I think that certain players have earned the right to be able to do that with coaches. Yes, he's in charge and it's his team, ultimately, but coming from someone like Viv on THAT team, I have absolutely no problem with her doing that and if it was actually in defense of Mana, that is awesome. She looked terrible coming on that field, I kinda wanted to hug her.
There are so many games to be played so the workload has to be monitored, as to a plan for games some players will carry out a detailed tactical as the coach envisaged thats no disrespect to Viv but no one is bigger than the team Another situation is she'll be taking a holiday so is not in the Holland squad for forthcoming friendlies make of that what you will.
It not about time played it’s about respect and that is horrible. That’s almost like spitting at her feet give her at least ten minutes. Viv was in the right cause despite being upset she seemed respectful.
They done this to Jordan nobbs too.its not fair. I think the players should be circulated so they all get a chance to play. That way, they all get play time and you end up with a great team and a happy team. Jordan nobbs is my favourite player. Absolute legend. Love her ❤️
There's something that's been bothering me about Jonas Eidevall since he's been a coach at Arsenal. Sure, it's human, but with him you can see that he has favorites in the team that he wants to push with a lot of playing time. Every professional soccer player admits that a coach can have a big influence on a career. He pushes Maanum and Blackstenius a lot, for example. For Blackstenius even Viv was put on the 10. But she played her most successful season at Arsenal on the 9 - why not stick with that? If he wants Maanum to play in midfield for tactical reasons, then it's a no-brainer in a top match (e.g. Lyon) that Blackstenius doesn't play from the start but Viv. Finally, it must also be said that Jonas' treatment of Jordan Nobbs and also Mana is disrespectful. Jordan is one of the best midfielders in the league and can always (!) help a team. A coach who does not encourage and use these skills is not a good coach but a stubborn one. If he is not careful, this will fall on his feet. A coach has also to manage the vibes and the mood in the team, especially with so many good players. I think Jonas wants to build something completely his own at Arsenal and strong minded players like Jordan or Viv are rather obstacles for him. Viv should have transferred after last season. And if you bench her 2 games in a row, it seems to me as if Jonas doesn't care if she extends again or not - at least he doesn't give her any arguments for it at the moment.
To call Iwabuchi (world champion 2011) on the pitch for only one minute is a lack of respect by the coach. She is not a rookie. Far better not to call her.
Im an arsenal supporter and love the Japan National team. I was so happy to see Iwabuchi joining Arsenal and noticed her lack of game time. 30 second of playtime is disrespectful. I get the manager found success with his selections so its hard to disrupt the chemistry, but god I hope she can get playtime and not just 30sec at the end.
Just watched this and literally next minute Mana gets a great assist setting up Hurtig against Zurich. Thirty seconds is a joke, more of a strategic sub to slow the game down than an actual opportunity.
When you have a successful team, it can be hard for people on the bench to get playing time. Sad to see that such a talented player like Mana Iwabuchi isn't getting playing time. Great to see that Viv is trying to speak out for her friend. Interesting Bayern München team photo, because Mana Iwabuchi, Vivianne Miedema and Manuela Zinsberger were playing there at the same time. Just finished watching the Arsenal-Zurich match in the Champions League. Mana got to play 75 minutes and had a solid game. Just for your information: Santi Cazorla is a Spanish international player who didn't get to play for the male Arsenal team for 1.5 seasons, mainly because of an injury due to hospital bacteria that almost caused an amputation. His contract wasn't extended at the end of the 2017/2018 season. He currently plays in Qatar.
OHH!! thank you Michael we had no idea who Cazorla was! Wow what a story! And OMG I had NO idea Manuela played with Viv Lisa and Mana All together! That is wild! Love seeing those old photos who from times long ago!
I love Viv for this!. Ofcourse you can’t expect that every top player will play equal minutes but 30seconds is a joke and even disrespectful. At least put players on for 10 minutes..
Viv is just very Dutch, a Dutch person will always speak their mind and be direct about it. So I get were Viv is coming from. Her friend is upset and she just sticks up for her. It's just ridiculous Mana only got 30 seconds of play time. Fans have been telling in the comments that Mana needs to be on the field playing and I agree. Also if I was Viv I would have done the same thing!
Vivianne is an absolute class act both on and off the pitch. Her work with common goal, the less fortunate children, gender equality is commendable. While on the field, her goal scoring exploits are second to none.
I don't think Viv yelled. She was just visibly disappointed. I think not playing Mana is sad for Viv, but playing 30 seconds is even worse, in a way. It's a bit condescending, like "there, there, here have 30 seconds".
Top heavy with players , Chelsea has the same problem . If players dont get play time they will probably move on , its a sad thing . its also up to the players to find out these things before signing up . Good to see Viv is standing up for her team mates.
I watch quite a few international sports and it boggles my mind when a team signs a top international player and then don’t play them. If it’s one or two games I get it but ten games? It is disrespectful in my mind. Send the player to a team where they get playing time and can make a difference for that team.
I love viv and arsenal ladies..Viv will be a great coach in the future..mana,Jordan and Lina starting in today's match up against zurich.and look what have they done.they have an incredible performance.they're winning again.
