I got DISQUALIFIED from a CATEGORY C ZWIFT RACE! Was it justified?
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I cannot believe I got disqualified from this category C Zwift race! Do you think it was justified? I think no! Not sure why this was but I'll take it on the chin I suppose!
Course: Douce, France
Category C
Zwift Racing Score category 375 - 450
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I'm a category C Zwifter, with an zFTP of 243 weighing 79.0kgs.
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You should update your ftp on Zwift by doing The Climb, a ramp test, or a 20-minute full effort.
243 FTP is way too low FTP for someone who could push 3.4 w/lkg for 20 min.
3.4 x 79 = 268.6*.95 = 255.17. Your ftp for this race was 255.17 and you were not going full gas.
Your FTP is likely to be close to 270
Good shout and funny you should mention this as my FTP got auto increased to 255 after this race. I’ll do a proper FTP test soon to get a more accurate reading as I do feel like I’ve progressed- I’d be happy with 270 👍🏻
You were the only person in the race who was over 3.2 watts per KG for "95% of 20" minutes, you were 3.223w/kg
I thought there were a couple others who also had a high overall power - look at the INOX person who didn’t get DQ’d? Could be the reason though if I was over the 3.2👍🏻
@@notpogi every single person on Zwiftpower was under 3.2 when you click on view 95%, I thought others would be higher but you were the only one
I fancy joining you mate for a race very similar fitness. Let's team up and race ha
Ridiculous, nothing wrong with your numbers and if you were over the cat threshold you’d have been upgraded to B? I’ve been beaten recently in C races by average watts of 3.6/3.7 per kg and the results stood on Zwift Power? It’s the lack of consistency that’s confusing and annoying. I kinda miss the old cone of shame that used to appear in crit city races!
Ahh the cone of shame! That brings back memories- used to make me laugh so much seeing that pop up in the old crit races 😂 You’re absolutely right Andrew, crazy how some C races you get the odd 3.6wkg and others 3.2 is too much, no consistency at all!
The only thing I understand is I don't understand how all this works! lol I just thought it was if you're over 3.2wkg and you do that over a few consecutive races then you got promoted. A DQ but not getting upgraded is basically Zwift saying "yeah you've been naughty but we won't kick you out of our party yet" lol
Great to see your fitness coming along Ollie!
Haha thanks mate! I love that - I’ve been naughty but I’ve not been kicked out of the party 😂😂 I don’t understand it either mate - just glad the fitness is pretty much there ready for ZRL, I’m still crossing my fingers we’ll be in the same league 😀 have a great weekend mate 👍🏻
@@notpogi I hope so too mate! I've been looking to see if I can find out whos in our league. This season the team i'm in is called Army Coyotes. Have a great weekend Ollie, weathers crap here so will probably be Zwifting
No idea why you would be DQ with them numbers. Im still a C cat, recently pushed 3.5 and 3.4wkg at 92kg and not got upgraded or dq
It’s strange mate, some people are saying I’m well over the limit but then I’ve definitely seen races like you say that are more than what I did? I’m going to try a B race anyway and see how I get on next week 👍🏻
I had the same once I was C and I went to B if I am not wrong, it's when you do more than 3 races over the category power. So you should be B now?😀 You're still in the fun zone. I am trying everything to get demoted from A, it doesn't work 🤣I am at the bottom of A
Mate you’re a very strong athlete though! I will definitely try a B race next week to see where I place, hopefully I’ll be able to hang on but I guess the good news is that the fitness is improving 💪🏻👍🏻
It's not pure w/kg it's analysing your entire effort to predict your power curve. It thinks your ftp is too much for that category so it may have looked at your shirt bursts and think you could have held your power for a longer duration. Take it as the trainings working and start to move up. Zwift power seems a bit more strict than zwifts in built category enforcement
That’s really interesting how it analyses those little bursts too. As you say it was a good training session and I’ll be giving cat B a go shortly 👍🏻
That actually happened to me in my very first zwift race. I had not done a proper FTP test before and Zwift told me I was a Cat C rider. First race I did like 3.4 Watts/KG average, got disqualified and instantly promoted to B. Since then I am a mid pack B rider, too good for C but not a chance to win in B.
B is such a tough category mate, I reckon I’d struggle with mid-pack pace now following the CE limit changes.. I’m going to give it a go next week though 👍🏻
@@notpogi you have similar numbers to me and I can consistently hold it with the middle of the pack in Cat B.
they did it to me a while ago, the Inox race organiser must have setup a strict 3.2 threshold and basically made up its own categories.
