5W20 came about to meet Federally mandated CAFE standards for fuel economy. PERIOD. The engines internal clearances were not changed to accommodate 5W20. Same engines in other countries call for 5W30. Use whatever turns you on. I run 5W30 in all three of my vehicles, and 2 of them have over 200,000 miles on the odometer. No noises on cold startups, no side effects of any kind. Engines seem quieter on extremely hot days( like now).
0w20 and 5w20 are destroying engines from all manufactures! The new VVT engines have 3X the moving top end parts that are getting less oil to those parts. A thinner oil once warm is draining back into the pan as the engine is turned off…a thicker oil stays on the valve train at startup and protects parts better-period! This is all CAFE standards driven. Ford is having horrible problems, Chrysler Hemi’s have ticking problems (do a search on RUclips). Even Toyota is having problems. You can disagree all you want but numbers don’t lie. Do an oil analysis on a 5K run on 5w20 and one on 5w30. Then look at the iron and aluminum wear numbers. Then look at the fuel dilution. All in love…but it’s ridiculous these engines are garbage after just 100K.
Pennzoil Synthetic scored highest in nearly every category in Project Farms test. What convinced me to use it is it had the lowest evaporative loss, by a significant margin.
I have a CRV 2008. Manufacturer here (Dubai) and USA suggests that I should use 5w20. But the same vehicle with same engine in South East Asia and Australia calls for 5w30. After a lot of research I found out using 5w30 is much better than using 5w20 on my vehicle.
I had a 2011 Caravan. Used mobile oil and made the sin and changed the oil filter every other time. Used 5w30 regular oil. I changed oil based one the oils advertisment which i think was 5000 miles. The mobile oil had a extend range. I had 275k miles before selling it. Engine was still running strong
You can use 5w30 in a motor that calls for 0w20 or 5w20 all day. The only time I would go with a 0w, is if I'm in tempatures that go below -20F. There is little difference between a 20 and a 30.
I use Costco Kirkland synthetic motor oil on my 2012 Grand Cherokee, it is produced by Warren Distribution an American based quality oil-producing company since 1922. Project Farms rated this motor oil high beating out many large well known brands.
People don't really realize that there is Pennzoil Platinum and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum. On project farms tests the Ultra Platinum outperforms while the Platinum lagged behind. I've ordered Ultra Platinum oil from auto stores and several times got the reg Platinum so be aware. Love your informative channel bro. I have a 23 Wrangler with the 3.6 and I love driving this. Perfect combo of power and decent economy, esp with the manual.
This comment comes from experience and having two 3.6l pentstars in my 2013 jeep jkus. Pennzoil is great oil, however when it comes to the 3.6l pentstar the shear strength is not enough for what this engine requires. Bought mine at 70k miles and it would burn a quart every 1000 miles. At 120k due to it burning so much oil one of the exhaust valves on the driver side bank was burnt through and led to a misfire. Following the teardown all six pistons were beyond black, cooked on oil scum on every piston head. Fast forward six months and a remanded Jasper engine swap using Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 I was still losing oil between oil changes which I do at 5k miles as started from the factory. Upon further investigation and some really great help from a local auto-parts supplier I discovered that the base stock Pennzoil and several other brands use have weak shear strength. Now at first I wasn't completely convinced, but after doing my own research and an oil change with Wolf's Head brand full synthetic oil and driving for another 5k miles. . .there was less than a 1/8 of a quarts missing. Same driving, mostly highway and around town but (almost) all 6 quarts were recovered from this oil change and I no longer have to add oil every time I full up at a gas station. Currently I am still running Wolf's Head 5W-30 but will be trying out Schaffer's 9000 series 5W-30 as I'm lucky enough to have a dealer with in 40 mins of my location. But in short I would recommend for anyone who has similar oil consumption issues to stop using any of these brands that have weak shear strength. They advertise that their products provide great protection and superiors performance, which is true these are great oils but not if you're trying to not have to worry about how much oil is in your pan. Another thing to point out is that most of the advertisement's these companies use are for race applications which is indicative of needing a high quality oil to get them through a race. . .but that's just it. . .only one race and then their teams either preform an oil change and analysis or complete tear down. They're not going through stop and go traffic, highway usage or long idle durations. As I said before Pennzoil and others like it are great oils but for this engine you need an oil that can handle the 5k oil change intervals which Pennzoil platinum 5W-30 is not up to the task. . .don't even get me started on their 5W-20, were talking more like two quarts every 500-1000 miles. *As a side note I'd just like to give my 2 cents on using 5W-20, DONT its not worth it better to use 5W-30 and protect your engine and sensitive components like your oil pump and cooler.
@@gueroburban4989 let me know what brand you decide to go with. And as a side note if you’re still burning oil between oil changes try semi-synthetic from a good brand like wolfs head, Amalie(they own wolfs head), or another brand. Only reason I don’t say use Pennzoil is because it has become so hard to find their “Pennzoil GOLD” synthetic blend over the past few years. Again it comes down to shear strength as well as how well the oil will hold up with how hot these engines get. Also, Chrysler fills these engine from the factory with conventional oil and several people (both from forums and me questioning dealer employees) have stated that there is no benefit to use full synthetic unless you’re in the extreme cold. Best of luck🤙
I've read that manufactures change the weights based on that they are trying to get better fuel economy. So maybe they want you to run thinner oil on a mini van. But why if it could damage a motor.
The Pentastar went from 5W30 to 5W20 and now 0W20 in the Wrangler and from 6qts to 5qts. My daughter’s 2020 Wrangler takes 0W20 for her 3.6 and only 5 qts vs 6.
I have 2022 wrangler 18k miles, got the tick and had to have passenger side cams rockers lifters replaced under warranty, I had the free oil changes with 0w20 from the dealer since I had the jeep... when I got it back I drove 100 miles and changes the oil because I thought if I had the tick the oil may be contaminated. It smelled like it had crazy fuel dilution when I change it and it only had 1500 miles on the oil. Maybe from the valve not opening correctly with the colapsed rocker. The dealer did the work and did not change the oil. The Charger 2022 has the same motor, but without the start stop in the wrangler and says 5w20 and if that is not available 5w30. So why the deferent spec in oil, same year motor ... only deference is the start stop which I shut off anyway. I am thinking you can run 5w30 with no issues and it will probably be better for the rockers. I mean 0w20 did not protect my rockers even at 18k miles. I had some ultra platinum 5w20 and 5w30 in the garage so I just mixed it since that is what I had, the motor is way quite now.
i switched to amsoil because it deals with low speed preignition. as far as weight of oil goes. an awd had more load on the engine. than a fwd.i recently discovered manufacturer's put the lightest weight they can get away with to get the highest fuel economy. i would run 5w30 in all 3.5 engines but i know you can't suggest that in the environment you work in. great video my friend
Have a 2014 Ram 1500 and going through the pentastar tick nightmare . Long story short three garages and one of those recommended by American auto shield . They have denied each garage saying the vehicle has a problem . So no repair . . This vehicle is used for our income and going on four months without it . After paying for the rear down at a Dodge dealer who has identified the problem and the warrantee company wanting further tear down at my expense . I have all receipts on oil changes etc . I am a ASE certified mechanic and am now disabled and fired into retirement and having to make this repair myself out of pocket . . . OK , now to the subject of oil in the 3.6 Pentastar v6 . I use Castrol full synthetic and have always used Castrol products for years . Worked on and operated snow mobiles years ago and if Castrol wasn't used as a rule the warranty would be denied . Jaguar auto cars recommends it also . The in my opinion poor design of the Pentastar during all of the afore mentioned the owner manual does NOT recommend the use of synthetic . I read it three times to be sure as I was surprised although I don't know why when a manufacturer would put rollers with needle bearings not afforded positive lube when I've worked on multi cammed vehicles turning over 12000 rpm running solid followers directly on the cams without issue as we're most all V8 engines until a few years ago . Chevy years ago in the DZ302 V8 engines ran needle bearings on the crankshafts with spectacular results . When they failed the failures were spectacular also. Boat outboards run them without issue again oiling differs and load plays a big part in longevity . As a parting shot remember those folks you see pushing the extended auto warranty I spoke of are usually actors bring paid to read a script. At least that is my experience .
My 2015 charger 3.6 says 5w30 is ok per the manual. In Australia they use 0w40 on the oil cap. Europe also. 5w20 is from CA . I think CA is full of crap. On a dyno it is less than 1 hp. Hellcat uses 0w40? Same parts from 2011-on. Suddenly need different weight oils?