I personally if Mana is not starting, she would definitely be among my five substitutions that is allowed in a game. I rate her in my team higher than the new signing Hurtliq. I am saying if I am looking to use my substitutes apart from in goal or defense substitutions I will think of Nobbs, Frida and Mana
Es un desperdicio que teniendo tan buenas jugadoras, Jonas siempre favoresca a unas cuantas ( STINA) eso no lo hace un buen coach, Bravo VIV tú sí sabes lo que es jugar en Equipo!!!
@@jamairyperezvaloy7194 players care, this is their career and when they are as talented as mana, they need play time. If they aren't getting it, they will probably leave. it doesn't matter if they win trophies
@@jamairyperezvaloy7194 obviously the players care WTF they can't stay young forever to be on the bench they need to play and obviously they also want to be chosen for their national team For the World Cup. And 30 Secs is a FUCKING Joke
Mana should have stayed at Aston Villa; she'd be starting every game. I think she moved to Arsenal partly because they're a bigger WSL club, and partly because she's friends with Viv and Lisa, but you have to fight for your place in a team that strong. It's really sad to see her upset, but there's a simple solution - come back to Villa, Mana!
I am a Man United women's fan. I can honestly say that Marc Skinner has been pretty good at rotating the squad and giving everyone minutes. That is the way it should be...
Sara and Sarah, Jonas is pushed hard to win, win, win. The depth of the Arsenal team/ bench is absolutely amazing. Jonas can mix and match his players for the task ahead, but I can understand what you are taking about. Football/ Soccer, at this level is highly pressurised now. I hate the way mens football has a bunch of overpaid actors (diving and faking injury, etc) who cannot be bothered to work as hard as the women. Team sports are alway about putting the best team forward to win.
As much as a lot of people talk about squad depth there have been a few occasions when arsenal are in the lead and comfortable in those instances why not give people minutes? I think he played the team he did yesterday to make sure those girls got some airtime for potential transfers.
This is part of football when a team is deep like Arsenal is it gets hard for certain players to get playing time. This has happened to Christian Pulisic at Chelsea. You just have to wait your time coz there are better players at this moment in time. Plus she's under contract as well not just easy to move players under contract. She'll be ok she just needs to be ready physically and mentally when she does get a call up no matter how frustrated she is.
Unfortunately this happens in sport usually they tend to move on!! Where they get time!! VIVS got nothing to loose I guess what ever her problem was!!! Really even Chelsea has players that probably don't get any playing time??? Take care👍👍👍👍
30 seconds is a joke. An insult. If I was a player and the manager offered me 30 secs I’d tell him where to stick it. Even 10 minutes is a joke. A footballer should get at least a minimum of 20 minutes if coming off the bench and even 20 minutes is nothing.
Mana should move on to United she is technical on of the best players of that team but jona likes his team to be white. and Viv can come to us at Barcalona in the winter. We could use her upfront as a 9 to bang in some goals. It is clear that she has become a second choice to blackstenius. And I don't she wil like to put on the bench for long And Jonas wil only get humbeld when he loses. If not the arrogance wil overtake him u can not act like Emma Hayes because players wil take that from her as a woman,not from Him as a man. enjoy the winningstreak for now.
The coach has been so unfair to Mana. I always said it in my mind that what has she done not to even get any chance to play. As good as Mana is, I don't think she doesn't deserve to play. Watching Miedema recent games, she feels unmotivated too. I was about to crying while watching Mana look during that substitution against Liverpool. She should just move on to another club if she is not needed in the squad again but It would be a great loss.
Mana is the best footballer in that team, but it’s obvious that Jonas (the coach) doesn’t like minority players. Arsenal seems to be the only female team with no minority (unless you consider the Brazilian) playing in the team.
There are good reasons for strategic near end of game substitutions, but as a coach you would normally choose a junior or a real fringe player. Although no game time for Mana for a while now, she definitely isn't a fringe player as she could easily step in to any of the midfielders roles in a heart beat. A little disrespectful I believe. I doubt Viv would of given any thought about the camera's when speaking to Jonas and I don't believe it was wrong as she is a leader in that team. There could also be a possibility of a visa issue because she is obviously an import for a reason and if you aren't getting on the pitch then you aren't justifying your visa status. Therefore she could get deported maybe. That could be what Viv meant by saying she can't stay if she doesn't play. Not 100% sure on that but just a thought. I hope Mana get's more game time because she is like a little magician. Similar to Santi Cazorla. 👍👍
you cant really do a simple position by position list and say well Mana is "4th choice on the right wing" because the thing that really matters is what she would bring to a game. And she provides something different to pretty much every other attacker. Arsenal have been so good that they havent really needed to make substitutions with the aim of scoring goals or creating chances and thats the niche she fills well. Tho I do agree that a 30 second cameo is insulting
Jonas can do what he wants as it will be his head if they are doing badly, but Mana should speak with her feet and leave. Its unfair but thats professional sports. As long as he doesnt stop her going and hes being honest and upfront with her he doesnt have to play her. Although i do think putting her on only in injury time is a pisstake. I hope she goes somewhere else and is happy and does well. Its like beth england, top goal scorer for chelsea 2020 and wsl player that year. Then kerr comes and shes benched and now doesnt get called up for england. She should leave chelsea too.
that's true but is also a huge risk in your career development, leaving big clubs such as Chelsea and Arsenal is risky and not many people want to take a step down like that
Jonas the coach shows no little respect to his players , if it is less then 5 min then they should say do it yourself. The players are more important then the coach in the team.
