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im not sure how any these are value GPUs you can buy a brand new RX 5700XT 185$ and the RX 5500 XT is less 120$ new , the RX 6600 is great card especially if you take into account the power draw, but of course this video is a little old and i consider value only to be found in budget GPU as well, but price vs performance is the RX 6800 XT hands down but as far as 1080P play-ability vs price the 120$ 8G RX 5500 XT is way out in front, the sale end at the end of the month as well
What gpu you upgraded from and psu you using with your 6950xt? Thinking about getting the same one upgrading from my old Vega64 with EVGA 850 psu and i9 9900k...sigh decisions, decisions...or just get 6600xt now and do complete mb/cpu/gpu upgrade later?...smh
The amount of data shown in this video is nothing short of admirable, and I love your methods for calculating real world prices, but I must ask, since this is particularly relevant with AMD and Intel cards, how did you get your performance results, and how recent are they?
@@FriendNotFoeBand It's not selling though, which tells you, it is an unwanted card, it offers too little for the price in the segment where people were buying 70 class cards. Also AI is just another marketing nonsense, just like "content creators" were the years before. 90% of GeForce cards are bought for gaming and maybe some incidental rendering accelerations of your family videos, especially the lower-end graphics cards, which for Nvidia 4000 series is basically everything under the 4090, because it is literally cut to garbage levels. The 4070 is really a 60 class card, based on specs and based on the performance you get from it. It might be the most sensible priced Nvidia card for a long time, but that doesn't help when people think its still overpriced, and the competition has actually cards that offer way more future stability for cheaper. I would take 16GB of VRAM over 12GB any day, that ray tracing advantage in the 4070, wont be there come next year, when the 12GB isn't enough anymore at 1440p, and the 6800XT will stomp over this card, let alone the 6950XT. Also worth noting here is, that outside of US, the 4070 is priced around 10% from the 7900XT, at which point, nobody needs to think which card to get, one that is 20-30% faster in raster and gives you 20GB of VRAM, or well, the 12GB card that should have been a $400 card.
I can confirm a similar price trend in Germany too. I went for the RX7900XT because it was 100 Euros cheaper than the cheapest 4070ti, has more VRAM and about the same performance minus RT, which also isn't that far off.
Very nice analysis. The one thing I would nit pick is the comparison between the 7900xt and the 6950xt. There is a significant difference between the energy consumption, and that’s would eat into you $150 savings over time. Especially if you live in a market with high energy costs. Usually not an issue, but the 6950xt is particularly inefficient compared to it’s performance competition.
@@nadavcohen8560 Very good actually. I got the Qick version and so far I'm impressed. Even with 32C room temperature, card barely touches 70C edge temperature with the fans at 50% PWM. The hottest junction temperature (hot spot) I have recorded is 90C. The fans are not that loud either, but they get audible at around 65% PWM. Card is big, bigger than my old card with a Morpheus II cooler.
I really appreciate how you weren't reluctant to discuss the real-world application differences between AMD and NVidia cards. I normally stay in the mid-range cycle of cards (currently using a 1060 6GB card) however, the 6950XT value here is pretty insane, especially when considering future-proofing.
AMD graphics cards are awful, I 'upgraded' to a 6950xt (from a 2070 super) for a good 7 months and hated it. Unstable drivers, unstable recording software, horrible coil whine. I upgraded to a 4090 and I'm not looking back. I will never buy another AMD card again.
great videos, I really like these comparisons, also the fact that they come out after a whole month price checking, it makes them so valid for me keep it up man! ;)
Nvidia is going to bring out DLSS4 or 5 out for RTX5000-series without the support for RTX4000-series to force people to upgrade like this current generation.
@Mike Mike Hi Mike. I cant see myself spending a fortune on a 4090 which I can afford but will jut not spend. Secondly I will need to change almost my case, my power supply and various other components if I buy the 4090. So when I upgrade I will rather go for a 7900 XTX or 7900XT. It will be a less disruptive upgrade. Maybe if I started from scratch with a whole new system I would do a 4090 when I feel like spending a small fortune but for now I think AMD offers a lot of reasonable cards with 16 gig VRAM or more.
I bought the Power Color RX 6800XT Red Devil 16GB👿 I got a great price and i am so happy with it. I play in 1440p and this card really shines in this resolution 💯🌟
Great video. Extremely informative Just picked up an XFX 7900 XTX btw and I'm VERY HAPPY with it. In a world where games like TLOU & Hogwarts are supposedly "Broken" on Day1, living in that worry free 24GB Paradise is a GREAT FEELING!!! Everything is Butta!!!! Bring on the Future Baby!!!!
@Mike Mike Nah man, that's With RT maxed out too. RN I'm Rolling through Jedi Survivor at 4k maxed out with RT No Problem!! (Tbh, my avg fps is only 54fps, but my LG C1 OLED makes it Butta w/VRR:) I could get a locked 4k/60 w/RT turned off, but the game just looks flat. Anyway, this GPU is LEGIT AF!!
Recently the RX 5700xt has been going on average for 170 here recently, which performs on par/a tad lower then the RX 6600xt which costs approx 50-70 dollars more. While the card is from 2019 and does have 8gb of Vram, the 6600xt has the same amount of Vram which in my eyes makes the slightly older card a better value currently for its performance. Since you're going by cards sold new only I see why the RX 5000 series isn't included, but then the 6600xt sold new is $255 at its cheapest with other options closer to $300. There of course is country difference too but seems like everything data wise is standardized which is great.
@@micke2943 Same here. 5700XT is fine for 50-100fps at 1440p with most titles today. Might be a problem with ram in the future even though FSR helps out a lot.
You are not annoying, are informative and have actually done extensive research. Thank you for this video. I usually roll my eyes or get angry at the video that tells me it is informative and yet isn't. I will keep checking back to see what you have done next.
SECOND HAND is 🔑 I got my rtx 3090 24gb FE for $600 and 3080 FE for $450 both in like new condition and performance. With all the boxes and cables with warranty left on it. You don’t always need to buy bnew tho your mileage may vary.. just find a good local seller looking to jump on the new 4000 series and you’re set for the years to come with a fraction of the cost if you dont always chase the latest and greatest. Plus you’ll be saving yourself from paying taxes.
This was a very good summary, but I had to chuckle at the way that both the 6600 XT and the 6750 XT (allegedly the best options in your opinion) were more expensive than were shown here in the charts.
Our home rigs have the 6750 XT and 2 use 5700xt (my hand me downs to the kids) and for what we use our computers for, there is absolutely no way I will ever pay that much again for a gpu or be upgrading for 5 + years. All 3 of our pcs use 570 mobos with the ryzen 5800x3d. I will be skipping the entire next chipset as well. We have a few spare 2070s and 1660 supers sitting in a closet for back ups if anything fails. These prices on top of inflation are just going to put up and coming gamers (the crowd that keep tech and comp gaming alive) will just go back to consoles. I have not met any average teen/early 20s gamer that can waste a grand+ on a gpu for a few textures. RT itself is a joke. It adds nothing to our experience. Very good breakdown. I really appreciate the time you and your team put into the break down.
