What if Anyone Won the War of 1812?

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    Alright. I know you have opinions on the title saying "anyone". Anyone? How can you say anyone? Well officially nobody actually did. Historians just call the war a draw. Yet it can be debated who got the better deal between Britain, the US and Canada. (It was Canada).
    So what if the war went better for both sides? What if Britain won? What if the US? How could this uneventful war have changed everything?
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Комментарии • 6 тыс.

  • @ovni2295
    @ovni2295 3 года назад +6209

    The reason the British left DC after successfully taking the city is actually pretty funny. A few hours after the British took the city, a massive storm rolled in from the west and a fricken TORNADO hit the British camp, sending the army scattering. The US military was able to retake the city while the British regrouped, and the British retreated to get more supplies.

    • @silverstargaming20
      @silverstargaming20 3 года назад +1006

      Lmaooo seriously? That's fucking awesome. If there's anything saying "God is not on our side" it's that.

    • @coby4480
      @coby4480 3 года назад +1535

      That’s “Mongolians not conquering Japan because they got hit by a typhoon both times” tier

    • @pheonix1023
      @pheonix1023 3 года назад +229

      That’s fucking hilarious.

    • @arcticdino1650
      @arcticdino1650 3 года назад +467

      Mother nature is the ultimate victor of 1812

    • @Seethenhagen
      @Seethenhagen 3 года назад +368

      Sure they burned the White House, but we had God as our cavalry

  • @Quadnippz
    @Quadnippz 3 года назад +3772

    Britain: *burns white house*
    US: Tis but a scratch
    Britain: A scratch your capital city is ours
    US: oh come on you pansie

    • @hydrogenone6866
      @hydrogenone6866 3 года назад +149

      Oh Monty Python never change.

    • @FelipeJaquez
      @FelipeJaquez 3 года назад +36

      Battle of York

    • @Jiji-the-cat5425
      @Jiji-the-cat5425 3 года назад +120

      "Victory is mine! We thank thee lord, that in my-" *KICK* "Have at you!"

    • @mervynlan7727
      @mervynlan7727 3 года назад +14

      @@FelipeJaquez your stupid, York wasn’t and still isn’t Canada’s capital.

    • @irishbattletoster9265
      @irishbattletoster9265 3 года назад +1

      @@mervynlan7727 true

  • @TheMilitantHorse
    @TheMilitantHorse 3 года назад +3439

    America in Alt Timeline: _organized, efficient, actually working together_
    America in Actual 1812: "Anyway, I started blasting."

    • @linkandshiek5522
      @linkandshiek5522 3 года назад +208

      I mean if that wasn't us we just wouldn't be America.

    • @exudeku
      @exudeku 3 года назад +207

      America in WWII Europe organized and efficient
      America in the Pacific (especially Midway): LEEEEROY

    • @michaelostergren3516
      @michaelostergren3516 3 года назад +97

      @@exudeku I feel like Japan would be the one yelling leeroy and Germany is the one who is talking about the facts and plan as the Japanese just banzai into pearl harbor.

    • @No1Poop
      @No1Poop 3 года назад +73

      Through luck, bullshit, and plot-armour, the Americans were able to out-manoeuvre the highly-organized Japanese navy, resulting in a decisive victory for the allies.
      Seriously though, who has THAT much luck?!

    • @exudeku
      @exudeku 3 года назад +25

      @@No1Poop midway in a nutshell

  • @OFKVT
    @OFKVT 3 года назад +724

    I found out that in 1815 my eight great grandfather lived in the same town I live in now. His children all moved away, but eight generations later we ended up right back here.

  • @SixWingZombi
    @SixWingZombi 3 года назад +741

    The only reason I get salty about the War of 1812 is because I got a D on a paper about the importance of pirates to the early United States because the teacher said the Battle of New Orleans wasn't important. This teacher also marked pointed off me because "Privateers aren't pirates."

    • @jab4043
      @jab4043 3 года назад +60

      In the overall scheme of things it really wasnt

    • @morganv7895
      @morganv7895 3 года назад +44

      Privateers used pirate tatics sooo, kinda lol

    • @SixWingZombi
      @SixWingZombi 3 года назад +113

      @@jab4043 But does that really warrant a D when only a single part of the paper was about Jean Lafitte

    • @SixWingZombi
      @SixWingZombi 3 года назад +113

      @@morganv7895 She wrote that quote in the margins on my paper. Honestly the only thing different between a Pirate and a Privateer is that a nation bribed them for preferential treatment.

    • @morganv7895
      @morganv7895 3 года назад +15

      @@SixWingZombi That is True. I would agree with you more.

  • @danmoriarty6901
    @danmoriarty6901 3 года назад +747

    "The British wouldn't push to intervene in a continent half a world a way" oh oooooh boy

    • @turbowarrior9918
      @turbowarrior9918 3 года назад +148

      They fought 3 wars for tea for goodness' sake.

    • @gaiusjuliuscaesar8450
      @gaiusjuliuscaesar8450 3 года назад +186

      -unless there was a huge economic incentive to do so
      *sips tea*

    • @RaidsEpicly
      @RaidsEpicly 3 года назад +50

      the native buffer state would be the periphery of the periphery, and they'd have little to offer commercially to the UK itself (although there could certainly be significant trade between canada and the native state via the great lakes.
      The american fur trade after 1800 is way less important to the uk than something like the situation in china/opium wars where they were opening the worlds richest and most populous country to european exploitation.
      Also even though this was the start of its imperial century, the UK was a naval power through and through and even with a large canadian great lakes fleet there's only so much they can do to support the new native state against the americans militarily. I'd expect a lot of more covert economic and technical support though

    • @arcticlaw9198
      @arcticlaw9198 3 года назад +61

      Falkland Islands: Are you sure about that

    • @DavidChipman
      @DavidChipman 3 года назад +4

      @@arcticlaw9198 Was just going come and make a similar comment.

  • @OGTacitus
    @OGTacitus Год назад +82

    There is a fun story about 1812 war. In the late 1990-early 2000 an american history professor came to Moskow to give some lectures. When he asked if anyone knows about 1812 war everyone replied - yes, its one the russians won. He got confused (where were the russians?) and said that actually us had won, then russians got confused - when did us got involved against Napoleon? It took some time to clear that there are several 1812 wars

    • @MichaelfromtheGraves
      @MichaelfromtheGraves 6 месяцев назад +13

      that's a terrible history professor. My high school self would have been able to clear this up

    • @concept5631
      @concept5631 2 месяца назад +1

      That's kinda funny.

  • @thesquishedelf1301
    @thesquishedelf1301 3 года назад +536

    Canada as the USA’s “lid” is glorious, coming from an American.

  • @MustyMouse
    @MustyMouse 3 года назад +2142

    My favorite part of this is that nobody can argue if the music is God Save the Queen or America (My Country Tis of Thee)

    • @thomaswilson3827
      @thomaswilson3827 3 года назад +253

      Ironically, the song was created by the French.

    • @eldorados_lost_searcher
      @eldorados_lost_searcher 3 года назад +101

      @@thomaswilson3827
      Sacré bleu!

    • @jackyex
      @jackyex 3 года назад +41

      @@thomaswilson3827 cause the french king had ass pain

    • @coby4480
      @coby4480 3 года назад +41

      @@thomaswilson3827 Actually it was originally an old German anthem called Heil Dir Im Siegerkranz

    • @dfunited1
      @dfunited1 3 года назад +19

      Don't tell me what I can and can't argue about. Wanna fight about it?

  • @goldengolem4725
    @goldengolem4725 3 года назад +4629

    “Now if your Canadian, your either angry or absolutely hate this scenario,”
    Well, he isn’t wrong.

    • @gunterthekaiser6190
      @gunterthekaiser6190 3 года назад +171

      @@jim7601 To be fair most countries on earth have done horrible things. Canada is no exception. Buuut at least we acknowledge it and (most) Canadians wants to be better than our ancestors.

    • @jim7601
      @jim7601 3 года назад +193

      @@gunterthekaiser6190 lol what ? I'm just pointing out his hypocrisy I dont think anyone of today is responsible

    • @WhiskeyPatriot
      @WhiskeyPatriot 3 года назад +16

      The day of the Rake is nigh.

    • @wolf2403
      @wolf2403 3 года назад +4

      Smh as a canadian I am sad

    • @TKDragon75
      @TKDragon75 3 года назад +35

      @@jim7601 Canada was just mildly less bad than the US when it came to the natives.

  • @DeusMaquina
    @DeusMaquina 2 года назад +32

    13:33 "Alberta might as well be an American state"
    Edmontonian watching: "breaths out" he's not wrong... We are the Texas of Canada at this point.

