I love centre place lectures. I love the people who actually have questions for the lecturer. Don't care for the people who pretend to have questions, but they really only want a chance to show off what they think they know.
Agreed. The latter are incredibly disrespectful of both the lecturer and their fellow audience members (including us!). The one person who was trying to correct the lecturer by telling him things he had previously covered in his lecture was particularly awful.
I've watched a lot of the Centre Place lectures but the audience in this really did try to show off what they know or try to flex on the lecturer more than normal. Weird.
@@jisiri ? Because he chose to be? Isn't that why most Christians are Christians? Or, you could say God called him to be a Christian? I'm not sure I understand your question.
You would rather be decieved by a man who thinks himself as wise and knows what he talks about or read it straight from the bible and the conviction of the divine from Jesus in your heart common people wake up and listen to your hearts
This RUclips channel has the absolute best lecturers. They are incredibly smart and explain everything with great detail and can back it all up with their research receipts. But most importantly they explain everything in a way every one can understand.
So you think this man disects religion and asks some really hard questions, wake up its all thoughts and questions from the flesh not from the heart its not from the spirit. Its from the decieved mind and flesh of a normal man
Yes! Paganism has been around millennia before the story of one God, Adam and Eve , cane able, Abraham, etc etc were all invented. Yes, The term paganism is relatively new, but people have been believing in more than one God longer than anything that's been written down.
I was enjoying the lecture but stopped watching because of commercials every 5-10 minutes. Please consider modifying the settings so that we only see commercials at the beginning and end of videos. They really detract from the learning and enjoyment of the content. Best wishes; this is a great channel!
Hi so great, Now: when apply the same approach/method from monolatry to monotheism, from El, Bal to Jahwe- what does it give us for Jesus like eg the natural consequences seauel or are we in a different game?
This is a very interesting topic. It’s amazing that this is a subject where everything can be gleaned from the text but requires a new approach - a fresh look at the usages of El and Elohim.
Who is your lecturer? His name isn't mentioned in the description of any of the videos I've watched featuring him so far (though maybe you added his name in more recent uploads). This was a very interesting lecture. I especially respected how the lecturer dealt with the one rude commenter by calmly reaffirming that he had already covered that information in his presentation. Whenever there are rude people wasting our time and energy by lecturing the presenter it would be very helpful if there were an "impartial" third party who could politely interrupt and redirect such audience members to please hold their comments for a one on one conversation after the Q&A segment.
I'd love to hear the lecture, but to hear the speaker, we had to have the speakers on high, but the commercials blasted me and mom out of our chairs! Sorry!!
All well and good that you've eloquently stated these explanations of the Old Testament, and I appreciate your scholarly work. In this light, I was wondering about any "ultimate truth" posited for the New Testament. In other words, the whole biblical structure is weak in my mind (and also based upon my own study). So why is your website cheering people to worship Jesus ? Or does the NT stand on its own ? BTW, I have no problem worshiping an "abstract creator of the universe" independent of the bible.
@@watermelonlalala Yes, we know that in your head, the world is a very narrow place with extremely limited options. Thankfully, we don't have to be stuck there if we don't want to.
Fascinating. Some real insight into the origins of our religious approach to being-in-the world that is rich and makes sense (more sense than the official Catechism - LOL).
The most important key to survival was to know the weather patterns. But how to remember them? Stories and symbolism. Most of the gods represent a certain time. They didn't think there was a real entity that controlled the weather. Well, maybe the common folks but not the seers, shamans, priests etc. The Bible is esoteric and without the keys you will be lost in literal interpretation forever. It was designed that way.
The royal plural is referencing & including, speaking for, all royalty. So if God used "we", it would mean the god speaking was speaking for all the gods.
In the Tanach it states God is prince and prince is King..I think it's a reference that is connected with the angels, the arch angels especially. As we know the Tanach also states that in the last days Michael will take his stand. Kabbalists believe this is a reference showing Michael and the angels without free will. As a right hand, Michael will naturally do what El elohim wants. The right hand is connected to one body of the God. In other words a Kabbalists is going to tell you elohim is apart of a unit. "Hear O Yisrael your God is one..the one here in Hebrew is said by Orthodox Jews as to mean "unit" rather than the numeral one like we understand.
It is time for believers worldwide to WAKE UP, get serious about reading the WORD, obeying what we read and STOP putting our trust in man! Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his arm, and whose heart turns away from Yahweh"(Jeremiah 17:5) We have been LIED TO in Churches about the Name above all names. Our Creator has a Name - YAHWEH and He put His Name upon His one and only begotten Son - YAHSHUA. Be on guard before Him and obey His voice. Do not rebel against Him, for He is not going to pardon your transgression, for My Name is in Him." (Exodus 23:21) We have been LIED TO about the SABBATHS of Yahweh. Also the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants, all who guard the Shabbath, and not profane it, and hold fast to My Covenant - them I shall bring to My qodesh mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer." (Isaiah 56:6-7) We Have been LIED TO about the COMMANDS of Yahweh. And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His Commands. The one who says, 'I know Him,' and does not guard His Commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Elohim has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. (1 John 2:3-5) It is time to PRAY for an opening of BLINDED EYES to understand His loving Covenant to ISRAEL, who we MUST be GRAFTED IN TO to become the children of Yah! It's time to shelve our learning inherited from "the whore" and become as little children to allow the Spirit of Yah to re-instruct us in the TRUTH! Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become as little children, you shall by no means enter into the reign of the shamayim." (Matthew 18:3) It's time to CLEAN UP our act and to cease wallowing in the abominations and lusts of the world! Come out from among them and be separate, says יהוה, and do not touch what is unclean, and I shall receive you." (2 Corinthians 6:17) A total enslavement is coming very very soon. You want Truth with Scripture go to 2besaved dot com.
@@leahestey - Not sure what you're referring to in your post ma'am... If you're suggesting that a recommendation to read the Word and obey it is the "interpretation of man," then maybe you DO need to read your Bible more ;)
Geez that commenter from 1:40:00 to 1:47:00 was insufferable! I know this is 6 years old, but well done handling that Leandro. Eloah is used multiple times in the Tanakh, Duet 32:15; 17 for example
2:46 Really? should the person you looked at be giving the presentation? I like points of views. for read speeches I got to politicians. I will bid you a good day sir
Abraham from the middle of the second millennium BCE (or even before according to some chronology of the Bible around 1900 BCE) meeting with the king of Philistines is an anachronism....We know that the Philistines originates from the sea people who conquered the land only around 1200 BCE....