Yeah, weird that the Inox rider didn’t get DQ’d as he was well over the limits also! At least I’ll know for next time 👍🏻
Speaking as someone who has created a few Zwift races, it's easy to accidentally enable the WKG DQ in the event settings (I have done it, and gone back and corrected it) so my first question is whether they actually intended to do that. It's possible that it was an automated mistake. In CE races it should not be used because it can result in DQing riders who remain in the same category which is silly. That DQ code is left over from before CE existed. So talk to the organiser and they might sort it out for several people who should not have been DQ. If they did mean to do it then I would avoid their races unless you just want a training ride and don't care.
Thanks Paul, really interesting, I’ll ask the question I think because it’s strange how some of the riders got the WKG DQ and others with similar or higher power didn’t. It could have been an honest mistake though, I’ll find out 👍🏻
Great vids, I have raced against you last season and you was strong then so probably time for you to move to B
Thanks mate, that’s kind of you to say 👍🏻 I’m definitely not far off B, I’ll hopefully get involved in a B race soon as I want to see what the difference is like although Zwift Racing Score is due imminently 👍🏻
It's odd that they don't just upgrade you to the B's? It would make life easier for us at the bottom of C 😁
Haha 😛 I will jump into B soon I think although the new racing score is due imminently which will be interesting to see where it places everyone 👍🏻
You just bottom B cat / high C it's the worst place to be 😅
Haha yeah it’s proper emotional! 👍🏻
Out of order no wonder people are leaving.
Yeah I’m not sure why that’s happened but it’s such shame! 👍🏻
Completely justified. It's not debatable. It's just numbers. You ride in a terrible way from a tactical perspective and thus you ended up pushing the most 20 min. w/kg in the race, above the threshold.
Yeah I was disappointed I wasn’t able to win this one - just confused as to why some of the others who had a higher wkg in the race also didn’t get DQ’d? Have a look at the INOX rider…
You dirty sandbagger!!! Haha nah that was tough luck. Good stuff on your progression! Inspiring stuff mate!
Hahaha 🤣 I was waiting for that lol! Thanks mate, appreciate that - definitely happy with the progress, couple more weeks full on training and I’ll see if I can place well in ZRL 👍🏻
Yeah right, Ollie's a sandbagger😂. Somebody must have flagged you when you were attacking. Each time I looked at the watts of the people behind you and they were just about the same as yours. I have seen in chat while training how many people are not happy with this system. You should not have been DQ'd.
Hahaha I’m not a sandbagger 😛 I think someone must have flagged me which is a shame! I didn’t think I did anything too extreme like you say, but I’m glad you think I shouldn’t have been DQ’d - keep that pencil away! Hope you’re well Linda, looking forward to your return once fit, RUclips is a sad place without you!
No such nonsence in Indievelo.
Looking forward to giving it a try for sure 👍🏻
I don't think that's really DQ-worthy. But, it is a signal you need to step yourself up to CAT B, mate. You'll make more progress there with deeper, longer efforts!
I definitely agree mate, I do want to keep progressing so jumping into some cat B races will help with that, maybe I’ll try that next week 👍🏻
@@notpogi drop me a note. I'll join you.
WKG Tag is a Zwiftpower Old Categories...95% of 20minWkg was over 3.2Wkg
Yeah it’s funny though because a couple of others were also over and they weren’t DQ’d? 🤷🏻♂️
@@notpogi not when you calculate 95% of 20min. Or if they were under 200W.
to me, you looked very good la, strong, come to group B, I am not sure have the power to follow you, I am in B group race now
Thanks mate, I am going to try a B race next week and see how I get on - hopefully I’ll be ok to stay within the pack but it’ll be interesting to find out 👍🏻
Somebody complained. And if they DQ you they should DQ everyone that was able to chase you down.
Ah ok that makes sense now, wasn’t sure why I was singled out there. Could have been one of the guys that fell off the back, I have my suspicions.. 👍🏻
Is it really that easy to get someone disqualified? All I have to do is complain?
@@torrellex7634 You'd be surprised.
DQ makes no sense ( only in terms of tactics 😂). It is like the categorization systems: It has something of a black box 🤷♂️
It’s very strange, I definitely wasn’t the strongest rider there nor did I have the highest race wkg! Sad times! 👍🏻
Cracking racing mate. The training is really paying off! I don't think you deserved to be DQ'd, hopefully you can contact the race organiser and get them to sort it out, or at least explain why🤞
Thanks mate 👍🏻 hope you’re all good mate and are going to be racing this winter 👍🏻 yeah it was a bit weird, I think someone possibly didn’t like the attacks, I’ll message tomorrow and see if I can get to the bottom of it 👍🏻
@@notpogi I'm good thanks, just starting getting back into Zwift, ready for winter. It's amazing how quickly you lose the 'Zwift Fitness'!
