really won miy respect with giving a platform to Omar Suleiman to be able to talk about the biggest issue of our time for moany in the muslim world! I had watched you before, but delighted to subscribe to you as have show yourself to be a man for truth!
Let me tell you ,every time I listen to imam Sulaiman I learn so much about a wide variety of subjects that he talks about , so knowledgeable and soft spoken, I fully support Freedom of Palestine.🇦🇫🇦🇫🇦🇫🇦🇫🇦🇫🇦🇫🇦🇫❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
This is one of the most humbling podcasts I've ever listened to. Couldn't have been easy, Lex. This was an important one. Thanks for sharing
What are you suggesting without actually saying? What is so "not easy" or as some have said "brave" about Lex Fridman sitting in a room with Palestinian talking about the decades of systematic marginalization of his community and faith? Why is that so deeply challenging? It seems like it would be a breath of fresh air unless one has internalized a lot baseless stereotypes of a whole people. Lex seems a lot more uncomfortable hearing a peaceable, soft-spoken man describing what the state of Israel has done to his family and friends and of the subsequent trauma of all Palestinians everywhere, than he did allowing Kanye West onto his podcast to spout utter hate for hours. Explain that to me.
@@raincadeifythe tone of your post is already antagonistic which takes away from the core of what you are trying to communicate. Try a softer tone, first. I believe it will help you get to, and the people who matter more.
Also, sometimes people are in search of a narrative or deeper meaning that is simply not there. Lex is doing the work that others are not. It's important for these discussions to be brought into the mainstream is all.
@@werunninhard My apologies. I agree that tone is important. If mine was counter productive, it wasn't my goal.
Incredible session indeed! Thank you our beloved brother Lex! Thank you our beloved Imam Omar Suleiman! Forever grateful to you both 🙏❤️💖❤️.
What a fantastic interview, well done.
" The first time the phrase “human animal” was recorded in history was by himmaliar, in The Posen speech to SS officers (6 October 1943) - On the 7th, it is crucial to understand that there were no direct attacks on civilians, only collateral damage. Out of the 1148 total names on haaret dataset, 473 military and 675 were civilians.
Ratio of civilians to military personnel killed on the 7th was 1 . 4 : 1 - lower than any of the iTf "mowing" operations, which has a ratio of 7 : 1
According to UN OCHA data from 2008 to 2022; The collateral damage on the 7th was significantly lower than any of the ITf "mowing" operations, which had a ratio of 7:1 with 1,023 military personnel out of 6,541 total. On the 7th, with 473 military (418 were iTf military personnel, 55 belonged to the police) out of 1148 total, the ratio of civilians to military personnel was a mere 1.4:1
When including all casualties, not just deaths, the collateral damage ratio of the "mowing" operations is a staggering 162:1
From the 161,233 accumulated civilian casualties over only 14 years of "mowing" operations.
A 162 :1 ratio means that for every 162 civillians, 1 military personnel is a casualty. The 7th had a ratio of 1.4:1, more than a hundred times lower.
The 473 are - 55 soldiers, 13 privates, 59 corporals, 200 sergeants (45 of whom were sergeant majors), 48 commanders, 32 lieutenants, 5 lieutenant colonels, 6 colonels, 37 officers, 10 inspectors, 6 intendents, and 2 Lance Corp. This was a military defeat, and they are taking it out on the rest.
The reported ages of the victims are as follows:
0-4: 2 civilians
5-12: 8 civilians
13-17: 14 civilians
18-25: 132 civilians
26-40: 119 civilians
41-60: 55 civilians
61+: 40 civilians
Active duty military personnel:
18-25: 258 active duty military personnel
26-40: 60 active duty military personnel
41-60: 17 active duty military personnel
61+: 1 active duty military personnel
haaretz datasheet titled title: xsraxl's Dead: The Names of Those Killed in Hxmxs Attacks, Mxssxcres and the xsrxel-Hxmxs Wxr
There is a more detailed report of of oct 7th titled "I scrapped the information about 1096 of the 1460 killed on 7th of October Attack. Children Less than 1%"
-Yocheved Lifshitz account - 'they treated us well'
-Yasmin Porat account - 'i.T.f kxilled my husband'
Civilians were taken to have swaps for the civilians rotting in prisons without charge on the other side. An excess of ten thousands, all before the seventh
UN Human Rights Office (UN OCHA) PA Civilians 2008-2023:
2008 - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440.
