What if Russia Kept Alaska?
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Russia was the first European state to colonize what we now call Alaska, but then they sold it to focus on other matters. Little did they know what the future would bring. So what if in an alternate timeline, Russia kept Alaska and invested in it more? Here is just one scenario.
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This isn't the first time this has happened IIRC.
Keep up the good work, your videos are gold
Obviously you are superhuman.
Just like the "TLDR news" channel and "half as interesting" with their coincidence on the No government thing in Belgium
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I always wondered what the Cold War would be like with the Soviets in Alaska
Yeah me too Chief
A much more stressful Cuban Missile Crisis...
Probably pretty cold most of the year I'd assume
Monisour Z has a similar video that was released recently too.
Hey! I know you
Fun fact:
In Alaska, there is a city called Unalaska
Yep, that's where Dutch Harbor is located! Where they film that show on Discovery Channel show Deadliest Catch
HypeMX IV that wasn’t very *alaska* of you.
In Texas, there is a city called Onalaska.
Thomas M there’s an Onalaska in Wisconsin as well
*Unlondon flashback*
The line “And we all know how Putin feels about lands that were once a part of Russia” hits differently now…
Exactly what I was thiinking :|
Was about to comment this
It REALLY aged well
:skull:
*a part
"Alaska is part of Russia since ancient times" - Vladimir Putin, alternative timeline
he's been taking some tips from the chinese I see
No, "Alaska has an oppressed Russian minority"
Ooooh. This comment has aged
@@TaeSunWoo aged super well
@@TaeSunWoo Has it? Tbf Ukraine war has been going on since 2014 and didn't Russia do same to some Goergian territories and the Chechens?
"No comrade, dont turn me into marketable plushie."
"In the end, he became what he hated most: a tool of capitalist consumerism."
@Google User the Soviet Union is disappointed in you google user
@Google User who pissed in your cereal?
@@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer the plushie, clearly
@@thesquishedelf1301 🤣🤣🤣
Scenario 1: basically Alaska becomes Russian Taiwan?
Basically. Though, if we're being realistic, I'd imagine Alaska as more of Russian Texas. After gold is discovered by the mid-1890's, I'd imagine a surge of Russian, Siberian, Canadian, and especially American immigration into Alaska, as thousands head for the Alaskan coast to make it rich, just like California. And I'd imagine that by the 1910's or even as early as the 1900's, the Americans would vastly outnumber their Russian counterparts. And those Americans likely wouldn't be too happy about living under the autocratic and authoritarian rule of Czar Nicholas ll all the way in Moscow, (Or Petrograd, I don't really know) compared to the free, democratic ways of the old country that they knew. And most likely, some sort of independence movement begins to gain traction among the American and possibly even Slavic populations of Alaska, similar to Poland, Finland, the Baltics, and Ukraine in Eastern Europe. And most likely, this independence movement takes advantage of the Russian Revolution in 1917 to finally gain said independence. So, somewhere around April of 1917, a little less than a month after Nicky abdicates, the Alaskan rebels overthrow whatever small Russian garrison there is, and declare an independent "Republic of Alaska." Now, obviously, the Provisional government would be very pissed about this, but with the Bolshevik Revolution just over half a year later, they couldn't really concern themselves with Alaska. I'd imagine given the large American population in Alaska, many would want to join the US. And its very likely that would happen, probably sometime during the 1920's. Or, if Alaska doesn't join the US before the Great Depression, they'd wait for a later time like the mid-late 40's or even 50's to join the Union. But that's just how I imagine it.
Yes
Was gonna say it.
with actual resources (oil)
@@occam7382 Exactly. For real, the revolution scenario seems more likely than the staying under the rule of the tsar scenario simply because the people would want to become free from the reign of the monarch and the tsar wouldn’t be able to enforce his power against an uprising
"Comrade Stalin, what would you do with Alaska?"
"Giant Gulag"
@polska Russian Australia
Papa stalin
In a parallel universe where Russian Alaska is the equivalent of British Australia:
Alaska: rebels and becomes Republic of Gulag
@@Alex-yy5wo epic
"And we all know how Putin views regions, that were once part of Russia."
BOY HOWDY DO WE!!!
Finland: I'm in danger
@@astroidexadam5976 it actually really isn't because of the eu
@@spacecatsftw and nato soon
man, they started with Georgia (the nation) and now Ukraine
@@qhayiya252 you read why we entered the earth and then comment
In an alternate world:
"What if the Alaskan missile crises went hot?"
We don't get to watch this video
Crisis
Eh, Alaska would freeze the missiles
@@tombradydid9114 Crises is plural so it's a perfectly valid statement considering there would likely be an Alaskan Missile Crisis every time the Soviets upgraded their arsenal. The first crisis might be over the Soviet capability to strike Seattle with a Hiroshima-sized bomb, the next one might come when they invent a megaton level device and rockets to strike Los Angeles. Whenever they gain the capability to strike at the (former) industrial cities in in the Midwest/Great Lakes region yet another crisis would begin. The Soviets decided to pull out of the Cuba Crisis so it was fortunately a once-in-a-lifetime event, that would likely not be the case with Alaska.
