@@Grokford Yes, you can ask. But know that I'm not intimidated by your 'qualification'. I've some questions for you; Have you ever read and understood Romans 1:18 to 2:16? Do you have a relationship with Jesus? I'm not interested in your answers, just have a think about it.
@@goodviewfromuphere120 "Yes, you can ask. But know that I'm not intimidated by your 'qualification'." I don't need you to be, but I generally prefer to avoid the shock and awe of people saying that I've never read the Bible because I disagree with them. "I've some questions for you; Have you ever read and understood Romans 1:18 to 2:16?" Well that's an unusual grouping, but I believe so. Although I'm not sure of the relevance. "Do you have a relationship with Jesus?" Also a yes. "I'm not interested in your answers, just have a think about it." Well to be frank with you, I find it vaguely rude that you've chosen to respond to a question with some vague moral chastisement.
@goodviewfromuphere120 I hear what you're saying and agree with you with your original comment. There's lots of people who try and justify sin and such. Just keep remembering that one particular part of the Bible right in the beginning when Satan said "You will not surely die"...etc. Same deception, same tactics, just with new generations. Key phrase (part of a verse) is "do not be deceived." You can't go wrong with a higher standard.
@@DL_Burns That's an interesting point but I would say that it's strange to not consider the possibility that your perspective could have been brought about through deception. For centuries upon centuries Christians believed that slavery was ordained by God along with the inferiority of women. Not two hundred years ago major leaders of American Christianity believed that not only was sex risky but that all sex was immoral along with spices and sugar. From my perspective Purity culture is an extension of the same flawed tradition. And I think that it's especially insidious when cultural ideas of sexual purity become more important than the gospel.
Not spiritual or sexual advice but alot of religious people just speaking like parrots, I am 34 years of celibacy and i broke Jesus record so take it for what its worth, Ive come to the understanding that lusting is an unatural desire of wanting some thing that some one else has and not being contented with what you have , Jehovah commanded that a man go into a woman then make her his wife, in this modern world they do things in reverse the have a wedding then go into the woman, the bible clearly states the opposite hence the reason i am in this predicament. Ive come to the understanding that prostitution is fornication, the doctor told me i need to do a semen analysis, few days ago i did some STI screenings and i have never had sex in my life of barely if kiss some one, ive been that celibate not because i am scared of women rather of hellfire growing up and also catching diseases i dont eat or drink from people too. with that said so the doctor is causing me to sin my soul and go to help, they say i need prostate check but they must stick a finger up my behind but some how that is not sodomy.. explain me this.,.. its only okay for when a DOCTOR or and EXPERT with their white privilege to do things 😒 then its okay the nurse had to touch my penis and stick a swap up it why?? because the doctor ordered it????
Masturbation is the most common and simple solution, having sex is a more complex alternative. If you’re not willing to do either of those then maybe a hobby, exercise perhaps? The former Thai minister of health suggest that the youths play soccer to relieve their sexual frustration, but seeing as that idea has been mocked in every drama for the past decade I don’t think it worked very well.
Get married. But if you're single: Don't turn to masturbation, you'll stay single for a longer time because it takes your motivation away from meeting other women. But don't beat yourself up too much if you cave in once in a while either. Just get fit, go outside and date multiple women if you have to - there's nothing wrong with that until you start taking someone seriously and you're saving a lot of time. If you're still pent up at this point, take a part time job on top of your full time job. Having more money will make it so much easier to start a family down the road.
@@sexysputnik That is insane advice. Marriage is not something that you should be forcing yourself into, let alone for the stupid reason of unresolved horniness. If masturbating stops you from pursuing a relationship then you shouldn't be pursuing that relationship regardless.
@@Grokford Its not for everyone and may not be for you and that's fine. Take it or leave it. But it is for someone who wants to figure out what they want in a woman if they're not already taking their life and her seriously. You also have to ask yourself, if a young man is chronically masturbating then is him being single that good for him? Its not and it means that he's out of his masculine frame from being a husband and a father.
That's because it's a Godless society, which is falling apart. Only communities that are built on the foundation of religious morals and principles will hold together for many generations. All religions are designed to communicate a series risk-mitigating instructions, which encourage the preservation, conservation and spiritual growth of individuals and the family unit. I respect and love all religions.
@John3.36 Prove it then, where is the scripture in the law of moses?? Show it or shut up. The laws of sex before marriage apply to virgin women and virgin women who are engaged to be married. Why? Because they are the property of their father. You clearly don't know the mosaic law. Get off of RUclips and go study. I'll help you if you need it.
