Been mixing and producing since the nineties; it ain’t a mix until you’re feeling it. If you’re not moving in your chair, it ain’t good. You can look at it from all kinds of technical angles but if there’s no mojo/vibe/…. it ain’t gooooood. 😂
This is interesting! Nice to see the other side of the topic ‘minimal plugin use versus the kitchen sink plugin use philosophy ‘ This whole minimal argument gets really boring... The less is more discussion just means exactly that in the right context but it doesn’t mean more is bad.
I liked it. Wish it was twice as long and a bit deeper but that was great. Hung out with this dude at AES and he was cool as shit.. clearly very passionate and talented
Amazing how this fella really just sorta offers his thoughts out loud, but it seems to give more insight and teach more than any "how to" book... maybe that's just how I learn the best - by watching others demonstrate - but either way you can most certainly recognize the emotional and technical intelligence... oh and groovin' track indeed!! Love it! The only thing I've be stuck on.. there's so many awesome layers, but I couldn't stop wanting to showcase them all - guess that separates the men from the boys - or of course the women from the girls - being able to not get TOO EXCITED and exercise your knowledge skill AND RESTRAINT! For indeed mixes are about balances I suppose... Anyways badass!
Agreed, wish they would put out more sessions like these. As for the layers part, you might already know but for whatever it’s worth - the human brain can only perceive & distinguish 7(+/-3) different “sounds” all at the same time/moment on average, at most. There’s a biological/scientific explanation for that, something to do with the majority of people only being able to hold recognition/it’s generally our capacity for how many different things we can discernibly process all at the same time before things become a generally un-discernible collage that is just a jumbled mess of sounds. I put sounds in quotes because it’s not really 7(+/-3) individual sounds....but it’s 7(+/-3) GROUPS of sounds. For example when the whole drum beat(including hi hats) sets in on the one - we tend to perceive that as just “one” sound group in our perception. - But for example if just the kick & snare come into the composition...and then 4 bars/measures later the high hats come in - then we perceive that as 2 different (groups of)”sounds”. It’s all about the sequence of presentation in this setting/example. Anyways what I’m trying to say is you can have practically unlimited layers of sounds and it will still translate perfectly well - IF the each of those sounds unify together to cohesively express only 7(+/-3) individual *groups of sounds. Because the listener usually won’t even recognize that it’s a group of sounds - they’re only take it in as “one” sound/element.
TLDR; There’s no limit to how many layers you can have (other than the one your computer dictates haha) as long as all those sounds ultimately break down into achieving a maximum of only 7(+/-3) individual elements/components of the song.
And PS that's some next level mixing on the vocals there.. my goodness unbelievable how treated, but it sounds 100% real big and ineligible.. neat tricks.. I'm listening on a cell phone with 30 foot ceilings and it's bigger, clearer and fatter sounding than most things coming through my 12" speakers otherwise! 😆
@@opinionpeace Simply download the demo, install it, go to the samples folder, audition it, copy some samples that you like, done. It's not illegal since you legit download the demo not using warez.
Not that i'm speaking for him, but from what i gather on this video, he would do whatever it takes. I think Dub bass comes a lot from the source too. I've always found a nice set of flatwound strings and the treble rolled off quite a lot get's me a good basic dub bass starting point, even a old bit of foam under the strings trick is worth trying. I've also had good success at using pitch shift plugin an octave down helps, but only blend in a little bit of the lower octave so you're preserving most of the original bass pitch. Also playing quite lightly helps with dub. Maybe a faster attack on the compressor than you might usually use on bass can work on a dub style bass.
I loved using Ableton Lite like this.... the sound is incredible!!! That, but the limitation of 12 fx and 6 plugins was a major letdown... I'm using a full version of mixcraft8 now which will allow ANY vst plugin - no disappointments here. Yes, if psychedelics is your cup of tea - this is the DAW. If you're looking for live rock / any type of audio/midi recording I'd say stick to the 'less is more' easy and inexpensive DAWs
There are none. Women don't know how to mix, that is why... Hehe, I would know, I happen to own a studio, and really all I allow women to do at the recording plant is intern, so basically prepare the coffee in the house. They sure as hell won't touch my Neve console, or any of the outboard - ever. Tea, coffee and phone calls. A few errands here and there, but mixing, nope - definitely not. Nothing personal, this is just how it works. Hehe, no hard feelings.
This guy is on an industry mission to sell you as much plugins as possible. The way he describes how he uses them isn't even serious. Please guys, do yourself a favor and skip this video.
