@@Christian_Ada1 IKR how can you take these people seriously when they have this bad of taste in movies. Nothing about The Batman works, its just awful from beginning to end, and I like Pattinson.
The first time I saw original first Star Wars movie I was in elementary school in 1977. There were huge theaters at the time with velvet curtains and a piano or organ for intermissions. After two years organs and pianos were being phased out. I was in awe with the original Star Wars movie. In my elementary school we were learning how to use stop motion to produce a short science fiction film. We were assigned a team to write the script, draw out all scenes, customs, lighting, props and music. Looking back I took that class for granted but it changed the way I watched anything recorded, it made me analytical and artistic experimental approaches. I truly thought that Luke's land-speeder hovering was real not special effects. This was before I understood the magic of mirrors on film. There were some shots that were done so well that even now in some older unrevised versions of the first movie still hold up as creative seamless special effects. The acting was great, as the time period didn't have the sophistication of 21st century tech for special effects. It's a great science fiction movie. It inspired me and most importantly as most science fiction movies deal with political systems and the unending battle between freedom and slavery done but with imagination. I also loved Logan's Run, Soylent Green, Alien, Westworld, Looker, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Escape from the Planet of the Apes and many more. I appreciate you sharing your personal favorites! I wish you well!
@@tomrenegadefilms What I personally loved about Citizen Kane is that after I watched it my reaction was that it was... a decent movie. But then I realized that the fact a movie made in 1941 holds up as "a decent movie" in this era is absolutely astonishing.
@Firrox That says a lot about both filmmaking now and filmmaking back then right? Maybe we're going backwards because we have too many fancy cameras and software...
@@tomrenegadefilms I don't feel like we're going backwards, but I do feel like "Big Hollywood" has found a formula that works with the masses and is scared to stray from its cash cow. Fortunately it's good to see studios like A24 taking big risks with strange and interesting ideas. Also, all the low hanging fruit of how to manipulate cameras and lighting have already been discovered, so everything kind of feels like either a remix or copycat.
I've got plenty of room for improvement for sure, but if you're genuinely worried that me making this little breakdown spells a dark future for filmmaking, then my suggestion would be to make some videos yourself in a way that you think is better - lead by example 👍🏼
These mega production blockbusters like Star Wars and Batman have little to offer the average young filmmaker whose budget is a tiny speck compared to these films. Also, Twelve Angry Men is essentially a TV play brought to the screen. If movies are supposed to be moving pictures, I don't think this film should be a prime example. Fine acting and story line and competent direction, however.
Yeah I get we don't have the budgets - I honestly don't have much to work with myself currently. But I do think the principles of what the filmmakers did with these movies is something anyone can learn from, which is why I focused on that rather than all the tech 👍🏼
Here's a Top TEN to Study in chronological order - eight of them are Criterion Collection titles: - VAMPYR (1932) - THE BATTLE OF ALGIERS (1966) - MARKETA LAZAROVA (1967) - THE DEVILS (1971) - THE MAN WHO FELL TO EARTH (1976) - BRAZIL (1985) - RAN (1985) - BLUE VELVET (1986) - THE THIN RED LINE (1998) - CLOUD ATLAS (2012)
Instead of Signs, I recommend budding SF filmmakers to check out the ORIGINAL 50s versions of The Thing and Invasion of the Body Snatchers, plus It Came From Outer Space, The Day the Earth Stood Still, and all three Quatermass films.
Signs? I was not expecting that one. Dont get me wrong. I love Signs. I love the performances. I love the pace and simplistic way it creates tension. But more people trash the ending of Signs than anything in Vertigo.
A man with a movie camera from 1920s you can literally learn 100 camera angle tricks in the first 20 minutes of the movie casablanca for dialogue all about eve for screen writing don't recommend 200 million dollar movie to new filmaker
Casablanca is on my watchlist 👍🏼 I do think though that we can learn good principles from any level of film (such as dirtying the frame) even if it had a big budget, as these sorts of techniques are accessible to anyone.
@@tomrenegadefilms I wouldn't go about spreading information like this to 13k people so far on your sponsored RUclips video if you haven't even seen Casablanca dude. I get it, that's fine you haven't seen it: why are you trying to mentor people on how to swim when you haven't even stepped in a pool yet?