@@klyetruman7285 The Bible teaches that sex before marriage is immoral in a couple of different passages. One is 1 Corinthians 7:2, which says, “But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.” In this verse, marriage is presented as the “cure” for sexual immorality. Sexual union within marriage, which is commended, is set against immorality, which is to be avoided. Thus, any sex outside of marriage is considered immoral. This would have to include premarital sex. Another verse that presents sex before marriage as immoral is Hebrews 13:4, “Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.” Here, we have both adultery and fornication contrasted with what happens in the marriage bed. Marriage (and sexual intercourse within marriage) is honorable; all other types of sexual activity are condemned as immoral and bring God’s judgment.
i think with some people, they think it is a sin. i think there is a lot of regret, especially with women. physical love and relationships , are things most people that relate soul to love . the idea that someone used you, and did not care for you , must be soul crushing . it's a self punishing sin , that leaves you feeling, unloved and unwanted .
I have a question. Why do people still have sex? Sex is very gross, nasty, messy, and disgusting! I don't see how sex is a good thing. Why don't humans just remove sex from this world? Women can still get pregnant without sex (there's a lot of ways women can get pregnant without sex including artificial insemination). Sex does cause a lot of problems, so the world might be a much better place without it.
Nonbeliever/former Christian here. I actually admire anyone that enters into marriage as a virgin. But even this is no guarantee of a problem-free, successful marriage. It takes effort from two people to make it work. You will experience pain and hardship in marriage, even if you are both virgins, Christian, and have all the right beliefs.
There’s also a much higher risk of problems, whether that be marrying too soon(because young Christians are horny) marrying someone your incompatible with or just the general fact that if you spend so long avoiding and often fearing sex, that doesn’t just go away when the vows are done. To say nothing of toxic assumptions about sex or sexual roles, women who wait to have sex until they’re married often suffer much higher rates of vaginismus, which is attributed to them having sex out of obligation rather than genuine desire.
Where does it say you must sign a contract with the state? My question is, how is marriage defined? What if you are committed to one man and he is committed to you your whole lives, but you don't sign a contract with the state?
My beloved late wife & I were first intimate on our second date. It was AWESOME! That was 42 years ago, we married a couple of years after that, I lost her to heart disease 7 years ago. She was the only woman in my life since 1982, including NOW. I look forward to God reuniting us in paradise. If you think I'm going to feel guilty or ashamed about ANY of our years together, you're going to be disappointed.
Right on. I think family and stability should be the goal. Obviously marriage is part of that. Not saying you should have sex on date number 2 or even date number 300 necessarily. But it's SUPPOSED to happen, eventually. If two young people do it before the wedding happens but remained committed to each other as you and your wife did, I just don't see what's so terrible about that.
@@mattr.1887 I was never a believer in "love at first sight", but that's exactly what it was for us. One of my buddies was supposed to be "set up" with a woman from HER "friend group" at a local bar. That sorta fizzled, but my beloved & I CAUGHT FIRE!! Dear Lord, I miss her so.
@ I don't. We were 100% exclusive from that night forward until she passed, 31 of our 34 years together as husband & wife. The Good Lord blessed us both. If you don't like it, I'm OK with that!
if they cannot contain maybe they should get a therapist?? rather than throwing themselves into marriage. If they can't handle abstaining from physical pleasures, it sounds like they need to work on the strength of their hearts first. Entering the marriage with strength and fortitude for life's different challenges. Marriage isn't all about sex.
@@goobertgoobert Isn't it amazing that your comment (verse) was able to expose other people's ignorance of the Bible and their ability to quote worldly ways so easily.
@@lalaishappyyy I agree that marriage shouldn't just be about sex however sometimes people have strong desires for romantic relationships/marriage that can warp into sexual/lustful passion when that desire is unmet and they are intimately malnourished. To redundantly deny yourself or others that opportunity because you think one should be able to "abstain" from it is unhelpful and only gonna you feel worse. Not that we shouldn't practice self-control prior to getting into a relationship but some people throughout their lives have had no choice but to abstain from it due to their prolonged singleness.
According to Jesus, you should mutilate yourself. Matthew 18:9. Paul also talks about self-destruction as a pathway to divinity. It's okay though, guys. Jesus was in Jewish comedian mode. He didn't REALLY mean what he said.
And he is hailed as a hero of the faith! Yet two Christian kids from Nebraska get a little carried away one night before the wedding, and suddenly THAT'S a big problem..
@@2267victor Multiple wives is totally allowed in Judaism, regardless of modern Rabbi opinions. We cannot judge Solomon by modern Christian laws which itself is confused about many things.