How does one distinguish between gods to know which are true or not? Curious that one remark about "well educated" women possibly believing in non-Christian god figure(s) with an implied assumption other religions are somehow primitive, i.e. do not belong in the modern age. I liked the response
Your heart tells you what's right eventually. Not everyone is seeking most people accept their native tradition without ever seriously looking into the man discrepancies but in my humble opinion in every culture there will always be people bold enough to look behind the veil of their own beliefs to see whose there. Such people people along are the one's to whom "the Gods come".
What need have I to summon Hellenes and Hebrews as witnesses of this? There exists no man who does not stretch out his hands towards the heavens when he prays; and whether he swears by one god or several, if he has any notion at all of the divine, he turns heavenward. And it was very natural that men should feel thus. For since they observed that in what concerns the heavenly bodies there is no increase or diminution or mutability, and that they do not suffer any unregulated influence, but their movement is harmonious and their arrangement in concert; and that the illuminations of the moon are regulated, and that the risings and settings of the sun are regularly defined, and always at regularly defined seasons, they naturally conceived that the heaven is a god and the throne of a god. For a being of that sort, since it is not subject to increase by addition, or to diminution by subtraction, and is stationed beyond all change due to alteration and mutability, is free from decay and generation, and inasmuch as it is immortal by nature and indestructible, it is pure from every sort of stain. Eternal and ever in movement, as we see, it travels in a circuit about the great Creator, whether it be impelled by a nobler and more divine soul that dwells therein, just as, I mean, our bodies are by the soul in us, or having received its motion from God Himself, it wheels in its boundless circuit, in an unceasing and eternal career. ~ Emperor Flavius Claudius Julianus
that's not what henotheism is. Henotheism is the doctrine of emanation. It can be monotheist, polytheist, or even atheist. It is basically the doctrine that all of reality, including the gods come fro ma single source. Some ontologies put a god in that position, in which case it does match up with what you're describing of a "top god in charge", but it doesn't have to be that way. The Greek prefix "henos" means like, "oneness", "merged" not "exclusive", "only" if that makes any sense. Also monolarty is pure evil and responsible for the worst kind of colonialism which destroyed the world. These so called "male prostitutes" are actually the holy priestesses of Lion Walking Qadesh. They may have had ritual sex, but calling them "prostitutes" is homophobic. The temple of Holy Mother Cybele lies in ruins at the Vatican to this day due to Christian violence. They took her pines, they took her lions, they smashed their violets. They burned the works of Sappho, Heraclitus, Porphyry. They murdered Hypatia. The catholic saint thing is very true and resembles how the Basilides Christians of Alexandria. They were henotheists with a deity-like figure for each day.
Pele Pronounce = Pay Lay Native American Tribes in New Mexico USA have a pagan god called Kokopelli. There are all sorts of articles on line that explain Kokopelli but what I heard is that Kokopelli dances across the sky helping the sun to rise and set. I haven't seen that definition on line yet. Scientists and the Europeans are rather ethnocentric and generally assume they know more that the indigenous. The truth of the matter is that the Catholic Church is not any more Christian than the "pagans" were. In times past most people had symbols and used symbolism... I have to admit that most Americans do not understand symbolism on any level. All cultures have their stories. The stories vary but they all contain elements of human thought, behavior, culture, consequences, and rewards. The ancients understood this. It may have all begun to teach their young lessons of values, and the natural world. It is no different really than telling a small child that Santa won't bring you any presents if you are bad. If you are good Santa will come to our house and leave you presents. And boy or boy... has our culture gone crazy with this story!.. There is nothing that people won't do to fulfill this "Materialistic" fantasy. LOL ... Santa Clause is a symbol of sharing, giving to others and good behavior. Sure wish the volume was louder for the video.
Only 10% of population of Hawaii are indigenous Hawaiian or other Pacific Islanders. Why the comment that people saying it is Pele looked like middle class white? Sounds kind of racist to me.
Paganism was around thousands of years before old or new testaments were created. Christian festivals were all originally pagan, Saturnalia became Christmas Eostre became Easter , Noah story was created thousands of years before the bible copied it . Monotheism began with the paleolithic ( stone age) hunter gatherers They left offerings for the moon.. By the time Late neolithic people began farming, the sun became their primary God. Simple practical Gods , Over the centuries stories were created and recreated Including the god creating humans and everything else story Thats all the bible is, stories , fantasy, Not to be taken seriously...
Which doesn't have much to do with the passages he's discussing here, as that's a later, Christian doctrine, not part of the Hebrew scriptures, which, as he discusses in detail, show clear remnants of a polytheistic culture. In any case, the "triune god" concept doesn't make much sense to a lot of people not inclined to simply take doctrine at face value, and comes across as a sort of polytheism in drag. Surely you've heard this point before, even if it doesn't occur to you as a totally obvious point.
No. It's not entirely clear who the Sea Peoples were but the came to the Levant rather than from it. However, the Canaanites WERE a seagoing people and were later called the Phoenicians.
@@neilcreamer8207 Phoenicians came WITH the Sea Peoples. They're one of the groups that came (probably from Cyprus) during the Bronze Age Collapse and replaced or conquered the Canaanites living along the coastal plains. However, they were also the group that assimilated fastest such that every trace of their foreign heritage had disappeared in a century. They then became, ironically, the "model" Canaanites of the Iron Age. A similar thing happened with the Israeli tribe of Dan, which probably came from Greece and were closely related to the Philistines but are remembered (thanks to Samson) as the bulwark against said Philistines. Also somewhat ironic because their Judge is basically Hercules.
