Bafang BBSHD (ASI BAC800) on Specialized Fatboy - 3000km What I have learned!
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- Bafang BBSHD (ASI Bac 800) on Specialized Fatboy - 3000km What I have learned!
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2:50, riding tip. 4:23, 42T lekkie ring. 5:09, just get a basic break sensor. 7:00, eggrider. 7:35, em3ev triangle battery. 9:00, hydraulic disc break.
That's awesome thankyou! What a way to start the morning, cheers!
Captain Codswallop Thank you captain! Been researching for BBSHD related videos for a while now. This video summarized findings I’ve spent hours on, wish found it earlier.
Glad it is useful to you. Appreciate the link things. I will have to learn that for my cyc installation video.
Would that same battery but in 30.6Ah be overkill for this bike?
When you mean the 30.6 is that in the same pack format just with higher capacity cells? If so they will have a lower max amp draw that the 30q or hg2 cells in the 25.6 pack. Which is fine for stock but if you run the external controllers you want the higher discharge rates.
Captain knows what he's talking about 👍🏻 And so do I 👍🏻 This conversion is madness 👌🏻 Great films dude, spot on
Thanks alot! Cheers
I've been looking for mid drive review with actual milage quite a while. Thanks for tips dude. Very informative indeed. Subscribed!
Thanks. Welcome.
This video gives me hope. Just ordered a Fatboy, and was interested in going the ebike route. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks. I don't regret it for a second. It's a really good frame. It made feel like being a kid again. That might just be fatbikes in general.
Great review, I was about to convert a folding bike using the BBSHD, but I'm glad you mentioned that the default controller is not up to snuff, and that an external controller (such as the ASI Bac 800) would be ideal for long-term use. Because of your video, I'm putting my conversion on hold.
Glad you liked it, thanks. The cyc pro x1 is worth a look as well. It's a newer motor. I'll be doing some stuff with that in the near future.
I watched a few videos, this one is most helpfull for bbshd fresh owners thx :)
Thank you! Hope you enjoy your ride.
Kind of wish all reviews were as real life as this. Thanks
Thanks. That means a lot. Cheers
I have a couple of ebikes on order with the Bafang M600 mid-drive system and BBSHD on a conversion. You provided some great information. Thanks
Awesome! Glad you found the videos useful!
Thanks for posting
I just bought this kit and put it on my bike but i haven't tried it out because my battery has not come yet and its a 52 volt 17mah Samsung cell 35e. I can't wait to take it for a boot. 👍🏻🍔🍟🚬🍺
Very much appreciated Video Mate👍👌
Thnx Man...
You are welcome. Glad it helped..You are welcome on the discord channel if you are not already discord.gg/ScWuVxu9
love the beginning :-)
florianglatzl 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Oops I should of edited that out. Hmm and I'm trying to be clean on the channel. Can't believe that I never noticed it.
Great video, good to know.. Thanks
Thanks!
Thanks, this was very good.
Glad you liked it. Thanks Robert
thanks for the tips!
You are welcome, cheers
That's the review I've been looking for.
You went through all the trials and problems then fixed them and told us about them.
I'm still saving for the battery which turns out to be the same one you have. Now I also have to save for the aftermarket controller and I'll be ready to install.
I managed to get the 46 tooth bling ring to fit on my bike with a 3mm spacer ring.
Thanks for the info and keep up the good work!
Nice! I'm impressed you got the 46 tooth in! Good job there. Thanks for the kind words. Cheers
Man you are the baset good video lol
Thankyou sir!
I am in the process of ordering a kit from EM3ev to fit my new road bike but not sure what to do with the battery (buy or build) Did a lot of research and I have to say your video is one of very best.
Good job, well done!
Appreciate the kind words. I think I am going to eventually design a battery. I have a few ideas I'd like to see that are not really done right now. For the time being though I'm keeping it simple. The 52 volt 30q cell pack I got has been flawless and it's nice to Monitor it with the bluetooth bms. Em3ev produce possibly the best quality battery on the market. Others are catching up tho. Luna seem to have stepped up their game. it's worth noting that the shipping chain em3ev use for batteries results in very low import tax at least in Canada. Good luck with your build!
Brilliant video.
Thanks. This is the bike currently. Gave her a new paint job! ruclips.net/video/RB0Vm7hr2aw/видео.html
Money on beer...definitely....thanks for this. Cheers.
Cheers mate!
Thank you 😊
Very welcome 😀
Good video,
Was funny how you said controller was discreet!
Buddy have a look at your bike,
It ain't discreet!
Enjoyed your opinion
Its funny its not a discreet bike right. Its huge. But all anyone sees is the tires. I have had conversations with people and you tell them it has a motor and they are like really!! The tires are like camo lol.
Thx for all this great info. I'm pondering the cyclone motor (for a fatboy or a full suspension 27.5). I have a motorbike background so great to hear that you also don't find the brake cut offs, gear sensor, necessary and use throttle skills to modulate. The BBSHD is over featured, so cyclone sounds affordable power to me. I can't afford the CYC at this point. I would use the luna sine controller or get the phaserunner (however I heard you need to program them). Anyway, if you have any advice on the cyclone in comparison to bafang and cyc, I would really value it. cheers. JB (ps finally heard you mention you're in Kamloops, ha, I knew the background looked familiar! I'm in Vancouver, but familiar with your town)
Endless sphere is the best place to get info on the cyclone. I have never installed one so it would be bad form to advise you on that. Grin who make the phase runner are in Vancouver so they may be able to assist. People have used the cyclone kits. I'd search on endless sphere and look at probes builds. Electric bikes is lunas forum so likely info on there are well. Glad you like the channel. Cheers
I swapped my 30t mighty mini chain ring for a luna eclipse 42t, i was snapping chains and trashing my derailleur and cassette. I also swapped out my rear derailleur for a Sturmey Archer rs-rk3 IGH, only 3 speed, but i pretty much ride it in the second gear with a 24t rear cog when im climbing. That controller looks awesome.. great video..
Thanks! The controller is pretty awesome. You get about a 10 to 15 percent top speed boost with the field weakening
I have drooled over those but at over 1500 canadian I have other priorities right now. I have a seven speed alphine hub I might try one day but it's on another bike right now.
Troy Smith hi Troy what rim did you put the sturmey archer on?
@@williamrichards7453 A Surly Clownshoe, I used the FreeSpoke calculator with the measurements from Sturmey Archer and ordered spokes from eBay.
Troy Smith nice never thought of that, what chain tensioner do you use?
I´m using similar setup on my Fat cargo and it runs on stock motor perfectly.
Stock controller. 36t Lekkie, 11-50 chinesium cassette was gone after 2300km (I rip the spider that holds the center section like you... I use the middle section more) was replaced with the same chinesium cassette.