@@ashekshanto8537 Thou shall not commit adultery? That was old testament. I am far from an expert personally I believe that Jesus was not talking about the God of the Jews I think the story of Jesus was later combined with Judaism to create Christianity.
@petermulinzi1288 that we committed a serious sin ,immoral sexual sin for the sake of pleasure and lust.Becoming one in body and soul.Something sacred and preserved for after marriage live,between and man and a woman. Promiscuous lifestyle or various sexual engagements mean you unleash all your previous partners' demons onto the one you're having sex with. It's a sin,immoral, and wrong.How much your ever and justify it,you'll suffer the consequences. Sooner or later. You won't walk free until you repent,refrain yourself from doing it, and receive forgiveness.
@petermulinzi1288 sorry,fair enough.Guilt ,becoming more aware as one grow older,grow spiritual realizing what despicable sin you've committed in the eyes of the Lord.Apart from becoming one in soul and flesh with the other party,also,opening up to all the demons and bad spirits of all the previous sex partners that person had. Losing perspective on and of something that is meant to be sacred. Future trust issues Often thinking about the fact that your partner was not the first ,even who knows how many before,to share something sacred reserved for someone special. Out of love,not just. After many years of married life with a loving wive,l often tend to think about .Foolishly as it may seem. Personal emotions l experience, or,maybe not.Once one realizes how sacred and magic this deed actually means.
You focus on the wrong word. It's not sexual immorality that makes your case against premarital sex, but sexual greed. Greed is a much more solid notion than immorality, and implies anything you are drawn to out of an insatiable desire to have it. Then you have the third buzzword, impurity, which is a solid 10/10 unmistakable definition of whether you have done it or not. Of course, all of this means little to nothing as linguistic nuance gets utterly lost in translation. So if you really want to follow the word of God, you better start learning Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, because ANY translation will be an interpretation of the translator, who without cultural competence (where cultural context can shift in as short as a few decades) can not have the innate understanding of the true meaning behind the words, the connotative meaning of the phrases... you know what? I'll just stop here instead of giving you a linguistics course. Words can carry additional meaning beyond their straight translation. And no amount of paralel texts will teach you the zeitgeist of a culture to capture the nuance of every single word. To genuinely adhere to the tenets of a religion, it is crucial to consider the cultural context that was present when the religious texts were originally written to understand the vernacular fully. That context is no longer possible to retrieve. All you can do is approximate it to the best of your capabilities, by studying the original language, and reading the original scripture, because even speaking about the imprecise nature of a translation in the language of a translation could be considered a form of the tu quoque fallacy. Academic rant over...
"You focus on the wrong word. It's not sexual immorality that makes your case against premarital sex, but sexual greed. Greed is a much more solid notion than immorality" That's very true, but it's also not what the text said. Sure Greed could cross over into sexuality, but that is just one type of sexual immorality among many. "Then you have the third buzzword, impurity, which is a solid 10/10 unmistakable definition of whether you have done it or not." Not necessarily, it's definitely a meaningless buzzword. But sometimes people can lose their "purity" just from extended time in the presence of the opposite sex. It's an amorphous turn meant to be used to enforce whatever arbitrary biases of the speaker. "Of course, all of this means little to nothing as linguistic nuance gets utterly lost in translation. So if you really want to follow the word of God, you better start learning Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, because ANY translation will be an interpretation of the translator, who without cultural competence (where cultural context can shift in as short as a few decades) can not have the innate understanding of the true meaning behind the words, the connotative meaning of the phrases... yo u know what? I'll just stop here instead of giving you a linguistics course." Very true, but I'd also argue that there are many steps that people can take to improve accuracy of interpretation without learning several ancient languages.. It can be as simple as learning the parts of speech or as complicated as learning how translation works in an entirely separate language.. My studies in anthropology and linguistics certainly have helped me, but I've also spent a lot of time as an interpreter for unrelated languages and that's probably the biggest help to me when it comes to interpreting adjusting for difference in language. "Words can carry additional meaning beyond their straight translation. And no amount of paralel texts will teach you the zeitgeist of a culture to capture the nuance of every single word." Amen man, preachin' to the choir.
Thats not what porneia actually means. It means prostitute. Not to justify fornication, but we have to be accurate about the original language and historical context.
@@ApolloBassGuitar Well the short answer is that "fornication" is a mistranslation, the longer answer is that the translation was correct but English literally changed around it until it was wrong.