Substituting someone for 30 seconds is absolutely shameful and disrespecting! Great to see Miedema sticking up for her teammates when the coach fucks up
I thought you get match bonus if you get on the pitch even for 30 seconds I thought a coach would reward players for training well get them on for the match bonus Maybe I'm wrong 🤷🏾♂️
Jonas has been responsible for many of our experienced and important players leaving . He also bottled the league last year by not playing these players . Now mana (xavi of the women's game) has left, if he doesn't win the league then it's the sword he will die on
I rather she leave the club if she still don't get mins like she won't stay young forever she have to look after her own career and go to a Club where she might be more appreciated than at a club where she might sit on the bench forever or play one or two mins. This ain't fair to her.
I’m writing this comment after the Arsenal v Zurich game 1. Zurich is a part time team ie the players are not yet fully professional. Jonas had a view that they would be an easy win 2. Seven subs from the last game. I ask u would you see that happen in the mens team Body language before the game didn’t seem positive. With that many changes (incl goalkeeper) I would have felt like the B team 3. I’m a huge viv fan. I look back and think she had a gut feel that she needed a change. I wish she had of moved. I’m glad it’s a 12 month contract. Seeing viv on the bench for extended periods is strange. If I were Man City I would be chasing her. After losing Ellen Lucy Caroline Weir and Kiera a marquee player like Viv would be ideal 4. The Mana 2 mins of playing time to me shows a disrespectful attitude to the players. He is basically sending a message to those he really doesn’t want. 5. With the World Cup in 2023 players need game time so their national teams are strong. If your a Good player not getting game time I say move to a club that will showcase your talent. I’d rather be happy than have a bigger pay check. It is prestigious to be at Arsenal Chelsea etc but if you don’t get to play then what’s the point
U need to earn your spot in the team but surely if you are getting on U need proper minutes especially for someone who hasn't been playing, superstars have games they're rested so U have to manage the squad to keep everyone on toes
Hoje com Viv fora do clube podemos ver que muito deste video faz sentido e que Jonas está arruinando o Arsenal, ele definitivamente não sabe lidar com as jogadoras.
it goes both ways this. Its disrespectful because its not a close game so the tactic sub of killing of the match is out of question. Not played on this level but if my coach told me that to sub for about 30 sec in a game that is up by 2 i would have told him to go and fuck himself. You just dont do this to players. If its a close game then its about to kill it of then i have no problems with a late late LATE sub just to keep the win. And if this is the case that Viv said this to Jonas then she has more character than he does. Jonas SHOULD know better as a coach to not put his players in this situation. Because this is textbook how you create problems in the dressingroom. It would have been much better to leave her on the bench. And even if your team is winning its very important to rotate the squad. Not the full 11 but you need to mix in players because you will pick up injuries during the season and then your players need to be in match form and they only get that from playing matches
Viv was totally right in speaking her mind to Edaviell?( no idea how to spell his name!)….She does not like unfairness and … and maybe other stuff….He is getting a bit too good for his ‘boots, just lately… since commentating on the Womens Euros… I watched a lot of , including his opinions etc….I feel he thinks that he is better than his players…wants to be ‘another Emma Hayes type figure’…but he is not even close… and I wouldn’t be surprised if his team are seeing that???….Emma Hayes is someone who is a genius at managing many talented people and creating a very inclusive atmosphere And mutual respect….Male managers of female teams do not know how to achieve this….( one of the many reasons for the dreadful consequences in the NWSL, in my opinion …expect some may disagree…and that’s their right)…I could see what Viv said at the end…’30 seconds…for F***ks sake’… then walked away.. looking very p•••ed off. He is very lucky that she decided to stay at Arsenal….and she may be thinking about that decision now … ??…Although defending her team mate … it was very public…and He wouldn’t like that.. it spoils his ‘image’ as ‘Mr nice guy/popular…look what I’ve done for Arsenal…..The players are who get the results and the end of the game.. Viv, Beth. Iwabuchi, Lotte….and the incomparable Captain Fantastic..Kim Little!!…Right , I have had my ‘rant’ like Viv!!….So sorry Ladies 😔😔… Sue (UK) 🙏🙏🥹🎉
Jonas Bro ruining player good for Viv sticking up for players she's gone to Madrid or French club next year. Not the only coach doing this Skinner the same at united to Boa Risa getting an international dropped for lack of club play
It would tell Jonas to pick someone else …… coming on for 30 seconds ….. that is extremely rude and so disrespectful …… you are such a bad coach if you do that. You are hurting and damaging that player ….. nothing to gain, only trouble
It’s unprofessional, players coming on for only 30 seconds happens all the time in the mens game mostly to waste time. Look at any other team there are always players that aren’t getting minutes, moaning to the coach about it in public doesn’t happen in the mens game why should it be acceptable in the womens game ? By all means you can knock on the mangers door and discuss it privately.
