Danni's strategy still feels applicable today. Just this season on Big Brother Jared started hardcore targeting America because he felt he was being asked way too many questions by the producers about how much he did or didn't trust her. It's an absolute meta game but it seems to pay off more often than not. Producers aren't going to talk to you very much about stuff that is not relevant to the game. Sure, you'll get a cursory question or two about every permutation but they'll also focus on the most salient things.
@@MPM23-m2gno. Cirie was running the game and had every single person in the house except America believing they were one of her closest allies. Producers decided to make a segment for the show about how America is Cirie’s only opposition and asked Cirie and Jared about America in the DR to get sound bites for it. Because production was so unsubtle Jared caught on that America was up to something or in some way untrustworthy and decided to target her
Jared thought America was plotting against him because the producers knew she was campaigning against Cirie and gave Jared leading questions about America’s loyalty
He is a pretty underrated winner imo, he used his fake idols to put him in good with sugar, made kenny and crystal ruin their own games, convinced sugar to put him in fire against matty aka the only threat to win and destroyed him in fire. He gets a lot of flak for how docile he was in FTC where he seems just stunned to be there
@@chriskelly6019 I'm a big fan of Bob. It's one of the sort of minority of things that I completely disagree with Idled Out on: the final three in Gabon were pretty good. You reminded me how going along with Sugar on her fake idol pranks may have actually been a good move on Bob's part that saved him at the final four.
I think Sophie is a great example of someone recognizing the ‘Tina’ ‘good guys win strategy’ and playing into that without actually having those same views.
Remember when Vecepia was allowed to take a journal onto the show and write down everyone personally and then study off them for an immunity challenge?
One could argue that Tony's early elimination in Game Changers was part of his long term strategy to reduce his threat level for future games. He lasted 6 days, played like a fool, and by the time WAW came along people didn't remember him for his dominant game in Cagayan, they remember how goofy he was in Game Changers.
@@crazyinsanepenguin : Yeah, I think people would have been gunning for Tony in Game Changers no matter what he did. I don't think that cast would have let him get to the merge, much less FTC.
I remember listening to an interview with Tony and he said he never intended to play again after GC. However, he was building a new house so he accepted WAW for the appearance fee to build a big ass pool, thinking he would be first out.
even if Game Changers was strategy for later seasons, people still remembered Tony's Cagayan season vividly. And he was still considered a MASSIVE threat on WaW regardless of what happened in Game Changers. That's why Sandra wanted him out immediately, and why he had to use the "lions vs hyenas" strategy to mobilize all the big threats during the pre-merge. RHAP (who didn't think he could possibly win the season) ranked him in the top five in terms of threat-level before the season started.
Shoutout to Bob. He put more effort into making a fake idol than modern production puts into making real idols Fake idols then: ornately crafted from things gathered over the entire season Real idols now: BeAdS oN a StRiNg…
That’s kinda the point tho. Look at David’s fake idol in MilvGenX. It was just a bunch of shells. It worked bc real idols were just a bunch of shells. These simpler idols make making fake ones more accessible. I hate the new premade fake idols in the new era tho. It takes the skill of the creating and the social skill of lying out of it. Edit: I like Cambodia bc idols STILL did look ornate but Kelley still made a believable fake just using the things around her.
How about Tyson in BvW who continued to tell his alliance to keep splitting votes despite him having the idol, yeah it was overall pointless but it led to a lot of the cast giving up on the social scrambling in favor of idol scrambling.
Video idea. Survivor Best Suited Challenges. Basically, regardless of performance, which challenges *felt like* they played EXACTLY into someone's strengths. Think a basketball player needing to shoot buoys into a net, ah yes a rafting instructor in a kayaking challenge, Debbie in anything... Essentially, based on their occupation or fun fact they give in confessionals (e.g. Christian happened to make algorithms for the puzzle in the opening challenge of David vs Goliath, perfect)
I wish the advantage plays in 43 were included. Both Noelle using the steal a vote, and Jesse playing an idol were done not for the actual advantage. on paper, they actually played them incorrectly. HOWEVER, Noelle stole Owen’s vote to make James comfortable. Jesse played an idol (doesn’t matter if it was Cody’s or not for my point) to make Karla feel paranoid and flush her idol. To sum up, production had advantages with very intended purposes but Jesse and Noelle used them NOT for those purposes.