I agree that sexual self discipline is definitely a very important virtue. However, whether sex is god or bad in God's eye cannot depend on the approval of a bishop, priest, pastor or state officer. This is most obvious nowadays when the same people also approve same sex relationships. In the bible it was usually the brides father that did the wedding. And fornication is basically voluntarily changing sex partners.
Jesus didn't up the standard. That a misreading of Mathew 5. The "you have heard it said" wasn't Jesus quoting the old testament but the scribes and Pharisees. And saying "but I say to you" wasn't a law but wisdom on how to become the type of person that would not commit these sins by dealing with the source attitude. The Greek word "a woman" often means "wife" so there is nothing wrong in being attracted to a single woman, that's not adultery anyway. The word "lust" or 'desire" is the same word used for covet in the Greek translation of the ten commandments"you shall not covet your neighbors wife" Just meaning Jesus wasn't raising the standard just clearing it from religious interpretations. And the law of Moses weren't actually laws, as in legislation,but wisdom..torah is the correct word. And that's what Jesus is doing giving wisdom on how to have righteousness beyond the scribes and Pharisees.
Paul - are you saying that none of the things that Moses stated were laws? I am just trying to be sure that I understand what you are saying, I don't want to misrepresent you.
@@honestplus1756 the ancient world knew nothing of LAWS as in legislation. What we call "law" or more correctly "Torah" are instructions and wisdom for the people of God in the covenant. So you don't need a specific command to know that sex is meant for marriage, wisdom teaches that. Wisdom brings order The Old Testament scholar John Walton has a number of videos on RUclips explaining what Torah was.
@MujahidOfTheRedwoods that was because it disrupted social order and the letter of the punishment wasn't always carried out...eg. King David's adultery and murder . Moses didn't create a legislation but legal saying to give wisdom example to administrators ..it was not intended as LAW.
@@honestplus1756 in our modern times we equate "laws" with legislation but I'm saying the idea of legislation wasn't not how they thought during Moses time. Moses writings uses the Hebrew word "Torah"'which means instruction in wisdom... And it illustrates that with examples. I hope that explains what I mean. Most of the so-called laws of Moses begin with the phrase "If a man" .. if a man finds an indecency in his wife and he gives her a certificate of divorce and sends her from his house..." They are examples of how to think..not legislation. Many Hebrew scholars recognize this from comparison with other ancient"law codes"
Matthew 5:27-28 explained correctly. Jesus was not 'upping' the standard. He was pointing out the standard that was there all along. A bad translation of this verse. In Greek, they don’t have a separate word for “wife” vs “woman”. They are the exact same word and only context can tell you which is which. The point Jesus is making is about adultery. Biblical adultery can only be committed when a married woman is involved. Therefore, the women mentioned here must be married. If she isn’t, then you simply can’t have the sin of adultery. It’s literally impossible. A more accurate translation from the Greek, "but I say to you that everyone who gazes intently at a [married] woman in order to covet her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." All of a sudden, the whole verse makes perfect sense. Jesus says that if you covet your neighbor’s wife, you’ve as good as committed adultery with her in your heart. The issue is coveting another man’s wife, not noticing an attractive woman. The Greek word Pros conveys intention. Jesus was talking about intentional, purposeful looking/staring here and that’s the first crucial point. Jesus is not talking about an accidental glance or catching a bit of flesh out of the corner of your eye. “lust” in that passage is the Greek word “ἐπιθυμῆσαι” (epithumeó). It means to show focused passion as it aptly builds on (Gk epi, “upon”) what a person truly yearns for; to “greatly desire to do or have something - ‘to long for, to desire very much‘
It can be Either One in a Married Couple! If one of them sneaks away to have Sex with someone else, that's adultery! For example... having sex with a fellow employee, before going home to their husband or wife.
Some things that are never talked about by the church - David's multiple wives and hundreds of prostitutes, Jacob having two wives and getting it on with his wives' handmaids, polygamy being acceptable in OT cultures, the punishment for forced rape was to either marry the woman or pay the dowry to her family, no mention of sin or stoning that was punishment for adultery.
There are major flaws in this teaching. She did not quote one Scripture at all. So she gave you the stock Christian answer. She should sit down and be quiet! She missed this by a long shot.
What have you said as a self proclaimed pastor except judging her and fingering here... You should be ashamed of yourself to bear that title.... Instead of you adding what she missed you're attacking which is completely no scripture reference of note
I very much like your videos Mr. Dowell, and I agree, she should sit and be quiet. But I didn't really see the flaw in her statements, she seems to be saying that sex outside of marriage is a sin; is it not? I'm curious which part of her position you disagree with?