How is an engine going to be damaged be using 5w30 in place of 5w20? That’s rediculous. My 2010 caravan with 3.3 v6 calls for 5w20, but the older 3.3l engine called for 5w30. I’ve been running 5w30 in my 2009 hemi charger since new. 130,000 miles on it and it runs perfect. It’s all about EPA numbers.
My 2022 wrangler calls for 0w-20 so I use Pennzoil ultra platinum full synthetic because it is the best rated oil I could find that still has the ms6395 additive the owner's manual calls for. I change it and the mopar filter every 2000 miles because I only put 6000 miles a year on a vehicle, that whole change every 5k or 10k sounds insane to me. The only problem is you have to special order the ultra platinum because stores only carry Pennzoil platinum full synthetic.
Yes to Pennzoil Ultra Platinum. A lot of people don't realize Pennzoil Platinum and Pennzoil ULTRA Platinum are two different oils. Pennzoil Ultra Platinum outperforms all others except for Amsoil Synthetic on Project Farms tests, which is saying ALOT bc Amsoil won the shootout out of dozens of contenders Better additive package and better performance in all metrics, temperature stability and flow, shear/wear strength, evaporative loss etc. I changed mine at 1000 miles and again at 2000 for breakin, now every 4000. My only question is in time, am I going to have to switch to 5w-30, the next viscosity up, to prevent premature wear on the valve train? Time will tell, but it is something I think about😅
There are so many cars that need a different oil than the manufacture says. Like the Ford 5.4 l engines. From 04 on they say 5w 20 on the cap. But it’s been proven time and time again by hundreds of mechanics and owners that 5w30 is better for the VCT system and the longevity of the engine. The ONLY reason Ford said 5w20 in the first place was to satisfy CAFE standards
Learn to change your oil, buy oil when it is on sale, use lighter weight oil only in winter months, use heavier weight oil only on hot summer months. Always change your oil when your car is over 5000 miles on a oil change. Oil gets acids in it, additives wear out, oil breaks down, moisture accumulates in your oil. Fresh oil is always best. Conventional oil is actually okay if you change every six months and all you do is commute. If you drive hard, are in a place where it is over 90 degrees, run a slightly thicker oil. 😜 Do research and make your own plan.
Subscriber here.... Oil weight is governed by bearing clearance. You should pull up the crank bearings p/n's for both of these engines, and see if they are the same. Highly probable they are, which would then mean the oil weight was chosen by the manufacturer, for different epa requirements for the different vehicle applications. Which would further mean, having no forced epa requirement, the manufacturer actually preferred the thicker oil be used
Not really, at 40 degre the 0w20 have Kinematic Viscosity of approx 47 at 100 degre is like 8-9. 0w30 at 100 degree Kinematic Viscosity like 10. if your engine works at 40 degree with 0w20 with Kinematic Viscosity of 47, i will work with no problemen with Kinematic Viscosity of 10 :)
The manual for my 2016 Town and Country says either 5w20 or 5w30 is suitable. So, I'm running with 5w20 from January to July and 5w30 from August to December. We only get cold in January and February.
I've been contemplating running 5w40 euro since they have a better add pack and is better for what I do which is mostly highway. I put 22k miles a year on my ram with the 3.6
All motor oils on the market are API standard and SAE rated. Auto manufacturers are preasured by the enviormentalist for lower gas milage so the name of the game is Catilisators, Partical Filters and Lower Viscosity Motor Oils that may not hold up in hot working conditions. The quastion is "will the manufacturer stand by it´s Viscosity Recomendation after the warrenty goes out?"
I have 2018 dodge caravan. Always used 5w-20 full synthetic oil. I live in Texas and it gets HOT. I switch to 5w-30 full synthetic oil and it feels much better and you get that added protection during warmer weather 5w-20 i think is too thin for protecting your car. They recommend 5w-20 based off complying with better MPG… thats it……
Notice the inconsistencies in the 'expert' opinions found on the internet? Might as well pick the one you like, then you can become an internet expert.
I switched to 5-30 from 20 and noticed an immediate difference in lag. The engine is quieter though. I may switch back to 20 as I do not want to hurt the engine at all. I was in a bind and had 30 on hand as i had already purchased it and needed to change the oil badly. Also I ran BG EPR on it before i pulled the plug. I'll probably change to 20 here at the end of the month. I'd rather run the right oil then have regrets later down the road.
One difference might be is that the pentastar has a variable displacement oil pump, and the cams and chain tensioner run on oil pressure. I thought ALL pentastars were 5w-20, but if for some reason they were trying to counter the cam problem in 2011 by going heavier in 2012, that would explain it. Trying to avoid a recall. Other tips: Penzoil platinum is what they put into it in Trenton. It’s one of the few oils that carry the mopar ms spec so it wont void your warranty. It’s what the dealer puts into it. It’s a full synthetic. And it’s $22.98 for a 5 qt jug at Walmart. Why would anyone use anything else?
@@StickNclutch It’s not the brand. Amsoil is fine oil, though I prefer penz platinum for the reasons above. The 5w-30 doesnt seem worth it to me, and possibly could be a bad thing over the long haul. But that’s opinion on my part.
I run 5w20 since new with amsoil SS every 6 months less than 10k per oil change and well drive with no problems smooth as glass I change the thermostat to a 180 from mishimoto runs colder this engines run very hot 210-220 that’s insane for tons of plastic stuff around the engine
@@FranciscoHernandez-dq7rf They really don't have oil problems or oil consumption problems. A great engine, for that and other reasons. Engine is designed to target 208, and it will cycle between 202 and 228. Turns out the therm is open way before those temps, and the engine regulates heat with the fan and nothing else.
Because Pennzoil ULTRA platinum is better!!! Better additive package and outperforms all other oils in all metrics and tests, on Project Farms engine oil shootout, losing by a hair ONLY to Amsoil which is saying a lot!! Pennzoil Ultra Platinum all the way Only question is am I going to switch to 5w-30 in time, to protect the valve train??😢
У нас в России тоже такие же дебаты про то какое масло лить ,одни станции тех обслуживание говорят что нужно лить к примеру до 2016 г.3,6 пентастар 5-30 .А с 2016 5-20 .на маем 3,6 пентастар на крышке 5-20 после долгого головника решил лить зимой 5-20 а летом 5-30 Петро Канада GF-6 .Всем добра .
The oil cap on my vehicle doesn't say. But the owners manual says 5w30. And to use 0w30 or full synthetic if in really cold weather like -20 or below. But the manual also says 10w30 can be used if outside temperature is above 0.
What did the owners manual recommend for the 5W30 oil cap vehicle ? As the cap could of been replaced with wrong cap at some point. My Ram recommended 5W20 but 5W30 ok if 5W20 not available but switch back asap. Idk I read article before from a trusted engine builder at the time or a trusted auto engineer and his recommendation was to always run the thinnest oil possible as long as proper oil pressure is proper or acceptable at all times, I run 5W20 Pennzoil ULTRA platinum and in the hottest part of the year here the lowest oil pressure I see is 27 psi in gear , could be 29 i forget. so for me i will stay with that and see how it plays out. I remember hearing something before about it could be were the vehicle is shipped from factory to be sold , hotter vs colder climate as to why the two different viscosities for the same engine as long as the owners manual is matching recommendation of the 5w30 oil cap vehicle.
I agree that its quite possible someone at a quick lube or even dealership may have mixed up or lost the correct cap and threw on the wrong cap or used one they had laying around. This guy has some good info, but kinda comes off as less than competent, if he wanted to be certain he could check the owners manual or he prob has access to a program like alldata to verify the correct weight oil. It could also be it was a mid year decision by the manufacturer to change the oil recommendation but i doubt it. I run penzoil platinum 5w-20 in my 18 ram since its still under warranty and meets the oil spec. I Think it ms-4395 or somethin, i use a wix filter. Only 22000 miles so far and Im hoping it will last a long time without and valve train issues.
Always put in what manufacturer states. Grease lube put 5-30 instead of 5-20 in 3.6 pentastar and shortly after started throwing codes relating to wrong weight oil.
Thicker oil protects better. Is totally fine to use what the manufacturer recommend but they know some of their engines will benefit from thicker oil. Some Toyotas came with the option of 0w-20 or 5w-20. Many ford trucks with cam phaser problems (f 150 5.4l ) could have used a a thicker oil. Is all about gas efficiency and that's why the manufacturer will recommend lower viscosities. 0w-16 will be the new norm or even lower than that.