    • @daltonfarris
      @daltonfarris 22 дня назад +1

      When yall get tired of funding the social programs of Ontario, we got a new us flag already prepped

    • @agilemind6241
      @agilemind6241 20 дней назад

      @@daltonfarris LOL, Alberta would be crazy to swap to the USA. They think they got it bad in a country where they contain 12% of the population, so they jump ship to be 1% of the population of the USA? Alberta has been the home of 3/23 prime ministers, and gets piles of federal support for pipelines and oil sands development. If they swapped to the USA they'd get nothing of the sort, the entire Alberta economy is smaller than that of Houston, and their population is half that of New York City. They may be Canada's Texas, but as part of the US they'd be a nothing more than a second Louisiana.

  • @Deepingmind
    @Deepingmind Год назад +43

    The funny thing about the 1812 war is that the US and Britain both won... and lost... the war. Both achieved their end goals from the outbreak of the conflict, while failing to block the other side from achieving their end goals for the conflict. Made even better that at the treaty talks, no one could figure out how to classify the conflict's declared resolve. When I was younger I imagined a table with two guys just constantly going back and forth with -
    US - Did you win?
    BE - I don't know, did we?
    US - I don't know, did we lose?
    BE - I don't know, did we lose?
    US - I don't know, did we win?
    BE - I don't know, did you win?
    And repeat...

  • @locomotivefaox
    @locomotivefaox 3 года назад +2031

    British Marines: Burn down the funny house
    Canadians: Yeah that was me

    • @6hughmungus9
      @6hughmungus9 3 года назад +75

      Being a British colony at the time, it was them.

    • @RevengeOfTheKaizer
      @RevengeOfTheKaizer 3 года назад +237

      @@6hughmungus9 The British army weren't Canadians.

    • @jaredisley-oliver389
      @jaredisley-oliver389 3 года назад +196

      As A Canadian!! No the Canadian militias where not involved with burning of the White House. Huge deference between Militia and Red coated British regulars!! I tried to teach my fellow Albertans about this and they get mad as fuck at me.

    • @6hughmungus9
      @6hughmungus9 3 года назад +53

      @@RevengeOfTheKaizer Canada wasnt a nation then... "Canadian" if anyone actually called themself that, was just a term for the british people living in Canada. The british army wasnt comprised of Canadians, but Canada was absolutely British at the time. I know it hurts american feelings that the White House got burned down. But this pretending like Canada wasnt involved and that the war was a draw is incredibly petty. Only American historians claim it was a draw.

    • @6hughmungus9
      @6hughmungus9 3 года назад +5

      @@jaredisley-oliver389 Theres a difference in the fighting forces but not in the nation they represent. Whether militia or red coat they were all representing one nation. You might be educating some on the difference in coat colour, but you might want to brush up on the political history of the nation you're from.

  • @kylewatson4193
    @kylewatson4193 3 года назад +748

    "You're not a hat, you're a lid" is strangely uplifting

    • @HamishDuh2nd
      @HamishDuh2nd 3 года назад +29

      More like America's brain.

    • @joaobaptista320
      @joaobaptista320 3 года назад +13

      @@HamishDuh2nd *weird Russian noises*
      Have yuo forgot about a Nordic comrade Cyka?

    • @jeremyo3596
      @jeremyo3596 3 года назад +24

      Big time American here. Yet I couldn't help but find that comment "you're not America's hat, you're America's lid," strangely hilarious! Loved it!

    • @mattsamoto4451
      @mattsamoto4451 3 года назад +10

      We Canadians are the loft apartment. Above a insane party, Yelling "Keep it down, People are trying to sleep!!" >.<
      Then come up hear ranting and raveing drunk, break our lamp say " sorry bro" then go back down stairs. americans -_-

    • @stevelucky7579
      @stevelucky7579 3 года назад +1

      @@mattsamoto4451 The desire to just Amex your country keeps growing. I mean, it’s not like your military would actually put up a fight. But at the same time, Canada doesn’t have any actual worth. So maybe it would be more fun to just pour money into Quebec and western Canada. If I remember correctly they both love Canada with a passion so it’ll be fun to see how that plays out.

  • @anvos658
    @anvos658 3 года назад +17

    I kind of feel like any realistic scenario of the US taking Canada in the War of 1812 involves them supporting a free Quebec rebellion, where Quebec gets autonomy and the two have essentially a free trade agreement.

  • @Chapy63
    @Chapy63 3 года назад +256

    I'm from Quebec and my blood just boiled. Well done Cody

    • @GSF1935
      @GSF1935 3 года назад +23

      I am from Nunavut it’s pretty cold up here

    • @silver3331
      @silver3331 2 года назад +9

      I’m from Ontario I’m a basic Canadian

    • @MacTac141
      @MacTac141 2 года назад +8

      @@silver3331 Hey a fellow basic Canadian! What’s up my guy?

    • @silver3331
      @silver3331 2 года назад +5

      @@MacTac141 it’s going great.

    • @LarsBlitzer
      @LarsBlitzer 2 года назад +7

      I'm an Albertan and I was pretty miffed as well. Granted, I'm in Edmonton, but still.

  • @mommat794
    @mommat794 3 года назад +670

    It was a tornado that saved DC. Saw it on the Weather Channel a while back. The British were burning everything they could, but then the sky popped out a twister. Locals knew to take cover, while the British freaked out and tried to run. The program said the twister caused the most British casualties of that war.

    • @fighter1375
      @fighter1375 3 года назад +257

      Apparently George Washington was pissed from the heavens.

    • @henriquemelchiorgomes8750
      @henriquemelchiorgomes8750 3 года назад +122

      so, basically imperial Japan?

    • @irishspartanstudios
      @irishspartanstudios 3 года назад +144

      @@fighter1375 *If George Washington Showed Up In American Gods:*

    • @monkofdarktimes
      @monkofdarktimes 3 года назад +21

      Washington did well

    • @fighter1375
      @fighter1375 3 года назад +76

      He descends down like Zeus and vaporizes the entire invading British force by just looking at them with his lightning bolt stare.

  • @hansmercredi3636
    @hansmercredi3636 3 года назад +786

    “Alberta might as well be an American state”
    *furious Albertan noises*

    • @Canhistoryismylife
      @Canhistoryismylife 3 года назад +135

      It’s true but he shouldn’t say it

    • @savageantelope3306
      @savageantelope3306 3 года назад +10

      bruh yeah same

    • @compatriot852
      @compatriot852 3 года назад +94

      Isn't there a group in Alberta that wants to join the US?

    • @RoxRock4ever
      @RoxRock4ever 3 года назад +75

      Heh, I was first actually told this by a guy from Calgary. Based on what I know, Alberta's culture is strikingly similar to say Texas or Montana.

    • @xstepper7419
      @xstepper7419 3 года назад +46

      @@RoxRock4ever def Texas. People see Texas ‘The Southern State’ but I think that title goes to Arkansas. Texas really is in many ways more of just a Midwestern state with a big population

  • @andrewkohli1088
    @andrewkohli1088 2 года назад +137

    Watching the American victory scenario as a Canadian was pretty sad. Really made me think about how different our culture would be, and also how we did the same kind of thing with the aboriginals

    • @siyacer
      @siyacer 2 года назад +47

      Your culture would be the exact same, except more accepting of your Americanness

    • @donaldwobamajr6550
      @donaldwobamajr6550 2 года назад +82

      The US and Canada are perhaps the two most culturally similar countries on Earth. It’s just that Canada’s constant inferiority complex forces it to overemphasize minor differences.

    • @siyacer
      @siyacer 2 года назад +9

      @@donaldwobamajr6550 everyone wants to be their own special snowflake

    • @azure4622
      @azure4622 Год назад +5

      I mean we'd have to pay for healthcare

    • @Jake-rs9nq
      @Jake-rs9nq Год назад +4

      ​@@azure4622 Lol, maybe in this alternative timeline, we'd actually have affordable Healthcare? Pribably not though

  • @kennethbill6013
    @kennethbill6013 3 года назад +10

    You are very educated and you use humor so effectively. Hypothetical and speculative history is interesting enough as it has its own ways to tickle our brains and even though it's not fact it can help us understand how to understand current affairs and the future of our world and our direction as a people. Very good job friend

  • @nathanbrown8680
    @nathanbrown8680 3 года назад +891

    The American conquest of Canada feels like an addendum to the scenario of Napoleon understanding his logistical limits and taking Ukraine in a campaign of multiple summers rather than trying to march into Moscow in a single campaign season.

    • @erwannthietart3602
      @erwannthietart3602 3 года назад +49

      Thats kinda how napoleon worked till now and it worked till russia... The best scenario would be for napoleon to isolate the russian in a "defansive" war to wipe the russian army therefore scaring the prussian out of another coalition and when russia is to weak and will either ruins the british to keep on fighting or more likely make another peace, Napoléon could properly take care of Spain and get rid of the huge attrition for the french forces there. Invading russia with napoleonic technology is simply not worth it

    • @nathanbrown8680
      @nathanbrown8680 3 года назад +15

      @@erwannthietart3602 Napoleon wasn't going to "properly take care of Spain." He was centuries too soon to counter an insurgency by any means other than to make a desert and call it peace. If he did that I think even the America of the time would decide England was the lesser evil.
      Napoleon is no longer effectively fighting back on the seas at this point because he and his Spanish allies have lost too much institutional knowledge and maintaining an age of sail navy on station is relatively cheaper than a steam powered navy. Britain can keep going for decades at sea; pretty much forever if the expanded US doesn't maintain a timber embargo.

