The Cybercab - Tesla's autonomous driving DELUSION | MGUY Australia
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- There is a huge gap between the sugar-high excitement of Elon Musk and his Cybercab, and the realities of self-driving or autonomous vehicles - it will be DECADES before they're safe... My advice? Don't get in one.
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The best one was self driving cars stopping when a person wearing a stop t-shirt
To be fair, we're talking about machine learning here. Eventually the AI will be able to tell the difference between a human wearing a stop sign and an actual stop sign. A human driver would've obviously been able to spot the difference. If they were in FSD mode in a Tesla and they noticed it couldn't tell the difference, they'd report the incident directly from the car in order to teach the AI. Waymo doesn't even have drivers in their cars anymore which is absolutely insane.
Why not wear a 55mph truck speed sign and see if it goes through you and make it on News
I once had a foreign student staying with me and she offered to walk my dog around the neighborhood. I live in a hilly suburban area with a lot of twisting curving roads looping around in rather intricate unpredictable ways. Soon the student was hopelessly lost, but the dog dutifully led her around the neighborhood, returning when the dog was ready to return (more than an hour). The student was expecting maybe half that time, so she got quite the workout up and down the hills and the dog got her way, visiting all her favorite spots. 😂. The student did not offer to walk the dog again, however, since she realized she was walking a Fully Autonoumos Dog.
That's funny. All pedestrians interested in their safety should consider wearing a STOP t-shirt 😉
@@WolfHeathen Well, just stand in front of the car and it will stop. Easy to rob the people in the car with no way to drive away.
Here in Phoenix, AZ, U.S., we have a bunch of those Waymo "self driving" cars. They have been involved in a number of accidents, fortunately none of them fatal or involving serious injuries (yet) But still the government allows them on the streets. Local cops hate them.
Makes you wonder who would be responsible if someone is run over. Could the owners of the company that made them, the vehicle owner or the software designers be charged with manslaughter like a human driver could in a similar situation?
Yep, I live in Chandler. I’m a longtime motorcycle rider and I stay as far the f**k away from those stupid things as I can.
@@harleyrdr1 Interesting. I also live in Chandler, not too far from Dobson and Warner, and am also a lifelong motorcycle rider. I agree with you completely.
I could have sworn a while back a bicyclist perished when hit by one-I recall it was either a Volvo suv or Chrysler minivan?
@@FrankTimms-cs5hl There were actually two times that it happened.
Once was a woman pushing her bike across the street. She was hit (and died) by an Uber being tested in self drive mode, with a person in the driver seat who wasn't paying attention.
A Waymo also hit a cyclist (who was injured) at an intersection.
Yeah - my dad would always say- tech for driverless cars more complex than flying to the moon. Too many variables to consider
"Flying to the moon" once included massive volumes of empty space, now, not so much with thousands of artificial satellites and ever more "space junk accumulating".
There's more tech in the average washing machine now, than there was in the Apollo 11 spacecraft.
"At least we got rid of those pesky, ultra-reliable, easily-replaceable, inexpensive mechanical timer switches and replaced them with expensive computer modules that are more challenging for the average homeowner to obtain." - Almost Every Current Washing Machine Manufacturer
@@JohnMcClain-p9t Interesting to note the same people complaining we need to recycle more are completely silent - when it comes to hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of possibly-recyclable eWaste orbiting us (and occasionally crashing to Earth).
@@dashcamandy2242 "Oh but it's just orbiting in empty space!" I've also heard of lots of "recycling" being dumped in dumps. Trust me, they really care about us!
The automation part is easy. What is hard is dealing with an unpredictable environment.
Automatic pilots for planes are 110 years old. Automatic pilots for sailing ships are about 200 years old.
In 2000 we had automatic tractor steering for working in fields.
All those are simple because they have constrained environments. I worked on some of those in 2003 or so.
Driving around a movie studio complex does not impress me at all.
Bring back Johnny Cabs. I love it when you refuse to pay and it throws a tantrum. :D j
With how there is a deliberate agenda to turn Western society into juvenile mentality.... it seems Total Recall was following that trend to a possible conclusion.
About as safe as getting into a car with a drunk driver.
I would rather drive myself home drunk than get into one of those human experiments
A drunk is far more likely to get you home safely compared to how ineffective AI driving is right now.
It would be safer to drive your car blindfolded rather than one of these computer controlled abominations one small glitch and you could be hurled into a crowd of people or head long into oncoming traffic oh the joys of the future they will have to take my pickup from my cold dead hands.
I hate the argument about ride-sharing / renting based on the idea that a car spends 90% of the time parked.
Yeah, any given pair of underwear spends most of its time in my wardrobe - why don’t I rent those out? 🤮
Minus the skid marks hopefully 😎😎
@@davewatson2124They will come back with skid marks.
Your underwear doesn’t cost $40k genius.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s Might be, could be made from unicorn hair for all you know.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s So what?
My house cost 80k, and i'm not renting it out for the 8hrs a day i'm at work.
It's a really stupid idea, as you're putting more wear and tear on the vehicle, don't know who's going to be taking it for a spin, when or if it'll be returned, if it'll have an empty tank when returned, if you have a personal emergency and need to leave, and do you even consider the liability?
That's just part of the considerations of this monumentally stupid idea.
Until battery technology improves I’m not plunking my ass down on top of a huge ass Lithium Ion battery. No way, not gonna happen. I’ll f**king walk.
Dumb, half blind, incendiary robot IEDs
You walk then, you prolly need it anyways.
If they can jam drone signals, they can jam autonomous vehicle signals as well.
Gov have backdoors in ALL smart cars.
Exactly. If you are willing to spend circa 500 dollars for a 10 band wireless jammer, the party starts.
