To be fair, we're talking about machine learning here. Eventually the AI will be able to tell the difference between a human wearing a stop sign and an actual stop sign. A human driver would've obviously been able to spot the difference. If they were in FSD mode in a Tesla and they noticed it couldn't tell the difference, they'd report the incident directly from the car in order to teach the AI. Waymo doesn't even have drivers in their cars anymore which is absolutely insane.
I once had a foreign student staying with me and she offered to walk my dog around the neighborhood. I live in a hilly suburban area with a lot of twisting curving roads looping around in rather intricate unpredictable ways. Soon the student was hopelessly lost, but the dog dutifully led her around the neighborhood, returning when the dog was ready to return (more than an hour). The student was expecting maybe half that time, so she got quite the workout up and down the hills and the dog got her way, visiting all her favorite spots. 😂. The student did not offer to walk the dog again, however, since she realized she was walking a Fully Autonoumos Dog.
Here in Phoenix, AZ, U.S., we have a bunch of those Waymo "self driving" cars. They have been involved in a number of accidents, fortunately none of them fatal or involving serious injuries (yet) But still the government allows them on the streets. Local cops hate them.
Makes you wonder who would be responsible if someone is run over. Could the owners of the company that made them, the vehicle owner or the software designers be charged with manslaughter like a human driver could in a similar situation?
@@harleyrdr1 Interesting. I also live in Chandler, not too far from Dobson and Warner, and am also a lifelong motorcycle rider. I agree with you completely.
@@FrankTimms-cs5hl There were actually two times that it happened. Once was a woman pushing her bike across the street. She was hit (and died) by an Uber being tested in self drive mode, with a person in the driver seat who wasn't paying attention. A Waymo also hit a cyclist (who was injured) at an intersection.
"Flying to the moon" once included massive volumes of empty space, now, not so much with thousands of artificial satellites and ever more "space junk accumulating".
There's more tech in the average washing machine now, than there was in the Apollo 11 spacecraft. "At least we got rid of those pesky, ultra-reliable, easily-replaceable, inexpensive mechanical timer switches and replaced them with expensive computer modules that are more challenging for the average homeowner to obtain." - Almost Every Current Washing Machine Manufacturer
@@JohnMcClain-p9t Interesting to note the same people complaining we need to recycle more are completely silent - when it comes to hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of possibly-recyclable eWaste orbiting us (and occasionally crashing to Earth).
@@dashcamandy2242 "Oh but it's just orbiting in empty space!" I've also heard of lots of "recycling" being dumped in dumps. Trust me, they really care about us!
The automation part is easy. What is hard is dealing with an unpredictable environment. Automatic pilots for planes are 110 years old. Automatic pilots for sailing ships are about 200 years old. In 2000 we had automatic tractor steering for working in fields. All those are simple because they have constrained environments. I worked on some of those in 2003 or so. Driving around a movie studio complex does not impress me at all.
In Total Recall they were seeding us a taste of possible scenarios if science fantasy/fiction was not, yet it still presents a realty of how in general, if we relinquish control of a conveyance to a software designer's whims, surely it portends a fatal future.
With how there is a deliberate agenda to turn Western society into juvenile mentality.... it seems Total Recall was following that trend to a possible conclusion.
It would be safer to drive your car blindfolded rather than one of these computer controlled abominations one small glitch and you could be hurled into a crowd of people or head long into oncoming traffic oh the joys of the future they will have to take my pickup from my cold dead hands.
Notice they had the launch at a closed movie studio lot and the cars were all travelling at a maximum of a few miles an hour. Never the less the people in the crowd were clapping/screeching like a bunch of trained monkeys.
You have to be a trained monkey to go to pay for traveling to those unveil events in the first place in the day and age where it can all just be broadcast live.
They were trained monkeys. Usually adult by age but prepubescent in maturity. The sort that believe any tech they are shown. Remember when they went wild at Musks android proposal launch a few years ago when it was only a man in a tight fitting leotard.
I hate the argument about ride-sharing / renting based on the idea that a car spends 90% of the time parked. Yeah, any given pair of underwear spends most of its time in my wardrobe - why don’t I rent those out? 🤮
@@user-ln7of9gs4s So what? My house cost 80k, and i'm not renting it out for the 8hrs a day i'm at work. It's a really stupid idea, as you're putting more wear and tear on the vehicle, don't know who's going to be taking it for a spin, when or if it'll be returned, if it'll have an empty tank when returned, if you have a personal emergency and need to leave, and do you even consider the liability? That's just part of the considerations of this monumentally stupid idea.
Snowflake. First of all, EVs burn 20 times less than ICE. Second, autonomous driving will be unsupervised only when it will be 100x safer than human driving. Statistics show that humans with Tesla FSD assistance are now 10 times safer than just human drivers.
Try try try it’s not working the future is here and you can deny it all you want. Routinely make 2 to 3 hour trips door to door with ZERO interventions. But keep it up you guys are really 🤡🤡🤡
Good video. One more drawback of driverless taxis would be that if it crashes somewhere along an isolated road you will be on your own if you're injured. A taxi driver may help you, lets say, if he's not seriously injured. What if the driverless car crashes at night in a remote location or empty street and you're unconscious?who is gonna help you?
Just get yourself educated. Have you heard of Starlink? I don't like the guy, but if he can connect people in war zone, hurricane zone, he can connect all of his robotaxis.
@@1tuyenp even so,just connections won't work. I ve seen videos of people helping other people to exit a car IMMEDIATELY after a crash.If you're allone and unconscious in a driverless car Starlink wont pull you out of it, believe me.
@@1tuyenpHis comment was not for the call, but to help the person there immediately after the accident. Who will help him even if the car calls by itself if he is unconscious and bleeding and it takes them 20 minutes to get there.
@@dchubworldsharenetwork So you count on the driver to survive to rescue you? On the other hand a survived driver can get you out, but both can still get stuck in the boonie without cell phone signal. What if the driver is in worse condition? Or it is the taxi rule that the driver would always survive?
@@AndrewTSq I guess it could have tire pressure monitors for that. Would need a lot of different sensors for things that we as drivers can figure out. I would like to see a self driving vehicle go through a construction zone where there are people holding a stop or slow sign. And with lots of pylons or other obstacles. One zone near me makes you zig zag back and forth to the opposite side of the road to get around the construction. And it can change from day to day, so no GPS navigation can be used.
@@my3dviews yeah maybe, the last couple of cars I have had, have the "low cost" implementation of tire pressure monitors which does not work that good since they give a lot of false positives. I think they calculate rolling radius thru the abs sensors, and when the temperature goes from +18 to 0 degrees on a day, it will starts to warn when nearing 0 degrees. But the sign thing is interesting, Also if the vision system hallucinates and think it sees a slow down sign, and stops on highway.
We used to talk about the blue screen of death when Windows used to crash. With Tesla only the blue remains an hyperbola. Death is provided for real. Survival instincts have reached an historical low.
The reason humans do not make the mistakes of autonomous vehicles is because we have self preservation, if we are unsure we slow down, autonomous vehicles just try to avoid it.
@@tonysheerness2427 Not sure where you get your dumb logic, but HUH????? Autonomous vehicles WILL ALSO SLOW DOWN Also, and MAYBE WILL STOP or AVOID it if it can. Not sure where you get the information you got and spewed it out on this comment section.
I don't use public transport, and I don't use taxes / Uber, or whatever. I don't like being in a vehicle I'm not in control of. I will never get in a vehicle without human control!
@csjrogerson2377 Yes No No No No I have however driven road-trains from Perth to Melbourn, Sydney and Brisbane and back. I have seen enough of people that can't drive. So I have no interest in putting my life at risk of a computer program, done by people who probably can't drive!
I dunno. Public transport's a bunch safer than driving, and you can read and play games and stuff in transit. Worth a try sometime, if it's available where you are. Up to you though, always.
@@marcuspitts2482 If the first answer was a 'yes', but the others were 'nos', how did you get off Aussie without having someone, other than you 'driving'? I wouldn't advise swimming, those Nobby Clarks can be troublesome.
@csjrogerson2377 I'm almost loathed to point this out. See, these days, we have things called Aeroplanes. And you can fly to other countries with them!
Some of us prefer the idea of computers driving, than some of the idiots on the road we see every day. Computers can text while they're driving and they don't drink or take drugs. I think AI is compared too often with how humans are supposed to drive, as opposed to how they actually drive. AI might not be up to the best of us, but it is well above the average.
Yeah, agreed with the other commentator... Saving 25,000+ lives every year seems a worthwhile goal. Also, there are plenty of places where rideshare doesn't operate that older people and handicapped people will avoid losing mobility by having an autonomous vehicle...
1 million traffic deaths worldwide with over 75 million injuries and 900,000 amputations. At some point in the future whether it’s 20 years or 200 all cars WILL be autonomous and you can virtually end all traffic accidents. You also dramatically reduce the cost of goods as goods and services can be transported 24/7 non stop without robots getting tired
I'd love to see these self-driving cars navigating British roads. We have some very narrow roads full of pot holes with poor visibility, built up towns with tiny access roads where cars pass with inches to spare. What could go wrong?
Most of the former British colonies have what you describe,,,,, only its a lot worse. I always say if you can drive in these places with these road conditions you can master anything on the road. Self driving cars wont stand a chance however.
They want to retrieve data from millions of vehicles on these key points and many more. WHERE are they going to store and retrieve the f***g data!? GIGO....you're dead.