@@arthursimango500 Scripture doesn’t have a lot of relevant commentary on specific RUclips Videos or modern Christian politics. She’s making things up, that’s simply the reality.
If premarital sex is a sin, then I have two questions I would like someone to answer. 1) In Exodus 22:16-17 it says if a man has sex with a woman he either has to marry her or pay a fine to the father. Why would he not be stoned If its a sin considering stoning is the punishment for sins in the Old Testament (ie adultery)? 2) In Leviticus chapter 18 there is a list of sexual sins. Surprisingly premarital sex is not there. Why not if its such a big sin?
I would argue It's a sin not to have sex before marrage. Also, never enter into a lifetime monogamous relationship with someone with even knowing if you're sexually compatible. God want you to be happy.
There is nothing in the Bible that supports your claim about sex before marriage, there is also nothing in the Bible that tells us that God wants us to be happy. True joy is only found in the Lord Jesus Christ, and I would kindly encourage you to repent and put your faith in Him. I promise you will experience true joy, much better than temporary 'happiness'
I have always believed that sex-before-marriage was sinful. So I fought the good fight to remain a virgin prior to marriage. To this day I consider this the biggest mistake of my life given what happened. I had no clue that I was making a life-long commitment to someone who was 100% sexually incompatible with me.
God wants us to glorify his name here on earth by our words and actions. This will lead to discomfort at times. It’s not about making ourselves happy it’s about pleasing God.
@@connordiem2834 “For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.” Jeremiah 29:11 NIV This sounds like a general statement that God seeks our benefit in some sense. And I would say that there is no scripture supporting the idea that pre-marital sex is a sin. That is a cultural notion more than anything.
@@GrokfordI read one of the Ten Commandments in my old Bible, it says sex is a gift of God given to married couples, that means a man and a woman married, not anything else
As an atheist Jew who thinks premarital sex is a must to know that the couple is compatible and don't care what either religion says, I wonder how did I get here?
@@crazymountain777 I think when it comes to premarital sex its a bit too late, I'm married already. I do "sin" in some different areas, but for some reason that's not where god brought me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those rebels who is trying to be "bad". I live according to my conscience, try to do good when I can. Not here to look for religious people to argue with either, to each their own. I'm just wondering why did RUclips algorithm suggested this video for me.
@@crazymountain777 The idea that pre-marital sex is a sin is more of a cultural idea that an idea inherent to the Bible or the Christian faith. And there are so problems that come along with that. So while in theory I have no problem with someone getting married with no sexual experience, practically I really doubt that most people are doing so in a way that’s responsible or accounts for potential problems. Many young Christians do get married just for the social acceptability of the sex they’d like to be having anyways.
I actually agree with you guys, I don’t know why this echo chamber within the Christian community about premarital sex being a sin has persisted. Especially since the rest of the internet has the exact opposite echo chamber.
Here's the problem, one's interpretation of what sexual immorality is can be different from another persons. The bible says sexual immorality is wrong but does not specifically define what it is, man defined it. It can be a host of things. It could mean between two gay people, it could mean anal sex, it could mean a lot of things.
@@mattr.1887 I feel the sarcasm but it's valid. This is why so many different religions popped up. This is why I do not understand why some state that the bible is inerrant.
Wrong. The word sexual immorality in the Greek is covering all “sexual” sins outside the “marriage” bed. It’s not up for interpretation. Do your research and do your due diligence as scripture teaches you. This is why so many people are compromising things in the Bible because they lack understanding like you just proved. Sex outside of marriage is wrong period. But there is forgiveness but you have to recognize it.
That's actually bs. The Bible is quite straightforward about sexual immorality and defines it pretty clear: homosexuality (whether gay or lesbian), premarital sex, willful negation of procreation are morally wrong, ie. sinful. It's quite clear and if someone is defending different notions, they're either full of shit and/or uneducated. For example: why was Joseph so troubled with accepting Mary and the Scriptures spin the tale of dream and angel messengers (buttery butter as "angel" by itself means "messenger")? Because being pregnant before marriage was clear sign of premarital sex and it was big no-no in Israelite culture. Old Testament is clear about the fact that man laying with man (ie. having sex) is so bad that they're both basically dead already. St. Paul mocked Roman pagans by stating God gave them to their shameful lusts and women were drawn to women in unnatural way, men to men (Romans 1:26-27). And yes, there are people who try to play with the words and say that Paul used Greek word ἄρσενες in the meaning of "boys", not "men" - ie. Paul is condemning boy-man relations known in Greek culture - or that it have nothing to do with homosexuality at all but cult of Cybele (mother of gods and protectress of Rome), but it's all really sloppy scholarship as OT and NT as a whole are pretty consistent in absolute condemnation of any homosexual acts.
