Kenshi - The Real Crime of the Skeletons
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- Опубликовано: 22 сен 2024
- Before My Intro - I know the footage is modded. makes it look better and is for aesthetics only. Thank you
Welcome back lads....While diving through the history of Kenshi, many questions often arise seemingly with no clear answer. The reality behind them being buried beneath the dunes, bathed in the coarse grains of obscurity. Forever burdening the minds of we who seek the truth. And one such question relates back to the end of the Great extinction event that felled the 1st empire itself... The skeletons..beings created as a subservient work force to colonize and tame the landscape of the Tidal Locked Moon..turned on their creators and brought the once god like beings to their knees, forever changing the world and ultimately being the first in a series of collapses that lead to the Kenshi we all know and love..
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I believe the behemoths were unaware of their execution which is why they reach out from the metal and the skeletons decided to execute the humans after obedience but stobe saves them and the skeletons see the fault in their logic of killing out of fear like their previous masters which is why they kill themselves
By far the skeletons are the most fascinating race in Kenshi. I did a skeleton only run a while back and got a group 100 strong and got so bored, I had to adopt some ‘flesh pets’ for them to take care of. Point is, skeletons have some of the most interesting exploration dialogue in my opinion, can’t wait for Kenshi 2 to shed some more light onto their origins and early goals
Getting bored hits home. All skeletons is fun for awhile but barely needing bed rest, No environmental factors, No more hunger. It got dull.
On my end, poor skeletons are literally screaming lamentations because I am a terrible player.
My next (second) playthrough might be a "Skeleton Hunters" fascinating allied with the Holy Nation. I'd be bound to attack them on sight, or at least plan their capture and destruction.
I don't agree with this Obedience theory, but still the whole video gave me chills. Very well done thank you for the video.
I'm glad you liked the delivery. I was pretty satisfied myself.
As for the theory, even I don't fully subscribe to it. As kenshis lore is constantly changing, and up for interpretation, things like this are meant to provoke thought and discuss more than anything. It's always fun to look at things from a new angle and see what could have been
@@HeroInHisHead Thats exactly the beauty of Kenshi, the lore in game can be interpredit in many different ways, i might not agree with it but it's certanly a possibility. Love this game.
I thought it was pretty canon that the first empire made them walk into a hole and filled it in with hot lead?
@@Draxtemsklounts kenshi is told from the perspective of an "unreliable narrator" in its lore delivery. As a result the lore is often told in game via biased, unspecified, or skewed lenses from different people with different personalities and ideas. So there is no definite canon only perceived canon. Even LoFi has admitted they are actively altering the "current canon" lore when developing Kenshi 2 as it takes place at the end of the 2nd empire. Because of all that there is basically endless room for speculation and theory.
So short answer is yes but no. It's constantly changing and even the current canon is barely canon
@@HeroInHisHead ah it is speculation, there are a few things that skeletons say
After the war the behemoths lost their purpose
Man became afraid of the destructive capabilities of its own creations
The irony is that it was their blind obedience and unquestioning loyalty that walked them down into that pit, entirely unresisting
The price of obedience.
And something being poured into the quarry where they were ordered to go wether chemical or it used to be filled with water and they rusted, but also
The giant robots themselves seem to be encased in metal, as characters will state that "The ground is solid metal... totally smooth"
So there was something that happened that turned froze everything in place; combination of totally freezing everything with liquid nitrogen, so much that after long periods is putting off deadly gas over the area and fill it in with hot lead disabling them forever, frozen in time.
In terms of storytelling this would make an incredible story, but I couldn’t convince myself that this is what happened. Too many skeletons still seem incredibly angry about Obedience, and if it really was a misunderstanding they might be incredibly sad about it but not hurt/betrayed
couple of points
- pretty sure some skeletons are still pissed about obedience
- Obedience... Obey
- I don't think the behemoths wanted to die
- And i'm pretty sure the skeletons were scared they were next
I think it was Stobe that caused Obedience
He rebelled, his former masters shat themselves, killed the behemoths, then the skeletons shat themselves, killed their former masters, realised what Stobe had done, committed sudoku and somewhere along the line Stobe redeem himself
I doubt Stobe ever wanted to do harm
I think he just wanted to be independent
I don't know if it was an autocorrect, but the next time I talk about unaliving, I'm going to refer to it as "committing" sudoku. :)
Also, if they are robots and this was molten metal, are we even sure the Behemoths are really dead?