Think a lot of people kinda overrate Erika’s game. She tried to play hard pre merge which made her have a massive target on her back, then got saved with the hourglass. Obviously survivor has an element of luck but she didn’t have agency in the game until the end because of her misplays at the start; so was seen as a goat in a sense.
@@whymegaluke1726 In the Shan vote, she orchestrated the split vote to pretect herself. She also convinced everbody to vote out Danny instead of Deshawn to benefit her game. She had more control in the game compared to Deshawn and Xander.
I think the best One is the producers one if you are clever enough you'll know whos running the game by Listening to producers hints during Questioning bravo dani 👏
I think re: Tony, he wanted to appear like a washed up one trick pony. He went out so early in GC that it kinda gave him a chance to reset in WaW. Drop the chaos level and act like he didn’t quite have the chops to play with folks who would call his bluff.
the biggest evidence of erika lowering her threat level working is xander taking her to the end. xander was too afraid of giving erika the chance to have a big move like firemaking on her resume that he failed to realise erika didnt need to win fire making to win the game.
@peridiam these are the winners you should include in your next video(s): Vecepia in Survivor Marquesas for hacking the fallen comrades challenge utilizing her luxury item. Brian in Survivor Thailand for downplaying his personality. Fabio in Survivor Nicaragua for making himself look dumber than he was. Gabler in Survivor 43 for hiding in plain sight.
I was just thinking about Gabler, he played like Tony and was WAY under the radar, nobody considered him a threat even once and he ended up winning the game.
I'm gonna be a mixture of all 5 strategies if/when i make it on the show. Already have a plan to have someone attempt to cut my hair with the machete to show them that they have my trust! 😂😂
@@MPM23-m2g she had more control in the game compared to Deshawn and Xander. The Shan split vote and the Danny vote (everybody wants Deshawn out except for her)
@@krystmartinez Control of what exactly! The hourglass twist! I’m sorry but for me personally Survivor 41 is the worst season of the new era and of the worst season ever!
@@MPM23-m2g I just said what she did in the game lol.. you're mind is so closed.. or too busy rooting for a white guy.. probably because they showed too much of Xander's shenanigans than Erika's strategic confessionals( I don't want to bring up race or gender but you did it first.. I just want to show you, it goes both ways). Anyway, Deshawn was a messy player and Xander did nothing to control the votes. (The steal an idol thing was Evvie's idea). Having said that, I agree 41 was boring and the story arch of the players was disaster.
Yeah Frani really screwed that up, I remember thinking to myself while watching why isn’t she losing this now that she has safety, terrible job on her part
I’m going to regret saying this, but the green outlines on the P and the M in the Perdiam logo should just be smooth and not have those edges. Offset path in illustrator sadly isn’t perfect :(
I am once again asking you to please not put spoilers in your video thumbnails. Not everybody has seen every season yet. (It's me, I haven't seen every season yet.)
It’s kinda reminiscent of Tyson in BvW who continued to tell his alliance to keep splitting votes despite him having the idol, yeah it was overall pointless but it led to a lot of the cast giving up on the social scrambling in favor of idol scrambling. We never saw it really fail, and it had potentially next to no impact
xander foolishly took her to the final three because he didnt want her to have fire making on her resume even though she didnt need it. everyone was always talking about how much of a threat erika was from the f8 onwards yet she only ever had two votes cast against her. so i’d say she it worked pretty well for her benefit.
@@willmiddleton913 Nope! I just don’t see her gameplay as revolutionary or even great she would’ve been eliminated in all the season! Put her any season in 20s or 30s she will won’t win! I understand why she won I’m just not happy about it!
@@willmiddleton913 Yeah, I actually think Erika is the best player of the new era. It would have been nice if she had gotten a more visible edit, but when I look at her entire game, it's quite impressive.