    • @erwannthietart3602
      @erwannthietart3602 3 года назад +12

      @@nathanbrown8680 by "properly take care of Spain" i would mean settle for a few region of Spain and call it a day, its easyer to maintain controll over a few region than the whole place, and if Napoleon was wise enough to realise Russia isnt worth invading , he would be wise enough to realise spain isnt worth keeping under those condition. As for the Brits sure they COULD keep going for a long long time, but its not worth it for buiseness, even if they can fund another coalition or 5 no one would try to face france in the open (on land), so might aswell settle for a peace deal and focus on the colony like they did in real life.

    • @erwannthietart3602
      @erwannthietart3602 3 года назад +6

      @B Whit youre right im not saying Russia is weak in the 19th, im saying Napoleonic France was powerfull large and skilled enough to crush any army in the open at that point, only winter and the bold russian strat of burning their own land to prevent supply from getting into the invaders hand saved this united Russia in 1812. Therefore not invading Russia and simply settle to crush their army in poland (and yes the Russian would likely be crushed, even with the austrian and prussian they lost so alone...) would be enough to force Russia into peace. (Btw the mongols were divided already when united russian won against them. The remains of the golden horde aint the mongol empire.) General winter is Russia greatest weapon, and main reason why invading this huge country is NOT worth it.

    • @ragefacememeaholic5366
      @ragefacememeaholic5366 3 года назад +13

      @@erwannthietart3602 Contrary to popular belief the reason Napolean and Hitler failed at invading Russia is actually because of the fall. There is so much mud that moving supplies becomes almost impossible. That is one reason scorched earth actually worked. The only way for these armies to get supplied is by living off the land. Since no supplies were ever going to arrive since carts(for Napolean) and trucks (For Hitler) filled with supplies would never arrive.

  • @frederickoftheartic2209
    @frederickoftheartic2209 3 года назад +507

    The British: We just burned the white house, can we stop now?
    The US: Oooooooh you lost at New Orleans, we won the war..... *ok we can stop now*

    • @KKKKKKK777js
      @KKKKKKK777js 3 года назад +84

      More like The US: Ok we can stop now.
      Signs a peace treaty
      The US: Just one more battle, while we wait for the treaty to arrive back.
      Wins the battle of New Orleans.
      The US: We totaly won the war. USA! USA!
      The British: Eh whatever off to fight Napoleon again.

    • @cummachine7454
      @cummachine7454 3 года назад +27

      The war was declared over before the battle of new orleans its just that information traveled slower than

    • @lordbear7789
      @lordbear7789 3 года назад +10

      @@KKKKKKK777js Napoleon had already been exiled by then

    • @olympia5758
      @olympia5758 3 года назад +27

      If the British actually gave a single shit about the War of 1812, the US probably wouldn't be around today.

    • @Toons595
      @Toons595 3 года назад +2

      @@KKKKKKK777js You do realize napoleon was exiled by then?

  • @jessezer
    @jessezer 3 года назад +31

    I'm Canadian and I totally agree with both scenarios. Keep up the awesome work!

  • @hettyscetty9785
    @hettyscetty9785 3 года назад +8

    I now know about the war of 1812, as a Brit I had no idea that there even was a fight for New Orleans, the most I know is that they like Jazz and drink and Alligators but who doesn't like alligators.

  • @auba_375
    @auba_375 3 года назад +714

    I haven’t even watched it but I know this’ll be a banger.

    • @vancetheseas3471
      @vancetheseas3471 3 года назад +3

      I haven’t watched this but I know it will be controversial

    • @Nostripe361
      @Nostripe361 3 года назад +3

      @@vancetheseas3471 I already see people arguing about who really won in the comments.

    • @mikaelleonbriones6356
      @mikaelleonbriones6356 3 года назад

      The best part of this video is when Cody mentions hid great grandaddy S. Cauldren, I loved that part, it felt sweet for some reason to find out who was your grandfather: sort of like when Underwood found out his grandpop fought in the Civil War.

    • @GodzillaGuy-eb8li
      @GodzillaGuy-eb8li 3 года назад

      I’m like 500 :)

    • @sik3xploit
      @sik3xploit 3 года назад +1

      It's pretty confusing since there are some pretty solid arguments for both sides I think. One being the US didn't accomplish it's war goals, while on the other side the UK had paid the US reparations for it. That kind of means nobody really won and there were only losers.

  • @MrPenguinFingers
    @MrPenguinFingers 3 года назад +972

    “The battle of Lake Erie ends with Commodore Perry dead”
    Still-Sequestered Japan: neat

    • @RevengeOfTheKaizer
      @RevengeOfTheKaizer 3 года назад +82

      Different Perry.

    • @MagnustheMage
      @MagnustheMage 3 года назад +94

      wrong Commodore Perry, this was Oliver Hazard Perry, Jacan-opener was Matthew Calbraith Perry

    • @Moonlitwatersofaqua
      @Moonlitwatersofaqua 3 года назад +41

      This was Matthew Perry's brother actually.

    • @akosleoszilagyi2529
      @akosleoszilagyi2529 3 года назад +9

      Which Perry played Chandler Bing? :-D

    • @LLT8
      @LLT8 3 года назад +1

      @@akosleoszilagyi2529 nice

  • @mieszkothemigrantmercenary2808
    @mieszkothemigrantmercenary2808 3 года назад +3

    Something about your videos always gets me...
    What could have been but never will, what might have been better, had the Archduke never been shot or had Woodrow Wilson never gained power. Keep up the good work!

  • @zakattack8624
    @zakattack8624 3 года назад +11

    My 6th great grandfather fought in the War of 1812. I believe he volunteered in the North Carolina Militia. I would have to recheck my notes. After the war, he was given farm land as a pension award. The pension wasn't a think until the late 1800s, but he was given several acres of land for volunteering.

  • @adamestes5227
    @adamestes5227 3 года назад +1666

    I would like to a scenario about US history without a Jackson presidency.

    • @warlordofbritannia
      @warlordofbritannia 3 года назад +249

      We all would bro
      Here’s my fanfic: Based President John Quincy Adams is elected to a record five terms, during which he enacts women’s suffrage, gets slavery abolished, doesn’t commit genocide, and ascends to the heavens at the ripe old age of 103
      He is posthumously declared as having the most big-dick energy in American history and unofficially deified
      Then everyone clapped

    • @jmns9595
      @jmns9595 3 года назад +95

      The good timeline

    • @Minong_Manitou_Mishepeshu
      @Minong_Manitou_Mishepeshu 3 года назад +31

      Better Jackson than Obama.

    • @Edax_Royeaux
      @Edax_Royeaux 3 года назад +112

      I would prefer a scenario about US history with Teddy Roosevelt as President during WWI.

    • @daviddouglass3606
      @daviddouglass3606 3 года назад +167

      @@Minong_Manitou_Mishepeshu That is a thing you said openly on the internet for everyone to read.

  • @sik3xploit
    @sik3xploit 3 года назад +708

    This war was like an itch on the back of UK that they didn't want to deal with, since they had Napoleon to deal with. So they just literally paid it to make it go away.

    • @whodareswins486
      @whodareswins486 3 года назад +14

      @Oritra Kar and everyone knows we did

    • @sik3xploit
      @sik3xploit 3 года назад +34

      @Oritra Kar Sure, the UK did it's duties, but they probably didn't really want to. This is why this is a war nobody really understands too well. It was after that war that hostilities between the US and the UK ended. Basically "let's be nice with that new country so we don't have to do that anymore".
      I think people are too simple minded on the subject of war, because they just comprehend the idea that if there was no border expansion then it was a failure. Kind of like Viet Nam. It was a defensive war for the southern area, but of course American didn't conquer anything so it was a loss... right? So simple minded.

    • @derekludwig3945
      @derekludwig3945 3 года назад +40

      @@sik3xploit seeing as South Vietnam ended up being pretty brutally annexed, it was an actual failure and defeat as a defensive war, not merely perceived as a defeat by the public. Korea would be a better illustration and might be what you meant. I agree with the point you're making, though.

    • @elias_xp95
      @elias_xp95 3 года назад +28

      America is just Britain with an attitude and a heavy dose of narcissism. Their constitution was written using British enlightenment philosophy.

