Will Olive Oil Fix my International B275?
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2022
- Hello everyone,
Recently you may have seen that Lawrie managed to get Jeb to fire up after a long absence, but as ever, it doesn't idle well.
Lots of you commented with possible fixes, but there was one that stood out...
A video featuring, shot, and edited by Lawrie
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Congratulations!! Great fix. Just a word to the wise, you won't believe how many people have been pulled under the back wheel by starting a tractor when stood next to it and it either turned out to be in gear already or the dodgy old gearbox meshed when the engine started... always sit yourself on it when starting. Lecture over :)
I did that working on my old Ford tractor on our old farm .. didnt realize was in gear and yup, sucked under the rear tire, tore my knee all to hell . Learned a Very Valuable lesson, mind you i was about 13-14 yrs old and right stupid ... but it only happened ONCE . Cheers
You are absolutely correct but I still do it all the time. I'm sure one day it will bite me in the but.
Thanks for that, I'll make sure I remember. Could save serious injury. Jeez, the things my grand parents and uncles saw. Thanks!
Agree 100%
True but also a lot of old tractors do not start when in gear.
I have always loved the simplicity of working on that vintage of tractors. I grew up on a dairy farm in the US and being the eldest got the repair work once I reached double digit ages. We had Allis Chalmers models from the 1950s and 1960s which were often similar. My favorite story was gapping the conditioning rollers in a hay mower where the feeler gauge to use was a hacksaw blade.
That sounds... An interesting way of doing it!
Not pressure, but vacuum is coming in the pipe from the butterfly to the diaphragm. This counteracts the big spring holding the rack open, the engine speed is regulated by the butterfly altering the vacuum made by the engine's suction (Its also called 'manifold depression'). Tickover is adjusted by a screw on the butterfly lever, holding it slightly open from fully closed. Opening the throttle lever destroys the vacuum so the big spring pushes the rack to the full delivery position until it all balances up at the new setting again. Well done.
Oh of course! My bad
@@lmm I still understand your delight at getting it working properly again. I await brake & steering overhaul videos!
@@lmm "marvel mystery oil"... MMO is a very good product its helped me many of times.
And…. In this case it is not vacuum either, hate this word! Low pressure is a better word because vacuum is less then 0,002 bar… 😉
There is no vacuum on a diesile engin no throttle plate to create vacuume
God I love old tractors, my dexta is very similar to Jeb and I love how they can need such wonderful little tweaks and fixes like this, if something is built simply it can be fixed simply!
It's brilliant isn't it
often referred to as the 'kiss' principle: keep it simple, stoopid.............
I'm stunned by the fact that something so random has JEB running so sweetly, nice one Lawrie 👍
So am I!
There is no better fix than a cheap fix
@@philallen7626 That's always a fantastic day when the bill is cheap. I fixed the electric window on my car last year for £17, it was for a plastic regulator (which was a pain in the arse to fit) but far better than the £120 I was quoted by a garage to do the job.
Thats's awesome, Lawrie! My Dad and I have been (over the last few years) working on a 1940 IH Farmall model A and a 1950 Ford 8n here in the US. We've had similar struggles trying to get them running and serviceable... but we did manage to do both!
Love your channel!
Thank you very much! And well done you guys!
Great job! I love to see old things run like new again! Awesome!
So do I!
Fantastic- your absolute joy is infectious, just uplifting!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I just love the final start when it was hunting, you could see lawrie's mind ticking over thinking ok well it must be this instead, Then all of a sudden it was like "IM BACK" and the look of shock on lawries face hahaha also the driving in the field and giving it the beans and the front left wheel going mental haha lovely to hear it running as it should.
I was thinking, well that was a waste of time. Then. Oh. My. Days.
Thanks 🙏 for always putting a smile on my face you're the man Lawrie May the steam be with you
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed it!
Top job, I started watching you train vids but I love the way you are increasing in competence every time😂
I do love how enthusiastic you are when something works 😂 I'm very much the same 😅 awesome stuff
It's the shock of it!
Well done Mr Rose. Always a pleasure !
I'm so glad Jeb has seen some love recently, it's like a mini-What's Broken Now series. if I had to guess, it was probably cleaning that housing and the diaphragm that helped it the most; even a small amount of gunk and debris can really mess with the way an engine runs, as I found out with my small engines. Keeping that diaphragm lubricated and in good condition is very important on these tractors as that's apparently an important component of how these particular engines run. Well done Lawrie, I hope we see many good things in the future for Jeb and for you as well.