Well done Nothing wrong with that race. While it's up the organiser how they want to apply their rules this is more a legacy setting not working well with CE.
WKG is applying DQ on your 95% 20 min power based on old ZP power bands.
Organiser really should be disabling that setting as if you qualify to enter a CE event there is no reason to DQ you.
It quite often gets set again for new events though as it's the default on ZP. More than likely the organiser would update the event if you give them a nudge.
italian based team so probably all snoozing at this time of night. i'd try message them tomorrow.
Thanks mate, glad you agree 👍🏻 Yeah that makes sense, it did feel like it wasn’t aligned to the new CE. I’ll definitely give them a nudge tomorrow like you say and hopefully they’ll be able to have a look at it.
Bit strange though how the INOX guy didn’t get DQ’d and it looked like he had the same happen to him - think he was at 3.3wkg 👍🏻
@@notpogiit’s based on 20 mins power you were at 3.4 and with 3 others that got DQ. I think there was one other at 3.4 but was slightly lower. You would need to looks at their raw watts to figure out exactly their w/kg aa it was probably rounded up to 3.4
Looking at zwiftpower, you had a distinct bump in your power curve at one minute. But there were other non DQ C's that were higher.
That’s what I’m most confused about the fact that others were similar or even had better numbers but didn’t get DQ’d? Seems very strange!
Don't worry too much about it, keep plugging away and eventually you'll want to go to Cat B anyway. I'm middle of the pack cat b so maybe I'll race ya!
Thanks mate, just took me a bit by surprise as I didn’t feel like I was out of place racing with that group. Yeah you’re right, hopefully I’ll get to b soon and would be great to race together 👍🏻
Love this course. Have had a few B-grade wins here as the finish is great for the sprinters!! Up to B grade you go!!
It’s a great course I agree! Love the finish too - I bet the B races are crazy fast, I’ll definitely jump into a B race soon 👍🏻
3.4WKG is above threshold to be C, it's that simple... so yes you are back where you rightfully belong, in B
I’m going to give B a go this coming week for sure 👍🏻 just found it strange that some of the others who also had a higher power didn’t get DQd?
@@notpogi they did not have a 20 minute value as high as yours as mentioned by others :)
Bollani had also 3.4wkg for 20 mins and 3.3wkg for the whole race I thought? Could be wrong though 👍🏻
Great race shame to see the DQ but mate it's time to get the Zwift steering
I know mate you’re right! I need to have a look at my whole set up again, thinking about a new trainer maybe 👀
Definately not DQ worthy, you did a great job!
Thanks mate! I didn’t think so either but glad you also think so 👍🏻
That David Brent cameo though ❤
Haha glad you enjoyed it mate, it always makes me laugh 😆
Hi mate like someone else said you’re probably getting stronger and soon be up at B cat anyway so take it as a positive mate
You rode the race well there sat in for first half then took it to the others good tactics, and it was a podium so take that great racing glad to see you back stronger 👍🫡
Hi mate, thanks very much 👍🏻 It was good to see you there after the race had finished! I’ll definitely take the positives and will try a B race next week to see if I’m ready for that 👍🏻
You had a great race too, 4wkg for 20 is class mate, looking forward to seeing you smash ZRL soon!
That makes no sense…
Yeah I just don’t understand when others were stronger on ZP and didn’t get DQ’d?
He’s got aim-watt. Hacker.
I think you mean wall...no Watt-hack 😂
Dez, if anyone’s hacking it’ll be you in rebirth island 😂 oh really Niles!
😂😂
imagine paying for a service and getting disqualified for this when swift is full of cheaters who don't get punished, just shows they will be going out of business soon if they don't improve
It was a shame as I thought I had a solid race and didn’t stand out way above anyone else in terms of power numbers! 👍🏻
legit DQ unfortunately, time to Cat up🦿 and give wilting 50+ fellas like me a chance in C 🤣
I’m definitely going to have a little go in B next week and see how I get on! I’m sure you’re not wilting, I do expect a win from you now though 👍🏻
@@notpogi 16:10hrs Stage 1: Pinarello Powered - Rolling Highlands 8th place😁 FTP only 200 watts so little chance of wins in C cat given most are well over 3 w/kg. Puncher power kept me in touch on the digs 2.6w/kg 20 min finishing power (Samson on Zwift)
Decent result that mate 👍🏻 tough course that as well!
@@notpogi Cheers Oli