Same chain after 3300km; kmc Ebike 10sp chain (clean and lube every wheek).
21ah 52v from Samsung 35E and Daly 50Ah BMS b inside a Polly DP-9 case. (built the battery myself)
Rear hub is a NOVATEC 102SB 36h with 13g spokes. That novatec hub is strong AF and if you just replace the shitty 9mm Qr and use a 10 or 12 mm thru axle it holds even better.
For braking I have a Magura MT5 E "closer" set. It comes with the brake cutoff conection ready, and "pre brake click" function; the lever is made in 2 pieces that allows you to click and cut the motor before it starts braking. I use that as a "clutch".
MDR-C 203mm disc on both wheels, also super sturdy.
The trick with the stock bafang controller is to make acceleration progresive changing the "current startup" setting to a softer one. It kinda eliminates that "on/off switch feeling.
BTW: the total weight is around 220kg daily on that bike. No issues so far.
Great build! I will definetly try thta ASI controller in the future!
Your bike sounds great! I'm thinking of upgrading the brakes to either the mt5 or the Shimano Saint. Cheers!
@@HighVoltageKits MT5 worked great for me . They have a special e-bike lineup. The MDR-P and -C discs. And the ebike brake pads. There is a Shimano setup that also runs 4 piston and costs way less than Saint. I recomend using heatsink pads.
The good thing about the Maguras is that you have individual replacement for all the parts of the system. Regards
Thanks! I saw the saint and they did look expensive. I will check the discs out as well. Cheers
Great series of videos! I have a Fatboy as well, I'm considering the BBSHD kit from Luna. Any thoughts on the Luna setup?
A bbshd kit from luna is as good one from anywhere reputable. They have a hotrodded controller but I think you have to buy a full bike from them for that. I used em3ev for mine but I'm a Brit and the owners a Brit so a bit of loyalty I guess. I'd price out on both and go with the cheapest.
Awesome vid thanks. What controller are you using and what was involved with changing it over.?
Asi bac 800. If you did a bbshd conversation already it's no more difficult, just chasing different wires. www.electricrt.com is where I got mine.
Great video, many thanks. When would you suggest regreasing the internal cogs? I have done about 1500KM on mine without issue, but I am a worrier!
I still haven't done mine but I will in spring! I'd say if you notice things get noisy or about the 3000 point. Its mobil 28 you want.
Hello and thanks Andy perfect video and just one time as i am building my bike now, question and ive been trying to figure out the right combo for the rear cassette. Seeing you have the experience and mentioned, you don't really need to change gears. I was thinking the same thing. what gear cassette would you buy now that you have been riding awhile. I do have decent hills to climb along with my flat terrain here in the wack thanks
My rear derailleur is locked due to wear and tear so I had to fix it in place. Ideally I would maybe have three gears my 42t and two in the 30's Maybe a 36 and a 32t. If you check out electroncycles in the UK there are some good pictures about how they spaced out a cassette to do this. They also had a little gear as a get home emergency gear if your system failed and you wanted to ride it like a regular bike for a bit. I would make sure the cassette is of good quality steel and that it comes apart so it can be rearranged. I have not done much hunting for one. I was going to wear the current setup out first and then see. I have hear good things about the sturmy archer 3 speed internal for fatbikes taking up to 3000w so maybe I will lace a wheel with this at some point. Cheers!
Handy tip; use silicon to secure your motor to the down tube. I used quite a big amount and it's very secure. It will never move.
Can you link a few more details. A silicone gel or sealant? Sounds interesting and not a trick I heard of before. Thanks!
@@HighVoltageKits My 1st Ebike (about 10 years ago) was made up for me by Daryl who designs the Lekkie products here in NZ. He also helped me with the my latest BBSHD install and said that it was a good idea to use silicone to ensure the motor did not move. I just used a good quality Black Silicon sealant and it has worked very well. There is no movement possible. If you need anymore info I'm glad to help.
I have also asked you a few questions on your site, just now, about your Kit that is out of stock. I hope you get some in soon.
Thanks for the information. I will look at the email shortly. Have a rebuild and a another bbshd project for this year. Cheers
i chose the Lekkie 32T Narrow/Wide chainring to make the motor spin faster and have more torque without lugging the motor down and causing it to over heat.. I also carry a wet wash rag.. I put it in a ziplock, then lay it over a 2 liter pop container and place it in the freezer. That stays wet and cool for a very long time. If the motor starts to feel hot, i simply place it around the motor. :) My situation is different because i'm on a Recumbent Trike. The chainline is much longer and easier with a Rohloff Speed Hub.
Thats a great idea! Love the bbshd recumbents. Some use a temp strip as well to monitor. I started out on the 36t but the chain line sucked. The 46 was too big! Very jealous of your speed hub! Cheers
@@HighVoltageKits The Rohloff was my big investment... the rear 559 (26"0 wheel with the hydraulic disc brake was $2k. I really like your Specialized Fat.. I imagine a Rohloff for the Fat tire would cost more in labor to lace. the Great things about a recumbent that uses 3 chain length, is that you can select any Lekkie to meet any needs... I am towing a trailer and wanted the motor to spin fast and stay cool on hills while touring. I use the UPP 52v 17.5ah x 2 batteries (35ah) These have the Sanyo NCR18650GA cells for high power/long range. It was far cheaper to order them on AliExpress than order here. I saved $800 on the set. Nice job on the video presentation.. You are well informed.
Thanks for the kind words. One day I will afford one. Good to hear feedback on upp as well. Cheers. Feel free to join the Chanel discord if you are interested!
Impressed by your knowledge. I have a BBSHD mounted to a Scorpion recumbent trike. The motor is great but I am plagued by ugly bang-crash wallops of chain slipping which I don't seem able to eliminate completely. I have changed my chain and 9-speed 36T cassette and still get nasty noises. I measured my chain with a 12" ruler and there is no stretch to worry about. I use a 65T chainring so that I can still pedal at up to 53kph-could this be the cause? Failing any further investigations, I would love to replace my derailleur with an IGH 5-speed if only I could find one to cope with the torque of my Bafang. Do you know of one which would?
I wish I knew of a hub that can handle that amount of stress. Folk have tried the Sturmy 3 spd but it fails eventually. Is the chain slipping on the rear sprockets? The small ones. I wonder if a clutched derailleur might help? You are welcome on our Discord server to post photos and videos. Maybe we can figure it out.
Where would you recommend to buy the battery pack? I know em3ev is good and the price is fair but they are far away. Any place in Canada that would have similar quality for a good price?