No the seapeople where the Palistu , they came by bout from the Agean sea , ( from Greek) and we know that because they left greek pottery behind , they seattled in citystate in Askelon and Gad , and todays Gaza and they were the worshipper of the bull ( the minotaur) and other greek gods and godesses but was also syncronised with the Canananites Ba'al worshipp ( Ba'al is also a bull a development of Egyptian worshipp of their bullgod Apsis , and they are vegetibilian gods , they die and resuarects like the seasons ) the Palistu is the people we today call the palestines( not the socalled Palestines that are still in Palestine today mind you , they are Arabic speaking Syrian semites) the real palestines are already driven out from Palestine by the semitic arabs to Libanon 3 000 000 real philistines/ Palistu is thrown out by the Arabic speaking semitic syrians that are 2000 000 that are still in Palestine, of them are 10 000 real palestines, the rest are Arabic speaking semitic syrians, and of them 200 000 are in alignment with Hamas , radical Muslims that are dead set one obliterating Israel , and are in collaboration with hiz bollah ( Iran) and AQAP (al Quida in Saudiarabia and Yemen and Sudan). Of the 200 000 Arabic speaking radical Muslims in Gaza and other parts of Palestine 30 000 are insurgents they are from Libanon , Saudiarabie, Irak , and Jordanien , they are arabs and they are illegal immigrants they have no work permitte or residential permitte , they are only in Palestine to keep the conflict going and thats because AQAP that are wahabist salafists togheter with Iran and Irak and Syria and Jordan wants to take down Israel in Iran they have even put up a clock that are ticking down the time for Israels excistence its the gouverment of Irans undertaking and they have publicly declared that Israel will be gone in 25 years approximately 2040 the clock is ticking down for Israel . So the Iranien gouverment is doing everything in its power except attacking Israel openly because Israels air defence and missil system is far to advanced for Iran to beat , so instead Iran is developing nuclear weapons. That is however a dangerous path that can force the FN to intervene in the similar way as they did in Iraq.
As the Bible says Satin and his demonic spirits know the Bible word for word. From the beginning of time till the end. Just keep in mind GOD made man and from his rib he made woman. That’s why man is 1 rub less then a woman. Don’t ever doubt GODS word of how he feels about men laying with men or woman with woman. GOD see’s everything we do in the dark, he knows are hearts. He loves everyone, he just doesn’t love our sinful nature! Ask him in your heart, to forgive your sin and we can all join him when he comes to take us home. May GOD’S love and forgiveness give you pease and comfort.
@@jacobpinto5175 The biases and claims to the only god that Christianity has is explained here...one cannot claim there is one god ,then teach trinity...just bunk.
It is time for believers worldwide to WAKE UP, get serious about reading the WORD, obeying what we read and STOP putting our trust in man! Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his arm, and whose heart turns away from Yahweh"(Jeremiah 17:5) We have been LIED TO in Churches about the Name above all names. Our Creator has a Name - YAHWEH and He put His Name upon His one and only begotten Son - YAHSHUA. Be on guard before Him and obey His voice. Do not rebel against Him, for He is not going to pardon your transgression, for My Name is in Him." (Exodus 23:21) We have been LIED TO about the SABBATHS of Yahweh. Also the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants, all who guard the Shabbath, and not profane it, and hold fast to My Covenant - them I shall bring to My qodesh mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer." (Isaiah 56:6-7) We Have been LIED TO about the COMMANDS of Yahweh. And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His Commands. The one who says, 'I know Him,' and does not guard His Commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Elohim has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. (1 John 2:3-5) It is time to PRAY for an opening of BLINDED EYES to understand His loving Covenant to ISRAEL, who we MUST be GRAFTED IN TO to become the children of Yah! It's time to shelve our learning inherited from "the whore" and become as little children to allow the Spirit of Yah to re-instruct us in the TRUTH! Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become as little children, you shall by no means enter into the reign of the shamayim." (Matthew 18:3) It's time to CLEAN UP our act and to cease wallowing in the abominations and lusts of the world! Come out from among them and be separate, says יהוה, and do not touch what is unclean, and I shall receive you." (2 Corinthians 6:17) A total enslavement is coming very very soon. You want Truth with Scripture go to 2besaved dot com.
@@2besavedcom-7 strange that you quote Exodus saying we've been lied to... The Exodus was clearly a fictional story, and is just frickin crazy. That journey could take 2 weeks walking, and with the numbers used, the people who started would be finished before the last started. When an atheist hears Bible quotes as proof of the Bible, it just sounds ridiculous. A book written in Aramaic, then Greek, then Latin, then Old English.... its a game of telephone. How about using some evidence to prove your position instead? Just for fun, I challenge you to find the Friendly Atheist here on RUclips. He goes through Exodus chapter by chapter, and its pretty hilarious, even if you are a hard core Christian.
@@SeattleDinghyer - Thanks buddy, I've watched a number of his videos (among other atheists) and still find their religion harder to swallow than the Bible :) Don't you find it amazing that, as you say, the Bible has passed through 5-6 languages over 3K years, and when they dig up some scrolls that are 2.5K years old, they still match almost word for word? There's an excellent doco that discusses the Exodus journey and concludes that the journey is feasible, not only that, but the papers done on Ark feasibility studies can account for way more than the genus species to all fit on board etc. I agree that it is good to get both sides of an issue, which is why I watch many opposing atheistic docos, and I suggest you do the same and read the scientific papers that cover the "difficult" Biblical accounts of history. Dig, dig, dig...
Baal didn't become a demon. Christians, who could not understand Hebrew, coopted scripture they could not understand. Beelzebub only means "Lord of the Flies", and doesn't refer to the god Baal. It refers to, at various times, other gods who were given burnt flesh offerings, like Molech, or gods that ruled the land of the dead. ( Because offerings & corpses attracted flies.)
Good evening I like your comment and also your way of thinking. Where did you get this from? Please respond. I have been a Christian(not faithful) for over 20yrs and I'm starting to question things about my faith.
@The 4 Gospels Commentary I'm sorry, but Christianity can not be the true religion. Exodus 21:7, When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. What GOD will see human beings as property.
@@russell311000 Christianity is without a doubt a true religion, as can be proven from its external signs, such as miracles. There are many explanations for slavery in the Bible - in some cases it would be better translated as servitude instead of slavery, or slaves were war prisoners who would otherwise be killed, etc...
@@CatholicSedevacantist How about the raping of young girls. Hagar was counted as property to Abraham. She had no say about sleeping with him. She was property.
I speak Hebrew. Ish (Person) is singular while Anashim (People) is plural. Davar (Thing) is singular while Dvarim (Things) is plural. Therefore it makes a lot of sense that El is singular and Elohim is plural. All plurals in Hebrew end with "-im". Felt kinda bad I wasn't there to help clarify that.
A lot of, _my God is bigger than your God._ We were still in our childhood, intellectually. Yet people still want to cling to these Gods like they’re real. Or, at least, like one of them is.
That is a commonly held belief that is incorrect. The true etymology of the word Easter is it coming from the name of the Anglo-Saxon goddess of the dawn Eostre. Or at least that is what Pastor John has espoused in the past. The Northumbrians had a hand in this.