The last cab I rode in was to go from DFW Airport to Irvine TX. The driver spoke no English. I actually had to enter my destination into the navigation device. But as we got into Irvine on a freeway, the driver realized he missed the exit. He slammed on the brakes and backed up. Not thinking of going to the next exit, which, in fact was the other end of road my destination was on.
My guess is that the robotaxi does not incorporate the kill switch as required by law in 2024+ vehicles. I’m certain Tesla can brick every Tesla, but I’m skeptical that they would comply with that law.
I often come across really weird roadworks and I now think to myself when going through these could an auto drive car do this and the answer is usually no chance.
@@chasx7062so just add another point of failure for self driving cars? In reality this would mean adding multiple such transponders marking start of road works, end of road works, and marking on between set intervals. And they have to operate and communicate with all self driving cars from different manufacturers. The more I think about it, the more complex the problem becomes, and more point of failure are being added to the chain for self driving cars. Not to mention the cost of manufacturing and actually deploying these transponders to every roadwork area... And lest not even talk about the need for them to be running 24/7 for the duration of the roadwork. So have batteries for each? And remember to charge from time to time. Or having an on site power generator running 24/7?
@@mmazvis Mate, at every road works, there will be plenty of road signs to alert human drivers to slow down and avoid hazards, if an accident occurs, cops will direct traffic....its normal action and reaction.... just like we all have apps to detect speed camera locations?
It might be a good sign that investors are seeing his bullshit. Shares lost $60m on Friday after he showed off this rubbish. The bus made me laugh - zero ground clearance - how awesome, if the roads are as flat as an ice rink. The selected crowd are sickening, whooping and cheering. It’s ridiculous.
Don’t worry, most probably at the end he will come out with some refinement like “we have to link more buses together” and “it has to run on rails to avoid bumps”… and at the end Elon will do an event unveiling the “Cybertram”😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@FolkinghamRob I mean you are talking about a company whose turnover is measured in the billions and is one of the fastest growing, most disruptive automotive makers on the planet. And you guys love to make out they are not doing well. But then you see them every day on the roads. It’s bonkers.
Was a passenger in a Tesla last year, on a motorway at 70mph, dull but dry day. The wipers came on. A bug was squashed on the camera. Wipers just kept going. Turning them off is a two stage menu operation, not safe at any speed on a motorway, with the driver unfamiliar with the car. A simple issue, but doesn't look good for self driving.
@@D-B-Cooper Is it? Isn't it? Do you know something about Teslas that suggests it should be? Or are you assuming such a feature should exist? We were not aware that that might be an option with that Tesla, and the briefing about the vehicles I received some time before never mentioned such a possibility.
I mean this is just objectively untrue. There is a regular button on the steering wheel that stops or engages the otherwise automatic wipers. Or you can tell the voice commands. But you guys do love to spread a good old bit of misinformation don’t you!
@@Audioremedy0785 There are two 'buttons' on the steering wheel. Neither are marked, and neither are 'regular'. On normal cars, such wheels will adjust radio volume, or following distance for adaptive cruise, but would be marked. Tesla make these controls do many jobs, but there are no markings to suggest or remind users. Someone, like the driver I met, was given this company pool car to use, the night before, on a dark evening. He drove it home, and next day, we were driving it on the motorway. There is no printed handbook supplied, so not able to read such a thing in one's own living room. Normal cars are similar, and graphics for controls are internationally agreed, so moving from one car to another, all necessary immediate controls are locatable, and easily usable. Tesla hide stuff, and once found, tend to make things unusual, for the sake of it. Until familiar with the vehicle, everything is difficult. As a non-owner, I do not have access to the handbook, so have to just find stuff out as I go. I'm guessing you might be an owner, so are now familiar with your car. Try to understand how someone new to the car, like you were once, will find their way around it. It is not conventional, so difficult for anyone used to conventional vehicles. This means that until familiar with all the functions, a driver is less safe than in almost any other vehicle. There's a reason, that after over 100 years, cars have become similar in layout. It aids familiarisation and therefore safety. Instead of just criticising, you could, as someone who knows, simply explain how the particular button works, so we could all know for next time. But being helpful seems less likely with internet posts, easier to be vindictive.
Even a simple operation such as automatic lights don’t work in rain, snow, fog etc and the driver who is supposed to be in control doesn’t switch them on manually! We need to instruct drivers how to drive. In the UK I notice many drivers are unable to reverse but they have a licence.
Where I live, at one time the testers had a reputation for failing learners on reversing evenly between the set of poles depicting a parking spot. They were so anal about it that being more to one side by a mere few inches was an instant fail. Naturally as it was a group being tested, the other learners waiting to try their turn all joined in with the instructors adding to the pressure for a fail of the one reversing. Sadly while they focused on that , the real on road testing had so many glaring deficiencies. SMH....
@@AllanT-nu4rw that’s interesting. I’m quite old and the test involved quite a bit of reversing. In London, I understand they only need to reverse out of a parking bay. When they come out into the countryside they are totally screwed when having to reverse 50 or more meters to allow a truck to pass. Let alone when they are towing and usually totally lost.
I'm of the opinion that the more complex something becomes the more built in fail ponts you get. Electrical devices are glitchy, and the more we rely on them the more they bite us in the arse.
@@AllanT-nu4rw I think you are refering to parallel parking, which is a test of your ability to understand the space your car takes up on the road. If you can't maneuver your car at slow speed into a parking stall in reverse it brings to question your ability to maneuver your car in any situation. THats why they did that strict testing. Since that is not tested as rigerously anymore you get lower quality drivers on the road.
What i want to know is, where did i give my consent to participation on this safety trial? I didnt sign up to put my life at risk by sharing the road wirh driverless cars.
Autonomous vehicles can only ever be reactionary inn nature - recognizing and then responding to what they interpret in the world around them. Whereas human drivers are typically looking and thinking ahead - anticipating - relating previous experiences and considering possibilities. In Australia: "I've seen 'roos crossing here before, and there are dead ones beside the road. Maybe I'll slow down and keep my wits about me." How could a chunk of (human crafted) code ever hope to think across all these dimensions simultaneously?
Well, your example of a "known roo area" is actually easy to imagine. Just as Waze keeps a short term memory of reported hazards, one can easily imagine a longer term persistent database of hazards, available to the AI as the car proceeds. An autonomous vehicle can certainly anticipate hazards and react accordingly. Right now, the Tesla FSD appears to be disconnected from the navigation system... So it doesn't seem to anticipate situations the navigation database might flag. It really seems like the FSD relies almost exclusively on what the cameras are seeing. Still, these systems are in their infancy, so I would chalk up the shortcomings you mention to how new these systems are, not to what is or is not possible.
There is a terrible flaw in that logic. As AI and learning is shared. A computer knows much more than any human. Your example relies on an individual driver having knowledge. AI means that a car that’s never been on that road can learn from the 1000’s of other cars that have driven down it in the past. That’s not the current state, but given where we were 10 years ago to now, it’s totally feasable.
Autonomous vehicles will NEVER be able to cope with the numerous hazards of narrow country lanes with their flooded potholes, indeterminate road boundaries, rocks very close to the road concealed in overgrown grass verges, and a carriageway too narrow to allow two vehicles to easily pass.
Kinda like the professional gambler, but he stops when all the money is gone, and no one to lend him more. "Thank government for all it takes in taxes, and then gives away".
Like that guy that created the internet. Imagine thinking that every house would have its own computer and they would all be connected. And we would shop on there and do anything we wanted. Yeah. That’s what you sound like.
The great advantage of having an actual person at the steering wheel is that humans have the in-built biological imperative of self-preservation. Computers not so much.
Not just other traffic, pedestrians, street signs and impromptu road work. Sleet, ice, wind, freezing rain and snow that covers all road paint. Many LED traffic lights can't melt the snow, so they can be completely obscured.
FSD cars with drivers present already kill people and driverless taxis have hit cyclists and pedestrians, resulting in death already. The safety of the general public doesn't seem to matter to the "technology at any cost" crowd.
What Musk appears to be arguing is that there will always be deaths, but with his technology there will be far fewer overall. Even if this happens to be true the dead’s relatives will still have their day in court, and the lawyers will be arguing population statistics. Perhaps a portion of Tesla’s profits should go into an escrow fund to pay compensation, without question, when such incidents occur.
EXACTLY! the programming is based on the cultural norms of the programmer. For example, Japanese culture reveres the elderly, while Americans value children more. Who decides what is right?
False. They do it all the time. If you watched the presentation, you’d know. These cars are being summoned in parking lots with no driver inside the vehicle.
We aren't even able to automate trains, which is a million times simpler. How anyone would entrust their life to a technology that comes with a million liability disclaimers is beyond me. If it was safe they would simply hire an insurance company and stand behind their product to build confidence in a new product.
Trains in airports, subway trains all over the world etc... don't seem to have anyone operate them. On the other hand, I don't know how anyone would step into an airplane seeing there's nothing under them. Yes, I know millions have flown them to show their reliability. Well there are millions FSD miles as well. But if you don't want to get your feet wet, then don't.
@@1tuyenp In the context of our discussion we are talking about automation that is capable of doing the job of a human train operator on existing rails, being able to drive the train anywhere on the rail network. The trains you are referring to can't do anything even close and have the level of sophistication equivalent to an elevator. Just like elevators they can only operate in a tightly controlled environment built specifically for these trains. Just like an elevator it has no ability to share it's tracks with any other trains, deal with any ground level crossings or using any other train tracks outside it's own system. The trains are simple automation and aren't capable to dealing any obstruction, such as debris or if a person is on the tracks. To use these trains the entire rail system is engineered and built for them. A self contained system that must always have a continuous obstruction free path (underground or above ground. To avoid debris or killing a person that ended up on the tracks the stations require walls with a second set of doors exactly as you see with elevators, having two doors.