Tony and Jeremy’s calendar conversation will always be something from the show that makes me smile
Danni's strategy still feels applicable today. Just this season on Big Brother Jared started hardcore targeting America because he felt he was being asked way too many questions by the producers about how much he did or didn't trust her. It's an absolute meta game but it seems to pay off more often than not. Producers aren't going to talk to you very much about stuff that is not relevant to the game. Sure, you'll get a cursory question or two about every permutation but they'll also focus on the most salient things.
So Jared felt American got help?
@@MPM23-m2gno. Cirie was running the game and had every single person in the house except America believing they were one of her closest allies. Producers decided to make a segment for the show about how America is Cirie’s only opposition and asked Cirie and Jared about America in the DR to get sound bites for it. Because production was so unsubtle Jared caught on that America was up to something or in some way untrustworthy and decided to target her
Jared thought America was plotting against him because the producers knew she was campaigning against Cirie and gave Jared leading questions about America’s loyalty
@@coqui9879 Okay! But why did he call her you know the r word?
@@MPM23-m2gbc its jared
i’ll never get over how good bob’s fake idols are. those are some true works of art
He is a pretty underrated winner imo, he used his fake idols to put him in good with sugar, made kenny and crystal ruin their own games, convinced sugar to put him in fire against matty aka the only threat to win and destroyed him in fire. He gets a lot of flak for how docile he was in FTC where he seems just stunned to be there
They look better than actual idols today
@@chriskelly6019 I'm a big fan of Bob. It's one of the sort of minority of things that I completely disagree with Idled Out on: the final three in Gabon were pretty good.
You reminded me how going along with Sugar on her fake idol pranks may have actually been a good move on Bob's part that saved him at the final four.
The fact that Jeff burned them is almost a crime.
Edit: 3:16 Wait, he DIDN'T burn one of them?
I think Sophie is a great example of someone recognizing the ‘Tina’ ‘good guys win strategy’ and playing into that without actually having those same views.
Oooo 100% agree!!
I use to think Sophie was a terrible player and winner, but now I see her strategy and realize that she had a lot of success.
@@itzmeconar6991 She was not given a great edit.
I hated South Pacific aside from ozzy because of THE FRICKIN CULT ALLIANCE
Remember when Vecepia was allowed to take a journal onto the show and write down everyone personally and then study off them for an immunity challenge?
Yep.
I'm pretty sure she's the big reason no one is allowed to bring personal items on the show anymore
One could argue that Tony's early elimination in Game Changers was part of his long term strategy to reduce his threat level for future games. He lasted 6 days, played like a fool, and by the time WAW came along people didn't remember him for his dominant game in Cagayan, they remember how goofy he was in Game Changers.
I doubt it was intentional but it definitely worked out for the better. I don't think Tony wins WaW if he doesn't totally flop on Game Changers
@@crazyinsanepenguin : Yeah, I think people would have been gunning for Tony in Game Changers no matter what he did. I don't think that cast would have let him get to the merge, much less FTC.
I remember listening to an interview with Tony and he said he never intended to play again after GC. However, he was building a new house so he accepted WAW for the appearance fee to build a big ass pool, thinking he would be first out.
@@TheRex4ever: Wow, Tony is really such a king, even in interviews he pretends he's not strategic. :P
even if Game Changers was strategy for later seasons,
people still remembered Tony's Cagayan season vividly. And he was still considered a MASSIVE threat on WaW regardless of what happened in Game Changers. That's why Sandra wanted him out immediately, and why he had to use the "lions vs hyenas" strategy to mobilize all the big threats during the pre-merge. RHAP (who didn't think he could possibly win the season) ranked him in the top five in terms of threat-level before the season started.
That ending broke my brain. Full tilt boogie is not a thing
Full tilt boogie is my life you take that back!
Shoutout to Bob. He put more effort into making a fake idol than modern production puts into making real idols
Fake idols then: ornately crafted from things gathered over the entire season
Real idols now: BeAdS oN a StRiNg…
That’s kinda the point tho. Look at David’s fake idol in MilvGenX. It was just a bunch of shells. It worked bc real idols were just a bunch of shells. These simpler idols make making fake ones more accessible. I hate the new premade fake idols in the new era tho. It takes the skill of the creating and the social skill of lying out of it.
Edit: I like Cambodia bc idols STILL did look ornate but Kelley still made a believable fake just using the things around her.
