Great video showing the faults that we have been taught from years ago. Drift gives the speed required to induce better the take. Very informative will put it to the test this season !!
Yes, here in America we call that "broadside". The first way you demonstrated, we call that "slow fly" because like you mentioned, it slows down the presentation! Great video!
I have to say this makes total sense. You can see the difference based on when the rod/line/fly is fishing. I often find after I cast when I mend I am either creating slack (no control on the drift or fly) or pulling my fly out of the lane same result. Either way my swing takes at least 40% to start truly fishing. I think the old books and anglers were dealing with much longer lines so mending was essential to set your swing up. Now with shorter lines it has to be approached differently due to the fact the physics have changed. Thank you for this insightful video.
Using the rod to generate drift and speed is unusual. This year on the Scottish Dee I choose to use a 15` over a shorter rod in order to maximise this technique. 4 fish to the `big` rod while (sadly) others on the beat failed to catch, does not necessarily prove its better, but its certainly boosted my confidence and will be my priority approach next year.
Amen brother, same in the surf, fly control is so much important in the very first moments of a drift as well as in the last part of the dangle. Outstanding piece of work. Thank you 👌👌👌
Beautiful cast mate! I was shown this vid from one of my subscribers as a learning tip for my own practice. I was one of those fellas taught the upstream mend... every cast! 😆 I'm going to remember this lesson and try for this season. Cheers mate and tight lines 👌
YOU & I ARE IN COMPLETE AGREEEMENT about the effectiveness of "CROSS-CURRENT DRIFT" - and I'M fishing for RIVER SMALLMOUTH :-O ... I live in the Midwest USA - plenty of knee/hip-deep rivers too warm for native trout, but TEAMING with RIVER SMALLMOUTH, and I use an 10 ft 5-6 wt switch rod, but with a 550gr skagit line on it to catch River Smallmouth all-day-every-day: - a 2-handed rod spey/skagit casting from mid-river to each of the banks of the Fox River (50mi west of Chicagland, running north-to-south) is HEAVEN for fly fishing; - a LIGHT weight rod because in the end River Smallmouth are only 12-20 inches (1-3 pounds) at most, so you NEED to "feel" them; - a decidedly SHORT rod for 2-handed casts, but they you get genuine ONE-HANDED casts as well; - a heavy (for the length, weight of the rod), because bass DON'T eat BUGS; they eat FISH (and crayfish) 1/3 the size of their own bodies, so you need MASS to cast that; - Bass AREN'T Trout; they HATE "dead" things floating downstream; instead they actively search for LIVING organisms... SO... - IF you do a "pull" - what YOU seem to refer to as a "cross-stream DRIFT" - then just as you describe, the lures are "presenting" SIDEWAYS to the bass who are facing upstream, and your lure looks like it's "swimming across the stream, along the bottom" - PERFECT stimulus for the bass to ATTACK ! I can't say I have the same luck with the STEELHEAD 50 miles north of me in the small rivers running into Lake Michigan, but then NO ONE has a great batting average with spawning steelhead, so I don't feel bad ;-) I DO have the SAME good luck catching NATIVE BROWN TROUT in those same rivers, "pulling" small brass-headed pheasant-winged prince nymphs sideways across the stream; I don't know if seeing something as small as a nymph "sideways" triggers them, or if it's simply the movement of the shiny brass head CATCHES their eye, but they DO BITE :-) . GREAT VIDEO - I subscribed, because you EARNED it. You CHALLENGE CONVENTION, and I'm ALL FOR IT ! - Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
Totally agree Mikael . The thinking angler will always catch more fish if there willing to experiment. I believe we're always learning something at the River. Keep the tips coming wee can never be too good. 😉
That's how I fish for winter steelhead in Oregon. Broadside and sometimes fast. I pick up fish behind guys that fished the butt to the face slow. Grabs are much better on a faster fly, too.
Recently been trying this on my local river with a hitch tube and watching how it moves. With varying currents it becomes more difficult. The fly swings too quickly in the initial stages, where I am trying to target an outside stream. Perhaps a combination of both techniques in a single drift would be better?
I never do a mind only when I want to move the fly after the drift when I start to skate it. I did not know people did this did a mind after the cast. But I fish by myself all the time, I also was self-taught for fly fishing before the internet.