I suspect you're correct. Though I am now very pleased with myself.
Another excellent LMM video Lawrie. Well done. Another working vehicle as well (*touches wood*). Looking forward to seeing the next vehicle to be restored to running (not working but running).
Thank you very much!
The person who made the comment to use olive oil is now an official legend well done who ever it was
I'm amazed too!
I love it when a plan comes together...
...for no reason whatsoever.
👏
I am still unsure what I did
That was incredibly satisfying to watch!!!
Was incredibly satesfying to do!
LoL..your reaction is hysterical..glad she is running well mate..good job!
Thank you - so am I!
That Eureka moment! Well done Lawrie! 🙏🙏
Thank you very much!
We had several IH tractors, Farmall A, 250, 275, 414 etc. Will look forward to seeing the steering renewed, track rod ends are usual culprit, but the whole steering box could be loose on the bolts that hold it in place. We changed the front axle Trunnion Pin on the 414, it put up a struggle as it was very bent, and had to be melted out with a torch. BTW, I think that cranked lever on the Diesel Pump is an enrichment device for cold starts, just unscrew for more fuel, then screw back in once it starts.
I think you may well be right about the cold start.
I think my steering box has given up entirely, but we'll find out when I lift the tank.
Hi mate , good video, this reminds me of when I was an apprentice plant fitter .
We Stripped down a injecter pump on a massy at technical college, we fitted it back on the tractor
But forgot about fitting one pipe, as the teacher had left the class on our own we decided to bump start the tractor to see if it ran , it started and took off round the car park at top speed with no way to stop it revving flat out ! My mate Norman at the wheel
Weaving in and out of the parked cars , we all were laughing so much we couldn't help him, it crashed into a fence and stalled , need less to say we a got a giant bollocking
Happy days , regards uncle Franko.
That sounds quite the adventure 😂 terrifying at the time, hilarious in retrospect
Sounds like me a Christmas time .never gets old to see excitement I others when something works
Welcome Back Jeb! Always love seeing something run again
Me too!
Good job dude! :) I didn't expect that to work.
Neither did I!
I suspect that half the time when something does not run the way it should, it is down to poor adjustment or doubtful maintenance in the past. Bits were fitted for a reason, wear, dirt and neglect stop them working the way they should. Well done for sorting that issue, it ran nicely after your work.
Hi Laurie thanks for your investigation of the vacuum governor. The device on the injector pump is a priming / bleed manual pump. Normally to operate you would unscrew it and then it would be free to pump up and down. It is easy to replace with a Bosch part # 2447222126 which screws straight in. I believe this used on some models of Toyota Landcruiser. Cheers
Oh thank you, I might well do that
Fun post to watch! I mess with antique gas tractors some, but when it comes to diesels I'm not very good at troubleshooting. This taught me quite a bit!
Oh glad to have helped!
It's running nice now I also like the workshop
lovely video, lawrie !
Thank you very much!
We need more of that type of reaction in this world!
Glad to hear you enjoyed it!
You have the pleasure of running a machine that by its nature has to be built on precision. If everything is running ok it will run like a dream unlike the petrol engine. Well done. Great video.
Thank you, I'm happy it wanted to run again!
When I first read the title, I wondered what Popeyes girlfriend could do to help... 😉😅 Apparently, a lot, sounds great, good work, and great idea who ever sent it!!!
Oh good, it wasn't just me
@@Nova_Blaze Nope my mind works ( or in my case wanders.) in the same way.
I have no words.
@@lmm sometimes, I would be much better if I had no words. The world would be safer...😉
I was thinking the same……..
Glad to see you got that old IH running nice.
I think there is adjustments you can make to help with the steering wobble, but it might be something is just plain worn out. The narrow front IH tractors from back then all got that same play in the steering. I am sure if you look up how to fix steering wobble for an IH M or H you will find a way to work on that for your tractor too.
I think it's the steering box which has packed up
Nice work, Lawrie! Just remember that pneumatic systems are just like hydraulic. Only, you can't see the leaks :D
So much fun
Great video! I have no idea how that can work, even though I watched the video completely, but still great that such a bit of olive oil helped.
I have no idea either!
@@lmm The main thing is that it works properly.
That's what she said.
Cool, I love videos about tractors, please more :)
I'm doing my best!