That's not entirely true, man did not define all of it. It specifically lists adultery and fornication as sins, as well as homosexuality and any form of lust. I don't know what version you're reading, but it's there, even if not spelled out to your liking. The Bible is inerrant, and the issue with people who think otherwise is that they're not informed enough to understand the consistency, and sometimes they're just looking for excuses to live the way they want even without realizing it. Sin is black and white, not grey, and it's our responsibility to apply the seemingly "vague" principles of the Bible to the different areas of our life. I don't know what you mean, there's only one religion that adheres to the Christian Bible which is Christianity. Muslims may worship the same god, but based on the claims of a man who came much later and the Koran. Maybe you're referring to different denominations of Christianity, in which case you're right that there are different interpretations of certain things, like baptism for example. There are certain grey areas of the Bible that Christians can agree to disagree over because they aren't as serious, but sin is not one of them. Sexual sin is laid out clearly enough for those willing to listen.
telling single people they can't have sex or masturbate is just stupid to me and just sets people up to fail, its either going to be one or the other its just to unrealistic and every sane Christian knows that,
True. Just like a lot of other sins, it's hard for we - as sinful humans - to resist, which is the whole reason why Jesus died on the cross so that we could be made righteous through his blood.
@@josephpchajek2685 That's not a good comparison. If someone is as sexually obsessed as you are then maybe sex is like heroin. But that's not how most people are.
@@rondrake77777 "Don't forget to confess the sin of premarital sex." Pre-marital sex is not a sin. "I had sex with my wife before our marital ceremony. I lost my virginity to her and am still married to her 8 years later" I understand that you regret this, but I don't see any inherent problem. "but I had to repent because all sex has to happen during the timeframe of marriage." No it doesn't. Who said that? Not the Bible. "Sex outside of marriage is one form of fornication. The other version of fornication is sex right before marriage." Well the word "fornication" is not used in modern Bible translations and for good reasons, the word has changed in meaning from when it was first used five _hundred_ years ago and it no longer matches what the actual text of the Bible said. Pre-marital sex is never prohibited in the Bible.
I had premarital sex with both my 1st wife & also with my current wife, and was in love each time beforehand. My only regret about having sex before marriage was when I initially lost my virginity to a woman who I WAS NOT in love with, which in hindsight cheapened the experience! I know what the Bible says, but I still try to live my life as a God loving Christian man, who has tried to live my life as rightiously as possible otherwise. None of us is ever "perfect"! That's why God died for our sins! He knows we all screw up from time to time. If we repent our sins, he forgives!
Biblically sex is marriage so the idea of premarital sex doesn't exist. With that said, sex without the intent of marriage or complete marriage can be classified as a form of sin.
If you’ve had 20 failed relationships and you had sex with all 20, it is just like being divorced 20 times. The mental scars are the same. Save sex for marriage if you want to keep your sanity.
@@Grokford It depends on the person I suppose. For me its the same because I DO NOT have casual hookups. I have never dated anyone unless I was crazy about them.
@@jeffpaxton9172 It is different for every person which is why we shouldn't share personal information as universal fact. If you're only having sex with people you're obsessed with then yes the end of that relationship is going to be more painful than a casual or even a more grounded relationship. But even a terrible heartbreak is not as bad as many divorces which ware legal and social ordeal in addition to an emotional experience.
Sex is very much like a fire. Put in its proper spot, a fireplace (ie. marriage), it can warm your home and give light. But place it anywhere other than your fireplace it will burn your house down.
dude!!!!! "sexual immorality" can have different meanings!!!! you and I can interpret it differently. there is no set definition for sexual morality, it can mean cheating on your partner, rape or as small as having lust full desires
If everyone would follow this law of confining sexual expression to marriage it's undeniable that there would be a lot less problems in society, i.e. unwanted pregnancy, STDs, broken trust, etc. But above that, my belief is that those who wait until marriage are blessed with a heightened ability to feel the Spirit, and that's where the deeper blessings come from. All this being said, even those who have not kept this law can receive forgiveness and healing through the grace of Jesus Christ.
"If everyone would follow this law of confining sexual expression to marriage" That's not a law, the Bible never says that. "it's undeniable that there would be a lot less problems in society" I beg to differ. "i.e. unwanted pregnancy, STDs, broken trust, etc." I'll grant that there would be fewer STDs but that's about it. I dont think marriage makes inherently makes a pregnancy more wanted. And I really don't think that having sex or not having sex is going to make a major impact on how often people break trust, at least not directly. "But above that, my belief is that those who wait until marriage are blessed with a heightened ability to feel the Spirit, and that's where the deeper blessings come from." Sounds like hokum, not gonna lie. That's so vague I really don't think that you could prove that even if it were true.