Dude, the cars don’t need the internet to run. It’s all done from the cars computer.
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217I would have loved to see someone jamming the final to the Tesla bots.
All you have to do is put a traffic cone on the hood of the car to disable the autonomous cars. The videos are pretty funny.
Johnny cabs? No thanks. I saw how that turned out in Total Recall.
Ikr! Lmao...
In Total Recall they were seeding us a taste of possible scenarios if science fantasy/fiction was not, yet it still presents a realty of how in general, if we relinquish control of a conveyance to a software designer's whims, surely it portends a fatal future.
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 Predictive programming.
I WANT JOHNNY CABS :)
He should make a couple would be awesome advertising , everyone would cover it.
I never put my ass in an EV. With or without a steering wheel. Only the word cyber makes me sick....
Don't put your ass in any EV. Stay safe.
Would you like to know what the word "cyber" actually _[etymologically]_ means?
Snowflake. First of all, EVs burn 20 times less than ICE. Second, autonomous driving will be unsupervised only when it will be 100x safer than human driving. Statistics show that humans with Tesla FSD assistance are now 10 times safer than just human drivers.
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Try try try it’s not working the future is here and you can deny it all you want. Routinely make 2 to 3 hour trips door to door with ZERO interventions. But keep it up you guys are really 🤡🤡🤡
Notice they had the launch at a closed movie studio lot and the cars were all travelling at a maximum of a few miles an hour. Never the less the people in the crowd were clapping/screeching like a bunch of trained monkeys.
You have to be a trained monkey to go to pay for traveling to those unveil events in the first place in the day and age where it can all just be broadcast live.
Paid monkeys 🥲
That's cause they were getting paid. If you pay people enough they will even clap for kumala
They were trained monkeys. Usually adult by age but prepubescent in maturity. The sort that believe any tech they are shown. Remember when they went wild at Musks android proposal launch a few years ago when it was only a man in a tight fitting leotard.
@@michaelrichter8204😂😂👍👍
Was a passenger in a Tesla last year, on a motorway at 70mph, dull but dry day. The wipers came on. A bug was squashed on the camera. Wipers just kept going. Turning them off is a two stage menu operation, not safe at any speed on a motorway, with the driver unfamiliar with the car. A simple issue, but doesn't look good for self driving.
It's such a waste of time, energy, resources etc.... pure green-mania eu-topian dreams.
Why wouldn’t it be voice operated?
@@D-B-Cooper Is it? Isn't it? Do you know something about Teslas that suggests it should be? Or are you assuming such a feature should exist? We were not aware that that might be an option with that Tesla, and the briefing about the vehicles I received some time before never mentioned such a possibility.
What does a self driving vehicle that relies on cameras, do when it is foggy? Or in a snow storm?
would also be interesting when things that us human feel goes wrong, like a puncture, or that something feels sloopy in the suspension suddenly.
good one
@@AndrewTSq I guess it could have tire pressure monitors for that. Would need a lot of different sensors for things that we as drivers can figure out.
I would like to see a self driving vehicle go through a construction zone where there are people holding a stop or slow sign. And with lots of pylons or other obstacles. One zone near me makes you zig zag back and forth to the opposite side of the road to get around the construction. And it can change from day to day, so no GPS navigation can be used.
@@my3dviews yeah maybe, the last couple of cars I have had, have the "low cost" implementation of tire pressure monitors which does not work that good since they give a lot of false positives. I think they calculate rolling radius thru the abs sensors, and when the temperature goes from +18 to 0 degrees on a day, it will starts to warn when nearing 0 degrees. But the sign thing is interesting, Also if the vision system hallucinates and think it sees a slow down sign, and stops on highway.
Or when a bug big and gooey enough to be too much for the wipers and washers splatters on the camera?
Good video.
One more drawback of driverless taxis would be that if it crashes somewhere along an isolated road you will be on your own if you're injured. A taxi driver may help you, lets say, if he's not seriously injured. What if the driverless car crashes at night in a remote location or empty street and you're unconscious?who is gonna help you?
Just get yourself educated. Have you heard of Starlink? I don't like the guy, but if he can connect people in war zone, hurricane zone, he can connect all of his robotaxis.
@@1tuyenp even so,just connections won't work. I ve seen videos of people helping other people to exit a car IMMEDIATELY after a crash.If you're allone and unconscious in a driverless car Starlink wont pull you out of it, believe me.
@@1tuyenpHis comment was not for the call, but to help the person there immediately after the accident.
Who will help him even if the car calls by itself if he is unconscious and bleeding and it takes them 20 minutes to get there.
@@dchubworldsharenetwork So you count on the driver to survive to rescue you? On the other hand a survived driver can get you out, but both can still get stuck in the boonie without cell phone signal. What if the driver is in worse condition? Or it is the taxi rule that the driver would always survive?
Well there's one thing, and that is that no one will steal one
No one ever explained why we need driverless cars? What is the point?
I want to drive my own car, I don't want a computer to decide over my safety.
Some of us prefer the idea of computers driving, than some of the idiots on the road we see every day.
Computers can text while they're driving and they don't drink or take drugs.
I think AI is compared too often with how humans are supposed to drive, as opposed to how they actually drive.
AI might not be up to the best of us, but it is well above the average.
Yeah, agreed with the other commentator... Saving 25,000+ lives every year seems a worthwhile goal. Also, there are plenty of places where rideshare doesn't operate that older people and handicapped people will avoid losing mobility by having an autonomous vehicle...
I don't use public transport, and I don't use taxes / Uber, or whatever. I don't like being in a vehicle I'm not in control of. I will never get in a vehicle without human control!
Have you ever left your country or are you a qualified pilot or ship's Captain or train driver? Do you have control issues?