I got a 6700XT and more than happy with it. No plans on upgrading either, will probably keep it as long as I kept my 1060 (5 years), and no plans to upgrade to AM5 yet either. Having a blast gaming on it. I'd hate to be trapped in a cycle of needing the latest GPU/CPU with eyes on the % increase the whole time. Give me high/medium settings and I'm golden, you barely notice ultra anyway after a period of time in game. Reminds me of how PS2 games from memory were like photoreal, it's all in your head and they're not that important (just look at how ppl are loving that minecraft looking Battlefield style game which blew up). I guess if gaming is your only hobby and you have the disposable income then it's whatever, but with other hobbies, a kid and wife and actually liking to touch grass, I just couldn't justify an AM5 / 6900xt or 7900xt upgrade. Went with the 6700xt instead
My problem with the whole value calculations everyone makes, is that the cost to manufacture never seems to come up in the conversion. Take the 4070TI, being less than half the die size, half the memory bus, and half the memory capacity of the 4090, this would historically place this card with a 60 or 60TI name, with a price 1/3rd to 1/4th the price of the 4090, or $539 on the high side, and $400 on the low side of historical pricing. This is the first time in Nvidia's history, that a lower mid-range card has a higher per-card margin than the top end non-titan/non-90TI card The 4090 is roughly the same card as the 3090 die size and memory bus, it only went up by $100 or around 7% The 4070TI is roughly the same card as the 12GB 3060, upgraded to GDDR6X, and it went up by $570, or 242% of the price of the $329 3060 Dont forget that the 3090 was priced before the parts inflation/shortages, and the 3060 was priced right in the center of the parts shortages/inflation It is looking like the 4070TI might soon cost less to manufacture than the 12GB 3060, yet the asking price was going to be $900 before they changed the name from 12GB 4080, making it plain to see for anyone who didnt know, these names are arbetrary and based on how much they want you to pay for them, not how much it cost to manufacture
@@MrTKDartist R&D is not something new for the 40 series, every generation has needed to fund the next. I'm basing the cost of these cards on historical pricing, the equivelant of the 4090 in past cards, IE 3090, notr 3090TI, 2080TI not Titan RTX, 780TI not the Titan ect. And then the card that has the closest cost reduction that the 4070TI has to the 4090. Normally, they're given the XX60 name, and are priced at 1/3rd to 1/4th that of the equivelant cut-down top die. Even though the die size of the GTX 1080 and the 4070TI are the same, the 1080TI and Titan was reletively small compared to the top, making the 1060 actually a high average MSRP despite it being ~200mm instead of 300mm The 3060 was far below the average at almost 1/5th MSRP, but even taking the high average, the 4070TI should be costing $539, but as little as $400
This was really good advice. A question, with the caveat that I understand you are giving best and best by manufacturer. How can anyone be buying a 3060Ti over a 6700XT/6750XT? I don't get it. They're 20-25% cheaper with equal or slightly better performance. AND, a big and, they have 12GB of vram rather than 8. Before anyone says "ray tracing", cmon now, none of those cards are powerful enough that you're turning on ray tracing anyway.
Despite already having a good graphics card, I find this kind of content to be very entertaining. I find it that nvidia is stubborn with their pricing while AMD is excessively optimistic with launch MSRPs
every thing i bought used sucked. my 2500k was the shittiest overclocker i've ever seen for that cpu, and my 6900xt coil whines like crazy. those were my two used parts purchase in the last 12 years, and i regret both. i'm never buying used again.
For me today a good low end GPU has to be the 5700xt. Great price vs performance. I bought one for one of my kids PCs to replace a GTX 1070. I honestly can't buy a 3060 12gb or a 6600xt when you can get the 5700xt for under 200 quid alday. I get it's a risk but in my history of PC building since 1999.. new hardware has failed me far more than second hand.. Doa on new hardware over them years has been higher than secondhand Doa.
for me its pretty simple if you need to go cheap get a 6600xt if you have a bit more money to spend get the 6750xt if you want to go high end get a 6900xt or 6950xt and dont even bother going nvidia when gaming. fsr 3.0 is on the horizon and amds gpus really arent that bad on the high end when it comes to raytracing.
0:18 The 6600 XT was $230 when this came out? Jeez.... the price is $330 now for the MSI Model. It literally went from the BEST value, to one of the WORST values lmao, I'm glad I got mine when it was $260 with TLOU game. Rip to all those who watched this video late and purchased it at above $300.
i wish the video would end up with only the BEST options without focusing on the brand (i mean focusing on the brand on the rest of the video is a good idea since it can give "brand focused people" a way to know what to buy . but for the people that only buys the best at a certain price it would be interesting to JUST have the best picks without giving each brand a chance to be picked and more about "what the products gives you for the money you get " because the GDDR6X 3060 ti is for sure at a good price but only for Nvidia buyer only ^^"
I really understand about gpu. Bought exactly the msi 6750xt mech 2 OC about 5 days ago. It took me a while to decide. I live in brazil. not all models are avaiable. besides being around 30% more that you guys pay for the same card. my decision was based in exactly the words you mentioned BETTER VALUE PERFORMANCE AND CONSISTENCY . and now with you bideo reaching millions of views. more value over time. 😅 keep the good work
I've watched countless videos for GPU comparisons and this is a standout as the best. The charts are great and very informative. I can also say that I've tried a lot of these cards and completely agree with your take-home comments about their performance. I think every one is getting annoyed with Nvidia's attitude toward their client base and I personally hope to see them receive a dose of reality when a real competitor (hopefully AMD) levels the playing field by competing with them in professional applications usage and feature set, but I'm not sure we're less than two generations from getting there. Thanks for the content, the pc building community, and perhaps even more so; first-time builders need these videos, so please don't stop producing them.
Great video! However, I feel like I'm currently in quite the predicament. I have a 165Hz 1440p Gsync (not Gsync compatible) monitor meaning I'm stuck with Nvidia. However, looking at the current generation and not considering 2nd hand, there really isn't any good options. I currently have a 1080ti, which while is still good, is showing its age. $800 for a 4070 ti with 12 GB of VRAM is a little much for me. hopefully prices drop
Who are you, and why do I only find you now? Truly EXCELLENT video. Excellent production quality. And the information is exactly what I want. Constant effort over weeks if not months to make this episode,. This video earned a sub from me!
GPU doesn´t matter that much to me now, my flat is incredibly hot at the moment and I have had to limit all my games to 90 fps as a standard. AMD states 85 celsius is fine for a 7800x3d but the longer I play the warmer the coolant gets, given the ambient temperatures I just chose to be on the safe side. I simply don´t like 85 celsius in a prolonged gameplay session, 80 is as far as I will go. Limiting the FPS has solved my problem (not all games require it but most do currently). Apart from the "sort of" off topic rant, excellent video and thank you for the time spent.
Building my first PC for my birthday in a little over a month, and I was thinking of picking up a 6750 XT. Glad this confirms my choice, I will definitely go for this one!
Just got a 6950xt for €722 including tax and next day shipping, definately a good bargain to pair up with my i9 12900F, also got a 1000w gigabyte UD PSU for €100, great bargain considering the 7900xt would have just cost me €900ish
I was considering the 4070 from my 3060Ti since it has less power consumption vs the 3080, but I think I'll just wait for the mid ranger of the 5000 series.
At this point, you only need 16GB to play those newly released poorly-optimized ports. Yes, I'm pointing at Last of Us and RE4. Reviewers need to stop using them as a measure of performance. Ports have always been a poor measure of performance since the days of Batman Arkham Knight. Oh guess who did the Last of Us port?! Have we learned nothing?
Yes but we are slowly over growing 8GB same like we did to 2GB AND 4GB. What Nvidia is doing is planned obsolescence so you have to buy newer equipment sooner
I recently made a detailed post on reddit about this. Explaining why people need to chill out on 'panic buying' a new GPU. It recieved quite some attention. And also, RE4 is a good port, idk why mention that. I ran it at high with a 6600 xt :D
I appreciate the detail of analysis. However the results should be used with caution. Note that the reference prices are the lowest price available on the market of the given model. Therefore the volatility of this reference price is high. For example, 6800 XT is the video is $513, today the price is $540. 6750 XT is 350 vs 380. The price change may impact the value comparison
With my country pricing, things like 6800xt cost the same as 4070 which is 660. 3060Ti is really cheap at 460, but the combination of new, more vram and power efficiency made me go for 4070 right now
Nvidia needs to put more vram in new cards and AMD needs to put RT Cores in theirs, an RTX 4070 is the best value-performance option right now since AMD can't offer DLSS and RT cores, for competitive gamers a Radeon card is definitely a better option (higher fps of pure rasterization). Imma get a 4070 myself, I'm just waiting for the prices to settle down a little bit.
Y'all gonna need a GPU w/24GB VRAM if you want to play these "current gen & PC only" games. I'm playing SW Survivor at native 4k max and it's using More Than 23GB of VRAM AND 31GB of RAM!! All these games are going to use more than their console counterparts; which are running lower settings and res and are totally optimized in a way the PC versions just can't be. Good luck out there and happy gaming!!