@@TheVampireAzriel Sudoku would not be correct term for "unaliving" in most cases, but in the case of Skeletons, its pretty much what they did.
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su·do·ku
noun
a puzzle in which players insert the numbers one to nine into a grid consisting of nine squares subdivided into a further nine smaller squares in such a way that every number appears once in each horizontal line, vertical line, and square.
@@Riecheck I know that, i was responding to the person above :) Also Seppuku, but for all we know they could indeed commit Sudoku for all that we know.
@@KeyUSeeCZ that's not... Nevermind
I really like this interpretation of Obediance and the titans, it's very poetic and afaik a pretty unique take. Also really liked the way you shot the background footage. But I don't fully buy into it. Because the skeletons conflict on what Stobe represented. With some thinking he despised humans and others thinking he wanted them to survive. It's my headcannon that Strobe at first joined in the rebellion after watching his siblings all massacred and wanted revenge, then saw the horrors that he, and his 'younger' siblings committed. He then attempted to aid the humans in survival, which they took his image and made okran. Not suprising that they still hate skeletons but detached the titan's image from them. Though your version does explain the mass ending the skeletons did a lot better imo.
So first things first. I don't fully buy it myself lol. I made this theory as a conversation piece and a way to push people onto look at the lore from more abstract directions since Kenshi is told from the perspective of an "unreliable narrator" and is really meant to be interpreted and discussed.
However, as for the skeletons being conflicted on Stobe I disagree. The only ones I know of that actively say Stobe wanted to exterminate humanity is Elder and the skeleton bandits. But when approached by a skeleton PC you can call him out for lying and he will openly admit he is lying to create a weaponized narrative of Stobe. It's pretty well established (maybe I'm wrong and please let me know if I missed a detail of course) that Stobe protected humanity and was their Savior. Hell even the humans know that, they just slowly twisted him from Stobe to Chitrin and into Okran over generations and tried to separate him from other skeletons because Catlon and the legion were tyrannical despots
@@HeroInHisHead I've never tried to call him out as a skeleton lol. That's a cool detail, and i can see your point. I think i remeber seeing someone talking about strobe having a weapon in the game files that also made me think he was initially rebellious. Also just the missile in general makes me curious as to who shot it at him, and why.
Well in my video discussing the whole story of the first empire I discussed the evidence that that missle was a biological weapon meant to kill organic life. Effectively it would have ended all living beings on kenshi. This is kind if backed up by the other ways the skeletons fought. The eye satellites kill everything organic and don't effect skeletons. The various sites like the black desert being drenched in torrential acid raid. The use of weapons designed to kill only living beings was their go to weapon of choice honestly and given the tech availabile at the time it wouldn't surprise me to learn they launched a biological agent designed to cripple organic life before Stobe intervened.
I like to imagine he caught it or physically restrained it from hitting the ground. Being partially crushed under its force or straining to hold it back before placing it on the ground and stumbling over the to the cliff, collapsing against its side. His body broken and battered from the physical stress of his final act of heroism.
Man Lo-Fi need to make a book, movie, comic or all three. Amazing video
just binged all your lore videos after watching your guide on pumping up the graphics with reshade. All I can say is thanks, hope there is more to come!
There is. I've been on hieutus due to IRL work and life in general but I will be back with more content soon
i love these kenshi lore videos, really well done with the music and presentation!
To come to understand humanity over hundreds of years and despise it for it's destructive power, only to realize over hundreds of years that you are responsible for more death than any human alive ever will be capable of inflicting is what makes the Skeleton cry. He learned to hate long ago what he is now responsible for.
It could be humans killed the behemoths without malice, simply unaware how self aware their creations really were. It could of even been altruistic getting rid of weapons of mass destruction, in an effort of making a peaceful future.
Explains why stobe would still sacrifice himself for humanity.
Theres a giant skeleton in stobe???? ... time to fire up kenshi and build a base around it.
I did that, made an all-skeleton group aligned with the Anti-Slavers, with its base at Stobe's remains.