Try litespeedbikes. Its US but I don't know of a Canadian place. You may have luck with a private builder via one of the forums. I know lots of people very happy with litespeedbikes tho
Nice conversion. Would you ever consider an internal gear hub and run a chain tensioner, a 3 speed might go alright?
For sure. I was reading good things about the sturmy archer 3 speed fatbike hub. Maybe I'll lace one next year. It would be a good project. Great suggestion. Cheers
@@HighVoltageKits I can verify that the Sturmey Archer sx-rk3 works great on my fatbike with the bbshd i run these specs::::: over 3000 miles with NO PROBLEMS
BBSHD--Mighty Mini 30 tooth and 24 tooth on Sturmey Archer SX-RK3 3
Speed 31mph no load 28mph with me riding
Battery Samsung 48V 17ah & Panasonic 48V 12.5ah ( dual battery setup using Watt wagon Micro Chip)
Hello there, may I enquire as to why the twist accelerator control is on the left side?
Is that a thing with bicycles?
Thank you.
No it was just my thing. You can get both. I just figured as the gearing was on the right already if I put the throttle on the left I could modulate it more smoothly. I never rode a gas bike so I have no muscle memory to worry about. Cheers!
Hi Captain,
I am eyeing BBSHD but my biggest problem right now is the frame. How comfortable are you with the rigid fat bike frame? I plan to ride to get around my farmland which is very bumpy and rocky at places. I can't be sure if a rigid fat tire frame would dampen the shocks enough, or whether I'd need a full suspension frame. Then the problem with suspension frames is the inability to slap rear panniers and baskets. I'd like to hear your opinion on frame selection, if you ever see this comment.
Thanks for the videos.
With fat tire bikes the tire itself is suspension as you can use quite low pressures. Also the thud buster seat posts help. I now use a rock shocks front suspension and I recommend that for sure. If you need the 120mm bbshd I would move on it now as they have changed the model and it might not be available much longer. You are welcome on the channel discord community for build advice etc. discord.gg/YAAjfgc Cheers
im ordering the BBSHD mid drive kit from luna. Should I get this controller to get better speeds? What do i do with bbshd controller becuase thought it was built in. Im new to this so I'm not sure where to start.
I'd start by building your bike with the bbshd kit from luna and get used to it. Have fun riding. It's a good idea to start slow in my opinion anyway. Once you are happy you can look at upgrades. If you have a look through my older videos you will see my first couple on the bbshd. Another one at six months. A few on chainline. You can always sell your stock controller. After a few months if you want more power you can get the Bac 800 kit from electricrt.com If you rush it though it's easy to cook the nylon gear in the bbshd. I have lots of videos running it stock in the snow and through floods. It's great. I took my time and I recommend you do as well. I'll be happy to answer any questions!
Where did you get ur battery from cos I need one of them and that control module
The battery is from www.em3ev.com and the controller I got at www.electricrt.com
I understand with this controller it has an auto engagement feature. Do you find this annoying or is it just something you get use to?
It's easily one of the best but most misunderstood feature of the ASI controllers supplied by ERT. The 50 watts of power can easily be cancelled by braking or peddling backwards. But it allows the throttle and PAS to be much smoother. Each time the chain stops moving it goes slack so when you make it tight with the throttle or pas it yanks or snaps. It wears chains and is a jerky way of doing it. It might feel a bit strange at first to not have the motor stop but the benefits are worth persevering with.
Good information!! Im researching motors and batteries for Ice Sprint X Tour trike. The rear of the trike has an internally geared hub Alfine 8sp. The HD might be an option. Having discussions with local mechanic
Awesome. You are welcome on our Discord community. Wealth of knowledge on there!
@@HighVoltageKits are you familiar with alfine 8sp IGH and if its compatible with a BBSO2, BBSHD or CYC?
Hi there. Great video!
Did you have any issues syncing egg rider - with bac controller? Really like its compact size.
I'm based in UK and one of the companies here which has bac controller in stock supply them with some ugly as hell display.
Cheers
Thanks. The eggrider has changed alot since I first used it and is much better with the ASI controller. We are testing it as an option with the kits we make for the bbshd. I would check with the supplier in the UK. Whether or not the eggrider can be used depends on how the wiring harness is made. At 72 volts without protection the voltage will fry both the eggrider and usually the controller too. So caution is needed. We have built an adapter for this purpose but it's still in testing. Hope this helps. Cheers
i like how you said fk under ur breath at the start
Cheers! Yeah. I only noticed later and if I re-upload I lose the comments so stay it remains. 😆
Awesome job!!!! what size cassette gear are you running? How many links for the chain?
Largest is 42t. The chain I think is the usual length you buy plus maybe 12 or so.
I thought you would have mentioned using 120mm Bafang on your 100mm specialized BB . Do you have a Video where you talk about using the 120mm BB Bafang on the 100mm Fatbike BB , and why you did it ?
Yeah I do. The first video I ever did mentions it quite a bit. There are some other videos I did on chainline as well. ruclips.net/video/sJEDu2SgBAE/видео.html
Like those tires
Yeah! It's funny everyone sees the tires. Nobody notices the motor lol.
@@HighVoltageKits lol
Have you a link for a good battery. I ordered the 750w mid bafang but the battery is only 48v 12.5A
Litespeedbikes in the USA and Electron cycles UK / Europe make high power stuff. Em3ev are worth a look as well. Some folks like UPP which are a bit cheaper than the other options. Hope this helps. captaincodswallop.net/ebike-links
@@HighVoltageKits excellent, cheers
HOW DO YOU TAKE RESTRICTION OFF ? GOT THE SPECIAL CORD AND THE SOFT WARE PENTOF ! Or is their a full explanation of what you change ? The increments % ! As i am not tech savvy 50yrs old 1st time E bike owner ! Very confusing !
Try this link. electricbike-blog.com/2015/06/26/a-hackers-guide-to-programming-the-bbs02/ I am not an expert at programming the bbshd by any means. This website has most of the information I learned. Cheers
Thanks for the video/s. Super informative. One question - is there any difference with power consumption with the ASI controller if using similar speed/setting as the standard controller? Cheers & happy motoring.
You are welcome. 1700 watts is 1700 watts although the field weakening will give a top speed boost. It will consume a little more at equal levels for that reason. But I know a few people that ride 72 volts and get great range but doing what you are suggesting and limiting the power somewhat. Hope this helps. Cheers
@@HighVoltageKits Thanks. I'll invest in one at some stage, they do look super interesting & fun. Meanwhile i'm still enjoying standard controller with my old 26er, thrown together from surplus parts. My better bikes are in Indonesia but I'm COVID separated from them for now as am stuck in Australia. Thanks again.
So you say you changed the controller to the external one? Did you remove the internal controller? Can you do a video on this? Thanks and great videos mate!
