Mixing Masterclass: Hip Hop & Trap Mixing w Platinum-Selling Mixer Tillie, ft Lil Baby [MixCon 2021]
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Platinum selling mixer Thomas Tillie Mann gives our final MixCon Masterclass for 2021 today, walking us through his mix of the huge hip hop/trap hit "Errbody" by Lil Baby.
This pioneering mixer has practically shaped the sound of Atlanta hip hop and trap, crafting the tones that countless others seek to emulate.
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►Catch Tillie's workshop on Universal Audio's LUNA recording system here: ruclips.net/video/GBY8X9JLV1s/видео.html
►See more MixCon videos here: ruclips.net/p/PL3yghKGBjggRbn4ooQ-SFl-4vi_V_zT3g
►Hear Lil Baby's "Errbody" in full here: ruclips.net/video/pKtUpBjIl-g/видео.html
this video is amazing, I have learned a lot.
You can make the same video but with the engineer jason goldenberg, the "nba youngboy "engineer.
gotta appreciate this kind of video cuz this is for the community fr
nothing huge, you get a very superficial view. He cant teach or show but he can do what he does while getting recorded. his explanation of Compression use was basicaly it sounds good, then goes on saying useless stuff like I use it, some dont use it, I use it everywhere, it adds compression distortion and loudness. lol
Hahaja fr bro😮💨🤣🤣
@@David-hs1bu YES ?
He barely does anything. And he says twerking instead of tweaking
Lot of his explanations didnt make sense forreal but still some good info in there especially for beginners
5:01 First Things 808's
8:08 808's to the send
12:13 Work on the kick
16:00 Parallel Kick Chain
18:32 Claps
26:41 Chant
29:34 Digital Summing Instruments
33:28 Bell Arp
34:40 Piano
37:15 Strings
42:10 Clicks and Pops in the Mix
44:04 Vocal Mixing
ur a legend
WWW bro
where can i learn how to gain stage everything where do i know how high i can put the volume of each sound normal i want to learn everything about mastering
@@lightbeatz3709if you are working just in a digital daw gain staging doesnt matter much, main thing is to dont have any sound going past 0db before hitting the mixer, a good starting Point is setting all your sounds around -9 and from there you can use the faders and ajust the sounds Between each other
@@lightbeatz3709gain staging is more of a mixing thing, just make sure you’re not hitting 0 db
Boosts 20hz on 808
Mastering engineers: 🥵
This dude basicly shaped atl sound! What a legend! i hope he shows his sends..
what u think of this bruh, I used some of his tips on my home studio, ruclips.net/video/zqqSIi2oF9s/видео.html
44:05 for those here for his VOCAL tips since he has worked with finding the migos sound and alot of the people at quality control ;)
As Metro Boomin’ himself might say, not all heroes wear capes 🦸🏿♂️
goat time stamp
@@jimiboi87 preciate that boss
@@Guysenseisam thanks homie, i know some people mainly here for that vocal mix lol
your the man doooode
literally the best mixing content I've learned from being a rap engineer , I've came back to this video over 5 times and learn new things
We need more content like this , really helping out the industry, my mixes went from a 5 /10 to a 10-10
cap.... im sure u can get better..ijs
Cannot believe this level of quality in a video is being uploaded for free. Amazing video thank you so much for uploading this
man its an amazing privilege to see a full mixing session with this much precision on everything. thank you 🙏
as I like this type of videos I would love to see more engineers here
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5:01 First Things 808's
8:08 808's to the send
12:13 Work on the kick
16:00 Parallel Kick Chain
18:32 Claps
26:41 Chant
29:34 Digital Summing Instruments
33:28 Bell Arp
34:40 Piano
37:15 Strings
42:10 Clicks and Pops in the Mix
44:04 Vocal Mixing
Thank you 🙏
@@MarvelousMarvels fasho bro just trying to spread the love!
Man for years i was wondering how they made 808's hit so hard and clean...... have waves, Plugin alliance, IKMULTIMIDIA, UAD..... and still couldn't achieve my 808 sounding at least decent...... This Video is a game changer
Honestly, I learned a lot
Sound selection
@@onewayrhodes6663 on god its just sound selection
@@tobirachi8952 no, it's not just sound selection alone.