@MichaelKerouac Because (to use your analogy) if Casablanca is the pool, then all other movies make up the entire ocean with all it's wonders. Sure, there's some rubbish floating about in there that won't come close to measuring up to classic films - but to insist that the only way someone can learn to swim is in that one specific pool seems a little narrow minded to me 🤷🏼♂️ I'm sure it's a nice pool, but there are other ways too 👍🏼
Ah I see! Well the most recent work I've done is up on my website and the early stuff would be the early videos on this channel. I was making videos before that too, but I wouldn't have said I was really trying to learn anything about "filmmaking" until maybe the last couple of years
Sorry but for me these are all second class movies compared to “Blade Runner” “Citizen Cane” and “Apocalypses Now (Redux)” the cinematography in those three movies is just insane.
@@sole__doubt For me it was just too childish. So much unwarranted emotional angst, especially from emo Batman himself. It overwhelmingly feels like a high schoolers attempt at serious cinema, and it fails at it. Like so many other movies these days, a movie written by and for a YA audience that think they are producing adult masterpieces. These people just need more life experience. The worst part about though is that (while not nearly as good) it's a blatant rip-off of Se7en.
I'd agree it was a bit overly emo and angsty - but I don’t think many would question that it looks fantastic, which is the point I was trying to make :)
@@tomrenegadefilms I would readily agree on that part, the visuals are outstanding. That seems to be a common thing these days: the art style and visuals are sublime, but the writing and story are just so lacking. It's a weird dichotomy.
They haven't asked for a plug or paid me anything - but I am a subscriber myself and they award points to people who bring in more subscribers, which eventually can lead to sponsorships in the future. So it's more like an affiliate link I guess. But I only promote it because I get so much out of it myself, I really rate it.
The Batman may have some good visuals, but the film was boring, underwhelming, and dark (tonally & literally). Zoe Kravitz is drop dead gorgeous, but that couldn't carry or save the film.
Your list is mediocre at best… Including a Star Wars movie as a movie that needs to be seen Tells people you’re far from being a cinephile!. Here are the five movies real filmmakers need to be watching… There will be blood, the Godfather, A Clockwork Orange, taxi driver and goodfellas.
Not claiming to be a cinephile mate, just sharing some things I gained from watching those films. If you don't like the list that's fine, you could always make your own video if you feel so strongly 👌🏼
There’s nothing mediocre about this list. It’s a great list. He’s not even saying these are the best movies; he’s these movies could improve filmmakers in many ways. What’s your problem?
@@tomrenegadefilms I think we’re more interested in saying what’s in mind at the first glance than reading things over again to better understand what’s before us. This is art: we can’t have a homogeneous appreciation to everything. If someone sends me a list of 5 films and asks me to watch them as a filmmaker, there’s probably something in each of them the person wants me to see. Someone could also send me a completely different list of 5 movies. These new 5 movies could also have something the person wants me to see. The cinematography in the Batman is great and I think it’s one of the few superhero films with a fantastic writing. “A new hope” introduced so many news things to cinema especially the sci-fi genre. An emerging filmmaker has a lot of things to learn from that movie. Vertigo is considered by some to their favourite Hitchcock film. It offers so much insight for filmmakers. “12 Angry Men” is a movie that blew me away. It’s not easy to capture an audience’s attention for a long time without “colour” cinematography and great locations but 12 angry man just does it. It teaches aspiring filmmakers how to steal and maintain an audience’s attention in a one-location film.
You lost all credibility from the beginning for the fact that you have ZOE KRAVITZ in your picture for anything worthwhile. The second mistake is the fact that you're using "the batman (really?)" as a must-watch??? Listen - the Geekdom and adolescent tastes of the Internet have RUINED, completely ANNIHILATED the last 20 years of movies. It isn't the MCU that devolved storytelling, I blame nerd culture, and the rise of "CONTENT," "CONTENT CREATORS," "INFLUENCERS (and the snake oil they peddle for cash)," and the DIGITAL REVOLUTION that has created the horrors of bad movie making (Anyone can now make something, and the problem is that any has!).
If you felt that way just seeing the thumbnail, and then still clicked on the video to write this comment, then I'm not sure you're someone who can be reasoned with - so in response I will simply say, ok 👍🏼
@@tomrenegadefilms My friend, that's a bit of a cop out response and I know you can do better than that. "I didn't want you to view this anyways?" "I know you are but what am I?" Really? My comment at worse, doesn't elicit a response. At best, is meant for some serious soul searching. Posit this: Nerd culture is the product of late capitalism, designed to infantalize the consumer as a means of non-aggressive control. And consider this: As a society, we are kept in a state of arrested development by dominant forces in order to keep us more pliant. We are made passionate about the things that occupied us as children as a means of drawing our attentions away from the things we really should be invested in, inequality, corruption, etc. And somebody somewhere will want to soften the edges of important stories so that toys and lunch boxes will be sold. Batman, and Zoe Kravitz (nor channon Tatum) et. al. ain't it.