Hello. Whether is cold and hot when engine work how you think is temperature in engine is in the same. 5w20 engine work more easy. 5w30 engine work more hard. Tell me which which oil destroy more fast engine. For me 5w30 destroy engine more fast for 5w20. 5w20 is more better.
Another great video very helpful I use mobil 1 full synthetic 5w20 with a mobil 1 extended performance oil filter on my 2016 T&C. Hopefully it gets the motor to 100k,the pentastar is a piece of crap..my opinion .Had synthetic blend oil per manufacturer recommendations until 50k when i had 2 rockers replaced then i switched to mobil 1,70k another 2 rockers plus both motor mounts shot.
A lot of engines are having rocker/cam issues nowadays, it seems like after 100 years they all forgot how to build engines right. The rubber and plastic is going to crap as well. I had to replace my windshield washer squirter nozzles after 4 years and my rubber cowl strip along the bottom of the windshield disintegrated. I live in FL where the UV is high, but it's ridiculous that stuff like this fails. My 03 F150 hasn't had any of those issues and it's been parked outside most of its life in AZ, TX and FL.
Thanks for the video, man! You seem to have tons of experience with 3.6 Pentastar engine. So I have a question for you. I have 2014 T&C and it developed loud ticking noise after 40,000 miles and it was serviced under warranty to replace all 12 rocker arms. However, even after this service done, I noticed ticking noise once every revolution but the dealer service manager told me it was normal and they would not do anything about it. So I am still driving the van as is with the ticking noise. Now the van has about 75,000 miles but the ticking noise does not seem to get louder but it kind of worries me that the engine might eventually fail. What should I do about this? Should this be fixed or is it normal like the service manager said? I would appreciate your comment.
Yes my friend..The 2017 model Durango will be equipped with the newly redesigned generation 3 pentastar engine. Thanks for watching. Make sure you are subscribed to the channel. Thanks
Online Mechanic Tips I subscribed thank you for the quick reply man, great work and videos! I’m looking at buying a certified 2017 Durango gt $27,700 with 39,000 mi from a dodge dealer. I called my mechanic and asked how he felt about the Durango and he said those and the jeeps are always showing up at his shop at around or even under the 100k mark. What issues have you seen with the gen 3pentastar? Would you not recommend this purchase? I appreciate all your help man thank you 👍🏼
The gen 3 engine not having many problems at al..in fact, I have yet to go inside 1..that would be a good purchase for you bud..it likely will have the 8 speed at trans. Both great item with low hard failure rate
5W-30 period to comment on your question 10w-30 in my 2.7L maybe 5W-30 Nov. , Dec. , Jan. & Feb. in N.C. if then . My 1999 still hauls buggy smooth kickdowns and upshifts .
I recently did an oil change and oil filter change on my chrysler 2015 200s. I used the manufacture recomended mopar 5w-20 and right after that I noticed a ticking sound started, a friend of mine recomended I use the 5w-30 instead to get rid of the ticking sound since the car already has 60k plus miles, what do you think? Do you think I should do this or not?
Make sure to put in the right amount of oil, if it's too low the valves will starved for oil and thick, over filled will not help as well, an engine will not tick just by switch oil brands. If not put some marvel mistery oil up un there and clean those oil passages. Change every 3k miles.
Is the Ram version of the 3.6 a different engine? I noticed that it gets 20 more hp and like 5 more ft lbs if torque. Also, I can't find a video with a Ram 3.6 ticking so I was hoping it was not a problem on the Ram 1500. I have one with 90k trouble free miles on it.
You my friend have a point. I was just speaking about this in a video. I have yet to do a ticker job on a 3.6L Pentastar engine thats in the Ram 1500.. Not sure why, same engine. Thats good news for the Ram owners.. You own a Dodge, Im hoping you subscribed to the channel right?
First from a friend that was part of SAE... any oil that has the SAE label meets the minimum requirements your engine needs.... That said better synthetic oils have better additives and can last longer and can exceed the SAE standards. So any SAE oil is good enough when it's new, but premium oil can reduce sludging and last longer. For example, if you use regular oil and don't change it for 10,000 miles you've most likely sludged up your engine, if you use 20,000 mile oil and change it every 10,000 miles you are probably just fine. Both oils were fit for purpose the day you filled your engine with them, but how fast they degrade depends on the additives in the oil. And yes... good oil costs more, but new engines aren't cheap either. Actually, working at a dealership you get a chance to see how certain oils work or don't work, just ask your customers what oil they use and how often they change it and I'm sure you will see a pattern, if there is one to find.
Have seen in some FCA owners manuals [ 2017 3.6L ] statement to the effect of 5w20 recommended but 5w30 acceptable if 5w20 is not available??? When the owners manual makes this reference it translates to me as a hint that 5w30 may actual best. Probably no changes in bearing clearances in older engines, vvt that force spec of 5w20, just being likely done for CAF reasons. Maybe on newer engines the tolerances bearings, vvt is much more crucial on weight. Is the VVT, cam phasers, bearing clearances etc now highly oil weight dependent/crucial on newer 3.6L pentastar's? Regards,
I've seen vides saying oil weight is critical now a days for vvt, not sure if that 30w of oil vs 20w of oil when hot will matter. To me I don't think statement is saying or hinting 5w30 is best I think its saying 5w20 is best but 5w30 ok in a jam vs low or dirty oil. For me I'm going with 5w20 as years ago I had a smoking car and kept pumping up the oil weight to slow smoking well that thick oil eventually totally killed it, quieted it down and slowed smoke but didn't lube all tiny area because of thickness. Plus I read an article once from a reputable engine builder or some trusted guy that said run the thinnest oil you can get away with to keep proper oil pressure and stuff will last or something like that. Mobil 1 has a bunch of full blown racing oil, you would think real thick but its 0w20 and other thin formulas as well as a thick formula or two I beleive
On my 2004 Ford Expedition says 5w20 but ford maculoco said it is better to use 5w30 so I have been using 5w30 for 5 years now considering that guy is a ford engine expert.It seems to be better in the winter or summer, Expy still drives smooth and quiet at 120,000 miles. My question to you is Do you change the transmission fluid by mileage driven ? What about the time interval,My Expy is 20,000 miles driven for nine years havent changed the fluid that is still so pinkish color and shift smooth still.
I would do it dependent on temperatures and load, if I did a lot of sub freezing driving I would go lighter Canada, Minneapolis for sure maybe down to St Louis, while hot driving Nevada, Carolinas on south I would select the heavier. Or I take my Promaster camper to southern Utah and Nevada with mountain driving I would select the heavier even though most of the driving is highway.
Yes, but this is highly unlikely to happen because of the way it's set up..you would likely have a lot of noise in the timing chain area which will indicate something broke or came apart.
I think these pentastar are mexico built engines,instead us built it may be logistical on only caring one weigh oil in the engine plant possibly, it's bad when even the engineering says look at oil cap.
My 2012 Wrangler uses 5w30 and also has that on the cap. The 2013 Wrangler uses 5w20 but I don't think there is any differences between the two engines other than the type of coolant used. I have always used 5w30 since I have owned it and I don't know what the previous owner used. I bought it with 76k miles and it now has 120k. No lifter tick. I have always used synthetic oil from first from Valvoline, then Royal Purple for the first couple of oil changes. Then I switched to Pennzoil Platinum for a bit and last oil change I used Castrol Edge in the gold bottle. Next oil change I'm going to go with Liqui Moly Molygen as I have heard good things about it.
My jeep 3.6 grand Cherokee was smoking bad at startup so I switched to 10w40. After more troubleshooting I Changed the oil cap and pcv hose and the smoke went away. The 10w40 feels great so far but I'm thinking of going back to the 5w20 and hoping the smoking issue was actually fixed.
I use 5w-30 instead of 20 on 2017 challenger V6 sxt even though the engine fill cap says 5w-20. I am no scientist but I think 30 is much better at oil film protection @ higher temperatures
When comes to talking about motor oil or when they see pennzoil ultra platinum or other oil that's under $50/5qt.They start saying I used amsoil or Liqui Moly etc.They just want to be on top because their motor oil is expensive over 50.00+ per 5qt.
