Is 20TB a big enough hard drive?
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Let me address what you are going to say, that everyone has repeatedly told me... that RAID-0 is not redundant, that if ONE drive fails you lose your data.
Guess what... when your SINGLE drive fails, you lose your data. NO SHIT?
That's why you make extra backups, on other drives, on the cloud, on a DVD... whatever.
This isn't my first time.
I have been editing video since before most of you were born, on tapes.
Back when I worked on a fucking TOASTER (if you know what this is) and we had a SCSI-RAID with a cable as wide as your arm.
So chill out.
I know what I am doing.
Shit works.
@@jeremyolson3837 There are DVDs that do last forever, that are made out of a ceramic substance. You can get a spindle of Panasonic's M-Discs that store 50 - 100 GB each for a reasonable cost and are legitimately good for 100+ years in storage. Not 20TB, but most people have only 100 GB of highly critical personal data, at most, which is worth investing in.
Yes, I have raid as well, plus backups, but taking my entire archive of old data and dumping it on less than 10 discs ( versus huge binders before ) was a worthwhile project.
That said, yes, a raid array is the simplest option. But if I was a content creator, I'd go with an 8 bay design and use raid 50 or 60 to be safe. 8 bay enclosures are pretty easy to find and having one with a raid controller built-in is a huge advantage versus asking the computer to handle it all for you. Both in reliability but also speed. Yes, 4 or 5K is a lot of money, but losing data... that's just too awful to deal with.
Remember that RAID 0 has no fault tolerance so if you lose one of those drives you lose all data across all five. Also, it is not hot swappable so don’t pull any of those drives out or you’ll lose all the data. These things are pretty reliable these days so the risk is lower than it used to be, but if you want to protect the data you want RAID 1 or 5.
When setting up a RAID array, someone should always keep in mind the Big "R"... "Redundant".
You're 100% about no fault tolerance. RAID 0 means, a single drive failure and your data is "poof".
Bob has uninterrupted power supplies on his audio system, so protection is floating around in his head.
RAID is not backup.
@@seanwieland9763nobody said it was. The issue here is that if one disk dies, it’s knackered. Other RAID setups of where you use two disks for storage and the other two for redundancy.
@@chrispybee this is why a Synology NAS is my preferred solution.
Park that RAID array behind a good CyberPower AVR and go with RAID-1 for the "redundancy".
If your data is important to you, forget max capacity and mirror your drives.
Some notes (not all the way thru video, so if you go over this, I apologize) that might help (and I'm not trying to bash the video, just trying to share information that may help, because data loss sucks):
RAID is not a replacement for backup. RAID offers redundancy in case of drive failure. If data gets corrupted, infected, etc. it's simply going to replicate that same issue across the stripe.
If you start with 5 x 4TB drives, in a typical RAID setup (RAID 5 for instance), you won't get 20TB, you'll basically be using one of the drives capacity for the parity stripe (in this case 4TB). So to start with, you'll have 16TB. Then there is also partitioning/formatting overhead and cluster size, which will probably leave you with about 14TB of storage space.
If it's important data, I always recommend the 3-2-1 backup method. 3 Copies of the data, stored on 2 media types, with 1 offsite backup.
And finally, in recent years, speed is no longer a huge issue when it comes to software vs. hardware RAID, so given the choice, I would choose software RAID. Hardware RAID is a pain in the rear to recover if the controller goes bad. You either have to replace it with the EXACT same hardware controller chip, or spend days deep scanning, hoping and praying it works. Software RAID is nice because it's hardware-agnostic.
Actually, just got to the part where you selected RAID 0. I hate they call that RAID, it's not redundant. Please, don't select that. You'll be going from 1 point of failure (single drives you lose 1 drive, you lose all that drives data, but only that drive) to 5 points of failure (if you lose 1 drive, you lose the ENTIRE RAID span, all 5 drives are lost).
Bro took his Comptia A+ test serious
@@Kahuna_550 Hehe, only certification I ever took was the Networking Essentials, was going to eventually get my MCSE, but after taking that first test, I was done. Too much memorization of stuff that back then you would keep reference books for instead.