Yeah, but there are no 'good' or 'bad' sounds, just good or bad contexts. So in the right situation they don't even take one single plugin to sound good. But I'm afraid there are some good (payed) engineers on RUclips trying to fade this fact.
jarry Dee bro nothing is more psychedelic than taking your own sounds and sampling them/chopping them up. This aint bootleg shit, this is money! Took him alot of time
So how could this band sound and play exactly like this live? Its over produced if the band cant sound or do everything live that they did on the record which leads to disappointment. That;s why I hate when bands have 4 guitar tracks, 6 backing vocals, 10 drum tracks, 5 percussion tracks etc, when its only a 4 piece band...
I also as everyone else like the mix but I agree with you as well. If it's just strictly a mixing production and nothing else then great piece of Musical ART WORK and CREATIVITY, but too much icing can make any cake taste bad.
I agree that its a bummer when a band/artist can't translate their songs on stage...and equally bad when they can't translate their show to an album... I personally think anything is possible now days with all the amazing tools/musical instruments we have... Thats the fun! Pushing sounds forward, using technology to enhance an album and the live show...Serve the genre, blend genre... I love both. There is no rule that a band has to sound like the album, or vice versa ... A lot of times the fx I create in the studio will not work live in the same way and it becomes very fun to figure out make it have the same feel or better feel in the live context......Rules are there to be broken tastefully...
I would say it depends. If your stuff is overproduced you should put on a very sick live show. I know for a fact Jimmy Page used many guitars on certain tracks but his live stuff was always 100 times better. It could be because they improvised a lot which most bands don't do anymore
the track sounds like a cheaper version of the highly praised led Zeppelinish era. technology moved mountains, yet i wonder why some folks sit there creating digital classic box-rock inside a laptop ...
Huh? This band sounds nothing like Led Zeppelin (or to any band in that vein). Aside from that, why do you have to be one of those "why can't everything be like it used to be" guys?
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he's producing the track as much as he's mixing it
That vox verb wash is just insane. Wouldn't mind just seeing that as a tutorial from beginning to end of the chain.
Shout out to Stu White! One of the legendary Engineers who makes the sound behind everyone's favorite artists, RESPECT! =)
Just in case you weren't aware
There's a shipping yard about 100 yards from here.
100?
Probably one of the worst openings lines in psych rock history
cheers for the heads up
@Marko Fahrenheit They are shipping self help meds lmao....
@@slavepit1819 It gives "innagaddadavida baby" a run for its money anyway.
i've watched this like 10 times now...sick
Nice walkthrough, it shows that we have to be creative on using the technics, not to be slaves of engineering methods.
Been mixing and producing since the nineties; it ain’t a mix until you’re feeling it. If you’re not moving in your chair, it ain’t good. You can look at it from all kinds of technical angles but if there’s no mojo/vibe/…. it ain’t gooooood. 😂
Truth!
This is interesting! Nice to see the other side of the topic ‘minimal plugin use versus the kitchen sink plugin use philosophy ‘
This whole minimal argument gets really boring... The less is more discussion just means exactly that in the right context but it doesn’t mean more is bad.
Honestly one of the best mixing breakdowns ive ever seen. Gotta get up with you one day Stu... Mad tinggg
I liked it. Wish it was twice as long and a bit deeper but that was great. Hung out with this dude at AES and he was cool as shit.. clearly very passionate and talented
thanks bro...hit me up sometime
best studio in DC! Been trying to connect about an internship for a while.
Amazing how this fella really just sorta offers his thoughts out loud, but it seems to give more insight and teach more than any "how to" book... maybe that's just how I learn the best - by watching others demonstrate - but either way you can most certainly recognize the emotional and technical intelligence... oh and groovin' track indeed!! Love it!
The only thing I've be stuck on.. there's so many awesome layers, but I couldn't stop wanting to showcase them all - guess that separates the men from the boys - or of course the women from the girls - being able to not get TOO EXCITED and exercise your knowledge skill AND RESTRAINT! For indeed mixes are about balances I suppose...
Anyways badass!
Agreed, wish they would put out more sessions like these. As for the layers part, you might already know but for whatever it’s worth - the human brain can only perceive & distinguish 7(+/-3) different “sounds” all at the same time/moment on average, at most. There’s a biological/scientific explanation for that, something to do with the majority of people only being able to hold recognition/it’s generally our capacity for how many different things we can discernibly process all at the same time before things become a generally un-discernible collage that is just a jumbled mess of sounds.