@@225maine yes it is lmaooooo get a good 808 instead of trying to fix a bad one
NOTES:
- 808: Boost 20/30Hz and 5/10kHz with Pultec. Paralel processing with RBass + Distortion or Paralel compression
- Kick: EQ to boost desired frequencies (30Hz and 10kHz). Paralel comp. And Paralel transient processor + resonator.
- Snare/Clap: EQ and soft paralel compression (3:1, fast attack, slow release, -3dB GR)
- Hi Hats: Compress a bit
He didnt put any compression on 808!
yeah basically that's it for the drums and a good saturator for the instrument bus, like heat or UAD Ampex atr 102 to give that analog tape feel
YO G WHAT BOUT THE VOCAL NOTES????
The end advice says everything : keep your mixing true to what it must feel. If it must be raw, not so polished dead-mono sound, go for it.
A few year back was going to assist a session for Tillie when he came to town... but Lil Yatchy never made it to the studio 🙃 so just hung out with Tillie while he was working on a Migos mix
Gotta respect him for putting the time to make this video. Learning from an engineer of this level really makes you learn
the mind is a crazy thing my boy didn't even realized the EQ was off when he was EQ'in the CLAPS LOL nothing was happening
Salute to this man for giving props to FL Studio and the many Musicians who have made it a musical household name 😁✌🏽
19:21 mans "EQ'd" the snare without the EQ being enabled. On the UAD SSL, you have to click the "EQ IN" Button just below the LF band in order for the plugin to be active. He probably knew this and just forgot in the moment😂. Great content 🔥
Nope he didn't forget 🤣🤣
Did he start of with a basic spinz 808? Or was some mixing done to it before he got to ot?
Tillie my Guy!!! A talented brother and a good friend of mine one of the best in my opinion!!!💪🏾💪🏾✊🏾✊🏾🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Great stuff bro!!!
this was dope need more hip hop mixing videos
True.. although would be nice to get some actual hiphop, instead of the autotuned mumble pop shit
@@UncleBenjs get with the times, hes not even mumbling
@@UncleBenjs your not listening then
What is also key is getting great sounds to start with. Mixes can go quickly when you don't have to beef up crappy samples and flimsy drums. So make sure you sound is a good as you can get it before sending to mixers. 9 times out of 10 they will substitute you're lacking sounds with their own punchy samples.
"Mixers" replacing samples seems insane.
@@branwithoutclaws am mixer, can confirm what they said. If the snare sounds like shit best believe i'm going to replace it/layer it with a stronger one that keeps the same vibe. this is one example but i've completely redid 808's when they're out of key or a weak sample, if it's holding back the song i'll fix it, if it's atypical or not a standard sound I'll keep it as long as it doesn't compromise the vibe. Of course I'm only going to do this with the artist's approval, but 9.9/10 they trust my choices and like the end result better.
What a legend, glad he’s taking a minute to help us all out. Hope y’all can do more of these trap mix breakdowns💯
war eagle!
This was really great, Big thanks Justin.
uwc man
glad this is out i was reading his soundonsound article with the song sum2prove i was a little confused on how he got the 808s to sound so good lmao.
Love this! Literally connects everything, highly recommended for anyone who overthinks mixing
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😂😂 11:07 twerk from there. Tillie GOATd man🐐
What kind of computer being used to handle all these plugins
Anything with a terabyte and 6 GB ram
@@Speak_Da_Truth U cant just have any old weak ass computer to run all those plugins cuz my shit would crash for sure
I have an hp pavilion p6310f, that's no where near new... For one(don't be running internet though the computer you use for studio, mixing, making beats) for 2(this isn't laptop type s***, laptop is for on the go stuff) The point of the laptop is to transfer your "on the go" stuff to your actual workstation.
Thank you so much for this one……your shaping a new generation of engineers and i really do appreciate that if I say so myself thank you 🐐🐐🐐’s
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FL GANG!! my guy its cool shit dope!!!