@csjrogerson2377
Yes
No
No
No
No
I have however driven road-trains from Perth to Melbourn, Sydney and Brisbane and back. I have seen enough of people that can't drive. So I have no interest in putting my life at risk of a computer program, done by people who probably can't drive!
I dunno. Public transport's a bunch safer than driving, and you can read and play games and stuff in transit. Worth a try sometime, if it's available where you are. Up to you though, always.
@@marcuspitts2482 If the first answer was a 'yes', but the others were 'nos', how did you get off Aussie without having someone, other than you 'driving'? I wouldn't advise swimming, those Nobby Clarks can be troublesome.
@csjrogerson2377 I'm almost loathed to point this out. See, these days, we have things called Aeroplanes. And you can fly to other countries with them!
“Straight, long and generally predictable.” - I’m putting that in my dating profile. 😂
Ok,, you win the internet for today,,, good one.
@@AllanT-nu4rw Hurrah! Cheers, buddy.
I'm more crooked, short and unpredictable myself!
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Poor MGUY, if he looks at this thread he’ll be thinking, “What have I started?” 😆
I'd love to see these self-driving cars navigating British roads. We have some very narrow roads full of pot holes with poor visibility, built up towns with tiny access roads where cars pass with inches to spare. What could go wrong?
Most of the former British colonies have what you describe,,,,, only its a lot worse. I always say if you can drive in these places with these road conditions you can master anything on the road. Self driving cars wont stand a chance however.
The cars do great, just go watch videos of FSD in action.
They want to retrieve data from millions of vehicles on these key points and many more. WHERE are they going to store and retrieve the f***g data!?
GIGO....you're dead.
In England, they drive on the left side of the road. In Scotland, they drive on what's left of the road.
The last cab I rode in was to go from DFW Airport to Irvine TX. The driver spoke no English. I actually had to enter my destination into the navigation device. But as we got into Irvine on a freeway, the driver realized he missed the exit. He slammed on the brakes and backed up. Not thinking of going to the next exit, which, in fact was the other end of road my destination was on.
I live in Louisville, and I take Lyft to the airport every now and then, and I’ve never had a driver who speaks English.😢
If underwear cost $50k a pair, and you had high interest on your repayments, you might consider it. LOL
Self driving cars can’t come soon enough.
We used to talk about the blue screen of death when Windows used to crash.
With Tesla only the blue remains an hyperbola.
Death is provided for real.
Survival instincts have reached an historical low.
The reason humans do not make the mistakes of autonomous vehicles is because we have self preservation, if we are unsure we slow down, autonomous vehicles just try to avoid it.
@@tonysheerness2427 No such thing as "self-driving/autonomous" vehicles.
True certainly.
@@tonysheerness2427 Not sure where you get your dumb logic, but HUH????? Autonomous vehicles WILL ALSO SLOW DOWN Also, and MAYBE WILL STOP or AVOID it if it can. Not sure where you get the information you got and spewed it out on this comment section.
@@1flash3571 The accident statistics of these vehicles proves otherwise.
It might be a good sign that investors are seeing his bullshit.
Shares lost $60m on Friday after he showed off this rubbish.
The bus made me laugh - zero ground clearance - how awesome, if the roads are as flat as an ice rink.
The selected crowd are sickening, whooping and cheering. It’s ridiculous.
Don’t worry, most probably at the end he will come out with some refinement like “we have to link more buses together” and “it has to run on rails to avoid bumps”… and at the end Elon will do an event unveiling the “Cybertram”😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@ravenguard1495I Don't trust Elon never have.
Even a simple operation such as automatic lights don’t work in rain, snow, fog etc and the driver who is supposed to be in control doesn’t switch them on manually! We need to instruct drivers how to drive. In the UK I notice many drivers are unable to reverse but they have a licence.
Where I live, at one time the testers had a reputation for failing learners on reversing evenly between the set of poles depicting a parking spot. They were so anal about it that being more to one side by a mere few inches was an instant fail. Naturally as it was a group being tested, the other learners waiting to try their turn all joined in with the instructors adding to the pressure for a fail of the one reversing. Sadly while they focused on that , the real on road testing had so many glaring deficiencies. SMH....
@@AllanT-nu4rw that’s interesting. I’m quite old and the test involved quite a bit of reversing. In London, I understand they only need to reverse out of a parking bay. When they come out into the countryside they are totally screwed when having to reverse 50 or more meters to allow a truck to pass. Let alone when they are towing and usually totally lost.
I'm of the opinion that the more complex something becomes the more built in fail ponts you get. Electrical devices are glitchy, and the more we rely on them the more they bite us in the arse.
@@AllanT-nu4rw I think you are refering to parallel parking, which is a test of your ability to understand the space your car takes up on the road. If you can't maneuver your car at slow speed into a parking stall in reverse it brings to question your ability to maneuver your car in any situation. THats why they did that strict testing. Since that is not tested as rigerously anymore you get lower quality drivers on the road.
What i want to know is, where did i give my consent to participation on this safety trial? I didnt sign up to put my life at risk by sharing the road wirh driverless cars.
PIN THIS!
I did not sign up to put my life at risk by sharing the road with reckless drivers either. Or did I ????
The government doesn't need your consent to put you or your children's lives at risk
Our DOT, and DOJ for that matter, turns a blind eye to anything wrong with any EV. Our institutions have failed us.
@@randylahey1232 Private industry is putting our lives at risk where the government is simply turning a blind eye to it. I hope that clears things up.
I often come across really weird roadworks and I now think to myself when going through these could an auto drive car do this and the answer is usually no chance.
Nah just put a transponder so the car will avoid its signal, like drivers responding to a sign at roadworks lol
@@chasx7062so just add another point of failure for self driving cars?