The vacuum governors are very sensitive and just something slightly out of balance will cause problems, the reason for the two pipes is the vacuum is balanced either side of the butterfly the piece on the end cover is a valve so that needs to be clean. There should somewhere on the pump be an excess fuel button or lever for starting.
Well done !
Thank you
I like seeing how different your equipment is to ours in the USA
I feel the same way about your stuff!
Another excellent video, thanks. I’ll try this on my b275 soon as it does idle up and down slightly. Any chance of replacing glow plugs in the near future?
Great job fixing the idle! Nice the see the old girl running again.
Thank you! I'm quite amazed
Wow that was a surprise, Jeb sounds healthy again. Well done.
None more surprised than I!
Wow that's pretty cool thanks for showing that love the channel Love the content god bless
Thank you very much!
Excellent repair amazing🤠👍
Thank you
also check the oil level in the oilbath aircleaner as this can affect the tickover, it is still hunting a bit, but is much better what you are listening to when it is hunting is the diapragm opening the injector pump up, then the inlet manifold vacuum goes up, and the diaprhagm closes it down again, and it goes up/down/up/down. so, vacuum instability caused by leaking manifold/aircleaner hoses, no oil in the air filter, leaky vacuum pipes, check it all out and you will have a tractor that purrs! Good luck, love the channel!
|Phil
Thanks - glad you're enjoying what we do!
It had a service after I got it, so oil should be fine.
Popeye always said Olive Oil was good for lubrication! Good on you for getting Jeb sorted.
I have no words. 😂
@@lmm Makes a change! 😄
we had the same B275 model on our farm in OZ, from new in 1961 until finally sold on to a collector in 2015 when we sold the farm. The Injection system oitself never faulted; and the only ever problems came about after Dad didn't realise that swapping to detergent oil from the original mineral oil on a by then 30yrs old engine, was not a good idea... where the engine immediately leaked like a sieve. Reversion to mineral soon after, and all aok... One other problem was that with all the bush bashing, one of the fuel lines that looped at the Injection box sprang a (split) leak... Dad could not get a replacement, so I managed to eventually solder the pipe after wrapping with bare copper wire coiled around the piping. Soldering a diesel impregnated pipe is a job not for the faint hearted
That's a pretty good bit of repair work!
Wonderful. I love tractors!
Me too!
This man feel very happy with his tractor.😮😮♥️🎉💟💜
I am!
Wow I have never heard of that tip before. I was surprised when it actually worked.
So was I!
Lawrie’s “It’s Alive!” moments, are priceless.
Glad you enjoyed it
My dad had bought an International B-250 diesel in 1958, it was the first diesel tractor in my home town
Couples of years later our second neighbour bought an International B-275 like yours, I think they are mainly identical
My dad's farm was sold in 2012 with the B-250 that was still running well and always stored inside, so it was extremely clean
from what I recall the major difference between a B250 and a B275 was that the B250 was a 5 Speed, whereas the B275 had a 4 speed with the H-L Range addition.
Yes the B-250 had a 5 speed transmission and I did not know the B-275 had H-L range transmission
The B-414 had also had a 4 speed with H-L range transmission that I knew
Oh that's cool. Good little tractors
!when you open the throttle, the butterfly in the inlet manifold opens, and the vacum from the inlet manifold is passed down the pipe and the diaphragm opens up the injector pump. On my major the pipes were rusted through with pinholes all over and it was much the same till I fixed the pipes! Good luck with it!
That makes sense!
I'm so pleased for you, engine sounds amazing. The olive oil did its job its a lot quicker now then before really enjoyed it.
Amazing isn't it
I've never tried Olive oil, but I've had great results with lemon Pledge furniture polish. I use it on anything vinyl, rubber, or plastic. Under the hood, or the interior vinyl/dashboard/gauges or the tires. I'm running the original tires on my 1972 Suzuki TS250 with zero sign of dry rot or any degradation.
Oh really?
Thats a 1960 b275 , part of that year they came with the old inline pump. BIG news when the engine is off, pull the stop Lever OUT from the housing, it will snap out and stay 1/4 inch out until the engine starts , then it will return in on its own. This moves the rack to full fuel delivery and that helps to make the injector pressure while cranking. It will rev high and then come down to the throttle setting, Its a huge starting help ,I would use it only for the first start of the day.
Thanks for that! I'll try that next time I start it!
