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Chibnall out, Russell back in - Obligatory Doctor Who News reaction | He Who Moans
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- Опубликовано: 18 авг 2024
- Because I'm pretty sure someone would try and sue me if I didn't bother making this video
/ stubagful
"Everyone expects Russell to come back, Jodie to regenerate back into David Tennant" Then it happened.
Jodie Whitaker's Doctor gets chopped in the thirds, then the pieces regenerate into the previous 3 Doctors. In unison, they scream at the camera, "Is this what you wanted?!" Then they explode. Russell then walks into the frame, laughing, staring at the camera. Over the rest of the episode, he keeps laughing, as more and more cast and crew members walk on to the screen, laughing. The camera pans out slowly, and it's revealed that every actor and crew member from the show for the last 20 years is there, laughing. At the end, they all explode as well.
This sounds like one of those “lost episode” creepypastas
Sounds like Monty Python to me. Although they'd probably insist everyone does the episode in drag.
@@richmcgee434 I was thinking Monty Python too... right down to imagining Steven Moffat walking on screen and saying "and now for something completely different"
@@HugoGojibiter "and then David Tennant's eyes start bleeding photorealistic blood!!!!!!!"
If it has explosions, it is what they wanted.
I personally want Russell to have a new take on the show since he's evolved as a writer and I have the feeling he's got a lot of new things to say but those who want it to be exactly like the glory days are in for a shock. It's likely the 14th Doctor will be a new actor/actress, we'll have new companions and there will be new stories. Maybe some of the old guard will come back for cameos but I think Russell is too smart to go too far into fanwanking.
I think there's something even simpler than that, to be honest. A lot of the vibe of his original era relies on limited budget and dodgy effects. If he gets the same production values as Chibnall, there's no way it's going to feel at all similar.
This is why i dislike this cause by thay logic Moffat could also be back. The ideal thing would for me would have been exec producer or writing an episode
@@FrogSkull Funny you should say that, since as a classic fan, one of the great joys of the RTD era was seeing Doctor Who with such vastly improved production values, even if it wasn't amazing compared to other TV shows at the time.
@@eccentriastes6273 It should be said though that the effects from 2005 to 2009 have aged poorly and the cinematography feels bland. Compare that to now where it's almost cinematic.
@@TheJaviferrol It's too soon for Moffat anyway. He's busy doing another show.
10:31
"Jodie to regenerate back into David Tennant"
The man's a fucking prophet.
First day back on the job, RTD announces that Eccleston is coming back and the next series will be called series 2, and that David Tennant's Doctor is no longer canon. Riots ensue as RTD laughs and howls at the podium in manic glee.
I've been seeing people asking for David Tennant back as the Doctor and it baffles me. I can't imagine how they could possibly think that's a good idea. They're so blinded by nostalgia that they think that recasting an older actor will automatically make the show good and time warp them back to 2008
My nostalgia for that era is really strong, but David's how old now, 50? Come on.
Lol
@@KrisJoshJones lol indeed... I have to put my trust in RTD to handle it well. But it definitely won't be a time warp back to 2008 like what some people were hoping for. It will hopefully be a reflection on the show's past and maybe even a reckoning of what happened to Donna. Anniversary specials are meant to be a bit fan-wanky anyway. When I wrote this comment I was imagining David coming back for a whole series/officially being branded as the 14th Doctor, and as of now it looks like neither of those are happening
That argument of "Bring back David Tennant" really reminds me of when fans were asking the showrunners to bring back Tom Baker and K9 all the way back in the 1980s
I, for one, fully believe that when David Tennant shows up on the screen next year the show will instantly become as good and fresh as it was in 2008, everybody will love it again, the ratings will multiply, Moffat will be a promising writer again, Murray Gold will be back, magic will be restored to the world, Chibnall will be erased from history, along with my last 3 break ups, the housing crash, Brexit and the coronavirus, Game of Thrones won't suck and I will instantly be de-aged by 12 years and my back pain will disappear.
"It almost seems like everyone expects Russell to come back, Jodie to regenerate back into David Tennant, it to be 2008 again, and the show to instantly turn back into the cultural and ratings powerhouse that it used to be."
When I first heard that line, I didn't believe that people thought that, but since then...
Yeah. I realise that people are definitely thinking that will be the case.
It was bubbling under well before the Tennant is 14 rumour mill started up. The second this got announced I expected people to react this way
Welp..
@@Synthpopper oops
Yknow, we differ on our opinions on series 12 and 11, but you've got it right on the money with this video. I've always had a problem with the Chibnal and Russel news coming out when we'd barely had any series 13 news and my own views on Russell's return are complicated and you seem to be the only one who agrees with me
think about this way if your were a bbc
executive and a national newspaper comes to you and that a source has told them that Russell is coming back and before they run the story
they would confirmation it's true what would you and remember in the bbc's charter it states they cannot lie
You’ve “always had a problem”? What r u psychic?
Something I don't like is how every video on Russel's return is just "Ten ways that the show should be exactly the same and not change because it was totally peeeeerrrrffeeeect"
“Jodie to regenerate into david tennant again”
"I don't get angry often"
*Checks channel content*
Well, she did regenerate into David tenant. So let’s see what else was right from that prediction.
I've been saying this all over the place, but I really hope Russell satirises the people who want just want nostalgia for his era by bringing back the absorbalof. First episode, no Doctor, just the Absorbalof.
