I was running this saw for about 2 hours at about a 30-50% duty cycle ruclips.net/user/postUgkxfQm1wmg0ItKDLavxj1nXtQY9HP7EF504 and it did a great job. I used the lever for the built in sharpener to clear chip buildup out more than to actually sharpen the chain. It managed to cut some hardwood stumps much larger than it's size without bothering the neighbors with hours of 2 stroke noise.
I brought my Stihl "Ms. 460" inside to watch this video with me. She never even glanced at the computer, trashed the place and threw up in my trashcan. That's why she sleeps in the garage.
The greebling mentioned at 11:46 is actually a felling sight, so you can align your notch and back-cuts so that the tree falls in the direction you want.
If you spot a full sheet of those "security" strips, swipe 'em. In bulk won't set off the detectors and you can prank people for MONTHS with a full swiped sheet. My record while working retail was stuffing one in the general managers lunchbox, tucked up under the zipper. Took him the better half of a month to figure it out, though pegged me with it immediately.
Oh man, a friend of mine told me he did this to his boss way back. Said they were in home depot together, back when they used to have the tool coral and he managed to swipe a sheet of them and said he must slipped a dozen of them in his boss's cuffs and hood and pockets and whatnot and then showed himself out to the truck. Said his boss was as red as beet when he finally made it through security a half hour later!
He pegged you? Is HR okay with this? Or were you wanting the pegging? Can't even pull a decent prank on someone these days without getting your bum hole pegged the eff out. Cleaning it out for you, inside out.
Metric adjustable wrench used to work but some come with us standard and metric scale printed on them, But alas we still have a board stretcher next to the left hand screwdriver!
Came here to post these details, yes, the gunning lines are universal and possibly OSHA required on all modern chainsaws. Chain catcher serves two purposes: first, obvs, is to keep a stray chain from severing yer olde carotid should the sprocket decide to fuck off. Second, less obviously, is to keep same chain from damaging all of the stuff inside of the clutch cover, including the case itself. The way it works is that when the rotating body that is the chain comes loose, it folds over the sacrificial aluminum tab that is the chain catcher and gives up most of its inertia. This chews hell out of that tiny little bit of beer can but does little or no damage to chain, saw, or user. Replace the thing when you think to. It'll catch a few chains before giving up the ghost. Don't tempt the fates over a 2 dollar part.
I spent 10 years as an arborist. The price of chains and bars is the real profit eater. In which case, feed that bad boy some Earl, and I mean lots of Earl... Used to fine tune the oil to run out at the exact same time as the fuel (makes sense to fill up both tanks at the same time)... But you wanna talk about a hot supper, we used to mulch the trailers down with 32" bars on Stihl MS-460s... Wide open throttle chopping through 8' wide, 3' deep sections of packed 3-5" sticks and leaves for an hour at a time, with no end in sight. Used to run 40:1 oil in those saws and tune the high rpm for it so we didn't smoke the pistons running lean...
Yeah, as someone who lacks personal preservation enough to climb up into trees to cut them down from top to ground, this chainsaw is attractive to me so that I can use it for the high stuff that's hard to reach. I'd be fine switching to a gas powered for the big limbs and trunk once I've worked down below the canopy
That broken wire you were talking about was never attached. I looked back and zoomed in when you first took it apart and that wire was sticking straight out. Before you ever removed the motor. or even touched the motor.
23:26 Bottom-left corner. It seems there is another cut cable that was bent toward the other side of the conection. They dont need them, they dont connect them?
Laimis B excellent point. But I guess AvE, just like all of us who bumblefuck around in the shop would just assume it was our fault. I mean I would for sure because of my long history of fuckin' shit up.
This mixing compound is called masterbatch and it's usually 1-2% concentration. I used to work for a company making them, worse colours were black (made out of soot) and red. When we were producing red everything was covered in red - probably even worse than black :)
But wouldn't a large company like Milwaukee, which relies on it's image and brand recognition have a lot of oversight on stuff like this? I can't see someone this big not rejecting materials which will impact brand recognition and image(which is a big reason why people buy and overpay for Milwaukee). Also, whoever produced it would have to eat the costs in order to keep Milwaukee as a long term account. I wonder if they just make one run of an item like this or do they manufacture more of the same design when low in stock or just do a slight redesign to get people to buy the new one.
@5:23 I work in plastic injection molding as a process tech. I have to mix up red color pellets into natural glass filled nylon all the time. Red can be hard to get right sometime and it is true molders will cheap out on the color, and try to use less resulting in lighter parts, and in worse case scenarios the color will be uneven. My guess is that between 2011 and now they changed suppliers on their color concentrate and the new one is not an perfect match to the old one. just my $.02.
I was thinking the same thing. I have experience in all types of food production and when working with things like candies, frostings, fondant, cakes and cookies, it is very hard to get a good red. A few ppm too little and you have pink or orange, a few ppm too much and you start to go black or brown. It's also the same with florescence. Reds take a lot more dye and a lot more energy input to give the same vibrancy.
I don't know, but my Makita gear is getting to be the same way. Growing variability in the new tools when it comes to exactly what color the corporate Theft-Deterrence Teal actually comes out. Some of that is down to base plastic, for sure, but I think more if it is coming down to contract manufacturing overseas. The little accessories (flashlights, usb chargers, etc) are the worst, understandably, but the tools are getting iffy too.
What it ultimately comes down to is value engineering. Procurement changes suppliers to a place that is 1% cheaper and 100% worse. I see it and fight it everyday at work (I'm a development engineer), but they always win
Hey AvE, just had a coffee maker go out. Checked the thermal fuses and sure enough that was the problem. Glad I've watched your stuff otherwise that would've been $150 down the tube instead of $3 for the fuse. Cheers my man!
$150 for a coffee maker? I've been using the same $20 retail Proctor Silex drip coffee maker since 2006. I got it out of the dumpster on a $60,000 USD bathroom remodel job. It was still in the box, looked brand new and worked. The carafe tends to dribble which is why I think the home owner threw it out. 12 years from a free cheapo coffee maker, when is life better, eh?