In reality this would mean adding multiple such transponders marking start of road works, end of road works, and marking on between set intervals. And they have to operate and communicate with all self driving cars from different manufacturers.
The more I think about it, the more complex the problem becomes, and more point of failure are being added to the chain for self driving cars. Not to mention the cost of manufacturing and actually deploying these transponders to every roadwork area... And lest not even talk about the need for them to be running 24/7 for the duration of the roadwork. So have batteries for each? And remember to charge from time to time. Or having an on site power generator running 24/7?
@@mmazvis Mate, at every road works, there will be plenty of road signs to alert human drivers to slow down and avoid hazards, if an accident occurs, cops will direct traffic....its normal action and reaction.... just like we all have apps to detect speed camera locations?
Autonomous vehicles can only ever be reactionary inn nature - recognizing and then responding to what they interpret in the world around them. Whereas human drivers are typically looking and thinking ahead - anticipating - relating previous experiences and considering possibilities. In Australia: "I've seen 'roos crossing here before, and there are dead ones beside the road. Maybe I'll slow down and keep my wits about me." How could a chunk of (human crafted) code ever hope to think across all these dimensions simultaneously?
"We think, perhaps to dream" Of course dreams are memories of life experiences, coupled with what we believe could be.
Well, your example of a "known roo area" is actually easy to imagine. Just as Waze keeps a short term memory of reported hazards, one can easily imagine a longer term persistent database of hazards, available to the AI as the car proceeds.
An autonomous vehicle can certainly anticipate hazards and react accordingly. Right now, the Tesla FSD appears to be disconnected from the navigation system... So it doesn't seem to anticipate situations the navigation database might flag. It really seems like the FSD relies almost exclusively on what the cameras are seeing.
Still, these systems are in their infancy, so I would chalk up the shortcomings you mention to how new these systems are, not to what is or is not possible.
Robotaxi - no driver, but a guy with remote control and/or kill switch on every stretch of the street.
My guess is that the robotaxi does not incorporate the kill switch as required by law in 2024+ vehicles. I’m certain Tesla can brick every Tesla, but I’m skeptical that they would comply with that law.
I wonder how one of those would do on a Florida highway right now!
Just like that film by Obama where a cyberattack made the US go dark , if they still have charge that is.
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Hum, it's time to take a bath,
What about inclement weather when sensors can become obscured or covered with snow and ice?
Has Elon been watching the Jetsons again
Perhaps Total Recall... and other similar science fantasy/fiction movies.
No, he’s just lying. Same as always.
It's a big NOPE to all of it from me.
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Agreed
Great work MGUY , keep spreading the truth.
What do they do with retractable bollards? Any thoughts?
We aren't even able to automate trains, which is a million times simpler. How anyone would entrust their life to a technology that comes with a million liability disclaimers is beyond me. If it was safe they would simply hire an insurance company and stand behind their product to build confidence in a new product.
Trains in airports, subway trains all over the world etc... don't seem to have anyone operate them. On the other hand, I don't know how anyone would step into an airplane seeing there's nothing under them. Yes, I know millions have flown them to show their reliability. Well there are millions FSD miles as well. But if you don't want to get your feet wet, then don't.
@@1tuyenp In the context of our discussion we are talking about automation that is capable of doing the job of a human train operator on existing rails, being able to drive the train anywhere on the rail network. The trains you are referring to can't do anything even close and have the level of sophistication equivalent to an elevator. Just like elevators they can only operate in a tightly controlled environment built specifically for these trains. Just like an elevator it has no ability to share it's tracks with any other trains, deal with any ground level crossings or using any other train tracks outside it's own system. The trains are simple automation and aren't capable to dealing any obstruction, such as debris or if a person is on the tracks.
To use these trains the entire rail system is engineered and built for them. A self contained system that must always have a continuous obstruction free path (underground or above ground. To avoid debris or killing a person that ended up on the tracks the stations require walls with a second set of doors exactly as you see with elevators, having two doors.
@@jimk3 It looks like you are moving the goal post. You said we can't even automate trains. Then I pointed out that there are tons of different kinds of trains from airport trains to subway to bullet trains all over the world. Maybe they have not automate the old trains in the US. But if they could automate bullet trains all over the world, they could have automate trains in the US. Maybe they might have to redesign the tracks, the platforms. But trains are not that difficult when you can control the environment. But for cars, you should really get a Tesla with FSD. You will be amazed how it deals with various things on the road: cars, trucks, obstacles, padestrians. Waymo, Mercedes systems can operate in tightly controlled environments like you said. But Tesla FSD is something else. It seems to be designed to deal with anything at it. You just have to experience it yourself. Until you do, I don't think you can comprehend how far self driving have gone.
@@1tuyenp Well I guess you woudl consider a car driving around a closed off parking lot as self driving then. The goal post didn't move, you just cited a bad example by not thinking about it. If you want to consider those legitimate self driving trains, so be it.
@@1tuyenpFSD averages 13 miles between human intervention. That is several orders of magnitude short of what is needed.
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EV's meet AI the two biggest failure's of our time, what could possibly go wrong 🤣
Birds, bollards and balls (bouncing into the road 😂) - just a few more things that might confuse driverless cars 😆
true... even blindingly bright flashlights and bright laser pointeers.
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 Yes, absolutely 👍
RUclips temporarily modified your comment by hot-linking “bollards” so that I can go buy bollards using the link. But then they were gone. YT is a mess.
The musk delusion has reached it peak with this one.
Kinda like the professional gambler, but he stops when all the money is gone, and no one to lend him more. "Thank government for all it takes in taxes, and then gives away".
The guy is completely nuts, he should be in jail with a straitjacket on.