To be clear, I like Vertigo a lot - I just think it's flawed in some of the writing 😅
What are the names of your movies?
@@happysaffa8871 They're written in the video my dude :)
The Batman scene where Riddler attacks the lawyer in the car is shot mostly out of focus and it really stands out in a good way. Totally works
They use depth of field so well in that movie!
😂 😂😂😂😂😂
@@Christian_Ada1 IKR how can you take these people seriously when they have this bad of taste in movies. Nothing about The Batman works, its just awful from beginning to end, and I like Pattinson.
@@sole__doubt The Batman has story problems, especially in the 3rd act. But the cinematography is absolutely gorgeous
You can also learn a lot from “Rear Window”, “Lawrence of Arabia”, “Barry Lyndon” and of course “Citizen Kane”.
I love Rear Window - the other 2 I am still to see - I particularly want to watch Lawrence of Arabia soon
@@tomrenegadefilms My recommendation is to watch “Citizen Kane” first, followed by “Lawrence of Arabia” and then “Barry Lyndon”.
@@RamZar50 Thanks for the recommendations :)
The first time I saw original first Star Wars movie I was in elementary school in 1977. There were huge theaters at the time with velvet curtains and a piano or organ for intermissions. After two years organs and pianos were being phased out.
I was in awe with the original Star Wars movie. In my elementary school we were learning how to use stop motion to produce a short science fiction film. We were assigned a team to write the script, draw out all scenes, customs, lighting, props and music. Looking back I took that class for granted but it changed the way I watched anything recorded, it made me analytical and artistic experimental approaches. I truly thought that Luke's land-speeder hovering was real not special effects. This was before I understood the magic of mirrors on film. There were some shots that were done so well that even now in some older unrevised versions of the first movie still hold up as creative seamless special effects. The acting was great, as the time period didn't have the sophistication of 21st century tech for special effects. It's a great science fiction movie. It inspired me and most importantly as most science fiction movies deal with political systems and the unending battle between freedom and slavery done but with imagination. I also loved Logan's Run, Soylent Green, Alien, Westworld, Looker, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Escape from the Planet of the Apes and many more. I appreciate you sharing your personal favorites! I wish you well!
Thanks for your lovely comment, I appreciate it 🙂
None of them would have been the same without Citizen Kane.
I'm ashamed to say I have never actually seen Citizen Kane - it is on my watchlist though!
@@tomrenegadefilms
Back to the drawing board then! You can't be a teacher when you haven't even begun to master the basics!!
@@tomrenegadefilms What I personally loved about Citizen Kane is that after I watched it my reaction was that it was... a decent movie. But then I realized that the fact a movie made in 1941 holds up as "a decent movie" in this era is absolutely astonishing.
@Firrox That says a lot about both filmmaking now and filmmaking back then right? Maybe we're going backwards because we have too many fancy cameras and software...
@@tomrenegadefilms I don't feel like we're going backwards, but I do feel like "Big Hollywood" has found a formula that works with the masses and is scared to stray from its cash cow. Fortunately it's good to see studios like A24 taking big risks with strange and interesting ideas.
Also, all the low hanging fruit of how to manipulate cameras and lighting have already been discovered, so everything kind of feels like either a remix or copycat.
this honestly deserves more views. The Batman is my favorite film of all time and it is the prime factor of my love for cinematography
The Batman's visuals blew me away when I saw it in the cinema. You can tell a lot of care and effort went into it.
😂
If this guy is the future of movie making I guess we're in for some dark times indeed.
I've got plenty of room for improvement for sure, but if you're genuinely worried that me making this little breakdown spells a dark future for filmmaking, then my suggestion would be to make some videos yourself in a way that you think is better - lead by example 👍🏼
You should watch more classics.
I think the title of this video has every word wrong. maybe even 'five'.
On the "To-Do" list 👍🏼
Wow, The Batman is one of only a very few movies I've ever not finished. I think I got about 15 minutes in and hated it.