Similar here. Had a ShopVac quit working. Took the whole thing apart to see what was up. Buried on the back side of the motor was a thermal fuse. Darn annoying. Could have been on the front where it was easy to get to. Anyway, got it fixed up with a bit of old plumbing solder and it's back working. Good thing I saw the old vid so I had a thought that might be cause. Score one more for AvE!
Hey Ave, idea for your next BOLTR, you thought hilti was an expensive drill? Check out Stryker drills. I work in orthopedic surgery and we use these things all day long screwing wrists and ankles back together when the CA glue and ductape doesn't work. Would be interesting to see the inwards on the outwards.
That line up the middle of the saw isn't as pointless as you think. It's for us dull woodcutters to aim the tree we're cutting at our friends. When the saw is in the deepest point in the gob, if the gob is flat, the tree should go where the line points.
The split line on the case @ 11:57 is a sighting line the felling direction. Have the saw on it's side for cutting the hinge and you get the direction of fall. Not for aesthetics. Keep all the AWESOME videos coming! Thank you!
This guy Is fuckin hilarious and smart as hell favorite part of the video “Take your tool off the pegboard and the hook comes with it” so true 😂😂😂 great tool review
Yup, especially with the lead-free stuff. But there are some modern alloys that aren't as horrible as the lead-free stuff from the turn of the century.
It could also to help the conformal coating process. They've really gone to town on it, and those legs are the only areas where there would be an overhang/void that risk not being easily coated.
"Loggers" LOL!! Obviously from a guy what asshumes his term is the only term what jerks in the woods, and then defended said asshumption are fellatio experts.
That 'greebling' at 11:49 may be felling sights? when you've got your bar sat back in your scarf/ face cut for felling, that line is a general guide for where your stick will hit the ground.
@@dewboy13 Yeah, without taking into it a bunch of other factors for which why the stick will fall I guess hey?!?! Eg: Like the trees initial lean, which side of the tree weighs the most, bends, etc...
You can hardly be blamed for breaking that wire. That soldered in ribbon is a big no no, it will just never last, I learnt the hard way. the conductors are too thin to stand on their own, so they rely on the fact that they are bonded in a row of other connectors to survive.
The rare red North American beaver is so tasty, I enjoy it almost every day and night. If she was only a squirter like my ex I swear she would be my white friggen whale... Love them red headed Beavers....mmmm....tasty.
That pew pew "greebling" you mention @11:45 is meant to be felling sights, perpendicular to the bar. So you can see which way the tree should fall when you cut out the wedge. Every decent saw has those lines. Not that anyone would use this thing for doing any real work :)
The irony of using a chainsaw to unbox a chainsaw. Did I hear that right (more than once) $600?!?! You can buy a nice Husqvarna or Stihl for that much. Either of which would turn the Milwaukee into plastic chips. Why TF would someone spend $600 on that?
Still about 456 dollars. I got my husqvarna 455 rancher used for 250 but even if you bought new I'm sure it'll still smoke the Milwaukee at the price point
Look now, I ain't much of one to argue with the uncle, but it looks to me like the wires mightn't be as bumbled as you think. I've seen many places where one of those ribbon cables was used (because that's what they had in the factory, or something); five wires on hand, only three needed. So unless you're sure it's needed, the wires look more like they might be extra and were cut before they were soldered to the board and then potted in epoxy. I'd be more likely to try it before going rocket surgeon on the brain box so you don't get a zombie from a previously working tool. But then again, rocket surgery is fun, just point it towards the neighbor's moon.
Collin The EE I had the same thought. I only noticed the one broken white wire but it looks like a pretty clean cut. If the 5 wire ribbon was cheaper vs the 4 for some odd reason you know they would buy the cheapest Chinesium available that would do the job. On a side note I hope he has a look into the 12.0 High Output vs the 9.0
When I started watching this channel I didn't expect legitimate knowledge to spill from my phone, but I was pleasantly surprised and realize more and more that he really knows his shit
The bar oil pump is a very simple design. The end of the gear shaft by the hoses is at an angle. As it rotates against a high spot of the housing it will move in and out as the high spot traces a line around the angle at the end of the shaft with the help of a spring to hold it in contact. As this shaft rotates and moves in and out it pumps the oil through like a piston. That is why the gear on the shaft is so long. A worm gear is used to get a large reduction in RPM of the pump shaft.
I bought my Mum a Bosch easyCut and she loves it, then her neighbor saw her using it and went out to get one, so Bosch owes you a box of Caramello Koalas. Gives the old girls the power of a Sawsall with the weight of a electric carving knife.
A more honest and entertaining man there is not. Love your videos AvE, me and my roommate are big fans and quote you all the time. Would don a shirt proudly. Keep choochin
got a 97 12 valve and yes that is mostly true, though I also had a 96 Chevy that wasn't any better, the plastics were just as cheap, the later dash 98-03 in the dodges I hear is a real pos with cracking and shit falling off
Please do a field test with those things, a typical battery pack has a power density around 140wh/kg, while gasoline has a power density of 12337wh/kg, to carry enough battery packs to replace that 2 gallon jug in terms of pure power would weigh in at a massive 1106 pounds, sure electrical motors are vastly more efficient than gasoline powered, but still, DO A PROPER FIELD TEST.
dthrckt That’s it really, the key thing about battery tools is convenience and lack of (relative) reliance on a source of power. An electric chainsaw has neither of these advantages.
I cut firewood with a Makita with 16 inch bar. Cutting l6 in diameter logs it consumes about 500 watt hours for a good size pickup load. This is probably about equivalent of a tank of gas on a small saw. The Makita uses two (2) hand tool batteries. They are all the same size and weight and range from 54 Wh (3Ah) to 106 Wh (6Wh) batteries. Two Makita LXT's weigh 2.7 lbs whereas one Milwaukee weighs 3.7 lbs for the same 216 Wh. I normally take two sets of 6 Ah and one set of 5 Ah to cut wood. That's a total of 616 watt hours. I always have some battery left and when I recharge my energy meter read 0.5 to 0.6 kilowatts. I have a bunch of 4's and 3's Ah batteries that I could take along for more cutting, but I have never needed more than 600 Wh.