Not just other traffic, pedestrians, street signs and impromptu road work. Sleet, ice, wind, freezing rain and snow that covers all road paint. Many LED traffic lights can't melt the snow, so they can be completely obscured.
It’s AI, do you think if that was an issue they’d have done something? 🤦♂️
@@user-ln7of9gs4s Yes, like banning autonomous vehicles from public roads.
Legislation must be brought in that makes the car manufacturer liable for damage caused by self driving cars. A minimum liability should be imposed such as £1m minimum per death, minimum of £250k per injury.
It probably takes someone dying and Elon being held accountable before the madness stops.
FSD cars with drivers present already kill people and driverless taxis have hit cyclists and pedestrians, resulting in death already. The safety of the general public doesn't seem to matter to the "technology at any cost" crowd.
Which will never happen. He is too wealthy. And his cult is too dedicated to allow that to happen.
What Musk appears to be arguing is that there will always be deaths, but with his technology there will be far fewer overall. Even if this happens to be true the dead’s relatives will still have their day in court, and the lawyers will be arguing population statistics. Perhaps a portion of Tesla’s profits should go into an escrow fund to pay compensation, without question, when such incidents occur.
My Tesla 3 LR drives me from my office in Arlington out to Leesburg,Va using highways and suburban roads daily. No issues
No issues until one of the Chinesium electronic components controlling the vehicle decides to self-destruct.
Think of all the money he will save by omitting the steering wheel and the brake pedal.
I see much more $$ spent in lawsuits, i could be in error.
Every penny counts.
*brake*. Braking is what you do to avoid breaking.
As Star Trek Chief Engineer Scott said: "The more they complicate the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."
What a pile of BS. Those monkeys in the crowd ALL own an iPhone, garenteed! The level of cringe was astronomical.
Self driving cars will never be able to make a moral judgement like avoid a child or crash!
EXACTLY! the programming is based on the cultural norms of the programmer. For example, Japanese culture reveres the elderly, while Americans value children more. Who decides what is right?
False. They do it all the time. If you watched the presentation, you’d know. These cars are being summoned in parking lots with no driver inside the vehicle.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s So a self driving car would choose to destroy itself rather than kill a child on the road? I doubt that very much.
Solar City - Bankrupt
Hyperloop - Shelved
Tesla Semi - Delayed
Cybertruck - Garbage
Robotaxi - Pie in the Sky
Tesla EV - Missed rev est by 4%,8% and 16% over the last three quarters.
RUclips changed the words in your post to become hot links so that I could go purchase a type or cyber truck or a robotaxi.
And now they are gone, after i replied.
RUclips just can’t help itself on screwing with the GUI and making it worse every chance it gets and then plastering over its errors, like it did right there.
and thats just tesla, its same lies over at Space X. The guy should really be in jail
And yet there are people that still like Elon.
@@julieta203why? Because he is doing so good?
@@markseehawer3762and yet there’s people that still like you. 🤔
Autonomous vehicles will NEVER be able to cope with the numerous hazards of narrow country lanes with their flooded potholes, indeterminate road boundaries, rocks very close to the road concealed in overgrown grass verges, and a carriageway too narrow to allow two vehicles to easily pass.
I want one of these cybercab in the chaotic streets of New Delhi.
They'll fit right in 😇they have AI (Ambitious Indian)
What a torrent of videos that would produce due to how many crashes would happen.
Humans usually have "self preservation" built in, usually makes you stop when in danger of harm, even when enclosed in the steel of a car.
Anybody remember Isaac Asimov's
Three Laws of Robotics? (1942)
1)A robot may not injure a human being,or by inaction,
allow a human being to come to harm.
2)A robot must obey orders given to it by human beings,
except where such orders would conflict with the first law.
3)A robot must protect it's own existence as long as such protection
does not conflict with the first or second law.
It seems ethics exist only in fiction.
Ethics also vary from culture to culture. For example, Japan values the elderly, while Americans value children more. It's not a question of who is right or wrong but a conundrum for the programmers. This is why self driving cars will ultimately fail.
@fredsilva7274 6es Americans value children more hence gunshot being the leading cause of death of school kids
Well, they couldn't use the word 'Crash' in the 'Shares Fall' story... I'm happy with my own self steering car where I get in, close the door, and steer it myself.
When I'm on freeway, my Tesla often complains that I drive too close to one side of the lane or the other. I didn''t realize that before with other cars. But with the Tesla I can see that I do move from one side of the lane to the other. So I got tired of the Tesla dinging me, I let it drive itself. Boy did it keep the car exactly in the middle of the lane like on rail. I'm not saying a Tesla would be better than you drive yourself, and if driving on the freeway is just about keeping the car in the middle of the lane, but I just want to let you know what I experienced.
No steering wheel and no pedals how will they be loaded onto the ships or the trucks for delivery
What if it gets befuddled by something and just stops. How can it be manually driven out?
Autonomous vehicles will work if:- 1. They are moving slowly. 2. They are following a predicted path. 3. There are no other vehicles operation in the vicinity.
A good example of this is the use of agricultural machinery in fields. This technology is developing fast and has vast potential.
An autonomous car meets non of the above criteria so is very unlikely to be of any value for the foreseeable future.
Keep up the good work MGUY.
They are already on the road to late.
Meanwhile, Tesla still cannot get its vehicles to navigate its Vegas tunnel on their own.
My concern is when you automate any device tractor or other wise you eliminate jobs. You do enough of this and you will have a negitive impact on the economy. IT is getting harder for low skilled labour to find work now. How's this going to look in the future. Who is going to pay for all these job losses when you continuely shrink your tax base?