usually when managers bring on players to waste time they are either players that regularly play so there’s no ill-will, players coming back from injury, teenagers wanting to rack up appearances, or players that just dont give a shit if they play or don’t play bc they’re getting paid regardless. mana had not played in the last 10 games prior to liverpool and she is a seasoned professional that had proven her worth in several seasons. she was not injured and was completely available for selection, she is a hard trainer and always has a positive attitude despite not being selected. subbing her on for seconds when you include all those prior factors is equivalent to man utd subbing on Ronaldo for 30 seconds when he hasn’t played for weeks while they’re winning against bournemouth 4-0. It’s disrespectful.
and also men do moan to the coach in public. we see unhappy substitutions all the time. and similarly, we give them stick for it bc its unprofessional. it wasn’t alright for viv to do it in public, i agree, but like with the men who are unhappy with the sub - it just shows that the players CARE and they have passion.
@@charrpalliyah absolute nonsense, it’s the mangers decision who plays if there are better players ahead of her then it’s tough, if she wants game time then she can ask for a loan or a move no point in crying about it it’s pathetic, there’s so much effort being put to try and get the women’s game to be taken more seriously and then there’s this sort of unprofessional behaviour going on
@@charrpalliyah i can’t think of one occasion in the mens game when a player is moaning like that to the coach in public about not bringing another player on early enough
Cheeky Viv signed a measly one year contract. She is not committed to Arsenal. I don’t care what she has to say about anything regarding Jonas decisions about the first team and I don’t care if she starts as long as we win. She’s gone at the end of this season. Might as well bed in Stina for me she is and should remain first choice striker & Maanum should keep her place on midfield.
Because jonas was a racist he is having problem with her from start and she was Asian do you think manum is better than mana it does not make any sense
I went to Uni with Jonas and he's not a racist, that's all in your head. Now I don't follow the womens team at all but there's a lot of whining about disrespect in this comment section like it never happens in football, it does, all the time, nothing disrespectful about it. I mean I was pretty pissed off when Willian got endless minutes ahead of Pepe and Martinelli a couple of years ago, or when Saliba got loaned out again when the defenders we kept were so poor, but it is what it is.
Just look at the team after he come in arsenal 3 black player leave the arsenal women used to have 30-40 percent black player now only Asian player you have you disrespecting her all the time put her to play in the match last minute of the match that’s call racism on highest level
@@MdSumon-df4ji wow, I lost 10 iq points just by reading that drivel. Stick to womens football please, you have no clue how the sport works on the highest level. Plonker.
@@JamesCM86 Jonas isn't racist and Frida is balling out right now, player of the season so far, you guys need to stop being silly, this video was released before the reverse fixture against Zurich and now the next game has come around, we beat them again, scored 9 goals AND Iwabuchi was able to get one, she looked sad even after scoring because she's still not getting much minutes, but with the injuries we are picking up she can have a crucial part to play if we want to wrestle the league title from Chelsea and maybe suprise everyone in the UCL? We just topped the group of death and only Barca have scored more goals than us.
I think that certain players have earned the right to be able to do that with coaches. Yes, he's in charge and it's his team, ultimately, but coming from someone like Viv on THAT team, I have absolutely no problem with her doing that and if it was actually in defense of Mana, that is awesome. She looked terrible coming on that field, I kinda wanted to hug her.
There are so many games to be played so the workload has to be monitored, as to a plan for games some players will carry out a detailed tactical as the coach envisaged thats no disrespect to Viv but no one is bigger than the team
Another situation is she'll be taking a holiday so is not in the Holland squad for forthcoming friendlies make of that what you will.
I love Viv sticking up for her friend and teammate.
awesome to see!!! Love viv so much for this!
It not about time played it’s about respect and that is horrible. That’s almost like spitting at her feet give her at least ten minutes. Viv was in the right cause despite being upset she seemed respectful.
If Mana isn't getting the time then Arsenal should loan her out. Glad Viv stuck up for her. Hope things will improve for Mana...
They done this to Jordan nobbs too.its not fair. I think the players should be circulated so they all get a chance to play. That way, they all get play time and you end up with a great team and a happy team. Jordan nobbs is my favourite player. Absolute legend. Love her ❤️
There's something that's been bothering me about Jonas Eidevall since he's been a coach at Arsenal. Sure, it's human, but with him you can see that he has favorites in the team that he wants to push with a lot of playing time. Every professional soccer player admits that a coach can have a big influence on a career. He pushes Maanum and Blackstenius a lot, for example. For Blackstenius even Viv was put on the 10. But she played her most successful season at Arsenal on the 9 - why not stick with that? If he wants Maanum to play in midfield for tactical reasons, then it's a no-brainer in a top match (e.g. Lyon) that Blackstenius doesn't play from the start but Viv.