I know times are tight but at 15mins when you were cleaning the spring I’m sure you could of used a new piece of blue roll 😂
That's expensive stuff!
The whole way through I'm thinking what about the pipes? Basic fault finding, check the easy stuff first. Pop the pipes off and make sure they're not blocked, but, you did it! Well done.
One time I had a bad idling motor, turned out the butterfly was loose. The screws had rattled nearly out.
Oh really?
Imagine a man on Halloween night roaring down the street on a tractor with no brakes, cackling madly
😂 😂 😂
Fantastic, Laurie. Very Pleased for tyou. All you've got to do now is get those brakes fixed.
And the steering!
Great video on the IH pneumatic governor system! I'd be willing to wager your issue was caused by a leaky seal at the cover. You know those injection pumps aren't as bad as people say to rebuild either. You can still find individual parts for those pumps. Just set the engine to TDC on #1, mark location, pull the pump, rebuild and reinstall in the same orientation. Piece of cake!
I think you're most likey correct, or something I blew out with the airline.
@@lmm Yes Sir, a bug or debris can definitely stop up the line. I love this old stuff! Keep it coming!
Nice job !
Thank you
the governor idea is similar to early Fordson Major. The diaphragm sometimes split if ok use graphite grease, oil can rot rubber
It doesn't look to be made of rubber. More a leather.
@@lmm maybe original part
Nice one mate .
Thank you
great video, sounded good and smooth idle, i would have put olive oil on both sides of the diapragm
I wasn't expecting it to work!
I used to have a B275. Was a rather good tractor. Although never found many who had a good word for it. When we first got it, it had the same idling issue yours did. And the brakes couldn't really be called brakes. It had a loader on it. So if I needed to stop quick, just dropped the bucket. The steering wasn't right either , very hard to steer. I didn't have much problem with it. But had to make sure it was rolling or the steering wheel wasn't budging. Most everyone else that got on it could only go in straight lines. Other than that, never had any issues with anything. Always started, even in subzero weather. Ran that thing for about 10 years. Then it was stolen. Only thing I've got now are the drawbar and the brake assemblies. You may already know this. But if you need any parts for your tractor go to a Mahindra dealer. Forget the model. But they bought the patents from IH. They sell the same tractor with different sheet metal. Other than the sheet metal, it's pretty much a zerox copy.
Thanks for that! That's useful, I'll get some new brake parts ordered. It'll be good to get her sorted.
I hear lots of people are not a fan of them, but I quite like the thing
@@lmm in India same model name "Mahindra b275 bhoomiputra"
Seme to same look100% same .gear box same. hydraulic same to same. 🇮🇳
HOLY SHIT! Lawrie Rose actually _fixed_ something!
I feel the same way
Loved the video, gave me a great laugh. Olive oil is good for all kinds of things according to my wife.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I loved this video
Thank you very much
Nice patina . Vintage tractors are awesome.
Aren't they just
ive had trouble with rev hunting on the dorman engine in a priestman wolf excavator i'm working on. time to try this i think.
Good luck!
Nice!
Thanks!
I hadn't actually heard of the B275 - heck, never actually seen one, usually the IHs I see at shows are either the Farmall line or the XX66 "square body" line. But apparently these were made in England, huh!
Yeah, quite a range where built here.
Hunting can often be a governor that is "sticky" for some reason.
If it does not respond to small changes in the forces on it, the response is delayed and it will over / under rev to some extent as the force becomes high enough to overcome the stickiness.
With that setup, the only way I see the oil having any effect is if the diaphragm material slides on the metal centre.
Grit or general dirt on the centre spigot could equally have been a cause.
Or an improper seal on the end cap. The rack moved freely, so don't think it was that.
I believe that it was cleaning that actually fixed it for you. The olive oil helps the diaphragm to stay supple in order to do it's job properly. Never underestimate the power of cleaning.
I rather suspect you are correct
Yeah I drove my uncles IH 275 back i suppose 55 years ago good little tractor which he ploughed and sowed with and also drove a five foot Dania trailer combine harvester , I got the job of baling the straw with the tractor and IH 46 baler , the memories ..........................🤫🤔
Ah good times!
Lovely old thing I’ve got the slightly newer version of that tractor sounds identical 😬… any idea of when the video you filmed with my brother last year will be out?
In the not too distant future
Hey good for you, the old girl sounds good 😀
I was very excited!