@@markseehawer3762 I agree, but you could have said the same thing about the development of the water powered spinning frame by Richard Arkwright in the 1760's. There has been a steady loss of unskilled and semi skilled labour in farming over the past 100 years, but this has to some extent been replaced by more skilled jobs in agricultural sciences and engineering.
@@sunjun222 As with many things of late such, as AI, EV's and all that is associated with the obsession for net-zero, politicians are trying to force people to adopt different behaviors, not by explaining or demonstrating they are more convenient or less expensive, but by force. Unfortunately, in a democratic society this method won't work.
Road safety should always come well before profits, but these days it comes a well second.
I can see in the future where a cybercab is running over pedestrians while the interior smells like one of those famous red London phone booths.
Well i would say that if the vehicle has no driver inputs then any accidents they are involved in are 100% on Tesla, since unlike their "fully self-driving" system which still says the driver must remain alert that wouldn't be an option so the occupants or owner of the car have no control over how it is driven
The current forecast for fully autonomous vehicles without any human input is the year 2070. We are a long way off yet.
Until recently I shared your view, although I was thinking more like 2050. Having upgraded my Model 3 self driving computer last month, and doing a lot of longer ( 200 mile ) trips, I'd say the progress in the FSD stack surprised me. If Tesla can keep up the current rate of improvement, FSD by the end of the decade might not be impossible...
It's a suicide pod on wheels. Except when it's in Terminator mode.
Yes! Terminator mode would actually be "self" destruction. _[it's not a living being to be a self.]_
They are already on the road in certain states. Other companies already drive automatically.
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 The suicide is the passenger choosing to get in in the first place.
Who pays the insurance for self driving cars? The owner says I wasn't driving it, I just own it.
If you mean true self driving level 5 cars, clearly at the point the car drives itself without requiring human monitoring or intervention, the company that sells the self driving feature needs to stand behind it. At that point, if the car causes a crash, the AI company has to be liable.
The safety regulators are paranoid about safety of driver less trains on tracks.Can you imagine the safety implications and the complexities of driverless cars.
A couple things... Trains transport a lot of hazardous materials such that even one train wreck can have catastrophic results. Cars... they crash every day. And in this day and age, people walk away from some terrible crashes with minor or no injuries. So, the bar to exceed current car safety rates is pretty darn low. Trains are pretty darn safe, so the bar is a lot higher. Just like airplanes - nobody would accept developments that put us back at the accident rate of the 40s and 50s...
Self driving vehicles are a mysanthrope's dream.😮
Those Waymo's are also based on recalled for fire issue Jaguar i-paces. Plus with the reputable build quality of Tesla's i would dread going in a completely automated one.
Cornell University was one of the first to study automobile safety in depth, back in the 1950's, so they have a very weighty opinion on the likelihood of self-driving cars. Not likely.
These will work perfectly! In his Las Vegas “HyperLoop.”
3 years in operation and the cars are still driven by humans.
@@maifantasia3650 I was being sarcastic. They delete my comets if I use a sarcasm tag or funny face thing.
Waymo has many teams standing by to drive to a befuddled vehicle and drive it manually. There’s no way to do that without a steering wheel. It will be years or decades before this is approved.
I thought that Waymo could also operate the vehicle remotely, like when it becomes confused and stuck? There are already construction vehicles which can be driven remotely, so that the automation can handle the easy parts, and a human can drive remotely during the complicated or dangerous parts.
I also thought there were several companies working on similar technology for 18 wheel trucks?
I'm thinking that autonomous vehicles need a big red "stop everything" button which brings a customer service human driver into the loop...
Autonomous vehicles are about two ideals in America, relative to Large Cities, where most Hegelians reside
1- Total Government control, think Ayn Rand “Atlas Shrugged” as this accurately represents the Hegelians currently controlling Washington DC
2- The elite who desire their own personal mode of transportation, unassociated with current smelly, germ infested cabs and commuter trans (cattle cars), and roadway jammed traffic. Something along the lines of Star Trek. The neat, perfect, city utopia.
The reality, autonomous cars will become another congestion point to an already overly congested city. Moving, enclosed, temperature controlled sidewalks would be more useful. You could even fit them with sleeping bunks, showers and soup kitchens to accommodate the homeless, and mini police stations to thwart criminals. The other solution is to deploy Sky Trams at various elevations, to key, high traffic points.
Ah yes, the delights of the 15 Minute Cities, where people will be unable to leave- without permission from their Lords and Masters, oh sorry I meant "elected leaders." I'm sure it'll be paradise; I'm also very glad that I'm old & won't ever have to live in such a marvelous place!
When AI enthusiasts say "learning," that really is just memorization of existing events, real or artificially created. Some human learning involves rote memory, like studying for an exam, but most human learning occurs from real-world events and experiences - from living. All animal brains are capable of generalization, and a gazelle doesn't need a prior experience of a particular lion to recognize that it is a lion and, in the words of that Kenny Rogers song about gambling, the gazelle knows when to walk away and it knows when to run.
Just look at the "jonny cab", in the film Total Recall for a glimpse of the future.
I saw that video about a self driving tram in Australia that they said had a perfect record...at 20kph...on a single route never changing, with no other traffic than pedestrians who could outrun it.
What about the Indian girl driving her brothers tesla in Malvern a few years ago and hitting a nurse getting off the tram at cabrini hospital. The Indian girl has been jailed. The poor victim is suffering still
Shouldn't the car have been jailed instead of the Indian girl? She was just sitting in this self-driving car, wasn't she? I'm sorry for both victims here.
At least the Indian girl isn't driving in the cell.
They should make the Cybercab pass a full driving test first. Practical and theory.