Makita [Japan] supplies the space magic tech. China supplies the Chinesium for assembly. Makita does put the rotor on the outside and the stator on the inside. They are the only one's with an invisible gear box. Sounds like something they got from area 51. It's kinda like Velco. Had to be aliens. I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens.
Honestly wouldn't be surprised if gas chain saw engines have energy efficiency of 10percent or less. Cars nowadays have like 25-32 percent effeciency, and lawn equipment and chainsaw engines aren't geared to that kind of effeciency. The engines are small and have to put out more power so you lose effeciency.
@@whydoineedmynamehi6772 more power doesn't mean you have to sacrifice efficiency. The problem is they have to run with air cooling which drastically effects the temp of the cooling reservoir vs the power reservoir or heat reservoir. Meaning you thermal efficiency on a given day will be effected by the outside temp. Something like a gas cooled or liquid cooled engine would help increase efficiency and power but drastically increase weight complexity and cost.
I use pegboard to hang tools, but I hang them up on the right size bolts for the pegboard holes. Different lengths of bolts to match the tool hanging on it. I know it's dorky, but my tool wall above my main work bench looks better than the dewalt display case at the big box tool store.
You see silastic around the legs of mosfets on power amplifiers for speakers, as well. I always assume its for some kind of insulation, not necessarily strain relief. At those levels of power, I'm guessing there might be an arcing issue when debris gets in it.
As always, thank you for a fine video! I'm not sure if someone already answered this, but the pump looks almost identical to what you'll find in most Stihl gasoline saws. It is a tiny piston pump that operates on a cam. Also, most good gasoline chainsaws run at least 12,000 rpm, so your 7,000 rpm estimate is probably both accurate and much more modest than it sounds.
That goop on the MOSFET legs resembles the latex mask I have used many a time on conformal-coated boards. The idea is that you mask the stuff you don't want to be packed full of urethane for whatever reason. The mask dries to the consistency of a rubber band. When you want access to whatever you masked, either just after coating or at some later time, you grab the rubber with a needle-nose pliers, breaking right through the thin coating of fairly-brittle urethane, and pop it right outta there. The idea might just be to make the MOSFETS more easily replaceable. If the goop is silicone rather than latex, then it might just be that the greater heat tolerance of the silicone serves to protect the urethane from scorching, since those metal legs would tend to conduct a lot of heat. That would likely improve on the long-term integrity of the moisture barrier. Depends just how hot things are getting, which I do not know.
Hey AvE, Great review. I'm hoping they bring out a top handle version soon, it'd revolutionise my work at festivals building stages and venues from green timber, at the moment i have to offer up each piece and hold it in place while starting my two-smoke saw, make the cut and then affix the piece, its a 3 handed job at best, an M18 top handle would be a real treat. FYI, those lines on the saw are your felling sights, they're a really rather important feature that you'll find on all professional chainsaws. ;-) Keep up the good work pal Matt
Your chain speed calculation is not too far off for a chainsaw, in fact many pro saws run quite a bit faster than you calculated. For example a Stihl MS261 has a maximum chain speed of 5300 feet per minute and a chain speed of 3600 feet per minute at 9500 rpm where it produces max power. You were also correct about the chain oil pump they use a half moon lobed cam to pump the chain oil. I also think a review of a professional chainsaw that is powered by dinosaur squeezings instead of angry pixies is in order.
I got my hands on a Stihl 261 for $650 Canadian pesos which is the same price range, hard to go with that electric thing when you are in pro gas chainsaw range.
@@Grakoham yikes, every tool store I've seen is 530 with a 12.0 and 9.0, I dont think I've ever bought a tool from home depot. Most fastener stores have free shipping to.
+Grahan K they don't have the extra battery promo going on still? Weird... meh go to Construcion Fasteners, they ship free $530 with extra 9.0 battery.
@@Eluderatnight, Jimmy's Tractor, has a video of his son's powerwheels jeep hopped up on some more voltage. I don't remember exactly how much he was putting to it. He'll probably respond and let us know.
Okay so I've watched about three of your videos now, it's raining outside, and I subscribed and hit the notification button. I like the way you think my friend! And you cuss like I do even better
I would bet the silicone on the switching MOSFETs is for keeping the legs from being shorted out with metal shavings when This Old Tony eventually uses it to carve his portrait in a chunk of aluminum.
Don’t know about that. Got a Husky 359 sitting on the bench that’s only a few years old but already needs a new top end. But my grandpa’s old Stihl 041 that was bought new over 40 years ago still runs like a champ and hasn’t needed anything more than a carb overhaul in all that time.
Dip into your retirement and BOLTR a Makita XCU03 or XCU04. It's completely different inside. Direct drive, variable oil pump, leverage on bar afixation. It seems pretty skookum. It's brushless motor is designed with the rotor on the outside and the stator on the inside. The permanent magnets are mounted on the rotor like a bell or cup and the rotor rotates around the internal windings. This makes the rotor necessity larger and further from the center shaft producing much higher inertia resulting in smooth, stable operation, even at low speeds. It is also more efficient and shorter than inner rotor motors. This type motor produced higher torque since it increases the “lever arm” effect and other magnetic advantages I don't understand. The large rotor also means it can accommodate more winding poles, which further increases magnetic flux. Outer rotor motors are shorter than similar inner rotor motors since the same magnetic surface area forces inner rotors to be longer since they’re on a smaller diameter. Makita’s motor doesn’t protrude outwards like the Milwaukee. This compact size and high torque makes outer rotors great for applications with varying loads like a chainsaw sees. It's high inertia helps to “push through” load fluctuations and produces high starting torque. Because they use outer rotor design Makita’s saw can be direct drive. No gears also increases efficiency while simplifying things.
Amen to the pegboard, some wood and some screws/nails are all you need, frikking cheap, throw in a sharpie if you want the fancy version with tool outlines
I bought the DeWalt Flexvolt saw, and it appears they’ve fixed the bar attachment fuckery. It no longer has that silly torque limiter. It’s actually been a super kickass chainsaw and no problems with the bar whatsoever since they updated it. Only complaint about it i have is the oil cap leaks.