5:39 808
14:00 kick
19:00 clap
23:12 drum parallel comp
25:12 hihats
27:00 chant
27:30 open
28:00 snares
29:30 instruments buss
33:42 bell
34:35 piano
38:44 subbas
45:47 chorus
What I learned:
1. what plugins he uses
2. how he uses them
3. how I can use them or similar plugins
19:38 He is bypassing the eq in the ssl plugin and trying to hear the difference. wtf lol
probably just a mistake
I was listening in headphones... can't give away all the secrets
@@gordito1723 The only difference that bypassing and unbypassing the plugin without activating the EQ in would do nothing but remove the Low cut and remove the "color" that the SSL adds. you wouldn't be hearing any of the actual EQ changes that he did because he never engaged the EQ section of the SSL plugin, same as if it was on a console. had it been the waves plugin or any of the other multitudes of clones that automatically have the EQ section engaged you would have heard a significant change in the sound.
@@michaeldawson7633 The can't give away secrets part was kind of a joke. Even with that said I couldn't hear any difference with the headphones
best one on RUclips.... can we please get more of this type of content please!!! 10/10
Nice one! Just one thing: the tip on H-Delay at 49:40 , there's not much info on it but IMO the 4 delay modes are not just added noise or hum, but also changing the delay sound. Mode 2 has to much hiss for me, and 3 distorts low level tails, but anyway all of them are diffent delay sounds to explore. Cheersss
I learned a lot from him in this video, I would also like to point out how our ears can trick us because when he first pulled up the SSL EQ, the EQ was not engaged. He made changes to the snare I believe but nothing was actually happening. He never turned it on. Let that be a lesson that our eyes can make our ears think we are hearing something that we are actually not. No shade to him because I've done it before as well lol
Facts
For you guys to give this out for free is crazy! Thank you so much man
"really you just have to let the record speak to you"....that's exactly what I do when I'm producing...sometimes I might be in the middle of making a hot beat and I'll just grab my lunch, go sit on the floor and let it loop on repeat until the music tells me exactly what is the next element it needs
They gotta know their is a delay from when the signal 🚦 and changes from their ends meets the RUclips platform or better yet any web platform.
Can't believe everyone is praising this video.. all this guy is doing is saying "i boost this there, i compress this there". Literally teaching you nothing other than how to be a parrot without knowing what to listen for. No explaination about how to approach the mix or WHY he did anything he did
Because most of us are beyond the WHY, it's just his personal HOW he does it. Like the plugins he's using all have an equal or better plugin to do the same things. It's just his approach that's being presented. It's a master class not a beginner's class.
@@smittytrill613 you're clearly a noob. Good luck
You’re right. The point of a class is to teach and inform. What are you supposed to take away from this?
multiple parallel compression. Man the more and more I learn the more i realize using more than one compressor to split up the work just sounds better.
Most def eases the workload when using multiple Comps'
Compression and parallel compression is super important for getting a mix to translate well on the phone and the car
Why he put the 808 in stereo not mono?
I'm having an issue trying to find out how to record someone with my PreSonus audio AudioBox USB on my laptop at the same time I want to be able to listen to him but for some reason when I hook up my personas audiovox I'm not able to hear what's going on through my laptop or computer unless I'm using the same headphones that's connected to my personas do you know how to fix that problem?
Mans got every plug-in in existence 😂
could've used a better mix on the VO there. constantly riding the volume to hear what he's saying, then back down for the music, made watching this a bit of a chore
man do I feel like an amateur, but I've learned a LOT!!! Thanks for doing this to help out us rookies lol
SSL compressor looks like its doing alot of work. Those settings look extreme. 1.2 second release. Over 12db of compression/make up gain. Analog noise on. I gotta stop overthinking vocals🤦🏾♂️
A lot of the decisions here are too arbitrary and subjectively intuitive for me to take too much away from this for myself. What I can agree on is that the end product is deffo hard. Personally for me to implement the techniques of another person I need to understand the rationale behind the decisions.