    • @sik3xploit
      @sik3xploit 3 года назад +15

      @@elias_xp95 lol it was one of the congressmen back then that said "We didn't make anything new, we just took the best of what's already made". And yes, very much like British philosophy. It's why it was designed as "constitutional", but instead of a monarchy it was made a republic.

  • @mathieugariepy2948
    @mathieugariepy2948 3 года назад +1

    Good work. Both scenarios are very believable.

  • @oliversherman2414
    @oliversherman2414 2 года назад +1

    I love your channel keep up the great stuff!

  • @mcbabwe4977
    @mcbabwe4977 3 года назад +57

    Cody: *What if Anyone Won the War of 1812?*
    Canada: *What do you mean "What if"?*

    • @mikaelleonbriones6356
      @mikaelleonbriones6356 3 года назад +4

      What if is Cody's signature description for an event that could have happened but didn't

    • @elias_xp95
      @elias_xp95 3 года назад +2

      You can't be too mean, Cody is American, it's hard for him to see things objectively.

  • @KommandoLando
    @KommandoLando 3 года назад +157

    Here again to say I adore seeing Cody's avatar wearing apparel appropriate to the subject matter

  • @RedneckRapture
    @RedneckRapture 3 года назад +24

    Something not mentioned, a US that has Canada as part of it would be very easily resource independent, as Canada has a great amount of resource wealth, some of it what the US has in smaller amounts and has to import. A US with Canada in it would be able to essentially live on its own without any trade with the outside world.

    • @macsenplays
      @macsenplays 2 года назад +1

      We could be resource-independent now if not for bureaucracy.

    • @GarfieldEnjoyer1878
      @GarfieldEnjoyer1878 2 года назад

      @@macsenplays Hahahahahahaha

    • @vedsingh-bp2ke
      @vedsingh-bp2ke Год назад

      ​@@macsenplays you are resource independent my guy. Food, oil, metals. You got it all.

  • @ozziradar9841
    @ozziradar9841 3 года назад +145

    I always love how people say Canada was a part of the war of 1812. Seeing as how Canada wasn’t formed until 1867 it’s quite an impressive feat to fight in a war 50 years before forming your country.

    • @SteventheOrigin
      @SteventheOrigin 3 года назад +27

      If it makes them feel better about themselves. Just let them have their moment

    • @cringefairy2687
      @cringefairy2687 2 года назад +20

      What a bore you are. Just because the colonies weren't yet united into a single state doesn't mean they couldn't perfectly reasonably collectively be called "Canada".

    • @robertrichard6107
      @robertrichard6107 2 года назад +1

      John Jacob Astor had already started setting up fur trading in present day Eastern Washington, I think Rupertland was actually larger then he showed, and Quebec but it was a 1763 thing.

    • @TheLesterino
      @TheLesterino 2 года назад +1

      @@cringefairy2687 but they didn't call it that.

    • @cringefairy2687
      @cringefairy2687 2 года назад +1

      @@TheLesterino So what?

  • @northstar1727
    @northstar1727 3 года назад +345

    The British: wait there was a war in 1812?
    these words brought to you by a British friend

  • @ZontarDow
    @ZontarDow 3 года назад +444

    "What if the War of 1812 was won by someone"
    *Canadia Stops*

    • @eternal5930
      @eternal5930 3 года назад +45

      Ah yes, Canadia

    • @mrbloodhound009
      @mrbloodhound009 3 года назад +29

      I, too, love adding extra vowoels to words.

    • @liammcshane7985
      @liammcshane7985 3 года назад +19

      They got their capitol (York) burned by American troops and the real fighting was done by British soldiers sent from the Spanish theater, Canada did jack shit in the war.

    • @ZontarDow
      @ZontarDow 3 года назад +28

      @@liammcshane7985 ah another person who slept through history class I see

    • @liammcshane7985
      @liammcshane7985 3 года назад +9

      Zontar Likewise, what? Are you from Canada where they teach you that nonsense drivel? Must suck being Canadian, at least the Yanks have got their Revolution and moon landings, we have our Empire, and you well, you have your hand carried by us British and your greatest national identity moment was carried and won by us. Terribly sorry but your history is frankly worthless.

  • @noid984
    @noid984 Год назад +4

    1:48 The Era of Negative Feelings

  • @Xero328
    @Xero328 Год назад +1

    Oh and the one about little turtle too. That one was awesome and probably my favorite

  • @ComicalRealm
    @ComicalRealm 3 года назад +584

    UK: *burns Washington DC*
    US: "Alright, we'll call it a draw"

    • @groofay
      @groofay 3 года назад +67

      UK: "What are you going to do, bleed on me?"
      US: "I'M INVINCIBLE!!!"

    • @Jjb-gk4ce
      @Jjb-gk4ce 3 года назад +23

      US: destroys the Bri’ish at New Orleans
      UK: “we totally won that”

    • @stefvanderstraeten8921
      @stefvanderstraeten8921 3 года назад +49

      @@Jjb-gk4ce dude you won one battle? Burning your enemy's Capitol > winning one battle lmao

    • @FelipeJaquez
      @FelipeJaquez 3 года назад +12

      @@stefvanderstraeten8921 Battle of York, entire Canadian capital turned to ash

    • @jackozbloke5079
      @jackozbloke5079 3 года назад +26

      @@Jjb-gk4ce The British overall killed more, the battle was fought after the treaty, before the battle concluded they had thousands of more dead Americans compared to British troops, they basically stomped on them while not caring.

  • @siv5122
    @siv5122 3 года назад +1570

    *Britain burns down Whitehouse*
    Canada: You did this?
    *Britain Nods*
    *Britain goes to New Orleans*
    Canada: **I did this**
    *Edit*: Thanks for the likes guys!

    • @nekkerscam
      @nekkerscam 3 года назад +23

      Most Canadians don’t take responsibility for burning the White House probably because we want to keep our good image

    • @happinessinc7371
      @happinessinc7371 3 года назад +119

      @@nekkerscam what do you mean I tell Americans we burnt the White House down all the time, it gives us something to brag about, just don’t tell them I said that

    • @arachnofiend2859
      @arachnofiend2859 3 года назад +126

      @@nekkerscam Every Canadian I know brings up burning down the White House eventually lol

    • @Hatbot-vn4py
      @Hatbot-vn4py 3 года назад +30

      Well technically all the troops who burned it down we're from the Canadian colonies
      . Just to Let everyone know I'm f****** with everyone

    • @thejason755
      @thejason755 3 года назад +20

      @@nekkerscam speak for your self, and we’ll fucking do it again

  • @marleegould542
    @marleegould542 2 года назад +3

    Ancestry is a great resource! I found out that some of my direct ancestors, with the last name Haddock, where English Naval commanders during the First Anglo-Dutch War, many of them became Admirals and one was also Comptroller of the Navy. ^-^

  • @MacAttackCobra77
    @MacAttackCobra77 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for making this. The historical context alone made me almost laughs and choke on my own spit the point. 👌

  • @sebastianrosa7935
    @sebastianrosa7935 3 года назад +366

    Cody: "If the US won, they might've annexed all of Canada."
    JJ McCullough: *Sweats nervously*

    • @henriquemelchiorgomes8750
      @henriquemelchiorgomes8750 3 года назад +31

      @Kai Sullivan everything west of Ontario would be easily assimilated

    • @theawkwardskeleton6608
      @theawkwardskeleton6608 3 года назад +38

      THE UNITED NORTH AMERICAN STATES

    • @sebastianrosa7935
      @sebastianrosa7935 3 года назад +22

      @Kai Sullivan I might've worded that wrong, I meant he would sweat nervously like, "Oh, tell me more."

    • @senorGGG
      @senorGGG 3 года назад +1

      lol

    • @unclesam5230
      @unclesam5230 3 года назад +15

      Now imagine if the USA Conquered Canada Mexico Central America the Caribbean Greenland keeps Liberia and the Philippines that’s what all of the USA’s territorial ambitions combined was

  • @seangallagher8628
    @seangallagher8628 3 года назад +1345

    I'm Canadian and I found your point about Canadian identity fading in a US-owned Canada interesting. Canadian culture itself has changed and adapted through the decades. Seventy years ago, british loyalist sentiment was still strong. There was even major national debate over changing the flag from our previous colonial red ensign to the maple leaf. Since then, loyalist sentiment has dwindled. You see it here and there but it comes across more as a special interest group than much else. This is for similar reasons mentioned in the video. Non-british decendants from just about everywhere have now out populated the ethnically British Canadians, and our culture has changed. Some things remain, such as national holidays like Victoria Day, but the majority of Canadians aren't screaming for a return to the "glory days" of the British Empire. Thanks for the video.