My 2018 jeep jk with 3.6 pentastar calls for 5w20 BUT in live in Az desert where 6 months out the we see 105°F temps and 2 months out the year it might go down to 40°F so My question to YOU ALL is should I stick with 5w-20 Or 5w-30 Or go 0-30? Need your HELP GUYS AND GALS! This is my internet SOS!
Your 2018 Jeep equipped with the generation 3 Pentastar 3.6. It uses the 0-20 synthethic. Your Ram uses the gen 2 which likely take 5-20 as you mentioned.
Pennzoil had problems for years with their oil creating sludge in engines, and heat up right way, those engine like to run hot and that's one of the cause they have lifter issue and rocker issue.. on my 2017 ram v6 I've always used Castrol edge full synthetic and change it every 5k (kms) and I've also deleted the grill shutter and installed cold air intake and exaust...runs on the colder side now and i got 63k on the engine running smooth and silent !
Pennzoil sludge problems was back in the 70s &80s and they where not the only ones. Pennzoil gas to liquid oils are some of the highest quality oils on the market now. They have been owned by shell for 20+ years now they make a good product
Change my Oil every 5000... So about 2 times a year... 16 Wrangler.... 5/30 in the Summer (California Hot) ... 5/20 in the Winter... Always the Mopar Filter 👍
Everyone saying switching to 5/30 will damage the engine. It's slightly MORE lubrication. I got a 2015 wrangler used but was a lease vehicle so I assume they put the right oil in over the years.
Fresh clean oil beats fancy dirty oil. I run 0w20 Costco and change it at 2k- 3k miles. Any amount of carbon or sludge buildup will cause components to fail in a VVT motor and honestly I'm doing oil changes for $19 each with an extraction pump so I don't even get under my ride. Takes 15 minutes tops and the old oil goes into the empty from the last fill so I know I have it all out. That's $1,900 for oil plus filter to 300k miles which is 20 years for the average driver. Around $100 a year and 1.25 hours of time-yearly. Well worth the investment, and it could potentially last to 500k if driven right. What's an engine cost? People wanna get fancy with oil and chance longer drain intervals but what if you have a leaky injector? At 3k miles that oil is probably still ok. At 5k? Doubtful. Buy it cheap and change it often, find a way to make the oil change easier and your engine more reliable. It can be done!!
CAFE and Fed penalties are forcing manufactures to pinch out a 1/10 of a gallon and sacrifice the valve train. And then they throw in start stop technology! So if you do your research and not get emotional look up the oil spec you will find that for Chrysler 10W-30-5W-30-5W-20-0W-20 all apply. The 3.6 has gone from 5W-30 to 0W-20 . In my 2024 3.6 5W-30 AMSOIL full Synthetic will be just fine.
Yes 5w30 manufacturer are worried about selling cars and getting through the warranty after the warranty is done. You’ve already caused damage. If you plan on keeping the vehicle do not run 0W20
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It could also depend on where the vehicle was originally sold (the north or the South). The new Toyota Camry's call for 0W16. They say you can use 0w20 in a pinch but you gotta go back to 0w16 at the next oil change interval. I worked at a shop where we serviced rental cars, they would not pay extra for the 0w16 that they called for so they all got 0w20. Ford 5.4L you have to run 5w20 in these. If you run 5w30 it will mess up the actuators on the Camshafts and that is an expensive fix. I replaced a 3.6L motor in a Dodge Journey recently or maybe it was the 5.7 Hemi in the earlier body style Charger. Got it all running and the Check Engine light cam on. It was a code for wrong oil viscosity. So yes, vehicles are getting more sophisticated. The thinner oils, i believe, are for the quest for fuel mileage, but also because the internal tolerances are getting smaller and finer.
Good advise on Manufacturers recommended oil spec. That being said Id like to share some facts here. That first number in your oil is the cold weight, or winter weight and so many out there seam to think they can second guess factory engineers with the common conception of "I don't live in Alaska..I can use the thicker grade"....WRONG!, the main reason for this spec is for the critical first start up and the oil that drains away from valve guides and other tight arias. They know that a lot of cars sit for days before next start up and that's where all the wear happens, in those first few minutes. So for all of you out there that have that new 60k garage queen that sits for days before you use it....this manufactures spec is directed at you..... Its your car/ money but when experience talks smart people listen. Buy the way, personally I think Pennzoil ultra platinum is one of the best oils going right now, I was an addiment Mobil 1 user until we saw the journal/bearing damage on the engines we were taring down, we switched to Pennzoil and haven't looked back. we beat the hell out of our motors.
I broke my 3.6 in with Royal P 5w20 HPS because I wanted Zink. I did think it took 5w20 and not 0w20. So I switched to 0w20 and I do not like it. Its way to thin. Yes I get much better millage but damn you can feel how thin it is. I really wanna go to 5w30. Also 5w30 because it "dectos" as well. Same as 0w20
Always check your owners manual. Caps get switched....thanks JT
5W20 came about to meet Federally mandated CAFE standards for fuel economy. PERIOD. The engines internal clearances were not changed to accommodate 5W20. Same engines in other countries call for 5W30. Use whatever turns you on. I run 5W30 in all three of my vehicles, and 2 of them have over 200,000 miles on the odometer. No noises on cold startups, no side effects of any kind. Engines seem quieter on extremely hot days( like now).
That was true for the old 3.6, but once it was redesigned, it was completely redesigned on the inside and specifically made for 0w20, even in Europe.
2018 Rav 4 19000 miles. Rattles like crazy on start up. Put in 5 - 30,. Much , much quieter on start up now . I am staying with 5-30.
0w20 and 5w20 are destroying engines from all manufactures! The new VVT engines have 3X the moving top end parts that are getting less oil to those parts. A thinner oil once warm is draining back into the pan as the engine is turned off…a thicker oil stays on the valve train at startup and protects parts better-period! This is all CAFE standards driven. Ford is having horrible problems, Chrysler Hemi’s have ticking problems (do a search on RUclips). Even Toyota is having problems. You can disagree all you want but numbers don’t lie. Do an oil analysis on a 5K run on 5w20 and one on 5w30. Then look at the iron and aluminum wear numbers. Then look at the fuel dilution. All in love…but it’s ridiculous these engines are garbage after just 100K.
I have a 16 journey crossroad and live in Florida and i feel like 5w20 keeps my engine too hot should I switch to 5w30 ?
@Nasty Habitz half 5/30 oil and half what ?
Pennzoil Synthetic scored highest in nearly every category in Project Farms test. What convinced me to use it is it had the lowest evaporative loss, by a significant margin.
no, amsoil murdered pennzoil, rewatch it.
I have a CRV 2008.
Manufacturer here (Dubai) and USA suggests that I should use 5w20.
But the same vehicle with same engine in South East Asia and Australia calls for 5w30.
After a lot of research I found out using 5w30 is much better than using 5w20 on my vehicle.
One thing ive come across with the pentastar 3.6l is with the 5w30 engines dont get the rocker tick as often as the 5w20 engines
I had a 2011 Caravan. Used mobile oil and made the sin and changed the oil filter every other time. Used 5w30 regular oil. I changed oil based one the oils advertisment which i think was 5000 miles. The mobile oil had a extend range. I had 275k miles before selling it. Engine was still running strong
You can use 5w30 in a motor that calls for 0w20 or 5w20 all day. The only time I would go with a 0w, is if I'm in tempatures that go below -20F. There is little difference between a 20 and a 30.
I use Costco Kirkland synthetic motor oil on my 2012 Grand Cherokee, it is produced by Warren Distribution an American based quality oil-producing company since 1922. Project Farms rated this motor oil high beating out many large well known brands.
Kirkland motor oil is great value for the money, change every 5K and continue using it.
Using that cheap oil will eventually remind you why it’s so cheap
People don't really realize that there is Pennzoil Platinum and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum.
On project farms tests the Ultra Platinum outperforms while the Platinum lagged behind.
I've ordered Ultra Platinum oil from auto stores and several times got the reg Platinum so be aware.
Love your informative channel bro.
I have a 23 Wrangler with the 3.6 and I love driving this. Perfect combo of power and decent economy, esp with the manual.