2012 - 3,992 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 255.
2014 - 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492.
2018 - 31,259 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 300.
2019 - 15,491 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 138.
2020 - 2,581 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 30.
2021 - 19,183 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 349.
2022 - 10,345 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 191.
2023 up to September - 8,508 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 227.
civilian deaths on the other side -
2008: 3 , 2012: 6 , 2014: 73 , 2018: 9
2019: 10 , 2020: 0 , 2021: 9 , 2022: 26
Total; 2008 up to September 2023 - 161,233 PA Civilian Casualties, 1,023 military personnel.
Wounded includes: amputees from the deliberate targeting of knees by snipers, white phosphorous third degree body burns, etc
The "Costs of War" study by brown in 2021 has these figures for the past 20 years of engagement of US policy: indirect deaths 4.5-4.7 million, direct 905-940,000 ; in other words 6 Million Deaths and 38 million displaced. This is relevant because of the Yinon Plan.
Stay Away From Islam. It is a death cult !!!!!
All he do is spread lies and hate
You are so well spoken and so informative. I can only speak for myself, I shed tears daily seeing the pain the agony and the lack of humanity that can allow such things to happen I am so sorry that the Palestine people have been treated this way for decades my heart is with all of you.. I would also like to say that after watching these videos in Palestine it is clear to see how beautiful and resilient you all are and the Children really amaze me with their smiles that keep shining through and the closeness of the people all makes me realize that the disgusting excuses for human’s that are taking part in this genocide are scared because they could not endure a fraction of this and still hold faith . ❤ I hope one day when the Palestines are free I can learn all about your culture because I think it is beautiful ! ❤
Your words come from a beautiful soul, I advise you to listen to Dr. Omar videos from Yaqeen institute 😊
“The trauma of the past does not justify the murder or the present. The fear of the future does not justify the murder of the present”
If Palestinians truly feel this way, then why does a Palestinian state require an army? If the Palestinians have no intention of using that army against the Israelis, and they truly intend to live with no fear of the future, then why do they need an army? If you say that they need the ability to protect themselves then you're admitting that they want a sense of security as a hedge against anyone coming to harm them in the future yet you act like Israel shouldn't have that concern? Over the course of the last century the Palestinians have led at least three distinct attempts to genocide the Jewish people, so why isn't it reasonable for Israel to anticipate a future attempt of that nature, particularly after the level of depravity exhibited on October 7th?
@@SnowsStorm1simply because thats a different case. use your brain if you have one
@@septiilham8715 people who no argument often resort to ad hominem attacks to make it seem as if they do. Good job.
@@septiilham8715 and you clearly are trying to gloss over the original argument. The OP is implying that the fear israel has for the safety and well being of its people can't be used to justify its pursuit of Hamas. It's an intellectually dishonest argument that reveals itself on a number of levels not the least of which is in the Palestinians demands for an army. If I follow the OPS thinking why should the Palestinians even raised the issue of an army if the Israelis are willing to offer land and peace? The only argument they would have is to protect their people on which case how I wouldn't that waking as "the fear of the future being used to justify the murder of the presence, particularly when it's the Palestinians who attacked iq 1929, who attacked in 1936 through 1939, who literally joined the N*zi military and met with hi+!er himself, who tried to annihilate the Jewish people in 1948, who created the casus belli behind the war in 1967, who planned to ethnically cleanse the land of Jews, in 1973, who conducted two violent intifada campaigns in more recent years and who committed one of the most barbaric atrocities of the modern age on October 7 just to prevent Israel from reaching a peace deal with Saudi Arabia. If you weren't. Of all that Israel has endured, perhaps I'm not the one who needs to do a little more thinking about things.?