Finally, it must also be said that Jonas' treatment of Jordan Nobbs and also Mana is disrespectful. Jordan is one of the best midfielders in the league and can always (!) help a team. A coach who does not encourage and use these skills is not a good coach but a stubborn one. If he is not careful, this will fall on his feet. A coach has also to manage the vibes and the mood in the team, especially with so many good players.
I think Jonas wants to build something completely his own at Arsenal and strong minded players like Jordan or Viv are rather obstacles for him. Viv should have transferred after last season. And if you bench her 2 games in a row, it seems to me as if Jonas doesn't care if she extends again or not - at least he doesn't give her any arguments for it at the moment.
To call Iwabuchi (world champion 2011) on the pitch for only one minute is a lack of respect by the coach. She is not a rookie. Far better not to call her.
Im an arsenal supporter and love the Japan National team. I was so happy to see Iwabuchi joining Arsenal and noticed her lack of game time. 30 second of playtime is disrespectful. I get the manager found success with his selections so its hard to disrupt the chemistry, but god I hope she can get playtime and not just 30sec at the end.
she aint good enough maybe because the manager love japanese girls so he brought her
Just watched this and literally next minute Mana gets a great assist setting up Hurtig against Zurich. Thirty seconds is a joke, more of a strategic sub to slow the game down than an actual opportunity.
AHHH!!! Was so pumped for Mana!!! She looked so happy! She really is such a star!!
When you have a successful team, it can be hard for people on the bench to get playing time. Sad to see that such a talented player like Mana Iwabuchi isn't getting playing time. Great to see that Viv is trying to speak out for her friend.
Interesting Bayern München team photo, because Mana Iwabuchi, Vivianne Miedema and Manuela Zinsberger were playing there at the same time.
Just finished watching the Arsenal-Zurich match in the Champions League. Mana got to play 75 minutes and had a solid game.
Just for your information: Santi Cazorla is a Spanish international player who didn't get to play for the male Arsenal team for 1.5 seasons, mainly because of an injury due to hospital bacteria that almost caused an amputation. His contract wasn't extended at the end of the 2017/2018 season. He currently plays in Qatar.
OHH!! thank you Michael we had no idea who Cazorla was! Wow what a story! And OMG I had NO idea Manuela played with Viv Lisa and Mana All together! That is wild! Love seeing those old photos who from times long ago!
I love Viv for this!. Ofcourse you can’t expect that every top player will play equal minutes but 30seconds is a joke and even disrespectful. At least put players on for 10 minutes..
real madrid need only 2 minutes to equalize man city so what are u talking about 10 min is a lot for an average player
Viv is just very Dutch, a Dutch person will always speak their mind and be direct about it. So I get were Viv is coming from. Her friend is upset and she just sticks up for her. It's just ridiculous Mana only got 30 seconds of play time. Fans have been telling in the comments that Mana needs to be on the field playing and I agree. Also if I was Viv I would have done the same thing!
Vivianne is an absolute class act both on and off the pitch. Her work with common goal, the less fortunate children, gender equality is commendable. While on the field, her goal scoring exploits are second to none.
I don't think Viv yelled. She was just visibly disappointed. I think not playing Mana is sad for Viv, but playing 30 seconds is even worse, in a way. It's a bit condescending, like "there, there, here have 30 seconds".
Top heavy with players , Chelsea has the same problem . If players dont get play time they will probably move on , its a sad thing . its also up to the players to find out these things before signing up . Good to see Viv is standing up for her team mates.
I watch quite a few international sports and it boggles my mind when a team signs a top international player and then don’t play them. If it’s one or two games I get it but ten games? It is disrespectful in my mind. Send the player to a team where they get playing time and can make a difference for that team.
Mana should get game time 30 seconds is disrespectful
I love viv and arsenal ladies..Viv will be a great coach in the future..mana,Jordan and Lina starting in today's match up against zurich.and look what have they done.they have an incredible performance.they're winning again.
I personally if Mana is not starting, she would definitely be among my five substitutions that is allowed in a game. I rate her in my team higher than the new signing Hurtliq. I am saying if I am looking to use my substitutes apart from in goal or defense substitutions I will think of Nobbs, Frida and Mana
Es un desperdicio que teniendo tan buenas jugadoras, Jonas siempre favoresca a unas cuantas ( STINA) eso no lo hace un buen coach, Bravo VIV tú sí sabes lo que es jugar en Equipo!!!
Not disrespectful at all...what is disrespectful is Jonas not playing Mana and Nobbs more!!! and i ain't even an arsenal fan
but, the team is WINING, who cares if they don't play? if we want to win trophies let's leave behind the sentimental and more winning mentality.
@@jamairyperezvaloy7194 players care, this is their career and when they are as talented as mana, they need play time. If they aren't getting it, they will probably leave. it doesn't matter if they win trophies
@@jamairyperezvaloy7194 obviously the players care WTF they can't stay young forever to be on the bench they need to play and obviously they also want to be chosen for their national team For the World Cup. And 30 Secs is a FUCKING Joke
I was at the match between Arsenal v Zurich, Mana had a great game. Love Jordan Nobbs.