"what if the Alaskan missile crisis didn't kill two thirds of the population of the Northern hemisphere?" -Alternate reality Jimmy, Cody is never born because his parents got nuked.
"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall." - Alternate History Ronald Reagan on the Russo-Canadian border.
Damn you Russian Trump!!!!
That wall would be very, very long
Most likely if it was Soviet Alaska there would have been walls on both sides similar to the Korean DMZ.
gorbachev killed his own population.
@@bullshitdepartment so did every other Soviet leader. Your point?
If Alaska was stull Russian territory during WW1, maybe the Tsar that was recently abdicated in 1917 would have fled via Train and then by Ship to Alaska where he and his family would have lived far more peacefully in exile before the October revolution.
Maybe Alaska could have been called White Russia.
Problem with that name, there's already a White Russia, it's Belorussia or Belarus
@@alexbattaglia8297 yeah but at that time i dont think belarus was a country
@@emucitizen5892 that name goes back to the 16th century
White Russia is Belarus. Tsarist Alaska might be called Blue Russia
Or probably either "Russia Alaska", or "Tsarist Russia".
Remember that episode of Cory in the House when he accidently gave Alaska back to the Russians and had to defeat their leader in DDR to get it back. Damn I miss that anime
Idk what Cory in the House is....
@@acezszx its an anime from disney which is a spinoff from the that so raven series
@@pyrolee17 Cory in the cellhouse
How do you accidently give alaska to russia
@@dieream6576 by a series of wacky hijinks
Fun fact: my hometown is where the person who purchased alaska is from! We are so unnotable that this is all we are known for :)
William Seward? He was a pretty influential figure. It's cool that you're from the same town as him.
That's actually pretty cool. The most notable person from my hometown moved to California and became a serial killer (no joke).
@@jacoblinde7486 I think it's pretty cool too! Our school focuses a lot more on him than others, it's fun to have light shown on a historical figure i don't see many people talk about nowadays
@@nickd.9955 F
@@nickd.9955 A notable villain
This is an extremely interesting episode- the relationship between American and Russia would be dramatically different if they hadn't sold it. It's quite staggering how quickly the red army and the revolution spread through russia, and I wonder if the American/Canadian response would even have been quick enough to interfere in Scenario two.
It´s difficult to compare the people in mainland Russia with those in Alaska.
The former mostly were peasants or factory workers with pretty much no rights, while the latter mostly were traders, hunters and trappers, so much less under control of the ruling class.
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Wow its you
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7:32 Bruh, this statement hits different now.
52 likes and no comment? Let me fix that.
The 1st scenario would've made Alaska(or whatever they would call themselves) one of the most touristically active state today, the only remaining place where you can look at non-decadent pre-soviet architecture.
I have a scenario: What if the Warsaw Uprising succeeded? I’m curious
What if Native Americans discovered Gunpowder
Nothing would have happened. Polish resistance couldn't really push and take rest of the poland. They weren't really organised fighting force as we saw in Italy,Czechoslovakia Yugoslavia France.. They'd probably just stay in Warsaw and capture some villages or cities around it. Red army would encircle them,now this depends on what red army would do,they might just destroy them in 1944 or wait after the war,my opinion is that red army would probably destroy Warsaw to the ground,or maybe I am wrong.
The soviets would still "liberate" them.
Nice
I know it isn't realistic at all but I would love to see an independent Warsaw led by a democratic government while the rest of Poland is communist
**Russia enters the chat**
America: He's just standing there... MENACINGLY!!
how is there no reply until this
@@generalblaze5767 ye
GET OUTTA THERE SPONGEBOB!
I bought the plush and I love it
@@deltaforza1234 lucky
Ice Road Truckers would be a whole lot more interesting with Russian truck drivers and vodka.
Lol
Ice Road Comrades.
Would be filmed entirely with dashcams.
All the truckers would be wearing Addidas tracksuits.
"And we all know how Putin views regions that were once a part of Russia"😬
"I can be Russia from my house"
-alternate history Sarah Palin.
Sarah Palinova.
No Russia is my house
*Alternate history Tina Fey Sarah Palin
In Soviet Alaska, Russia sees you from your house.
4:20 whats the song?
It takes a creative mindset to imagine an Alaskan Bolshevik Revolution, I'm not sure if I'm impressed or concerned
Don’t think about it
Both. That's the only way. I tried not thinking about it but that just made things worse..
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@@AxxLAfriku shut up
Alaska is occupied by the British, a cleansing is conducted and becomes part of Canada
Russia after seeing this: ayo ima need my Alaska back😗
Usa : u give this and it a state
“We don’t like borscht. Leave, Ivan.”
USA: Nuh-uh, Alaska's OUR friend!
@( Empire's Studio ) yeah,but it wouldn't be a real empire as it wouldn't really rule over the country...