@@jimk3 It looks like you are moving the goal post. You said we can't even automate trains. Then I pointed out that there are tons of different kinds of trains from airport trains to subway to bullet trains all over the world. Maybe they have not automate the old trains in the US. But if they could automate bullet trains all over the world, they could have automate trains in the US. Maybe they might have to redesign the tracks, the platforms. But trains are not that difficult when you can control the environment. But for cars, you should really get a Tesla with FSD. You will be amazed how it deals with various things on the road: cars, trucks, obstacles, padestrians. Waymo, Mercedes systems can operate in tightly controlled environments like you said. But Tesla FSD is something else. It seems to be designed to deal with anything at it. You just have to experience it yourself. Until you do, I don't think you can comprehend how far self driving have gone.
@@1tuyenp Well I guess you woudl consider a car driving around a closed off parking lot as self driving then. The goal post didn't move, you just cited a bad example by not thinking about it. If you want to consider those legitimate self driving trains, so be it.
Legislation must be brought in that makes the car manufacturer liable for damage caused by self driving cars. A minimum liability should be imposed such as £1m minimum per death, minimum of £250k per injury.
Solar City - Bankrupt Hyperloop - Shelved Tesla Semi - Delayed Cybertruck - Garbage Robotaxi - Pie in the Sky Tesla EV - Missed rev est by 4%,8% and 16% over the last three quarters.
RUclips changed the words in your post to become hot links so that I could go purchase a type or cyber truck or a robotaxi. And now they are gone, after i replied. RUclips just can’t help itself on screwing with the GUI and making it worse every chance it gets and then plastering over its errors, like it did right there.
RUclips temporarily modified your comment by hot-linking “bollards” so that I can go buy bollards using the link. But then they were gone. YT is a mess.
Autonomous vehicles will work if:- 1. They are moving slowly. 2. They are following a predicted path. 3. There are no other vehicles operation in the vicinity. A good example of this is the use of agricultural machinery in fields. This technology is developing fast and has vast potential. An autonomous car meets non of the above criteria so is very unlikely to be of any value for the foreseeable future. Keep up the good work MGUY.
My concern is when you automate any device tractor or other wise you eliminate jobs. You do enough of this and you will have a negitive impact on the economy. IT is getting harder for low skilled labour to find work now. How's this going to look in the future. Who is going to pay for all these job losses when you continuely shrink your tax base?
@@markseehawer3762 I agree, but you could have said the same thing about the development of the water powered spinning frame by Richard Arkwright in the 1760's. There has been a steady loss of unskilled and semi skilled labour in farming over the past 100 years, but this has to some extent been replaced by more skilled jobs in agricultural sciences and engineering.
@@sunjun222 As with many things of late such, as AI, EV's and all that is associated with the obsession for net-zero, politicians are trying to force people to adopt different behaviors, not by explaining or demonstrating they are more convenient or less expensive, but by force. Unfortunately, in a democratic society this method won't work.
Well i would say that if the vehicle has no driver inputs then any accidents they are involved in are 100% on Tesla, since unlike their "fully self-driving" system which still says the driver must remain alert that wouldn't be an option so the occupants or owner of the car have no control over how it is driven
Well, they couldn't use the word 'Crash' in the 'Shares Fall' story... I'm happy with my own self steering car where I get in, close the door, and steer it myself.
When I'm on freeway, my Tesla often complains that I drive too close to one side of the lane or the other. I didn''t realize that before with other cars. But with the Tesla I can see that I do move from one side of the lane to the other. So I got tired of the Tesla dinging me, I let it drive itself. Boy did it keep the car exactly in the middle of the lane like on rail. I'm not saying a Tesla would be better than you drive yourself, and if driving on the freeway is just about keeping the car in the middle of the lane, but I just want to let you know what I experienced.
Years ago, I worked for the Department of Motor Transport and got involved in a workshop on the legal implications of sel-driving cars. I expect it will take far longer to get the legal problems solved than developing a "safe" driverless car.
My son, who's 16 and just has his L's, says he is happy to learn on my 2006 Forester than a newer car because he says he can focus on driving skills and not on the alerts and warnings of newer cars. He has learned fast and I'm happy to let him drive as he needs to get his 120 hours before doing his P test. I've tried to be a good role model for him for the last few years and I'm glad he's taken the lessons to heart. He says my car is close to what he thinks he will get as his first car.
Anybody remember Isaac Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics? (1942) 1)A robot may not injure a human being,or by inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. 2)A robot must obey orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the first law. 3)A robot must protect it's own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the first or second law. It seems ethics exist only in fiction.
Ethics also vary from culture to culture. For example, Japan values the elderly, while Americans value children more. It's not a question of who is right or wrong but a conundrum for the programmers. This is why self driving cars will ultimately fail.
If it’s anything like the other Tesla announcements, you’ll order a cab and three years later (at least) it’ll arrive. God help us all if they ever release an cyber ambulance, no one would get to hospital alive
The safety regulators are paranoid about safety of driver less trains on tracks.Can you imagine the safety implications and the complexities of driverless cars.
A couple things... Trains transport a lot of hazardous materials such that even one train wreck can have catastrophic results. Cars... they crash every day. And in this day and age, people walk away from some terrible crashes with minor or no injuries. So, the bar to exceed current car safety rates is pretty darn low. Trains are pretty darn safe, so the bar is a lot higher. Just like airplanes - nobody would accept developments that put us back at the accident rate of the 40s and 50s...
Autonomous vehicles sound like a liability nightmare. But it Musk is so confident in these. Let him be personally responsible for any accidents they cause.
Until recently I shared your view, although I was thinking more like 2050. Having upgraded my Model 3 self driving computer last month, and doing a lot of longer ( 200 mile ) trips, I'd say the progress in the FSD stack surprised me. If Tesla can keep up the current rate of improvement, FSD by the end of the decade might not be impossible...
Well, depends on whether you are asking "why are they allowed a little legalese in a term and condition that the driver probably didn't even fully read, to shift responsibility from their software to a mostly clueless driver?" Or are you asking why we as citizens haven't made it very clear to our leaders that we don't find this situation tolerable? But then, you might as well ask why we accept people messing with their phones while operating a 3 ton death machine, with a "wink wink nudge nudge" acceptance that while it's TECHNICALLY illegal, probably 90% of drivers do it. ( The remaining 10% probably don't have phones ).
@@Audioremedy0785 What a silly strawman argument, Who on earth said they thought the internet would fail !?!? Like who ever said that ever !?!? and how are EV's analogous to the internet exactly ????
@@rocketmunkey1 the point is that it’s a future technology. One that is groundbreaking and will develop over time. There was a huge amount of people that didn’t see any purpose for the internet and were sceptical of its vision to be as dominating a technology that it is. Go back and watch videos of people talking about the idea of the internet in the late 80’s and early 90s. People are sceptical of new technology. The reality is that this Mguy moron is saying it won’t be something that happens soon [but will eventually]. The difference is that people like Elon Musk are pushing to make it happen and will make it happen sooner rather than later. People would have said that 10 years ago it would be impossible for electric cars to be as mainstream as they are now.
@@stratvids Not for the next 100 years I'm not, battery technology just isnt there, it needs to double or halve in every metric, double the range, half the size, double the lifespan, half the price before its a viable technology for cars. and doesn't spontaneously combust at the slightest knock.
What FSD fans don't seem to understand is that self driving cars don't have to just be better than human drivers, they have to be perfect. The reason being that every time a FSD vehicle mows down a family crossing in a crosswalk, it will generate headlines like "ROBOT CAR KILLS FAMILY, AND DRIVES AWAY!". Even if human drivers do that a 100 times more often, that's not the message people will get. And for FSD cars to be allowed on the road, the general public must be convinced of their safety, and I'm not sure that's doable.
Those Waymo's are also based on recalled for fire issue Jaguar i-paces. Plus with the reputable build quality of Tesla's i would dread going in a completely automated one.
Self driving cars do not belong on public roads as they are a danger to all... The can for example not understand hand signals or instructions given by emergency personnel directing traffic in an emergency, they just ignore them and drive around them no matter what signals they give or instructions they are given. That ALONE is reason enough for a driver to be sent to jail, for a long time !!!
Autonomous vehicles are about two ideals in America, relative to Large Cities, where most Hegelians reside 1- Total Government control, think Ayn Rand “Atlas Shrugged” as this accurately represents the Hegelians currently controlling Washington DC 2- The elite who desire their own personal mode of transportation, unassociated with current smelly, germ infested cabs and commuter trans (cattle cars), and roadway jammed traffic. Something along the lines of Star Trek. The neat, perfect, city utopia. The reality, autonomous cars will become another congestion point to an already overly congested city. Moving, enclosed, temperature controlled sidewalks would be more useful. You could even fit them with sleeping bunks, showers and soup kitchens to accommodate the homeless, and mini police stations to thwart criminals. The other solution is to deploy Sky Trams at various elevations, to key, high traffic points.
Ah yes, the delights of the 15 Minute Cities, where people will be unable to leave- without permission from their Lords and Masters, oh sorry I meant "elected leaders." I'm sure it'll be paradise; I'm also very glad that I'm old & won't ever have to live in such a marvelous place!
*If you are not in the financial market space right now, you are making a huge mistake. I understand that it could be due to ignorance, but if you want to make your money work for you..prevent inflation..*
I began investing in stocks and Def earlier this year, and it is the best choice l've ever made. My portfolio is rounding up to almost a million and I have realized that when a stock makes it to the news, chances are you're quite late to the party, the idea is to get in early on blue chips before it becomes public. There are lots of life changing opportunities in the market, and maximize it.