In my opinion he works more as a "producer" than an engineer, engineers explain their thinking process of why they're doing something & how that's effecting the audio, rather than just doing it. If that makes sense.
With all that said, he's still very good at what he does, he's found his flow
@@franklynanderson I find thats how much hip hop producers/mixers are. They just kind of tweak shit until it's good without really being able to explain the process. It's not a bad thing, but it sure makes me rethink how much I THINK I need to know in order to work on stuff like this.
The more I dive into podcasts with guys like this the more I realize there is no secret sauce, there's just accepting the simplicity and doing it.
All of the real mix work comes from building the production, if thats done well, the mix is easy. You just need a basic understanding of the fundamentals and then the right mindset to know when to stop. The former is easier said than done.
@@audiostuff9065 for creative situations like production or mixing thoughtlessly flowing is the perfect thing to do. However being that this is supposed to be a teaching, explaining the technicalities of what you're doing is important.
At the end of the day they've gotten successful doing what they do the way they do it so we just need to adapt & learn from how they handle certain mixing situations.
@@franklynanderson i think the problem that most people have is that they crave the technical why's to why certain processes work, but what they don't understand is that; him explaining a specific reason to why a specific process with these specific settings work to get this specific sound doesn't help anyone except for someone working on the SAME track, obvs it can work sometimes, however it doesnt work al l the time hence why a lot of people have to come back to these type of audio tutorial videos. And then the cycle continues.
Think about back in the day when it was just analogue, the gear was less technicall, more or less you knew the basics of lets say atk and release on a comp etc, but fine tuning was a matter of listening. A lot of people , who try to learn stuff technically always struggle with this part, because at the end of the day, its all sound or music. They need to crack out of this technical bubble, that's something im still working on.
@@audiostuff9065 I'm late to the party on this video, but this certainly isn't the first mixing related video where a well known engineer leaves me thinking "that's it?" I sometimes have to remember that I'm listening to someone with skin in the game because if I didn't know otherwise, it's no different than the plethora of other mixing related videos with what seems to be very vague explanations, or the lack of ability to actually explain WHY they did certain things, along with more or less random plugin choices etc.
Having said that, I feel like this is a more common trend in the rap/hip hop arena which is what I'm in, so I'm not knocking that, what they do works. But many times I find myself thinking "is that it?" The mix template seems convoluted, organization seems random, plugin choice is random as hell, explanations are very lacking etc. As someone else said, people get too involved in the "technical bubble." While I like to feel a mix and go with the flow, if I watch a video like this, isn't the point to get the "how" and the "why" of these well known engineers etc?
Sure, tip A might not work on every song, but if they explained WHY they "typically" do this or that on various songs, you then start to understand the why, which you can then apply to your own mixes. The man himself mentioned a few plugins he uses on nearly "EVERY" mix. Cool, but why is that? The reasoning of "it just works" is a bit lackluster.
I say all that to say this, I watch a video like this from time to time, not to learn how to mix as I have that covered, but more so to see if there are and random tips, or techniques that I might find useful. On top of that, I just find mixing videos relaxing to watch.
Watching this mix left me with very little takeaway, other than the fact that the man can get good mixes with rudimentary explanation, which in the end he is doing so with what appears to be quality samples and vocals from the jump. Quality recordings and half ass arrangement make the mixing process FAR easier.
Most of the ground work is laid by assistants and he throws on his polish at the end. I have no problem with that. However, this video was no more insightful than watching some random cat with 2,000 subs here on YT explaining their process. The biggest takeaway, is the same one I leave with after watching MOST big time engineers mix. They are normal people, with decent ears who find a few go to methods and they generally stick to the basics before getting to a point where they have assistants who handle the heavy lifting before they add in their "polish." Nothing more, nothing less.
They are good mixers with good ears. That's it. They worked with the right people, at the right time, and were propelled to success and run off of that from then on. Nothing more and that's perfectly fine. In fact, I applaud their success, but my point stands. If anything, this goes to show that if you follow the basics, have good ears and you plug away, there's no reason Joe Blow down the street couldn't be successful as well and have great sounding mixes. There is no magic, no secrets. The SECRET however to THIS sort of success, is being in the right area, at the right time, and working with the right people, while being a good mixer, with good ears. THAT is the secret to THIS sort of success. These videos if anything, perfectly illustrate that. Happy mixing.