Best gpu to buy in my country (NL) for 600-700$ price range, is the RX 6950 XT. it's 649$ right now. All Nvidia cards are at launch msrp or still at least 100$ more expensive than it's amd counterpart. (planning to game 1440p at 144hz)
I'd have probably bought a RX 7900 XT if the RX 6900 XT hadn't dropped to $650. It was a big enough price/performance difference to make me snatch it up. When I bought the RX 6900 XT, the 6950 was still at $700.
Reason to not wait depending on your own situation: As graphics cards get better, games allow more intensive graphics and more vram to be used in the future so as you wait to get a 7900 xtx in a few years it will be obsolete and we don't know what will happen in the future i.e market crashes and such
Reason I prefer to go for mid-range. I don't care enough about benchmarks to be bothered about minor % increases, and if I can save hundreds by turning down a couple simple settings from ultra to high, with a barely imperceptible impact on how a game looks and plays, then you're an idiot if you don't, IMO, unless you have more than enough disposable income to cover it. After 10 minutes I don't even notice the graphics anyway, so give me mid-range any day. Plus like you said you never know what will happen with sales, price crashes, or leaps in tech with the next Console cycle and devs making/optimizing a lot of games for that.
Still about recommendations: 8GB will soon bad choice if you buy GPU now and have interest in new games. Even at low range, it's still bad idea. You will forced to lower game settings and will miss some beautiful graphics, and forget the RT use. So don't go for 8GB GPU, not even at mid level. If you want spend good, and hold it for 2-3 years, better go for 12GB or even better 16GB VRAM GPUs. Just keep it in mind if you still go for 8GB GPUs (especially in low level range).
Following your channel after watching this video. Really high quality, good explanation and good visual to follow what your talking about instead of searching the right graph and pausing the video to do so.
I feel like this might help some people, so I will post a comment. My PC Specs: 13600kf 6700XT DDR5 5600Mhz CL36 2x16 2TB NVMe SSD from Leven, and a 500GB 970 EVO Plus as the boot drive. The main games I play are Minecraft, Valorant, LoL, various VR Steam Games, Cities Skylines, Football management games like FM23 and FIFA23, Elden Ring occasionally, etc. In games like Minecraft, I am running a Quilt Mod suite with fabric mods that improve performance (The CaffeineMC mods suite), and the fabric shaders mod. I have 8GB of RAM allocated to MC. With these specs, mods on a 1440p 144hz monitor, I am able to run a 64x64 texture pack with the highest setting BSL shader with a render and simulation distance of 24 chunks at an average of 200 FPS. My 1% lows were around 170 and my peak FPS was around 220. In Valorant, I am able to average over 500 at the highest settings, though the FPS would swing often, causing stutter. When capping the FPS to my screen resolution, My FPS never dipped by more than 5 frames from 150fps. It was very, very smooth. Games like Cities Skylines and FM23 put a lot more pressure on my system. Especially FM23. The load times when simulating seasons would take quite a while, but I was also running over 20 leagues on a large database of about 70,000 players. In Cities Skylines, performance is smooth for 90% of the gameplay, but larger cities would cause slight lag (Would drop under 100 FPS). I have not played Elden Ring on this system as I recently bought the GPU, but I would predict that I should be able to get over 144FPS on medium to high settings. If I'm wrong, I apologize. Please refer to GPU benchmark videos for accurate results. The main thing to take away is how well the 6700XT runs for systems that aren't playing hyper demanding games. When you spoke of the high value, yet time resistant cards, I think the 6700XT is probably the best, possibly beat by the 6800XT (But the price of the 6800XT makes it difficult to say). With 12 GB of VRAM and very, very good 1440p performance, you would be hard pressed to find a better card that you can buy for around $300 used, and usually less than $300 on sites like Ebay. My own card was bought open-box from Microcenter for $312 including tax. I also wanted to mention that I found it difficult to find 6750XTs at the price you stated in the video. Perhaps in the weeks following the video release, prices have gone up, but I doubt it. The cheapest 6750XT I found on Ebay was $335, and that was an outlier. It looks like the average for this GPU was around $400-$420. Microcenter sells the cards at $380, with my local store having one open box card at $380 as well (But it is a better AIB card). The 6700XT prices also seem a little off as I've regularly found cards close or even less than $300. This might affect your value graphs by a lot. I feel like it is important to keep in mind the "Used Market" as well, considering how miners are mass selling GPUs at a discount. (Also to note, contrary to belief, mined cards are actually very well taken care of the majority of the time).
I paid 1300€ for my rtx3080 about 2 years ago. Now it feels like a really bad deal, but back then it was the only one I could get and I really needed it. It has been great tho. I will probably upgrade it and my whole pc when the rtx6000 or rtx7000 series comes.
Maybe I missed it but what are you using as your quality settings? Higher quality settings may be VRAM-limited, and each gain in quality from Medium to High to Ultra is often accompanied by a significant performance hit.
splitting 'mid range' and 'high end' at 649 and 650 was kind of a weird choice, yeah I know thats how the math ended up but a $1 difference isn't something anyone would consider. the 3080 10gb should be in the same category as the 6900 and 6950 given the similar price.
Im interpreting the values here to mean higher resolution sees a larger impact from more powerful GPUs Ex - 4070ti vs 4090 @ 4k shows 98 -> 159fps, a 62% increase 4070ti vs 4090 @ 1080p shows 209 -> 250fps, a 20%~ increase So, the 4k/ultra (not recommended) gamer is seeing a gigantic performance increase compared to someone who plays on more competitive, more responsive settings. More FPS is a smoother experience AND lower latency. This combines with a high-refresh and clear display to give you the best experience.
"Value" comes down to your specific situation and range, as discussed in the video. Even if you can't afford a high-end GPU, you can still have a great gaming experience with something like the 6600XT just by lowering settings/resolution.
switched from my old 1080ti to a 4090 myself, seeing how long that 1080ti did me will and still was doing fine i feel like getting the flagship is almost always a smarter purchase. i'd rather have the couple years extra of future proofing that save a couple bucks now that i will end up spending when i need to upgrade sooner down the line anyways, not to mention i think the future of the 40 series looks very good with DLSS 3.
Hi. Did you follow the links in the description? Are you aware that your video clip shows one price, and the website (which you advertise) is completely different. For example in your video the price of RX 7900 XT is $900. On the site it is $800. Or RTX 4090 in your video is $1600. And on the site it's $1,720. Do you think this is normal and your content is quality?
Yep. Completely normal and I think my content has been valued by the community 🙏 As mentioned in the video, prices are volatile and the pinned comment has the most up to date best prices. I can't change how volatile prices are. All I can do is record them and structure the video in the most effective way. And, as stated, the graphs are the lowest 10% price over the last month (not absolute lowest - to combat pricing error anomalies and to represent a "good price" over the time period) So check the comment section and if the price isn't what you want, come back the next day... Things will likely change. (Which is why one of us spends roughly an hour a day doing this) James - TechLens
eh its not as much as people think even at 0.40 like in europe it will still add maybe 150-300 euros to your total cost in a year over 5 years span time. but with an average sallery of 1800 a month meaning 108k yeah not that bad then.
i recently bought the 6950xt asrock it runs very well i run 1440 at 100+ frames in 99% of games rt is pretty good but can definitely see the advantage of next gen especially for path tracing
I want to touch on a comment a few others have made regarding wattage and efficiency and the typical reply of 'who cares about electricity when buying a £600 graphics card'. I work from home, with my PC running from 9 - 5 for work and then additional mixed use in the evening and at weekends including heavy use in gaming. This won't all be at full load so for the sake of an example I will do a comparison assuming the GPU runs at full load for 4 hours per day on average. I am in the market for a GPU with a £600 budget and I am considering either the 4070 or the 6950 XT which can both be had for around £590 at the time of writing. Total card power figures below taken from Gamers Nexus 4070 review (for the sake of this example and due to a lack of data I won't touch on undervolting, frame rate capping etc. to further improve the efficiency of these cards, just taking the recorded max load power draw at face value): RTX 4070FE Stock : 203W Sapphire RX 6950 XT Nitro Stock VBIOS: 377.2W UK Electricity average price: £0.34/kwh and assuming 4 hours full load per day: RTX 4070FE Stock: £0.28 per day Sapphire RX 6950 XT Nitro Stock VBIOS: £0.51 per day Over the course of a year that is £84 of difference just on GPU energy consumption with the above assumptions. If you average this over say an expected 4 year lifetime, it then puts the RTX 4070 at £590 vs the 6950XT at £590 + 4 * £84 = £926 in comparative cost factoring in the difference in energy consumption. This isn't an argument for team green over team red, I still haven't bought a card yet and I loathe the 12GB in the 4070 and the 6950XT does enjoy around a 10% performance advantage in rasterization. I just wanted to highlight the frames per wattage is now a big consideration when making price comparisons on cards if you are unfortunate enough to live in an area with high energy costs and you are a heavy user.