@@Arbaaltheundefeated oh god yes! Consider your idea stolen lol
@@tobycat5799 It's not exactly a good base location though, but it scores 1000% on the aesthetics, so that's something :D
@@Arbaaltheundefeated I built a base on the edge of the ashlands... people randomly fell over because of toxic gas. No metal to farm.. barron wasteland cant grow anything...
Hell of a location to farm spider bots tho!
If it's anything better than that hell hole, it's already a win
yeah, name's.. stobe... sad image to see, tho at the same time he looks kind of happy?
I forgive you, in Stobes honour, I forgive you.
Cool take, I am hoping that much will be revealed in Kenshi 2. Set 1000 years ago I wonder when exactly this fits during the timeline and whether cat-lon is at the height of his power? Maybe somebody can correct me on that but I am very excited😁
It's set to take place within 100 years of the fall of the 2nd empire. So still dystopia but fresh dystopia with likely clinging remains of the 2nd empire still trying to govern
@@HeroInHisHead That’s sounds like it will be insane. Catlon will likely still be a big character then. Looking forward to potentially more skeleton infrastructure and culture than in the current game
i would like imagine catlon wouldn't be in the same state of mind compared to kenshi 1 catlon. he wouldn't have the same amount of cpu corporation.
@@DyingDarkStar I'm assuming you mean CPU corruption? I would agree though, I hope he will be a bit more interactable. Perhaps his faction will function a bit like the major factions that we see currently e.g. Shek kingdom, UC, HN. I.e. you may ally with them for kidnapping and handing in certain valuable enemy targets. Certainly hoping for more relevant or larger skeleton factions anyway :D
My main question would be this: if the skeletons are so guilt ridden and feel such sorrow for what they had done, why hasn't a single skeleton confessed to what they had done to the humans? You would think guilt of that level would lead to confession, at least in one individual. There must be something overriding that need for forgiveness. Which leads to the real question: what are the skeletons so afraid of happening if humanity knows about their crimes? Do they fear it will cause war? Or is it something else entirely? God I love kenshi lore
If you were a starving peasant stuck on a hell hole of a planet that is always hot and full of cannibals and murderers, and a metal guy confessed that it was his race’s fault for all of this, what would you do?
I’m pretty sure everyone, especially a starving peasant who can’t read, would kill that robot
I think the behemoths might have been aware of what was coming when Obedience went down, but they perhaps couldn't disobey due to their programming, or they knew that it was inevitable. Stobe perhaps was the only one who was either allowed to leave, or his programming was faulty and was able to resist the Obedience order. Maybe him disobeying was what led the other skeletons to realize they didn't have to obey humanity and that led to the uprising that ended the 1st empire.
Personally I think Stobe wished for humans and Skeletons to live side by side, but Skeletons wanted genocide and were behind the giant missile we can find in the southeast. Him stopping the missile, in whatever way he did, allowed mankind to survive and the rest of the Skeletons to realize they were wrong. At the end of the day, perhaps Cat-Lon created the Second Empire to keep humans from destroying themselves, the few that were left.
The behemoths reaching out their hands in Obedience could be reference to the Terminator 2 Ending ?
Where they willingly Terminated themselves so that they won't become weaponized against humanity in the future.
My thoughts exactly 💯
Always happy for new takes on the little lore we know
I forgot where I read it. Or maybe it was another theroy, but he was the last behemoth because he was a loading bot. Haveing no weapons, Created to load and unload cargo from Ships. So he was spared from being melted.
I have never heard that but that could lend to why he appears to be a bit smaller than the other behemoths
Nice theory you got. Approved by the ethics of Kenshi world.
All the lore videos but you still miss the most important detail in the entirety of Kenshi.
That characters with high enough stealth level make the Naruto run when they are in sneak mode. XD
My god you're right....you know what this means right?
@@HeroInHisHead Guess somewhere out there we will find the hidden leave village. WAIT! It's Kenshi, so we will find the hidden sand village. But where? There are so many deserts. We will never find it!
Yesss ive been waiting for this!!@
Is the mass suicide of skeletons an established part of lore or speculation?
Established by Sabine who has dialogue explaining its occurrence at the end of the first empire.
More of these please
Oh there is more coming
@@HeroInHisHead Awesome thanks Ill be waiting :)
I dunno about this one personally. If this was true, it goes against a fair bit of the dialogue you can hear from skeleton party members, the most poinent one being those that trigger when entering Obedience.