Also, I agree. Eventually a drive will drop out in a bay like that, usually due to internal error correction and re-allocating blocks taking too long - a known problem with SSDs as they age. Doubly so with multi-layer flash. Running MLC and raid 0 - I've seen it over and over again and those cheap bays plus SSDs is.. I've seen them go bad in as little as a week or so, especially if there's a power failure (or even small brownout) involved. The hardware is fine (not like it shorted out or something) - the array just drops a drive due to how it's all cobbled together and.. poof. Array de-syncs and it's gone.
I personally run an 8 bay chassis connected to a UPS ( a must, IMO ). I got mine on sale years ago for about $500 (they normally run about $800-1000). Connect it, set up raid 60, forget about it. EDIT - that's for the NAS "brick". Drives were extra, of course.
Yep. If you have one drive and lose that drive, you lose everything.
I hate this dumb argument.
@@RobertMoseley I was trying to explain that RAID 0 is actually worse than losing one drive, as it introduces more points of failure. But hey, you do you.
It all comes down to the use case! If you need a lot of storage (I've got 30TB and looking to upgrade, probably going with a Synology NAS with ~80-120TB of space) I still think right now the best bang for the buck is a hardware NAS with mechanical drives. But for video editing I would recommend dedicated NVME drives in the system, as big as you can afford. Edit them on the NVME then toss them out to the NAS for backup. The reason is bandwidth - NVME drives are 10x faster than Thunderbolt, USB C, 10gig ethernet, or any other external connection (in the consumer space!). Less over head, too. But this will probably out perform whatever your system currently has.
If you know anyone that 3D prints you could get some sleeves inserts printed to hold the drives still to make sure they stay still in the bays .
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You are rocking some new age tech there BOB. That is the type of room/resources you need for video editing these days. Well Done friend.
actually outdated already, don't get me wrong it's better than what I have or will probably ever own for I just don't have the need or the disposable cash! I think after he reads all the comments from the techies he'll return all this for NVMe and a better enclosure!
Hope those drives are dependable, and even the actual storage size advertised. Never heard of that brand and I've seem some on Amazon getting off-brand storage that is not what is advertised in storage or dies quickly.
Man, you are a cool guy! Enjoy all your videos
It looks like a toaster made for robots
Should of went with Synology and brand name drives. Hopefully those won't have any issues.
hey there video bob very good video and i know that a lot of people have posted and i might be repeating some things anyway when it comes to most peoples data it’s extremely valuable and you definitely don’t want to lose it now you didn’t sound like you were keeping your data all in one place this is smart however i just wanted to say something because of my personal bad experience and the data recovery process and it was only a single drive was so expensive i didn’t have backup of it and thankfully i got the data back because to lose my files of my dad and my grandparents were talking everything from pictures to videos his family genealogy truly it would be devastating anyway you kind of said what you plan to use the drive an i totally agree doing a hardware raid is the best way to go depending on the systems use it also will give you good performance overall but unless you’re working with massive files that requires a ton of storage for a short period of time i would never recommend a raid zero configuration the changes of a drive or controller failure is just far too high so now everyone has a opinion about what raid configuration to use and what is best an what is not i do have lots of experience with raid 6 it requires a minimum of 4 drives and you can lose 2 of them out of the 4 without losing any data now a hardware raid is the best in my experience however you really want to make sure the controller has battery backup and try to stay with known brands as a controller failing can be catastrophic to your data resulting in complete data loss with no recovery option in certain situations the battery backup is of course there in the event of power loss so any data stored in the controllers cash can be written when power is restored and the last thing you really want to be careful with the place you purchase your storage media as well as the brand as storage capacity being faked is a big problem these days it’s less of a problem if you’re getting the parts from the manufacturers own store on amazon sandisk for example or from a brick and mortar store im not familiar with the brand you picked personally but i will say that in most cases if it’s to good a deal it probably is so i always test the the drives now before i put them in a raid configuration and see if you get data corruption if you fill it half way this is a much harder thing to do on a spinning disk so normally you get what you ordered on a spinning disc plus it’s easier to get the main brands an the last thing with solid-state storage, you are limited on how many reads and writes you have as the flash storage wares and will fall over the an can’t be as easy to recover if needed because if the chips damaged it’s done so a spinning disc has its advantages but now im just rambling sorry for the long post but its helpful i hope 🤞
I've got that Yottamaster model you showed. That sucker is heafty. it weighs about 7 pounds empty. With my 5 18tb seagate enterprise drives in it, it's a good 15 pounds. But it's a great unit.