This comment comes from experience and having two 3.6l pentstars in my 2013 jeep jkus. Pennzoil is great oil, however when it comes to the 3.6l pentstar the shear strength is not enough for what this engine requires. Bought mine at 70k miles and it would burn a quart every 1000 miles. At 120k due to it burning so much oil one of the exhaust valves on the driver side bank was burnt through and led to a misfire. Following the teardown all six pistons were beyond black, cooked on oil scum on every piston head. Fast forward six months and a remanded Jasper engine swap using Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 I was still losing oil between oil changes which I do at 5k miles as started from the factory. Upon further investigation and some really great help from a local auto-parts supplier I discovered that the base stock Pennzoil and several other brands use have weak shear strength. Now at first I wasn't completely convinced, but after doing my own research and an oil change with Wolf's Head brand full synthetic oil and driving for another 5k miles. . .there was less than a 1/8 of a quarts missing. Same driving, mostly highway and around town but (almost) all 6 quarts were recovered from this oil change and I no longer have to add oil every time I full up at a gas station. Currently I am still running Wolf's Head 5W-30 but will be trying out Schaffer's 9000 series 5W-30 as I'm lucky enough to have a dealer with in 40 mins of my location. But in short I would recommend for anyone who has similar oil consumption issues to stop using any of these brands that have weak shear strength. They advertise that their products provide great protection and superiors performance, which is true these are great oils but not if you're trying to not have to worry about how much oil is in your pan. Another thing to point out is that most of the advertisement's these companies use are for race applications which is indicative of needing a high quality oil to get them through a race. . .but that's just it. . .only one race and then their teams either preform an oil change and analysis or complete tear down. They're not going through stop and go traffic, highway usage or long idle durations. As I said before Pennzoil and others like it are great oils but for this engine you need an oil that can handle the 5k oil change intervals which Pennzoil platinum 5W-30 is not up to the task. . .don't even get me started on their 5W-20, were talking more like two quarts every 500-1000 miles. *As a side note I'd just like to give my 2 cents on using 5W-20, DONT its not worth it better to use 5W-30 and protect your engine and sensitive components like your oil pump and cooler.
Thank you should of read this months ago!!! I’m going to start using 5/30
@@gueroburban4989 let me know what brand you decide to go with. And as a side note if you’re still burning oil between oil changes try semi-synthetic from a good brand like wolfs head, Amalie(they own wolfs head), or another brand. Only reason I don’t say use Pennzoil is because it has become so hard to find their “Pennzoil GOLD” synthetic blend over the past few years. Again it comes down to shear strength as well as how well the oil will hold up with how hot these engines get.
Also, Chrysler fills these engine from the factory with conventional oil and several people (both from forums and me questioning dealer employees) have stated that there is no benefit to use full synthetic unless you’re in the extreme cold. Best of luck🤙
@@cbrown17982010 I’m about to don’t first oil change with 5/30 what you recommend? Just conventional??
@@cbrown17982010 my 14 wrangler started ticking
@@gueroburban4989 what brand of oil have you been using and what weight?
I've read that manufactures change the weights based on that they are trying to get better fuel economy. So maybe they want you to run thinner oil on a mini van. But why if it could damage a motor.
The Pentastar went from 5W30 to 5W20 and now 0W20 in the Wrangler and from 6qts to 5qts. My daughter’s 2020 Wrangler takes 0W20 for her 3.6 and only 5 qts vs 6.
I have 2022 wrangler 18k miles, got the tick and had to have passenger side cams rockers lifters replaced under warranty, I had the free oil changes with 0w20 from the dealer since I had the jeep... when I got it back I drove 100 miles and changes the oil because I thought if I had the tick the oil may be contaminated. It smelled like it had crazy fuel dilution when I change it and it only had 1500 miles on the oil. Maybe from the valve not opening correctly with the colapsed rocker. The dealer did the work and did not change the oil. The Charger 2022 has the same motor, but without the start stop in the wrangler and says 5w20 and if that is not available 5w30. So why the deferent spec in oil, same year motor ... only deference is the start stop which I shut off anyway. I am thinking you can run 5w30 with no issues and it will probably be better for the rockers. I mean 0w20 did not protect my rockers even at 18k miles. I had some ultra platinum 5w20 and 5w30 in the garage so I just mixed it since that is what I had, the motor is way quite now.
Owner's manual for my car says I can run both 5w20 and 30. I'll choose the 5w30 for better engine protection and to slow down oil consumption
i switched to amsoil because it deals with low speed preignition.
as far as weight of oil goes. an awd had more load on the engine. than a fwd.i recently discovered manufacturer's put the lightest weight they can get away with to get the highest fuel economy. i would run 5w30 in all 3.5 engines but i know you can't suggest that in the environment you work in.
great video my friend
Have a 2014 Ram 1500 and going through the pentastar tick nightmare . Long story short three garages and one of those recommended by American auto shield . They have denied each garage saying the vehicle has a problem . So no repair . . This vehicle is used for our income and going on four months without it . After paying for the rear down at a Dodge dealer who has identified the problem and the warrantee company wanting further tear down at my expense . I have all receipts on oil changes etc . I am a ASE certified mechanic and am now disabled and fired into retirement and having to make this repair myself out of pocket . . . OK , now to the subject of oil in the 3.6 Pentastar v6 . I use Castrol full synthetic and have always used Castrol products for years . Worked on and operated snow mobiles years ago and if Castrol wasn't used as a rule the warranty would be denied . Jaguar auto cars recommends it also . The in my opinion poor design of the Pentastar during all of the afore mentioned the owner manual does NOT recommend the use of synthetic . I read it three times to be sure as I was surprised although I don't know why when a manufacturer would put rollers with needle bearings not afforded positive lube when I've worked on multi cammed vehicles turning over 12000 rpm running solid followers directly on the cams without issue as we're most all V8 engines until a few years ago . Chevy years ago in the DZ302 V8 engines ran needle bearings on the crankshafts with spectacular results . When they failed the failures were spectacular also. Boat outboards run them without issue again oiling differs and load plays a big part in longevity . As a parting shot remember those folks you see pushing the extended auto warranty I spoke of are usually actors bring paid to read a script. At least that is my experience .
I'm running 0 w 40 mobil in old 3.3 Nissan seems love it. Closer to heavy 30 weight
O cool. Them older models can handle any weight of oil..lol, Love my Nissan Truck with the lil 2.4 in it. Thanks for watching bud
My 2015 charger 3.6 says 5w30 is ok per the manual. In Australia they use 0w40 on the oil cap. Europe also. 5w20 is from CA . I think CA is full of crap.
On a dyno it is less than 1 hp.
Hellcat uses 0w40?
Same parts from 2011-on. Suddenly need different weight oils?
How is an engine going to be damaged be using 5w30 in place of 5w20? That’s rediculous. My 2010 caravan with 3.3 v6 calls for 5w20, but the older 3.3l engine called for 5w30. I’ve been running 5w30 in my 2009 hemi charger since new. 130,000 miles on it and it runs perfect. It’s all about EPA numbers.
@@mlaugh3i use supercar 10w60 in my 3.6. CA eat my poop.
@@mlaugh3 dodge engineers made the 2.7. Im supposed to trust them? FN
@@mlaugh3 Why would a hair thicker motor oil damage anything? More lubrication won't hurt an engine but too little lubrication will.
@@MrLaughingcorpseit won't. Change to 5w30 for hotter climates and 5w20 in the winter
My 2022 wrangler calls for 0w-20 so I use Pennzoil ultra platinum full synthetic because it is the best rated oil I could find that still has the ms6395 additive the owner's manual calls for. I change it and the mopar filter every 2000 miles because I only put 6000 miles a year on a vehicle, that whole change every 5k or 10k sounds insane to me. The only problem is you have to special order the ultra platinum because stores only carry Pennzoil platinum full synthetic.
Your 2022 model likely has the gen 3 Pentastar. It requires 0w-20
@@OnlineMechanicTips have you seen any issues with the gen 3 pentastar?
@@NovaCaddoWolf Seen yes, I have however have yet to work on any. They holding up very well my friend
Yes to Pennzoil Ultra Platinum. A lot of people don't realize Pennzoil Platinum and Pennzoil ULTRA Platinum are two different oils.
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum outperforms all others except for Amsoil Synthetic on Project Farms tests, which is saying ALOT bc Amsoil won the shootout out of dozens of contenders
Better additive package and better performance in all metrics, temperature stability and flow, shear/wear strength, evaporative loss etc.
I changed mine at 1000 miles and again at 2000 for breakin, now every 4000.