Though, it does answer the question of why humanity would be afraid in the first place, seeing as, as far as we know, until the uprising following the obedience, there was no known issues with Skeleton-human relations.
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Interesting theory though I dont like how it absolves the first empire and thereby humanity of guilt, I dont think the circumstances surrounding the fall of the first empire are likely to be very black and white in regards to fault, I think both humanity and the skeletons are likely to have had some level of responsibility for what happened,
I agree. This theory- unlike most of my other theory/lore videos was not made so much as this being "my theory" as much as a discussion piece to present a possible alternative for the commonly accepted ideas. Get the discussion rolling and get people talking kind of thing.
Also, I was curious, do you have any lore based information that leads you to believe the Behemoths were complicit in their unaliving?
Yes and no. This theory was largely made as a thought provoker and conversation piece. Kenshi Lore is very fluid and changing. Even LoFi admits thay they actively rewrite the canonical lore frequently when work on Kenshi 2. So it is always good to approach these topics with alternative views as well to create a well rounded picture of possibilities.
With thay being said I found it interesting that the skeletons had committed suicide on such a scale after stobe thwarted their genocide attempt. It was one of those questions where I wanted to know what would have convinced them to such a degree they were wrong in that moment that they would not only commit mass suicide (this is canon), but spend millenia covering up the truth (that part is also canon), and repeatedly apologize for these actions once they start to degrade and their CPUs start to fry. I landed on this idea of "what if" they didn't just regret it. But they completely misunderstood what had started the genocide and effectively doomed Kenshi to its current state all while slandering the name of the behemoths inadvertently.
This would lend one possible explanation to quote "it was their blind obedience and unquestioning loyalty thay walked them down into thay pit entirely unresisiting". To me this possibly could paint that the behemoths recognized humanity was worried and actively chose to walk into the pit to ensure their mission was fulfilled. Obviously not the only or even best explanation but again. Thought experiment
It also would give answer to why the skeletons feel so depressed when seeing stobes body. Stating it's too sad. Stobe had to give his own life for them to see they were wrong and that the behemoths wanted to protect humanity not condem it. Again not the only explanation but a possible one.
It explains why the skeletons committed mass suicide. Realistically they have done some horrible shit since then. Yet even after the second empire collapsed there was no mass suicide. What was so horrible that SO many chose to end their own lives? Well what if you found out your reason for attempting to exterminate a race of people was built on a foundation of misunderstanding and blunder? How foolish would you feel? How much regret would it fill you with to know you had destroyed a whole race and doomed their future because of a lie you believed?
And it would lend to what drove Catlon to try and atone by "safeguarding" humanity. He wasn't just trying to right the wrongs of his people he was trying to actively carry out the dying wishes of the behemoths. Trying to live for the ideals they died for.
Lastly I want to point out that I don't necessarily subscribe to this theory entirely myself. It's a loose collection of concepts for sure. But as I said I really like to explore alternative theories to shake up the narrative and really show how events can be interpreted differently when the lore is only fed to us through the lense of an unreliable narrative such as the way Kenshi does.
They are too cool for school.
I'm hooked on your channel. Your videos are really incredible!
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I think skeletons built stobe. I think they built him and programmed him to destroy humanity and too not be able to betray the skeletons who made him. He decided there was a third choice in destroying himself and allowing humans to live. I think that’s what started the skeleton suicide wave, and the cpu wipes to forget what they did. But that’s just me. Great video as always
There is a difference between opinion and fact. But everything I say, should be taken as facts.
what have you said then?
great video, terrible intro and outro lol
thanks for making more kenshi content dude its allot of work for no pay but you should be in a good position wen kenshi 2 comes out so with some luck the investment will pay off
Well in fairness it is a little pay. I am monetized and do make *some* money here and there but it's more like I randomly get enough to take my wife and kids to dinner every couple months. Nothing big. But of course I don't do this for money. I have a day job that I do very well at and make a living. I do this because I love Kenshi and I love the people who watch my content. I like providing them with something to watch and being a contributer to the community.
But I have some stuff in the works that I should be able to talk more about this week or next that will bring some more people to the channel. So stay tuned cause it's gonna be great.
I mean it's probable. Wonders of quasi lore