My Echo CS-400 is 13 years old. Its been a great tool. Love my Echo straight shaft trimmer. 3 Acres. Many trees cleared. No fireplace that im feeding for what thats worth.
For the uninitiated, I would love to see a comparison between these and an high end petroleum equivalent.. part for part... keep up the great work.. skucum as frig !
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I was running this saw for about 2 hours at about a 30-50% duty cycle ruclips.net/user/postUgkxfQm1wmg0ItKDLavxj1nXtQY9HP7EF504 and it did a great job. I used the lever for the built in sharpener to clear chip buildup out more than to actually sharpen the chain. It managed to cut some hardwood stumps much larger than it's size without bothering the neighbors with hours of 2 stroke noise.
save the stroke noise fer later
“Girthy, in my hand” *pauses
“I should be used to that”
God I love this channel
That's what she said
AvE is a living legend.
One of the very best
Don't know how I found this channel don't care I'm staying dirty or not it's staying
Most guys take off their socks to count to 20, but since I'm missing a toe, I got to drop my drawers.
You have a toe, in your drawers? EHEHEHEHEHEHEHE
@@johnw.8877 Yeah, his BIG toe.
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Well, not THAT big...
Please clean your tabletop... please do
Fucking A mate ill have to remember that lol
I’ve never heard of this man before. But goddamn he is a national treasure
International treasure
I brought my Stihl "Ms. 460" inside to watch this video with me. She never even glanced at the computer, trashed the place and threw up in my trashcan. That's why she sleeps in the garage.
She aimed for the trash can? Sounds like a very refined lady in my book!
Opening a Milwaukee chainsaw with a borscht mini chainsaw. You are lucky the spacetime continuum didn't implode.
Did ave just refer to his wife as the “budget troll”...
Yes
Yes , yes he did. LoL
Lmao
Wouldn’t be the first time.
Or you referred to his budget troll as his wife
The greebling mentioned at 11:46 is actually a felling sight, so you can align your notch and back-cuts so that the tree falls in the direction you want.
Little chainsaw unboxing a bigger chainsaw? I love it!
Justin T - Be careful I think that is how black holes are made.
How the heck did you comment this 6 days ago??
yea is this video a reupload?
@@Grakoham, Patreon viewers get to see it early.
The real secret: he's gonna use the normal sized one to open a biggun.
Unboxing a Chainsaw with a Chainsaw: Welcome to Canada.
Makes sense. I cut open scissor packages with scissors.
If you spot a full sheet of those "security" strips, swipe 'em. In bulk won't set off the detectors and you can prank people for MONTHS with a full swiped sheet. My record while working retail was stuffing one in the general managers lunchbox, tucked up under the zipper. Took him the better half of a month to figure it out, though pegged me with it immediately.
Hope you didn't AvE, the guy is trying to get you busted. They WILL go off, of course.
Take a random item and drop it in your buddy's sweatshirt hood watch the hilarity ensue when he walks past the detectors
Oh man, a friend of mine told me he did this to his boss way back. Said they were in home depot together, back when they used to have the tool coral and he managed to swipe a sheet of them and said he must slipped a dozen of them in his boss's cuffs and hood and pockets and whatnot and then showed himself out to the truck. Said his boss was as red as beet when he finally made it through security a half hour later!
I’ve done this, you find the coat rack and load everyone up, then be positioned for cheap thrills
He pegged you? Is HR okay with this? Or were you wanting the pegging? Can't even pull a decent prank on someone these days without getting your bum hole pegged the eff out. Cleaning it out for you, inside out.
“Buddy’s gotta sneak into your house to clear your browser history for ya!” Hahah great!
Good thing about the battery operated ones is that you can send the apprentice to the shop for a gallon jug of charge to refill the batteries.
We like the box full of 3/4 holes 😂😂😂
Worked till we had one smart ass grab a box of 3/4 o'letts lmao
Cup of steam also works great
Metric adjustable wrench used to work but some come with us standard and metric scale printed on them, But alas we still have a board stretcher next to the left hand screwdriver!
Next to the left handed screwdrivers.
The line across the body is used as a sight as it is 90degres to the chain, and the little metal tab is the chain arrest if it throws the chain.
When he called it 'greebling', I couldnt help but wonder if he's been watching more Adam Savage kit bashing lol
Beat me to it, but that is exactly what it is. On a Stihl, they usually paint them black to make them stand out more.
Came here to post these details, yes, the gunning lines are universal and possibly OSHA required on all modern chainsaws. Chain catcher serves two purposes: first, obvs, is to keep a stray chain from severing yer olde carotid should the sprocket decide to fuck off. Second, less obviously, is to keep same chain from damaging all of the stuff inside of the clutch cover, including the case itself. The way it works is that when the rotating body that is the chain comes loose, it folds over the sacrificial aluminum tab that is the chain catcher and gives up most of its inertia. This chews hell out of that tiny little bit of beer can but does little or no damage to chain, saw, or user. Replace the thing when you think to. It'll catch a few chains before giving up the ghost. Don't tempt the fates over a 2 dollar part.
hyperbole doesn't always translate well in blind text, just sayin
60FPS! I'm now watching twice as much AvE for the same price!
Measured by bitrate you're only watching 150% as much as you were before, and audio wise is also only 100% what it was before.
AvE is what keep all tool Brand’s think twice before finalising their products today. 🙏🏻
And then one day the camera falls over showing the messy desk is just a prop in an almost empty warehouse.
makita headquarters*
dude opens a chainsaw with a chainsaw I am so happy right now. Long live the mini saw!
Nearly cannibalism
I spent 10 years as an arborist. The price of chains and bars is the real profit eater. In which case, feed that bad boy some Earl, and I mean lots of Earl... Used to fine tune the oil to run out at the exact same time as the fuel (makes sense to fill up both tanks at the same time)... But you wanna talk about a hot supper, we used to mulch the trailers down with 32" bars on Stihl MS-460s... Wide open throttle chopping through 8' wide, 3' deep sections of packed 3-5" sticks and leaves for an hour at a time, with no end in sight. Used to run 40:1 oil in those saws and tune the high rpm for it so we didn't smoke the pistons running lean...