My only question is in time, am I going to have to switch to 5w-30, the next viscosity up, to prevent premature wear on the valve train? Time will tell, but it is something I think about😅
There are so many cars that need a different oil than the manufacture says. Like the Ford 5.4 l engines. From 04 on they say 5w 20 on the cap. But it’s been proven time and time again by hundreds of mechanics and owners that 5w30 is better for the VCT system and the longevity of the engine. The ONLY reason Ford said 5w20 in the first place was to satisfy CAFE standards
Very true, 5w30 is the only way to go on the 5.4 Ford
I’ve seen the same thing with the 2008 and 2009 Lexus is250 they recommend 5w30 and 5w20 for better gas mileage
Learn to change your oil, buy oil when it is on sale, use lighter weight oil only in winter months, use heavier weight oil only on hot summer months. Always change your oil when your car is over 5000 miles on a oil change. Oil gets acids in it, additives wear out, oil breaks down, moisture accumulates in your oil. Fresh oil is always best. Conventional oil is actually okay if you change every six months and all you do is commute. If you drive hard, are in a place where it is over 90 degrees, run a slightly thicker oil. 😜
Do research and make your own plan.
The owners manual for my 2014 Jeep Wrangler say's i can use 5-20 or 5-30. More specific it dose recommend 5-20 or may substitute 5-30.
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Oil weight is governed by bearing clearance.
You should pull up the crank bearings p/n's for both of these engines, and see if they are the same.
Highly probable they are, which would then mean the oil weight was chosen by the manufacturer, for different epa requirements for the different vehicle applications.
Which would further mean, having no forced epa requirement, the manufacturer actually preferred the thicker oil be used
Whoa, never thought of it that way. Interesting
Not really, at 40 degre the 0w20 have Kinematic Viscosity of approx 47 at 100 degre is like 8-9. 0w30 at 100 degree Kinematic Viscosity like 10. if your engine works at 40 degree with 0w20 with Kinematic Viscosity of 47, i will work with no problemen with Kinematic Viscosity of 10 :)
I have the 3.7 v6 in my 05 ram and it does real good with 15w40 HDEO.
The manual for my 2016 Town and Country says either 5w20 or 5w30 is suitable. So, I'm running with 5w20 from January to July and 5w30 from August to December. We only get cold in January and February.
I've been contemplating running 5w40 euro since they have a better add pack and is better for what I do which is mostly highway. I put 22k miles a year on my ram with the 3.6
All motor oils on the market are API standard and SAE rated. Auto manufacturers are preasured by the enviormentalist for lower gas milage so the name of the game is Catilisators, Partical Filters and Lower Viscosity Motor Oils that may not hold up in hot working conditions. The quastion is "will the manufacturer stand by it´s Viscosity Recomendation after the warrenty goes out?"
5-30 is the better allround fit for most ordinary cars, as long as you stick to specs.
I have 2018 dodge caravan. Always used 5w-20 full synthetic oil.
I live in Texas and it gets HOT. I switch to 5w-30 full synthetic oil and it feels much better and you get that added protection during warmer weather
5w-20 i think is too thin for protecting your car. They recommend 5w-20 based off complying with better MPG… thats it……
Notice the inconsistencies in the 'expert' opinions found on the internet? Might as well pick the one you like, then you can become an internet expert.
My Toyota oil cap says 0W-20 but the owners manual states “depending on your driving conditions a oil of higher viscosity may be better suited”
5 30 for me , keep it topped off with regular oil changes too
I switched to 5-30 from 20 and noticed an immediate difference in lag. The engine is quieter though. I may switch back to 20 as I do not want to hurt the engine at all. I was in a bind and had 30 on hand as i had already purchased it and needed to change the oil badly. Also I ran BG EPR on it before i pulled the plug. I'll probably change to 20 here at the end of the month. I'd rather run the right oil then have regrets later down the road.
One difference might be is that the pentastar has a variable displacement oil pump, and the cams and chain tensioner run on oil pressure. I thought ALL pentastars were 5w-20, but if for some reason they were trying to counter the cam problem in 2011 by going heavier in 2012, that would explain it. Trying to avoid a recall.
Other tips: Penzoil platinum is what they put into it in Trenton. It’s one of the few oils that carry the mopar ms spec so it wont void your warranty. It’s what the dealer puts into it. It’s a full synthetic. And it’s $22.98 for a 5 qt jug at Walmart. Why would anyone use anything else?
So do you think amsoil 5w30 will harm the pentastar if it calls for 5w20?
@@StickNclutch It’s not the brand. Amsoil is fine oil, though I prefer penz platinum for the reasons above. The 5w-30 doesnt seem worth it to me, and possibly could be a bad thing over the long haul. But that’s opinion on my part.
I run 5w20 since new with amsoil SS every 6 months less than 10k per oil change and well drive with no problems smooth as glass I change the thermostat to a 180 from mishimoto runs colder this engines run very hot 210-220 that’s insane for tons of plastic stuff around the engine
@@FranciscoHernandez-dq7rf They really don't have oil problems or oil consumption problems. A great engine, for that and other reasons. Engine is designed to target 208, and it will cycle between 202 and 228. Turns out the therm is open way before those temps, and the engine regulates heat with the fan and nothing else.
Because Pennzoil ULTRA platinum is better!!! Better additive package and outperforms all other oils in all metrics and tests, on Project Farms engine oil shootout, losing by a hair ONLY to Amsoil which is saying a lot!!
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum all the way
Only question is am I going to switch to 5w-30 in time, to protect the valve train??😢
У нас в России тоже такие же дебаты про то какое масло лить ,одни станции тех обслуживание говорят что нужно лить к примеру до 2016 г.3,6 пентастар 5-30 .А с 2016 5-20 .на маем 3,6 пентастар на крышке 5-20 после долгого головника решил лить зимой 5-20 а летом 5-30 Петро Канада GF-6 .Всем добра .
The oil cap on my vehicle doesn't say. But the owners manual says 5w30. And to use 0w30 or full synthetic if in really cold weather like -20 or below. But the manual also says 10w30 can be used if outside temperature is above 0.
What did the owners manual recommend for the 5W30 oil cap vehicle ? As the cap could of been replaced with wrong cap at some point.
My Ram recommended 5W20 but 5W30 ok if 5W20 not available but switch back asap.
Idk I read article before from a trusted engine builder at the time or a trusted auto engineer and his recommendation was to always run the thinnest oil possible as long as proper oil pressure is proper or acceptable at all times,
I run 5W20 Pennzoil ULTRA platinum and in the hottest part of the year here the lowest oil pressure I see is 27 psi in gear , could be 29 i forget. so for me i will stay with that and see how it plays out.
I remember hearing something before about it could be were the vehicle is shipped from factory to be sold , hotter vs colder climate as to why the two different viscosities for the same engine as long as the owners manual is matching recommendation of the 5w30 oil cap vehicle.
I agree that its quite possible someone at a quick lube or even dealership may have mixed up or lost the correct cap and threw on the wrong cap or used one they had laying around. This guy has some good info, but kinda comes off as less than competent, if he wanted to be certain he could check the owners manual or he prob has access to a program like alldata to verify the correct weight oil. It could also be it was a mid year decision by the manufacturer to change the oil recommendation but i doubt it. I run penzoil platinum 5w-20 in my 18 ram since its still under warranty and meets the oil spec. I Think it ms-4395 or somethin, i use a wix filter. Only 22000 miles so far and Im hoping it will last a long time without and valve train issues.
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Love your video. As you know already. I'm not a fan of this engine, My opinion it doesn't matter what kind of oil you use it will tick anyway lol
Our 2014 Grand Caravan has had 5w30 since new. No problems. 65,000 miles.
Run 5w20 pennzoil platinum if it’s not too late.
My Wife Just got a 2019 journey 3.6l
Hope I dont hear a ticking noise.
change the oil Early. for best results always use full synthetic. in winter you can run 0w20.
Always put in what manufacturer states. Grease lube put 5-30 instead of 5-20 in 3.6 pentastar and shortly after started throwing codes relating to wrong weight oil.
Thicker oil protects better. Is totally fine to use what the manufacturer recommend but they know some of their engines will benefit from thicker oil. Some Toyotas came with the option of 0w-20 or 5w-20. Many ford trucks with cam phaser problems (f 150 5.4l ) could have used a a thicker oil. Is all about gas efficiency and that's why the manufacturer will recommend lower viscosities. 0w-16 will be the new norm or even lower than that.
I worked at Chrysler dealership. I put in what the cap says.
Hello. Whether is cold and hot when engine work how you think is temperature in engine is in the same. 5w20 engine work more easy. 5w30 engine work more hard. Tell me which which oil destroy more fast engine. For me 5w30 destroy engine more fast for 5w20. 5w20 is more better.