Such a great tutorial. I have one question for those who know: I noticed his gain on vocals is incredibly low. Did he put a trim tool on the bass or a separate channel to bring that up before coming to the chain and I just could see it? Everybody says gain staging is very important but I saw he just pulled up the gain nob on the r compressor.
i noticed this too… that part was a bit confusing to me 😅
I got you. 47:10 that's where he's boosting the vocal to level before hitting compression (yes he does it with a compressor.. but it doesn't matter what you do it with.. gain is gain). Look at that make-up gain.. it's a significant boost. Gain staging is only relevant for analogue compressors and digital emulations of analogue hardware. For a stock compressor, or purely digital compressor (that's not an emulation), de-esser etc it is 100% irrelevant.. you just do it via threshold and if needed you can use the output/fader/whatever to set the level right at the end. Analogue equipment was designed in a way, that it was optimized for a certain input level... digital emulations of analogue equipment often also emulate that.. which means it also behaves best at the same input-level (but there are also emulations that don't emulate that part). Hope that helped you out.
(For instance the CL 1B mk II (his favorite compressor) is an emulation of the tube-tech hardware unit that shares the same name (CL 1B mk II) - for that kind of compressor gain staging can plays a role)
@@akagerhard thank you! now it makes sense
@@akagerhard politely, thats an opinion right? Gain staging works in modern daws n isnt utterly useless jus not necessary always
Gain staging is everything. If you don't understand the value of gain staging and the effect aliasing has in your music your missing out big time and ur mixes won't be as good
Tremendo masterclass! Muchas gracias
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this was freaking instructive ! god bless u
I do know what you mean.... You know what I mean? Brilliant video. Thanks
so like…when the beat was made before it was tracked out to stems…was there no mixing done? because literally every single thing he did on the drums is something i’d do before tracking out stems.
are producers out here just tracking out stems of dry midi/samples and sending it to engineers to shape the whole sound? just slapping shit on the playlist and calling it a day?
mixing while creating is literally half of the fun of making beats lol.
idk. i guess my thinking is…if im tracking out stems from a beat…its ready for mastering. mixing already done. am i trippin?
...I can't speak for everybody else, but for me (24:16), i like that...
Is there an alternative to the heat plugin?
To my knowledge as of 2019/20 No you need Pro Tools HD b/c it’s proprietary to them. The “ heat “ was designed by Dave Hill from Crane song sound. U could try NLS channel & NLS Buss & Master from waves or SSL plugins.
Heat is designed to go on busses / aux/ vca/ groups/ returns / master to emulate a tapeish console glue type sound. It can be emulated but no direct replacement that I know unless some new or recent changes to the “ heat “ & pro tools licensing.
THIS WAS SO EDUCATIONAL IM APPLYING EVERYTHING TO MY MIXTAPE IM WORKING ON 💯
So he first gainstage Then leveled the mix and then he Start throwing plugins on it ???
I dont understand This gainstaging shit some people told me on RUclips…can someone pls explain ??? Cause he throw plugins on Every Track Bit didnt reduce the gain he became from the Plugin on the outknob.
Video was Great BTW But im confused about what i saw on Other Mixing Tutorials when people Told u That u have to aim for -18dbfs and Put a vu Meter on every track than Level it on low volume and every time u put a Plugin on it u have to reduce the gain of it 😅😅😅 man im confused pls help me to figure That shit Out 😂😂😂
It doesn’t have to be exactly -18dbfs. All of those things you mentioned are guidelines, but not rules.
Gain staging is a mystery and everyone has his own understanding of it. Find your ow way and don't worry to much. focus on the sound, it its the only thing your audience will ever hear. normal consumers don't hear -18 blabla shit, the JUST HEAR (if that makes sense lol)
any difference on softubes cl1b vs uad's? btw love the content bro
Thanks a lot man! You're the best. We really needed this!