Small problem though, he's dead....
@@theyellowlightsaber3193 I mean, there is a whole planet of Absorbaloffs out there.
@@edwardgrierson1460 He said "bring back" as in return, which he cant, nothing was said about another one
@@theyellowlightsaber3193 How about a prequel to the Absorbalof ?
@@GordonSucksAtLife I dont think Dr Who does prequels does it? I cant think of any examples unless you count the flashbacks to the doc's former life.
It is a shame that RTD coming back was said so ahead of time, I heard it was due to the papers getting a hand on the RTD news and the BBC wanted to get ahead of that but it’s still a shame that even if I don’t like the Chibs era no one seems that bothered anymore
Remember when George Lucas resurrected Star Wars and gave us The Prequel Trilogy? What about when Spielberg, Lucas, and Ford announced they'd reunite for Indiana Jones 4?
Wasn't it great when Peter Jackson returned to Middle-Eath and made The Hobbit, or how about when Ridley Scott revisited the Alien franchise with Prometheus and Alien: Covenant?
How ecstatic were we when The Wachowski's said they'd be reloading The Matrix and turning it into a trilogy, or when JK Rowling said she would expanding upon the Wizarding World with five Fantastic Beasts movies?
I really hope RTD can make me fall in love with Doctor Who again, but I really think it's important to remember how difficul it is, for even the best creative minds, to capture lightning in a bottle a second time.
My point exactly
Yeah, it needs an infusion of fresh blood, but also a steady hand. Despite Chris' lens and colour palette. It looks really small scale, and shot tightly as if it was done on a far smaller budget. It'd be interesting, if RTD didn't write individual episodes focusing on the arc, and keeping the budget on track. I want new writers, and boundary pushing, not what Chris delivered. The very thing he identified as bringing it so low in the eighties!
Then again, that was kinda my hope that Chris would step back from writing duties and hand that off to someone who could actually write the doctor.
Your concern about the nostalgia is absolutely true. I keep seeing the fandom saying things like "maybe we'll see Jenny again, maybe we will learn about blah blah blah blah blah". They're seeing it as a continuation of season 4 and not as a new doctor who series
I'd have the "what really?" reaction, but only because I was too young to pay attention to the 2008-2009 discourse.
I remember when I was watching the RTD era, the actual RTD-penned episodes were rarely my favourites. There were exceptions of course (Midnight, Utopia, etc). What I am excited about is that I believe RTD is a very good showrunner! I hope he will bring in the writers, directors, musicians, and vision to excite people. I don't want a repeat of his first era stories. I think he's smarter than that.
I always thought that Doctor Who should have a primary and secondary showrunner in order to divide the workload which both Davies and Moffat have stated to be exhausting. For example, I would love for Davies to slowly pass off most of his writing duties to someone else past series 14 so that he could manage the overarching storylines and focus on making executive decisions for the show. He could be sort of Kevin Feige figure that keeps a steady hand on the wheel, whilst the other would have the head writer position but with less work demand than before (similar to the producer+script editor relationship of Classic Who).
@@thegentleartoffisticuffs6983 I agree completely. There's no reason the showrunner has to write most of the stories (or at least a lot of them).
I agree RTD shows a lot more promise when he is the head writer and not a part-time writer unlike Moffat and Chibnall
Currently,
we have a Generation of Shows that literally is only as good
as Fart-Jokes.
HBO's The Prince and other Shows make this painfully clear.
And i mean painfully as in painful and as in the Word Pain.
Santa Inc was also criticized to all h-ck and back, duh.
My biggest concern about RTD returning is that two actors from his era got unmasked as sexual predators and we don't know if he was complicit about it.
true, that is a bit suspicious.
Yeah. That should definitely be your biggest concern as to his ability to run the show.
Who ?
@@darthportus the actors for captain Jack and mickey smith. Real shame as mickey was one of my favourite companions.
@@user-yf4gx9lw6c didn’t something come out about the Adam actor aswell?
As much as I am certain Russel will do something different with the show, I have very complicated feelings on this announcement. People really like to overmythologize Russel's era nowadays, especially on social media and how great he was and even his bad episodes are good actually! No, he also had his Problems, dont we forget that, but more importantly I am incredibly afraid for whatever Person will come After Russel as showrunner. If his second era will be good, his Status as doctor whos saving Grace will only increase and Moffat and Chibnalls era will be looked down upon in comparison. And this mindset of "Doctor who is only good with russel at the helm" starts to Set in and he will have the same Status as a Rod Serling, Gene Roddenberry or George Lucas. These people with visions for their projects and they only function with them at the Helm. Only Doctor Who does not have a Singular creator and that is so great about it. Anyone can step in and do their own thing with it and its this Show that is constantly shedding its skin and can be totally different every few years. But with Russel returning, that makes that part of the Franchise way more complicated going forward and the Show will stagnate because of it. New stuff comes, only in a slightly different package from the same guy you know and love. I am saying this as someone with no nostalgia for Doctor Who whatsoever btw, I started to watch the show 3 years ago and went through the modern series right before the Chibnall Era started and I am currently through Doctors 1-4 in Classic Who and have listened to a shit tone of big finish, especially the 8th Doctor Audios. I am a bit more cheritable towards the current era and I really like the returned focus on historicals and the much more diverse casting and Crew especially for directors and writers, while also being painfully aware of its overall faults. And how S13 looks, it wants to do something different and I am actually excited, but yeah these announcements really take away any Impact S13 could have made on its own, also ontop of the Tropical fuckstorm that is discussing the current era.