    • @guacre2675
      @guacre2675 3 года назад +77

      Well, "Canadian culture" (other than Quebec) isn't different from American culture in general (er, North American culture tbh). True, there are obviously differences between the two in things like government or a few Canadian TV shows. But virtually everything else is, in fact, the same (which most Americans don't even realize, and Canadians seem to reject the idea of)
      ~more on a second comment~

    • @guacre2675
      @guacre2675 3 года назад +56

      Ultimately, things like food, language, lifestyle, history, a lot of the history, etc. are nearly the same (again, except for Quebec). Even (from my experiences with South Africans) South Africans acknowledge the fact that their culture is heavily influenced by/largely taken from the USA--and they live... well, pretty far.

    • @siukong
      @siukong 3 года назад +78

      @@guacre2675 I think "virtually everything else is the same" is definitely overstating it, and in many ways Canadian culture is still a hybrid of British and American (tilted more towards American, to be sure, but definitely not identical to it 'apart from government and a few TV shows'). Certainly linguistically it's pretty indisputable that there are quite a few key differences between Canadian and American English (with Canadian English having many holdovers from British English as well as plenty of its own idiosyncrasies). And if we're talking about things like temperament, national character, or whatever nebulous labels for these concepts you want to use, it's hard to quantify specifically but IMO there are definitely important distinctions we can make between the two countries. The stereotypes like 'the individualistic American' and 'the apologetic Canadian" exist for a reason because there is some truth to them, and even though, as Sean said, many of the differences are slowly fading away as time passes, I think they're still widespread enough to be noteworthy. Even among relatively recent arrivals. They may not have the same ethnic heritage, but they - and especially their children - adopt many of the same attitudes and values.

    • @guacre2675
      @guacre2675 3 года назад +23

      @@siukong 1) The language is just absurd. Spelling differences can hardly be called culture. That's way, way, way too specific. Culture is about lifestyle (hobbies, religion, food, language (not spelling differences--I mean the fact that we both speak English), values/mannerisms, etc). 2) Stereotypes are not culture either. Canadians don't say they have DIFFERENT values/ways of showing respect, manners, etc. So even if the stereotype is true of them being better at sticking with their values, they still have the same values.

    • @guacre2675
      @guacre2675 3 года назад +8

      Also, "national character" is not only almost impossible to quantity, it doesn't mean anything to common folk. A nation is not made of ridiculous top-down ideas like that, but a nation is made up of the people who live there and their finer details like culture.

  • @MissSeaShell
    @MissSeaShell 2 года назад +2

    My 5th great grandpa fought in the war of 1812 as well. Captain Benjamin Arliss Napier, who is in a famous painting from the war along with his schooner. After the war he and two escaped slaves became pirates together. I don't know much else, other than the inhabitants of kelleys Island told their kids spooky bedtime stories about him & his crew, and he was eventually pardoned.

  • @ignarskjolvjentski7809
    @ignarskjolvjentski7809 2 года назад +20

    It’s funny because as an American growing up in Ruralville U.S.A., schools always taught the war of 1812 as an unprovoked British invasion that was a direct result of the Revolutionary War that we ultimately won.

    • @flyinghigh2724
      @flyinghigh2724 5 месяцев назад

      No? Americans teaching inaccurate Americanised alternative reality? The British won the war of 1812 the Americans sued for peace after failing in most their objectives with the British literally securing every last one of there's.

  • @domino_201
    @domino_201 3 года назад +266

    I can hear the aggressive typing by Canadians from here.

    • @BlitzerXYZ
      @BlitzerXYZ 3 года назад +46

      Sorry about that. I'll try to keep it down. Have a good day. enjoy the weather eh

    • @michaelsoland3293
      @michaelsoland3293 3 года назад +5

      There’s so many of them around here pissed about it

    • @jacksauce
      @jacksauce 3 года назад +7

      Just a friendly American imperialist stopping by to say hello

    • @domino_201
      @domino_201 3 года назад +12

      @@jacksauce Hey there! Wanna go rob someone of their oil?

    • @domino_201
      @domino_201 3 года назад +2

      @@michaelsoland3293 happens. Patriotism and all

  • @jgr7487
    @jgr7487 3 года назад +91

    the rest of the world besides the US & Canada: "which war?"

    • @Ditidos
      @Ditidos 3 года назад +13

      As a spaniard, if someone said the war of 1812, everyone would think of our War of Independence, which is kinda a weird name. But we have to get creative when naming our civil wars...

    • @jgr7487
      @jgr7487 3 года назад +4

      @@Ditidos Mexico declared independence declaring allegiance to the House of Borbón, so, yeah, it was a Spaniard independence from Napoleonic France.

    • @Salty-Doggy
      @Salty-Doggy 3 года назад +5

      Well considering the Napoleonic war was going on in the beginning of it yeah they probably didn't even know a war was happening in North America.
      Hell most people in America don't even know how many wars are going on around the world today.

    • @elharvey5032
      @elharvey5032 3 года назад +8

      Europe: Napoleonic Wars?
      Latin America: War of independence?

    • @Ditidos
      @Ditidos 3 года назад +1

      @@jgr7487 Yeah, but I mean the one we had on the Iberian Peninsula. After all, Napoleon's brother got the throne completely legaly, it was a weird thing.
      And in retrospective, it might have been better to let Spain in the hands of Napoleon's brother...
      Unless you mean Mexican independence war was the same one, in that case the name has much more sense.

  • @jordanandrew2786
    @jordanandrew2786 3 года назад +1

    the cover of I Vow to Thee My Country on violin in the background is pretty cool.

  • @scottlang7271
    @scottlang7271 3 года назад +8

    A really interesting video, thank you. I'm Australian, so it's cool to see this stuff from an outsider's perspective.
    I'm actually glad that things are the way they are, but the flow-on effects of either alternate scenario presented are interesting. In terms of an American "win", I'm not so sure it would be so simple. If the British more or less left Canada to its own devices, then I think American soldiers would be needed to suppress Canadian loyalists for decades afterwards. Canada is a HUGE landmass, and I can easily see both the troops being discouraged by ongoing terrorism, and the effort required costing far too much. I think that sooner or later, the Americans would sue for peace, and leave of their own accord. This might result in a smaller, and differently shaped Canada than the one we have now, depending upon which battles were won where. For a start, what if Canadian loyalists withdrew from the east, but decided to settle throughout the Great Plains - or to settle the western seaboard en masse? And/or allied with the Native Americans in various places?
    Likewise, culture works in both directions. If people were flowing into both nations from Europe and elsewhere, what would happen if people decided they liked the direction Canada was heading in (less Empire-based, and more independent), rather than the USA. Could some of the border States actually be settled as, or become, Canadian, in part because they were sick of being ruled by Washington, and/or in part because they were sick of having soldiers around the place all the time?
    Finally, the impact of having Canadian numbers added to the American Civil War would presumably shift the balance there somewhat too.

  • @The-Plaguefellow
    @The-Plaguefellow 3 года назад +329

    "Solomon Cauldren"
    Sounds like a _Harry Potter_ name.

  • @kchishol1970
    @kchishol1970 3 года назад +1799

    As a Canadian, I am certainly not angry at the alternate history of us being conquered. However, there is a sense of relief that in real life we got to choose to be different.

    • @saberwing753
      @saberwing753 3 года назад +47

      I have a friend from “Trois-rivière?” And he says he’d rather be a US state. Is he the one Canadian that likes America ?

    • @guacre2675
      @guacre2675 3 года назад +82

      @@saberwing753 I'm an American, so I'm not reallyyyyy too sure. But I think there's something of a sub-culture (mostly in western Canada, particularly Alberta) of secret pro-Americans

    • @thepurplepanda4
      @thepurplepanda4 3 года назад +133

      @@guacre2675 in Alberta it's not really secret, half of us hate the idea of being American and half of us already believe they live there.
      ...somehow...

    • @guacre2675
      @guacre2675 3 года назад +30

      @@thepurplepanda4 Well, to the second half, I say welcome to an identical country

    • @dinoboyoutuification
      @dinoboyoutuification 3 года назад +3

      For now.

  • @kouper9635
    @kouper9635 3 года назад

    I love when I find a new channel to binge

  • @ThePikminCaptain
    @ThePikminCaptain Год назад +5

    We Sacked Toronto They Sacked Washington so it’s a tie in normal timeline

  • @joemiller947
    @joemiller947 3 года назад +191

    "What if the War of 1812 was won by uhhh.... hmm.."
    AlternateHistoryHub: say no more fam

  • @virhonestus8921
    @virhonestus8921 3 года назад +203

    "Alberta might as well be an American State" Yep as an Albertian we are hugely influenced by American culture, specifically Texas whom we feel the most comradery with.

    • @seandonahue4469
      @seandonahue4469 3 года назад +34

      Join us

    • @virhonestus8921
      @virhonestus8921 3 года назад +31

      @@seandonahue4469 Not going to lie Texas’s second Amendment stance makes that offer tempting

    • @elharvey5032
      @elharvey5032 3 года назад +5

      Except Alberta has more common sense and is colder

    • @PolicyofIllusion
      @PolicyofIllusion 3 года назад +40

      @@elharvey5032 Spoken like someone who doesn't live here!