Yep, right up t the divorce! All that "security" really comes down to the woman looking at a man and deciding "is he worth divorcing?" if so, they marry and later when the man has gotten his wife the house, had children and worked a good 20/30 years its now time to harvest the big game animal and take him for everything he's got! So many of us bought into the marriage trap, got fooled with sex and paid with everything he had in the divorce decree. Ever heard of MGTOW?
There is some degree of guessing by posters and the author of this clip. Bible verses are clear on some points but not all. I'm not saying its OK because I don't know, but pornography and masterbation are not mentioned in the bible. Lusting after another woman when married is as in the case of King David and Basheba that seems obvious. But the scripture called song of songs is very explicit and some pastors will claim they are married, but that's not clear. Then what about married people that read this passage, is that like reading pornography? Too many question, too many opinions and not enough factual answers.
Masturbation is in violation to none of God's commandment. Anyone who claims it is sin teaches human bids, and is a heretic. And Matthew 5:27-28 is one of the worst misused verses in the bible. These verses are horribly taken out of context. First of all: OF COURSE adultery can only be commited as long as there is a marriage included in the situation. If you read the bible in its context you will understand that Jesus adressed the unallowed lusting for another man's wife. Nothing else. It's about intentional desire to get what is forbidden according to the law. A single man lusting for(wanting to get) a single woman is of course not sin. How could otherwise a man even search for a wife? God's word always needs to be read in its context!
Wait tell me than me and my "wife" have been together for 10 years committed to eachother and our child. Whats the difference when ive seen marriages end withing the first 5 years.
Oh we arent married because of the legal nonsense. We should be allowed to be together without it being a sin when Christians get married, have sex and divorced in less time than me and her have had our family dog.
@@UmamiPapi The Bible doesn't necessitate marriage for sex though, that's a modern cultural notion. And he raises a valid point. Government documentation is extraneous, it can't be the thing that makes sex morally valid. So why should we condemn a committed long-term relationship and praise teenager marrying eachother?
I had a Religion subject in college and our professor is a nun. I forgot what she said word for word but the context is - Sex is exclusive for husband and wife and not with all the girlfriend and boyfriend you'll have. If one engage in pre-marital sex, more often than not it's actually because of lust and pressure but to not feel guilty about it, they'll say it's because of love. Lastly, she said that not everything that makes us happy is good for us anyway, so it'll be best to think of how we can make God happy and pleased instead.
My kinda girl. I've never met someone like her in reality. Anyone know if she's married? I live by the principles she discussed in this video, coming from a Vaishnava (Hindu) background.
It's important to realize that the era of Jesus's teachings also demanded that women obey and submit to their husbands. So a man could marry a woman without any worry about what kind of wife she would be, and a woman would accept that whatever kind of husband he was, she was prepared to be obedient to him. He could be a total lout and an a**hole, but she had no choice but to do as he asked and stay silent. And she could insist on not doing certain things, and he had the authority to force her or force his way on her. (It wasn't a NICE thing to do, but it was his RIGHT, and no one would interfere, because the roles were understood.). That was the general culture. It's actually remarkable that we've come this far as a society that men and women find value in legitimately caring for each other, wanting to be kind to each other, and reaching compromises (at least, in SOME cultures... in many, it's still back the way it was 2000 years ago). And I think entering a marriage knowing your sexual compatibility is an important part of that. THAT SAID, the GOAL is ONE person you find to be your partner, not a high body count. And you can pretty much figure out sexual compatibility LONG before the actual ACT. I mean, that's what 1st, 2nd and 3rd base are all about. And really, just making out with someone you care about is a thrill to make last for as long as you can.
exactly the thing is when you have sex with some one you need to stick with them and stand with them especially if the person gets pregnant because the orphan children is a plague to society thats why a marriage certificate and witnesses is to force accountability your word is your bond@@Grokford
@@AviatorDark Sex and commitment are entirely different things. We only set people up for failure when we tell them otherwise. Sex doesn't even morally obligate commitment. Obviously people are responsible for their children, but that has nothing to do with a marriage relationship. Marriage is a socio-legal contract that is primarily meant to protect the members of the couple. In periods where parental obligations were not recognized yes it also included protections for children but largely the two are unrelated.