@@SnowsStorm1 yup! no brain
Thank you for having this conversation, for creating space for Dr Suleiman to speak in the way you did, and for probing into contentious regions with enduring respect and care. This is a deeply complex issue that has been making me feel ridiculously small and ignorant for a very long time, so I'll be the first to say I know nothing, but I do believe that honouring the humanity of the people in the centre of it all is essential to figuring out any potential solution - both in terms of protecting them in all ways possible, and understanding that humans will react in certain ways to the suffering they have endured, and that can't be extracted from consideration. Humanity, for better and worse, is intrinsic to this problem, yet so commonly sideswiped in the rhetoric. I worry that the people who most need to listen to this will refuse to, but am hopeful that converations like this will filter through our collective consciousness and move the needle in humanity's favour.
WHY: The Islamic states need an enemy to justify their brutal treatment of their own people. This why they kill babies.
Thank you for letting Dr Suleiman talk. Much appreciation for you decency and unbiased questions.
This is not a complex issue. It's very clear. US has portrayed it as complex.
@@jauharshahbaz it may not have been complex once, but it seems to me an obvious transgression, based upon a lie, was doubled down on over and over again, to the point that there are now millions of incredibly damaged, desperate people. The damage can't be undone. The tremendous fear and chaos it instilled can't be walked back now. Equally, the structures that have been built upon it can't be carpet-bombed without consequence. So, logistically, how to actually move forward looks very complicated to me. But everything I know is second hand. I'm not from the US, but I've certainly been exposed to US opinions.
Suleiman is very dishonest. He deceitfully edited the anecdotes to demonize Israel and seek pity for Palestinians. _Peaceful_ protestors don't hurl molotovs and rocks, and try to breach a border fence unless you hear Suleiman tell the story.
Respect for Lex for inviting the people who speak the truth.
I wonder how much Imam Omar knows about world history and politics ! Such a High level of intelligence that he has, Praise to Allah 🤲
I have a friend who lives in gaza...only if you see the videos she sends me...I saw the rockets flying over her head. I knew about the incident before it is even posted on the news. I saw the destruction and the bodies on the ground. I saw her home before the incident and after the destruction. It really really sadens the soul.
Fantastic interview. Wow this guest is so well spoken and thoughtful
That's because he was brought up in the U.S.
This is not an interview … this is “pure” propaganda
Islam speakers are often very well mannered and intellectual to be fair. It's just sad that their book says they can freely lie about their religion in order to convince others they aren't harmful, or that the world was created for Muslims only.
This guest is one of the most knowledgeable imams in Islam. Very well known in that community.
@@isi53someone has you brainwashed for sure hope you find your way out of the darkness.
34:14 "And it is awfully ugly when you use the language of peace to suffocate the work of justice." Wow, thank you, Omar. Now I know how to react to these posters "Peace. NOW!" that I see everywhere.
An incredible interview with the incredible Omar.
Thank you so much for this podcast! I wish every one who listens to it listens with the open heart and everything will be clear!
Thank you, Lex, for this inspiring and necessary episode, and for mostly featuring Omar Suleiman. ❤
Phenomenal. Thank you Dr Suleiman. Thank you for having him, and being such a good interviewer Lex.
Omar is truly one of the only voices I trust on this subject
As the Palestinians say “We have to smile, if we don’t we would be crying”. Dr Suleiman smiles as he recounts of stories of horrific war crimes against Palestinians and the smile has a deep sadness in his eyes with dark circles. We too are forcing a smile as we go about our day to day lives, if we weren’t smiling, we would be crying throughout our day. 😢
he smiles cause he's in the US. wake up
@@rybbah Omar Suleiman was born in US , he lives there for the exact reason with Is not real genocide on Gaza. Which started when his parents were small. So wake up, he’s in diaspora because his country and people are being destroyed 😥
@@Umme-45
my point is that a guy who's living in comfort condition tells Palestinians who really suffer to smile
which country do you mean by the way when you say "his country"?
Dr. Omar is so honest, smart, well informed and calm, composed and collected. Thanks for having him on. 👍🏽
A calm liar.
I don’t know about honest taqqia he makes it seems as gazans are so innocent they have villas nice cars nice upscale neighborhoods open air prison don’t have any of these things
He sympathizes with terrorists.