Hello, I am very interested. As you know, there are tons of investments out there and without solid knowledge, I can't decide what is best. Can you explain further how you invest and earn?
I'm favoured, $4,000 every week! I can now give back to the locals in my community and also support God's work and the church. God bless America,, all thanks to Mr Michael Wayne
If you mean true self driving level 5 cars, clearly at the point the car drives itself without requiring human monitoring or intervention, the company that sells the self driving feature needs to stand behind it. At that point, if the car causes a crash, the AI company has to be liable.
All technology can be defeated they all have their flaws. There are youtube videos on how to beat thermal imaging cameras, how to be hidden and not seen. Human eyes have flaws and reflections and poor light we see things that are not there. At certain angle of the sun, as it goes down, smooth tarmacadam looks like a mirror. I should imagine, mist, smoke, fog, heat haze, particulates in the air all affect the sensors of self driving vehicles.
What about the Indian girl driving her brothers tesla in Malvern a few years ago and hitting a nurse getting off the tram at cabrini hospital. The Indian girl has been jailed. The poor victim is suffering still
Shouldn't the car have been jailed instead of the Indian girl? She was just sitting in this self-driving car, wasn't she? I'm sorry for both victims here.
For almost a decade now tesla owners have heard their own cars could be used as robot taxis, and now Elon Musk will have a robot taxi in 3 year, i do not understand, the overall idea was to use the tesla as a robot taxi while we did not use our car, and now we must buy an additional car designed for a special purpose!? What is going on!?
I heard him say something along the lines of "blah blah robotaxi and of course your model 3 and Ys". I took it to mean "your vehicle purpose built to act as an autonomous taxi, and also the vehicles I've been promising this for the last 10 years". The real question is why anyone would give any credence to him on schedule for autonomy. I think it will happen, maybe by the end of the decade, but I don't give any credence to Elon's predicted timetable. When it actually ships, I'll consider it, until then it's something interesting to keep an eye on..
Yes, there was much about the Musk presentation which was particularly galling. Pertinent to your video were his outrageous statements about autonomous transport being safer than humans. They then had a few clips on a loop of traffic accident avoidance, the type of thing which humans achieve millions of times a day, with no issue.
I'm actually considering buying an electric vehicle and I'm fairly certain it will be an excellent choice. I'm sick of having to bend over and fill the tank of my lawnmower every time I mow the lawn and I like the idea of a ride on mower that I only need plug in and prey it doesn't burn my house down so I think I'll buy it a dog house to live in that's made of metal and positioned well away from anything that can burn. The best thing about this kind of electric vehicle is when it runs out of charge you're already home.
I hope you can afford four lawnmowers then: The electric one costs twice as much, and it'll soon develop a fault which will cost as much to fix as a new mower...
@@pistonburner6448 I was going to give a joke answer but as I can barely afford a normal ride on and don't really have a need I will heed your advice. However a local supermarket chain is having a specially on push type electric mowers that is actually tempting especially as it takes the same battery packs as my other power tools.
@@anomamos9095 What the woke democrats do nowadays is use their new slave class, the immigrants, give them a pair of scissors or scythe (if they're lucky), and say: "Get to work!"
I buy a personal car because I don’t want other people driving my car and because I don’t want to take the bus. Handing over your car to dirty disgusting strangers to rent and then trying to get it back when you actually need to use it sounds like a nightmare.
It's not a bad shape. Just needs a 3.2L V6, manual box, steering wheel and 3 pedals and he could be on to a winner. But we have self driving cars right now, they are called taxis and they are driven by humans.
@@davewatson2124 Gets a bit front heavy with a V8. Let's keep the weight down and make it nimble. Or we could go with a high revving 2 litre. When I look at that shape I just think Datsun 240Z or 260Z and that was borrowed from somewhere else. I forget where.
self driving cars are vulnerable to being stopped by thieves and assailants. All they have to do is stand in front ands the cars sensors stop the vehicle. Its already happening.
The best one was self driving cars stopping when a person wearing a stop t-shirt
To be fair, we're talking about machine learning here. Eventually the AI will be able to tell the difference between a human wearing a stop sign and an actual stop sign. A human driver would've obviously been able to spot the difference. If they were in FSD mode in a Tesla and they noticed it couldn't tell the difference, they'd report the incident directly from the car in order to teach the AI. Waymo doesn't even have drivers in their cars anymore which is absolutely insane.
Why not wear a 55mph truck speed sign and see if it goes through you and make it on News
I once had a foreign student staying with me and she offered to walk my dog around the neighborhood. I live in a hilly suburban area with a lot of twisting curving roads looping around in rather intricate unpredictable ways. Soon the student was hopelessly lost, but the dog dutifully led her around the neighborhood, returning when the dog was ready to return (more than an hour). The student was expecting maybe half that time, so she got quite the workout up and down the hills and the dog got her way, visiting all her favorite spots. 😂. The student did not offer to walk the dog again, however, since she realized she was walking a Fully Autonoumos Dog.
That's funny. All pedestrians interested in their safety should consider wearing a STOP t-shirt 😉
@@WolfHeathen Well, just stand in front of the car and it will stop. Easy to rob the people in the car with no way to drive away.
If they can jam drone signals, they can jam autonomous vehicle signals as well.
Exactly. If you are willing to spend circa 500 dollars for a 10 band wireless jammer, the party starts.
Dude, the cars don’t need the internet to run. It’s all done from the cars computer.
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217I would have loved to see someone jamming the final to the Tesla bots.
All you have to do is put a traffic cone on the hood of the car to disable the autonomous cars. The videos are pretty funny.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s Just remember "2001, A Space Odessey"
Here in Phoenix, AZ, U.S., we have a bunch of those Waymo "self driving" cars. They have been involved in a number of accidents, fortunately none of them fatal or involving serious injuries (yet) But still the government allows them on the streets. Local cops hate them.
Makes you wonder who would be responsible if someone is run over. Could the owners of the company that made them, the vehicle owner or the software designers be charged with manslaughter like a human driver could in a similar situation?
Yep, I live in Chandler. I’m a longtime motorcycle rider and I stay as far the f**k away from those stupid things as I can.
@@harleyrdr1 Interesting. I also live in Chandler, not too far from Dobson and Warner, and am also a lifelong motorcycle rider. I agree with you completely.
I could have sworn a while back a bicyclist perished when hit by one-I recall it was either a Volvo suv or Chrysler minivan?
@@FrankTimms-cs5hl There were actually two times that it happened.
Once was a woman pushing her bike across the street. She was hit (and died) by an Uber being tested in self drive mode, with a person in the driver seat who wasn't paying attention.
A Waymo also hit a cyclist (who was injured) at an intersection.
Yeah - my dad would always say- tech for driverless cars more complex than flying to the moon. Too many variables to consider
"Flying to the moon" once included massive volumes of empty space, now, not so much with thousands of artificial satellites and ever more "space junk accumulating".
There's more tech in the average washing machine now, than there was in the Apollo 11 spacecraft.
"At least we got rid of those pesky, ultra-reliable, easily-replaceable, inexpensive mechanical timer switches and replaced them with expensive computer modules that are more challenging for the average homeowner to obtain." - Almost Every Current Washing Machine Manufacturer
@@JohnMcClain-p9t Interesting to note the same people complaining we need to recycle more are completely silent - when it comes to hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of possibly-recyclable eWaste orbiting us (and occasionally crashing to Earth).
@@dashcamandy2242 "Oh but it's just orbiting in empty space!" I've also heard of lots of "recycling" being dumped in dumps. Trust me, they really care about us!
The automation part is easy. What is hard is dealing with an unpredictable environment.
Automatic pilots for planes are 110 years old. Automatic pilots for sailing ships are about 200 years old.
In 2000 we had automatic tractor steering for working in fields.
All those are simple because they have constrained environments. I worked on some of those in 2003 or so.
Driving around a movie studio complex does not impress me at all.
Johnny cabs? No thanks. I saw how that turned out in Total Recall.
Ikr! Lmao...
In Total Recall they were seeding us a taste of possible scenarios if science fantasy/fiction was not, yet it still presents a realty of how in general, if we relinquish control of a conveyance to a software designer's whims, surely it portends a fatal future.
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 Predictive programming.
I WANT JOHNNY CABS :)
He should make a couple would be awesome advertising , everyone would cover it.
Bring back Johnny Cabs. I love it when you refuse to pay and it throws a tantrum. :D j
With how there is a deliberate agenda to turn Western society into juvenile mentality.... it seems Total Recall was following that trend to a possible conclusion.
About as safe as getting into a car with a drunk driver.
I would rather drive myself home drunk than get into one of those human experiments
A drunk is far more likely to get you home safely compared to how ineffective AI driving is right now.
It would be safer to drive your car blindfolded rather than one of these computer controlled abominations one small glitch and you could be hurled into a crowd of people or head long into oncoming traffic oh the joys of the future they will have to take my pickup from my cold dead hands.
Guided missiles, come to mind. Why are they filling garages and lots with unsold units
don't think so hard ....you might overheat your brain cell!!!!!
Until battery technology improves I’m not plunking my ass down on top of a huge ass Lithium Ion battery. No way, not gonna happen. I’ll f**king walk.
Dumb, half blind, incendiary robot IEDs
You walk then, you prolly need it anyways.
@@ahmad-firdauscook1452 What an intelligent response. 🙄
@@harleyrdr1why bother with an intekegnnent repose to a stupid statement?