Just fish a weighted fly/ sinking tip or Sinking line. Just go heavier sink/heavier weighted fly if it doesn't get down. The fly+tip will still have some slight time to sink when it hits the water. The tension isn't instant. Changing your angle by casting straight across instead down and across will also help give more time before its swept up... Note if your fishing for steelhead or another species it changes things. many are fine with slower flies and the rivers are different. a big pull back mend + a step down+ straight across is common in the winter for steelhead in pnw among top guides
The fresher the fish, the more I agree. Cover as many potential fish, instead of trying to go for an agression take. I too have wasted unlimited hours mending upstream, when I only had read books, and never met a fly fisher, where I started.
I call that drag not drift the line is dragging the fly around with the pull of the water. Drifting is when your fly is freely drifting around the cast. Think off a dry fly floating and drifting on the surface you would not drag it around to the side. Unless you wanted to create a wake as in hitching. When hitching you drag to create surface movement IMHO. Of course knowing line control is most important for different situations in presenting a fly to the fish.
Hi Lawrence - this is a disscusion i had with many. Some say like you do..some think a drift can also be effected with the line... Thanks for your thoughts! /M
@@frodinflies thank you for replying. I think both ways are effective and often dictated by the situation. I choose to fish mainly the other way and have had many fish. I also fish your way in certain conditions and have had fish that way too. There is no absolute correct way we fish what works for us. Tight lines M 🎣
Great video in a stunning location,but don't fully come on board with all that's said.I must say I have caught many,many salmon on the upstream mend but I immediately take up the excess slack with the slowest retrieve which has my fly fishing fairly quickly even at distance,don't get me wrong I've had plenty doing what you are showing in the video but mainly in early spring with perhaps a F/H/I and biggish fly
Variety optimises the chances for the thinking angler. Now salmon are more `thin on the ground`, down and across really does limit the chances of encouraging salmon to take.
You don't lose drift mending you lose swing. Mending makes it drift perfectly. Not mending makes it swing more. I have caught steelhead drifting as well as swinging.
Yeah english isn't frodin's first language, but its pretty clear what he's talking about visually. Keep in mind He's not fishing for Steelhead. He's fishing for atlantic salmon. They like much faster flies, they often hold in much fast shoulder water. The rivers they live in are often very different due the euro vs pacific north west landscape,the run sizes are different.(which can lead to far more dry fly +riffle hitch+sun ray results). All of this leads to often different styles inside of the spey+fly tying templates. A atlantic will eat on a drift too but they prefer a moving fly more( that's the suggestion you''l see all way back to the original grease line fishing for salmon book by jock scott first published in early 1900 on the river spey). the oncorhynchus mykiss and salmo salar are both salmonids but of separate genus millions of years apart. They separated before the pliocene.
I don thave this problem, my problem is always how to make the fly go SLOW enough so i dont see the problem tbh but obv this is a problem for many and i am pretty sure it comes down to using too big flies. It is always big flies more speed, small flies less speed and people use too big flies when summer fishing so they dont catch anything. downsize and you catch more fish and by that i mean down to hook 14-16 etc during summer when the water is slow and current is obv slow and the water is warm- Small hooks u say, big fish will destroy them you say? when water is warm and low the fish is lazy and wont fight like when in preferable conditions so not a problem. Am i a totoal moron? maybe. But you can also try my way and then think about it again. just remember there are more than one way to catch salmon under bad conditions.
Great video showing the faults that we have been taught from years ago. Drift gives the speed required to induce better the take. Very informative will put it to the test this season !!
Pure class, pure genius. Thank you!!
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Brilliant idea! Creat more drifting time is a much important for catching more fish! that is way to go.
Wow! Excellent and beautiful
Nicely presented , thank you.
Going to have to try this on the river this weekend, wonderful!
Fantastic advice. It definitely works 👍🏻
Yes, here in America we call that "broadside". The first way you demonstrated, we call that "slow fly" because like you mentioned, it slows down the presentation! Great video!
Works the same way here in Montana on the Missouri both two handed and single handed . Great advice
I have to say this makes total sense. You can see the difference based on when the rod/line/fly is fishing. I often find after I cast when I mend I am either creating slack (no control on the drift or fly) or pulling my fly out of the lane same result. Either way my swing takes at least 40% to start truly fishing. I think the old books and anglers were dealing with much longer lines so mending was essential to set your swing up. Now with shorter lines it has to be approached differently due to the fact the physics have changed. Thank you for this insightful video.