I entirely agree with you on the middle finger towards the people working on the 13 series. Pretty awful of them to shoot all of these people down like that
Their own fault for being so incompetent at writing. When you make something so bland and...fine... you can't be mad that nobody cares about it
@@HerohammerStudios Wow dude. For one time, can you think about something other than yourself.
I said this in another comment, but isn't it really assumptive to call the announcement of Russel T. Davies "shooting people down" in S13? (Or all the expletives Stu used?). Why is it such a jerk move to make that announcement? Because Russell T. Davies is generally thought of favorably and Chibnall is generally thought of as a step down from the past two eras? Why is the timing of this such a jerk move, if they knew it was going to happen? People who were going to watch S13, including myself, are going to watch. People who appreciate it are going to continue to appreciate it. I really don't understand the logic here. "The timing of announcing a beloved showrunner vs an unpopular (I'd assume? But I have no factual measure of this) current showrunner right before series 13 is bad because it was right before the series." Maybe that's when they just finalized the deal. Would have it been nicer 6 months ago? Or after Series 13 before the specials? Because the argument is, the timing is a middle finger. I get the sentiment... I really don't understand the reasoning.
They did a job they were contracted to do. Harsh as it is, as long as they were adequately paid the BBC owes them nothing more. Frankly I think it was stupid of them to waste their creative on Chibnall Who.
@@MrPyroCrab Me too. I think the BBC was enamored with Broadchurch and its success and didn't look at Chibnall's track record on Who.
This is about as timely as the series 13 marketing am I right? Ayo!
OG Davies Era - 4 series
Moffat Era - 6 series
Chibnall Era - 3 series
Chibnall Era is the shortest era in NuWho.
OG Davies Era- 2005-2009 (5 Years)
Moffat Era- 2010-2017 (8 Years)
Chibnall Era- 2018-2022 (5 Years)
Only 3 series and yet pretty much the same time as RTD
@@spacepenguins8939
Interesting observation.
Here are individual episodes made under their leadership;
OG Davies Era - 60 eps.
Moffat Era - 109 eps.
Chibnall Era - 28 eps.
Chibnall Era is the shortest era by number of episodes and series but equal to OG Davies Era by the years in the tenure.
By a grand total of 1 because they keep taking years off at a clip.
I will play Devil’s advocate and say that the pandemic probably cut a few things short (I think they probably wanted to start on Series 13 just after 12 finished airing but the pandemic put a stop to that).
They didn't have deal with multi-year gaps and cooties either. It's not as simple as that, unless you're saying Chibnall's bold 5 year plan took- erm, no...
Frankly, I think Russell T. Davies wouldn't have come back if he didn't have a story to tell. I personally saw his era of Doctor Who as part of his earlier works. He was only starting to get good as a writer then, but now, he has come back with so much aclaim through Cucumber, a very english scandal, years and years, and It's a sin. So this is the BBC trying to find someone, anyone to be the showrunner, and them crawling back to Davies. But even then, he wouldn't come back without a plan. I don't think there are as many Davies fanboys as you think. I trully think it is a relief that something interesting will happen with the show again.
There are A LOT of RTD fan boys but the vast majority of them left during season 6. I have loads of friends and family that never missed a Tennant episode but struggled to keep up with the river story line or just plane didn’t like Capaldi and stopped watching the show and don’t want to come back because of the messy context of the Jodie era.
2016: "Hey everyone, Moffat's leaving!"
2021: "Hey everybody, Chibnall's leaving!"
2023: "Hey Everyone, Russells leaving!"
2027: "Hey everyone, Moffat's leaving!"
It's the circle of life...
@@themoxcast "Hooray for maintenance of the status quo!"
@@themoxcast 2028: Oh nO chibnals back
@@Raftors wtf Russell is coming back in 2023 don't make sense
9:38 Well, the Moffat era did show quite a few CRACKS since his first episode...
The thing about your worry that RTD’s return will just become a nostalgia fest is that series 12 was basically already pandering nostalgia to that era anyway, with returning characters, monsters, plot elements & dialogue from that era. And as a fan who grew up watching the 10th Doctor it didn’t work there. Whenever I saw these references I just rolled my eyes. Because the writing wasn’t as good as it was back, then it was making itself look inferior by comparison.
My main reaction when this news was announced was and still is mostly concern that the BBC couldn't or didn't find anyone new for the job - Doctor Who needs fresh blood at this point.
RTD wasn't my style of Doctor Who at that point (I actually stopped watching it in 2008 for a long while because it wasn't what I wanted from the show) but I'm sure he'll do a solid job for the next series.
I just worry that the BBC are just looking to the past to improve the ratings rather than trying out someone who is new and different.
One of Stu's old archenemies is back xd
Tho i wonder how this will affect the rule of "fans hate the current showrunner and love the old ones" now that the current one *is* one of the old ones
The fandom will just turn into Daleks (the ones that already haven't). "What is happening? Explain!"
I'd argue having a theme and ambition is not enough. You also need... a good story. I actually found The Last Jedi... boring to be honest. I am emotionally neutral towards it. Like towards Chibnall Who.
I mean, I like the theme of The Last Jedi. Too bad I didn't like the movie the theme was attached to, or the way it chose to explore that theme.