No. Easter came from Old English Eoster which came from Old German Ostar, both mean East/Dawn and are supposedly the name of the German goddess of Spring/rebirth (according to Anglo-Saxon historian Bede and Jacob Grimm)
Poor people don't wanna live the current life much long 'cos their lives are hard. Well how will these people wanna live eternal life? Jack Bezzo may want to live another 10000 years though ...
VERY GOOD Subject, The Speaker brings up some really interesting topics, and I live on Maui, in Hawaii, and appreciate his interest in Pele and Hawaiian Beliefs. I am a 'New Resident' and learning about the History & Traditions of these Wonderful Islands. Pele is considered the Goddess of both Destruction & Creation, so She could be an ancient extension of the Hindu Goddess Shiva, as the origins of the Polynesians Peoples could be connected to India.? Also, Catholics DO NOT Worship Saints nor Statues, this is not accurate as they 'Venerate' Saints and Statues/Images' of Jesus, Mary Joseph, etc... BUT NO Images or Statues of God are worshipped. In Christian theology, the Holy Trinity consists of three hypostases: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. The three are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature"...But All 1 God.
Keith, just to share... I live in Italy, which is definitely Catholic country. There are many practicing Catholics who worship La Madonna (Virgin Mary) as well as their patron Saint. It might not be preached from the altar, but it is definitely done in the home. I can't speak for other countries, of course. I am only sharing what goes on in my region in Northern Italy. When I've asked, "Why?", because I wanted to understand, the answer often falls in the category of, "I don't want to bother God with my problems." In essence, they are humanizing something as HUGE as an Omnipotent Presence to manageable proportions for them. In short, humanity has taken and still takes baby steps in their journey to understand that which is infinitely greater than their human self.
@@CarlosMunoz-pc2ky I don't think christians believe statues or idols of jesus christ are real gods. Many pagans don't think idol & images are gods too. They use images as a thing to concentrate on God's holiness, existance.. .etc. But abrahamic people love to say pagans are idolaters meanwhile christians kiss the cross, pray in front of an image of 'crucifixion of christ' AND muslims kiss & circumambulate the black stone, thats assumed as the holy mension of allah sent from heaven. Religious bias are weird. Every religion thinks theirs is the only true one.
@@allahjr.8522 Nobody knows nothing until everything happens. But what I understand is that the making of wooden or clay dolls that are given wind by mouth (de os) were called gods because they were used to goad people into worshipping them and to prosper forward spreading their wooden or clay cult. As the doll is given life by the boy the boy is given life by his apple iDoll plus. Goths are like this flowing wind jetting out of the mouth of God arriving on longboats to rape/love and pillage/thunder you into capitalism and western culture. They even cross you with the heavy book they throw that only the worthy can wield like if it was mjolnir.
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I love centre place lectures.
I love the people who actually have questions for the lecturer.
Don't care for the people who pretend to have questions, but they really only want a chance to show off what they think they know.
Agreed. The latter are incredibly disrespectful of both the lecturer and their fellow audience members (including us!). The one person who was trying to correct the lecturer by telling him things he had previously covered in his lecture was particularly awful.
You and I both, but I don't understand why he's a Christian do you?
I've watched a lot of the Centre Place lectures but the audience in this really did try to show off what they know or try to flex on the lecturer more than normal. Weird.
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Because he chose to be?
Isn't that why most Christians are Christians?
Or, you could say God called him to be a Christian?
I'm not sure I understand your question.
Maybe hes a Christian because. He likes fairy tales.
Is no one going to mention his shirt unbuttoned disco style
1st thing I noticed..? hehee
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Thats the source of his power
Ah ah ah ah, stayin' alive...
Her shirt.
I am so grateful I found this RUclips channel. I have learned so much!!!! Please keep this great work coming.
You would rather be decieved by a man who thinks himself as wise and knows what he talks about or read it straight from the bible and the conviction of the divine from Jesus in your heart common people wake up and listen to your hearts
Which bible are you talking about
I see the man. As
Someone that's still trying to learn what the Bible really says.
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2 questions:
1. What is the name of this wonderful lecturer?
2. Is this available in Spanish?
Leandro Palacios I think?? That's what Google turned up. Check into Michael Heiser also if you haven't already :)
This RUclips channel has the absolute best lecturers. They are incredibly smart and explain everything with great detail and can back it all up with their research receipts. But most importantly they explain everything in a way every one can understand.
How do you start a lecture without introducing the speaker? What's up with that?
I don't really mind... Wouldn't mind if I were the speaker either. The intros are a bit boring don't you think?
@@professorspf Intro’s are always boring. That’s why there’s an advance option.
An intro is very valuable.
Very interesting lecture and topic!! Thanks for the time you took to make this presentation possible!!
Why the sound level is so low? I can hardly hear anything.... :((
Finally, someone who sees the science of religion, and isn’t afraid of the religion of science. Well done!
real Kabbalists will do the same.
So you think this man disects religion and asks some really hard questions, wake up its all thoughts and questions from the flesh not from the heart its not from the spirit. Its from the decieved mind and flesh of a normal man
I see this Man, as still learning.
You seem to know everything
01:30:49
How can the guy in the audience be five times louder than the speaker?
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Microphone placement
Yes! Paganism has been around millennia before the story of one God, Adam and Eve , cane able, Abraham, etc etc were all invented.
Yes, The term paganism is relatively new, but people have been believing in more than one God longer than anything that's been written down.
I was enjoying the lecture but stopped watching because of commercials every 5-10 minutes. Please consider modifying the settings so that we only see commercials at the beginning and end of videos. They really detract from the learning and enjoyment of the content. Best wishes; this is a great channel!
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. This was never our intention. The mid-video ads have been removed.
@@centre-place Thank you so much! I will donate to Centre Place as soon as I am able.
What's Geddy Lee doing lecturing on paganism?
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59 minutes in: “Now this whole thing so far was an introduction…” Made me smile
Why do the descriptions of these videos never have the name of the speaker?
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Hi so great, Now: when apply the same approach/method from monolatry to monotheism, from El, Bal to Jahwe- what does it give us for Jesus like eg the natural consequences seauel or are we in a different game?
This is a very interesting topic. It’s amazing that this is a subject where everything can be gleaned from the text but requires a new approach - a fresh look at the usages of El and Elohim.
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Resubmit with higher SOUND. It should be audible on an iPhone, android phone and tablet at half volume. Not 100%.
1:31:13 what show is being spoke of?
American Gods. Originally a book by Neil Gaiman.