    • @mokspr
      @mokspr 3 года назад +2

      @@elharvey5032 and we still couldn't get a pipeline down to the refineries around Texas City.

  • @JamesRednok
    @JamesRednok 3 года назад

    I love the music in this. I wish you'd post where you found them.

  • @blackdimond115
    @blackdimond115 3 года назад

    The “I vow to thee my country” music was a very nice touch

  • @imaynothaveabrain7570
    @imaynothaveabrain7570 3 года назад +100

    Fun Fact: Canada actual annexed all of ameri-
    Hey who are you? What are you doing with that gu-

  • @ciqme
    @ciqme 3 года назад +290

    Video idea: What if the native Americans somehow had immunity to all the European diseases before they came into contact with each other? I don't know how this would work, but I figured it could be cool.

    • @ktoth29
      @ktoth29 3 года назад +59

      I think there is a case that the Vikings were unable to establish a permanent settlement in America because the native population was more robust and confrontational at that time, but there was a major population collapse about 100 years before European settlement, so you had a lot of weak and fractured tribes that couldn't organize a resistance to british colonies.

    • @Gyrono
      @Gyrono 2 года назад +44

      I think that would occur if the Vinland settlements had survived, they would have brought alot of those diseases over much earlier, giving natives more time to recover from the exchange, but the Columbian Exchange was going to happen one way or another

    • @SeruraRenge11
      @SeruraRenge11 2 года назад +14

      The thing is, I don't know if ultimately anything would've changed, just our pace of expansion would've slowed down. Disease isn't what let Spain conquer Central and South America, it was using the hatred of the tribes for each other to their advantage (and in the case of Pizarro, he showed up in Peru right at the exact perfect time because there was a complete political shitshow going on in the Inca Empire that made them unable to focus on him). One of the big reasons the American Indian tribes failed to stop us is in no small part because they couldn't stop fighting each other long enough to form a united front. The Little Bighorn wasn't notable just because we lost but also because it was a rare time that several tribes teamed up like that.

    •  Год назад +1

      @@SeruraRenge11 you said american indian do you mean indigenous peoples

    • @SeruraRenge11
      @SeruraRenge11 Год назад +12

      @ The American Indian Movement saw pejorative connotations in the term native and reappropriated the term Indian in the 1990s, to the point that most of them preferred calling themselves American Indians over Native Americans. Russell Means, an Oglala Lakota activist, opposed the term Native American because he believed it was imposed by the government without the consent of Native people. He has also argued that the use of the word Indian derives not from a confusion with India but from a Spanish expression en Dios meaning "in God".

  • @Unova39
    @Unova39 2 года назад +1

    As someone who lives on Mackinac Island and talks about the war every day for work, I love ripping it apart.

  • @youcantescapethegarf5744
    @youcantescapethegarf5744 3 года назад +5

    I didn’t even notice that my video changed and I was thinking “ this isn’t ancient aliens”

  • @GenericCommenter-by4zi
    @GenericCommenter-by4zi 3 года назад +91

    All I remember about this is that I had to do class work on it back in middle school

  • @scipiocentury2509
    @scipiocentury2509 3 года назад +237

    "This is going to be short." Proceeds to continue on for a solid 17 minutes

    • @caboose.20
      @caboose.20 2 года назад

      Good reading comprehension

  • @Dill_dude9211
    @Dill_dude9211 2 года назад

    this is an amazing video. it was fun to see canada as a part of this war in a video on the war of 1812

  • @williek08472
    @williek08472 9 месяцев назад

    I recently took a trip to Mammoth Cave, Kentucky. During the War of 1812, the cave was used to mine gunpowder, and after the war ended the equipment was abandoned and remains there to this day.

  • @nunyabeezaxe2030
    @nunyabeezaxe2030 3 года назад +202

    "Alberta might as well be an American state."
    I have talked to Albertans and US statehood has floated around.

    • @nunyabeezaxe2030
      @nunyabeezaxe2030 3 года назад +3

      @Robert Ortiz-Wilson
      With DC possibly becoming a new state I too think more so it should

    • @eitantour8059
      @eitantour8059 3 года назад +21

      maybe all of canada can join the US as well..
      JKJK
      -unless-

    • @prestonjones1653
      @prestonjones1653 3 года назад +4

      Saskatchewan considered it too, depending on how the last Quebecois referendum turned out.

    • @owenplourde3934
      @owenplourde3934 2 года назад +6

      @@prestonjones1653 almost all of Canada debated it. But the thing is, it wouldn’t work. Even though Alberta and Saskatchewan pretend they’re different. They still have strong Canadian pride. They wouldn’t vote to leave, just to replace the government.

    • @hotsaucejosh8982
      @hotsaucejosh8982 2 года назад +5

      @@owenplourde3934 although the government fucking sucks you’re right, here in Alberta there’s nothing we love more then Canada.

  • @christopheranzovinio5893
    @christopheranzovinio5893 3 года назад +63

    20-30 years from now, I foresee your kid(s) explain the alternate history "What if 2020 Wasn't a Hand-cupped Fart in the Wind?"

    • @joaobaptista320
      @joaobaptista320 3 года назад +2

      "What if Coronavirus didn't happened?"
      "Well, first of all i think Covid wasn't such an important event in our history. It wouldn't stop the US intervention in the Midlee east, nor the russian anexation of Ukraine. If we see it by a modern view, we would realise it wasn't even that deadly, it's not like the world stopped work-"
      "NO"

  • @bugfighter5949
    @bugfighter5949 2 года назад +3

    12:05 this is what's happening right now in Quebec, immigrants think they're immigrating to Canada, not Quebec, and therefore take no care to integrate themselves or be respectful of local culture. As the local culture disappears and is forgotten, the children of those who once were Quebecois are ashamed of their francophone roots and take all possible precautions to assert themselves as from the far sexier culture, that of the wasp.

  • @jamdonut4444
    @jamdonut4444 2 года назад +2

    0:06 if you're looking for the song just look up rescue Girl theme and it should come up

  • @fullmetaltheorist
    @fullmetaltheorist 3 года назад +271

    The only people that lost this war were the native Americans.

    • @MagnustheMage
      @MagnustheMage 3 года назад +2

      Didn't he literally say something like that in the video already?

    • @baker7280
      @baker7280 3 года назад +6

      @@MagnustheMage people quote the video everyone just watched all the time. It’s annoying

    • @totaldan99
      @totaldan99 3 года назад +13

      @@baker7280 I mean we ain't exactly looking for introspective pieces of art in here. If people want to quote their favorite part of the video, that lets others comment under that quote and expand on that topic. This has the same energy as getting mad at someone for quoting a book line in a book club. Like bro, come off a little

    • @baker7280
      @baker7280 3 года назад

      @@totaldan99 you go to book clubs often?

    • @totaldan99
      @totaldan99 3 года назад +3

      @@baker7280 I mean my gf does, i just go when i got nothing better to do tbh

  • @mindwars101
    @mindwars101 3 года назад +386

    "Canada still talks about burning the White House to this day"
    As a Canadian can confirm.
    Sorry about that.

    • @DocuNamics
      @DocuNamics 3 года назад +51

      To be fair we did burn your capital to the ground first so it’s all good. 👍

    • @neofulcrum5013
      @neofulcrum5013 3 года назад +4

      It’s not like we can’t rebuild

    • @liamh2255
      @liamh2255 3 года назад +30

      @@DocuNamics well; Although the explosion of the powder keg of York did explode, it was not intended; it initiated Admiral Ross in Bermuda to burn DC; and DC was a capital federally, when York was one of several colonial capitals at war with the USA, having their federal government in London (which was not burned during this war)
      :)

    • @amessisgray8034
      @amessisgray8034 3 года назад +22

      I mean fair. Who wouldn’t flex that your country burned the capitol of the worlds strongest super power.

    • @savageantelope3306
      @savageantelope3306 3 года назад

      your righ

  • @kingofthefleetians7569
    @kingofthefleetians7569 Год назад +4

    Considering a big part of the US wanting to go to war was the British protecting the natives the US was fighting, so considering they got the British and natives out if the Midwest I'd say the US won

  • @NightmareForge
    @NightmareForge 2 года назад +6

    Overall I view it as a net benefit for the US, the removal of the western British forts, great lakes, and loss of support for the natives was a big part of it as well. Not just the other policies, taking Canada was wishful thinking that got tacked on by hawks in the end. Where you say British victory would slow down expansion, 1812 even as it was sped up westward expansion. I don't view the war as any kind of grand victory, or one that even had to happen. And a good example of politics running amok versus the realities of what could or should be done.
    Far less talked about.. but it also removed the idea in the British empire's general policy of trying to muck with or slow down the US in its own territory. Rather at that point strategists in Britain shifted to just trying to maintain their own territory. Especially later as US expansion gave very real fears of them looking north at any given point.
    So strangely enough I view the war as an overall net gain for the US. Since overall the ramifications in the west and great lakes sped up westward expansion compared to if the British had continued support for the natives and maintained forts. Especially after they were no longer distracted by Napoleon with more free hands, more money, and any later conflicts possibly being worse for the US.
    And yet for the UK, it really was overall a nonissue to the greater empire at that point. So no real loss, but definitely a shift in policy.