First thing I do as well, turn the oil screw up, oil is cheap. Set too low at the factory, ostensibly for "environmental" reasons.
This reads like a Jerry Reed song.
Yeah, as someone who lacks personal preservation enough to climb up into trees to cut them down from top to ground, this chainsaw is attractive to me so that I can use it for the high stuff that's hard to reach. I'd be fine switching to a gas powered for the big limbs and trunk once I've worked down below the canopy
Why aren’t you an arborist anymore?
i mix mine at 32:1 I would rather clean a spark plug (not that I ever have to do it ) then replace a cylinder and piston
"Fortunately, empties are legal tender here in Canada" lmao!!!
That broken wire you were talking about was never attached. I looked back and zoomed in when you first took it apart and that wire was sticking straight out. Before you ever removed the motor. or even touched the motor.
So did I. Broken wires don't turn back like that, and there would be bare conductors sticking out on one end or the other.
23:26 Bottom-left corner. It seems there is another cut cable that was bent toward the other side of the conection. They dont need them, they dont connect them?
I noticed there was a second wire cut as well. I’m guessing they used ribbon cable they had rather than something specific made for the job.
Also, it's not the first-last wire in the ribbon. Ya can't break mid-wires prematurely.
Laimis B excellent point. But I guess AvE, just like all of us who bumblefuck around in the shop would just assume it was our fault. I mean I would for sure because of my long history of fuckin' shit up.
I work in the injection molding industry, the odd colour could be from the lack of mixing the compound and concentrate together good and proper.
This mixing compound is called masterbatch and it's usually 1-2% concentration. I used to work for a company making them, worse colours were black (made out of soot) and red. When we were producing red everything was covered in red - probably even worse than black :)
But wouldn't a large company like Milwaukee, which relies on it's image and brand recognition have a lot of oversight on stuff like this? I can't see someone this big not rejecting materials which will impact brand recognition and image(which is a big reason why people buy and overpay for Milwaukee). Also, whoever produced it would have to eat the costs in order to keep Milwaukee as a long term account. I wonder if they just make one run of an item like this or do they manufacture more of the same design when low in stock or just do a slight redesign to get people to buy the new one.
it seems to be a large lot issue... I got two new brushless drills and they are lighter red also
...or the marketing pencil necks decided a lighter red would help sales. Perhaps the darker red reminds people of blood...not good for a chainsaw 😁
I have a portaband from a few years ago. Same color.
50 seconds of pure unboxing!
I have watched some other reviews of this saw but your box opening skills take it to the next level.
Clear your buddy’s browser! Lol classic.
And don't forget to take notes...
@5:23 I work in plastic injection molding as a process tech. I have to mix up red color pellets into natural glass filled nylon all the time. Red can be hard to get right sometime and it is true molders will cheap out on the color, and try to use less resulting in lighter parts, and in worse case scenarios the color will be uneven. My guess is that between 2011 and now they changed suppliers on their color concentrate and the new one is not an perfect match to the old one. just my $.02.
I was thinking the same thing. I have experience in all types of food production and when working with things like candies, frostings, fondant, cakes and cookies, it is very hard to get a good red. A few ppm too little and you have pink or orange, a few ppm too much and you start to go black or brown.
It's also the same with florescence. Reds take a lot more dye and a lot more energy input to give the same vibrancy.
I don't know, but my Makita gear is getting to be the same way. Growing variability in the new tools when it comes to exactly what color the corporate Theft-Deterrence Teal actually comes out. Some of that is down to base plastic, for sure, but I think more if it is coming down to contract manufacturing overseas. The little accessories (flashlights, usb chargers, etc) are the worst, understandably, but the tools are getting iffy too.
What it ultimately comes down to is value engineering. Procurement changes suppliers to a place that is 1% cheaper and 100% worse. I see it and fight it everyday at work (I'm a development engineer), but they always win
Also possible its a marketeer special and they decided a minor color to the brand identity change could result in more sales somehow
This. Unless its a premix and its color matched to a sample its a fucking raging nightmare to get it exactly right at the time of production.
Hey AvE, just had a coffee maker go out. Checked the thermal fuses and sure enough that was the problem. Glad I've watched your stuff otherwise that would've been $150 down the tube instead of $3 for the fuse. Cheers my man!
$150 for a coffee maker? I've been using the same $20 retail Proctor Silex drip coffee maker since 2006. I got it out of the dumpster on a $60,000 USD bathroom remodel job. It was still in the box, looked brand new and worked. The carafe tends to dribble which is why I think the home owner threw it out. 12 years from a free cheapo coffee maker, when is life better, eh?
if the thermal fuse went it went for a reason
Similar here. Had a ShopVac quit working. Took the whole thing apart to see what was up. Buried on the back side of the motor was a thermal fuse. Darn annoying. Could have been on the front where it was easy to get to. Anyway, got it fixed up with a bit of old plumbing solder and it's back working. Good thing I saw the old vid so I had a thought that might be cause. Score one more for AvE!
AVE should put out a rap album with his linguistic prowess.
Spit my coffee out when you started to talk about the peg board hook coming out of the peg board! -So true!
Hey Ave, idea for your next BOLTR, you thought hilti was an expensive drill? Check out Stryker drills. I work in orthopedic surgery and we use these things all day long screwing wrists and ankles back together when the CA glue and ductape doesn't work. Would be interesting to see the inwards on the outwards.
That line up the middle of the saw isn't as pointless as you think. It's for us dull woodcutters to aim the tree we're cutting at our friends. When the saw is in the deepest point in the gob, if the gob is flat, the tree should go where the line points.
The split line on the case @ 11:57 is a sighting line the felling direction. Have the saw on it's side for cutting the hinge and you get the direction of fall. Not for aesthetics.
Keep all the AWESOME videos coming! Thank you!
This guy Is fuckin hilarious and smart as hell favorite part of the video “Take your tool off the pegboard and the hook comes with it” so true 😂😂😂 great tool review
Gunk on legs will be so the leads don't vibrate - you could hit a resonance that would stress the joint
Yup, especially with the lead-free stuff. But there are some modern alloys that aren't as horrible as the lead-free stuff from the turn of the century.