This is why Bob is technically one of the best winners from his 5-challenge win streak to his great strategy
How about Tyson in BvW who continued to tell his alliance to keep splitting votes despite him having the idol, yeah it was overall pointless but it led to a lot of the cast giving up on the social scrambling in favor of idol scrambling.
Shout out to Fabio for playing into the perception that he was a dumb blonde to hide how socially aware he was.
Video idea. Survivor Best Suited Challenges. Basically, regardless of performance, which challenges *felt like* they played EXACTLY into someone's strengths.
Think a basketball player needing to shoot buoys into a net, ah yes a rafting instructor in a kayaking challenge, Debbie in anything...
Essentially, based on their occupation or fun fact they give in confessionals (e.g. Christian happened to make algorithms for the puzzle in the opening challenge of David vs Goliath, perfect)
I wish the advantage plays in 43 were included. Both Noelle using the steal a vote, and Jesse playing an idol were done not for the actual advantage. on paper, they actually played them incorrectly.
HOWEVER, Noelle stole Owen’s vote to make James comfortable. Jesse played an idol (doesn’t matter if it was Cody’s or not for my point) to make Karla feel paranoid and flush her idol.
To sum up, production had advantages with very intended purposes but Jesse and Noelle used them NOT for those purposes.
It’s only winners strategies, while they are good they would be in another video
@@zacmitchell3468 oh that’s true.
@@zacmitchell3468 oh that’s true.
Honestly, this would make a good list of it's own-five times Survivor players used advantages in a completely different way than the producers thought
Erika deserves so much more recognition, he game is not flawless, but she played a hell of a game.
I didn’t know all that stuff about how she deliberately presented herself. That was genius.
Imo she's the best winner from the 40s and one my all time faves.
Think a lot of people kinda overrate Erika’s game. She tried to play hard pre merge which made her have a massive target on her back, then got saved with the hourglass. Obviously survivor has an element of luck but she didn’t have agency in the game until the end because of her misplays at the start; so was seen as a goat in a sense.
@@whymegaluke1726 In the Shan vote, she orchestrated the split vote to pretect herself. She also convinced everbody to vote out Danny instead of Deshawn to benefit her game. She had more control in the game compared to Deshawn and Xander.
Full tilt Boogie not being a S44 exclusive phrase is the biggest twist/shock🤯
FULL TILT BOOGIE
Also I think it would be interesting to explore the strategy behind choosing people to give reward to/taking with you on a reward
I think the best One is the producers one if you are clever enough you'll know whos running the game by Listening to producers hints during Questioning bravo dani 👏
That fact about Austin making a fake idol was really surprising sucks they never put it on the show
Awesome Video as Always!
Thank you :D
I think re: Tony, he wanted to appear like a washed up one trick pony. He went out so early in GC that it kinda gave him a chance to reset in WaW. Drop the chaos level and act like he didn’t quite have the chops to play with folks who would call his bluff.
I thought Survivor 44 was the first time Jeff said full tilt boogie
Woah, the old clip of Jeff saying full tilt Boogie! I didn't know that existed :o
Happy Early Thanksgiving Peridiam and Peridiam watchers!
Thank You!
the biggest evidence of erika lowering her threat level working is xander taking her to the end. xander was too afraid of giving erika the chance to have a big move like firemaking on her resume that he failed to realise erika didnt need to win fire making to win the game.
Honorable mention could be the Rob Father keeping his alliance with him 24/7, so that no side plans could be hatched.
@peridiam these are the winners you should include in your next video(s):
Vecepia in Survivor Marquesas for hacking the fallen comrades challenge utilizing her luxury item.
Brian in Survivor Thailand for downplaying his personality.
Fabio in Survivor Nicaragua for making himself look dumber than he was.
Gabler in Survivor 43 for hiding in plain sight.
I was just thinking about Gabler, he played like Tony and was WAY under the radar, nobody considered him a threat even once and he ended up winning the game.
I loved that fake idol Bob made. It was so cool looking! He's so smart and was so enjoyable to watch on Survivor!
Oh! This looks interesting!!