Who is your lecturer? His name isn't mentioned in the description of any of the videos I've watched featuring him so far (though maybe you added his name in more recent uploads).
This was a very interesting lecture. I especially respected how the lecturer dealt with the one rude commenter by calmly reaffirming that he had already covered that information in his presentation.
Whenever there are rude people wasting our time and energy by lecturing the presenter it would be very helpful if there were an "impartial" third party who could politely interrupt and redirect such audience members to please hold their comments for a one on one conversation after the Q&A segment.
Christianity is a typical polytheism, which contradicts squarely with the teachings of Jesus himself
Great content, but someone needs to try to listen to these shows on a smartphone. At full volume I can barely hear the content.
It was a great lecture until the very end during the Q&A. And some Jewish guy gets up and starts ranting with a random thoughts
More excellent work. Thanks for all you do.
I'd love to hear the lecture, but to hear the speaker, we had to have the speakers on high, but the commercials blasted me and mom out of our chairs! Sorry!!
Why did you use God's ultimate troll of paganism for your thumbnail on this topic?
1:30:00 "Majestatic plural" was developed in late antiquity by the romans. Not an useful reading of we/us in the Pentatheuc
All well and good that you've eloquently stated these explanations of the Old Testament, and I appreciate your scholarly work. In this light, I was wondering about any "ultimate truth" posited for the New Testament. In other words, the whole biblical structure is weak in my mind (and also based upon my own study). So why is your website cheering people to worship Jesus ? Or does the NT stand on its own ? BTW, I have no problem worshiping an "abstract creator of the universe" independent of the bible.
There is only Christ and Anti-Christ.
@@watermelonlalala Yes, we know that in your head, the world is a very narrow place with extremely limited options. Thankfully, we don't have to be stuck there if we don't want to.
If there's only Christ and the anti Christ.
You must know it all
You don't need the Bible.
The volume is way too low in this.
Oh, the volume is WAY too low!
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Glad it’s not just me. I was afraid my headphones broke!
I'm confused. So is this mentioned in Bible or in Ugarit texts that Yahwe got the Israel and other sons of God got other nations?
Fascinating. Some real insight into the origins of our religious approach to being-in-the world that is rich and makes sense (more sense than the official Catechism - LOL).
I thought Pele played football for Brazil, when I was a kid in the 60s/70s.
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I'm tempted to donate some money to these people so that they can afford more buttons.
Hot damn there is nothing more cringey than someone taking over 5 minutes to presume to lecture the lecturer 🤦♀️
The most important key to survival was to know the weather patterns. But how to remember them? Stories and symbolism. Most of the gods represent a certain time. They didn't think there was a real entity that controlled the weather. Well, maybe the common folks but not the seers, shamans, priests etc. The Bible is esoteric and without the keys you will be lost in literal interpretation forever. It was designed that way.
is this lecturer different ? like similar but skinny
The royal plural is referencing & including, speaking for, all royalty. So if God used "we", it would mean the god speaking was speaking for all the gods.
In the Tanach it states God is prince and prince is King..I think it's a reference that is connected with the angels, the arch angels especially. As we know the Tanach also states that in the last days Michael will take his stand. Kabbalists believe this is a reference showing Michael and the angels without free will. As a right hand, Michael will naturally do what El elohim wants. The right hand is connected to one body of the God. In other words a Kabbalists is going to tell you elohim is apart of a unit. "Hear O Yisrael your God is one..the one here in Hebrew is said by Orthodox Jews as to mean "unit" rather than the numeral one like we understand.
The angels are known to "carry" El elohim, the God of gods. Also in the book of Daniel, Daniel calls Shaddai "The God of gods", I.e The God of angels.
Tell him to button up
Great 👍
I was wondering what bible translation he was using. It has all of the original names in the text.
It's called Names of God translation
It is time for believers worldwide to WAKE UP, get serious about reading the WORD, obeying what we read and STOP putting our trust in man!
Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his arm, and whose heart turns away from Yahweh"(Jeremiah 17:5)
We have been LIED TO in Churches about the Name above all names. Our Creator has a Name - YAHWEH and He put His Name upon His one and only begotten Son - YAHSHUA.
Be on guard before Him and obey His voice. Do not rebel against Him, for He is not going to pardon your transgression, for My Name is in Him." (Exodus 23:21)
We have been LIED TO about the SABBATHS of Yahweh.
Also the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants, all who guard the Shabbath, and not profane it, and hold fast to My Covenant - them I shall bring to My qodesh mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer." (Isaiah 56:6-7)
We Have been LIED TO about the COMMANDS of Yahweh.
And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His Commands. The one who says, 'I know Him,' and does not guard His Commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Elohim has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. (1 John 2:3-5)
It is time to PRAY for an opening of BLINDED EYES to understand His loving Covenant to ISRAEL, who we MUST be GRAFTED IN TO to become the children of Yah! It's time to shelve our learning inherited from "the whore" and become as little children to allow the Spirit of Yah to re-instruct us in the TRUTH!
Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become as little children, you shall by no means enter into the reign of the shamayim." (Matthew 18:3)
It's time to CLEAN UP our act and to cease wallowing in the abominations and lusts of the world!
Come out from among them and be separate, says יהוה, and do not touch what is unclean, and I shall receive you." (2 Corinthians 6:17)
A total enslavement is coming very very soon. You want Truth with Scripture go to 2besaved dot com.
@@2besavedcom-7 is this the interpretation of man? I guess I can’t trust it.
@@leahestey - Not sure what you're referring to in your post ma'am... If you're suggesting that a recommendation to read the Word and obey it is the "interpretation of man," then maybe you DO need to read your Bible more ;)
@@2besavedcom-7 But you're a human being like the rest of us, so why should we put our trust in what you say here?
An excellent lecture. Thank you.
please turn up the volume...cha cha cha...
These speakers are very brainy but not good with mics.
Enjoyed this offering
Geez that commenter from 1:40:00 to 1:47:00 was insufferable! I know this is 6 years old, but well done handling that Leandro. Eloah is used multiple times in the Tanakh, Duet 32:15; 17 for example
2:46 Really?
should the person you looked at be giving the presentation?
I like points of views.
for read speeches I got to politicians.
I will bid you a good day sir
Paganism evolving into modern religions. God works in mysterious ways. lol
Abraham from the middle of the second millennium BCE (or even before according to some chronology of the Bible around 1900 BCE) meeting with the king of Philistines is an anachronism....We know that the Philistines originates from the sea people who conquered the land only around 1200 BCE....