It could also to help the conformal coating process. They've really gone to town on it, and those legs are the only areas where there would be an overhang/void that risk not being easily coated.
They build these for casuals. No self respecting lumbar jack would be caught dead with one of those.
"Loggers" LOL!! Obviously from a guy what asshumes his term is the only term what jerks in the woods, and then defended said asshumption are fellatio experts.
Trey Nathaniel A lumbar jack? Is that like a jack that you put under your car seat to get comfortable?
You just had to call it a blade.
Don't ever call this thing a blade! Anyway this here blade...
I'm the farthest thing from a lumberjack (knuckle buster by trade) and I cringe every time I hear someone call it a blade
He did it on purpose.
Jesse Green ik
Is that the big blade or the little blades spinning around the big one?
That 'greebling' at 11:49 may be felling sights? when you've got your bar sat back in your scarf/ face cut for felling, that line is a general guide for where your stick will hit the ground.
Exactly. Most chainsaw do have this line.
Came here to say the same thing.
I almost understand what you are trying to convey...
*almost*...
It's a sight gauge basically. Gives you a general idea of the angle your cut is at. Then you can aim (in a perfect world) where the tree will fall.
@@dewboy13 Yeah, without taking into it a bunch of other factors for which why the stick will fall I guess hey?!?! Eg: Like the trees initial lean, which side of the tree weighs the most, bends, etc...
2:06 “The N-words were skookum”
lol that's what I kept hearing too...
Inwards
Send me the oil pump, I'll CT scan it and send it back with with 3D images!
Would you do that for other things ? Willing to pay
Sure, I couldn't accept payment though. It would be unethical in my position. I could do it for free if it is interesting enough.
@@secondamendmentFTW how can I contact you besides here?
Its probably just shaft with end ground to D shape, just like i found in husqvarna.
Search for valveless metering pump. This is what it is
Dad has peg board in his shop, sneeze in the same room and all the hooks fall out.
“Just flip this little switch and Bob’s your auntie.” LOL. “Don’t blow me in the doodle-do.” You’re hilarious!
You can hardly be blamed for breaking that wire. That soldered in ribbon is a big no no, it will just never last, I learnt the hard way. the conductors are too thin to stand on their own, so they rely on the fact that they are bonded in a row of other connectors to survive.
arcadeuk And, usually, proper strain relief and anchoring!
Bumblefuckery never looked so good in 60FPS.
mine automatically switched to 1080p! thats never happened before, even with ethernet.
AVE a red headed beaver is always better than a blonde one
Underated comment right here
The rare red North American beaver is so tasty, I enjoy it almost every day and night. If she was only a squirter like my ex I swear she would be my white friggen whale... Love them red headed Beavers....mmmm....tasty.
... and their fur is so soft that is doesn't poke you in the eyes
You're a red head arent you?!?!
Ginger beavers have no soul. I had one for a while and she ruined my life. The crazy tales aren't just bluster
Lol I lost it “stick a screw in there hang it up on the wall.... match your Milwaukee tattoo .”
That pew pew "greebling" you mention @11:45 is meant to be felling sights, perpendicular to the bar. So you can see which way the tree should fall when you cut out the wedge. Every decent saw has those lines.
Not that anyone would use this thing for doing any real work :)
The irony of using a chainsaw to unbox a chainsaw.
Did I hear that right (more than once) $600?!?! You can buy a nice Husqvarna or Stihl for that much. Either of which would turn the Milwaukee into plastic chips. Why TF would someone spend $600 on that?
Electric, so no gas, instant start-up, low maintance. Also you pay for the Name Brand.
$600 Canadian. That's like $32 American. :)
Still about 456 dollars. I got my husqvarna 455 rancher used for 250 but even if you bought new I'm sure it'll still smoke the Milwaukee at the price point
@@chasmosaurus3, well in that case...... lol
its $399 at home depot. its for the people that are obsessed with Milwaukee and buy every tool they put out.
Look now, I ain't much of one to argue with the uncle, but it looks to me like the wires mightn't be as bumbled as you think. I've seen many places where one of those ribbon cables was used (because that's what they had in the factory, or something); five wires on hand, only three needed. So unless you're sure it's needed, the wires look more like they might be extra and were cut before they were soldered to the board and then potted in epoxy. I'd be more likely to try it before going rocket surgeon on the brain box so you don't get a zombie from a previously working tool. But then again, rocket surgery is fun, just point it towards the neighbor's moon.
Collin The EE I had the same thought. I only noticed the one broken white wire but it looks like a pretty clean cut. If the 5 wire ribbon was cheaper vs the 4 for some odd reason you know they would buy the cheapest Chinesium available that would do the job. On a side note I hope he has a look into the 12.0 High Output vs the 9.0
Collin The EE one way to tell is follow the wire to the other end and see if it’s connected to anything before digging in the potting compound
Collin The EE I was thinking the same thing but I’m watching on a large format phone so I can’t really see for sure.
To be honest, I was in a similar situation. My main clue was the clean cut.
I'd definitely follow it... But I cut my comment short somewhere between "paperback" and "manuscript".
When I started watching this channel I didn't expect legitimate knowledge to spill from my phone, but I was pleasantly surprised and realize more and more that he really knows his shit
The sacred RUclips "unboxing" ritual baffles the Hell out of me. I am encouraged that at least one channel (i.e. this one) gets it right.
The bar oil pump is a very simple design. The end of the gear shaft by the hoses is at an angle. As it rotates against a high spot of the housing it will move in and out as the high spot traces a line around the angle at the end of the shaft with the help of a spring to hold it in contact. As this shaft rotates and moves in and out it pumps the oil through like a piston. That is why the gear on the shaft is so long. A worm gear is used to get a large reduction in RPM of the pump shaft.
I bought my Mum a Bosch easyCut and she loves it, then her neighbor saw her using it and went out to get one, so Bosch owes you a box of Caramello Koalas.
Gives the old girls the power of a Sawsall with the weight of a electric carving knife.
26:38, it happens to the best of us.