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@@carlosparedes1556money is everything to scums for others its dignity.Everything and oppressed and luving in an open prison.The problem is in you.
Respect Lex! You have earned my respect. A difficult subject and you did not shy away from it.
Difficult? There is a basic equation that solves the whole thing in seconds.
Much respect to Lex for having Omar Suleiman on to tell the other (true) side of the story.
@@retirementplanner#Samuel_P_Huntington:
The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion (to which few members of other civilizations were converted) but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
Source:
The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order (1996)
Ch. 2 : Civilizations in History and Today, § 10 : Relations Among Civilizations, p. 51
How can you listen to this interview and think there are two sides? Shame on you
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The West won through a marketplace of ideas and a capitalistic system that properly aligned human behavior with economic growth. The Middle East's entire history is violence; while the West isn't entirely without blame, the fact that Islam is a "conquesting/colonizing" religion whose goal is a Global Caliphate and its strict religious purity of stone age ideals doesn't help (look at the Taliban and their proud reversion to Orthodoxy). Christianity and Judaism had secular reformations, the type that are not possible in Islam due to its strict enforcement of Islamic orthodoxy, aggression toward ex-Muslims and various sects infighting over squabbles of, again, Orthodoxy/purity (Sunni vs Shia, and even subsects within those) and on and on. History speaks for itself. Iran was on track to be a top 5 economy -- now it's basically tied with Iraq in GDP under the IRGC after the secular Shah was overthrown. Saudi is moving toward secularism and so is rising as a global power. The key to governance is, obviously, separation of church and state (also something the West realized).
@retirementplanner Calling Imam Omar Suleiman a radical Islamist is hilarious to me as a traditional Muslim. If you think he is radical, someone that is rather grounded, then you have no idea about the spectrum of viewpoints traditional Muslims have among the intellectual and scholarly sphere. I don't agree with every position that Imam Omar, but I think anyone can tell that he is rather grounded.
What I mean was there is the side that represents the truth: The Palestinian side, and the side that represents pure evil, the Israhell side.@@FarisAl-Said
Lex, I admire your style of journalism in an age where news are reduced to 15 seconds sound bites! Thank you for inviting Imam Omar Suleiman. Everything about this was beautiful and inspiring!
In my ignorance, as an American, I used to think 'These Palestinians just don't want peace! They show that by attacking Israel over and over again!'. The thing is most telling about a solution in regards to this continued open wound: Israel is unwilling to allow an international peace keeping force in to help establish a peaceful resolution to this open, 75+ year old wound. This would entail removing the 750,000 'settlers' from the West Bank (Which on maps shown by Israel, it's shown to be a contiguous area of land, but which is in fact cut into steadily shrinking areas of Palestinians, which is shown to be a plan by Israel to choke out the Palestinians living there), which would never ever happen if Israel is allowed to control the 'peace process' of a two state solution, which will never happen as long as they get to decide when it will happen.
If I have to put myself in the shoes of the Israeli government I can see why though. They already tried this experiment, they removed thousands and thousands of their own citizens from Gaza. There were talks about an international peace keeping force before the PA, but both the Palestinians didn't want to have their security kept by external forces, and no country volunteered forces to actually man the effort. So Israel gave complete control of the area to Gaza and it immediately turned into a mess. I don't think so much has changed since then that Israel would want to try this experiment again quite yet, maybe in the future. But of course I can definitely see the point of Palestinians and how it is making it difficult for them. I think once the PA is reformed from the prevalent corruption of it's rulers we will see drastic change. The Palestinians truly need their MLK, someone moderate, with no history with terrorism. I truly hope to see that in my lifetime 🙏
Of course none of this is true or accurate but keep trying
PLEASE learn the history, not just 2 weeks before/after the 7th of October. The amount of rejected peace plans by Palestinians is huge.
And BTW, Palestinians are probably the only nation who didn't want the 67 borders in 67, but want them now. Or didn't like the ceasefire of 6th of October, but demand for it now.
Gaza is a perfect proof of the equation no "settlements = peace" being not true
And yes, I condemn Israel for inequality between Palestinians and Israeli citizens in East Jerusalem and especially Shuafat. I've been protesting agaisnt the current government for over a year. I believe that Israel has to change its politics towards the peace solution.