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Love your videos. Just a heads up in all well meaning. Be very careful with storing valuable things on that device and disks in raid. If one disk goes bad everything will be lost ask me how i know. If I knew what I went through before, I would have gone with a bigger TB dual disk NAS where one disk work as a backup to the other one. That way you will always have a working backup if one disk goes bad. So please what ever you do dont store your valuable memories on that storage you bought.
Regards from Sweden.
People keep telling me this as if we don't know this shit.
IF you your SINGLE hard drive fails... you lose your shit.
If your multi disk drives fail, you lose your shit.
No shit.
No fucking shit.
You are kidding?
You mean to tell me if your solid state drive fails you lose your data?
You got to be kidding? REALLY?
@@RobertMoseley All I said was keep backup of the backup IF you store valuable things. I know you have some really valuable videos from old times with Pantera etc, just didnt want you to loose it. Hard for a viewer to know what you know and I think thats why so many commented on it.
Just want you to be safe, thats all.
Regards from Sweden.
Video Bob.....I just want to add....I know you are a smart dude and in no way am I bashing at all.......but, I have built every machine I own, and I have to have a machine that is the best of the best as it is my tool box.....I use AutoCAD and engineer kitchens ..... I went thru years of using PC parts that always failed.......I look at it like this, I started sparing no expense when in comes to my tool box and Corsair products are very good in RAM, SSD's, and cooling.......water cooled shit
I agree you should not cheap out, more so with storage. But Corsair is not perfect, the problem with so many of these computer companies is they contract out like mad. You cannot put the same weight into their brand as cars.
@@anasevi9456 I understand..... but I have tried and true results with Corsair for over 15 years ..... and if something fails, which never has, they will replace it
Can I educate you without offending? An ellipsis ( ... ) consists of three evenly spaced periods and is used to indicate the omission of words or suggest an incomplete thought. In general, an ellipsis should be treated as a three-letter word, with a space, three periods and a space.
@@raaawkstaaar an ellipse to me is a 20 x 26 serving tray at a high end restaurant
Merch shop?? When ya gonna start selling VideoBob shirts and other things?? Magnets, coffee mugs etc. That’ll be money sir.
Blackmagic Cloud Store (which is a device and not “in the cloud”) might be more expensive but it’s also the more reliable and seamless solution on Mac for video editing storage.
This solution looks like it could be a little janky, tbh. The no-name SSDs don’t inspire confidence either, but I’m paranoid about data integrity.
I agree, if you're going to spend $8K on a new system don't scrimp on the storage. I predict that fan quits working in 2 months time! If I didn't see that it came from Amazon I would have guessed TEMU! But what do I know my system is older than Bob's and it's PC Windows and my biggest SSD drive is only 1TB. I'd be happy to be able to spend what he spent here on a new tower! LOL
Good video
Nice
Call in your computer guy & make another video😅
Video bald mostly
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Send the other 1 back
Definitely not a hot swap unit. That’s not how any of this works.
Not in a 0 config, but possible in this enclosure:
www.amazon.com/dp/B0CM73VQKH?th=1&linkCode=sl1&tag=videobob-20&linkId=a9b1b846a754df1c642cf5388acd8f8f&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
why are there so many haters in the comments
cause they can't afford this shit I guess?
@@RobertMoseley I can't afford a Rolex n I enjoy. Just haters.
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ssd's are the shit but that case you got there for them is trash man
why?
@@RobertMoseley I just wouldnt put 5 cheap ssd's in a case like that.....that one small fan will not create enough cool air running thru.....and I would never, ever array more than 5 Tb drives together.....if you have that much info, its probably important.
@@harlanmartin9964 I have always had multi drive raids, usually 4, spinning drives. Been lucky that none have failed.