Excellent video. Instant subscribe. Really like the lack of faff with the caveats. Feeling ok about my £1000 6900 xt at the start of the pandemic / shortage, now!
In Australia we remain in the rather perplexing situation with prices such as: RX 6600 XT: $455 AUD RX 6650 XT: $499 AUD RX 6700 10GB $439 AUD. YES CHEAPER AND FASTER! The RTX 4070 is DOA at $1,000 AUD.
Stay away from 8gb vram. Right now 12gb of vram is already considered to be the new bare minimum with plenty of games maxing out at 12gb vram even on 1080p and a few going well over 12gb on higher resolutions. So if you want a future proof gpu, do not buy 8gb gpu's. Buy one that has atleast 12gb vram or if you can stretch your budget, get 16gb vram, it will satisfy you alot more.
I'd like to show my written appreciation for your well thought out and presented analysis since, well, I can't like and subscribe more than once, right? 😉 Just a minor suggestion, data wise: I believe it would be more intuitive to lock the bar colours to a given resolution, instead of to bar length. Then we'd always associate, for instance, white to 4K in either FPS or cost/performance graphs, instead of flipping between 4K and 1080p white bars... Just my 0.02€! 🤓
A well designed and thought out video. Thank. PS: I used the data to buy an AMD. My card smoked beyond reasonable repair so even thought I wanted to wait, because of the present market stupidity I was forced to replace my video card. I bought the heaviest discounted from your list and cheapest I could find just to get by until prices return to normal. What ever good will Nvidia had with me is just gone. You think that is what Jensen wanted when he decided to "Shape the Market"?
One of the few people who thought the XT was the better buy and still proven right over and over. Those initial 100 dollars difference you could buy multiple other stuff for you rig. Now with 200 dollars difference its a no brainer. One of the few times major RUclipsrs that I like and respect like Steve and Stephen bashed on the GPU needlessly. Love to see how wrong they were in their hate.
Thanks for this video... I'm currently on a GTX 970. I just upgraded to a completely new Ryzen 9 7900 rig, but I'm stuck with either getting a $200 dollar card to use for 12 months (6600-ish) until options improve or buy one of the few options with 16 GBs of VRAM with the intention to keep it for the next 36+ months (7900 XT, 4080 or waiting for the 7800XT).
Man, I loved my GTX970 so much! I would have used through this summer but sadly sold it last summer due to shipping costs at the time (moved from Alaska to the mid-west for better medical).
Maybe a 6700XT even? I upgraded from a 1060 6GB and while I still could have got use out of it turning stuff down, even a 6700XT has been a massive difference. Honestly don't plan on upgrading that for at least 1-2 years, maybe even longer and I'll have it as long as I kept my 1060 (5 years). Then again I'm not a big graphics whore as you barely notice them after like 15 minutes in game, and I'm happy to match Console perf as that's roughly what most games are made for, so I guess everyone is diff.
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As for the performance of these cards, are the fps numbers based on the highest possible settings in tested games, the lowest, or is it averaged
i found a 3060ti GDDR6X a lot cheaper than you listed this doesn't seem accurate a lot closer to the 6750XT price point
im not sure how any these are value GPUs you can buy a brand new RX 5700XT 185$ and the RX 5500 XT is less 120$ new , the RX 6600 is great card especially if you take into account the power draw, but of course this video is a little old and i consider value only to be found in budget GPU as well, but price vs performance is the RX 6800 XT hands down but as far as 1080P play-ability vs price the 120$ 8G RX 5500 XT is way out in front, the sale end at the end of the month as well
As for real world price, you can pretty much add another 40% on top of that if you're not in the US.
Are you serious? It really be like that?
@@joshuaseib7514es and that is an understatement, in my country you can add 100% to 500%, the 3060 is at 1200$ USD ..
@@joshuaseib7514 in Canada 40% isn’t giving it enough credit, with tax easily 55% more
Canada there isn't significant tax. Have you tried converting USD to CAD lol
@@oussamamiri5435 And I thought my country had overpriced electronics. $1200 is just a scam.
I just got the Asrock Phantom Gaming rx 6950 xt for $609.99 at Newegg.I think I made the right choice after watching this video review. Thanks mate.
What gpu you upgraded from and psu you using with your 6950xt? Thinking about getting the same one upgrading from my old Vega64 with EVGA 850 psu and i9 9900k...sigh decisions, decisions...or just get 6600xt now and do complete mb/cpu/gpu upgrade later?...smh
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James. M, This is my first build, using 5700x.Later on I go with the 5800x3d, Corsair mx750x + gold. No OC, no RGB.all black.
Usd or cad?
@@OckhamsRazor01 850 is more than enough, just dont go bat crazy and OC till 500w. Otherwise u got plenty of headroom to spare
The amount of data shown in this video is nothing short of admirable, and I love your methods for calculating real world prices, but I must ask, since this is particularly relevant with AMD and Intel cards, how did you get your performance results, and how recent are they?
Don't buy any - wait until the prices really begin to slide.
We are listening to that for almost 3 years now, people need new GPUs.
@@kurosumomo Get value for money gpus if you have to. Rtx 3060 or rx 6700xt like depending on your budget
At this point, if you listen to y type of advice, you wont be able to buy a gpu ever.
Just buy what you can afford right now.
@@FriendNotFoeBand It's not selling though, which tells you, it is an unwanted card, it offers too little for the price in the segment where people were buying 70 class cards.
Also AI is just another marketing nonsense, just like "content creators" were the years before. 90% of GeForce cards are bought for gaming and maybe some incidental rendering accelerations of your family videos, especially the lower-end graphics cards, which for Nvidia 4000 series is basically everything under the 4090, because it is literally cut to garbage levels.
The 4070 is really a 60 class card, based on specs and based on the performance you get from it. It might be the most sensible priced Nvidia card for a long time, but that doesn't help when people think its still overpriced, and the competition has actually cards that offer way more future stability for cheaper. I would take 16GB of VRAM over 12GB any day, that ray tracing advantage in the 4070, wont be there come next year, when the 12GB isn't enough anymore at 1440p, and the 6800XT will stomp over this card, let alone the 6950XT.
Also worth noting here is, that outside of US, the 4070 is priced around 10% from the 7900XT, at which point, nobody needs to think which card to get, one that is 20-30% faster in raster and gives you 20GB of VRAM, or well, the 12GB card that should have been a $400 card.
Pulled the trigger with second hand market on a 6800 for 450 euros, upgrading from a rx580 which I sold for 100 euros...
I can confirm a similar price trend in Germany too. I went for the RX7900XT because it was 100 Euros cheaper than the cheapest 4070ti, has more VRAM and about the same performance minus RT, which also isn't that far off.
This is such an insanely good comparison, buyers guide and review, the best and most relevant GPU comparison video in years.
Nice work man!
Very nice analysis. The one thing I would nit pick is the comparison between the 7900xt and the 6950xt. There is a significant difference between the energy consumption, and that’s would eat into you $150 savings over time. Especially if you live in a market with high energy costs. Usually not an issue, but the 6950xt is particularly inefficient compared to it’s performance competition.