But saying that Israel is the only and the biggest problem here - is an extremely huge and blind mistake caused either by hatred or miseducaiton (mostly by both)
there is no "international peace keeping force" thats willing to put the responsobillity for Israels safety on itself.
And would also allow the Palestinians a right to return, hopefully
Thank you Lex for this great interview and for listening to our side, looking forward to more content like this
WHY: The Islamic states need an enemy to justify their brutal treatment of their own people. This why they kill babies.
"If you stick a knife in my back 9 inches and pull it out 6 inches, there's no progress. If you pull it all the way out, that's not progress. The progress is healing the wound that the blow made.. And they won't even admit the knife is there." Malcolm X.
Could be that there was no knife and no wound.
the arabs seems to ignore that they have attacked and attacked Israel yes. That is kind of wild. We all know they have, and their arguments for why does not hold up. It is so fun seeing arabs in the west telling jews to "go back where they came from"...
Israel is healing Gaza by exterminating Hamas, these types of statements mean literally nothing.
@@tedmom3029And they won't even admit the knife is there
@@tedmom3029Never seen an opponent so eager to prove someone's point
Greatful for this interview 🙏❤️🇵🇸
Well done on choosing the speaker and such a vital topic, we’re all watching a genocide take place. About the speaker, Dr Omar Sulieman is one of the best speakers and knowledgeable people today. You don’t have to be Muslim to agree with his views, you have to be human looking to understand your purpose in life. I encourage everyone to listen to his lectures.
" We are the only people on earth asked to guarantee the security of our occupier ...... While Israel is the only country that calls for defense from it's victims." Hanan Ashrawi
Thank you for this timely quote!
What about the rejection of UN partition plan by the Palestinians and choosing to destroy Israel instead of creating and devloping their own country؟ Israel uses excessive force but is a legitimate UN member state. Also، there was never a sovereign country of Palestine before the UN Partition plan as it was a British mandate and used to be ottoman territory before that. I'm not against Palestinian people and I believe they should have a state. But they need to accept the Basic reality that Israel exists and is one of the strongest countries in the world so it's not going anywhere.
Seems awfully similar to "the jew cries out in pain as he strikes you"
@@kg356which is exactly what !$r@el is doing 😂
Thank you for having Dr. Omar Suleiman and giving him the opportunity to tell your audience the Palestinian side of the situation in Gaza.
I agree with M. Soleiman with regards to the present Israeli government and it's policies on legalising settlements on Palestinian land. That is occupation. However, my question is why can't you go to Gaza and help? You would be allowed to enter through the Egyptian border! And why aren't the Palestinians invited to the Abraham accords ? Could it be because no ethical sovereign country wants to deal with Hamas? Why isn't there a representative of the opposition in exile, claiming to attend on behalf of his people? Why haven't the Arab League of nations intervened before? And if they couldn't before 07/10, they could have put pressure on Hamas and Quatar to release the hostages against an immediate ceasefire. No one talks about the 1200 people who were slaughtered on the 7th and no mainstream media I have seen even mentiones the hostages. They were mentioned once or twice and that was it. Yes the Israeli response is disproportionate; so should they have gone into Gaza and raped, maimed and killed 1201 Palestinians only? I believe the Muslims should explain the difference between the freedom fighters such as the PLO and their highjacking of planes and Hamas who hide behind their 'people'. Somewhere,vsomething has got to give. Hamas must go, Nathanyu must go and a neutral party such as Norway or Switzerland along with Bahrain must negotiate for the Palestinian rights and for aisrael's right of existance...
All they have spoken about is the 1200 people killed on 7/10/23. Nobody talks about the 100s of thousands killed since 1948.
This man is brilliant -- love shines!" "I pray for Gaza!"
Screw Destiny vs. Ben.
Ben vs. Omar, I'd literally pay money to hear that debate
Exactly.
Calling for a debate about a current genocide is the exact moral failure described in this video lmao.
@@user-qm9ub6vz5e this is ridiculous.A complete ignorance of the atrocious acts of terror and monstrosity Hamas and many Palestinian citizens have committed on the 7th…
Why would he debate a Mossad agent? Its like as if you would ask a jew to debate one of Goebbles' guys on german ground.