Mana should have stayed at Aston Villa; she'd be starting every game. I think she moved to Arsenal partly because they're a bigger WSL club, and partly because she's friends with Viv and Lisa, but you have to fight for your place in a team that strong. It's really sad to see her upset, but there's a simple solution - come back to Villa, Mana!
coach got favorite or idk
I am a Man United women's fan. I can honestly say that Marc Skinner has been pretty good at rotating the squad and giving everyone minutes. That is the way it should be...
Sara and Sarah, Jonas is pushed hard to win, win, win. The depth of the Arsenal team/ bench is absolutely amazing. Jonas can mix and match his players for the task ahead, but I can understand what you are taking about.
Football/ Soccer, at this level is highly pressurised now.
I hate the way mens football has a bunch of overpaid actors (diving and faking injury, etc) who cannot be bothered to work as hard as the women.
Team sports are alway about putting the best team forward to win.
As much as a lot of people talk about squad depth there have been a few occasions when arsenal are in the lead and comfortable in those instances why not give people minutes? I think he played the team he did yesterday to make sure those girls got some airtime for potential transfers.
Im not a fan of Viv, but this is really down to earth, I like how she stood up for her. Good on yah VIv ❤ respect
This is part of football when a team is deep like Arsenal is it gets hard for certain players to get playing time. This has happened to Christian Pulisic at Chelsea. You just have to wait your time coz there are better players at this moment in time. Plus she's under contract as well not just easy to move players under contract. She'll be ok she just needs to be ready physically and mentally when she does get a call up no matter how frustrated she is.
Every player will be needed to play their part through the season . Strength in depth is the bigger picture
Unfortunately this happens in sport usually they tend to move on!! Where they get time!! VIVS got nothing to loose I guess what ever her problem was!!! Really even Chelsea has players that probably don't get any playing time??? Take care👍👍👍👍
When coaches don't want a player they give them no game time at all , no need to see here. Mana should go where she is wanted.
30 seconds is a joke. An insult. If I was a player and the manager offered me 30 secs I’d tell him where to stick it. Even 10 minutes is a joke. A footballer should get at least a minimum of 20 minutes if coming off the bench and even 20 minutes is nothing.
Mana should move on to United she is technical on of the best players of that team but jona likes his team to be white. and Viv can come to us at Barcalona in the winter. We could use her upfront as a 9 to bang in some goals. It is clear that she has become a second choice to blackstenius. And I don't she wil like to put on the bench for long And Jonas wil only get humbeld when he loses. If not the arrogance wil overtake him u can not act like Emma Hayes because players wil take that from her as a woman,not from Him as a man. enjoy the winningstreak for now.
The coach has been so unfair to Mana. I always said it in my mind that what has she done not to even get any chance to play. As good as Mana is, I don't think she doesn't deserve to play. Watching Miedema recent games, she feels unmotivated too. I was about to crying while watching Mana look during that substitution against Liverpool. She should just move on to another club if she is not needed in the squad again but It would be a great loss.
Mana is the best footballer in that team, but it’s obvious that Jonas (the coach) doesn’t like minority players. Arsenal seems to be the only female team with no minority (unless you consider the Brazilian) playing in the team.
guess it worked because mana is starting RIGHT THEFUCK NOW :)
Seems like he brought her in sarcastically, as if to say well she got in. She made sure everyone could see her displeasure. The women have the power.
Mana would should be starting but I dont know what's wrong with this head coach
without minutes mana might not get to play for her national team
mana hasn't played much before tobins leaving
Similar case with Jordan. She is not being called for Emgland anymore
this is a great channel where have you been all this time
I think you probably got the lip reading but if you want to, reach out to Jomboy - his lip readings are spot on!
There are good reasons for strategic near end of game substitutions, but as a coach you would normally choose a junior or a real fringe player. Although no game time for Mana for a while now, she definitely isn't a fringe player as she could easily step in to any of the midfielders roles in a heart beat. A little disrespectful I believe.
I doubt Viv would of given any thought about the camera's when speaking to Jonas and I don't believe it was wrong as she is a leader in that team.
There could also be a possibility of a visa issue because she is obviously an import for a reason and if you aren't getting on the pitch then you aren't justifying your visa status. Therefore she could get deported maybe. That could be what Viv meant by saying she can't stay if she doesn't play. Not 100% sure on that but just a thought.
I hope Mana get's more game time because she is like a little magician. Similar to Santi Cazorla. 👍👍
you cant really do a simple position by position list and say well Mana is "4th choice on the right wing" because the thing that really matters is what she would bring to a game. And she provides something different to pretty much every other attacker. Arsenal have been so good that they havent really needed to make substitutions with the aim of scoring goals or creating chances and thats the niche she fills well. Tho I do agree that a 30 second cameo is insulting
Chin up Mana- great player. she's my favorite.