This is a link to most of the videos I have on this bike in order. Hope it helps there is one on waterproofing but will have a better one on the installation layer this year. Cheers
I own a 2019 Specialized Fatboy and I'm very interested in a similar build. Even though my Bottom Bracket is 100mm, it appears I would definitely need to purchase the 120mm BBSHD because the 100mm BBSHD motor would not clear the chain stay. Is that correct? Also it looks like I would need to get the Lekkie 42T chainring. Do you recommend the 170mm Lekkie OFFSET Buzzbar crank arms or does a company like RaceFace or other make a high quality compatible crank arm? The rear cassette on my bike is a SRAM 11-42T so I guess that should work fine. Last, are there any specific spacers, brackets or other items that help the motor mounting process? I'm hoping to purchase everything I need at one time. Thanks for all the great videos!
I used the 120mm. The crank arms are square taper although I'm happy with the lekkie ones others should work. In terms of spacers I am using 6mm in total. You can get them from most bike stores. I asked for a few to be sent out. Pretty common things tho at bike stores. I used a stack of washers on the other side. This video is the first one I did with some more information on it about the bb I think ruclips.net/video/sJEDu2SgBAE/видео.html
@@HighVoltageKits Appreciate the quick response. I was checking out the Trek 1120 tonight. Take a look at the unique chainstay on this bike. It looks like it would make mounting a BBSHD painless! www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/adventure-touring-bikes/1120/1120/p/22005/?colorCode=grey
If i upgrade to a 52v form a 48v do i need reprogramme the low voltage cut off in settings onthe stock controller or can i uss both right away ? Thanks and subed
It depends a little on when you bought it. The more recently produced units have a firmware restriction to prevent people using 52 volts. If you have one of these units I believe you have to use a program cable to flash the firmware. There are a few threads on endless sphere that will cover the process. If it is an older unit it should just work. It's been a while since I used the stock bbshd controller though. I'll never use another stock bbshd controller to be upfront. They have numerous versions. I bricked mine with an eggrider display trying to use it. Bafang are not happy about people using anything other than 48 volts. If you got it from Luna or em3ev then you are likely fine to run 52 volts. If it was Ali Express or similar maybe not. I have no way of telling you what you have though sadly. It's not the low voltage cutoff you have to worry about it's an overvoltage message. Have a search for bbshd overvoltage on endless sphere forums. Lots of good info. I'm using an external controller these days and I'll never go back. Hope this helps! Cheers
@@HighVoltageKits that's the thing the original one that came with the unit failed on first day due to over voltage on 48v. He sent me another probably edited. I'll probably just run 48v until service time and battery charge in few more 1000kms then try 52v and edit the motor. I dont want to fry it just yet 🤣
(1) It has free wheel on the crank wheel. Does it need a free wheel at the back? How about a fixie?
(2) What about a hub gear?
I am pretty sure you will still need the freewheel as it uses a tensioner with the derailleur. Never seen a fixed gear bbshd. But I'd ask that question on my discord or endless sphere. Internal hub gears can work with stock bbshd but must be a strong one. Check how much torque in NM they can handle. Hope this helps. Cheers
Hello , do you need the 120mm bottom bracket version for this ? id like a fatbike but my motor is the shorter bottom bracket version .
Cheers
I used the 120mm. It all depends on if the gear housing hits the chain stay. You can get a conversion kit to make the axle longer though. If you Google california-ebike.com/shop/new-easy-install-100mm-bafang-bbs0102-extension-modification-kits/ This is the bbs02 version. I am sure there is a bbshd one. Good luck! My video this week will have a tool that let's you check a bottom bracket for motor fitting.
Can you do shopping list? Like what model, type of battery etc. I would like to copy what you have done (I have a Fatboy in white as well). Thanks! Does your battery get hot in the bag? How does it handle the cold? (Snow)¿ Thanks again
Battery is 25.5 amp hour triangle pack from em3ev.com. I used 30q cells but they have hg2 as well which are higher drain I think for 50amps. I got their bbshd motor kit and I use the eggrider v2 display. The asi I got from electricrt.com. Em3ev.com will let you pick other bits including the essential lekkie bling ring. If you run into any problems let me know and I'll send more info. Cheers.
@@HighVoltageKits thanks for quick response. Appreciate it
Anytime. oh and I ran in the snow with no issues. Just make sure it's all sealed up! Battery life takes a small hit in the cold but the motor stays cooler!
Hey I just received my bac800 today and installed everything but can't get a reply back from Alan about the eggrider firmware, would you be able to give it to me? I need to get this working so I can get to work tomorrow. Also seems to be missing the 72v adapter cable so I'm only running 52v for now.
Yeee hawww. Sure can. Fire me an email.
The stock controller is adjustable to stop chain snatch? I'm not sure em3ev know the right settings. They should have set the start current to 1 amp.
Its possible. I am not an expert in the bafang settings. em3ev settings look pretty similar to Carl's special sauce settings. You could play about with it tho. I'd be interested if that gave you a smooth acceleration just off the throttle. I buggered my firmware so it's hard to try it now. I'm not sure I'd go back to stock after riding with the ASI tho.
@@HighVoltageKits Yes smooth start throttle and pedal assist. You can delay start rotation or change start power and ramp up percentage.
@@super-sim1665 Id like a Manuel as the crap on the soft ware tells you zip unless your a electronic geek ! Its just numbers and % confusing ?
It's not the easiest thing to work out. Try electricbike-blog.com/2015/06/26/a-hackers-guide-to-programming-the-bbs02/
Gday Captain Coswollap, Great Video, clear & straight to the point 😊👍🏼. I have around 600km on my EEB BBSHD at 15S/35Ah (stock controller) motor/controller still going strong 💪🏼
Do you have a link for your External controller. (It would be good to keep on hand)
Does mounting your external controller allow the bbshd motor to run any cooler at all ?
Gday, hope it's good in Aus. That is an interesting voltage you are running. The controller and lots of other goodies can be found at www.electricrt.com
Yeah it helps alot with voltage sag/voltage drop half way through a ride, but the main reason is so i can charge to 90% (4.1V per cell)
(get almost double the cycle life out of my batteries) and still run a max voltage of 61.3V at 4.1V per cell, best of both worlds.. so to speak.
Whats the "full name" of the controller ? as ERT sell quite a few different versions
I got the info from your other videos, should of looked their first...lol😬 Enjoy those Trails, Thanks 😊👍🏼
it's the bac 800 you want! Thanks for the info on the batteries. I'll do that if I build one.
Your into cracked me up....blooper
Yeah lol, ebikers are so polite in general. It was months before I found out. At that point I did not want to replace it cause the comments were proving useful to people.