( Empire's Studio ) I mean an empire? After ww2 I don’t think that empire gonna be recognized
"Alaska becomes an Anti-Communist shelter, a place for the White Army to regroup"
So...Russian Taiwan?
Edit: Commented too soon
So as someone who lives in Alaska, there are a lot of Slavs still here.
@ᴇᴢᴇᴄʀɪs 305 so a few of the Slavs slipped in from the Cold War era, sneak-in across the straight when it freezes. The Village of Wales is within 20 miles of the Russian mainland, but majority came from when the wall fell, or from their original ancestors staying. You also have to remember the population isn’t big, so “a lot” is about 1k across the entire state with a population of 500k.
james grey m
@@navy1lord1 m
@𝙀𝙕𝙀𝘾𝙍𝙄𝙎305 Answer- the native Americans. Many of them converted to Orthodoxy and adopted Russian culture during the occupation, and many Russian settlers married Native people. The Russian government and fur companies left yes, but the natives stayed behind. Many of the Aleut people still practice orthodoxy and speak Russian to this day
Is it bad? how do Americans feel about them?
Anyone else realize that the song playing in the background was a jazzy version of ‘Swinter’ from Phineas and Ferb
At what point
Boss Bale the first section
The fact u were able to notice that
How the hell did you notice that? I mean I loved the show but I didn't think they made a jazz version of it
Here’s an interesting idea: What if the Middle East or China became the dominant global power instead of Europe? During the late Middle Ages all three regions were on par and ready to expand, but China became inward focussed and the Middle East lost its agricultural base due to millennia of farming. If either of these things didn’t happen and Europe didn’t become the dominant force one of the other regions could have likely taken its place. An Arab dominated or Chinese dominated world would be very interesting.
pacific ocean was too big for the chinese Navy at the time.
Very unlikely for Asia but more likely for the ME. Asia was notoriously isolated and even before Tang, it was only the Han that expanded greatly. It wasn’t helped when Asia also went through a period of technological stagnation and combine that with perfectly fertile land with lots of riches makes any campaign outside kind of pointless.
@@peteynutt4104 Zheng He's treasure ships sailed the Indian Ocean coast of Africa. Internal instability caused them to divert those resources elsewhere but there was defs a path the Ming empire could of taken that would of led them to naval supremacy.
If Mongol Empire didn't exist North China would probably hit industrial revolution before Europeans did. Song or successor dynasty would probably start naval exploration and expansion. North China could get some powerhungry leader into power during industrial revolution and attempt to take over South China. . Middle East would still decline but slower and fanaticism wouldn't be so rampant in Islam as it is today. However most of this is just speculation.
This was almost certainly never going to happen because of geography. The main reason Europe became the dominant power was because of colonialism. Before colonial expansion, western Europe was one of the world's poor backwaters with the true wealth of the continent being concentrated in the east with whichever empire controlled Constantinople, be it the Eastern Romans in the Middle Ages and the Ottoman Empire in the early modern period. But the exploitation of riches from the Americas allowed Europe to shift the center of global trade away from the Silk Road and instead to the Atlantic Ocean. Once that happened, any civilization whose wealth and prestige was built on the Silk Road trade route was going to decline.
7:32 this aged well.
Wasn't Russia and America good friends back in those days? Because I recalled Russia was one of the first nations to recognize the US and supported the Union in the American Civil War, and America sent support to Russia by landing in Siberia.
Coffee Succubus He meant the USSR.
They WERE good friends... until the 1905 Russo-Japanese war considerably sour it with TR's heavyhandedness. TR got his Nobel Peace Prize, but at the cost of a historical ally...
Times change.
They were on good terms. It's actually why we don't have a Russian Hawaii. Russia had a fort in Hawaii, but wanted to keep the U.S. as an ally, so they didn't back the uprising of a rival Hawaiian chief who was pro-Russia.
Russia was America's #2 friend in the World in the 19th century (France being #1). So uch so that we bought Alaska as a favor to them, despite not wanting it. Remember, everyone called the Alaska Purchase "Seward's Folly" because it seemed like a waste of money buying
Me who lives in Alaska: Why do I hear boss music?
Also yeah we still do have Russian people here, they’re mostly old couples who escape the USSR
A teacher at my old elementary school used to be an engineer in the USSR.
Felix My Goalie Coach, and Neighbor, was a Machinist in St. Petersburg. His nephew lives in Chelyabinsk, and they’ve hooked me up with a lot of Russian hockey memorabilia.
template humor has killed the internet
@@Felix-ru7qj
An Engineer became a teacher...I feel bad.
@@LazyAndFabulous *Soviet engineer became a teacher in America
depending on his "height" in the engineering field over there, he might get paid more as an American teacher.
Perhaps in this alternate timeline, after the February revolution, the Romanov's left Russia and went over to Britain. Then after the October revolution, the white army in Alaska bring them over to be the heads of state, perhaps as a constitutional monarchy like the UK. That would be interesting after the collapse of the USSR, to have a direct descendant of the Romanov family living in former Russian territory, but now completely separated from the homeland.