Worth a watch for the visuals even if the movie itself isn't your thing 👌🏼
These mega production blockbusters like Star Wars and Batman have little to offer the average young filmmaker whose budget is a tiny speck compared to these films. Also, Twelve Angry Men is essentially a TV play brought to the screen. If movies are supposed to be moving pictures, I don't think this film should be a prime example. Fine acting and story line and competent direction, however.
Yeah I get we don't have the budgets - I honestly don't have much to work with myself currently. But I do think the principles of what the filmmakers did with these movies is something anyone can learn from, which is why I focused on that rather than all the tech 👍🏼
@@tomrenegadefilms fair enough
Here's a Top TEN to Study in chronological order - eight of them are Criterion Collection titles:
- VAMPYR (1932)
- THE BATTLE OF ALGIERS (1966)
- MARKETA LAZAROVA (1967)
- THE DEVILS (1971)
- THE MAN WHO FELL TO EARTH (1976)
- BRAZIL (1985)
- RAN (1985)
- BLUE VELVET (1986)
- THE THIN RED LINE (1998)
- CLOUD ATLAS (2012)
Instead of Signs, I recommend budding SF filmmakers to check out the ORIGINAL 50s versions of The Thing and Invasion of the Body Snatchers, plus It Came From Outer Space, The Day the Earth Stood Still, and all three Quatermass films.
More for my watchlist 👌🏼
Signs? I was not expecting that one.
Dont get me wrong. I love Signs. I love the performances. I love the pace and simplistic way it creates tension. But more people trash the ending of Signs than anything in Vertigo.
Really? That surprises me. I've always quite liked the ending, but could just be me I guess 🤷🏼♂️
@@tomrenegadefilms I've always loved the whole movie. It's easily M Nights second best
@@LukeLovesRose What's your #1?
@@tomrenegadefilms The Sixth Sense. The Visit though is 3rd on my list.
@@tomrenegadefilms For science fiction fans, the ending was a cliche they'd previously seen before, never done particularly well.
hmmm
The Batman also shot on broken lenses to mirror the grungy and fractured state of Gotham.
Big fan of the lens choices for this movie. Just bought myself an old Helios 44-2 to experiment with...
Food for thought: The cinematography in the two Dune Films are very good too imo.
Loved the cinematography in the Dune movies. Greig Fraser is one of my favourite Cinematographers.
A man with a movie camera from 1920s you can literally learn 100 camera angle tricks in the first 20 minutes of the movie casablanca for dialogue all about eve for screen writing don't recommend 200 million dollar movie to new filmaker
I have no idea what you just said.
Casablanca is on my watchlist 👍🏼 I do think though that we can learn good principles from any level of film (such as dirtying the frame) even if it had a big budget, as these sorts of techniques are accessible to anyone.
@@digitalvictory8266 Have some curiosity. Try. You're a human being goddammit.
@@tomrenegadefilms I wouldn't go about spreading information like this to 13k people so far on your sponsored RUclips video if you haven't even seen Casablanca dude. I get it, that's fine you haven't seen it: why are you trying to mentor people on how to swim when you haven't even stepped in a pool yet?
@MichaelKerouac Because (to use your analogy) if Casablanca is the pool, then all other movies make up the entire ocean with all it's wonders. Sure, there's some rubbish floating about in there that won't come close to measuring up to classic films - but to insist that the only way someone can learn to swim is in that one specific pool seems a little narrow minded to me 🤷🏼♂️ I'm sure it's a nice pool, but there are other ways too 👍🏼
Very interesting video, I really enjoyed it.
Do you have a link for your film making? Seeing these movies made you a better film maker, what were your bad ones and which are your improved movies?
Ah I see! Well the most recent work I've done is up on my website and the early stuff would be the early videos on this channel. I was making videos before that too, but I wouldn't have said I was really trying to learn anything about "filmmaking" until maybe the last couple of years
@@tomrenegadefilms well, I wish you all the best.
@@happysaffa8871 Thank you!
Sorry but for me these are all second class movies compared to “Blade Runner” “Citizen Cane” and “Apocalypses Now (Redux)” the cinematography in those three movies is just insane.
Blade Runner is amazing, I'm wanting to do a video imitating that style at some point...
Uf!
You had me until The Batman...
For real its basically unwatchable its so dark and depressing. It makes Nolans version look like the one from the 60s with Adam West.