A more honest and entertaining man there is not. Love your videos AvE, me and my roommate are big fans and quote you all the time. Would don a shirt proudly. Keep choochin
I really only come here for the unboxing vids.
We need a montage.
Reminds me of a 5.9 dodge the motor is good and everything else is ready to fall apart from factory.
George & Sue the problem with a cummins is the dodge hugging it!!
@@Robert82 I couldn't say it better myself hahha
LMFAO!!!! it's the truth that hurts most when I look out at what I have parked next to the barn hahaha.
got a 97 12 valve and yes that is mostly true, though I also had a 96 Chevy that wasn't any better, the plastics were just as cheap, the later dash 98-03 in the dodges I hear is a real pos with cracking and shit falling off
***cough*** automatic transmission ***cough***
Please do a field test with those things, a typical battery pack has a power density around 140wh/kg, while gasoline has a power density of 12337wh/kg, to carry enough battery packs to replace that 2 gallon jug in terms of pure power would weigh in at a massive 1106 pounds, sure electrical motors are vastly more efficient than gasoline powered, but still, DO A PROPER FIELD TEST.
dthrckt That’s it really, the key thing about battery tools is convenience and lack of (relative) reliance on a source of power. An electric chainsaw has neither of these advantages.
I cut firewood with a Makita with 16 inch bar. Cutting l6 in diameter logs it consumes about 500 watt hours for a good size pickup load. This is probably about equivalent of a tank of gas on a small saw. The Makita uses two (2) hand tool batteries. They are all the same size and weight and range from 54 Wh (3Ah) to 106 Wh (6Wh) batteries. Two Makita LXT's weigh 2.7 lbs whereas one Milwaukee weighs 3.7 lbs for the same 216 Wh. I normally take two sets of 6 Ah and one set of 5 Ah to cut wood. That's a total of 616 watt hours. I always have some battery left and when I recharge my energy meter read 0.5 to 0.6 kilowatts. I have a bunch of 4's and 3's Ah batteries that I could take along for more cutting, but I have never needed more than 600 Wh.
Makita [Japan] supplies the space magic tech. China supplies the Chinesium for assembly.
Makita does put the rotor on the outside and the stator on the inside. They are the only one's with an invisible gear box. Sounds like something they got from area 51. It's kinda like Velco. Had to be aliens. I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens.
Honestly wouldn't be surprised if gas chain saw engines have energy efficiency of 10percent or less. Cars nowadays have like 25-32 percent effeciency, and lawn equipment and chainsaw engines aren't geared to that kind of effeciency. The engines are small and have to put out more power so you lose effeciency.
@@whydoineedmynamehi6772 more power doesn't mean you have to sacrifice efficiency. The problem is they have to run with air cooling which drastically effects the temp of the cooling reservoir vs the power reservoir or heat reservoir. Meaning you thermal efficiency on a given day will be effected by the outside temp. Something like a gas cooled or liquid cooled engine would help increase efficiency and power but drastically increase weight complexity and cost.
Looked at the footage when you thought you broke that wire, looks like it was that way from the factory
"If your not into this type of review...go ahead and f#$% off!" Bwahahahah subscribed!
I use pegboard to hang tools, but I hang them up on the right size bolts for the pegboard holes. Different lengths of bolts to match the tool hanging on it. I know it's dorky, but my tool wall above my main work bench looks better than the dewalt display case at the big box tool store.
I don't know what I'll do with this information, but it's fascinating
Ya definitely don't need to watch AvE tool reviews for the tool reviews. I think he could be talking about the weather, and I'd be interesting 👍
You see silastic around the legs of mosfets on power amplifiers for speakers, as well. I always assume its for some kind of insulation, not necessarily strain relief. At those levels of power, I'm guessing there might be an arcing issue when debris gets in it.
As always, thank you for a fine video! I'm not sure if someone already answered this, but the pump looks almost identical to what you'll find in most Stihl gasoline saws. It is a tiny piston pump that operates on a cam. Also, most good gasoline chainsaws run at least 12,000 rpm, so your 7,000 rpm estimate is probably both accurate and much more modest than it sounds.
You should take the brake off before taking spring out
break on is less spring tension
I'm glad I wasn't the only one saying. Put the leaver back.
That goop on the MOSFET legs resembles the latex mask I have used many a time on conformal-coated boards. The idea is that you mask the stuff you don't want to be packed full of urethane for whatever reason. The mask dries to the consistency of a rubber band. When you want access to whatever you masked, either just after coating or at some later time, you grab the rubber with a needle-nose pliers, breaking right through the thin coating of fairly-brittle urethane, and pop it right outta there. The idea might just be to make the MOSFETS more easily replaceable. If the goop is silicone rather than latex, then it might just be that the greater heat tolerance of the silicone serves to protect the urethane from scorching, since those metal legs would tend to conduct a lot of heat. That would likely improve on the long-term integrity of the moisture barrier. Depends just how hot things are getting, which I do not know.
Thanks for the review AVE looking into getting one of these for a fire rescue truck mostly light use.
Hey AvE, Great review. I'm hoping they bring out a top handle version soon, it'd revolutionise my work at festivals building stages and venues from green timber, at the moment i have to offer up each piece and hold it in place while starting my two-smoke saw, make the cut and then affix the piece, its a 3 handed job at best, an M18 top handle would be a real treat.
FYI, those lines on the saw are your felling sights, they're a really rather important feature that you'll find on all professional chainsaws. ;-)
Keep up the good work pal
Matt
Your chain speed calculation is not too far off for a chainsaw, in fact many pro saws run quite a bit faster than you calculated. For example a Stihl MS261 has a maximum chain speed of 5300 feet per minute and a chain speed of 3600 feet per minute at 9500 rpm where it produces max power. You were also correct about the chain oil pump they use a half moon lobed cam to pump the chain oil. I also think a review of a professional chainsaw that is powered by dinosaur squeezings instead of angry pixies is in order.
I got my hands on a Stihl 261 for $650 Canadian pesos which is the same price range, hard to go with that electric thing when you are in pro gas chainsaw range.