I usually have extra backups on regular cheap externals.
@@RobertMoseley Because SSDs get significantly hotter under load. It's like a cheap bracelet on a Rolex or cheap boxes on one
Bang & Olufsen Attachment. PS: Also think about a backup so that the data is not lost if the part ever wears out.
@@mantafahrer5346 These actually don't. They aren't working that hard. I had them transferring 10TB worth of stuff for a long time and they weren't that hot.
I'm a tech dude and let me tell you 20TB is a joke.
I have a 16TB now that is half full, it will be fine.
depends on one's needs and budget...I only have 1TB SSD w/ (2) 2TB WDD's so 20TB would be a wet dream for me! Reading many of these comments really confirms how technology out of date my set up is LOL
@@jeremyolson3837 I have no need for a server or any reason for a HD that large! I also have a cell phone from 2019. I still wear my Air Jordan's and VANS from HS and that was 34 years ago! lol
it depends how much porn you need to download
all I know is I miss Windows XP. technology is getting crazy. electric cars and A I and robots need to goooo
Glad I’m not the only one!
buyers remorse
22tb sandisk ssd is $600 now, in a case warranteed.
Read the title more carefully! "SanDisk Professional 22TB G-Drive Enterprise-Class External Desktop Hard Drive - 7200RPM Ultrastar HDD Inside"
which hard disk drive would u recommend ? also would u recommend a floppy disk drive be used these days? thanks...............
Much love bob
unfortunately, the SATA SSD speeds will be limited by the interface, 800+ MB is decent, an M.2 NVMe RAID enclosure is probably the way to go. With modern PCIe 4.0 or 5.0 SSDs, you're talking up to 7,000MB+
fucking thing transferred a 4GB video in 1 second. How much faster do I really need this to be?
20TB should be able to store around 300 AAA games 🤯. Still need fast internet to keep everything updated.
WTF you think that’s enough memory? 😂😂😂😂😂
20TB.. that should be big enough for the GTA 6 install.
Depends if you want to save your original filming before editing.
You can always get a second in the future if you need space.
It is "saved" on the main computer hard drive, then uploaded to RUclips, then saved on my iCloud, then saved in Time Machine, then BACKED UP on this EXTERNAL enclosure, which is backed up again on another portable drive and put away.
It will be fine.
It's a mass storage drive.
No redundancy is the only issue with RAID 0 - how will you back it up? Cloud?
Bob definitely needs some version of a "redundant" RAID array. I'm sure he cares about the integrity of his data.
go check out Corsair
20TB 😳😱Wow
i currently use 11TB and just about full again, my back up RUclips vids and media off my 2 phones take up most of that, i use mainly 1 phone for pics / vids and the other mainly vids. this is X2 as i have backed up on another PC outside the house
19:42 4TBx5=Good GamingTower setup a lot use this type setup on Twitch gaming. Good for storage. Want to add not removing a drive otherwise lose all data. “All for 1 and 1 for all.”
You'd never see the rated speeds from NVMe drives in an external enclosure like that. SATA SSD's are probably the cheapest fastest option in your use case.
You are upgrading to something that suits you just fine. I am trying to move away from spinning HDD's and that is soon. I am thinking of trying an SSD on an old Windows XP computer to see if & how well that would work. With all my work, gardening, & I must watch some RUclips, I may never know... maybe Linus will do a video on that :-) Thank you for sharing :-)
Use both spinning rust and solid state configured with ZFS.
SSD drives are great, love mine
😅WTFIT?
I've written off 2.5 ssd's. Everything is going nvme. The real world lifetime of nvme drives is way longer than necessary for most people. I bought a 2TB nvme that I'm in the process of swapping into my notebook. I'll take the old 1TB nvme and swap it into my server that currently is using a 512G. Then the 512G will go into an external USB case. They're great for trickle-down upgrades.
Those are cool but they cost more to do the same thing I needed.
Not enough memory Bob. My videos are at least 30TB. Amazon is trash too.
how long are they? holyyy crapp
You should consult Linus Tech Tips. That would be an awesome collab video!!