I'm gonna be a mixture of all 5 strategies if/when i make it on the show.
Already have a plan to have someone attempt to cut my hair with the machete to show them that they have my trust! 😂😂
The only way Richard and Erica will only be mentioned in the same video!
Because Erika is also from the season 1 just like him, because we dropped the 4, remember?
@@odilioferro Oh Yeah! Drop The 4! But he won because he played survivor she won because she was a woman!
@@MPM23-m2g she had more control in the game compared to Deshawn and Xander. The Shan split vote and the Danny vote (everybody wants Deshawn out except for her)
@@krystmartinez Control of what exactly! The hourglass twist! I’m sorry but for me personally Survivor 41 is the worst season of the new era and of the worst season ever!
@@MPM23-m2g I just said what she did in the game lol.. you're mind is so closed.. or too busy rooting for a white guy.. probably because they showed too much of Xander's shenanigans than Erika's strategic confessionals( I don't want to bring up race or gender but you did it first.. I just want to show you, it goes both ways). Anyway, Deshawn was a messy player and Xander did nothing to control the votes. (The steal an idol thing was Evvie's idea). Having said that, I agree 41 was boring and the story arch of the players was disaster.
Yeah Frani really screwed that up, I remember thinking to myself while watching why isn’t she losing this now that she has safety, terrible job on her part
This was a great video. Happy Fibonacci day tomorrow everyone ❤
I love when my favorite survivor player finds the American immunity idol
can you do an update top 10 or even top 15 most chaotic tribal councils ever
I will never go on Survivor but I always had a strategy I would use that has some psychology and observation involved
yay new video
Great video!
Another proof that Erika is the best winner of the modern era
If anyone wants to know more about the Nash equilibrium, watch the movie A Beautiful Mind
I feel bad for cirie bc if she had won she would be here 5 times lol
Jeremy Collins better be on the list!
Why? He’s a great player but what did he hack?
meat shield strategy hasn't been done as well before or since@@MPM23-m2g
one of the greatest pre game strategies ever and one of the few that actually mattered and wasn't just a crigney tagline like
@@itzwakk335 The Meat Shield Strategy Or Something Else?
meat shield@@MPM23-m2g
It's true erica is a mid winner she wasn't great at anything in survivor against a vlachos,or a sarah
Xander fangirls are still bitter years after 🥱
I’m going to regret saying this, but the green outlines on the P and the M in the Perdiam logo should just be smooth and not have those edges. Offset path in illustrator sadly isn’t perfect :(
I agree that they could be straight. On the other hand, I think it's there to create an elevation to the texte
Careful everyone. Season 1 spoilers 😂
huh? What do you mean, a video about survivor winners spoils the winners? Say it isn't so!
I am once again asking you to please not put spoilers in your video thumbnails. Not everybody has seen every season yet. (It's me, I haven't seen every season yet.)
That Erika “strategy” was stupid guaranteed that made no difference
Nobody was threatened by her no matter what she did
It’s kinda reminiscent of Tyson in BvW who continued to tell his alliance to keep splitting votes despite him having the idol, yeah it was overall pointless but it led to a lot of the cast giving up on the social scrambling in favor of idol scrambling.
We never saw it really fail, and it had potentially next to no impact
xander foolishly took her to the final three because he didnt want her to have fire making on her resume even though she didnt need it. everyone was always talking about how much of a threat erika was from the f8 onwards yet she only ever had two votes cast against her. so i’d say she it worked pretty well for her benefit.
@@deadwaves4115you must have forgotten that half the edit for 41 was people constantly talking about how scared they were of erika
Erica is not a great winner!
Casual
@@willmiddleton913 Nope! I just don’t see her gameplay as revolutionary or even great she would’ve been eliminated in all the season! Put her any season in 20s or 30s she will won’t win! I understand why she won I’m just not happy about it!
@@MPM23-m2g maybe she is but the edit from cbs was just so bad that we’ll never know I mean she had to do something in order win right?
@@supremeleader7863 Be An Woman! If you ask some people!
@@willmiddleton913 Yeah, I actually think Erika is the best player of the new era. It would have been nice if she had gotten a more visible edit, but when I look at her entire game, it's quite impressive.