I think they're way too far apart on the basic facts of the Israel-Palestine conflict to have a meaningful debate. Like Omar literally doesn't think there can be a legitimate Israeli state and Ben thinks the Israeli state can do no wrong. It would probably look a little bit like Destiny's debate with Omar Baddar except less productive.
Very powerful interview. Lex really is the best interviewer with the key trait of being a great listener and not interjecting and personal opinions.
I don’t think so. He is not confronting anyone - he seems to be agreeing with everyone - it might be Netanyahu or this guy. It might give the wrong impression. Check the fragment about 07/10.
@sosospacesheep2344 think Lex saied it in his introductions evrytime that he is not here to object what being said, judge or tell you what to think or decide, but actually he is here to talk, to listen, to question and seek to clarify things and try to understand what is being said and what comes after that is for the audiences and listeners to think what they want to think or feel and then come to their own conclusion and afterwards make or take also their decisions for and by themselves not less not more and that is indeed how it should be the out come of any debate.
@@user-fn5bd2ps3zwell his views you can see through. He can’t be 100% objective. You can spot it especially with his (typical for Russian people) obsession with Putin. Tbh - there is nothing new, nothing interesting or fascinating in Putin’s behaviour. If you can understand the mob/mafia way of thinking - you can understand modern Russia and Putin. Russia is the only country in the world completely controlled by ex and current secret services. So it works like mafia state.
omar is a great guy and so eloquent
How come all the comments are either thankful or appreciative.
While I do think it's important to be thankful and appreciative- the fact that there is no criticism make it seem like the comments are being filtered or biased.
One criticizes what doens't make sense and/or is faulty, dishonest. Everything this conversation isn't.
Where is the very important topic on the relationship between Hamas and the Palestinians?
this was propaganda not an interview, Shameful
Lex - I respectfully propose you interview Professor John Dugard who led the South Africa legal team at the International Court of Justice and as one of his former students, in my view the greatest of South African human rights lawyers and a veteran campaigner for human rights in South Africa, Namibia and Israel...
Great idea. Let’s be taught human rights by the South Africans. lol.
@@davidfayfield6594you must've missed the part where South Africa took Israel to court and the ICJ found that it is plausible Israel is committing genocide and therfore a trail will begin. So yes, the one country trying to hold a genocidal country accountable knows about human rights.
@@davidfayfield6594 as a someone born in South Africa of Irish and English descent who opposed Apartheid, I confess our country has its problems but the country's triumph over Colonialism, Rascism and Apartheid and the creation of an inclusive Constitution is an achievement of which our country can be proud and the oppressed majority in South Africa have always felt sympathy for the Palestinian cause which they felt echoes their prior sufferings under Apartheid
@@richardmayer541 I find it so bizarre when people consider Israelis oppressors. Literally surrounded by countries who have tried to exterminate them.
@@davidfayfield6594 Ironic that you say that. It makes you sound like you've been fed a lot of propaganda from the US that has the habit of stripping uncomfortable facts from the history they teach. Like that they denied SA was an apartheid state for decades, until public opinion shifted and now they love the former head of the ANC, Nelson Mandela. Perfect for a fully propagandized hypocrite like you clearly are.
What a beautiful soul❤
Thank you for having him on.
What troubles me with Dr. Omar Suleiman is that he is so tribal and he speaks very little about the wrong of his own "tribe". Oct 7 is an extremely aggressive escalation that is not justifiable. Dr. Suleiman didn't say a single word that condemn Oct 7 and went straight on to blaming Israel.
Yes, Israel has been wrong for the constant territory expansion. However, Arab countries shouldn't invade Israel multiple times in history. The majority of Palestinians are wrong in supportting Hamas right now.
The palestian-israel issue is a long sequence of mistakes that are commited by both sides. A peaceful resolution would involves both parties acknowledging the mistakes that they made. Dr. Suleiman tribal narrative of not sympathize your enemy at all, and only push for benefit of his own tribe, is not different from Israeli nationalists who don't sympathize their enemy while push for benefit of their own tribe. We need people like Lex Fridman who stand above the tribal mentality and try to resolve the conflict for the overall well being of people, instead of just people from for one's own tribe.