I put sounds in quotes because it’s not really 7(+/-3) individual sounds....but it’s 7(+/-3) GROUPS of sounds. For example when the whole drum beat(including hi hats) sets in on the one - we tend to perceive that as just “one” sound group in our perception. - But for example if just the kick & snare come into the composition...and then 4 bars/measures later the high hats come in - then we perceive that as 2 different (groups of)”sounds”. It’s all about the sequence of presentation in this setting/example.
Anyways what I’m trying to say is you can have practically unlimited layers of sounds and it will still translate perfectly well - IF the each of those sounds unify together to cohesively express only 7(+/-3) individual *groups of sounds.
Because the listener usually won’t even recognize that it’s a group of sounds - they’re only take it in as “one” sound/element.
TLDR; There’s no limit to how many layers you can have (other than the one your computer dictates haha) as long as all those sounds ultimately break down into achieving a maximum of only 7(+/-3) individual elements/components of the song.
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That was like, totally super dope.
Awesome tune and some encouragement to experiment with those affects.
This is pure gold.
These drum tracks are cool hip hop on psych rock is really nice.
I agree
And PS that's some next level mixing on the vocals there.. my goodness unbelievable how treated, but it sounds 100% real big and ineligible.. neat tricks.. I'm listening on a cell phone with 30 foot ceilings and it's bigger, clearer and fatter sounding than most things coming through my 12" speakers otherwise! 😆
Wow, what a thick and luscious sound! Great work.
Definitely got a cool trip hop vibe in the drums enjoying the sound of that groove
Super dope. Can't wait to incorporate some of these techniques to my own mixes.
Cool breakdown thanks.
you're welcome!
What is it with psychedelic dudes being named Stu
examples?
mushroom stu duuuhhhh
@@richieborman4342 Stu Mackenzie King Gizzard
Hahahah word
Says Jake.
Great tips - superb mix!
thank you kind sir...
god bless this man
that part about adding a fundamental kick sample... :O knowledge!! anyone have any ideas on how to create one yourself??
Boi Mesa sonic académy kick 2
love this! I was there. Cant wait for the next!!!
Excellent walkthrough video!
Joel Pearson
Amazing video, thanks so much Stuart
Reminds me of Spiritualized a bit with the git line..
Incredible!!!
Awesome!
Loved it
The main drum break is from Lamont Dozier’s Take off your Makeup
This song slaps so hard
god man. my newest track sounds so similar to this but way less mixed lol, i livelooped it but still this is sick.
It's always fun to have your bad habits validated by the pros. Lol
this was dope and informative.
i want that kick!
yousif elfadli found anything similar?
@@opinionpeace FL Studio native kick sample pack have some with that type of kick.
@@adisatrio3871 thanks for the response mate, im a logic user so not sure i can get it. thanks anyway :)
@@opinionpeace Simply download the demo, install it, go to the samples folder, audition it, copy some samples that you like, done. It's not illegal since you legit download the demo not using warez.
@@adisatrio3871 going for it now, thanks mate
Genius
Good stuff!
I wish you could hear more of those drums in the intro in the actual song- there's just too much going on. They are so dope though
Great Vid!!
I suppose Dub was Jamaican psychedelia but the approach here owes as much to King Tubby as it does to Eddie Kramer, if not more so.
love tubby and scratch...big influence on me!
Stuart how would u treat bass in a dub mix, many plugs or keep it simple? thnx
Not that i'm speaking for him, but from what i gather on this video, he would do whatever it takes. I think Dub bass comes a lot from the source too. I've always found a nice set of flatwound strings and the treble rolled off quite a lot get's me a good basic dub bass starting point, even a old bit of foam under the strings trick is worth trying. I've also had good success at using pitch shift plugin an octave down helps, but only blend in a little bit of the lower octave so you're preserving most of the original bass pitch. Also playing quite lightly helps with dub. Maybe a faster attack on the compressor than you might usually use on bass can work on a dub style bass.
What does he mean when he said he put the. "summing" on the drum bus?
Hi Dylan. Thanks for the most interesting question in all the comments. which its the summing machine? Cheers Mate.
Refreshing to hear someone else has to bounce tracks as they mix lol
Add six plugins, patch to aux, add six more plugins, run it through a string telehone.... There are no rules, right? ^^
What does patch to aux mean and how would you do it in logic pro?
@@cuancake4911 create a bus track/aux track and create a send from your audio track to the bus/aux track.
I spy with my little eye an Apogee duet!!!