Just got a XFX 6750 XT. Very happy with it. Not going to wait for RDNA3 midrange options, as those will probably not offer the same value.
i got a 6800 oc for 480
How are the the temperatures?
@@nadavcohen8560 Very good actually. I got the Qick version and so far I'm impressed. Even with 32C room temperature, card barely touches 70C edge temperature with the fans at 50% PWM. The hottest junction temperature (hot spot) I have recorded is 90C. The fans are not that loud either, but they get audible at around 65% PWM. Card is big, bigger than my old card with a Morpheus II cooler.
@@deadinside777 thank you for the response have fun with your new card :)
@@nadavcohen8560 have fun frying eggs on it
I really appreciate how you weren't reluctant to discuss the real-world application differences between AMD and NVidia cards. I normally stay in the mid-range cycle of cards (currently using a 1060 6GB card) however, the 6950XT value here is pretty insane, especially when considering future-proofing.
The nvidia bias is crazy. AMD has such better value per frame its crazy
the 6950xt was 599.99 now 609.99 on newegg. the prices per frame are even better now. Hard to beat the 6950xt.
Now it's $630 LOL.
AMD graphics cards are awful, I 'upgraded' to a 6950xt (from a 2070 super) for a good 7 months and hated it. Unstable drivers, unstable recording software, horrible coil whine. I upgraded to a 4090 and I'm not looking back. I will never buy another AMD card again.
@@pill-poppingnarcissist I used a 6600 XT for seven months before upgrading and it was great. I think you just got a bad one.
great videos, I really like these comparisons, also the fact that they come out after a whole month price checking, it makes them so valid for me
keep it up man! ;)
Nvidia is going to bring out DLSS4 or 5 out for RTX5000-series without the support for RTX4000-series to force people to upgrade like this current generation.
Yes 😅
Very good. I lean towards AMD lately. Nvidia must really offer more VRAM.
@Mike Mike Hi Mike. I cant see myself spending a fortune on a 4090 which I can afford but will jut not spend. Secondly I will need to change almost my case, my power supply and various other components if I buy the 4090. So when I upgrade I will rather go for a 7900 XTX or 7900XT. It will be a less disruptive upgrade. Maybe if I started from scratch with a whole new system I would do a 4090 when I feel like spending a small fortune but for now I think AMD offers a lot of reasonable cards with 16 gig VRAM or more.
@@MikeMike-th4fumy 7900xt has 20gb at half the price
@@MikeMike-th4fu haha fake news... I've spent hours watching spec reviews, you couldn't be more wrong
Me too + the AMD drivers has gotten better
I bought the Power Color RX 6800XT Red Devil 16GB👿 I got a great price and i am so happy with it. I play in 1440p and this card really shines in this resolution 💯🌟
on the cost per frame chart you used $1100 for the rx6950xt even though it dropped to $650-700ish
Great video. Extremely informative
Just picked up an XFX 7900 XTX btw and I'm VERY HAPPY with it. In a world where games like TLOU & Hogwarts are supposedly "Broken" on Day1, living in that worry free 24GB Paradise is a GREAT FEELING!!! Everything is Butta!!!! Bring on the Future Baby!!!!
@Mike Mike Ray tracing is a gimmick right now. It's the new PhysX.
@Mike Mike Nah man, that's With RT maxed out too. RN I'm Rolling through Jedi Survivor at 4k maxed out with RT No Problem!! (Tbh, my avg fps is only 54fps, but my LG C1 OLED makes it Butta w/VRR:) I could get a locked 4k/60 w/RT turned off, but the game just looks flat. Anyway, this GPU is LEGIT AF!!
The "blue screen" meme at around 10:47 was a nice touch. I needed that laugh.Thanks.
I got a RX 6800 used for $370 shipped about 3 weeks ago and I feel like I’ve been won the value game
For sure, 6000 series is the better bang for your buck by a long shot right now.
Recently the RX 5700xt has been going on average for 170 here recently, which performs on par/a tad lower then the RX 6600xt which costs approx 50-70 dollars more. While the card is from 2019 and does have 8gb of Vram, the 6600xt has the same amount of Vram which in my eyes makes the slightly older card a better value currently for its performance.
Since you're going by cards sold new only I see why the RX 5000 series isn't included, but then the 6600xt sold new is $255 at its cheapest with other options closer to $300. There of course is country difference too but seems like everything data wise is standardized which is great.
Yupp, rocking my 5700xt still. Good value, bought in 2020 Q4 just before the the gpu market cracked!
@@micke2943 Same here. 5700XT is fine for 50-100fps at 1440p with most titles today. Might be a problem with ram in the future even though FSR helps out a lot.
Got my 5700xt at the start of 2020 right before the pandemic. The drivers sucked back then but nowadays it's rock solid. 1440p and 60-100+fps np
5700 XT is average as fast or a tad faster than 6650 XT tho.
You are not annoying, are informative and have actually done extensive research. Thank you for this video. I usually roll my eyes or get angry at the video that tells me it is informative and yet isn't. I will keep checking back to see what you have done next.
SECOND HAND is 🔑
I got my rtx 3090 24gb FE for $600 and 3080 FE for $450 both in like new condition and performance. With all the boxes and cables with warranty left on it.
You don’t always need to buy bnew tho your mileage may vary.. just find a good local seller looking to jump on the new 4000 series and you’re set for the years to come with a fraction of the cost if you dont always chase the latest and greatest. Plus you’ll be saving yourself from paying taxes.
I managed a Aorus 7900XTX for $950 and $400 for a 6950XT! 5700XT is also a great buy for used market instead of the 6600X.
@@hariskhan01 6950XT for $400 bro whatttt
@@dravenripley9468 It's possible with bidding method, currently there is one for less than $500 on bid.
Another great video! Keep up the great work :)
This was a very good summary, but I had to chuckle at the way that both the 6600 XT and the 6750 XT (allegedly the best options in your opinion) were more expensive than were shown here in the charts.
Prices in europe still sucks. Everything there is at least 80% markup of US prices its sad
Rx 6950 xt is 650 euros at mindfactory atm
@@leroyjenkins0736 the mid range cards are very expensive
@@leroyjenkins0736 Mindfactory is Germany only, and last I heard Germany is in Europe, but it isn't Europe.
@@kurosumomo in the Netherlands you can order from there
Our home rigs have the 6750 XT and 2 use 5700xt (my hand me downs to the kids) and for what we use our computers for, there is absolutely no way I will ever pay that much again for a gpu or be upgrading for 5 + years. All 3 of our pcs use 570 mobos with the ryzen 5800x3d. I will be skipping the entire next chipset as well. We have a few spare 2070s and 1660 supers sitting in a closet for back ups if anything fails. These prices on top of inflation are just going to put up and coming gamers (the crowd that keep tech and comp gaming alive) will just go back to consoles. I have not met any average teen/early 20s gamer that can waste a grand+ on a gpu for a few textures. RT itself is a joke. It adds nothing to our experience.
Very good breakdown. I really appreciate the time you and your team put into the break down.
I got a 6700XT and more than happy with it. No plans on upgrading either, will probably keep it as long as I kept my 1060 (5 years), and no plans to upgrade to AM5 yet either. Having a blast gaming on it.
I'd hate to be trapped in a cycle of needing the latest GPU/CPU with eyes on the % increase the whole time. Give me high/medium settings and I'm golden, you barely notice ultra anyway after a period of time in game. Reminds me of how PS2 games from memory were like photoreal, it's all in your head and they're not that important (just look at how ppl are loving that minecraft looking Battlefield style game which blew up).
I guess if gaming is your only hobby and you have the disposable income then it's whatever, but with other hobbies, a kid and wife and actually liking to touch grass, I just couldn't justify an AM5 / 6900xt or 7900xt upgrade. Went with the 6700xt instead
3:51 Bro I instantly subscribed that's GOAT behavior right there
My problem with the whole value calculations everyone makes, is that the cost to manufacture never seems to come up in the conversion.