Jonas can do what he wants as it will be his head if they are doing badly, but Mana should speak with her feet and leave. Its unfair but thats professional sports. As long as he doesnt stop her going and hes being honest and upfront with her he doesnt have to play her. Although i do think putting her on only in injury time is a pisstake.
I hope she goes somewhere else and is happy and does well.
Its like beth england, top goal scorer for chelsea 2020 and wsl player that year. Then kerr comes and shes benched and now doesnt get called up for england. She should leave chelsea too.
that's true but is also a huge risk in your career development, leaving big clubs such as Chelsea and Arsenal is risky and not many people want to take a step down like that
No comparison Beth England gets way more game time then Mana,even playing full games
Jonas the coach shows no little respect to his players , if it is less then 5 min then they should say do it yourself. The players are more important then the coach in the team.
She should’ve pulled a Ronaldo and refused to be subbed in 😅
Just found out this. Sad to know about Mana. She's my favorite. Hope things go well and the Coach changes his mind. I don't like this "Ozil stand off"
You have a great Chanel!
AWFC announce on 2nd November that Viv is granted time off to rest and recharge. Now I see this video and understand why.
Substituting someone for 30 seconds is absolutely shameful and disrespecting! Great to see Miedema sticking up for her teammates when the coach fucks up
When you have a great player you put them in when your 4 goals up with 20 min to go. Play her or trade her. He's going to sink his own ship!
I thought you get match bonus if you get on the pitch even for 30 seconds
I thought a coach would reward players for training well get them on for the match bonus
Maybe I'm wrong 🤷🏾♂️
Jonas has been responsible for many of our experienced and important players leaving . He also bottled the league last year by not playing these players . Now mana (xavi of the women's game) has left, if he doesn't win the league then it's the sword he will die on
I rather she leave the club if she still don't get mins like she won't stay young forever she have to look after her own career and go to a Club where she might be more appreciated than at a club where she might sit on the bench forever or play one or two mins. This ain't fair to her.
I’m writing this comment after the Arsenal v Zurich game
1. Zurich is a part time team ie the players are not yet fully professional. Jonas had a view that they would be an easy win
2. Seven subs from the last game. I ask u would you see that happen in the mens team
Body language before the game didn’t seem positive. With that many changes (incl goalkeeper) I would have felt like the B team
3. I’m a huge viv fan. I look back and think she had a gut feel that she needed a change. I wish she had of moved. I’m glad it’s a 12 month contract. Seeing viv on the bench for extended periods is strange. If I were Man City I would be chasing her. After losing Ellen Lucy Caroline Weir and Kiera a marquee player like Viv would be ideal
4. The Mana 2 mins of playing time to me shows a disrespectful attitude to the players. He is basically sending a message to those he really doesn’t want.
5. With the World Cup in 2023 players need game time so their national teams are strong. If your a Good player not getting game time I say move to a club that will showcase your talent. I’d rather be happy than have a bigger pay check. It is prestigious to be at Arsenal Chelsea etc but if you don’t get to play then what’s the point
U need to earn your spot in the team but surely if you are getting on U need proper minutes especially for someone who hasn't been playing, superstars have games they're rested so U have to manage the squad to keep everyone on toes
Viv is dutch & the dutch speak their minds
I know how that feel every coach have their favour choice that is never fair
I will be very happy if she loan to West ham team up with Lisa Evans.
This is the same in many top grade teams, too many good players with a limited amount on the field/pitch/court.
Wasn’t Mana an important piece of Japan WNT for winning the WC?
Why they isolate MANA? My Bias! ?
Now Viv is leaving. And I blame Eidevall for this. Arsenal will regret this. I am sure Viv will score plenty of goals for whiever she plays for.
Hoje com Viv fora do clube podemos ver que muito deste video faz sentido e que Jonas está arruinando o Arsenal, ele definitivamente não sabe lidar com as jogadoras.
Clearly viv said 30 seconds there..
30 seconds is an insult. Mana should leave
Next thing Mana will be transferred, just like Lisa.
it goes both ways this. Its disrespectful because its not a close game so the tactic sub of killing of the match is out of question. Not played on this level but if my coach told me that to sub for about 30 sec in a game that is up by 2 i would have told him to go and fuck himself. You just dont do this to players. If its a close game then its about to kill it of then i have no problems with a late late LATE sub just to keep the win. And if this is the case that Viv said this to Jonas then she has more character than he does.