All technology can be defeated they all have their flaws. There are youtube videos on how to beat thermal imaging cameras, how to be hidden and not seen. Human eyes have flaws and reflections and poor light we see things that are not there. At certain angle of the sun, as it goes down, smooth tarmacadam looks like a mirror. I should imagine, mist, smoke, fog, heat haze, particulates in the air all affect the sensors of self driving vehicles.
Self driving cars do not belong on public roads as they are a danger to all... The can for example not understand hand signals or instructions given by emergency personnel directing traffic in an emergency, they just ignore them and drive around them no matter what signals they give or instructions they are given. That ALONE is reason enough for a driver to be sent to jail, for a long time !!!
It's not a bad shape. Just needs a 3.2L V6, manual box, steering wheel and 3 pedals and he could be on to a winner. But we have self driving cars right now, they are called taxis and they are driven by humans.
Finally someone who knows how to use "self" in the deceptive term "self-driving" .... i call them SGCs / Software Guided Conveyances.
Another two cylinders in that block and were on a winner.
Go back to 1989.
@@davewatson2124 Gets a bit front heavy with a V8. Let's keep the weight down and make it nimble. Or we could go with a high revving 2 litre. When I look at that shape I just think Datsun 240Z or 260Z and that was borrowed from somewhere else. I forget where.
@@thehairygolfer Fair enough. It's just that i love the rumble of the V8 sound.
A two seat passenger taxi is about as useful as the rope handled hammer.😂😂😂
and as a feature comes with spontaneous combustion
The great advantage of having an actual person at the steering wheel is that humans have the in-built biological imperative of self-preservation. Computers not so much.
For almost a decade now tesla owners have heard their own cars could be used as robot taxis, and now Elon Musk will have a robot taxi in 3 year, i do not understand, the overall idea was to use the tesla as a robot taxi while we did not use our car, and now we must buy an additional car designed for a special purpose!?
What is going on!?
That was a lie to pump stock. Elon's fraudulent house of cards is on the verge of collapse.
I heard him say something along the lines of "blah blah robotaxi and of course your model 3 and Ys". I took it to mean "your vehicle purpose built to act as an autonomous taxi, and also the vehicles I've been promising this for the last 10 years".
The real question is why anyone would give any credence to him on schedule for autonomy. I think it will happen, maybe by the end of the decade, but I don't give any credence to Elon's predicted timetable. When it actually ships, I'll consider it, until then it's something interesting to keep an eye on..
If one was having a few in the local pub, and you called a robo-cab. One would be deemed to be in charge of the vehicle.
I'm actually considering buying an electric vehicle and I'm fairly certain it will be an excellent choice.
I'm sick of having to bend over and fill the tank of my lawnmower every time I mow the lawn and I like the idea of a ride on mower that I only need plug in and prey it doesn't burn my house down so I think I'll buy it a dog house to live in that's made of metal and positioned well away from anything that can burn.
The best thing about this kind of electric vehicle is when it runs out of charge you're already home.
I hope you can afford four lawnmowers then: The electric one costs twice as much, and it'll soon develop a fault which will cost as much to fix as a new mower...
😂😂😂👍👍👍
@@pistonburner6448 I was going to give a joke answer but as I can barely afford a normal ride on and don't really have a need I will heed your advice.
However a local supermarket chain is having a specially on push type electric mowers that is actually tempting especially as it takes the same battery packs as my other power tools.
@@anomamos9095 What the woke democrats do nowadays is use their new slave class, the immigrants, give them a pair of scissors or scythe (if they're lucky), and say: "Get to work!"
@@pistonburner6448 👍👍
Years ago, I worked for the Department of Motor Transport and got involved in a workshop on the legal implications of sel-driving cars. I expect it will take far longer to get the legal problems solved than developing a "safe" driverless car.
I just read an article about how the California police are not exactly loving their new Tesla Y model cars😂😂😂
Making cops drive EVs is fantastic 😂
I just read a post about how people are not loving their 5.3 liter engines blowing up because of poor quality.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s its because of poor quality like you said. No one wants that in ANY car. But they WANT a gas truck and NOT an EV truck is the point.
You’re funny, I thought I was watching SNL .
Cybercrap
What will a robotaxi do at a guard booth for a gated community or a restricted facility?
what about the humans what are we going to do for jobs
More interesting jobs, hopefully.
To repeat myself, there are still not autonomous trains that run on rails and timetables.
You're wrong. Sydney opened a driverless metro service only recently. I'm pretty sure it's not a world first.
I don't believe he believes it. He just needs to give the pumpers something to pump.
Since AI came into the picture, full self driving has improved 10X fold. It drives just like a human, only better.
@@user-ln7of9gs4sI've been using FSD on my Model 3 for the last month. I agree that it has improved tremendously in just the last year and hopefully that trend will continue ( although they broke it on the latest release, to the point that I won't use it until they drop a new release ).
In some ways Tesla has done a very good job of making it drive like a human. That said, I don't think you can say it drives like a human. There are cases where it drives more like a human than it used to, but plenty where it doesn't. It still makes silly mistakes and there's lots of situations it can't handle. But it's much improved from 5 years ago when it used to try to kill me every 5 minutes.
On the subject of Elon, I agree that he seems to fib a lot, in ways that sure appear to be designed to keep the stock price up.. But that's nothing new...
I just drove into my local town, only a couple of miles. I had to interact with other drivers. I let a car out of a junction. Stopped to allow another pass in the other direction due to parked cars on his side. I had to get out of a junction and was allowed across a steady steam of traffic by another driver stopping. How do you interact with no driver in the other car?
I've been using FSD in my ( 6 year old ) Tesla for the last month. My experience so far in the situations you describe are, FSD doesn't currently stop and let someone else proceed out of politeness. It will do that, for instance, at a 4 way stop. ( Because the law requires it? ).