Take the 4070TI, being less than half the die size, half the memory bus, and half the memory capacity of the 4090, this would historically place this card with a 60 or 60TI name, with a price 1/3rd to 1/4th the price of the 4090, or $539 on the high side, and $400 on the low side of historical pricing.
This is the first time in Nvidia's history, that a lower mid-range card has a higher per-card margin than the top end non-titan/non-90TI card
The 4090 is roughly the same card as the 3090 die size and memory bus, it only went up by $100 or around 7%
The 4070TI is roughly the same card as the 12GB 3060, upgraded to GDDR6X, and it went up by $570, or 242% of the price of the $329 3060
Dont forget that the 3090 was priced before the parts inflation/shortages, and the 3060 was priced right in the center of the parts shortages/inflation
It is looking like the 4070TI might soon cost less to manufacture than the 12GB 3060, yet the asking price was going to be $900 before they changed the name from 12GB 4080, making it plain to see for anyone who didnt know, these names are arbetrary and based on how much they want you to pay for them, not how much it cost to manufacture
While you’re right in real manufacturing cost, you should add R&D costs. New architecture isn’t free.
@@MrTKDartist R&D is not something new for the 40 series, every generation has needed to fund the next.
I'm basing the cost of these cards on historical pricing, the equivelant of the 4090 in past cards, IE 3090, notr 3090TI, 2080TI not Titan RTX, 780TI not the Titan ect.
And then the card that has the closest cost reduction that the 4070TI has to the 4090.
Normally, they're given the XX60 name, and are priced at 1/3rd to 1/4th that of the equivelant cut-down top die.
Even though the die size of the GTX 1080 and the 4070TI are the same, the 1080TI and Titan was reletively small compared to the top, making the 1060 actually a high average MSRP despite it being ~200mm instead of 300mm
The 3060 was far below the average at almost 1/5th MSRP, but even taking the high average, the 4070TI should be costing $539, but as little as $400
This was really good advice.
A question, with the caveat that I understand you are giving best and best by manufacturer. How can anyone be buying a 3060Ti over a 6700XT/6750XT? I don't get it. They're 20-25% cheaper with equal or slightly better performance. AND, a big and, they have 12GB of vram rather than 8. Before anyone says "ray tracing", cmon now, none of those cards are powerful enough that you're turning on ray tracing anyway.
Bingo. I went for a 6700XT and more than happy with it.
Despite already having a good graphics card, I find this kind of content to be very entertaining.
I find it that nvidia is stubborn with their pricing while AMD is excessively optimistic with launch MSRPs
wow that video is better than any other that i have seen clear instructions and short expanaitions damn like u need more views
If you find a good seller nothing wrong with a used card. I bought a 3090 for 700 in great shape no issues recently
every thing i bought used sucked. my 2500k was the shittiest overclocker i've ever seen for that cpu, and my 6900xt coil whines like crazy. those were my two used parts purchase in the last 12 years, and i regret both. i'm never buying used again.
@@GraveUypo I've had good luck with it and I sell my stuff when I upgrade so I know there are people out there who take care of their stuff
Only value cards are now 6600 XT, 6700XT, RTX 3060 Ti ,6800 XT, 6950 XT, RTX 4070 Ti , 7900 XTX and RTX 4090
For me today a good low end GPU has to be the 5700xt. Great price vs performance. I bought one for one of my kids PCs to replace a GTX 1070. I honestly can't buy a 3060 12gb or a 6600xt when you can get the 5700xt for under 200 quid alday. I get it's a risk but in my history of PC building since 1999.. new hardware has failed me far more than second hand.. Doa on new hardware over them years has been higher than secondhand Doa.
You have put a lot of effort into this video, thank you for making these highly informative and high quality videos.
for me its pretty simple if you need to go cheap get a 6600xt if you have a bit more money to spend get the 6750xt if you want to go high end get a 6900xt or 6950xt and dont even bother going nvidia when gaming. fsr 3.0 is on the horizon and amds gpus really arent that bad on the high end when it comes to raytracing.
Arguments like "It will get better soon" are so dumb. Why wait when you can enjoy a good GPU right away?
@@shokahishere9476 because you spend more than you have to? because you encourage bad prices and thus allow things to never change?
0:18 The 6600 XT was $230 when this came out? Jeez.... the price is $330 now for the MSI Model.
It literally went from the BEST value, to one of the WORST values lmao, I'm glad I got mine when it was $260 with TLOU game.
Rip to all those who watched this video late and purchased it at above $300.
i wish the video would end up with only the BEST options without focusing on the brand (i mean focusing on the brand on the rest of the video is a good idea since it can give "brand focused people" a way to know what to buy . but for the people that only buys the best at a certain price it would be interesting to JUST have the best picks without giving each brand a chance to be picked and more about "what the products gives you for the money you get " because the GDDR6X 3060 ti is for sure at a good price but only for Nvidia buyer only ^^"
I really understand about gpu. Bought exactly the msi 6750xt mech 2 OC about 5 days ago. It took me a while to decide. I live in brazil. not all models are avaiable. besides being around 30% more that you guys pay for the same card. my decision was based in exactly the words you mentioned BETTER VALUE PERFORMANCE AND CONSISTENCY . and now with you bideo reaching millions of views. more value over time. 😅 keep the good work
I've watched countless videos for GPU comparisons and this is a standout as the best. The charts are great and very informative. I can also say that I've tried a lot of these cards and completely agree with your take-home comments about their performance. I think every one is getting annoyed with Nvidia's attitude toward their client base and I personally hope to see them receive a dose of reality when a real competitor (hopefully AMD) levels the playing field by competing with them in professional applications usage and feature set, but I'm not sure we're less than two generations from getting there. Thanks for the content, the pc building community, and perhaps even more so; first-time builders need these videos, so please don't stop producing them.
@Mike Mike says the man on youtube wasting time being a prick instead of working. Hey Mike. Get a last name.
Great video! However, I feel like I'm currently in quite the predicament. I have a 165Hz 1440p Gsync (not Gsync compatible) monitor meaning I'm stuck with Nvidia. However, looking at the current generation and not considering 2nd hand, there really isn't any good options. I currently have a 1080ti, which while is still good, is showing its age. $800 for a 4070 ti with 12 GB of VRAM is a little much for me. hopefully prices drop
Rx 7700 coming out in June, I think I'll wait a bit and see how it affects prices.
6600 series goes out of stock😂
great video it would have been great to see performance numbers going back even to say the 1070 with used prices as their PPD
An idiot who also owns a pc shop says its ok to pay 30% more for 30% more performance from generation to generation lol.
I bought a RX 7900 XT for $780 at micro center. Very happy with the performance coming from a 2060.
I got a 7900xt and moving from Intel 620 graphics 😆🤯🫡
Who are you, and why do I only find you now?
Truly EXCELLENT video.
Excellent production quality.
And the information is exactly what I want.
Constant effort over weeks if not months to make this episode,.
This video earned a sub from me!
It is a good video. But from this point on, it's hard to see anybody recommending 8gb VRAM on anything but a budget card. It's just not mid-range.
I got lucky. I got a brand new RX 6700 XT at 270USD. It's the last stock and they wanted to sell it quick.
GPU doesn´t matter that much to me now, my flat is incredibly hot at the moment and I have had to limit all my games to 90 fps as a standard. AMD states 85 celsius is fine for a 7800x3d but the longer I play the warmer the coolant gets, given the ambient temperatures I just chose to be on the safe side. I simply don´t like 85 celsius in a prolonged gameplay session, 80 is as far as I will go. Limiting the FPS has solved my problem (not all games require it but most do currently).
Apart from the "sort of" off topic rant, excellent video and thank you for the time spent.
The issue is that the rx 6600 xt is 405usd where I live and not 230usd.
Building my first PC for my birthday in a little over a month, and I was thinking of picking up a 6750 XT. Glad this confirms my choice, I will definitely go for this one!
WOW super respect on this immense data source you've built.