Notice they had the launch at a closed movie studio lot and the cars were all travelling at a maximum of a few miles an hour. Never the less the people in the crowd were clapping/screeching like a bunch of trained monkeys.
You have to be a trained monkey to go to pay for traveling to those unveil events in the first place in the day and age where it can all just be broadcast live.
Paid monkeys 🥲
That's cause they were getting paid. If you pay people enough they will even clap for kumala
They were trained monkeys. Usually adult by age but prepubescent in maturity. The sort that believe any tech they are shown. Remember when they went wild at Musks android proposal launch a few years ago when it was only a man in a tight fitting leotard.
@@michaelrichter8204😂😂👍👍
I hate the argument about ride-sharing / renting based on the idea that a car spends 90% of the time parked.
Yeah, any given pair of underwear spends most of its time in my wardrobe - why don’t I rent those out? 🤮
Minus the skid marks hopefully 😎😎
@@davewatson2124They will come back with skid marks.
Your underwear doesn’t cost $40k genius.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s Might be, could be made from unicorn hair for all you know.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s So what?
My house cost 80k, and i'm not renting it out for the 8hrs a day i'm at work.
It's a really stupid idea, as you're putting more wear and tear on the vehicle, don't know who's going to be taking it for a spin, when or if it'll be returned, if it'll have an empty tank when returned, if you have a personal emergency and need to leave, and do you even consider the liability?
That's just part of the considerations of this monumentally stupid idea.
I never put my ass in an EV. With or without a steering wheel. Only the word cyber makes me sick....
Don't put your ass in any EV. Stay safe.
Would you like to know what the word "cyber" actually _[etymologically]_ means?
Snowflake. First of all, EVs burn 20 times less than ICE. Second, autonomous driving will be unsupervised only when it will be 100x safer than human driving. Statistics show that humans with Tesla FSD assistance are now 10 times safer than just human drivers.
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Try try try it’s not working the future is here and you can deny it all you want. Routinely make 2 to 3 hour trips door to door with ZERO interventions. But keep it up you guys are really 🤡🤡🤡
“Straight, long and generally predictable.” - I’m putting that in my dating profile. 😂
Ok,, you win the internet for today,,, good one.
@@AllanT-nu4rw Hurrah! Cheers, buddy.
I'm more crooked, short and unpredictable myself!
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Poor MGUY, if he looks at this thread he’ll be thinking, “What have I started?” 😆
Good video.
One more drawback of driverless taxis would be that if it crashes somewhere along an isolated road you will be on your own if you're injured. A taxi driver may help you, lets say, if he's not seriously injured. What if the driverless car crashes at night in a remote location or empty street and you're unconscious?who is gonna help you?
Just get yourself educated. Have you heard of Starlink? I don't like the guy, but if he can connect people in war zone, hurricane zone, he can connect all of his robotaxis.
@@1tuyenp even so,just connections won't work. I ve seen videos of people helping other people to exit a car IMMEDIATELY after a crash.If you're allone and unconscious in a driverless car Starlink wont pull you out of it, believe me.
@@1tuyenpHis comment was not for the call, but to help the person there immediately after the accident.
Who will help him even if the car calls by itself if he is unconscious and bleeding and it takes them 20 minutes to get there.
@@dchubworldsharenetwork So you count on the driver to survive to rescue you? On the other hand a survived driver can get you out, but both can still get stuck in the boonie without cell phone signal. What if the driver is in worse condition? Or it is the taxi rule that the driver would always survive?
Well there's one thing, and that is that no one will steal one
What does a self driving vehicle that relies on cameras, do when it is foggy? Or in a snow storm?
would also be interesting when things that us human feel goes wrong, like a puncture, or that something feels sloopy in the suspension suddenly.
good one
@@AndrewTSq I guess it could have tire pressure monitors for that. Would need a lot of different sensors for things that we as drivers can figure out.
I would like to see a self driving vehicle go through a construction zone where there are people holding a stop or slow sign. And with lots of pylons or other obstacles. One zone near me makes you zig zag back and forth to the opposite side of the road to get around the construction. And it can change from day to day, so no GPS navigation can be used.
@@my3dviews yeah maybe, the last couple of cars I have had, have the "low cost" implementation of tire pressure monitors which does not work that good since they give a lot of false positives. I think they calculate rolling radius thru the abs sensors, and when the temperature goes from +18 to 0 degrees on a day, it will starts to warn when nearing 0 degrees. But the sign thing is interesting, Also if the vision system hallucinates and think it sees a slow down sign, and stops on highway.
Or when a bug big and gooey enough to be too much for the wipers and washers splatters on the camera?
We used to talk about the blue screen of death when Windows used to crash.
With Tesla only the blue remains an hyperbola.
Death is provided for real.
Survival instincts have reached an historical low.
The reason humans do not make the mistakes of autonomous vehicles is because we have self preservation, if we are unsure we slow down, autonomous vehicles just try to avoid it.
@@tonysheerness2427 No such thing as "self-driving/autonomous" vehicles.
True certainly.
@@tonysheerness2427 Not sure where you get your dumb logic, but HUH????? Autonomous vehicles WILL ALSO SLOW DOWN Also, and MAYBE WILL STOP or AVOID it if it can. Not sure where you get the information you got and spewed it out on this comment section.
@@1flash3571 The accident statistics of these vehicles proves otherwise.
I don't use public transport, and I don't use taxes / Uber, or whatever. I don't like being in a vehicle I'm not in control of. I will never get in a vehicle without human control!
Have you ever left your country or are you a qualified pilot or ship's Captain or train driver? Do you have control issues?
@csjrogerson2377
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No
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I have however driven road-trains from Perth to Melbourn, Sydney and Brisbane and back. I have seen enough of people that can't drive. So I have no interest in putting my life at risk of a computer program, done by people who probably can't drive!
I dunno. Public transport's a bunch safer than driving, and you can read and play games and stuff in transit. Worth a try sometime, if it's available where you are. Up to you though, always.
@@marcuspitts2482 If the first answer was a 'yes', but the others were 'nos', how did you get off Aussie without having someone, other than you 'driving'? I wouldn't advise swimming, those Nobby Clarks can be troublesome.
@csjrogerson2377 I'm almost loathed to point this out. See, these days, we have things called Aeroplanes. And you can fly to other countries with them!
No one ever explained why we need driverless cars? What is the point?
I want to drive my own car, I don't want a computer to decide over my safety.
Some of us prefer the idea of computers driving, than some of the idiots on the road we see every day.
Computers can text while they're driving and they don't drink or take drugs.
I think AI is compared too often with how humans are supposed to drive, as opposed to how they actually drive.
AI might not be up to the best of us, but it is well above the average.
Yeah, agreed with the other commentator... Saving 25,000+ lives every year seems a worthwhile goal. Also, there are plenty of places where rideshare doesn't operate that older people and handicapped people will avoid losing mobility by having an autonomous vehicle...
CABS!!!!!! cost less when u don't have to pay or tip a driver!!!! DUH!!!! GETA BRAIN GETA CLUE GETTA LIFE!!!!!
Do you not think anything needs automation?
1 million traffic deaths worldwide with over 75 million injuries and 900,000 amputations. At some point in the future whether it’s 20 years or 200 all cars WILL be autonomous and you can virtually end all traffic accidents. You also dramatically reduce the cost of goods as goods and services can be transported 24/7 non stop without robots getting tired
I'd love to see these self-driving cars navigating British roads. We have some very narrow roads full of pot holes with poor visibility, built up towns with tiny access roads where cars pass with inches to spare. What could go wrong?
Most of the former British colonies have what you describe,,,,, only its a lot worse. I always say if you can drive in these places with these road conditions you can master anything on the road. Self driving cars wont stand a chance however.
The cars do great, just go watch videos of FSD in action.
They want to retrieve data from millions of vehicles on these key points and many more. WHERE are they going to store and retrieve the f***g data!?
GIGO....you're dead.
In England, they drive on the left side of the road. In Scotland, they drive on what's left of the road.
Road in intaly are the same to!
The last cab I rode in was to go from DFW Airport to Irvine TX. The driver spoke no English. I actually had to enter my destination into the navigation device. But as we got into Irvine on a freeway, the driver realized he missed the exit. He slammed on the brakes and backed up. Not thinking of going to the next exit, which, in fact was the other end of road my destination was on.
I live in Louisville, and I take Lyft to the airport every now and then, and I’ve never had a driver who speaks English.😢
If underwear cost $50k a pair, and you had high interest on your repayments, you might consider it. LOL
Self driving cars can’t come soon enough.
It's a big NOPE to all of it from me.
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Agreed
What a pile of BS. Those monkeys in the crowd ALL own an iPhone, garenteed! The level of cringe was astronomical.
I wonder how one of those would do on a Florida highway right now!
Just like that film by Obama where a cyberattack made the US go dark , if they still have charge that is.
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Hum, it's time to take a bath,
What about inclement weather when sensors can become obscured or covered with snow and ice?
Has Elon been watching the Jetsons again
Perhaps Total Recall... and other similar science fantasy/fiction movies.
No, he’s just lying. Same as always.
Robotaxi - no driver, but a guy with remote control and/or kill switch on every stretch of the street.
My guess is that the robotaxi does not incorporate the kill switch as required by law in 2024+ vehicles. I’m certain Tesla can brick every Tesla, but I’m skeptical that they would comply with that law.
I often come across really weird roadworks and I now think to myself when going through these could an auto drive car do this and the answer is usually no chance.