Then what would happen once the current Russian government seized control of the mainland? What now for the Alaskan monarchy? Independence or annexation?
@@sibericusthefrosty9950 I honestly don't know
You forgot Scenario 3 (The most likely one): Alaska is just annexed by the US or Britain during the civil war.
Nah. Even earlier. After Eastern war.
@@redkraken6516 That doesn't make very much sense, in 1902 the US or UK wasn't THAT belligrent.
then barely anything would change, kinda boring
@@Sp00nexe Long before that then. Mabye the crimean war.
@@alexbattaglia8297 It's the most realistic, I can't imagine they would let the Bolsheviks control Alaska.
I couldn't Imagine the Russians with Alaska during the Cold War. It would've made the Cuban missile crisis small in comparison. I imagine The Soviets and Americans would pump non stop influence into Canada, and A similar wall like in Berlin would be constructed on parts of the Alaskan border
That would be a hell of a wall dude. Unlikely, considering that even East and West Germany weren't separated by one (only East and West Berlin)
@@thiagoveloso7610 Not the entire border because most of it is rocky. I'm talking places where commerce enters
the alaska-canada border is over 1500 miles long, this is literally like trying to make a border from mexico to canada through the center of the united states.
@@grmachiavelli*sigh* Please see my comment above yours
There would be a whole lot more cold weather military and gear. Deployments to Canadaland.
Washington State: “Yay I’m safe from Cuba’s Nukes”
Soviet Alaska: *Hold my ICBM*
if Russia had held on to Alaska that's where they would have put up but their Nukes.
Robomerc exactly, so Cuba wouldn’t get nukes in the first place.
Jose Mourinho they could
There would be no need for the "IC-" part at that range.
So its an InterNational Ballistic Missile?
I'm not sure whether to laugh or be afraid. It's a strange feeling.
Great video and solid predictions. I was born in Russia and later moved to the States. Scenario 1 is the most likely. Alaska goes independent following the 1917 revolution and takes in many fleeing white army refugees, supporters and Tsar family members. Thousands even millions of Russians could have escaped the purges. It eventually transitions into a republic / monarchy hybrid with close ties to America and Canada. It's very likely that Stalin may have tried to take it back just around the 1930s just like he did with the Baltic states, Poland and Ukraine but with Britain/American naval support that may not have been physically possible. However following Germany's defeat and America's request for USSR to join the war against Japan, parts of it may have been offered to USSR to sweeten the deal. Or at least the Allies would have looked the other way. We could have gotten another great purge of the 1940s knowing Stalin. Regardless and most realistically speaking, it'd would have turned into an independent mini Russia 2.0, another modern day China / Taiwan situation like you said.
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@Abraham Garcia I'd say most definitely. I know a bunch of Russians, myself included, who vehemently hate communism. During the Cold War, the Americans didn't fight the Russians - they fought the communists. Russians were given a choice - either work for the communists, get sent to the gulag, or suicide. There was really no other option for survival in the USSR. It's pretty much what the democrats and media are doing today with Trump supporters - going after their reputation and employment if they don't renounce Trump. If they keep it up, it's going to get a whole lot worse.
@@Swaggaccino, personally, I would imagine Alaska becoming kind of the Russian version of Texas, where huge swaths of American immigrants come into the region, (likely because of gold) and they begin to want their own independent Alaskan state, or join with the US, most likely the latter. They would take advantage of the Russian Revolution to declare independence, and likely join the US by the mid-20's.
@@occam7382 NO.PLEASE GOD NO
@@strahinjafilipovic9804, dude, why are you freaking out?
I like that Qatari scenario. That's really interesting, a pre-soviet Russian successor state in North America with a small population and tremendous wealth.
Russia after the purchase: Stonks
Russia after the US finds Gold in Alaska: Not Stonks
selling of alaska is like the louisiana purchase to france, less about the money and more about "i have too much land to deal with so you can have it"
At least it's closer to Canada.
@@royisdabest yeah, but so did Siberia.
@@hunterashwill5766 Also like France, they wanted to sell it to a country that would keep the British Empire in check, and by the end of the US Civil War, the Union and Russia were on decent terms.
@@jeffbenton6183 I didn't mean to mention you 😅. But thanks for telling me.
Fun fact, Alaska is so big and isolated that there are people living there who still think it’s a part of Russia
Edit: I’m sorry to everyone who read this but this is quite outdated considering the data is of 1920
Really?
Where did ya hear that from? I am really curious. My Alaskan friends tell me that is not true.
(As told from friends that live out around Nome and Anchorage).
Bro that gives off the same vibe as us seeing stars that have been dead for thousands of years
Ok now I cringe whenever I see this comment because now I realize it’s a bit outdated considering the data is of 1920
@@NateTheOhioan its ok
I want to see an Alt History novel/movie where Alaska becomes a little neo-Tsarist Russia just chilling on oil across the pond
The most important point you're forgetting is that if Alaska had remained controlled by Russia, we never would've had Northern Exposure.