Just got a 6950xt for €722 including tax and next day shipping, definately a good bargain to pair up with my i9 12900F, also got a 1000w gigabyte UD PSU for €100, great bargain considering the 7900xt would have just cost me €900ish
I was considering the 4070 from my 3060Ti since it has less power consumption vs the 3080, but I think I'll just wait for the mid ranger of the 5000 series.
And it'll still be 8gb of vram for 800£/$
Well thought out and presented, thankyou for all the time and effort you've put into this clip 👍👍
4mins in and i had to like the video for your work on GPU prices wow. Amazing work sir
At this point, you only need 16GB to play those newly released poorly-optimized ports. Yes, I'm pointing at Last of Us and RE4. Reviewers need to stop using them as a measure of performance. Ports have always been a poor measure of performance since the days of Batman Arkham Knight. Oh guess who did the Last of Us port?! Have we learned nothing?
Yes but we are slowly over growing 8GB same like we did to 2GB AND 4GB. What Nvidia is doing is planned obsolescence so you have to buy newer equipment sooner
Don't buy 8 unless it's really cheap it will fuck you over in the long run
I dont think re4 is a bad poorly optimized ports tho
I recently made a detailed post on reddit about this. Explaining why people need to chill out on 'panic buying' a new GPU. It recieved quite some attention.
And also, RE4 is a good port, idk why mention that. I ran it at high with a 6600 xt :D
RE4r isnt badly optimized. It's running Denuvo which makes it seem that way.
I appreciate the detail of analysis. However the results should be used with caution. Note that the reference prices are the lowest price available on the market of the given model.
Therefore the volatility of this reference price is high. For example, 6800 XT is the video is $513, today the price is $540. 6750 XT is 350 vs 380. The price change may impact the value comparison
With my country pricing, things like 6800xt cost the same as 4070 which is 660. 3060Ti is really cheap at 460, but the combination of new, more vram and power efficiency made me go for 4070 right now
Nvidia needs to put more vram in new cards and AMD needs to put RT Cores in theirs, an RTX 4070 is the best value-performance option right now since AMD can't offer DLSS and RT cores, for competitive gamers a Radeon card is definitely a better option (higher fps of pure rasterization).
Imma get a 4070 myself, I'm just waiting for the prices to settle down a little bit.
I watch all these videos card comparisons and can only conclude that VR games, much like birds, aren't real.
Y'all gonna need a GPU w/24GB VRAM if you want to play these "current gen & PC only" games. I'm playing SW Survivor at native 4k max and it's using More Than 23GB of VRAM AND 31GB of RAM!! All these games are going to use more than their console counterparts; which are running lower settings and res and are totally optimized in a way the PC versions just can't be. Good luck out there and happy gaming!!
Best gpu to buy in my country (NL) for 600-700$ price range, is the RX 6950 XT. it's 649$ right now. All Nvidia cards are at launch msrp or still at least 100$ more expensive than it's amd counterpart. (planning to game 1440p at 144hz)
Your channel is so underrated! You deserve more. Great content and production. Keep it up!
The best is Intel ARC 770, buy and support them for lower price or for few years GPU will cost like decent used car.
Never seen this channel before, you do a great job and have a new subscriber.
I'd have probably bought a RX 7900 XT if the RX 6900 XT hadn't dropped to $650. It was a big enough price/performance difference to make me snatch it up. When I bought the RX 6900 XT, the 6950 was still at $700.
I just picked up a 7900xt for 769 on Amazon
The fact that you can get the 7900xt for around 760 right now is fantastic
Reason to not wait depending on your own situation:
As graphics cards get better, games allow more intensive graphics and more vram to be used in the future so as you wait to get a 7900 xtx in a few years it will be obsolete and we don't know what will happen in the future i.e market crashes and such
Reason I prefer to go for mid-range. I don't care enough about benchmarks to be bothered about minor % increases, and if I can save hundreds by turning down a couple simple settings from ultra to high, with a barely imperceptible impact on how a game looks and plays, then you're an idiot if you don't, IMO, unless you have more than enough disposable income to cover it.
After 10 minutes I don't even notice the graphics anyway, so give me mid-range any day. Plus like you said you never know what will happen with sales, price crashes, or leaps in tech with the next Console cycle and devs making/optimizing a lot of games for that.
this is the best explanation of gfx cards in 2023 hands down. not even the bigger channels know how to convey your concepts simply. Well done sir
Still about recommendations: 8GB will soon bad choice if you buy GPU now and have interest in new games. Even at low range, it's still bad idea.
You will forced to lower game settings and will miss some beautiful graphics, and forget the RT use.
So don't go for 8GB GPU, not even at mid level.
If you want spend good, and hold it for 2-3 years, better go for 12GB or even better 16GB VRAM GPUs.
Just keep it in mind if you still go for 8GB GPUs (especially in low level range).
Following your channel after watching this video.
Really high quality, good explanation and good visual to follow what your talking about instead of searching the right graph and pausing the video to do so.
I feel like this might help some people, so I will post a comment.
My PC Specs:
13600kf
6700XT
DDR5 5600Mhz CL36 2x16
2TB NVMe SSD from Leven, and a 500GB 970 EVO Plus as the boot drive.
The main games I play are Minecraft, Valorant, LoL, various VR Steam Games, Cities Skylines, Football management games like FM23 and FIFA23, Elden Ring occasionally, etc.
In games like Minecraft, I am running a Quilt Mod suite with fabric mods that improve performance (The CaffeineMC mods suite), and the fabric shaders mod. I have 8GB of RAM allocated to MC. With these specs, mods on a 1440p 144hz monitor, I am able to run a 64x64 texture pack with the highest setting BSL shader with a render and simulation distance of 24 chunks at an average of 200 FPS. My 1% lows were around 170 and my peak FPS was around 220.
In Valorant, I am able to average over 500 at the highest settings, though the FPS would swing often, causing stutter. When capping the FPS to my screen resolution, My FPS never dipped by more than 5 frames from 150fps. It was very, very smooth.
Games like Cities Skylines and FM23 put a lot more pressure on my system. Especially FM23. The load times when simulating seasons would take quite a while, but I was also running over 20 leagues on a large database of about 70,000 players. In Cities Skylines, performance is smooth for 90% of the gameplay, but larger cities would cause slight lag (Would drop under 100 FPS).
I have not played Elden Ring on this system as I recently bought the GPU, but I would predict that I should be able to get over 144FPS on medium to high settings. If I'm wrong, I apologize. Please refer to GPU benchmark videos for accurate results.
The main thing to take away is how well the 6700XT runs for systems that aren't playing hyper demanding games. When you spoke of the high value, yet time resistant cards, I think the 6700XT is probably the best, possibly beat by the 6800XT (But the price of the 6800XT makes it difficult to say). With 12 GB of VRAM and very, very good 1440p performance, you would be hard pressed to find a better card that you can buy for around $300 used, and usually less than $300 on sites like Ebay. My own card was bought open-box from Microcenter for $312 including tax.
I also wanted to mention that I found it difficult to find 6750XTs at the price you stated in the video. Perhaps in the weeks following the video release, prices have gone up, but I doubt it. The cheapest 6750XT I found on Ebay was $335, and that was an outlier. It looks like the average for this GPU was around $400-$420. Microcenter sells the cards at $380, with my local store having one open box card at $380 as well (But it is a better AIB card).
The 6700XT prices also seem a little off as I've regularly found cards close or even less than $300. This might affect your value graphs by a lot. I feel like it is important to keep in mind the "Used Market" as well, considering how miners are mass selling GPUs at a discount. (Also to note, contrary to belief, mined cards are actually very well taken care of the majority of the time).
I paid 1300€ for my rtx3080 about 2 years ago. Now it feels like a really bad deal, but back then it was the only one I could get and I really needed it. It has been great tho. I will probably upgrade it and my whole pc when the rtx6000 or rtx7000 series comes.
You got the rtx 3080 10gb version?
@@Aaron14LifeZZZ yeah
Maybe I missed it but what are you using as your quality settings? Higher quality settings may be VRAM-limited, and each gain in quality from Medium to High to Ultra is often accompanied by a significant performance hit.