Jonas SHOULD know better as a coach to not put his players in this situation. Because this is textbook how you create problems in the dressingroom. It would have been much better to leave her on the bench. And even if your team is winning its very important to rotate the squad. Not the full 11 but you need to mix in players because you will pick up injuries during the season and then your players need to be in match form and they only get that from playing matches
Viv was totally right in speaking her mind to Edaviell?( no idea how to spell his name!)….She does not like unfairness and … and maybe other stuff….He is getting a bit too good for his ‘boots, just lately… since commentating on the Womens Euros… I watched a lot of , including his opinions etc….I feel he thinks that he is better than his players…wants to be ‘another Emma Hayes type figure’…but he is not even close… and I wouldn’t be surprised if his team are seeing that???….Emma Hayes is someone who is a genius at managing many talented people and creating a very inclusive atmosphere And mutual respect….Male managers of female teams do not know how to achieve this….( one of the many reasons for the dreadful consequences in the NWSL, in my opinion …expect some may disagree…and that’s their right)…I could see what Viv said at the end…’30 seconds…for F***ks sake’… then walked away.. looking very p•••ed off. He is very lucky that she decided to stay at Arsenal….and she may be thinking about that decision now … ??…Although defending her team mate … it was very public…and He wouldn’t like that.. it spoils his ‘image’ as ‘Mr nice guy/popular…look what I’ve done for Arsenal…..The players are who get the results and the end of the game.. Viv, Beth. Iwabuchi, Lotte….and the incomparable Captain Fantastic..Kim Little!!…Right , I have had my ‘rant’ like Viv!!….So sorry Ladies 😔😔… Sue (UK) 🙏🙏🥹🎉
A little OT, but can we have a moment of appreciation for Leah Williamson slaying the pink kit?
Jonas Bro ruining player good for Viv sticking up for players she's gone to Madrid or French club next year. Not the only coach doing this Skinner the same at united to Boa Risa getting an international dropped for lack of club play
Whats the problem here?
she's retired all the coaches want 6 foot tall players
It would tell Jonas to pick someone else …… coming on for 30 seconds ….. that is extremely rude and so disrespectful …… you are such a bad coach if you do that. You are hurting and damaging that player ….. nothing to gain, only trouble
Woah wat happened
Not to my mana chan
They should both transfer
Mana is women santi cazorla. The coach mannnnnnnnn
Say it like it is: this is harrassment of an international footballer by Mr Jonas Eidevall.
It’s unprofessional, players coming on for only 30 seconds happens all the time in the mens game mostly to waste time. Look at any other team there are always players that aren’t getting minutes, moaning to the coach about it in public doesn’t happen in the mens game why should it be acceptable in the womens game ? By all means you can knock on the mangers door and discuss it privately.
usually when managers bring on players to waste time they are either players that regularly play so there’s no ill-will, players coming back from injury, teenagers wanting to rack up appearances, or players that just dont give a shit if they play or don’t play bc they’re getting paid regardless. mana had not played in the last 10 games prior to liverpool and she is a seasoned professional that had proven her worth in several seasons. she was not injured and was completely available for selection, she is a hard trainer and always has a positive attitude despite not being selected. subbing her on for seconds when you include all those prior factors is equivalent to man utd subbing on Ronaldo for 30 seconds when he hasn’t played for weeks while they’re winning against bournemouth 4-0. It’s disrespectful.
and also men do moan to the coach in public. we see unhappy substitutions all the time. and similarly, we give them stick for it bc its unprofessional. it wasn’t alright for viv to do it in public, i agree, but like with the men who are unhappy with the sub - it just shows that the players CARE and they have passion.
@@charrpalliyah absolute nonsense, it’s the mangers decision who plays if there are better players ahead of her then it’s tough, if she wants game time then she can ask for a loan or a move no point in crying about it it’s pathetic, there’s so much effort being put to try and get the women’s game to be taken more seriously and then there’s this sort of unprofessional behaviour going on
@@charrpalliyah i can’t think of one occasion in the mens game when a player is moaning like that to the coach in public about not bringing another player on early enough
Cheeky Viv signed a measly one year contract. She is not committed to Arsenal. I don’t care what she has to say about anything regarding Jonas decisions about the first team and I don’t care if she starts as long as we win. She’s gone at the end of this season. Might as well bed in Stina for me she is and should remain first choice striker & Maanum should keep her place on midfield.
Because jonas was a racist he is having problem with her from start and she was Asian do you think manum is better than mana it does not make any sense
I went to Uni with Jonas and he's not a racist, that's all in your head.
Now I don't follow the womens team at all but there's a lot of whining about disrespect in this comment section like it never happens in football, it does, all the time, nothing disrespectful about it.
I mean I was pretty pissed off when Willian got endless minutes ahead of Pepe and Martinelli a couple of years ago, or when Saliba got loaned out again when the defenders we kept were so poor, but it is what it is.
Just look at the team after he come in arsenal 3 black player leave the arsenal women used to have 30-40 percent black player now only Asian player you have you disrespecting her all the time put her to play in the match last minute of the match that’s call racism on highest level
@@MdSumon-df4ji wow, I lost 10 iq points just by reading that drivel.
Stick to womens football please, you have no clue how the sport works on the highest level. Plonker.
@@MdSumon-df4ji I agree.
@@JamesCM86 Jonas isn't racist and Frida is balling out right now, player of the season so far, you guys need to stop being silly, this video was released before the reverse fixture against Zurich and now the next game has come around, we beat them again, scored 9 goals AND Iwabuchi was able to get one, she looked sad even after scoring because she's still not getting much minutes, but with the injuries we are picking up she can have a crucial part to play if we want to wrestle the league title from Chelsea and maybe suprise everyone in the UCL? We just topped the group of death and only Barca have scored more goals than us.