@@sole__doubt For me it was just too childish. So much unwarranted emotional angst, especially from emo Batman himself. It overwhelmingly feels like a high schoolers attempt at serious cinema, and it fails at it. Like so many other movies these days, a movie written by and for a YA audience that think they are producing adult masterpieces. These people just need more life experience.
The worst part about though is that (while not nearly as good) it's a blatant rip-off of Se7en.
I'd agree it was a bit overly emo and angsty - but I don’t think many would question that it looks fantastic, which is the point I was trying to make :)
@@tomrenegadefilms I would readily agree on that part, the visuals are outstanding. That seems to be a common thing these days: the art style and visuals are sublime, but the writing and story are just so lacking. It's a weird dichotomy.
They aren't sponsoring the video? It sure seems like they are....
They haven't asked for a plug or paid me anything - but I am a subscriber myself and they award points to people who bring in more subscribers, which eventually can lead to sponsorships in the future. So it's more like an affiliate link I guess. But I only promote it because I get so much out of it myself, I really rate it.
The Batman may have some good visuals, but the film was boring, underwhelming, and dark (tonally & literally). Zoe Kravitz is drop dead gorgeous, but that couldn't carry or save the film.
lol
Random ass list
It's a mixed bag for sure
Your list is mediocre at best… Including a Star Wars movie as a movie that needs to be seen Tells people you’re far from being a cinephile!. Here are the five movies real filmmakers need to be watching… There will be blood, the Godfather, A Clockwork Orange, taxi driver and goodfellas.
Not claiming to be a cinephile mate, just sharing some things I gained from watching those films. If you don't like the list that's fine, you could always make your own video if you feel so strongly 👌🏼
There’s nothing mediocre about this list. It’s a great list. He’s not even saying these are the best movies; he’s these movies could improve filmmakers in many ways.
What’s your problem?
@asarechronicles4983 I'm glad someone understands 😂 I've had so much backlash for this video it's unreal! Well said sir.
@@tomrenegadefilms I think we’re more interested in saying what’s in mind at the first glance than reading things over again to better understand what’s before us. This is art: we can’t have a homogeneous appreciation to everything. If someone sends me a list of 5 films and asks me to watch them as a filmmaker, there’s probably something in each of them the person wants me to see. Someone could also send me a completely different list of 5 movies. These new 5 movies could also have something the person wants me to see. The cinematography in the Batman is great and I think it’s one of the few superhero films with a fantastic writing. “A new hope” introduced so many news things to cinema especially the sci-fi genre. An emerging filmmaker has a lot of things to learn from that movie. Vertigo is considered by some to their favourite Hitchcock film. It offers so much insight for filmmakers. “12 Angry Men” is a movie that blew me away. It’s not easy to capture an audience’s attention for a long time without “colour” cinematography and great locations but 12 angry man just does it. It teaches aspiring filmmakers how to steal and maintain an audience’s attention in a one-location film.
You lost all credibility from the beginning for the fact that you have ZOE KRAVITZ in your picture for anything worthwhile. The second mistake is the fact that you're using "the batman (really?)" as a must-watch??? Listen - the Geekdom and adolescent tastes of the Internet have RUINED, completely ANNIHILATED the last 20 years of movies. It isn't the MCU that devolved storytelling, I blame nerd culture, and the rise of "CONTENT," "CONTENT CREATORS," "INFLUENCERS (and the snake oil they peddle for cash)," and the DIGITAL REVOLUTION that has created the horrors of bad movie making (Anyone can now make something, and the problem is that any has!).
If you felt that way just seeing the thumbnail, and then still clicked on the video to write this comment, then I'm not sure you're someone who can be reasoned with - so in response I will simply say, ok 👍🏼
@@tomrenegadefilms My friend, that's a bit of a cop out response and I know you can do better than that. "I didn't want you to view this anyways?" "I know you are but what am I?" Really? My comment at worse, doesn't elicit a response. At best, is meant for some serious soul searching. Posit this: Nerd culture is the product of late capitalism, designed to infantalize the consumer as a means of non-aggressive control. And consider this: As a society, we are kept in a state of arrested development by dominant forces in order to keep us more pliant. We are made passionate about the things that occupied us as children as a means of drawing our attentions away from the things we really should be invested in, inequality, corruption, etc. And somebody somewhere will want to soften the edges of important stories so that toys and lunch boxes will be sold. Batman, and Zoe Kravitz (nor channon Tatum) et. al. ain't it.