Thank you so much for making this video! This was exactly what I was trying to gather data on before I found your video.
splitting 'mid range' and 'high end' at 649 and 650 was kind of a weird choice, yeah I know thats how the math ended up but a $1 difference isn't something anyone would consider. the 3080 10gb should be in the same category as the 6900 and 6950 given the similar price.
Im interpreting the values here to mean higher resolution sees a larger impact from more powerful GPUs
Ex - 4070ti vs 4090 @ 4k shows 98 -> 159fps, a 62% increase
4070ti vs 4090 @ 1080p shows 209 -> 250fps, a 20%~ increase
So, the 4k/ultra (not recommended) gamer is seeing a gigantic performance increase compared to someone who plays on more competitive, more responsive settings.
More FPS is a smoother experience AND lower latency. This combines with a high-refresh and clear display to give you the best experience.
"Value" comes down to your specific situation and range, as discussed in the video.
Even if you can't afford a high-end GPU, you can still have a great gaming experience with something like the 6600XT just by lowering settings/resolution.
I appreciate all the time and research put into this video.
Spec'd a build 3 months ago identified the 6950 as the best value gaming cpu. Build done very happy with the result.
switched from my old 1080ti to a 4090 myself, seeing how long that 1080ti did me will and still was doing fine i feel like getting the flagship is almost always a smarter purchase. i'd rather have the couple years extra of future proofing that save a couple bucks now that i will end up spending when i need to upgrade sooner down the line anyways, not to mention i think the future of the 40 series looks very good with DLSS 3.
This was well thought out and produced. Thank you!
Hi. Did you follow the links in the description? Are you aware that your video clip shows one price, and the website (which you advertise) is completely different.
For example in your video the price of RX 7900 XT is $900. On the site it is $800.
Or RTX 4090 in your video is $1600. And on the site it's $1,720. Do you think this is normal and your content is quality?
Yep. Completely normal and I think my content has been valued by the community 🙏 As mentioned in the video, prices are volatile and the pinned comment has the most up to date best prices.
I can't change how volatile prices are. All I can do is record them and structure the video in the most effective way. And, as stated, the graphs are the lowest 10% price over the last month (not absolute lowest - to combat pricing error anomalies and to represent a "good price" over the time period)
So check the comment section and if the price isn't what you want, come back the next day... Things will likely change. (Which is why one of us spends roughly an hour a day doing this)
James - TechLens
AMD makes the RX series cards not Nvidia. Your intro is buggered.
Thanks for the info ... A note on your audio: there's too much high-end and very crispy on the ears ...
6950xt needs a lot of power, and that adds to total cost
eh its not as much as people think even at 0.40 like in europe it will still add maybe 150-300 euros to your total cost in a year over 5 years span time. but with an average sallery of 1800 a month meaning 108k yeah not that bad then.
@@Pand0rasAct0r_ it requires stronger psu as well, so in total you probably pay 100~500 more depending on gaming time
Just undervolt it!
i recently bought the 6950xt asrock it runs very well i run 1440 at 100+ frames in 99% of games rt is pretty good but can definitely see the advantage of next gen especially for path tracing
The two cheapest cards you have on here (Arc A380 and RX 6500 XT) get out performed by an rx 580 that you can find for as low as $70 usd brand new...
I want to touch on a comment a few others have made regarding wattage and efficiency and the typical reply of 'who cares about electricity when buying a £600 graphics card'.
I work from home, with my PC running from 9 - 5 for work and then additional mixed use in the evening and at weekends including heavy use in gaming. This won't all be at full load so for the sake of an example I will do a comparison assuming the GPU runs at full load for 4 hours per day on average. I am in the market for a GPU with a £600 budget and I am considering either the 4070 or the 6950 XT which can both be had for around £590 at the time of writing.
Total card power figures below taken from Gamers Nexus 4070 review (for the sake of this example and due to a lack of data I won't touch on undervolting, frame rate capping etc. to further improve the efficiency of these cards, just taking the recorded max load power draw at face value):
RTX 4070FE Stock : 203W
Sapphire RX 6950 XT Nitro Stock VBIOS: 377.2W
UK Electricity average price: £0.34/kwh and assuming 4 hours full load per day:
RTX 4070FE Stock: £0.28 per day
Sapphire RX 6950 XT Nitro Stock VBIOS: £0.51 per day
Over the course of a year that is £84 of difference just on GPU energy consumption with the above assumptions. If you average this over say an expected 4 year lifetime, it then puts the RTX 4070 at £590 vs the 6950XT at £590 + 4 * £84 = £926 in comparative cost factoring in the difference in energy consumption.
This isn't an argument for team green over team red, I still haven't bought a card yet and I loathe the 12GB in the 4070 and the 6950XT does enjoy around a 10% performance advantage in rasterization. I just wanted to highlight the frames per wattage is now a big consideration when making price comparisons on cards if you are unfortunate enough to live in an area with high energy costs and you are a heavy user.
Excellent video. Instant subscribe.
Really like the lack of faff with the caveats.
Feeling ok about my £1000 6900 xt at the start of the pandemic / shortage, now!
In Australia we remain in the rather perplexing situation with prices such as:
RX 6600 XT: $455 AUD
RX 6650 XT: $499 AUD
RX 6700 10GB $439 AUD. YES CHEAPER AND FASTER!
The RTX 4070 is DOA at $1,000 AUD.
good breakdown, I agree with what you've said
Amazing amount of data and detail, and WORK! Well played Sir!
Stay away from 8gb vram. Right now 12gb of vram is already considered to be the new bare minimum with plenty of games maxing out at 12gb vram even on 1080p and a few going well over 12gb on higher resolutions. So if you want a future proof gpu, do not buy 8gb gpu's. Buy one that has atleast 12gb vram or if you can stretch your budget, get 16gb vram, it will satisfy you alot more.
Perfect Video for anyone to understand how the market is going on right now before purchasing anything :) !
Awesome detailed video! Subbed!
Arc A750 for the win! For $230 you really can’t beat it.
I'd like to show my written appreciation for your well thought out and presented analysis since, well, I can't like and subscribe more than once, right? 😉
Just a minor suggestion, data wise: I believe it would be more intuitive to lock the bar colours to a given resolution, instead of to bar length. Then we'd always associate, for instance, white to 4K in either FPS or cost/performance graphs, instead of flipping between 4K and 1080p white bars... Just my 0.02€! 🤓
A well designed and thought out video. Thank. PS: I used the data to buy an AMD. My card smoked beyond reasonable repair so even thought I wanted to wait, because of the present market stupidity I was forced to replace my video card. I bought the heaviest discounted from your list and cheapest I could find just to get by until prices return to normal. What ever good will Nvidia had with me is just gone. You think that is what Jensen wanted when he decided to "Shape the Market"?
One of the few people who thought the XT was the better buy and still proven right over and over. Those initial 100 dollars difference you could buy multiple other stuff for you rig. Now with 200 dollars difference its a no brainer. One of the few times major RUclipsrs that I like and respect like Steve and Stephen bashed on the GPU needlessly. Love to see how wrong they were in their hate.
Thanks for this video... I'm currently on a GTX 970. I just upgraded to a completely new Ryzen 9 7900 rig, but I'm stuck with either getting a $200 dollar card to use for 12 months (6600-ish) until options improve or buy one of the few options with 16 GBs of VRAM with the intention to keep it for the next 36+ months (7900 XT, 4080 or waiting for the 7800XT).
Man, I loved my GTX970 so much! I would have used through this summer but sadly sold it last summer due to shipping costs at the time (moved from Alaska to the mid-west for better medical).
Maybe a 6700XT even? I upgraded from a 1060 6GB and while I still could have got use out of it turning stuff down, even a 6700XT has been a massive difference.
Honestly don't plan on upgrading that for at least 1-2 years, maybe even longer and I'll have it as long as I kept my 1060 (5 years). Then again I'm not a big graphics whore as you barely notice them after like 15 minutes in game, and I'm happy to match Console perf as that's roughly what most games are made for, so I guess everyone is diff.
Sub'd.
Good info and easy to understand!