It's like if Dalek just started with the Doctor trying to shoot Rose and spewing slurs at the Dalek, and didn't explain how we got to the point this character has betrayed everything he stood for.
It wasn’t Luke’s story. And it had been what, twenty, thirty years where Luke lost his nephew to the dark side and saw the Jedi school he’d tried to form go down (literally) in flames.
You wanted, what, a whole movie examining what they pretty clearly indicated had happened? We know the basics of how Luke got the way he was, and it wasn’t even his story they were telling now.
@@odile8701 I don't mind grumpy old Luke, I think that was very justified in the story.
I'm talking about the scene of Luke turning his sword on Ben. That's like the Doctor pointing a gun at Rose, you need to justify such a betrayal of character's core values to the audience.
@@odile8701 I'll respond to you (not to pile on) the way I have been to TLJ for years: it's not the ideas, it's their execution. Luke Skywalker, nerdy optimist of all optimists, who believed he would redeem his father no matter what, turned on his lightsaber on his sleeping nephew because he had visions? It's a tough sell, more in the context of the OT than it is the movie itself. Yes, Luke may have seen something horrible, Kylo Ren murdering innocents, etc. TLJ just didn't convince me this is what the Luke I knew would do. Maybe if the movie showed the visions it'd "sell" the notion better, but it's kind of like a better executed version of Dany's heel turn in Game of Thrones. Some people bought what they were selling, some people really didn't.
The A plot in TLJ was....OK. What really brought the movie down was Finn, the other main character in the first movie, being an afterthought sent on a dumb fetch quest at the Gold Saucer, while his arc from TFA was recycled whilst a supporting character keeps telling him, the child soldier, that war is bad.
That and the Holdo vs Poe stuff were excruciatingly bad.
@@fabesey2016 Whole-heartedly agreed. They needed to integrate Poe and Finn in way that was critical to the plot and they were sidequested.
I knew there was a reason these announcements weren’t sitting right with me and I think you’ve sounded it out flawlessly!
They made the announcement now to appease merchandizers. No one is going to make and sell merchandise of the show if they think it's dying. The BBC is trying to reassure them with the news of Davies' return so that they don't jump ship.
Honestly If we took Russel from ten years ago and just kept him as Dr who showrunner I don't think that would have been a good thing. But he's had a decade of doing other things some of which I've found to be rather good, I can allow myself to be a bit more hopeful about this
All I want RTD to do in his second run is to not focus on companions returning home. People returning home from a life changing adventure isn't affective if it keeps happening every 2 fucking trips or the entire season barley leaves London, Cardiff, or Earth’s Orbit. The Hobbits in Return of King returning home is affective because it's subtle, we saw most of their life changing adventure, and they didn't go back to The Shire every 2 days.
Getting a Big Finish monster in there is actually a brilliant idea
Imagine something like Spare Parts or another story being adapted for the screen
@@crimsondynamo615 I mean that's basically World Enough and Time🙃
I hate that you're absolutely right, Stu.
It sucks but I think the single most poisonous thing about Doctor Who right now is a mixture of it's own fandom, due to the shifting tides of Internet culture and the rise of hate groups who are just there to despise anything that's different. The other thing to blame is the inner workings of the BBC itself. Not saying that this is NEW (Look up videos of JNT dealing with the Dr Who Liverpool society alongside good old Michael "Michael Grade is a C-nt" Grade) But holy christ, the amount of genuine vitriol from people (a lot of whom started with Star Wars hate, then moved over to Star Trek with Discovery and now to Doctor Who to complain that a "BLOODY WOMANS IN") Is vaguely sickening and infuriating in itself and the cynicism of it is "They get paid to be awful". So hate is profitable. Especially hating women like you're a 7 year old boy who thinks girls are icky. Grand.
And to see the BBC have done this to their own staff is horrifying.... But unfortunately not surprising. Alexei Sayle mentioned this recently on his Podcast that the BBC isn't so much of a single entity but a sort of continent with individual countries and departments that all have different agendas (like Drama, comedy, News etc). BBC News are ultimately looking for clicks and notice, trying to maintain domimance in the field and what better way than to fuck over their own co workers and go "HEY DOCTOR WHO FANS? GUESS WHAT?" because they know the amount of people who grew up with RTD and still love his current dramas like Cucumber and It's A Sin.... So that'll get the BBC brownie points from a bunch of fans who are nostalgic for it, and get more clicks. At the detriment of the leaving team.... Because I'm sure that Chibnall has had to deal with the vitriol of "fans", possibly near constant hate mail and complaints, having to go onto the Internet and see yourself as "The man who ruined Doctor Who" from a lot of people. I can't imagine how utterly crap Chibnall might be feeling and how the entire experience has probably dissolved any love he's had for the show. Seems to be the way with Showrunners. Not a job I'd EVER want to have because I'd never want the world hating me for not delivering and then those said fans making up horse shit behind the scenes saying "I'm due to be fired. Just like Kathleen kennedy and Alex Kurtzman. AHA! SEE! HE'S "LEAVING"! The reality is he was FIRED for being terrible!". Because JESUS christ, I remember people saying all kinds of shit about RTD, I remember people saying that Moffat was a SEX offender as his mother lay dying in hospital as he's trying to get Dotor Who finished in time (He wrote the 2nd episode of the 12th DoctorsPyramid trilogy at her death bed) and then people despising Chibnall as being the one who ruined it all.