@@noelleelizabeth9991 what was the northen exposure
What's northern exposure?
@@omargerardolopez3294 it’s a comedy sitcom.
It would be a sitcom on Russian Television
Russia: "So I will keep Alaska so I can have all the gold to mysel-
America: "LOOKS LIKE THAT GOLD COULD USE SOME FREEDOM!!!!"
Russia: "Sigh..."
Xd
Russia: Dude you know that the Middle East has way more oil and is easy to conquer
US: Holy shit you are a genius time to start colonising again.
Great Britain: Did somebody said Colonising
6:11 "The last bastion of the old Tsardom"
Finland: Am I a joke to you?
*What if Russia kept Alaska?*
It's barren land, how is it useful?
White Russian Forces: "It's a surprise tool that will help us later"
Either it will save the White Army and tsardom or it will become America’s biggest nightmare, it’s almost like a win-win scenario
"We all know how Putin feels about states that once belonged to Russia." Then I get an add that opens with: "This, is a holy war."
I think he would be reminded on exactly how bad his Navy is.
@@wrayday7149 Russia has like one carrier and it needs to be pulled by a tug boat
Sentient Blob well Russia used to have a strong navy but in the Russo Japanese War it all got destroyed
I had an add right then which said
It's terrible
@@legoleviathan6411 Strong?
No.
Decent/Adequate For Them?
Yes.
Jokes on the Soviet plush, that’s a capitalist knife, it says Chicago Cutlery on it Lol.
I think being threathened by a weapon made by your "side" is a bit more of a joke than someone using an enemy's weapon to threathen that very same enemy.
Just like armsdealers who get killed by their own product are a big joke.
Underrated comment
Yeah and he was sitting on a Jeep a very American made car
But Chicago is Owned By commies...
@Herr Schütz but it's true
Id imagine Alaska’s gold rush would encourage more Russian troops and ships to be either around Alaska’s coastline or near in the Far East, as well as increased finances obviously, which could create a different situation in the Russo-Japanese war of 1904-5 as well, so that could further change things.
I think it would be interesting if Alaska had truly become the last bastion of the Russian Empire, not just for what it would’ve done to the Cold War, but also to that entire region in terms of development. A wealthy, independent Alaska could have had serious knock-on effects across the Canadian territories in terms of economic development and prioritization - especially if Rulaska was invested in heavily by the west in an effort to buy influence in the area, which would almost certainly be the case. Those northern regions of Canada are pretty seriously neglected, and I’d be really curious about how their population might be affected by this, the cost of goods, access to resources, etc. I wonder if they might even get moved from territories to provinces in that alternate timeline, or if maybe those northern territories might have wanted to leave Canada altogether to join Russian Alaska (probably heavily dependent on how Indigenous people were treated in Russian America, but if it was positive, I can’t imagine it’d be a hard sell to the people).
I could see Patton's "Go all the way to Moscow" idea having a lot more weight and consideration.
@magicblanket
Not necessarily. Remember the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. That might prompt the US to send soldiers to Europe from the very beginning of the war. Even before the 1940 evacuation.
(Similarly, the US might have sent ships and troops to assist Britain and China in Asia. Or flip-side, have prompted an agreement with Imperial Japan to let them move against China and Russian territory, provided they stay north of British and American holdings.)
If not, then once Germany invaded Russia, the US might stay out of the war longer and not support Russia the way they did in OTL. The lack of US supplies slows the Soviet advance, it becomes even bloodier for Russia, and once the US does join, the western allies possibly take all of Germany before the Soviet Army arrives. That "victory" combined with even more extreme Russian losses might prompt the western allies to push harder for the Soviets to withdraw from eastern Europe, and the Soviets to have no choice but to agree (with some horse-trading over "natural" Russian territory so that Stalin doesn't saves face. Sorry Ukraine/Belarus, but yay Poland.)
Honestly this whole “what-if” scenario is actually pretty exciting.
Kalan Lancaster it is
Russian: I promise I won’t drink too much and become A marketable plushie, comrade.
The Russian, 5 bottles of vodka later: 0:13
"HOW PUTIN WIEWS REGIONS"...
How about "What if Germany went communist after ww1?"
then most of europe wouldve probably turned communist since the main reason germany lost wwii was to the soviet union (if russia also turned to communism). the soviet union and communist germany would be joint allies and take over europe since germany was already having plans of a second war after they lost wwi. rest is pretty self explanatory (more extreme cold war, fall of both nations; in theory)
@@royisdabest The German communists at the time were very anti-war. So no, I doubt they would try to take over Europe.
@@royisdabest If Germany went Communist it would've been through a Rosa Luxembourg revolution and she was very critical of Bolshevik system I really don't think they would ally themselves with USSR
@@calvin4864 also German socialists were way more closely aligned with anarchists than communists. At the end of the day their combination of vehement militarism and nationalism would probably prevent them from ever aligning with the Bolsheviks.