Can I teach how a powerpoint presentation should be like ?
The only good powerpoint presentation....
You can once you improve that grammar 👌👌
Why would the Hawaiians sacrifice to a long-retired Football player?
How does one distinguish between gods to know which are true or not?
Curious that one remark about "well educated" women possibly believing in non-Christian god figure(s) with an implied assumption other religions are somehow primitive, i.e. do not belong in the modern age. I liked the response
Your heart tells you what's right eventually. Not everyone is seeking most people accept their native tradition without ever seriously looking into the man discrepancies but in my humble opinion in every culture there will always be people bold enough to look behind the veil of their own beliefs to see whose there. Such people people along are the one's to whom "the Gods come".
What need have I to summon Hellenes and Hebrews as witnesses of this? There exists no man who does not stretch out his hands towards the heavens when he prays; and whether he swears by one god or several, if he has any notion at all of the divine, he turns heavenward. And it was very natural that men should feel thus. For since they observed that in what concerns the heavenly bodies there is no increase or diminution or mutability, and that they do not suffer any unregulated influence, but their movement is harmonious and their arrangement in concert; and that the illuminations of the moon are regulated, and that the risings and settings of the sun are regularly defined, and always at regularly defined seasons, they naturally conceived that the heaven is a god and the throne of a god. For a being of that sort, since it is not subject to increase by addition, or to diminution by subtraction, and is stationed beyond all change due to alteration and mutability, is free from decay and generation, and inasmuch as it is immortal by nature and indestructible, it is pure from every sort of stain. Eternal and ever in movement, as we see, it travels in a circuit about the great Creator, whether it be impelled by a nobler and more divine soul that dwells therein, just as, I mean, our bodies are by the soul in us, or having received its motion from God Himself, it wheels in its boundless circuit, in an unceasing and eternal career.
~ Emperor Flavius Claudius Julianus
that's not what henotheism is. Henotheism is the doctrine of emanation. It can be monotheist, polytheist, or even atheist. It is basically the doctrine that all of reality, including the gods come fro ma single source. Some ontologies put a god in that position, in which case it does match up with what you're describing of a "top god in charge", but it doesn't have to be that way. The Greek prefix "henos" means like, "oneness", "merged" not "exclusive", "only" if that makes any sense.
Also monolarty is pure evil and responsible for the worst kind of colonialism which destroyed the world.
These so called "male prostitutes" are actually the holy priestesses of Lion Walking Qadesh. They may have had ritual sex, but calling them "prostitutes" is homophobic. The temple of Holy Mother Cybele lies in ruins at the Vatican to this day due to Christian violence. They took her pines, they took her lions, they smashed their violets. They burned the works of Sappho, Heraclitus, Porphyry. They murdered Hypatia.
The catholic saint thing is very true and resembles how the Basilides Christians of Alexandria. They were henotheists with a deity-like figure for each day.
These questioners are aggravating
Why in God's name does he have his shirt open? Is this 1976?
Where can I find a list of all 70 sons of El and His consort??
Ugaritic text KTU1.4 vi 46
Baal is not necessarily the pagan god. Baal means "Lord" in Hebrew, and it is also the word for husband.
Its not 300 m....33kodi...doesnt mean that
If you practice polytheism, you certainly can't get bored.
Pele Pronounce = Pay Lay Native American Tribes in New Mexico USA have a pagan god called Kokopelli. There are all sorts of articles on line that explain Kokopelli but what I heard is that Kokopelli dances across the sky helping the sun to rise and set. I haven't seen that definition on line yet. Scientists and the Europeans are rather ethnocentric and generally assume they know more that the indigenous. The truth of the matter is that the Catholic Church is not any more Christian than the "pagans" were. In times past most people had symbols and used symbolism... I have to admit that most Americans do not understand symbolism on any level. All cultures have their stories. The stories vary but they all contain elements of human thought, behavior, culture, consequences, and rewards. The ancients understood this. It may have all begun to teach their young lessons of values, and the natural world. It is no different really than telling a small child that Santa won't bring you any presents if you are bad. If you are good Santa will come to our house and leave you presents. And boy or boy... has our culture gone crazy with this story!.. There is nothing that people won't do to fulfill this "Materialistic" fantasy. LOL ... Santa Clause is a symbol of sharing, giving to others and good behavior.
Sure wish the volume was louder for the video.
This is so weird a gay dude Mormon center gives these amazing discourses on such fun topics
Called Pele's hair, it is from thin, grass like volcanic fibers that float in the air after an eruption 🌋
Only 10% of population of Hawaii are indigenous Hawaiian or other Pacific Islanders. Why the comment that people saying it is Pele looked like middle class white? Sounds kind of racist to me.
My dudes got the longest hair I ever seen
Oh, look, what a surprise! A comment section full of god-botherers with their fingers in their ears yelling, "LALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"
Paganism was around thousands of years before old or new testaments were created.
Christian festivals were all originally pagan, Saturnalia became Christmas Eostre became Easter ,
Noah story was created thousands of years before the bible copied it .
Monotheism began with the paleolithic ( stone age) hunter gatherers
They left offerings for the moon..
By the time Late neolithic people began farming,
the sun became their primary God.
Simple practical Gods ,
Over the centuries stories were created and recreated
Including the god creating humans and everything else story
Thats all the bible is, stories , fantasy,
Not to be taken seriously...
Excellent! Thank you!
Volume is horrible
I am happy some things are better pragmatic.
38:00 The God of the Bible is a Triune God: one God, 3 Persons, not multiple gods.
Which doesn't have much to do with the passages he's discussing here, as that's a later, Christian doctrine, not part of the Hebrew scriptures, which, as he discusses in detail, show clear remnants of a polytheistic culture.
In any case, the "triune god" concept doesn't make much sense to a lot of people not inclined to simply take doctrine at face value, and comes across as a sort of polytheism in drag. Surely you've heard this point before, even if it doesn't occur to you as a totally obvious point.
@@yohei72 God as Trinity is in the OT as well, it's not a later doctrine.
As a projection of christian theological assumptions would easily demonstrate
@@GabrielaLtc Got any support for that assertion?
@@yohei72 for example, right at the beginning of Genesis you find God the Father, God the Son - Word of God, God the Holy Spirit.
It might be instructive sometimes to focus on the meta data rather than the content.
Were cannanites the sea people?