NO COMPRESSION ON 808!
IS this misinformation or forget to mention that fact?
love the tips! always come back to this 🥴 but the EQ want in on the ssl on the clap 🤷🏾♂️. #mixingwithears
Just one question the sends on the 808 and kick are they to 100% and where does the send gets routed directly to the master ?
No they are not 100% and yes I assume they are sent to the master.
Yo the way you describe everything is so helpful. Thank you so much for this.
really covering all of the bases with the mixcon series
Yoooooooooooo. Does anyone know where to get the "Hi" vocal sample. I hear it everywhere been scrapping the internet trying to find it so dope!
GREAT MASTERCLASS!! Soaked alot of that in. Say, why does your dbx-160 show different threshold settings?? Read the manual right. LOL. But thanks for your time and contribution to world of audio engineering.
What I really took from this is the beat is already there so let it be. Do little things sure but let the beat be
I have never witnessed a MixCon and not came away better then when I went in. Thanks Justin!
Amazing tutorial... I need to figure out the difference between using a bus vs sends and what circumstances favor each one.
The way he mixed that 808 is very interesting. Boosting 20hz is something I’ve never heard before but it sounds good and makes sense, it’s about as low as we could ever hear and is pure sub frequency content, also boosting the highs like 8-10k is something I do personally but don’t ever see or hear people do on the 808
Im thinking thats on the right track. I boost the high on bass a lot because the air lives up there, which also makes sense on why he would use a distortion send as his eq would already be boosting the frequency a bit.
He didnt put any compression on 808!!!!!!!!!!!
When he bypasses HEAT did you hear anything?
Do you guys think he's using the 304c plugin to compress the vocals?
You know, I just fired up my old HUGH Marantz stereo amplifier and turntable and I played back a couple of rap 12 inch vinyl records from the 90's that I kept from when I was a kid...Now, I'm sitting here wondering, why does this sonically sound better (AT LEAST TO MY EARS) than the plugin drenched songs of today?
I’m no expert but many people prefer the sound of vinyl, as well as songs mixed with analog gear
💯💯💯
My favorite was 7:00 in... boosting 8k on an 808 that had nothing above 1k
damn, coming for the jugular! good eye tho
Sssshhhhhhh Thats where the magic is. Its meant to be a secret.
BLACK MAGIC.
It does, that beautiful hiss....
@@dragon-id5uj I’m just messing around! It’s difficult to make these type of videos and Tillie is a legend in the making
Loving all the gems. Much love to everyone involved who worked to be able to put this together
Thank you so much ! THIS IS GOLD
i always expect Ill open one of these and understand but dude lost me at the first step and plugin. gonna keep watching though lol
His EQ was OFF the whole time 19:17 on the UAD SSL Strip. Happens to the best of us.
Number one thing I hate about the engineering community. Pretending to hear things that are physically impossible.
Did anyone catch him say twerk instead of tweak 😭 11:08
Stop shaking those plugin, you warm up the circuits 😅 you know what i mean man.😅🤣
This guy is half guy half "kinda".
Great tutorial btw, appreciate you bro 🙏
Thank you for the finishing touches I needed.
48:01 you can hear the headphone music bleed thru 😮
Maybe I missed it but I didn't see u sidechain the kick and bass
How to avoid frequency masking
How to have someone like him mix for me?
i like this mix but the high hats in the actual song hurt my ears
very nice tutorial man..appreceated
if you want make a mixing vocal tutorial (maybe rap or anything )
StandardClip is THE BEST clipper
All the plugins he adds progressively adds more and more noise from the analog filters how are you supposed to bypass that in the final mix though?
Also towards the end he says there is no noise on the piano but you can audibly hear that it’s coming from there
Awesome
he’s not turn eq on in ssl e lol
but now it’s perfect 🤩
Why does he use ozone 9? Tillie the real saviour
Amazing I did it You made my day Thank you!!
Half way in i feel like he's trolling?!
he's such a cool guy. i'm enjoying watching this so much!
…music is another world
no subtitles in portuguese :((