@@royisdabest [cries in Polish 20 years earlier]
What if:
What if *Canada had bought Alaska* instead of America?
One of the main reasons why the Russian sale Alaska to the US was because they fear the British would annex Alaska in a hypothetical war. I don't know how the Canadians would take Alaska without an Anglo-Russian war.
@@unkown686
It might have worked with Canada as Dominion of Canada.
Colder War
assuming they could, I don't see much changing, Canada would just have an extra territory and/or province.
Didn't they offer to sell it to UK but they refused?
Edit: no they didn't idk why I thought that
7:33 yep this is true
7:32
Ahh, aged liked fine wine.
Okay, hear me out. "Communist themed merchandise".
They already have that in Chinese markets.
And in Russia too. You won't believe how many merch with soviet symbols is there.
Hatfright in Russia the communist party still exists in Russia, but they are Putin’s bootlickers.
@@RebelHound No need to tell me that, I live here, unfortunatly. :D
Hatfright удачи, друг.
This is probably the most interesting episode to date. I can only imagine many Russians today regretting the sale of Alaska to the U.S. Scenario 1 in this video was amazing considering what Alaska would've become. Had it been a monarchy, I'd imagine it would be a constitutional one and I can definitely see it being a bulwark between the North America and the Soviets and later Putin's Russia.
I kind of feel like Russia would of used Alaska as a penal colony.... much like Australia started out.
@@wrayday7149 But Siberia is already Russia's penal colony.
Alaska would basically be Russia's mysterious and unknown frontier like it is with the US but on a much greater scale.
7:32 This aged poorly
Wtf do you mean “this aged poorly” it aged quite well actually 🤦♂️
How is this "aged" in any way? It's literally been happening for decades from the Transnistria war, the Abkhazia and South Ossetia wars from the 90s (which are frozen currently) to the 2014 invasion of Ukraine.
@@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 yeah but like you know what they mean
7:33 oh Well
>Buildings of the Stalin era
>shows the industrial area fulfilled with Khrushchev era buildings
Sarah Palin wouldn’t see Russia from her house, she’d already be there 😊
“Many of the problems that we see today were simply based of of whim of 19th century empires, that no longer exist...” so very true! I really wish more people acknowledged that! Many of the instabilities and geopolitical problems in countries in the Middle East and Africa stem directly from European empires dividing territories up purely for resources and tactical advantage, with absolutely no regard for the native populations. Like it or not, the effects of western imperial greed are still being felt to this day, often with horrific consequences, yet many people still scoff at the idea that the west is in any way responsible for the problems within those areas...
4:35 - This painting shows the First Serbian Uprising. The painting is called "Bitka na Mišaru".
Does anyone know if AHH has done “what if Spain joined ww2”
He should actually do that one
I don't think much would change because Spain was destroyed by civil war, it will be probably another headache for the Germans.
@@Rodq I would assume Spain would align with Germany since Franco was basically a Hitler fanboy
The Allies would dispose of Franco ipso facto. Spain would do even worse than Italy in the war.
@@sporkeisha3403 Yes, like Italy, another headache for the Germans.
What if Yugoslavia never broke up? I'd like to see that as a Yugoslav American. Živela Jugoslavija!
Jebote brate ne radi mi to...
@@Iksvomid Izvinite brate, samo hoću bolje život za Jugoslave u novoj Jugoslaviji. Sorry my Serbo-croatian isn't very good.
It's okay. Big Mike, it is your opinion that I like!
@@Iksvomid for you, I'm doing a shot of shlivo right now. Idk you but much love to you and your family and friends, brother! ŽIVELI!
That would be more of whatifalthist video, he has a lot of what if [insert former country name here] survived videos
Iirc there's a romance novel that features an independant Tsarist Alaska... I haven't actually read it but I think it's about a Travel agent and a Prince?
It's one of those stories where the Alt History is just kinda in the background...kinda like in 'A Man Lies Dreaming'
As a lifelong Alaska I was always interested in this same idea, seeing as we have a decent orthodox Russian population mixed in with a quasi American state
Though I was hoping scenario 3 would be a Japanese takeover of Alaska following the Russo Japanese War and the implications for WW2
They wouldn't have held it long and the Japanese atrocities on a North American territory would have even far more reaching hatred down the road.
Anime amd other Japanese culture exports wouldn't be well received at all. And the Japanese people in camps in mainland USA would likley be even worse off.
@Colton Dunham I know that but I'm saying if they took the entire state and held it.
@Colton Dunham, they only took a few small islands along the outskirts of the territory and quickly abandoned them. Sooooo, yeah.
The U.S. would have certainly not let the Empire of Japan take Alaska. They tried to take northern Sakhalin, which is practically an extension of the Japanese archipelago, but the U.S. intervened and told them not to. Now imagine if they tried to hold alaska.