Using the rod to generate drift and speed is unusual. This year on the Scottish Dee I choose to use a 15` over a shorter rod in order to maximise this technique. 4 fish to the `big` rod while (sadly) others on the beat failed to catch, does not necessarily prove its better, but its certainly boosted my confidence and will be my priority approach next year.
Amen brother, same in the surf, fly control is so much important in the very first moments of a drift as well as in the last part of the dangle.
Outstanding piece of work.
Thank you 👌👌👌
I watch a lot of these videos, your great love it , thanks for sharing your experience strength and hope 👍
Beautiful cast mate! I was shown this vid from one of my subscribers as a learning tip for my own practice. I was one of those fellas taught the upstream mend... every cast! 😆
I'm going to remember this lesson and try for this season. Cheers mate and tight lines 👌
YOU & I ARE IN COMPLETE AGREEEMENT about the effectiveness of "CROSS-CURRENT DRIFT" - and I'M fishing for RIVER SMALLMOUTH :-O ...
I live in the Midwest USA - plenty of knee/hip-deep rivers too warm for native trout, but TEAMING with RIVER SMALLMOUTH, and I use an 10 ft 5-6 wt switch rod, but with a 550gr skagit line on it to catch River Smallmouth all-day-every-day:
- a 2-handed rod spey/skagit casting from mid-river to each of the banks of the Fox River (50mi west of Chicagland, running north-to-south) is HEAVEN for fly fishing;
- a LIGHT weight rod because in the end River Smallmouth are only 12-20 inches (1-3 pounds) at most, so you NEED to "feel" them;
- a decidedly SHORT rod for 2-handed casts, but they you get genuine ONE-HANDED casts as well;
- a heavy (for the length, weight of the rod), because bass DON'T eat BUGS; they eat FISH (and crayfish) 1/3 the size of their own bodies, so you need MASS to cast that;
- Bass AREN'T Trout; they HATE "dead" things floating downstream; instead they actively search for LIVING organisms...
SO...
- IF you do a "pull" - what YOU seem to refer to as a "cross-stream DRIFT" - then just as you describe, the lures are "presenting" SIDEWAYS to the bass who are facing upstream, and your lure looks like it's "swimming across the stream, along the bottom" - PERFECT stimulus for the bass to ATTACK !
I can't say I have the same luck with the STEELHEAD 50 miles north of me in the small rivers running into Lake Michigan, but then NO ONE has a great batting average with spawning steelhead, so I don't feel bad ;-)
I DO have the SAME good luck catching NATIVE BROWN TROUT in those same rivers, "pulling" small brass-headed pheasant-winged prince nymphs sideways across the stream; I don't know if seeing something as small as a nymph "sideways" triggers them, or if it's simply the movement of the shiny brass head CATCHES their eye, but they DO BITE :-) .
GREAT VIDEO - I subscribed, because you EARNED it.
You CHALLENGE CONVENTION, and I'm ALL FOR IT !
- Mark Vogt | VOGTLAND OUTDOORS
Guess you arr blessed Mikael fishing These beautiful Riwers😄👍
More of this and fly tying! Brilliant :)
very nice..lovely stuff..👍👍
Totally agree Mikael . The thinking angler will always catch more fish if there willing to experiment.
I believe we're always learning something at the River.
Keep the tips coming wee can never be too good. 😉
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Very nice indeed, thanks!
Amazing
Good!👍👍
Very helpful. Makes a lot of sense
Ey man.. sorry i forget to tell you that I have tried your method and guess what, it works!! Thanks so much for sharing!!👍🎣🎣
Great video!☺
Great video pal!
Excellent presentation! What will be the effect on speed of a downstream mend?Thanks
I need to try that next year Thanks for sharing
Lovely stuff.
Seems right to me, ill give it a try here on the Limay superior, Argentina!!
That's how I fish for winter steelhead in Oregon. Broadside and sometimes fast. I pick up fish behind guys that fished the butt to the face slow. Grabs are much better on a faster fly, too.
Wonderful .i like
Recently been trying this on my local river with a hitch tube and watching how it moves.
With varying currents it becomes more difficult. The fly swings too quickly in the initial stages, where I am trying to target an outside stream.
Perhaps a combination of both techniques in a single drift would be better?
Brian Morris, who taught me to Spey-cast, taught me to do this in summer low flows on the river Wye in the 1980's, it works!