And at the end of it all... I have to wonder how much they're giving to RTD. Because I read his book on making Doctor Who. The entire experience was utterly miserable for the man and he's going to be shoving his head back into the blender. This is just a shit show from any way you look at it.
My ultimate question is.... How many minutes do I have left after writing that bile OH GOD NO ZHJFKSKAnnmm
Yeah I hate that I'm right too. Critical discussion is important, something I've always tried to encourage, and I've tried to emphasize that I have nothing personal against anyone who works on the show, Chibnall and all, but so many fans struggle with removing the personal thinking about the show on a level of it, y'know, being a television show and the practicality behind making it.
Its gotten to a point where they just see two names: the showrunner and the actor playing the doctor, and if they don't like what they see: let it all burn. I'm just sick of the fandom's inability to look past the surface details of what's onscreen.
We get the show we deserve at this stage
10:30 Wow, you are quite the prophet!
If you think that's him being a prophet, check out the 'Jay and Stu Talk Doctor Who' stream for the Nikola Tesla episode back in 2020, around 6 minutes in he mentions about deliberately getting Doctor Who facts wrong and sarcastically says "David Tennant was the 14th Doctor..." and he and Jay both chuckle at a chat message saying "David Tennant again" when trying to think of who could play their version of the Doctor in the first writing stream they did during Lockdown.
Honeslty, I just accepted a long time ago that I will never enjoy doctor who as much as I did when I was 12. It is the only property that I am truly nostalgic about and I will never be able to judge it with any objectivity
Seeing Stu express anger is so bizarre. I feel like his channel is 85% witty apathy and 15% fanboying over Neil Gaiman and Chris Morris.
I feel the excitement is that we’ve never had an old voice return like this, and it’ll be interested just to see what he does. Of course it won’t be the same.
What everyone seems to be forgetting is that Chibs is already doing member berries for the RTD era in his own era. Series 12 was just a bunch of callbacks within bland, pointlessly canon altering stories.
I hate to be that guy but I called it to my friends that I RTD would come back as showrunner and mentioned these reasons. I also saw that RTD liked the post on Instagram of Chibs leaving and thought maybe you're his replacement.
I'm hoping both series 13 and the second Russell tenure will be good. Even though I'm not a fan of Chibnalls Who, I'm hoping that Chibnall will be able to stick the landing with his run in Series 13 and the 2022 specials. Plus Jodie Whittaker is a pretty good doctor, just needs some great writing to properly back her Doctor up, like if she decides sometime in the future to do some Big Finish stories, she could get the sixth doctor treatment where she could become a really great doctor with some great audio stories.
Also a random question. Will you one day possibly review more 8th Doctor Big Finish stories like the remainder of the Eighth Doctor Time War, Ravenous and Stranded, I'm curious as to what you think of them, especially Stranded
Couldn't it also be said that announcing RTD return so as to getting up the buzz of doctor who in general public again may attract more to actually watch series 13, to see what would lead up to the 60s, for those who had long given up?
Also the only real factor on rating and popularity of a series is....its quality.
10:30 talk about foreshadowing!
OH NO THE MASTER TIED MY SHOELACES TOGETHER OUCH
I remember the days when classic who fans shat on the Russell era, I've seen the old He Who Moans episodes XD
i'm surprised the rtd hate has been forgotten so fast, since i remember that era was divisive even with the younger doctor who fans in my life, who all started watching the show during moffat's run. with them, they liked that era's moody melodrama, but i fell in love with the show with rtd's era because its over the top campiness was funny to me, so i always felt like moffat era eps came off too self-serious.
i'd have liked it better if they just got a new showrunner, but either way, my hope for a new showrunner was to see the show go back to that more fun and wacky vibe, and rtd was the one who started it originally anyway so... but if everything from chibnall era gets vaguely retconned, i suppose i'll have to give up on my pipe dream of jo martin's doctor becoming the main doctor. i'm so upset that arc didn't go anywhere yet cause she felt more like the doctor in a single episode than whittaker has felt in her entire run.
Never really thought Russell T. Davies would come back. I loved Russell's era but bringing him back seems very desperate.
Given the fan reaction to Tennant coming back, the fandom is wanting this for the wrong reasons (nostalgia)
Oh no! The fandom gets what they want and the show’s popularity gets massively revitalized! The horror!
I agree with what your saying Stuart. While I’m excited that Russell is coming back.
There is one part that I’m not so comfortable with and it’s with Russell saying something on the lines of Doctor Who having spin offs similar to that of the MCU. Personally I don’t want this. 3-4 spin offs are fine but not something like what Marvel is doing, because if we start having Spin offs about the one bit of Floor from TimeLash or anything obscure, it’ll distract us from the main show and start digging this rabbit hole of spin offs no one asked for.
Also Stu please review More Doctor Who Big Finish audios. I miss those a lot!
Russell said he was done with the show too. We honestly don't know what he's going to do, or how it will be received. More of "the same" won't necessarily work, as how often Tennant's incarnation and production style was used as inspiration and a lot of people became numb to it. And yet there's a mixture of personality and story, which also matters. Capaldi wasn't liked by some because "he's grumpy" or worse, like "he's old" (wow), but if the story is rubbish then it's a lot harder sell and the actor wrongly gets the brunt. Classic Who wasn't any different.