What’s going on with the kick. Some kind of reverse sound
I loved using Ableton Lite like this.... the sound is incredible!!! That, but the limitation of 12 fx and 6 plugins was a major letdown... I'm using a full version of mixcraft8 now which will allow ANY vst plugin - no disappointments here. Yes, if psychedelics is your cup of tea - this is the DAW. If you're looking for live rock / any type of audio/midi recording I'd say stick to the 'less is more' easy and inexpensive DAWs
Peter Heinen this is pro tools
I like it tho I liked the different tracks played solo more than the whole mix together
To me, the song kinda sounds like the middle part of "Echoes" by Pink Floyd
Wido De Marco i was thinking of the Stone Rosses
Which song?
Wido De Marco fools gold. The full version
damn
what's up with dudes glasses at the beginning??
What about them?
Where are the female mixers??
There are none. Women don't know how to mix, that is why... Hehe, I would know, I happen to own a studio, and really all I allow women to do at the recording plant is intern, so basically prepare the coffee in the house. They sure as hell won't touch my Neve console, or any of the outboard - ever. Tea, coffee and phone calls. A few errands here and there, but mixing, nope - definitely not.
Nothing personal, this is just how it works. Hehe, no hard feelings.
your mother must be so proud
Oh, cry me a fucking river, Robbie boy. Pfft... I laugh.
How many women do you employ? Exactly. Go and try to achieve something, you pathetic whiny effeminate loser bum.
The only weak m'fuckas are the ones who need to write off half the species just to feel good about themselves.
getting strong BRMC vibes off that vocalist
The title is misleading! I thought would be some drugs cooking
Saad Dawsi I thought it was about psy trance. I dont know what you were thinking off 😂😂😂
youtube is misleading, we all should be feeding the poor
Funny joke dude..
Ableton Beat Repeat!!!!! Mix is a Heavy sound but much too dense and full for my ears.
Get him an espresso quick.
How stoned was he?
haha, no weed that day....I hadn't slept in 36 hours! Red Bull and Adrenaline!
Not much at this session but the day before ... must be. hehehehe
Congratulations on successfully biting UK Garage et al circa 1998.
That shit ain't trippy enough for me , go to soundcloud/markaustinhunt and listen to trippin balls , that's trippy
WTF
This guy is on an industry mission to sell you as much plugins as possible. The way he describes how he uses them isn't even serious. Please guys, do yourself a favor and skip this video.
Alex Hörmann whatever makes it sound good; 3 plugs or 12
Yeah, but there are no 'good' or 'bad' sounds, just good or bad contexts. So in the right situation they don't even take one single plugin to sound good. But I'm afraid there are some good (payed) engineers on RUclips trying to fade this fact.
I disagree considering a sizable portion of the plugins he's showcasing come stock with Protools.
You are an idiot.
thank you Blake....
How the vocal kicks in is very poor indeed,huge click in sound This guys needs to use his ears.
do not destroy the true meaning of psychedelic music. This is more sample based crap.
jarry Dee bro nothing is more psychedelic than taking your own sounds and sampling them/chopping them up. This aint bootleg shit, this is money! Took him alot of time
So how could this band sound and play exactly like this live? Its over produced if the band cant sound or do everything live that they did on the record which leads to disappointment. That;s why I hate when bands have 4 guitar tracks, 6 backing vocals, 10 drum tracks, 5 percussion tracks etc, when its only a 4 piece band...
I also as everyone else like the mix but I agree with you as well. If it's just strictly a mixing production and nothing else then great piece of Musical ART WORK and CREATIVITY, but too much icing can make any cake taste bad.
I agree that its a bummer when a band/artist can't translate their songs on stage...and equally bad when they can't translate their show to an album... I personally think anything is possible now days with all the amazing tools/musical instruments we have... Thats the fun! Pushing sounds forward, using technology to enhance an album and the live show...Serve the genre, blend genre... I love both. There is no rule that a band has to sound like the album, or vice versa ... A lot of times the fx I create in the studio will not work live in the same way and it becomes very fun to figure out make it have the same feel or better feel in the live context......Rules are there to be broken tastefully...
I would say it depends. If your stuff is overproduced you should put on a very sick live show. I know for a fact Jimmy Page used many guitars on certain tracks but his live stuff was always 100 times better. It could be because they improvised a lot which most bands don't do anymore
They will use click tracks and pre-recorded stems like everybody else these days.
Stems man
the track sounds like a cheaper version of the highly praised led Zeppelinish era. technology moved mountains, yet i wonder why some folks sit there creating digital classic box-rock inside a laptop ...
Huh? This band sounds nothing like Led Zeppelin (or to any band in that vein). Aside from that, why do you have to be one of those "why can't everything be like it used to be" guys?
Wow