So to confirm, you’re just using one gear always? Any thoughts on ditching cassette and derailleur and going single speed? How many teeth is the large cog you’re using?
I'm using a 42t to 42t now. But there is a caveat..I'm running an external controller so I hit up to 13k rpm. I'd use more gears if I was stock still. Try this video for where the bike is now. ruclips.net/video/c7q5TbIYq7I/видео.html
I have a BBSHD and a BAC-855. I also have a ERT NXT display and also a
See the other comment. We should be able to help you. Cheers
u mentioned it keeps around 50 watts of power running, but what if you want to come to a stop? does it know to turn off somehow? I was wiring it to my friend's bbso2 and bench testing it, but it was drawing 250 watts even after i let off the throttle.
The parameters will likely be causing that especially if it was programmed for a different motor initially. But to answer your question. A brake cuttoff. Peddling backwards or stress like going up a hill will kill the 50 watts. It's very little. But 250 is a bit high. Was it ordered for the bbs02 or for the bbshd?
@@HighVoltageKits it was ordered for bbso2 but had the wrong phase connectors. does the bbshd have different phase connection?
Nice review. You really know your stuff. Can you ride this bike on streets in the UK?
Well. No it's not road legal. Plenty of people do use then though. There are ways to have road legal settings for it. The performance is utter trash at 750 watts nevermind the uks 250. There are ways to get registered but its hard to do. It's not legal here but so far as I am overly careful and considerate I have only encountered positive things. Hope this helps. Cheers
@@HighVoltageKits thanks!
You can install metal gears in this motor and it will be stronger and quieter!
Its not quite a simple. Yes it will stop the nylon gear failing but it will likely transfer the failure point to the pinion. It certainly won't be quieter. There is now a PEEK gear that promises to fall in between. You need extremely high temps to get the nylon gear to fail. I have not so far. The metal one I have gathers dust. You are better off gearing the motor to be kind. Cheers.
If somebody made a controller that fit in the space of the original.....
You might have mentioned that the Lekkie crank arms are not just for looks, the non drive side is off set.
I like the brake sensors, and thanks for talking me out of the gear sensor...
I believe the UPP 52v 20ah is as good as anything so far. And I bet the ev3 is just re-branded.
My X-7 is dying. Any ideas on good replacement ?
Good point on the lekkie. If you have a look on my videos list there is lots more content on this bike. Plenty of ride videos. UPP have a good reputation unless you happen to be Louis Rossman and set them on fire. Feel free to join the discord server and post questions. I am sure we can figure out a replacement. Luna cycles make a replacement controller that goes in that spot but it can be hard to buy one if you don't buy a whole bike. Hope this helps. Cheers
@@HighVoltageKits Hi ☮️ Now I’m watching the vid on the law again. So annoying...
28mph is almost to fast in the bike lane. Most cars can do over 100mph. The laws regarding e-bike are ridiculous.
Made by people that are just anti-fun, anti-anything that smacks of liberal minded, like climate change. Even Hitler had a good idea with the VW Bug, and a freeway to drive on. And trump has only killed a half million...
It’s the vast right wing conspiracy....they just seem to thrive on chaos and claim law and order.
It’s maybe the last 25% of humanity that needs to catch up or reform.
Thankfully, at least some of industry is ahead of many. Hard to get your head around.
Keeping up with traffic is fine if you are competent. 30% probably are not.
Life....
Not going to argue. One of the reasons I'm building the Lightning Rods motorcycle this year is to try and make that point.
Where is your brake sensor attached to please? Mine has just arrived with a magnets but nowhere on my levers to use magnets :( Some suggest glue it but almost sure I noticed you used small cable ties?
Yeah I used a small cable tie and some glue. Duct tape works well in strips also. Cheers!
@@HighVoltageKits Thanks for your reply & other suggestions. Did you use both brake sensors? Cheers.
Where can you get that locking ring socket from?
Try here www.empoweredcycles.com/products/8fun-bbs02-bottom-bracket-tools it's only the inner ring one that's really important though. I just used a wrench for the outer cover part.
When i shift i would do the same thing just flick the brake and shift but now i have i.g.h 8 speed. I had a 42 tooth bling ring and it rounded off because i didnt keep a eye on it and it started sharking. So i got the 46 tooth bling ring.
Cool, which IGH are you using? Did you get much of a boost with the 46t. I could not go that big on mine as it would not clear the chain stays. I think I went through all three sizes. I should have just gone with the middle size to start with lol!
Hi great videos, where do I purchase the socket from
Try west coast electric bikes. I got mine there. Luna might be an option but its not in stock there very often!
I just ordered a 1000 watt kit. My hub is 71 mm ... the kit kit said that the 68 mm fits up to 73 mm... will run into problems with pedals clearing the motor ?
This is the bbshd? It should fit. If you are concerned you are welcome to post photos of your frame on the channel discord. It's hard to say for certain without seeing. Cheers discord.gg/YAAjfgc
Yes it is ... awesome , thank you
Welcome. Good luck with your build Pierre.
Great job, very useful video. I intend on riding my fat bike off road and using pedal assist mostly. Interested to know what range and speed you are getting out of that battery, being that you just use the throttle. Also, I'm looking at getting the Luna modified version which I think will run very similar to that external controller?
If you are referring to the luna ludicrous controller you will get more watts and amps. No field weakening though and no option for 72 volts I dont think. It's an adaptation of the old controller to take more power but lacks the features and sophistication of the ASI
I use peddle assist more than you might think especially in busier areas or when I just want to cruise. But less so on the videos I have done. Even on level 5 the pas is only 1000watts. With the big battery you can get hours out of it. If you use pas 2 it's only 400watts of assist so the range would be huge on a 25 amp hour battery.
Running the throttle the range is about 40km. That's without dropping the battery voltage too low. You get way more charge cycles if you dont charge it full or drop it below 20%
@@HighVoltageKits Cool, thanks very much for the info. I was just looking for the best/easiest solution to start out with and didn't fancy pulling the motor apart whilst it was under warranty. I am a big and tall guy, so looking for torque to climb more than straight line speed (though I'd like it to at least do 40km/h).
I was also considering getting a second wheelset that is 27.5" and runs fat bike hubs to commute around on, if I liked it - the knobby 4.7" Vee Bulldozer tires (that came on the bike), besides not being suited for that purpose, are very expensive to get her in New Zealand and cost more than my cars tires! - though I'd probably replace them with something else, as they self steer a bit.
Luna make perfectly good bikes to ride on the bbshd platform and their upgraded controller works very well. You ought to get the speeds and torque you want. I had no issues doing any of this with the stock bafang controller. The ASI just adds smoothness and acceleration. But you will have a blast under warranty and can upgrade anytime you want. The second set of wheels is a good one. Wish I had the cash free as my knobbies are very noisy on the road but I'd like the extra traction on trails...but I cant be doing swapping tires all the time!