I'm definitely looking at series 13 in a different way now. I have not heard you that angry before, but the reason is incredibly valid. This point was in the very back of my mind but I never thought too much about it until you said it out loud
All I can say is that as someone who has utterly despited the Chibnall era (and I’ve not watched after Timeless Children and won’t until he leaves), the news of RTD returning has given me hope in the future of the show - something that pretty much no other name would have given me.
I trust Russel to be smart enough not to simply retred the past and to try something new but with the spirit of the show. I’m not expecting miracles but as someone who sees the Chibnall era as a nadir, to have some competent come back is delightful.
I’m so, so happy someone else has voiced my fears before I get up the nerve to vocalize this on Reddit lol.
I remember when Love and Monsters came out and I thought it was the worst thing ever, but it is very rewatchable and I now appreciate it. I look forward to the day where I appreciate the Chibnall era in retrospect.
I loved L&M because just the week before, I was starting to worry if NuWho was going to be too formulaic and risk-averse. It has a few issues, but I loved that it used the vast Who universe to tell a different kind of story, and usually find the smaller stakes more interesting and engaging than farcical "destroy all planets/life/history/etc". Same with Torchwood's _Random Shoes._ People want new, but with a safety net where experiments somehow don't risk failure.
I was one of the few people who liked Love and Monsters back then, while acknowledging its flaws. Nice to know it's more appreciated now. Though, I'd say L&M is very different from most of Chibnall's era.
@@eirei0789 if it wasn’t for the last 10 minutes Love and monsters would be a real highlight. I feel having Peter Kay actually turn out to be a slatheen instead of the thong monster would have gone a long way. Also don’t make so that etlton potentially fucks a floor tile.
Love how the tenant coming back comments aged so well, its currently 8 hours before the 60th drops
Who under RTD has its flaws, and it also had certain characteristics that people just won't like (such as yourself). In all honesty it was as inconsistently good as any other era. But without a COHERENT season arc, all the inconsistent quality just looks like a shambolic mess, which is what happened roughly from Series 6-9.
Sure RTD series weren't the best, but they had a defined story arc and a satisfying resolution. That's the key. The resolution of series 5 just barely ticked the necessary boxes, and 6-9 definitely didn't.
I honestly think this is why people look so negatively on the Specials series: the resolution is just such crap.
So I think it's a bit cynical to say "nostalgia" or "rose-colored glasses" because it's not. RTD's version of the show wasn't better quality than Moffatt, but it was better at creating MEMORIES by sticking the landing on finales (except End of TIme)
When RTD started the reboot, he pulled writing talent from ALL ancillary media (BBV, Curse of Fatal Death, the New Adventures, the audio dramas), basically people who had experience and passion for Who. Not just other famous TV writers, which is what Moffatt did, but WHO writers.
If RTD is smart, he will be able to see his own shortcomings, and poach some Big Finish writers!!
i disagree.
THIS comment. Absolutely spot on.
"You could not live with your own failure. And where did that bring you? Back to me."
"Nostalgia is like stuffing your checks with cocaine infused marbles in that it makes you say stupid things" Ben Yahtzee Croshaw
Not gonna lie, i was expecting this video more than the bloody trailer :p
In any case is a bad testament on both the current era and the future RTD succesor cause theyre gonna automatically gonna compare it to the guy who brought back the show who everyone will automatically think positive about
A fried chicken sandwich ad played before the video started and now I want a chicken sandwich
I just want Doctor who to be good again.
Lately I just stopped caring about the series.
For a second i thought I was going to successfully escape doctor who, then this news drops
This is probably the only time I'm exited for a regeneration
I think Stu just needs a hug
I think the biggest bug bear with Russell's return is less to do with people's nostalgia for Series 1 to 4 but more so the fact that people are pinning their hopes and dreams on assuming Russell can course correct by basically copying the popular trends in franchises and films in tandem with pasting them on Doctor Who.
Not the first time he did it obviously given the Buffy influence in his early nu who work, but the idea of a more EPIC CINEMATIC UNIVERSE!!! idea just feels played out and kinda redundant given the existence of Big Finish Audios, Novels, Comic books, etc...
I worry that the extent of his ideas may end up feeling very convoluted in less of a fan wanky continuity kinda way but more so in dividing his efforts into several different projects that EVERYONE will have to see in order to build up some grand story arc if his MCU Avengers remarks are anything to go by.
The extent of his influence however is something I'm interested to hear about, is he in more of a Producer role this time around? Is he writing the scripts? Or is he in a Barry Letts/John Nathan Turner position where he's just here until the next series and the 60th Anniversary before parting ways and letting some new blood take his place.
Russell's era definitely has its appeal and without a doubt he'd definitely be allowed to flex his dramatic writing muscles in a way that he couldn't when he was less experienced, but I don't think Years and Years and Its a Sin really translate into "Ah well ya know he's done Doctor Who before and he makes good drama now, so fuck it"
The salient point being that while he might get a few more of the casual viewers onboard through his reputation in dramatic television and fans wistful for the days of his era, it still doesn't fix the problem of where the show should go next when he inevitably leaves again.
On top of that for Russell's own sake I do worry it may come with the caveat of yet another inevitable cycle of videos ranting and raving about how Russell has lost the plot as the Chibnall Era fades from memory and we see the resurface of "RTD's sappy drama = bad#THEGAYAGENDA like we're all living through a chronic hysteresis-
*ZZZZttt* "Oh blast! Here we go again, his probe circuits jammed...