Nah just put a transponder so the car will avoid its signal, like drivers responding to a sign at roadworks lol
@@chasx7062so just add another point of failure for self driving cars?
In reality this would mean adding multiple such transponders marking start of road works, end of road works, and marking on between set intervals. And they have to operate and communicate with all self driving cars from different manufacturers.
The more I think about it, the more complex the problem becomes, and more point of failure are being added to the chain for self driving cars. Not to mention the cost of manufacturing and actually deploying these transponders to every roadwork area... And lest not even talk about the need for them to be running 24/7 for the duration of the roadwork. So have batteries for each? And remember to charge from time to time. Or having an on site power generator running 24/7?
@@mmazvis Mate, at every road works, there will be plenty of road signs to alert human drivers to slow down and avoid hazards, if an accident occurs, cops will direct traffic....its normal action and reaction.... just like we all have apps to detect speed camera locations?
It might be a good sign that investors are seeing his bullshit.
Shares lost $60m on Friday after he showed off this rubbish.
The bus made me laugh - zero ground clearance - how awesome, if the roads are as flat as an ice rink.
The selected crowd are sickening, whooping and cheering. It’s ridiculous.
Don’t worry, most probably at the end he will come out with some refinement like “we have to link more buses together” and “it has to run on rails to avoid bumps”… and at the end Elon will do an event unveiling the “Cybertram”😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@ravenguard1495I Don't trust Elon never have.
Yeah the stock is flying since then though mate. Just goes to show how you guys have no idea what you are talking about.
@@Audioremedy0785 another EVangelist? Time will tell.
@@FolkinghamRob I mean you are talking about a company whose turnover is measured in the billions and is one of the fastest growing, most disruptive automotive makers on the planet. And you guys love to make out they are not doing well. But then you see them every day on the roads. It’s bonkers.
Was a passenger in a Tesla last year, on a motorway at 70mph, dull but dry day. The wipers came on. A bug was squashed on the camera. Wipers just kept going. Turning them off is a two stage menu operation, not safe at any speed on a motorway, with the driver unfamiliar with the car. A simple issue, but doesn't look good for self driving.
It's such a waste of time, energy, resources etc.... pure green-mania eu-topian dreams.
Why wouldn’t it be voice operated?
@@D-B-Cooper Is it? Isn't it? Do you know something about Teslas that suggests it should be? Or are you assuming such a feature should exist? We were not aware that that might be an option with that Tesla, and the briefing about the vehicles I received some time before never mentioned such a possibility.
I mean this is just objectively untrue. There is a regular button on the steering wheel that stops or engages the otherwise automatic wipers. Or you can tell the voice commands. But you guys do love to spread a good old bit of misinformation don’t you!
@@Audioremedy0785 There are two 'buttons' on the steering wheel. Neither are marked, and neither are 'regular'. On normal cars, such wheels will adjust radio volume, or following distance for adaptive cruise, but would be marked. Tesla make these controls do many jobs, but there are no markings to suggest or remind users. Someone, like the driver I met, was given this company pool car to use, the night before, on a dark evening. He drove it home, and next day, we were driving it on the motorway. There is no printed handbook supplied, so not able to read such a thing in one's own living room. Normal cars are similar, and graphics for controls are internationally agreed, so moving from one car to another, all necessary immediate controls are locatable, and easily usable. Tesla hide stuff, and once found, tend to make things unusual, for the sake of it. Until familiar with the vehicle, everything is difficult. As a non-owner, I do not have access to the handbook, so have to just find stuff out as I go. I'm guessing you might be an owner, so are now familiar with your car. Try to understand how someone new to the car, like you were once, will find their way around it. It is not conventional, so difficult for anyone used to conventional vehicles. This means that until familiar with all the functions, a driver is less safe than in almost any other vehicle. There's a reason, that after over 100 years, cars have become similar in layout. It aids familiarisation and therefore safety. Instead of just criticising, you could, as someone who knows, simply explain how the particular button works, so we could all know for next time. But being helpful seems less likely with internet posts, easier to be vindictive.
Even a simple operation such as automatic lights don’t work in rain, snow, fog etc and the driver who is supposed to be in control doesn’t switch them on manually! We need to instruct drivers how to drive. In the UK I notice many drivers are unable to reverse but they have a licence.
Where I live, at one time the testers had a reputation for failing learners on reversing evenly between the set of poles depicting a parking spot. They were so anal about it that being more to one side by a mere few inches was an instant fail. Naturally as it was a group being tested, the other learners waiting to try their turn all joined in with the instructors adding to the pressure for a fail of the one reversing. Sadly while they focused on that , the real on road testing had so many glaring deficiencies. SMH....
@@AllanT-nu4rw that’s interesting. I’m quite old and the test involved quite a bit of reversing. In London, I understand they only need to reverse out of a parking bay. When they come out into the countryside they are totally screwed when having to reverse 50 or more meters to allow a truck to pass. Let alone when they are towing and usually totally lost.
I'm of the opinion that the more complex something becomes the more built in fail ponts you get. Electrical devices are glitchy, and the more we rely on them the more they bite us in the arse.
@@AllanT-nu4rw I think you are refering to parallel parking, which is a test of your ability to understand the space your car takes up on the road. If you can't maneuver your car at slow speed into a parking stall in reverse it brings to question your ability to maneuver your car in any situation. THats why they did that strict testing. Since that is not tested as rigerously anymore you get lower quality drivers on the road.
As Star Trek Chief Engineer Scott said: "The more they complicate the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."
Great work MGUY , keep spreading the truth.
What i want to know is, where did i give my consent to participation on this safety trial? I didnt sign up to put my life at risk by sharing the road wirh driverless cars.
PIN THIS!
I did not sign up to put my life at risk by sharing the road with reckless drivers either. Or did I ????
The government doesn't need your consent to put you or your children's lives at risk
Our DOT, and DOJ for that matter, turns a blind eye to anything wrong with any EV. Our institutions have failed us.
@@randylahey1232 Private industry is putting our lives at risk where the government is simply turning a blind eye to it. I hope that clears things up.
Autonomous vehicles can only ever be reactionary inn nature - recognizing and then responding to what they interpret in the world around them. Whereas human drivers are typically looking and thinking ahead - anticipating - relating previous experiences and considering possibilities. In Australia: "I've seen 'roos crossing here before, and there are dead ones beside the road. Maybe I'll slow down and keep my wits about me." How could a chunk of (human crafted) code ever hope to think across all these dimensions simultaneously?
"We think, perhaps to dream" Of course dreams are memories of life experiences, coupled with what we believe could be.
Well, your example of a "known roo area" is actually easy to imagine. Just as Waze keeps a short term memory of reported hazards, one can easily imagine a longer term persistent database of hazards, available to the AI as the car proceeds.
An autonomous vehicle can certainly anticipate hazards and react accordingly. Right now, the Tesla FSD appears to be disconnected from the navigation system... So it doesn't seem to anticipate situations the navigation database might flag. It really seems like the FSD relies almost exclusively on what the cameras are seeing.
Still, these systems are in their infancy, so I would chalk up the shortcomings you mention to how new these systems are, not to what is or is not possible.
There is a terrible flaw in that logic. As AI and learning is shared. A computer knows much more than any human. Your example relies on an individual driver having knowledge. AI means that a car that’s never been on that road can learn from the 1000’s of other cars that have driven down it in the past. That’s not the current state, but given where we were 10 years ago to now, it’s totally feasable.
Autonomous vehicles will NEVER be able to cope with the numerous hazards of narrow country lanes with their flooded potholes, indeterminate road boundaries, rocks very close to the road concealed in overgrown grass verges, and a carriageway too narrow to allow two vehicles to easily pass.
Think of all the money he will save by omitting the steering wheel and the brake pedal.
I see much more $$ spent in lawsuits, i could be in error.
Every penny counts.
*brake*. Braking is what you do to avoid breaking.
The musk delusion has reached it peak with this one.
Kinda like the professional gambler, but he stops when all the money is gone, and no one to lend him more. "Thank government for all it takes in taxes, and then gives away".
The guy is completely nuts, he should be in jail with a straitjacket on.
Like that guy that created the internet. Imagine thinking that every house would have its own computer and they would all be connected. And we would shop on there and do anything we wanted. Yeah. That’s what you sound like.
The great advantage of having an actual person at the steering wheel is that humans have the in-built biological imperative of self-preservation. Computers not so much.
Not just other traffic, pedestrians, street signs and impromptu road work. Sleet, ice, wind, freezing rain and snow that covers all road paint. Many LED traffic lights can't melt the snow, so they can be completely obscured.
It’s AI, do you think if that was an issue they’d have done something? 🤦♂️
@@user-ln7of9gs4s Yes, like banning autonomous vehicles from public roads.
My Tesla 3 LR drives me from my office in Arlington out to Leesburg,Va using highways and suburban roads daily. No issues
No issues until one of the Chinesium electronic components controlling the vehicle decides to self-destruct.
It probably takes someone dying and Elon being held accountable before the madness stops.
FSD cars with drivers present already kill people and driverless taxis have hit cyclists and pedestrians, resulting in death already. The safety of the general public doesn't seem to matter to the "technology at any cost" crowd.
Which will never happen. He is too wealthy. And his cult is too dedicated to allow that to happen.
What Musk appears to be arguing is that there will always be deaths, but with his technology there will be far fewer overall. Even if this happens to be true the dead’s relatives will still have their day in court, and the lawyers will be arguing population statistics. Perhaps a portion of Tesla’s profits should go into an escrow fund to pay compensation, without question, when such incidents occur.
What do they do with retractable bollards? Any thoughts?