  • @rfij3268
    @rfij3268 3 года назад +245

    Dude i feel like this war of 1812 is such a Monty Python situation, i mean;
    Bristish and Canadians Troops: *Burned Washington to the ground*
    The US somehow: "Tis but a scratch"

    • @InnerDness
      @InnerDness 3 года назад +32

      Because it was a one day coastal raid. It's not like a city made of wood is somehow fire resistant due to it's political importance. Did a cow win a strategic victory because it burned Chicago? They lit a cheeky fire a fucked right off

    • @gregjones4705
      @gregjones4705 3 года назад +19

      I mean we burned down the capital of Upper Canada so it is pretty even

    • @hs5312
      @hs5312 3 года назад +9

      First Canada wasn’t a country, if you asked people from Canada at the time what they considered themselves they would say British.

    • @russianhat7725
      @russianhat7725 3 года назад +1

      Oh montey

    • @MyUsersDark
      @MyUsersDark 3 года назад +9

      Meanwhile:
      Crusaders: *burn constantinople*
      Byzantium: *fucking dies*

  • @bl9194
    @bl9194 3 года назад +191

    “You are either angry or hate this.”
    Not really no one would even had remembered the idea of “Canada” so really we would just be Americans. :/

    • @kingstarscream320
      @kingstarscream320 3 года назад +30

      The Quebeckers would have. They had been calling themselves canadiens for over a 100 years before confederation.

    • @crowpotking1100
      @crowpotking1100 3 года назад +12

      Maybe we could've been North Americans instead of Americans. That would've been nice.

    • @guacre2675
      @guacre2675 3 года назад +5

      @@crowpotking1100 You mean to say there's a second, southern America? What the fuck is that garbage?

    • @bobwinters5572
      @bobwinters5572 3 года назад +4

      @@kingstarscream320 I'm also a bit amused that his "US wins" scenario has Americans moving to 19th century Quebec and out-populating the locals. The high local birth rate and ready access to warmer, more productive land in other parts of NA meant that Quebec was more a source of migrants -- both those born in Quebec and those just stopping there on the way to somewhere better -- than a magnet for migrants.

    • @alexanderrobins7497
      @alexanderrobins7497 3 года назад +1

      @@kingstarscream320
      Doesn’t Quebec also like to keep talking about how they are going to secede but never do, like a Canadian Texas?

  • @FrostMaster9
    @FrostMaster9 2 года назад

    For anyone wondering what song is used in the first 10 seconds, it’s called Rescue Girl, from Mighty Switch Force 2.

  • @JosephKeenanisme
    @JosephKeenanisme 3 года назад +1

    Next spring/summer I so have to hit the 1812 sites on this side of Lake Erie. Lots of good stuff between Cleveland and Niagara.

  • @ryanprosper88
    @ryanprosper88 3 года назад +132

    I'm Canadian and I find this scenario very interesting. A giant continent spanning free country that rivals the size of Russia. America would be even more powerful and rich. I think the Western Canadian provinces would be richer as well, including the North. I wonder if my grandparents would have moved here, my grandfather was thinking of moving to South Africa in the 50's.

    • @that_deadeyegamer7920
      @that_deadeyegamer7920 Год назад

      Be very lucky he didn't, South Africa is a racist cesspool now and days, and not good ol' American racism that you're used to

    • @hex1233
      @hex1233 Год назад +3

      Too much land and people. America already can't manage what land they have. Northern Canada would probably be poorer. Or the same.

    • @thedapperdolphin1590
      @thedapperdolphin1590 Год назад +27

      @@hex1233 it’s really not. Most of Canada’s population is already close to the border. And the state of California has more people than the entirety of Canada. It would manage

    • @youarewrong5523
      @youarewrong5523 Год назад +19

      @@hex1233tell me you know nothing about what you’re talking about, without directly telling me

    • @tremedar
      @tremedar Год назад

      Though there would be a fair chance Russia never sells Alaska to the US, as a big part of that sale was to prevent the British from simply seizing it in a war, and selling it at least generates some cash from the territory. With no British presence in North America, they may hold onto it long enough to find the oil and mineral riches it holds. Or they may decide it's not worth the trouble to explore it all and sell it anyway, they have wars to prepare for afterall, can't waste time and money on what seems to be a vast expanse of snow and pine trees.

  • @heresyhunter4100
    @heresyhunter4100 3 года назад +63

    As a child, I thought the 1812 Overture was about the War of 1812

    • @wehatetimmy
      @wehatetimmy 3 года назад +1

      It isnt?

    • @eldorados_lost_searcher
      @eldorados_lost_searcher 3 года назад +25

      @@wehatetimmy
      Napoleon's invasion of Russia.

    • @nathaniellindner313
      @nathaniellindner313 3 года назад +8

      Yep, Americans only like it because it's good music to blow things up to. Literally, it's fireworks music and we as Americans can just gloss over that whole stuff about autocracy saving Russia from the ravages of republican ideas because things are exploding big and pretty in the sky.
      This is, of course, why America is #1.

    • @nunyabeezaxe2030
      @nunyabeezaxe2030 3 года назад

      As a kind, as some people should note. We don't know until we get older and look it up. Also it does not in fact happen as often as some Europeans like to make it out to be, but most Americans, at least adult Americans, do not think it's about the War of 1812. We already know Tchaikovsky is a Russian name and that the style of 1812 Overture is distinctly Russian.

    • @nunyabeezaxe2030
      @nunyabeezaxe2030 3 года назад +1

      ​@@nathaniellindner313
      Or Americans like it because Americans also like classical music. As for Americans liking that sight of pretty exploding stuff in the sky because we have simple, unrefined brains when it comes to proper culture. Have you seen the metal and techo, trance, dance scene in Europe? Have you seen the the firework displays and the light shows of those concerts? It's huge over there, and is bigger there than it is here.

  • @Xero328
    @Xero328 Год назад

    If I had to guess, I have watched each of Cody’s videos a dozen times each. But THIS one the most by a large margin. Forty plus.

  • @thepropagandastudiosbrigs0927
    @thepropagandastudiosbrigs0927 3 года назад +2

    Alternate History: makes 1812 video
    Canada and U.S.A. : Insta Tiggered

  • @augustokonrad3572
    @augustokonrad3572 3 года назад +198

    The War of 1812: the one that the Americans think they won, the Canadians think they won and the British forgot they won

    • @Hunter-ww9rd
      @Hunter-ww9rd 3 года назад +18

      The one the British don't care about, because waterloo

    • @A2pattingPod042
      @A2pattingPod042 3 года назад +7

      Eh we brits haven't really forgotten it. Just not talked about. We do learn it in a very oversimplified way when Learning about napoleonic wars.

    • @KFP_Prophet
      @KFP_Prophet 3 года назад +6

      @@A2pattingPod042 Most non-history interested peeps don't know of it. Heck i'm pretty into history and even I only really know about the burning of the whitehouse part. It's generally just remembered as the time we dabbed on those yankee traitors.

    • @TheIceman567
      @TheIceman567 3 года назад +5

      British didn’t win. As the video states.

    • @GG-ir1hw
      @GG-ir1hw 3 года назад +28

      @@TheIceman567 Hmm Idk about that one. Here I’ll state it like this, America’s war aims: Stop Impressment and arms sales to Indians, to be achieved through the conquest of Canada the only thing the US can actually do to hurt the UK. So their political objectives are made irrelevant almost instantly because news arrives from the UK that Britain has decided to stop those things (but the news was delayed). Now the Americans could simply call it quits... but no they want their military objective of taking Canada, but now Canada is thee only reason for the USAs war. So America’s war objective is take Canada... did they succeed? No. Britain’s war objectives: None we just got war declared on us. What does the UK want to do? It wants to focus on winning the French who are 10 times the threat. So what do they do about the USA? Answer their aims are simply hold on to Canada and to end this stupid side show as quickly as possible so they can finish off Napoleon. Did they succeed? Yes.
      So what were the peace terms? Status quo... what was the geo strategic situation when the treaty was signed (to the best knowledge of the diplomats)? The situation was the American invasions of Canada had failed the UK had raided the US coast, and the battle of New Orleans hadn’t happened yet and neither side new about it happening because it hadn’t actually occurred when the deal was made (the most decisive battle for the US in the war had zero impact on the peace treaty). As far as those diplomats were concerned the Americans had failed to take on the colonies of Canada backed by the small North American squadron, while Britain had been primarily focused on a continental war against Napoleons empire. Now Napoleon was gone Europe was at peace and Britain could now send reinforcements to North America en mass if it so wished. If it wanted to it could finish the job.
      So to reiterate America’s apparent justification for declaring war was made redundant, so the sole focus became taking Canada, which they then hopelessly failed to do. Britain’s war objective boiled down to: Just peace out and don’t lose Canada and if there’s time bonk America for trying to take it. Yeah these war objectives tell the story really...