I think if that happened America would be even harsher on Japan. Those internment camps would probably be turned into death camps just like the ones in Nazi Germany. And I think operation downfall would have even happened just to beat back Japan on their soil.
Man, I wonder what new product they have?
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I’m sorry don’t say “your” stock . Say OUR stock you capitalist.
i hope youre ready for a large shipment cause AHH will take this as confirmation of purchase - the bill will arrive electronically for $16M and you must pay or face the bailiffs
@@garybrown2039 yes comrad
@@garybrown2039 but you're still a capitalist when you buy the plushie
Global Occult Coalition Nonsense the revolutionary Proletariat built the factories for Our Glorious Leader Comrade Stalin
The algorithm has a weird sense of humor lately
Your "Alaska alone" scenario reminds me very much of a real Soviet alternate History novel, "The Island of Crimea", in which the Whites are able to push back the Reds out of their straight, being on an island and not on a peninsula. So the Russians on their island build a multipartite democracy, blend with the local Tatars (instead on deporting them), Greeks, and even with rogue American and Englsh intervention soldiers.
Check it out, it's a very clever and funny farewell letter (sometimes close to a James Bond adventure) to Soviet Union by Vladimir Aksyonov, who was preparing to defect into the USA. The man used to translate American literature, illegally listened to jazz, traveled in the USA, representing USSR in a Writers' congress, even, in return, welcoming John Updike in his motherland.
This turned out to be more interesting than I expected. The scenario where Alaska becomes the new pre-soviet Russia is fascinating and I’d love to see a story focused on that scenario.
Russia: “Finds oil in Alaska”
America: *Hippity hoppity your territory is my property*
That kind of mentality didn't exist then
Freaking love the analysis. All of these videos are fascinating. Well done.
i definitely wouldn't be living in Wasilla now, thats for sure.
An unquestionably better timeline then!
I know that area pretty well. I grew up in Eagle River.
Hannibal Solo Hey fellow Eagle River pal
@@rnelson299 hows it going neighbor! haha
I’m sorry you live there.
In that universe we would still have documentaries on TV instead of all those Alaska-related reality shows.
The concept of a modern Alaskan Tsardom sounds so cool and steampunk.
I like how you snuck in mississippi's new flag in there at 0:27
Just caughted that
This just further confirms my conspiracy that Monsieur Z and Alternate History Hub are the same person.
I got suspicious as well, They uploaded the same scenario in the same day
A few hours apart...
hhmmmm
Except Monsieur Z is a Nazi
@@michaelstodovski2219 how?
*Alaska.. second half of the simpsons movie..* LITERALLY THE ONLY REASON I KNEW ALASKA AS A KID 😂 😂 😂
Me too
@syntikkamies better dead than red
I really love the musical backgrounds that you put into these videos! ! ! !
Please do one on "If Bacon's Rebellion never happened" I think it would be an interesting video since it seems to have caused a lot of other things to happen.
Don't forget that it 1959 Hawaii, would create a state, and to even out to 50 without Alaska, the US would probably make Puerto Rico a state.
That actually makes me think. Alaska was acquired in 1867. In 1898, the US went to war with Spain, taking Puerto Rico, Cuba, the Philippines, Guam, and maybe others, I don't remember.
Perhaps Cuba would not just become a US territory without Alaska, but become a state.
And one century later the US would be speaking Spanish alongside English and dancing Reaggaeton. Oh wait, the US is the second largest Spanish speaking nation and they are dancing Reaggaeton. Ha Ha.
That or make the state of Jefferson a thing.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_%28proposed_Pacific_state%29?wprov=sfla1
Without Alaska, Maybe they'll try to get Greenland. Or make Guam the 50th state.
@@TheRennes1997 Or make Puerto Rico the 50th state like I just said
When two of the same alternate history scenarios come out within hours of each other, “A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.”
Honestly, I want to visit the 1st timeline simply to see the architecture of a pre-Soviet Russia.
The Crimean War wasn't the only reason Russia was wary of Britain. They were also competing for influence in Persia throughout the entire Victorian era and were often openly hostile. Russia was afraid of Britain taking Alaska by force if another war broke out.
Interesting. Both AlternateHistoryHub and MonsieurZ releasing similar videos the same day? Madness!
madness? THIS IS RUSSIA *kicks you*
Okay, what is all this talk about AHH and MZ? I don't really get it.
They are both alternate history video and they released similar videos within a super close time frame
@@pepenero6168, uh-huh.
@@marinerproductions1315 and their incredible similar voices which you never tire of listening
The Tsardom of Alaska was perfect. I love it.
I have a small video recommendation in case you ever need a filler episode, what if the Romans kept Mesopotamia (Iraq) instead of abandoning it. Specifically what if Hadrian decided to fortify it and turn it into a fully fledged Roman province?
Persia was too deep.
This was very interesting video!
Oof Operation Anchorage would’ve been a no-go
@Craig the Brute Logan is that you
Yes I've found the Fallout Fanzone here.