Self driving cars will never be able to make a moral judgement like avoid a child or crash!
EXACTLY! the programming is based on the cultural norms of the programmer. For example, Japanese culture reveres the elderly, while Americans value children more. Who decides what is right?
False. They do it all the time. If you watched the presentation, you’d know. These cars are being summoned in parking lots with no driver inside the vehicle.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s So a self driving car would choose to destroy itself rather than kill a child on the road? I doubt that very much.
With no door handles inside or out it should be easy to get out of in the event of a fire (not)
Another success on the heels of the CyberWankPanzer.
We aren't even able to automate trains, which is a million times simpler. How anyone would entrust their life to a technology that comes with a million liability disclaimers is beyond me. If it was safe they would simply hire an insurance company and stand behind their product to build confidence in a new product.
Trains in airports, subway trains all over the world etc... don't seem to have anyone operate them. On the other hand, I don't know how anyone would step into an airplane seeing there's nothing under them. Yes, I know millions have flown them to show their reliability. Well there are millions FSD miles as well. But if you don't want to get your feet wet, then don't.
@@1tuyenp In the context of our discussion we are talking about automation that is capable of doing the job of a human train operator on existing rails, being able to drive the train anywhere on the rail network. The trains you are referring to can't do anything even close and have the level of sophistication equivalent to an elevator. Just like elevators they can only operate in a tightly controlled environment built specifically for these trains. Just like an elevator it has no ability to share it's tracks with any other trains, deal with any ground level crossings or using any other train tracks outside it's own system. The trains are simple automation and aren't capable to dealing any obstruction, such as debris or if a person is on the tracks.
To use these trains the entire rail system is engineered and built for them. A self contained system that must always have a continuous obstruction free path (underground or above ground. To avoid debris or killing a person that ended up on the tracks the stations require walls with a second set of doors exactly as you see with elevators, having two doors.
@@jimk3 It looks like you are moving the goal post. You said we can't even automate trains. Then I pointed out that there are tons of different kinds of trains from airport trains to subway to bullet trains all over the world. Maybe they have not automate the old trains in the US. But if they could automate bullet trains all over the world, they could have automate trains in the US. Maybe they might have to redesign the tracks, the platforms. But trains are not that difficult when you can control the environment. But for cars, you should really get a Tesla with FSD. You will be amazed how it deals with various things on the road: cars, trucks, obstacles, padestrians. Waymo, Mercedes systems can operate in tightly controlled environments like you said. But Tesla FSD is something else. It seems to be designed to deal with anything at it. You just have to experience it yourself. Until you do, I don't think you can comprehend how far self driving have gone.
@@1tuyenp Well I guess you woudl consider a car driving around a closed off parking lot as self driving then. The goal post didn't move, you just cited a bad example by not thinking about it. If you want to consider those legitimate self driving trains, so be it.
@@1tuyenpFSD averages 13 miles between human intervention. That is several orders of magnitude short of what is needed.
Legislation must be brought in that makes the car manufacturer liable for damage caused by self driving cars. A minimum liability should be imposed such as £1m minimum per death, minimum of £250k per injury.
Solar City - Bankrupt
Hyperloop - Shelved
Tesla Semi - Delayed
Cybertruck - Garbage
Robotaxi - Pie in the Sky
Tesla EV - Missed rev est by 4%,8% and 16% over the last three quarters.
RUclips changed the words in your post to become hot links so that I could go purchase a type or cyber truck or a robotaxi.
And now they are gone, after i replied.
RUclips just can’t help itself on screwing with the GUI and making it worse every chance it gets and then plastering over its errors, like it did right there.
and thats just tesla, its same lies over at Space X. The guy should really be in jail
And yet there are people that still like Elon.
@@julieta203why? Because he is doing so good?
@@markseehawer3762and yet there’s people that still like you. 🤔
How fitting he did the reveal at Warner Bros studios. It certainly is cartoonish.
Birds, bollards and balls (bouncing into the road 😂) - just a few more things that might confuse driverless cars 😆
true... even blindingly bright flashlights and bright laser pointeers.
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 Yes, absolutely 👍
RUclips temporarily modified your comment by hot-linking “bollards” so that I can go buy bollards using the link. But then they were gone. YT is a mess.
We're not even safe on the pavements anymore.
Autonomous vehicles will work if:- 1. They are moving slowly. 2. They are following a predicted path. 3. There are no other vehicles operation in the vicinity.
A good example of this is the use of agricultural machinery in fields. This technology is developing fast and has vast potential.
An autonomous car meets non of the above criteria so is very unlikely to be of any value for the foreseeable future.
Keep up the good work MGUY.
They are already on the road to late.
Meanwhile, Tesla still cannot get its vehicles to navigate its Vegas tunnel on their own.
My concern is when you automate any device tractor or other wise you eliminate jobs. You do enough of this and you will have a negitive impact on the economy. IT is getting harder for low skilled labour to find work now. How's this going to look in the future. Who is going to pay for all these job losses when you continuely shrink your tax base?
@@markseehawer3762 I agree, but you could have said the same thing about the development of the water powered spinning frame by Richard Arkwright in the 1760's. There has been a steady loss of unskilled and semi skilled labour in farming over the past 100 years, but this has to some extent been replaced by more skilled jobs in agricultural sciences and engineering.
@@sunjun222 As with many things of late such, as AI, EV's and all that is associated with the obsession for net-zero, politicians are trying to force people to adopt different behaviors, not by explaining or demonstrating they are more convenient or less expensive, but by force. Unfortunately, in a democratic society this method won't work.
Road safety should always come well before profits, but these days it comes a well second.
Well i would say that if the vehicle has no driver inputs then any accidents they are involved in are 100% on Tesla, since unlike their "fully self-driving" system which still says the driver must remain alert that wouldn't be an option so the occupants or owner of the car have no control over how it is driven
I can see in the future where a cybercab is running over pedestrians while the interior smells like one of those famous red London phone booths.
Well, they couldn't use the word 'Crash' in the 'Shares Fall' story... I'm happy with my own self steering car where I get in, close the door, and steer it myself.
When I'm on freeway, my Tesla often complains that I drive too close to one side of the lane or the other. I didn''t realize that before with other cars. But with the Tesla I can see that I do move from one side of the lane to the other. So I got tired of the Tesla dinging me, I let it drive itself. Boy did it keep the car exactly in the middle of the lane like on rail. I'm not saying a Tesla would be better than you drive yourself, and if driving on the freeway is just about keeping the car in the middle of the lane, but I just want to let you know what I experienced.
Years ago, I worked for the Department of Motor Transport and got involved in a workshop on the legal implications of sel-driving cars. I expect it will take far longer to get the legal problems solved than developing a "safe" driverless car.
They should make the Cybercab pass a full driving test first. Practical and theory.
My son, who's 16 and just has his L's, says he is happy to learn on my 2006 Forester than a newer car because he says he can focus on driving skills and not on the alerts and warnings of newer cars.
He has learned fast and I'm happy to let him drive as he needs to get his 120 hours before doing his P test. I've tried to be a good role model for him for the last few years and I'm glad he's taken the lessons to heart. He says my car is close to what he thinks he will get as his first car.
I want one of these cybercab in the chaotic streets of New Delhi.
They'll fit right in 😇they have AI (Ambitious Indian)
What a torrent of videos that would produce due to how many crashes would happen.
I would never get in a self driving car no matter what it ran on
Anybody remember Isaac Asimov's
Three Laws of Robotics? (1942)
1)A robot may not injure a human being,or by inaction,
allow a human being to come to harm.
2)A robot must obey orders given to it by human beings,
except where such orders would conflict with the first law.
3)A robot must protect it's own existence as long as such protection
does not conflict with the first or second law.
It seems ethics exist only in fiction.
Ethics also vary from culture to culture. For example, Japan values the elderly, while Americans value children more. It's not a question of who is right or wrong but a conundrum for the programmers. This is why self driving cars will ultimately fail.
@fredsilva7274 6es Americans value children more hence gunshot being the leading cause of death of school kids
Once again, thank you, Simon for the very informative video on this subject. Cheers mate from Canada.🇨🇦🇦🇺
These will work perfectly! In his Las Vegas “HyperLoop.”
3 years in operation and the cars are still driven by humans.
@@maifantasia3650 I was being sarcastic. They delete my comets if I use a sarcasm tag or funny face thing.
If it’s anything like the other Tesla announcements, you’ll order a cab and three years later (at least) it’ll arrive.
God help us all if they ever release an cyber ambulance, no one would get to hospital alive
The safety regulators are paranoid about safety of driver less trains on tracks.Can you imagine the safety implications and the complexities of driverless cars.
A couple things... Trains transport a lot of hazardous materials such that even one train wreck can have catastrophic results. Cars... they crash every day. And in this day and age, people walk away from some terrible crashes with minor or no injuries. So, the bar to exceed current car safety rates is pretty darn low. Trains are pretty darn safe, so the bar is a lot higher. Just like airplanes - nobody would accept developments that put us back at the accident rate of the 40s and 50s...
Autonomous vehicles sound like a liability nightmare. But it Musk is so confident in these. Let him be personally responsible for any accidents they cause.
The current forecast for fully autonomous vehicles without any human input is the year 2070. We are a long way off yet.
Until recently I shared your view, although I was thinking more like 2050. Having upgraded my Model 3 self driving computer last month, and doing a lot of longer ( 200 mile ) trips, I'd say the progress in the FSD stack surprised me. If Tesla can keep up the current rate of improvement, FSD by the end of the decade might not be impossible...