@@HighVoltageKits You can get a set of ICAN carbon 27.5 " wheels laced with your desired size fat bike hubs for only $595 USD from China. Max rider weight on them is only 110KG though. The only problem I have with the Luna BBSHD - it is sold here through an Australian agent and incurs $80 NZD in shipping, plus GST on top of that coming in to the country. Whereas I could get a stock model from China for a few hundred less (by the time you add GST) and with free shipping. Is there much involved wiring up the external controller, do you need to solder, or it is just plug and play?
No soldering if you get it from www.electricrt.com if you pick the eggrider or the colour display option it should be straight plug and play. The hardest part is unplugging the stock controller as it is siliconed in. The phase wired are easy. The hall sensor is the trickery part. I gently removed the silicone with a jewelers screwdriver and wiggled it out. I did very well on the duty and tax ordering from em3ev.com that was to Canada. I paid very little. Nothing at all on the battery.
Im new to this putting a bbshd on old Cannondale F900. I put the shift sensor on and now my shifting skips. In the video you comment you didn't see the need for shift sen and only use the big rear gear? What did you mean? I know you had gear changes in your other vids. If I can get rid of the sensor that would be great. Im taking your recommend on the battery/ don't have money together yet. Thanks for your videos! Still on the entry learning curve
We all started somewhere! Thanks for the comment. I am using an external controller with single speed so no gear changes! But i still used a gear changer when I was on stock. You are welcome to join the channel discord. Easy to get help there! discord.gg/YAAjfgc
I just followed link to discord and signed up. Thanks!
Since I don't have a battery wondering about the em3 60v?
Awesome. Feel free to post questions and photos. Especially about the gear sensor issue.
I'll have a look when I get a second. It won't work stock bbshd for sure tho. Will have to be a modified controller
Hi, I have a 48v 1000w bafang motor on my bike, n ur rite actual stock controller sucks, I wanted to upgrade d controller so plz cud u help me on dis plz
Hey Bosco. We make an upgrade kit at High Voltage. The first thing I recommend is to post some photos of your bike on our Discord and get some help and advice. You can chat to many users of our BAC855 upgrade kit. discord.gg/vBmznASm Let me know if you have any problems.
Because you always use the large sprocket at the back, don't you find that it is not good for pedaling as the speed goes up? Like your feet just spin around, or are you only using the throttle? I recently installed mine and find that I'm always in the smallest cog at the back otherwise peddling is pretty impossible
Yeah. I gave up on peddling with my setup. It's just for transport and getting about. Once rpms get up that high there is not much you can do apart from use a smaller gear.
@@HighVoltageKits what about the upgrade bac800 ?
Oh it was too fast stock. Yeah I guess you lower the amount of assist. As soon as you up the power though the motor will attain a high rpm. There are some settings you can do tho. Have you searched for Karl's special sauce bbshd?
@@HighVoltageKits I tried... It comes up with StevenC video about hacking an ebike, shows changing basic levels etc not about the bac 800... Any info or link?
What did you wrap your connectors in to keep water out? Is that heat shrink?
Its stretchy tape on the outside. For the phase wires I used a combination of di electric grease and heat shrink. Also liquid electrical tape for the halls. This video has some more detail. ruclips.net/video/vXGPNPmohXw/видео.html
@@HighVoltageKits alright thanks because I've been figuring out a way to secure the battery plug was just gonna try to use heatshrink overcovering the connectors and then like a ziplock bag over it lol thanks
Yeah the battery is harder. The plug itself is very tight fitting but where the wires enter is exposed. Try silicone in the gaps. I thread mine into my battery bag through a small cut I made.
so you don't change gears ? doesn't that wear the chain and motor out faster because you run it at a higher rpm than you otherwise would ?
The chain has a very straight chainline and the ratio is kind at 1:1 These motors are very strong so they tolerate it very well. Lots of folks with this setup have thousands and thousands of kms on them. Your point is valid. I'm sure they will wear faster with both its just not to the extent that would make it not worthwhile. Thanks for the comment.
Besides your EggRider 6:56 being small and discreet, what was wrong with the stock Bafang display? Were you getting erroneous values, harder to program, poor battery life, just didn't like it, etc, what forced the change?
Nothing. I had no issues with it at all. I was sold on the eggrider with the separate road and offroad riding profiles as well as being able to program the bbshd via my phone.
Captain Codswallop I just found your EggRider ‘First Impressions’ video. I get it now. I’m sold 🙂
You are on the stock bbshd right? There are issues with on the asi
Captain Codswallop that is the plan. Looking to add a BBSHD to my Cannondale. With the ability to program Bafang motor with EggRider, is upgrading the controller a must or a preference?
Very much a preference. I think this is something to get used to before getting more advanced in terms of power etc
Why would you go through a rear brake pad more often than a front brake pad?
The short answer is because I was riding like a bit of a muppet. Part of it was my concern over the carbon front fork. So I was tending to brake more on the rear I think. After I put in shocks on the front I trusted it a lot more so brake wear is now much more normal! Hope this helps. Cheers
nice video. It is a 100mm BB axle on the Fatboy?
Usually a 120mm due to the chain stays
@@HighVoltageKits thank you.
What about the luna 2000 watt controller?
The only luna controller I know of is the modified stock version they do so it can run 50 amps. Thats about 2500 watts max. They have a new VESC based gen 2 controller coming out but much is yet unknown. The piece of paper looks nice but have not seen any real world testing and of course they are locking its sale in with the purchase of an entire luna bike.... If this is not what you meant let me know! Cheers
What do you think about regen braking ?
I think its brilliant. My bikes wont work with it as it stands tho. I use a derailleur on both and you need to have a straight run chain for regen with mid drive motors. If I had horizontal dropouts I could go single speed and achieve this. It's a future project tho for sure.
what is your largest sprocket on the rear cassette
It's a 42t. I run the same on the front for a 1 to 1 ratio.
Great video, thanks. I will be ordering this motor soon. I have a Giant DS3 mnt bike, has a non conventional shape frame, so I need to install battery pack on a real bracket that bolts on to seat post. Can the pack be secured in the rear bracket?
I'd be looking at a custom battery rather than an off the shelf model. Anything is possible though. You could post a picture on the cyc owners group and I am sure people with similar frames will give you pointers as well.
Where did you bay tne new controller ?
Originally from a company called ERT now no longer in operation. We are making our own upgrade kit now tho.
is the bafang bbs hd still alive - because of the use of a 72 Volt Batterie / BAC 800 ? Didnt you have to change the nylon gears so far ?