ATF is amazing on injection pumps. Fill it up in filter. Run it good and hot with a lot in tanks also. Let it soak overnight.
Oh really? I'll give it a go
Not sure if anyone else has mentioned - I think you can get excess fuel for starting on those pumps by pulling the stop lever ‘out’. As in, with the lever in the ‘run’ position try to pull the lever as if you’re trying to pull the shaft out of the pump - it should click and stay out a little. It’ll reset after starting. I wonder if this was happening when you had the diaphragm out….
Oh really? I'll try it next time
I share your Joy!
I'm glad to hear it!
Fuel line restriction, water in fuel or need new filter ? Is the spring on the correct side of the diaphragm ?
We did the fuel line in the previous video, could be poor fuel, filters were done years ago when we first got it running, and it's not done enough to need replacement. Yes, spring wouldn't go the other.
Cuppa, toasties and LMM....can't complain, actually I can....there's no beer! 🍻😉😆😂
I'd say that the spring, is doing some sort of springy stuff....🤨🤔
The spring does appear to still be quite springy and being a springy spring it's probably springing back to shape in an acceptable springy way.
@@lmm
That's most excellent Squire, I do hope that the spring inspires you to get a spring in your step....🍻
The automatically generated subtitles by RUclips told me that the tractor said "thank you" when you started it! 😂
Thank you for finally working as you should!
Reminds me of a Nissan sd22, fuel rack is controlled with manifold vacuum
Oh really?
The twisty thing? David Brown 880 3 cyl have the same thing... it just unscrews, it's a cold start to let more fuel into the cylinders
Oh super, thanks for that!
We had a B-250 growing up. She was a beast of tractor, once you got her started. Reflecting back, she likely needed a new injection pump?
It seems to be pretty happy now!
So was it the oil on the diaphram or the little bit he allowed to be sucked into the vacuum system? If the problem comes back I would try the latter first, simpler.
I suspect its getting a better seal this time
My b250 has a cold start device on the pump activated by pulling the stop arm outward, it clicks in again after starting like a Major or Nuffield, diesel tech showed me this
Oh yes, I've seen that on many diesels. I've always thought that if they've got glow plugs they tend not to have that?
It needs a new diaphragm and primer button. You can get them from Darwen Diesel in the UK
The diaphragm is a new replacement.
Farmer fixes are the best!
Amazing isn't it
Interesting vid. I love old iron. But I have to say the olive oil didn't do squat, the cleaning of the governing system did the trick. I worked on old fordson majors and dextas with the same pneumatic system. Being in Canada these engine at idle will serge until warmed up. And thanks to either (starting fluid) it kept a lot of us old mechanics employed.
I rather suspect you're correct
Have you changed the oil in the injection pump?
it would be good idea to use some diesel injector cleaner in the fuel
It uses the engine oil.
@@lmm You sure about that? cant see any oil lines feeding/draining the pump and there are posts on internet about changing the oil
@@NuffMan_ I think it gets it from the drive at the front. This apparently is an early version with a different pump to the later version? But I could well be wrong.
However, I did take the inspection cover off and add oil to it incase it had run low, but it was correct for where it should be.
@@lmm as NuffMan said, that pump needs to be filled with oil, usually the same grade as the engine. Diesel leaking from the upper part of the pump also helps tho. You just put oil in the plug on the upper part, and fill it until it drips from the leak-off tube.
@@sergiroure2722 oh right?
I took the inspection plate off at dropped some oil in, but it was already at the correct level.
Cool!
Thanks!
Bit of an exhaust leak where the manifold joins the pipe but otherwise JEB seems to be running amazingly well!
I'll live with that. I suspect that if I try to tighten it it'll sheer
wonder if it needs a new gasket
I have missed the "what's broken now streams" any chance of them coming back.
We could definitely do with a what's broken now update.
Tell me about it. Hopefully soon.
Well I could not believe that Olive Oil would get a Tractor up & running. Here's to seeing the next episode of working on JEB the Tractor.🚜🚜
Me neither!
Congratulations. I suspect just cleaning everything set it right. The olive oil might have been just a "red herring". Maybe there was dirt in one of the lines or the diaphragm seal was not perfect from an earlier repair attempt. Now some brake work and steering overhaul and... Do you have any farming implements like a plow to play with?
I suspect you're correct, most likely in the rear cap.
No, sadly not.
so next time the rest? like the brakes and steering and the paintjob?
That... May be more than an episode.