That's easy just waggle his tail
Alright we've tried everything else
Thank you Mistress, repairs complete.
Im both excited for series 13 and Davies, and I'm excited for davies not because I want it to be 2008 again, but because after watching Davies's other shows after doctor who, he's changed somewhat and I'm excited for his new approach to doctor who
10:30 -- well now...
I prefer moffat but we needed rtd to unify us.
The show needs someone new to do that. Bringing back former producers leads to expectations that will likely be led to disappointment by many former fans, and if detractors back then enjoy his "RTD2" era, which is possible, how will the RTD1 faction respond? Get some popcorn as that might become more entertaining than the show itself.
This decision to bring back the Prodigal Welsh comes with a serving suggestion of "Memberberries"...
Stuart, you’re not alone. The world has slowly crushed my spirit into little bits in the last 5 years, certainly. 😢
6:52 And that's pretty much the only marketing Series 13 has had so far (at least recently).
It was probably announced to try to save the brand tbh. Chibnall have more or less killed any positive energy the show ever had and they try to keep people interested by promising that things might be better soon.
So I guess Chibnalls incompetence is to be blamed for this early announcement too.
You know what I'd like to see Chris Chibnall do? Do the Fifth to Sixth Doctor transition, but properly. Jodie regenerates in the second-to-last special into Russell's chosen Doctor, that isn't in any way announced as an event beforehand, and comes as a low-key surprise in a suitably doom-laden episode. The Doctor's regeneration should earn its mark again for how they are prepared to selflessly prove their heroism on a smaller scale rather than grand fan-indulgance being sold to us - just as a change, you know. It worked for Utopia, and if any modern showrunner were to attempt to play it completely straight, I reckon it would be Chibnall. It would also be the perfect 'gotcha' to the fans who have been snubbing his era and his team just because it's him - they'll HAVE to watch his final episode with the new Doctor, whatever happens.
Alternatively (a modified idea from a video I've watched, I think by Davis) would be to have the final special midway through the regeneration, do no casting announcements and have two people calling themselves 'The Doctor' that each have half a series worth of focus before meeting in the finale where it's revealed that one is actually The Doctor and the other is a returning Time Lord, likely a villain (I would say The Master if it weren't for how often they've returned, as it stands maybe The Rani because "Everyone is The Rani until proven otherwise").
Basically, the thesis I got from this video is:
Rtd's return may be the prequels.
Would be pretty hilarious if he pulled a George Lucas on us,. I'm not one to do "I told you so"s but I'd get a laugh seeing the backlash from Tennant loyalists.
That’s what has me watching with held breath. Lucas had no restraints when making prequels and we all know how that turned out. People held him down and control during the original trilogy to make it focused.
@@crimsondynamo615 It's not only that, people forgot that the first three weren't just George's films - he was one person from an entire team that made the original trilogy - those films would not exist if he didn't have the help he got with writing, directing and special effects.
@@crimsondynamo615 But then what restraints did Rtd have during his era? I feel like we already got his version of the prequels with Last of the Timelords (both of which I like in spite of their flaws).
Well I do like revenge of the sith so won’t really change much for me
Joke's on you Stuart, I've been in agonizing pain my whole life
I really want some weird, conceptual shit from Russel. He's got to play with Doctor Who and now he's got all the bombastic stuff out of his system, I hope the new stuff is just like a talking suicidal chair who hates being sat on but he can't ever die because he's a time lord... time chair?
Brilliant!
That's the kind of shot in the arm this show needs
Please novelize this concept immediately
Doctor Who and the Talking Suicide Chair of Death.
My prediction is that the same people who responded to Chibnall era with nothing but vitriol will be shocked to find that the writer of Turn Left might not be as apolitical as they remember.
I'm happy he's back. Sure it's an indicator of the BBC officially giving up but fuck it. Hopefully we'll get some consistently good stories again.
I personally don’t want the show to stagnate and repeat the previous RTD era, but I take Davies’ return simply as a returning showrunner who is experienced in making radical changes to the show while maintaining the central core identity of it.
Also this is really good because 60th anniversary.
That's exactly my view of the Chibnall era, it was boring and not engaging. I personally believe it is because the writers/producers put its message/ideology/agenda (whatever you want to call it) before having a good story or good characters. I can enjoy a story that I don't personally agree with as long as it has those elements, which unfortunately the Chibnall era does not have. There are seeds of good ideas. I did like the idea of Graham as a companion, a middle aged man who is dealing with the loss of his wife. I am a sucker for male companions especially since 3rd Doctor the rate of female companions increased exponentially, outnumbering male companions 10 to 1. But unfortunately from what I understand Graham was not fully utilized as he could have been which is a shame and it makes me wonder if under different circumstances he could have been a great companion.
RTD coming back is not necessarily making me leap for joy either. Don't get me wrong he had good episodes with the 9th Doctor and 10th Doctor but he also unfortunately was the one who started the trend of making the female companions important to the structure of the universe or the survival the Doctor's timeline which by this point has been done to death. I am hoping we just have an average companion like the ones in the classic era who then come to do great things because they travel with the Doctor with no other universal defying explanation. No more Bad Wolf like with Rose.
We move only in circles.