Hey Nik. I'm still on the same drive train over a year later. Its holding up well. Nylon gear intact. Cheers
@@HighVoltageKits mine is also in good shape ( 19 000 km so far ) - whereby my bbs hd has smear nipples and I only have used a 14s - 10 p batterie with the original 30 A controller.
nice guys here have testet the motors in our mountain region. Both are great.ruclips.net/video/YkjWWj9loX4/видео.html
This pleases me. They made a good motor that's for sure
Personally I haven't experienced the Bafang stock bbs controller to be a "pain in the ass" for my style of riding.
During easy, non racing, relatively low speed average 29 km/h rides working as a bicycle Postman messenger 📪.
It's fairly waterproof sealed out of the box.
Programming with usb cable or eggrider display is not hard in my opinion.
I like the experience and natural intuitive feeling of being able to control the ebike motor with your feet, handsfree wether your input is transferred through pas or even better through a torque sensor , very much.🚴
Also because this input system enables me to ride with my hands and arms free in an aero bar wich safes a lot of wind resistance and adds comfort on the wrists or pas allows me to carry letters and small packages in my hands in stead of constantly holding on tight to a throttle..
It's also gives good exercise and safes battery not being able to ride the bike like a scooter without pedalling along.🛵
Lunacycle mentioned that they believe the bafang bbshd controller of wich over the years the quality and quantity of mosfets have been improved is better than cyclones mid drive controller.
Some people use the bbshd / bbs03b controller into their bbs02b +750 watt motors mid drive as an upgrade , with succes.
Before my current Bafang bbs middrive on a hardtail mtb, I drove a max 2kw Crystalyte HS rear hub motor with xlyte max 30 amp sensorless pas enabled external controller on a full suspension mtb for four years. But that xlyte Chinese pas system was more slow than the bbs in reaction time of transfering sensored pedal (magnets) rotations into enabled or disabled electric hub motor assistance.
Nothing wrong with a different opinion. External controllers take more work for sure. I'm not sure where you got the idea that there is no PAS with the bac800. I use it all the time. In fact now the NXT display is on the bike I have true independant PAS and throttle. I cam even have 3 pas levels on the road and 9 for trails if I wished. There is also an EU mode in the works that locks out the bike to the legal limit and no throttle. The idea being you can ride your bike to the offroad area and then unlock with a PIN. PAS is my big area with the NXT and I am hoping the experience will be improved. User control over power ramping, decay, optimum cadance etc. Maybe I'm being a bit harsh on the stock controller. If you are ok programming it and running with the eggrider thats great. I bricked mine simply by changing the amp settings! Thanks for the comment. Cheers
If you skip to 6:10 you can see some riding using PAS on the bac800. The motor idling feature keeps chain tension while riding so less snap on the chain as PAS engages.ruclips.net/video/r2vyJ1mBCUE/видео.html
@@HighVoltageKits ok thanks for the reaction. And xtra info . Sorry for the confuse.
I based my first feature impressions on the asi bac 800 controller Lunacycle sells on this site link (*) where it is said that cyclone specific asi bac 800 does not has a pas connection . i did not realize immediately: there are many different asi bac 800 controller versions and different cable harnasses available. Curious to learn more about what you shared above. 👍
lunacycle.com/asi-bac-800-controller-72v-version/
LUNA are not very good with ASI. I would not get one from them. It's a very difficult thing to get dialed in right. I'm not shocked that they say things like that tho.
@@HighVoltageKits after googling I figured out some options to get a asi bac 800 dialed in for the popular bafang bbs middrive with pas functionality embedded in the package.
F.i. this one Electric Racing Technology you have mentioned before -->
electricrt.com/bafang-bbshd-upgrade-kit
Ps
In Europe sellers of that asi bac 800 are rare . one in the uk who does sell them listed they were out of stock on may 1st. 2020.
I did also see there is a asi bac version for the cyc x pro gen 2 mid drive (Torque sensored) relatively new e-bike motor.
Any idea why I would get a 30H ERROR when I power up the BAC800 for the first time?
I Googled 30h and it said it was a communication error. The only one I have ever got is e10 for overvoltage.
From what I read online it can be the speed sensor. Or the wiring harness. Its not going to be the controller if it's new. Have you tried all the connections? What display are you using?
electricbike.com/forum/forum/kits/bafang-mid-drives/troubleshooting-bbshd-and-bbs02/976-error-30-in-the-bbshd-and-bbs02
@@HighVoltageKits I looked at this link and also another one on the same forum. One difference is I have the BAC800 and this forum is addressing the controller that Luna sells. Looking at the display manual it has 08-99 (Error Codes) Reserved Please contact the manufacturer for error definitions. I do have the Bafang display I can plug in to see what happens but not sure how that will work since I'm using the BAC800. I'll let you know. The speed sensor is plugged in as well as everything except the gear sensor on the lower end. (The red connection) there were only two and the speed sensor plug into one of them. I haven't actually installed the magnet on the spoke yet but that shouldn't make a difference. I was powering up so I could install the brake sensors properly, positioned correctly. I also sent a text to Alan at ERT, I'm going to take a picture of the display and send it to him now since I haven't heard from him yet.
Good luck. I'd check all connections especially the display. Let me know how you get on.
здравствуйте. могу ли я подключить дисплей dpc18 к неродному контролёру и как это сделать
Эй, Артур, это через гугл-перевод, так что, надеюсь, это имеет смысл. Это зависит от протокола контроллера. Это невозможно с контроллерами ASI. Не уверен, что это сработает с другими. От контроллера очень сильно зависит, будет ли он работать. Я бы связался с производителем напрямую, если это возможно.
Getting one soon.
Does the throttle have settings or does it just overide everything?
With the ASi bac800 the throttle scales with the peddle assist levels. So level one is 800 watts of throttle max and level 5 is full 2800 watts. On a 52 volt battery anyway. Stock bafang it is one level for the throttle. But it does override the peddle assist.
Thanks.
I probably wont bother with assist anyway.
I use it at low speeds when passing people or in tight spaces. The throttle I have is not the greatest. I may upgrade to a domino one in the future.
I use thumb..its difficult at first, but now I can use it to tackle the most technical terrain with ease.
That's good to know. I have a thumb throttle to try at some point
where you get the bb tool?