  • @HylianJayAppears
    @HylianJayAppears 3 года назад +51

    "British Columbia and Washington would be 1 territory" Me: "*CASCADIA!!!*"

    • @NightmareForge
      @NightmareForge 2 года назад

      Probably not, given trends just like how they hacked the chunk of Oregon territory they got BC probably would be hacked up as well.

  • @hawkeye7O1
    @hawkeye7O1 3 года назад +1

    okay what is that "set the world aflame" song that was used in the beginning, i need it

  • @commtheguy
    @commtheguy Год назад +2

    "Jackson isn't in office'
    Happy Mexico noises.

  • @garbhanbyrne8132
    @garbhanbyrne8132 3 года назад +242

    America: yay we won the battle of new Orleans.
    Uk:destroys us capital
    America: draw

    • @RevengeOfTheKaizer
      @RevengeOfTheKaizer 3 года назад +24

      Other way around, actually.

    • @tonicsmily4513
      @tonicsmily4513 3 года назад +3

      @@RevengeOfTheKaizer fr tho

    • @whodareswins486
      @whodareswins486 3 года назад +17

      Only Americans think they "won" or they call it a draw.
      The British knew they won hence why Wellington said the war in Canada was successful

    • @Betrix5060
      @Betrix5060 3 года назад +14

      Just the white house. The rest of Washington was saved by divine intervention. That isn't much of an exaggeration since that freak storm was in fucking DC of all places, and absolutely massive.

    • @theeseus4470
      @theeseus4470 3 года назад +2

      @@whodareswins486 It's not like we burned down Toronto or anything like that. The British didn't win anything; they had to give up their claims on lands south of the 48th parallel and vacated the area. If anything, America won a political victory by proving that it could hold its own and achieved further recognition as a legitimate, sovereign state.

  • @micahistory
    @micahistory 3 года назад +40

    the fact that nobody won but everyone thought they did made the peace and friendship there is today

    • @godlovesyou1995
      @godlovesyou1995 3 года назад +1

      Ww1 had a much bigger part to play in that

    • @micahistory
      @micahistory 3 года назад +1

      @@godlovesyou1995 idk. I think the fact that everyone wasn't salty anymore helped more create the alliance in ww1

    • @pphyjynx8217
      @pphyjynx8217 3 года назад +12

      @@godlovesyou1995 the US and UK were very friendly with each other prior to WW1. WW1 just solidified their alliance as a military one

    • @nonameisopen
      @nonameisopen 3 года назад +16

      It's kind of funny how the relationship between the US and the UK is incredibly similar to the 'characters that start as enemies but become best friends after a fight' trope seen everywhere in fiction.

    • @pphyjynx8217
      @pphyjynx8217 3 года назад +14

      @@nonameisopen it's like the father and son reconciling after years apart. They both started to understand each other's position, they might not agree with it, but at least they respect it.

  • @Hamsteak
    @Hamsteak 3 года назад +1

    I'm Canadian Canada 🇨🇦and I love you content. Lol you make some good jokes too 🇨🇦🍁

  • @mattgandelman3445
    @mattgandelman3445 Год назад

    What was the name of that song with the white House on fire 😂. It made me chuckle

  • @Slayformoney
    @Slayformoney 3 года назад +26

    Last time I was this early North America still had horses

    • @Salty-Doggy
      @Salty-Doggy 3 года назад +1

      What?

    • @shawn4116
      @shawn4116 3 года назад +1

      @@Salty-Doggy Horses originally evolved in North America, then migrated to Eurasia across a passageway that formed between the two continents. The Ice age then occurred and the horses that remained in North America died off while the Eurasian horses survived.

  • @derekludwig3945
    @derekludwig3945 3 года назад +169

    As a part Potawatomi descendant and fellow 419er, I was just thinking about the Battle of Lake Erie/War of 1812 in the context of ideas for your channel just a couple weeks ago. Weird coincidence.
    TBH Perry's total victory on the lake was probably the most impactful part of the war in hindsight, as it made Fort Detroit untenable for the British and directly led to the battle that killed Tecumseh and broke his confederacy, curtailing the British ability to effectively project force directly and by proxy into what we now think of as the US side of the western and central Great Lakes region. While you're probably right that the US would've eventually driven them out anyway, a relatively major Native nation opposed to the US existing for even a couple decades with the recognition and support of a major European power could've radically changed the nature of US and Canadian conflict with the tribes of the North American interior.

    • @TheIceman567
      @TheIceman567 3 года назад +4

      I’d agree

    • @guacre2675
      @guacre2675 3 года назад +9

      I think that would have ended with a much, much, much bloodier relationship between the natives & Americans (maybe Canadians?)

    • @derekludwig3945
      @derekludwig3945 3 года назад +3

      @@guacre2675 yes, probably.

  • @Methyll
    @Methyll 3 года назад +2

    as a canadian and seeing the events thats transpiring down south for last few decades, its a sigh of relief that we are independant

    • @mr_sb
      @mr_sb 3 года назад

      That’s right. Telling by how similar you are. Anglo-Canadians would’ve been very much assimilated into the growing American population within generations after. Is basically the same thing of what happened to the Loyalists in the Southern states after independence.

  • @flatcapfiddle
    @flatcapfiddle 2 года назад

    A note on choice of music: Hearing Holst's "Jupiter" played on strings instead of brass sounds so sad and tragic. Good choice.

  • @erichtomanek4739
    @erichtomanek4739 3 года назад +109

    There is a third alternative you forgot:
    Swiss North America.
    Neutrality Rules OK!

    • @morganrobinson8042
      @morganrobinson8042 3 года назад +1

      Losing your first war with a big-boy nation is a pretty decent reason for isolationism for a while. It'll screw you long term, but I can see the appeal.

    • @idontwantmyrealnameonhere5955
      @idontwantmyrealnameonhere5955 3 года назад

      @@morganrobinson8042 American people treated the war as a win, and it boosted spirits in the nation. America basically lost though. It wasn’t what drove the US to isolationism, as soon after the US enacted the Monroe doctrine which was later enforced by the British. The war of 1812, though a “loss”, allowed for the US to gain recognition as a influential world power. I might of misunderstood your comment though.

    • @morganrobinson8042
      @morganrobinson8042 3 года назад +1

      ​@@idontwantmyrealnameonhere5955 I was saying losing their first war handily might have made the early US less sanguine on war as a whole, resulting in isolation, in this counterfactual.

    • @Chosen_Ash
      @Chosen_Ash 2 года назад

      Germany “guess I win ww1 now

    • @robertrichard6107
      @robertrichard6107 2 года назад

      Minuteman wiped Swiss out upstate New York in Revolutionary War.

  • @portantesbeneficia6166
    @portantesbeneficia6166 3 года назад +61

    Ancestry: Helps people find their ancestors from 300 years ago.
    Ancestry to me: "Idk dude, have tried researching yourself?"

    • @elias_xp95
      @elias_xp95 3 года назад +6

      Literally this.
      **Types name into ancestry**
      Ancestry: Here is a blank tree for you to fill in.

  • @Shaw4123
    @Shaw4123 3 года назад +7

    I disagree with the beginning.
    You inferred The British and Canadians won the War of 1812 because they protected Canada, repealed American invasions, and burned down the White House.
    But I think it was more of a tie.
    With the fact that the U.S.A. beat the British in a naval war at Lake Erie and controlled the Great Lakes, burned down large swaths of Toronto, the Canadian capital (called York at the time), including government buildings; they might’ve burned down the White House, but we burned down large parts of there entire capital; we defeated Tecumseh and the Pan-Indian alliance in the Midwest; we kicked the British out of the midwest; we won the final battle kicking the British’s butts in New Orleans; we got the British to finally recognize us as a nation; the impressment of our sailors was stopped; We ravaged Upper Canada; the future great General Scott fought in the war; no land was gained by either, though, besides Britain finally recognizing our claims and independence.
    It is sometimes called the "Second American War of Independence" by us in the USA.
    Overall, no one gained any land in the war, and it came to an end with a peace treaty.
    was definitely a tie in my view.
    The natives definitely lost, though, and the U.S. military performed terribly in the War.

    • @mannytanner9132
      @mannytanner9132 3 года назад +1

      Well the USA got Carleton island and West Florida in the war.

  • @seermayton-el3488
    @seermayton-el3488 3 года назад +3

    3:56
    2001's and 2003's head turns: What?