No. It's not entirely clear who the Sea Peoples were but the came to the Levant rather than from it. However, the Canaanites WERE a seagoing people and were later called the Phoenicians.
@@neilcreamer8207 Phoenicians came WITH the Sea Peoples. They're one of the groups that came (probably from Cyprus) during the Bronze Age Collapse and replaced or conquered the Canaanites living along the coastal plains. However, they were also the group that assimilated fastest such that every trace of their foreign heritage had disappeared in a century. They then became, ironically, the "model" Canaanites of the Iron Age.
A similar thing happened with the Israeli tribe of Dan, which probably came from Greece and were closely related to the Philistines but are remembered (thanks to Samson) as the bulwark against said Philistines. Also somewhat ironic because their Judge is basically Hercules.
No the seapeople where the Palistu , they came by bout from the Agean sea , ( from Greek) and we know that because they left greek pottery behind , they seattled in citystate in Askelon and Gad , and todays Gaza and they were the worshipper of the bull ( the minotaur) and other greek gods and godesses but was also syncronised with the Canananites Ba'al worshipp ( Ba'al is also a bull a development of Egyptian worshipp of their bullgod Apsis , and they are vegetibilian gods , they die and resuarects like the seasons ) the Palistu is the people we today call the palestines( not the socalled Palestines that are still in Palestine today mind you , they are Arabic speaking Syrian semites) the real palestines are already driven out from Palestine by the semitic arabs to Libanon 3 000 000 real philistines/ Palistu is thrown out by the Arabic speaking semitic syrians that are 2000 000 that are still in Palestine, of them are 10 000 real palestines, the rest are Arabic speaking semitic syrians, and of them 200 000 are in alignment with Hamas , radical Muslims that are dead set one obliterating Israel , and are in collaboration with hiz bollah ( Iran) and AQAP (al Quida in Saudiarabia and Yemen and Sudan). Of the 200 000 Arabic speaking radical Muslims in Gaza and other parts of Palestine 30 000 are insurgents they are from Libanon , Saudiarabie, Irak , and Jordanien , they are arabs and they are illegal immigrants they have no work permitte or residential permitte , they are only in Palestine to keep the conflict going and thats because AQAP that are wahabist salafists togheter with Iran and Irak and Syria and Jordan wants to take down Israel in Iran they have even put up a clock that are ticking down the time for Israels excistence its the gouverment of Irans undertaking and they have publicly declared that Israel will be gone in 25 years approximately 2040 the clock is ticking down for Israel . So the Iranien gouverment is doing everything in its power except attacking Israel openly because Israels air defence and missil system is far to advanced for Iran to beat , so instead Iran is developing nuclear weapons. That is however a dangerous path that can force the FN to intervene in the similar way as they did in Iraq.
As the Bible says Satin and his demonic spirits know the Bible word for word. From the beginning of time till the end. Just keep in mind GOD made man and from his rib he made woman. That’s why man is 1 rub less then a woman. Don’t ever doubt GODS word of how he feels about men laying with men or woman with woman. GOD see’s everything we do in the dark, he knows are hearts. He loves everyone, he just doesn’t love our sinful nature! Ask him in your heart, to forgive your sin and we can all join him when he comes to take us home. May GOD’S love and forgiveness give you pease and comfort.
Men have the same number of ribs as women.
Still doesn’t make it false though. That’s the truth
What a stupid comment.
R C It’s not stupid. Even pagan religions have truth to them. Every religion has some truth to it
@@jacobpinto5175 The biases and claims to the only god that Christianity has is explained here...one cannot claim there is one god ,then teach trinity...just bunk.
@@jacobpinto5175 Could you provide one example?
Cricket Cricket. Tumbleweed.
What about Yah and Yah the Egyptian lunar idol, or the text of Amenemope etc?
It is time for believers worldwide to WAKE UP, get serious about reading the WORD, obeying what we read and STOP putting our trust in man!
Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his arm, and whose heart turns away from Yahweh"(Jeremiah 17:5)
We have been LIED TO in Churches about the Name above all names. Our Creator has a Name - YAHWEH and He put His Name upon His one and only begotten Son - YAHSHUA.
Be on guard before Him and obey His voice. Do not rebel against Him, for He is not going to pardon your transgression, for My Name is in Him." (Exodus 23:21)
We have been LIED TO about the SABBATHS of Yahweh.
Also the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants, all who guard the Shabbath, and not profane it, and hold fast to My Covenant - them I shall bring to My qodesh mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer." (Isaiah 56:6-7)
We Have been LIED TO about the COMMANDS of Yahweh.
And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His Commands. The one who says, 'I know Him,' and does not guard His Commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Elohim has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. (1 John 2:3-5)
It is time to PRAY for an opening of BLINDED EYES to understand His loving Covenant to ISRAEL, who we MUST be GRAFTED IN TO to become the children of Yah! It's time to shelve our learning inherited from "the whore" and become as little children to allow the Spirit of Yah to re-instruct us in the TRUTH!
Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become as little children, you shall by no means enter into the reign of the shamayim." (Matthew 18:3)
It's time to CLEAN UP our act and to cease wallowing in the abominations and lusts of the world!
Come out from among them and be separate, says יהוה, and do not touch what is unclean, and I shall receive you." (2 Corinthians 6:17)
A total enslavement is coming very very soon. You want Truth with Scripture go to 2besaved dot com.
@@2besavedcom-7 strange that you quote Exodus saying we've been lied to... The Exodus was clearly a fictional story, and is just frickin crazy. That journey could take 2 weeks walking, and with the numbers used, the people who started would be finished before the last started.
When an atheist hears Bible quotes as proof of the Bible, it just sounds ridiculous.
A book written in Aramaic, then Greek, then Latin, then Old English.... its a game of telephone. How about using some evidence to prove your position instead?
Just for fun, I challenge you to find the Friendly Atheist here on RUclips. He goes through Exodus chapter by chapter, and its pretty hilarious, even if you are a hard core Christian.
@@SeattleDinghyer - Thanks buddy, I've watched a number of his videos (among other atheists) and still find their religion harder to swallow than the Bible :)
Don't you find it amazing that, as you say, the Bible has passed through 5-6 languages over 3K years, and when they dig up some scrolls that are 2.5K years old, they still match almost word for word?
There's an excellent doco that discusses the Exodus journey and concludes that the journey is feasible, not only that, but the papers done on Ark feasibility studies can account for way more than the genus species to all fit on board etc.