I have a 2019 jeep grand Cherokee and was wondering did it also get the gen 3 3.6L
Yes it did my friend. Thanks for watching. Please remember to thumbs up the video and subscribe to the channel, thanks
Another great video very helpful
I use mobil 1 full synthetic 5w20 with a mobil 1 extended performance oil filter on my 2016 T&C. Hopefully it gets the motor to 100k,the pentastar is a piece of crap..my opinion .Had synthetic blend oil per manufacturer recommendations until 50k when i had 2 rockers replaced then i switched to mobil 1,70k another 2 rockers plus both motor mounts shot.
A lot of engines are having rocker/cam issues nowadays, it seems like after 100 years they all forgot how to build engines right. The rubber and plastic is going to crap as well. I had to replace my windshield washer squirter nozzles after 4 years and my rubber cowl strip along the bottom of the windshield disintegrated. I live in FL where the UV is high, but it's ridiculous that stuff like this fails. My 03 F150 hasn't had any of those issues and it's been parked outside most of its life in AZ, TX and FL.
Ive had the windshield washer pump replaced already lol less then 80k on my lemon
What about a 2013 T and C with 168k miles in Phoenix Arizona temp averaging 110 to 115F
Thanks for the video, man! You seem to have tons of experience with 3.6 Pentastar engine. So I have a question for you. I have 2014 T&C and it developed loud ticking noise after 40,000 miles and it was serviced under warranty to replace all 12 rocker arms. However, even after this service done, I noticed ticking noise once every revolution but the dealer service manager told me it was normal and they would not do anything about it. So I am still driving the van as is with the ticking noise. Now the van has about 75,000 miles but the ticking noise does not seem to get louder but it kind of worries me that the engine might eventually fail. What should I do about this? Should this be fixed or is it normal like the service manager said? I would appreciate your comment.
24 rockers per engine.
Dealer lied to me too. Now engine needs repair as it’s out of warranty. Scumbags
Was the pentastar v6 rebuilt in 2019? I was considering a 2017 Durango gt, but have been hearing about engine issues.
Yes my friend..The 2017 model Durango will be equipped with the newly redesigned generation 3 pentastar engine. Thanks for watching. Make sure you are subscribed to the channel. Thanks
Online Mechanic Tips I subscribed thank you for the quick reply man, great work and videos! I’m looking at buying a certified 2017 Durango gt $27,700 with 39,000 mi from a dodge dealer. I called my mechanic and asked how he felt about the Durango and he said those and the jeeps are always showing up at his shop at around or even under the 100k mark. What issues have you seen with the gen 3pentastar? Would you not recommend this purchase? I appreciate all your help man thank you 👍🏼
The gen 3 engine not having many problems at al..in fact, I have yet to go inside 1..that would be a good purchase for you bud..it likely will have the 8 speed at trans. Both great item with low hard failure rate
@@mattmaughan7613 so I'm guessing the jeeps and Durangos showing up at your mechanics shop are the gen 2 with that many miles ?
@@mattmaughan7613 Did you buy it? How's it doing?
5W-30 period to comment on your question 10w-30 in my 2.7L maybe 5W-30 Nov. , Dec. , Jan. & Feb. in N.C. if then . My 1999 still hauls buggy smooth kickdowns and upshifts .
I recently did an oil change and oil filter change on my chrysler 2015 200s. I used the manufacture recomended mopar 5w-20 and right after that I noticed a ticking sound started, a friend of mine recomended I use the 5w-30 instead to get rid of the ticking sound since the car already has 60k plus miles, what do you think? Do you think I should do this or not?
Im curious what engine you have in this year model 200?
@@OnlineMechanicTips 3.6 Pentastar V6
What oil was in it before you changed it ?
Make sure to put in the right amount of oil, if it's too low the valves will starved for oil and thick, over filled will not help as well, an engine will not tick just by switch oil brands. If not put some marvel mistery oil up un there and clean those oil passages. Change every 3k miles.
It is a good oil for my heart ❤
5W20 oil was made primarily to make better mpg, nothing more agree?
Is the Ram version of the 3.6 a different engine? I noticed that it gets 20 more hp and like 5 more ft lbs if torque. Also, I can't find a video with a Ram 3.6 ticking so I was hoping it was not a problem on the Ram 1500. I have one with 90k trouble free miles on it.
You my friend have a point. I was just speaking about this in a video. I have yet to do a ticker job on a 3.6L Pentastar engine thats in the Ram 1500.. Not sure why, same engine. Thats good news for the Ram owners.. You own a Dodge, Im hoping you subscribed to the channel right?
First from a friend that was part of SAE... any oil that has the SAE label meets the minimum requirements your engine needs.... That said better synthetic oils have better additives and can last longer and can exceed the SAE standards. So any SAE oil is good enough when it's new, but premium oil can reduce sludging and last longer.
For example, if you use regular oil and don't change it for 10,000 miles you've most likely sludged up your engine, if you use 20,000 mile oil and change it every 10,000 miles you are probably just fine. Both oils were fit for purpose the day you filled your engine with them, but how fast they degrade depends on the additives in the oil.
And yes... good oil costs more, but new engines aren't cheap either.
Actually, working at a dealership you get a chance to see how certain oils work or don't work, just ask your customers what oil they use and how often they change it and I'm sure you will see a pattern, if there is one to find.
Have seen in some FCA owners manuals [ 2017 3.6L ] statement to the effect of 5w20 recommended but 5w30 acceptable if 5w20 is not available???
When the owners manual makes this reference it translates to me as a hint that 5w30 may actual best.
Probably no changes in bearing clearances in older engines, vvt that force spec of 5w20, just being likely done for CAF reasons.
Maybe on newer engines the tolerances bearings, vvt is much more crucial on weight.
Is the VVT, cam phasers, bearing clearances etc now highly oil weight dependent/crucial on newer 3.6L pentastar's?
Regards,
I've seen vides saying oil weight is critical now a days for vvt, not sure if that 30w of oil vs 20w of oil when hot will matter. To me I don't think statement is saying or hinting 5w30 is best I think its saying 5w20 is best but 5w30 ok in a jam vs low or dirty oil.
For me I'm going with 5w20 as years ago I had a smoking car and kept pumping up the oil weight to slow smoking well that thick oil eventually totally killed it, quieted it down and slowed smoke but didn't lube all tiny area because of thickness.
Plus I read an article once from a reputable engine builder or some trusted guy that said run the thinnest oil you can get away with to keep proper oil pressure and stuff will last or something like that.
Mobil 1 has a bunch of full blown racing oil, you would think real thick but its 0w20 and other thin formulas as well as a thick formula or two I beleive
On my 2004 Ford Expedition says 5w20 but ford maculoco said it is better to use 5w30 so I have been using 5w30 for 5 years now considering that guy is a ford engine expert.It seems to be better in the winter or summer, Expy still drives smooth and quiet at 120,000 miles. My question to you is Do you change the transmission fluid by mileage driven ? What about the time interval,My Expy is 20,000 miles driven for nine years havent changed the fluid that is still so pinkish color and shift smooth still.
I would do it dependent on temperatures and load, if I did a lot of sub freezing driving I would go lighter Canada, Minneapolis for sure maybe down to St Louis, while hot driving Nevada, Carolinas on south I would select the heavier. Or I take my Promaster camper to southern Utah and Nevada with mountain driving I would select the heavier even though most of the driving is highway.
Hi JT: if timing chain jump a tooth on pentastar v6 3.6L, what is the symptom? Will I get an engine code? Regards
Yes, but this is highly unlikely to happen because of the way it's set up..you would likely have a lot of noise in the timing chain area which will indicate something broke or came apart.
@@OnlineMechanicTips Appreciate your answer JT.
If it's happen you will have a fault code , "out of sync "
@@top111quebec9 Thanks a lot. There are so many things to learn everyday
I think these pentastar are mexico built engines,instead us built it may be logistical on only caring one weigh oil in the engine plant possibly, it's bad when even the engineering says look at oil cap.
10w60 works too in the summer
Standard grade 5-20 2015 Caravan. From Alberta Canada and dealerships + independent called for non-synth oil.