Mikael, would you do this with riffle hitch or just subsurface flies?
I do it with all flies except for on very cold water
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Great video thanks for sharing.
Would this work for a single hand rod?
Of course!
very interesting !
Thank you
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Genius.
I never do a mind only when I want to move the fly after the drift when I start to skate it. I did not know people did this did a mind after the cast. But I fish by myself all the time, I also was self-taught for fly fishing before the internet.
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Agree!
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Good
What line are you using? Love the video
The yellow one
How do you get the fly deep enough if it starts swinging so early? (New to streamer fishing btw)
Just fish a weighted fly/ sinking tip or Sinking line. Just go heavier sink/heavier weighted fly if it doesn't get down. The fly+tip will still have some slight time to sink when it hits the water. The tension isn't instant. Changing your angle by casting straight across instead down and across will also help give more time before its swept up... Note if your fishing for steelhead or another species it changes things. many are fine with slower flies and the rivers are different. a big pull back mend + a step down+ straight across is common in the winter for steelhead in pnw among top guides
The fresher the fish, the more I agree. Cover as many potential fish, instead of trying to go for an agression take. I too have wasted unlimited hours mending upstream, when I only had read books, and never met a fly fisher, where I started.
I some times walk my line down and some times I feed line at the end of a swing
What you think bout that
normally i do the oposite ... but on cold conditions this can be very effective!
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I call that drag not drift the line is dragging the fly around with the pull of the water. Drifting is when your fly is freely drifting around the cast. Think off a dry fly floating and drifting on the surface you would not drag it around to the side. Unless you wanted to create a wake as in hitching. When hitching you drag to create surface movement IMHO. Of course knowing line control is most important for different situations in presenting a fly to the fish.
Hi Lawrence - this is a disscusion i had with many. Some say like you do..some think a drift can also be effected with the line... Thanks for your thoughts! /M
@@frodinflies thank you for replying. I think both ways are effective and often dictated by the situation. I choose to fish mainly the other way and have had many fish. I also fish your way in certain conditions and have had fish that way too. There is no absolute correct way we fish what works for us.
Tight lines M 🎣
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Great video in a stunning location,but don't fully come on board with all that's said.I must say I have caught many,many salmon on the upstream mend but I immediately take up the excess slack with the slowest retrieve which has my fly fishing fairly quickly even at distance,don't get me wrong I've had plenty doing what you are showing in the video but mainly in early spring with perhaps a F/H/I and biggish fly
Variety optimises the chances for the thinking angler. Now salmon are more `thin on the ground`, down and across really does limit the chances of encouraging salmon to take.
@@appsuccess absolutely agree,also conditions on the day as always play a big part on our approach
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It is a great technique for crowd fishing :P :D I wish I could fish alone like that :(
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You don't lose drift mending you lose swing. Mending makes it drift perfectly. Not mending makes it swing more. I have caught steelhead drifting as well as swinging.
Yeah english isn't frodin's first language, but its pretty clear what he's talking about visually. Keep in mind He's not fishing for Steelhead. He's fishing for atlantic salmon. They like much faster flies, they often hold in much fast shoulder water. The rivers they live in are often very different due the euro vs pacific north west landscape,the run sizes are different.(which can lead to far more dry fly +riffle hitch+sun ray results). All of this leads to often different styles inside of the spey+fly tying templates. A atlantic will eat on a drift too but they prefer a moving fly more( that's the suggestion you''l see all way back to the original grease line fishing for salmon book by jock scott first published in early 1900 on the river spey). the oncorhynchus mykiss and salmo salar are both salmonids but of separate genus millions of years apart. They separated before the pliocene.
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I don thave this problem, my problem is always how to make the fly go SLOW enough so i dont see the problem tbh but obv this is a problem for many and i am pretty sure it comes down to using too big flies. It is always big flies more speed, small flies less speed and people use too big flies when summer fishing so they dont catch anything. downsize and you catch more fish and by that i mean down to hook 14-16 etc during summer when the water is slow and current is obv slow and the water is warm- Small hooks u say, big fish will destroy them you say? when water is warm and low the fish is lazy and wont fight like when in preferable conditions so not a problem. Am i a totoal moron? maybe. But you can also try my way and then think about it again. just remember there are more than one way to catch salmon under bad conditions.
It's not luck then where is the fish.
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