I agree that it is good to get both sides of an issue, which is why I watch many opposing atheistic docos, and I suggest you do the same and read the scientific papers that cover the "difficult" Biblical accounts of history.
Dig, dig, dig...
@F.W. well, there are similarities between those pagan documents and the bible. I just thought they could be discussed in the video
Thank you 😁
Kind of wide of the mark at the intro
Baal didn't become a demon. Christians, who could not understand Hebrew, coopted scripture they could not understand. Beelzebub only means "Lord of the Flies", and doesn't refer to the god Baal. It refers to, at various times, other gods who were given burnt flesh offerings, like Molech, or gods that ruled the land of the dead. ( Because offerings & corpses attracted flies.)
Good evening I like your comment and also your way of thinking. Where did you get this from? Please respond. I have been a Christian(not faithful) for over 20yrs and I'm starting to question things about my faith.
@@russell311000 It's very sad to hear. Christianity is the true religion. What are the things you are questioning?
@The 4 Gospels Commentary I'm sorry, but Christianity can not be the true religion. Exodus 21:7, When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. What GOD will see human beings as property.
@@russell311000 Christianity is without a doubt a true religion, as can be proven from its external signs, such as miracles. There are many explanations for slavery in the Bible - in some cases it would be better translated as servitude instead of slavery, or slaves were war prisoners who would otherwise be killed, etc...
@@CatholicSedevacantist How about the raping of young girls. Hagar was counted as property to Abraham. She had no say about sleeping with him. She was property.
There's no reason to think sons of God mean angels.
I think kabbalah witches go around promoting angels where they don't exist.
It's not ' a lot of names ' but many names sir.
The lectures are so much better now without the audience. Good lord they're awful.
OH ABRAHAM such a connection to his heart for God like David’s heart ❤️ flaws and all
Paganism in the Bible, You Think. ? It's time we grew up and out of religion and practice and become the Soul, Spirit, Bein Etc... that we truly are
I speak Hebrew. Ish (Person) is singular while Anashim (People) is plural. Davar (Thing) is singular while Dvarim (Things) is plural. Therefore it makes a lot of sense that El is singular and Elohim is plural. All plurals in Hebrew end with "-im". Felt kinda bad I wasn't there to help clarify that.
A lot of, _my God is bigger than your God._ We were still in our childhood, intellectually. Yet people still want to cling to these Gods like they’re real. Or, at least, like one of them is.
Actually they all had one god
Creator
The sun
Its amazing how religious leaders , sages ....do classify you as either soohisticated or primitive based on their own inventions and reasonings 😂😂😂😂😂
Not understanding religion at all
So... did anybody else crack up laughing at the comment about ELVIS being venerated as a god in some cultures?
Is that true ?
@@kevcaratacus9428 Can you imagine? Oy! 😆
@@glenn-younger I guess it wouldn't surprise me tbh 😮 lol
What's the deal with this lecturer?
Asherah is Istarte is Easter. Just different languages -- all mean "star". All are the Mother Goddess.
Just like Zeus and Deus!
That is a commonly held belief that is incorrect. The true etymology of the word Easter is it coming from the name of the Anglo-Saxon goddess of the dawn Eostre. Or at least that is what Pastor John has espoused in the past. The Northumbrians had a hand in this.
No. Easter came from Old English Eoster which came from Old German Ostar, both mean East/Dawn and are supposedly the name of the German goddess of Spring/rebirth (according to Anglo-Saxon historian Bede and Jacob Grimm)
They didnt know the language
They were in babylon
That people were from judea
Not israel
Poor people don't wanna live the current life much long 'cos their lives are hard.
Well how will these people wanna live eternal life?
Jack Bezzo may want to live another 10000 years though ...
Yave that was there in canaan
Judea was an egyption colony
Israel was hitites assirian indoeuropean
pagan is true, 1 god 1 goddess, 369=love. the meaning to life is love
For 2 generetions at least
A son of god would not be an angel.
VERY GOOD Subject, The Speaker brings up some really interesting topics, and I live on Maui, in Hawaii, and appreciate his interest in Pele and Hawaiian Beliefs. I am a 'New Resident' and learning about the History & Traditions of these Wonderful Islands. Pele is considered the Goddess of both Destruction & Creation, so She could be an ancient extension of the Hindu Goddess Shiva, as the origins of the Polynesians Peoples could be connected to India.? Also, Catholics DO NOT Worship Saints nor Statues, this is not accurate as they 'Venerate' Saints and Statues/Images' of Jesus, Mary Joseph, etc... BUT NO Images or Statues of God are worshipped. In Christian theology, the Holy Trinity consists of three hypostases: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. The three are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature"...But All 1 God.
Ao the image of Jesus is not god?
Keith, just to share... I live in Italy, which is definitely Catholic country. There are many practicing Catholics who worship La Madonna (Virgin Mary) as well as their patron Saint. It might not be preached from the altar, but it is definitely done in the home. I can't speak for other countries, of course. I am only sharing what goes on in my region in Northern Italy. When I've asked, "Why?", because I wanted to understand, the answer often falls in the category of, "I don't want to bother God with my problems." In essence, they are humanizing something as HUGE as an Omnipotent Presence to manageable proportions for them. In short, humanity has taken and still takes baby steps in their journey to understand that which is infinitely greater than their human self.
@@CarlosMunoz-pc2ky
I don't think christians believe statues or idols of jesus christ are real gods.
Many pagans don't think idol & images are gods too.
They use images as a thing to concentrate on God's holiness, existance.. .etc.
But abrahamic people love to say pagans are idolaters
meanwhile christians kiss the cross, pray in front of an image of 'crucifixion of christ' AND muslims kiss & circumambulate the black stone, thats assumed as the holy mension of allah sent from heaven.
Religious bias are weird.
Every religion thinks theirs is the only true one.
@@allahjr.8522 Nobody knows nothing until everything happens.
But what I understand is that the making of wooden or clay dolls that are given wind by mouth (de os) were called gods because they were used to goad people into worshipping them and to prosper forward spreading their wooden or clay cult.
As the doll is given life by the boy the boy is given life by his apple iDoll plus.
Goths are like this flowing wind jetting out of the mouth of God arriving on longboats to rape/love and pillage/thunder you into capitalism and western culture.
They even cross you with the heavy book they throw that only the worthy can wield like if it was mjolnir.
Only catholics know What? Jesus and the saints Look like
I have Tarot cards 🎴 in this field. 🎉