Operation Anchorage still happens, except it's an American, not Chinese invasion. The Reds are crushed by T-51b Power Armor and support from Liberty Prime. The Great War still occurs due to the Reds feeling vengeful.
Honestly the first scenario is definitely likely. The fact the USSR didn’t keep Finland. Alaska would probably be it’s own country or even be eaten up by Canada or the United States. Or maybe America and Canada form the North American Union 🤔
*North American COUNCIL Union =)
"Совет" is council. Democratic council. It should NOT be translated as meaningless "soviet"
Cyber Vantyz what?
@@cybervantyz So you're saying we should translate the CCCP as "Union of Councilor Socialist Republics"?
@@jeffbenton6183 yeah, that would be the correct version in english. "Soviet" is a russian word after all.
The US and UK seizing it shortly after the first of gold and oil is discovered there is even more likely than Alaska staying in Russian hands until the Soviet Revolution.
I loved that starting bit XD. Do more!
I live in Alaska! Can’t wait to see what you have to say :)
Honestly people up here don’t really consider Alaska to be part of the United States... more like a US territory like Samoa, Puerto Rico, and Guam. It’s weird up here. Shit is happening down in the states and we just chilling up here. Minding our business... get it? Chilling?... cuz it’s cold?.... ha ..
Idk what youre talking bout bruh. I am from Alaska and most people I know are quite proud of being an American state
@@juice8431 ask em again, they probably like Alaska ten times more than United States.
The first scenario is pretty interesting
Alaska in this timeline would have a lot of tension between framing itself as the true successor of the Russian Empire and emulating the USA (partially because of the american settlers and partially due to the US being a booming economy right next to them), I imagine it would be a republic or a parlamentary monarchy that still used imperial iconography; in case of a republic the first presidents would probably be Romanovs and their family would probably lead a more conservative party for generations. Maybe the conservative party would be known as the Russian party and the liberal party would be the American party.
They would probably get investments from the US after WWII just like the Marshall Plan for Alaska to become "what the USSR could have been if they stayed on our side". Maybe Canada and the US would incentivize their citizens to settle in the uninhabited areas of Alaska so that the Soviets couldn't claim that land.
Also in this scenario the US would be smaller than Brazil lmao
There is no way Romanovs would have become presidents. If the monarchy was to be abolished, then they would just not rule at all.
well, I imagine the surviving Romanovs wouldn't be the former Tsar and his close family and instead woudl be that part of the family that never hoped to rule at all due to how many people would be closer to the throne than them. Also having a member of the royal family ruling would support the claim of being the true successors to the Russian Empire so it's more likely that Alaska would have been a monarchy anyways
I think the idea of a Taiwan style scenario is the most realistic, and most fascinating one as well. WE might even have a situation where the Western powers refuse to recognise the Russian state ruled by Moscow for decades and instead recognise the surviving Romanov ruled entity in Alaska, much like how the Republican govt of China re-established itself in Taiwan and continue to claim the title of the "true" China, until Nixon changed positions and recognised the Beijing Govt as the "true" China. The same could happen with Alaska being regarded as the true Russia and the regime based in Moscow as the usurper in the eyes of the US until something forces the Americans to change recognition and adopt a "One Russia" policy.
In this alternative timeline would see the US Pacific Fleet sailing through the Bering Strait to ward of Russian aggression against the pro-US Republic of Russia (Alaska) just like how Clinton in 1994 sent the fleet to the Taiwan Straits to protect the Republic of China (Taiwan).
Monarchy was very unpopular even among the white movement. Its Soviet propaganda that the Whites fought for its restoration.
@@ugandanwarrior5657 There's also the possibility that Russia-in-exile would just be yet another military dictatorship allied with the US due their shared opposition to communism. So the comparison to Qatar - one of many petro-autocracies in the Middle East - was quite apt.
What if Hawaii never became a U.S. state?
What if the Raid on Harper's Ferry actually succeeded?
What if the Meiji Restoration failed?
The hawaii would be a very Nice video to watch...
Hawaii would be a nice country to visit.
Do you mean "what if Hawaii never became a U.S. Territory"? Because if it simply never gained statehood, I don't think much would change. Pearl Harbor would still happen, and not much of historical significance has involved Hawaii since it was granted statehood in 1959.
The kamehameha dinasty would continue and it would be the Dragon Ball Z country
While note alternate history hub, 'what if alt his' did a video on that.
Hey Cody, I just wanna say i'm such a huge fan, I love all your content, Ive bought all your books and I just ordered a Soviet plushie. You are honestly one of the few good RUclipsrs left. Is there ANY CHANCE that the American plushies will be available again, I had no idea they were even for sale, I only recently found out about the Soviet plushie for sale, I need them both so they can have their cold war on my bed.
Keep up the great work, you're the man.
To be honest it would be very interesting to have one slavic cultured state that actually escaped being communist/under soviet control or influence.
AltHistoryHub and Monsieur Z have similar voices already...ever saw them in the same room? Didn't think so...