It will happily yield when it has to, and will wait in situations where it doesn't have the right of way, or there is no safe way to proceed. It will creep forward in some cases until it determines it's safe to go.
If anything, it's a little too cautious at times for Massachusetts drivers, with people behind me becoming impatient. That's probably the right way to do it. ( I use the "normal" setting for aggressiveness, BTW.)
In general, I would say this part of the system works quite well, if sometimes driving like a timid older driver. There are plenty of other situations if doesn't handle as well, but if they continue making the progress they have in the last year, I think it may be level 5 by the end of the decade... Or there abouts...
As for how YOU interact with an autonomous car, clearly you can't make eye contact. However the Tesla does seem to act "human" in quite a few situations, so I think that if you drive the way you normally do, without trying to make eye contact, you'll find the FSD car acting like you would expect a human driver to act. If you slow down and wave at it, it probably won't take advantage of your polite gesture, but if you follow the rules of the road, it will usually do what you expect. And if you cut it off, it won't give you the finger and start cursing at you.
Anyone who thinks they can go to Mars should not be taken seriously.
Anyone who hasn’t read the news or understands how successful SpaceX, or how smart Elon Musk is, is should not be taken seriously.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s Musk is a current day version of Richard Branson. A scam artist.
@@rumdriven8259More like PT Barnum.
@@user-ln7of9gs4sNo human is going to Mars in your lifetime. That's a certainty.
Yeah, gotta agree with the doubters here... Look at the ( kinda silly ) number of launches to get enough fuel in orbit for one trip to the moon. Mars? Insane. ( Also I'm in the Venus not Mars camp ).
I agree with the idea that humanity needs to get onto multiple rocks to insure our survival... But the time frame to get to Mars ( or Venus ) is much much longer than the average person imagines.
That said, at the rate NASA was moving, it was never going to happen. At least Space X has given us a nudge in the right direction. Extra-Earth will happen, but it's probably at least 100 years away. Medical science will change what it means to be human before we colonize any planets.
Will all passengers be required to wear bright yellow and black all in one tunics, complete with matching head coverings and gloves?
How are we also sure that you sir are not autonomous AI yourself? man's been staring at my soul the entire video with his purple ai eyes.
Considering the performance of Tesla's Autopilot, there is no way I would ever get into a driverless cyber taxi. I still struggle to understand why anyone would want a driverless vehicle. 🤔🤔🤷♂️🤷♂️
Because you're elderly and you've lost your license but still need to get to the market for food?
Because you've been to the bar with a couple of friends from work, and now 2 beers later you don't want to go to jail if you get pulled over for DUI...
Because you're on a long trip and you're fatigued but your schedule demands that you can't stop to sleep...
Because you're handicapped in a way that prevents you from driving...
I could probably think of a few more if I took the time to think about it...
I operated a Grader with switch on automation which worked by signal from the satellites. It kept dropping out dew to trees overhead and you had to move the machine five metres before it knew where it was on the job. If you didn't move when you switched it on it would try to bury the blade into the ground lifting the front wheels high into the air. It was set at the correct grading depth. It was a mongral so I swithed it off and continued manually. 🙄
We're not even safe on the pavements anymore.
Is there such a shortage of people that we need self driving taxis?
No, just a shortage of corporations willing to pay a living wage.
As a person old enough to remember the infamous Microsoft Blue Screen Of Death and the rash of Chinese-made defective electronic components, I cannot see self-driving anything (cars, trucks, semis, drones, etc.) being viable until a self-diagnosing AI has been perfected, which isn't going to happen any time soon. Like electric vehicles and the hurdles they face, self-driving vehicles are simply not ready for prime time.
A glaring contradiction, amongst many, is the seeming provision of a cheaper Tesla in the taxi format, while failing to provide/mention an investor expected cheaper Tesla for Q1 2025
Hi Simon, I'm stuck for words, except for perhaps BONKERS!
Every time I pass thru DFW airport, I ride on the fully autonomous terminal link train. Maybe that’s the future of FSD - build tracks for all the robotaxis!
That was the idea in the 50s/60s where they imagined a magnetic strip in the road that could guide your car. But pre-computer it really wasn't feasible and never got past the Popular Science "gosh won't the future be amazing" stage.
Now we have Tesla FSD which while not ready to be a level 5 system yet, is making impressive progress. Having updated my self driving computer a month ago, I'm quite impressed with its capabilities. On the one hand, I would advise anyone hearing Elon discuss it, to take most of what he says with a grain of salt. However, when you hear someone say "it'll never happen" I would suggest you take THAT with an equal grain of salt.
My opinion is that it's inevitable that it will be made to work fully autonomously in the relatively near future ( 5-10 years ), and is already useful as a driving aid ( more on highways than side roads ).
I say that as a computer software engineer ( embedded systems, supercomputers, HMI ).
Cars now have lots of electronic control units and upwards of 100+ million lines of software - a passenger aircraft has an estimated 15 million lines of code and a fighter jet about 25 million. Some have suggested that autonomous cars could require up to a billion lines of code and will still fail. This is also making cars vulnerable cyberattacks.
Software engineer here ( and pilot with DO178 experience ).
Without experience working on AI systems, it seems like Tesla has reported a trend to move away from lines of code towards more elaborate AI models ( I thought I read this year that Tesla removed a bunch of C++ from their stack ).
Not sure if that's better, though. Tesla seems to introduce a lot of regressions, making me think testing AI models may be more challenging than testing code ).
For those of you not aware of how difficult testing safety critical software is, my parent company has a Level A autopilot product ( level A means if it fails you will die ). One full iteration of testing of that software took a full calendar year, including special hardware to be able to push the software into conditions it was hoped could never happen in real life.