Not sure where he got it for 600... but everywhere I seen is 530 with 2 batteries, if you have packs the bare tool option will be like 380 I bet
Might be counting taxes in his price
Adam Petten not sure where you are from but here in Ontario at Home Depot it’s $598 plus tax for tool and one 12.0 battery
@@Grakoham yikes, every tool store I've seen is 530 with a 12.0 and 9.0, I dont think I've ever bought a tool from home depot. Most fastener stores have free shipping to.
+Grahan K they don't have the extra battery promo going on still? Weird... meh go to Construcion Fasteners, they ship free $530 with extra 9.0 battery.
Now THATS how you do an unboxing. Take that Unbox Therapy!
26:32 proper toolgasm right there
Time to build a
MiLlwalty 2wd Ebike!
Agreed! But, for $600 he could buy a used motorcycle. Lol
My daughters pink barbie jeep does 12mph on my 20V max b&d battery. Been tempted to get a kobalt 80v.
@@Eluderatnight I use the $10 kobalt 24v(2 in parallel) on the powerwheels dune racer. It's on yt
@@Eluderatnight, Jimmy's Tractor, has a video of his son's powerwheels jeep hopped up on some more voltage. I don't remember exactly how much he was putting to it. He'll probably respond and let us know.
you can get a case of those sensormatic tags on Amazon for about $100, expensive maybe but consider the lifetime of laughs it will deliver.
The best part of these videos are when he goes nuts on the packaging with the Bosch 😂
Okay so I've watched about three of your videos now, it's raining outside, and I subscribed and hit the notification button. I like the way you think my friend! And you cuss like I do even better
Zipties and biasplies "you don't need O ring"
You don't need an air cleaner
*proceeds to smash it with a hammer*
I think the guy from that channel is AvE's drugged out, alcoholic brother. He cracks me up tho
You coulda bought a STIHL for a lot less. LOVE those bastards.
I wish I could have as much fun as you. I always get a kick out of watching you open your packages
Some dull beaver went at this with an apprentice, god damn
I would bet the silicone on the switching MOSFETs is for keeping the legs from being shorted out with metal shavings when This Old Tony eventually uses it to carve his portrait in a chunk of aluminum.
The Rancher is just built so much heavier duty. As long you don't run straight gas in it it would last the ordinary home-gamer a lifetime.
Don’t know about that. Got a Husky 359 sitting on the bench that’s only a few years old but already needs a new top end. But my grandpa’s old Stihl 041 that was bought new over 40 years ago still runs like a champ and hasn’t needed anything more than a carb overhaul in all that time.
Did these two toy chainsaws leave the healing bench alive? I was looking forward to the coming of the hot supper but if it happend I can't find it!
"Putin's ghost trackin us" LOL
Amen about the pegboard, especially when you yank the hook out and it falls behind something
It's becouse of you I'm buying all Milwaukee tools you son of a diddly
Lmao whenever he says "innards" my brain hears "n-words" at first and it throws me off everytime lmfao.
Just bumped onto your channel, box openings are cool again!!!!!!!!!
Love the channel, subbed!!!!!!!!
60 frames of skookum
Mehh.. Gas is still king!
This thing is a beast! Mine has lasted just as long as any gas I was up against. If only I had more batteries
can’t use gas indoors
Battery technology still has a ways to go
They each have their uses in my opinion
I have the Milwaukee, a Sthil MS180 and the Makita EA7901. The Milwaukee is the go to for most jobs and I would rather use it than the Sthil.
Favorite AVE video! I’ve watched it like 5 times.
Gettin all close and comfortable with the mic, i could feel your breath on me neck givin me the heeby jeebeez.
Dip into your retirement and BOLTR a Makita XCU03 or XCU04. It's completely different inside. Direct drive, variable oil pump, leverage on bar afixation. It seems pretty skookum.
It's brushless motor is designed with the rotor on the outside and the stator on the inside. The permanent magnets are mounted on the rotor like a bell or cup and the rotor rotates around the internal windings. This makes the rotor necessity larger and further from the center shaft producing much higher inertia resulting in smooth, stable operation, even at low speeds. It is also more efficient and shorter than inner rotor motors.
This type motor produced higher torque since it increases the “lever arm” effect and other magnetic advantages I don't understand. The large rotor also means it can accommodate more winding poles, which further increases magnetic flux. Outer rotor motors are shorter than similar inner rotor motors since the same magnetic surface area forces inner rotors to be longer since they’re on a smaller diameter. Makita’s motor doesn’t protrude outwards like the Milwaukee. This compact size and high torque makes outer rotors great for applications with varying loads like a chainsaw sees. It's high inertia helps to “push through” load fluctuations and produces high starting torque. Because they use outer rotor design Makita’s saw can be direct drive. No gears also increases efficiency while simplifying things.
Amen to the pegboard, some wood and some screws/nails are all you need, frikking cheap, throw in a sharpie if you want the fancy version with tool outlines
DKTAz00 you spelt dust/sawdust and grime/car grease wrong
I bought the DeWalt Flexvolt saw, and it appears they’ve fixed the bar attachment fuckery. It no longer has that silly torque limiter. It’s actually been a super kickass chainsaw and no problems with the bar whatsoever since they updated it. Only complaint about it i have is the oil cap leaks.
My Echo CS-400 is 13 years old. Its been a great tool. Love my Echo straight shaft trimmer.
3 Acres. Many trees cleared. No fireplace that im feeding for what thats worth.
Cutting open a Lithium-ion powered device with a saw? The madman.
Please review Milwaukee air snake,,,, possible air compressor seals are bad. Idk. I had 2 crap out on me each after less than 20 uses
Cool review. I love my echo. 4 years old 5 cords a year and starts on 2 pulls.
There is so so much love in the way you talk ❤️... and sometimes german for a reason 🤷♂️
For the uninitiated, I would love to see a comparison between these and an high end petroleum equivalent.. part for part... keep up the great work.. skucum as frig !
And now you can thanks to ProjectFarm
Booyah! Damn, spensive electric beaver!
I stumbled on to you trying to get info on new hydraulic impacts your awesome man keep up the good work
Thanks for another great tear down. Keep'em coming