"Worst genocide in our lifetime"
If we accept the statistics from Hamas authorities that 25,000 Gazans died in 3 months, that still doesn't even come close to 500,000 (at the least) dead in 3 months in Rwanda. +250,000 raped. Rwandan genocide happened only 30 years ago, during Omar Suleiman's lifetime. Rwandan genocide also took place with guns and machetes, not rockets and tanks. If Israel wanted a genocide, they surely suck at it compared to the much more primitive Hutus.
Edit: I predicted many of you would take issue with the utilitarian flavor of my argument but that is missing the point. I am not arguing that what's happening in Gaza is not genocide. It is obviously a tragedy beyond belief. However, we must be honest about the capacity of human violence and the means provided to the perpetrators. If we are able to put our emotions aside for a second and consider the genocides in our recent memory, you can better distinguish the politics from reality of what's happening in Gaza.
You are right and its actualky terrifying that it took place in only 3 months
Thanks oh great israel for not breaking the world record for most people dying in a genocide 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻…. Yall have completely lost your minds
@@djwestbrook36 ICJ did not determin genocide. They told israel to not commit genocide and take measures to not do that. That is why there was no cease fire called.
the fact tht this is your argument shows a lot about you honestly.
Still a problem?@@djwestbrook36 Why did Hamas attack that concert then? Why do they still fire rockets on mass into Israel? Why wont they ever stop? Because you are muslims. You are taught to hate non-muslims in your own book. Read it and see for yourself. You cant fool anyone who knows your own sources. Look up Farfour, the palestinian mouse character that teaches young palestinians about how jews are the devils of the earth and young girl - show hosts that teach other children to kill jews when they grow up. You have a giant beam sticking out of your eye and you try to point out the toothpick in others.
Lex, you are a good man! ... Respects to Dr. Suleiman. ... and Respects to you, Lex. 👍
I admire Lex’s willingness to engage all voices but to let an activist present propaganda like this unchallenged doesn’t foster peace and understanding.
Thank you for having Omar in your podcast. He is a beautiful human being.
Hello Lex, in light of South Africa’s genocide accusation against Israel, perhaps you could interview a legal expert next?
We're all eager for an interview with Professor Norman Finkelstein
@@bouchtaab8281Noam Chomsky too!!
Great Idea. I would suggest that you invite barrister Natasha Hausdorff.
i study law but i dont know much about how international law works. i feel like there needs to be higher emphasis on international law. isreal govt killing innocent people if usa did that against its own people. each wrongful death would be big lawsuits for potentially millions. proper way to handle it would be arrest the criminals who did the crimes. not killing people who had nothing to do with it. this means both hamas leaders and isreal leader would be arrested. maybe the region gets legal system over-haul.
really hard to do when it is small countries who lack structural systems. it is more wild west style.
these recent events in ukraine russia isreal gasa iran jordan yemen has sparked my interest to expand my knowledge more into international law stuff.
@@henlohenlo689 I guarantee that what you will learn from her will change your understanding of the entire conflict. She is highly authoritative lawyer in UK. No lies, just facts. Give yourself a chance if you do care. Should you need more resources do not hesitate to ask.
Heartbreaking. Thank you for this interview. ❤
All he did was talk about Palestine and never about how the other side feels. That’s why hate will always remain until you see it from the other side
“You don’t pass out candy in a concentration camp”
This should be an absurd statement. Sadly it isn't.
So on the money tho with how ridiculous Elon musks god complex can be. **for the record I’m a libertarian and consider myself somewhat of the right so I certainly don’t hate him for the typical shit lib trope, and don’t actually hate him at all, but the “conspicuous acts of kindness” comment highlights his larping as John galt savior of humanity crap for the eye roll that it is.
@@12saltandvinegargo publish that novel. Got a tldr? Jesus
@@briste842that's not long at all. Not even for a cell phone screen. Just shows how little.. people are willing to read.
@@jeffanderson1708 can't even use an ellipsis correctly, sir yapsalot!