Do more Big finish videos! I like watching your videos on a range before deciding to buy it
they decided to release the release date and title less than an hour after this video just to piss off stu confirmed
Since your mabey moving away from doctor I have a comfortable, non-heated review idea for you, the 1981 classic mini-series The day of the Triffids
Gosh, I’ve always loved your videos, bu this noble anger you feel for the situation is another level of sweet.
If RTD (or Chinballs for that matter) can make Dr Who that isn't a fucking chore to watch - job done. I'm not holding my breath...
well the new promotional material dropped. It seems that they're really banking on returning villains as a marketing strategy
Chibnall fired... RTD begged by BBC to come back and save the show. Shittaker fired too for being shite.
Good point about series 13. I'll watch with an open mind, as far as I am able. It should be remembered, however, that the BBC makes a shed load of money from the franchise, via direct sales, reruns on UKTV and Britbox, BBC America, Big Finish and merchandising.
The franchise is almost literally too big to fail. Perhaps this was in the minds of BBC execs when they finally secured RTD's services, to keep people invested in DW, and give them something to look forward to.
There used to be a political slogan "bread today, jam tomorrow", to placate the public during times of austerity and high taxes. This is the Who equivalent
For me the news that Chibnall was leaving actually made me willing to try to watch Series 13 unlike Series 12 which I wasn't even able to bring myself to watch when it was airing as I want to now see what Chibnall's era is like at the end in comparison to the beginning and now that Russell's back I feel far more comfortable watching Chris and Jodie's final nine episodes even if I don't like the episodes.
10:29 aged like a fine wine
As a fresh Who fan who watched 9-11s runs without much exposure to the fanbase... RTD is definitely good, and Moffat is exhausting.
I think you were able to articulate my feelings much better than I ever could. Agree 100% with your thoughts.
This - I kept trying and trying and trying… at the end of the insanity of the timeless children I stopped watching visual media all together & having finished all of Big Finish’s Doctor Who Output including spin-off media - I went into BFA’s serials SURVIVORS & The Omega Factor.
Though I do still have my foot in the DW world as I’m spending my spare time reading the entirety of the EDA novels (& am just finishing INTERFERENCE BOOK TWO 😂)
I actually liked The Mutants by Pertwee, and loved Timelash. *shrugs*
I do very much agree with what you said about it being cruel of the BBC to announce what they did when they did, it isn’t okay and should be called out absolutey.
However I’m really happy and excited RTD is returning as show runner, I loved his last era and his Torchwood seasons. The involvement of bad wolf studios is also very reassuring for me. I have faith in the guy and he simply wouldn’t have accepted the job without ideas and proper vitally creative control
The initial discussion where the timing is being criticized. We need to remember studios sometimes have to release such information before a news outlet gets it out. RTD returning was not going to stay hidden for very long. No outlet was going wait for Series 13 to finish. So studios can't do much about timing in such cases.
Wow, I never even thought about how the news swept the current team under the bus. That is really bad. I was gonna watch the season anyway but I still feel bad for them. I can see why you got so angry
Personally, I'm excited for the return of RTD for a couple reasons. Part of it is I really did like his era, but mostly I'm excited to see what new material he has in store after over a decade away from the show. I'm excited to see new ideas and see how different his new ideas for the show will be. Although I love the old RTD stuff, I'm really hoping he won't copy it in his new era. Like I'm excited to see some Ood and maybe a couple tiny nods to the old, but I'm crossing my fingers for fresh interesting ideas now that he's been away from the show for so long, gotten even better at his craft, and hopefully having had ideas swirling around for a while. I'm optimistic about it. A bit cautiously optimistic, but still optimistic.
I feel like my entire Doctor Who experience has just been drama. I binged the entire RTD era back when it was on Netflix. I dove deep into the fandom right around Smith’s last season and anytime I would bring it up to my friend group in college all they did was bash Moffat and praise RTD. They HATED Moffat’s writing and leveled all of these accusations at him, calling him sexist, etc. I was just enjoying the show and having a good time even during Moffat’s wackiest stuff like series 6. I maintain that series 5 is still one of one of my favorites int he show. I started getting into the classic series, Big Finish, etc. I purchased books, toys, posters, etc. I don’t think I have developed the same kind of passion for any other franchise. I even contemplated writing my graduate thesis on the show. I attended the 50th anniversary in theaters and then after that it just seemed like people stopped caring. I watched Capaldi’s run as it was happening and there was still nothing but complaints from the people around me who claimed to be fans of the show. I was really excited for Jodie’s announcement and found very little issues with series 11 outside of like two episodes I didn’t like and an underwhelming finale. It felt like as soon as she and Chibnall were announced the negativity online grew to staggering levels, even beyond what I had encountered with Moffat hate. I grew so defensive of the show during Moffat’s AND Chibnall’s run… I just grew tired. I haven’t even finished series 12 because my enthusiasm for the show has just dipped… and it’s not really even Chibnall’s fault. I’ve just avoided the show and all discourse around it until the recent news of RTD returning. Essentially, my thoughts mirror yours, which includes the Star Wars parallel. The Last Jedi fighting and the awfulness of Rise of Skywalker just killed my interest in that franchise too. I trust RTD to run the show but have some reservations. I don’t think he will just nostalgia bait but I am afraid that’s what good chunks of the fandom want and will tear it apart if that happens. It feels a bit regressive since Doctor Who is a show that has always marched forward for better or worse. I think he will have a forward vision for the show… at least I hope.
Think they’re trying to draw people back in before the new series by announcing Russell will be back