West coast electric bikes I think.
are you riding more like a motorcycle or using it as a assist to you pedaling and I'm wondering if some of this issues you raised related to drivetrain and controller are because of that cheers
More like a moped in speeds. PAS is okay but not like with a torque sensor. These days I just use the throttle with a nice big gear at the back. I'm very much more into enjoyment of riding around than the exercise. I have not run into any drive train issues since I moved the cassette around to get a straight run. Hope this helps! Cheers
@@HighVoltageKits I'm just looking at getting a stock kit on my bike for now to start exercising again I've been out of it for a while and find I get to tired if I try going out and fall off the wagon quick because of that, so I was thinking of adding this kit to add assist to me exercising so I actually can get out and enjoy it rather than feeling awful, any recommendations with the stock system in my circumstances? I have a 2015 RSD The Mayor
Yes. I would get it from a place like em3ev that does a bit of work on it to start with. Get it programmed with Karl's special sauce settings. You are welcome to join the channel discord via the link in the description. We can help more easily on there. You can post pics of the frame etc.
Did you use the 100mm bbshd or the 120mm?
The 120mm :)
Thank you!
The model 620 is all metal gears from what I hear.
Yeah I think you are right. It's often called the ultra. Andy Kirby has some good videos on it. Custom hall sensors. It's a beast. But you need a custom frame and mounting plate to use one.
Where you get your road tyres.....cheers
I wish I could remember. They are called arisun big smoothies
what about a igh like the rohloff ? or a strong 3 speed igh ?
Potentially. The sturmy archer 3 speed can reportedly handle up to 3kw.... Rohlhoff hubs are super nice but super expensive. So if money was no object I'd consider it. But not at very high power and not on a fatbike. The engineering and quality is German and of the highest quality.
Captain Codswallop so it could be a sturmy archer 3 speed on a fat bike - my surley troll can only handle an axle with up to 142 mm. The Rohloff is too expensive - sorry too say that as a german. By the way I was inspired from your videos to built up a surley troll with a bbshd. My bafang bbs hd wasnt lubed from the factory - not nice to see that. BAFANG THATS REALY BAD 🤑
Yeah I have heard they are not very generous with the lube. I'll be redoing mine in the spring. I may well try the steel gear then as well. The article I read on the sturmy was on electricbike.com I think. The surley is a great frame! Good choice.
Hey captain whats up? I don’t know how much longer i can wait For the controller . I Think I’m going to give him to the end of this week before I cancel my order. Lol i dont want summer time to be over before i get it.
Hey, hows it going! I think I have figure out a way for Alan to be more easily able to update customers at least in the short run. I have set up a channel on the discord server I have setup. Alan has said he will monitor it and update on stuff like production and shipping times and other relevant information. discord.gg/ajdgfqU
No gears with a mid drive is kinda pointless. What’s good about mid drives is you retain use of your gears and can adapt to more terrains. I like to do full speed street rides too. A hub drive would work best for you
It’s only pointless to you though. This is not meant to be pedalled. It’s more like a stealth dirt bike. It will climb pretty much anything with that single gear as well as reaching 65+kph. It’s one of the most fun bikes to ride. But if you want pedal for exercise look elsewhere.
@@HighVoltageKits It's condescending how you talk to me like I'm some noob who stumbled across an ebike build channel by chance.
I have converted my mountain bike using a Luna BBSHD ludicrous kit, that's 2600w with their 52v LG battery and their 50 amp controller. It's very stealth and I don't need to pedal.
There is no way you're reaching 40 MPH with a single gear setup.
I can only reach 38 MPH if I'm on the smallest 11T rear sprocket and with a very large front 42T chain ring. I would absolutely melt the internal BBSHD nylon gear and probably mess up a bunch of other internals if I only operated the bike on the smallest gear all the time. Especially starting, climbing, etc. And if I upgraded the nylon gear to metal I would just strip the metal.
What you are doing is running your kit as a single gear with the largest rear-sprocket, which is fine but you will not reach 40 MPH. 18/20 MPH tops would be my guess.
But all in all, this is an incredibly useless proposition as the only reason to run a mid over hub is ability to pedal, and ability to climb AND go fast depending on gear selection. You're doing 1 of these 3 things at most.
@vapeurdepisse @vapeurdepisse Lunas stuff is shite. I know nothing about you so you interpreted notion of condescension is your own making. I get all kinds of people commenting on here saying what I cannot do with a bbshd. Fact is using our kit it pulls 3500 watts and hits 65kph with ease as we utilize field weakening with the ASI controller. That results in a loaded peak of over 13,000 rpm. My channel is literally full of videos showing this. Not hard to find them. I use a 1 to 1 42t to 42t to get the perfect balance of acceleration and climbing. Don’t believe me here is our kit reaching almost 90kph at 4000 watts. ruclips.net/video/ttVPZBSEW3o/видео.htmlsi=Z1DiFNPelZqnJnTV my fat bike is slower as I use less power. It reaches less rpm due to drag etc. Not meaning to be condescending but you don’t know jack mate.
@@HighVoltageKits Saying Luna is shite while you're just putting together kits from off the shelves parts and cosplaying as a business... Even calling yourself "we". And making a bunch of nonsensical claims that are 100% physically impossible. I guess I'll have to see your wonderful kits on your channel as it's not available anywhere and nobody else is using them 🤣
@vapeurdepisse your clueless. I literally posted a video of it doing close to 90kph. You just looking to talk shit. Grow up kid. We wouldn’t want to deal with you anyway. If you think it’s impossible you don’t know a thing about Ebike’s. L for love ;)
Brakes are important!!! - said the man running Tektro 2 pots. Honestly dud Shimano M520 calipers will work with tektro levers and get a set of Uberbike Radiators with Racematrix and you'll wonder why youe ver stuck with those tektro.
Money mainly. I have a limited budget to do these projects. Once the new one is done this bike will get a full rebuild. You are correct. Quad piston Shimano or Magura would be much better!
What is the different controller u got?
ASI BAC800 / 855
@@HighVoltageKits thanks. I dont see the controller when buying the motor... or this is the display? I assume not.
There are only a few places doing this controller. Try Electron cycles or have a chat with people on the discord for other options. It can be hard to get pre-configured plug and play. I have lots of videos on the asi tho
Ok the bike is good build and everything optimised but that Fat Bike with Fat Tires is drinking a lot of battery power, if you are not off-road it's a waste of energy.
Nice videos btw.
Electric Biker Thanks! Yeah the tires are not the best for efficiency. They are very stable though and I used to take the kids to their schools in a trailer so the stability was the main point. I will be switching to winter stuff soon tho!
I understand belt drive is better?
I have heard good things about belt drive. Definitely quieter. Possibly longer lasting and easier to maintain. I have zero experience tho. Part of that is budget. The benefits I'd get from belt drive are not things I'm that fussed about. So I'd rather try new battery tech over say a belt drive kit. But belt drive stuff is good. Thanks for the comment.
U not saying, tork, can u say, what’s the tork required..??!!
For the bbdhd lockring? 90ft lbs