My 2012 Wrangler uses 5w30 and also has that on the cap. The 2013 Wrangler uses 5w20 but I don't think there is any differences between the two engines other than the type of coolant used. I have always used 5w30 since I have owned it and I don't know what the previous owner used. I bought it with 76k miles and it now has 120k. No lifter tick. I have always used synthetic oil from first from Valvoline, then Royal Purple for the first couple of oil changes. Then I switched to Pennzoil Platinum for a bit and last oil change I used Castrol Edge in the gold bottle. Next oil change I'm going to go with Liqui Moly Molygen as I have heard good things about it.
My durango says 0-20, the caravan says 5-20.
But, chrysler makes thes in 285, 295, and 305 HP models. Maybe thats the differentiating factor?
Keep in mind . Those are Factory minimum requirements in the Owners Manual .... You can always upgrade 💯👍
Penzoil Ultra platinum even better. Amazon sells at a discount frequently
My jeep 3.6 grand Cherokee was smoking bad at startup so I switched to 10w40. After more troubleshooting I Changed the oil cap and pcv hose and the smoke went away. The 10w40 feels great so far but I'm thinking of going back to the 5w20 and hoping the smoking issue was actually fixed.
Very interesting video thank you! I got with full synthetic and what is on the fill lid.
Good stuff my man.
I use 5w-30 instead of 20 on 2017 challenger V6 sxt even though the engine fill cap says 5w-20. I am no scientist but I think 30 is much better at oil film protection @ higher temperatures
I’m tryna use 5w30 in my 2017 Dodge Charger… will it make a difference?
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Slightly thicker means more lubrication right? Which I would logically think means less wear.
Penzoil 350000 on my 2008 chevy hhr 2. 4. No engine repair.
When comes to talking about motor oil or when they see pennzoil ultra platinum or other oil that's under $50/5qt.They start saying I used amsoil or Liqui Moly etc.They just want to be on top because their motor oil is expensive over 50.00+ per 5qt.
My 2018 jeep jk with 3.6 pentastar calls for 5w20 BUT in live in Az desert where 6 months out the we see 105°F temps and 2 months out the year it might go down to 40°F so My question to YOU ALL is should I stick with 5w-20
Or 5w-30
Or go 0-30?
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5w30 all day everyday
I have a 2018 jeep grand Cherokee 3.6 and a 2018 ram 3.6 . Ram uses 5-20 and jeep uses 0-20 only thing I think is jeep has Start stop technology idk ?
Your 2018 Jeep equipped with the generation 3 Pentastar 3.6. It uses the 0-20 synthethic. Your Ram uses the gen 2 which likely take 5-20 as you mentioned.
Pennzoil had problems for years with their oil creating sludge in engines, and heat up right way, those engine like to run hot and that's one of the cause they have lifter issue and rocker issue.. on my 2017 ram v6 I've always used Castrol edge full synthetic and change it every 5k (kms) and I've also deleted the grill shutter and installed cold air intake and exaust...runs on the colder side now and i got 63k on the engine running smooth and silent !
Yeah every car I used pennzoil in, the engine started ticking. Normal oil not synthetic.
Pennzoil sludge problems was back in the 70s &80s and they where not the only ones. Pennzoil gas to liquid oils are some of the highest quality oils on the market now. They have been owned by shell for 20+ years now they make a good product
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Change my Oil every 5000... So about 2 times a year... 16 Wrangler.... 5/30 in the Summer (California Hot) ... 5/20 in the Winter... Always the Mopar Filter 👍
Mopar filter are made to be cheap.
Everyone saying switching to 5/30 will damage the engine. It's slightly MORE lubrication. I got a 2015 wrangler used but was a lease vehicle so I assume they put the right oil in over the years.
Fresh clean oil beats fancy dirty oil. I run 0w20 Costco and change it at 2k- 3k miles. Any amount of carbon or sludge buildup will cause components to fail in a VVT motor and honestly I'm doing oil changes for $19 each with an extraction pump so I don't even get under my ride. Takes 15 minutes tops and the old oil goes into the empty from the last fill so I know I have it all out. That's $1,900 for oil plus filter to 300k miles which is 20 years for the average driver. Around $100 a year and 1.25 hours of time-yearly. Well worth the investment, and it could potentially last to 500k if driven right. What's an engine cost? People wanna get fancy with oil and chance longer drain intervals but what if you have a leaky injector? At 3k miles that oil is probably still ok. At 5k? Doubtful. Buy it cheap and change it often, find a way to make the oil change easier and your engine more reliable. It can be done!!
Unless someone put the wrong oil cap. Shrug
MUST be fully synthetic. Huge difference.
CAFE and Fed penalties are forcing manufactures to pinch out a 1/10 of a gallon and sacrifice the valve train. And then they throw in start stop technology! So if you do your research and not get emotional look up the oil spec you will find that for Chrysler 10W-30-5W-30-5W-20-0W-20 all apply. The 3.6 has gone from 5W-30 to 0W-20 . In my 2024 3.6 5W-30 AMSOIL full Synthetic will be just fine.
Full Synthic Mobile One. And Lucas fuel Stabalizer with a little bottle of octain booster..
2015 durango sxt i use 5/20 full synthetic...
The air intakes are different and cool differently
my 2023 calls for 0w20. Should i run 5w30?
No, you should use what the manufacturer suggest. This still a fairly new car
Yes 5w30 manufacturer are worried about selling cars and getting through the warranty after the warranty is done. You’ve already caused damage. If you plan on keeping the vehicle do not run 0W20
@@thomashaggart438 I doubt there is any damage if that’s what stelantis is calling for
My dodge journey wen I start the engine sounds like graaaa and it go a way and here's different then wen I buy it need help toke it the diagnosis but no hop
Hey bud, what exactly wrong with the Journey?
Is making a graáaaa noise when I start the engine if been seen youre video I would like to send you the noise recorded it 939273284 iis my how can I send it it have 160000miles
I don't know is like doesn't get enough oil to the top
@@laudianysnieves5223 Upload the video to your youtube and send me the link so i can listen, thanks
@@OnlineMechanicTips thank you
I definitely recommend using 5-30 over 20 your engine will last much longer
10w30
It could also depend on where the vehicle was originally sold (the north or the South).
The new Toyota Camry's call for 0W16. They say you can use 0w20 in a pinch but you gotta go back to 0w16 at the next oil change interval. I worked at a shop where we serviced rental cars, they would not pay extra for the 0w16 that they called for so they all got 0w20.
Ford 5.4L you have to run 5w20 in these. If you run 5w30 it will mess up the actuators on the Camshafts and that is an expensive fix.
I replaced a 3.6L motor in a Dodge Journey recently or maybe it was the 5.7 Hemi in the earlier body style Charger. Got it all running and the Check Engine light cam on. It was a code for wrong oil viscosity.
So yes, vehicles are getting more sophisticated. The thinner oils, i believe, are for the quest for fuel mileage, but also because the internal tolerances are getting smaller and finer.
Ive seen it first hand. 5w30 will make it quiter. Especially in fiat chrysler engines that tick
Is it ok to use 5/30 mine is ticking and just hit 100k
Inconsistencies of Dodge/FCA
You my friend, have a point.
Throw that pennzoil in the trash! Different cars I used that oil in, it made my engine start ticking. It is crap.
Good advise on Manufacturers recommended oil spec. That being said Id like to share some facts here.
That first number in your oil is the cold weight, or winter weight and so many out there seam to think they can second guess factory engineers with the common conception of "I don't live in Alaska..I can use the thicker grade"....WRONG!, the main reason for this spec is for the critical first start up and the oil that drains away from valve guides and other tight arias. They know that a lot of cars sit for days before next start up and that's where
all the wear happens, in those first few minutes.
So for all of you out there that have that new 60k garage queen that sits for days before you use it....this manufactures spec is directed at you..... Its your car/ money but when experience talks smart people listen.
Buy the way, personally I think Pennzoil ultra platinum is one of the best oils going right now, I was an addiment Mobil 1 user until we saw the journal/bearing damage on the engines we were taring down, we switched to Pennzoil and haven't looked back. we beat the hell out of our motors.
10w60 Castrol SUPERCAR OIL IS BEST
I broke my 3.6 in with Royal P 5w20 HPS because I wanted Zink.
I did think it took 5w20 and not 0w20.
So I switched to 0w20 and I do not like it. Its way to thin. Yes I get much better millage but damn you can feel how thin it is.
I really wanna go to 5w30. Also 5w30 because it "dectos" as well. Same as 0w20
Hear me OUT !! Only use recommended oil!!
Here me out......
Damn dodge the brainless motor