How on earth is Tesla allowed to beta-test their self-driving insanity on public roads?
Well, depends on whether you are asking "why are they allowed a little legalese in a term and condition that the driver probably didn't even fully read, to shift responsibility from their software to a mostly clueless driver?"
Or are you asking why we as citizens haven't made it very clear to our leaders that we don't find this situation tolerable?
But then, you might as well ask why we accept people messing with their phones while operating a 3 ton death machine, with a "wink wink nudge nudge" acceptance that while it's TECHNICALLY illegal, probably 90% of drivers do it. ( The remaining 10% probably don't have phones ).
Just look at the "jonny cab", in the film Total Recall for a glimpse of the future.
I watched this on the TV news this evening, 😅😅😅I couldn't stop laughing,
EV's meet AI the two biggest failure's of our time, what could possibly go wrong 🤣
There were people like you that didn’t think that the internet would succeed.
@@Audioremedy0785 What a silly strawman argument, Who on earth said they thought the internet would fail !?!? Like who ever said that ever !?!? and how are EV's analogous to the internet exactly ????
@@rocketmunkey1 the point is that it’s a future technology. One that is groundbreaking and will develop over time. There was a huge amount of people that didn’t see any purpose for the internet and were sceptical of its vision to be as dominating a technology that it is. Go back and watch videos of people talking about the idea of the internet in the late 80’s and early 90s.
People are sceptical of new technology. The reality is that this Mguy moron is saying it won’t be something that happens soon [but will eventually]. The difference is that people like Elon Musk are pushing to make it happen and will make it happen sooner rather than later.
People would have said that 10 years ago it would be impossible for electric cars to be as mainstream as they are now.
Your right about AI but very wrong on EVs
@@stratvids Not for the next 100 years I'm not, battery technology just isnt there, it needs to double or halve in every metric, double the range, half the size, double the lifespan, half the price before its a viable technology for cars. and doesn't spontaneously combust at the slightest knock.
What FSD fans don't seem to understand is that self driving cars don't have to just be better than human drivers, they have to be perfect. The reason being that every time a FSD vehicle mows down a family crossing in a crosswalk, it will generate headlines like "ROBOT CAR KILLS FAMILY, AND DRIVES AWAY!". Even if human drivers do that a 100 times more often, that's not the message people will get. And for FSD cars to be allowed on the road, the general public must be convinced of their safety, and I'm not sure that's doable.
Those Waymo's are also based on recalled for fire issue Jaguar i-paces. Plus with the reputable build quality of Tesla's i would dread going in a completely automated one.
Humans usually have "self preservation" built in, usually makes you stop when in danger of harm, even when enclosed in the steel of a car.
No steering wheel and no pedals how will they be loaded onto the ships or the trucks for delivery
What if it gets befuddled by something and just stops. How can it be manually driven out?
It's a horrendously bad idea, and those humanoid robots too, welcome to Skynet.
Self driving cars do not belong on public roads as they are a danger to all... The can for example not understand hand signals or instructions given by emergency personnel directing traffic in an emergency, they just ignore them and drive around them no matter what signals they give or instructions they are given. That ALONE is reason enough for a driver to be sent to jail, for a long time !!!
I wouldnt go near one either mate.
and as a feature comes with spontaneous combustion
P T Barnum would be proud 😊
It's a suicide pod on wheels. Except when it's in Terminator mode.
Yes! Terminator mode would actually be "self" destruction. _[it's not a living being to be a self.]_
They are already on the road in certain states. Other companies already drive automatically.
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 The suicide is the passenger choosing to get in in the first place.
Self-driving cars are pure madness, nothing more than a pipedream!
Autonomous vehicles are about two ideals in America, relative to Large Cities, where most Hegelians reside
1- Total Government control, think Ayn Rand “Atlas Shrugged” as this accurately represents the Hegelians currently controlling Washington DC
2- The elite who desire their own personal mode of transportation, unassociated with current smelly, germ infested cabs and commuter trans (cattle cars), and roadway jammed traffic. Something along the lines of Star Trek. The neat, perfect, city utopia.
The reality, autonomous cars will become another congestion point to an already overly congested city. Moving, enclosed, temperature controlled sidewalks would be more useful. You could even fit them with sleeping bunks, showers and soup kitchens to accommodate the homeless, and mini police stations to thwart criminals. The other solution is to deploy Sky Trams at various elevations, to key, high traffic points.
Ah yes, the delights of the 15 Minute Cities, where people will be unable to leave- without permission from their Lords and Masters, oh sorry I meant "elected leaders." I'm sure it'll be paradise; I'm also very glad that I'm old & won't ever have to live in such a marvelous place!
Is there such a shortage of people that we need self driving taxis?
No, just a shortage of corporations willing to pay a living wage.
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Who pays the insurance for self driving cars? The owner says I wasn't driving it, I just own it.
If you mean true self driving level 5 cars, clearly at the point the car drives itself without requiring human monitoring or intervention, the company that sells the self driving feature needs to stand behind it. At that point, if the car causes a crash, the AI company has to be liable.
All technology can be defeated they all have their flaws. There are youtube videos on how to beat thermal imaging cameras, how to be hidden and not seen. Human eyes have flaws and reflections and poor light we see things that are not there. At certain angle of the sun, as it goes down, smooth tarmacadam looks like a mirror. I should imagine, mist, smoke, fog, heat haze, particulates in the air all affect the sensors of self driving vehicles.
What if cameras will get dirty? Or there will be heavy rain, one drop on a lens and camera is useless😅
Cybercrap
It's a bit like giving 5-year-olds drivers licenses and letting them lose in the city.
What about the Indian girl driving her brothers tesla in Malvern a few years ago and hitting a nurse getting off the tram at cabrini hospital. The Indian girl has been jailed. The poor victim is suffering still
Shouldn't the car have been jailed instead of the Indian girl? She was just sitting in this self-driving car, wasn't she? I'm sorry for both victims here.
At least the Indian girl isn't driving in the cell.
Elon Musk playing with his toys at a Sci-Fi movie lot.
For almost a decade now tesla owners have heard their own cars could be used as robot taxis, and now Elon Musk will have a robot taxi in 3 year, i do not understand, the overall idea was to use the tesla as a robot taxi while we did not use our car, and now we must buy an additional car designed for a special purpose!?
What is going on!?
That was a lie to pump stock. Elon's fraudulent house of cards is on the verge of collapse.
I heard him say something along the lines of "blah blah robotaxi and of course your model 3 and Ys". I took it to mean "your vehicle purpose built to act as an autonomous taxi, and also the vehicles I've been promising this for the last 10 years".
The real question is why anyone would give any credence to him on schedule for autonomy. I think it will happen, maybe by the end of the decade, but I don't give any credence to Elon's predicted timetable. When it actually ships, I'll consider it, until then it's something interesting to keep an eye on..
Yes, there was much about the Musk presentation which was particularly galling. Pertinent to your video were his outrageous statements about autonomous transport being safer than humans. They then had a few clips on a loop of traffic accident avoidance, the type of thing which humans achieve millions of times a day, with no issue.
sorry but i kinda like driving my car, and I like smelly fuel cars xd
It will be interesting to see them on a busy street in India.
I'm actually considering buying an electric vehicle and I'm fairly certain it will be an excellent choice.
I'm sick of having to bend over and fill the tank of my lawnmower every time I mow the lawn and I like the idea of a ride on mower that I only need plug in and prey it doesn't burn my house down so I think I'll buy it a dog house to live in that's made of metal and positioned well away from anything that can burn.
The best thing about this kind of electric vehicle is when it runs out of charge you're already home.
I hope you can afford four lawnmowers then: The electric one costs twice as much, and it'll soon develop a fault which will cost as much to fix as a new mower...
😂😂😂👍👍👍
@@pistonburner6448 I was going to give a joke answer but as I can barely afford a normal ride on and don't really have a need I will heed your advice.
However a local supermarket chain is having a specially on push type electric mowers that is actually tempting especially as it takes the same battery packs as my other power tools.
@@anomamos9095 What the woke democrats do nowadays is use their new slave class, the immigrants, give them a pair of scissors or scythe (if they're lucky), and say: "Get to work!"
@@pistonburner6448 👍👍
I buy a personal car because I don’t want other people driving my car and because I don’t want to take the bus. Handing over your car to dirty disgusting strangers to rent and then trying to get it back when you actually need to use it sounds like a nightmare.
It's not a bad shape. Just needs a 3.2L V6, manual box, steering wheel and 3 pedals and he could be on to a winner. But we have self driving cars right now, they are called taxis and they are driven by humans.
Finally someone who knows how to use "self" in the deceptive term "self-driving" .... i call them SGCs / Software Guided Conveyances.
Another two cylinders in that block and were on a winner.
Go back to 1989.
@@davewatson2124 Gets a bit front heavy with a V8. Let's keep the weight down and make it nimble. Or we could go with a high revving 2 litre. When I look at that shape I just think Datsun 240Z or 260Z and that was borrowed from somewhere else. I forget where.
@@thehairygolfer Fair enough. It's just that i love the rumble of the V8 sound.
self driving cars are vulnerable to being stopped by thieves and assailants. All they have to do is stand in front ands the cars sensors stop the vehicle. Its already happening.
I just read an article about how the California police are not exactly loving their new Tesla Y model cars😂😂😂
Making cops drive EVs is fantastic 😂
I just read a post about how people are not loving their 5.3 liter engines blowing up because of poor quality.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s its because of poor quality like you said. No one wants that in ANY car. But they WANT a gas truck and NOT an EV truck is the point.
Hell no, correct answer.