@@Fatelvis2 Not quite, fornication did not imply pre-marital sex when it was first used in translation five centuries ago, that connotation grew out of cultural biases, which are closely linked to the loss of inheritance rights for bastards in Britain. The original Greek and Hebrew never made any mention of pre-marital sex. The addition of pre-marital sex to the understanding of the term "fornication" was quirk of socio-linguistic history. "Fornication" has not been used in new English translations of the Bible for the better part of a century. Instead translations tend to favor the more general "sexual immorality" which is closer to the original meaning of the text.
@@UmamiPapi What sin is that? I'm not actually sexually active, so it's not that I can't control myself or that I'm some sort of sex addict, it just doesn't seem right to me that people should be shamed for something the Bible never condemns.
When God created the Institution of marriage (and family) He wanted a husband and wife to make a covenant with Him - a 3 strand chord which cannot be easily broken. Not only that. God is pure and He wants us to be pure in our behaviour. Sex before marriage excludes God from the marriage covenant. I also feel that this is why so many relationships fail down the track. Certainly it was in my case. The marriage failed after 10 years. I determined that of God was to provide me with another spouse i would wait until God could properly bless the union.
"When God created the Institution of marriage" Now when did he do such a thing as that? "He wanted a husband and wife to make a covenant with Him" When did he say that "Sex before marriage excludes God from the marriage covenant." How? And How do you know that?
If you read about the fate of the Amalkite women aka the virgin women you will see that the bible does condone sex without being married to the partner.
Matthew 5:27-28 is a MISTRANSLATION from the Greek....it doesn't say "looks at a WOMAN", it actually says "looks at a WIFE" Which means a man who even looks at ANOTHER MAN's WIFE with lust has already committed adultery in his HEART That is the correct translation.
@@Grokford How is this not better? It's infinitmisally better. Adultery by definition of THE MOST HIGH is a married woman having sexual relations with a man who is NOT her Husband. With that definition in mind, The Matthew verse correctly translated makes so much more sense: Looking at another man's wife with desire but not acting on that desire is still committing adultery in the HEART. Now compare that to the MISTRANSLATED version Modern Christianity uses: Looking at ANY unmarried woman with desire equals ADULTERY, a sin which commands DEATH as punishment. See how TERRIBLE the mistranslation used by Modern Christianity is? Adultery is ONLY when it's between a married woman and a man she is NOT married to.
@@EriPages Well the problem is that the Greek doesn't mention Lust(it mentions desire), but it does say "in order to" which implies concious choice as compared to other English translations that condemn all sexual interest in general. " is a married woman having sexual relations with a man who is NOT her Husband." In this case it's the opposite, Jesus is talking to married men. "See how TERRIBLE the mistranslation used by Modern Christianity is?" I agree that the current translations are bad, but it's just that it's not the biggest flaw. "Adultery is ONLY when it's between a married woman and a man she is NOT married to." Well as I said, this statement is being directed towards married me, I'm tempted to believe that this isn't a gendered subject.
Many faithful servants of the Lord had multiple concubines/girlfriends to go into, including Priests. God gave them many beautiful women to delight in. (Abraham, King David and many more). Please check the bible and do not simply listen to what man says.
King David also murdered a man. Just because God is using you for his greater glory doesn't mean your not human. Everyone human in the Bible except Jesus sinned and that doesn't mean its ok, it just means they were flawed like we are.
Remember, the Lord approved having additional wives/women. Kings were not allowed to have too many wives - "“And he shall not acquire many wives for himself, lest his heart turn away, nor shall he acquire for himself excessive silver and gold.” Deuteronomy 17:17"@@pickles8098
No. That's the reason why Jesus died on the cross; to make us righteous through his blood and get saved. We are born sinners and are incapable of keeping every single commandment. If you repent, understand and accept that you're unable to save yourself and the only way to be saved is through Jesus, you will be saved.
So in ancient Israel men were not expected to wait until marriage to have sex women were seen as sexual commodities if a man wanted to have sex with a woman she wasn't allowed to refuse however if he did have sex with her he was expected to marry her because she would be considered "damaged goods." I would suggest you do scholarly research and see where the data leads instead of just believing whatever your pastor tells you and looking for ways to justify your own personal agenda. And I would also suggest that you check out Dan McClellans RUclips channel
Yes pre-marital sex is a sin and disrespects the idea of marriage. Have you not read the Bible or something? Because that’s literally what it says. God intended for sex to be marriage and reproductive purposes only. He also stated that “every man should have their own wife and every woman should have their own husband.” That means that He does prohibit pre-marital sex or “fornication”. It says that fornication is a sin and that includes sexual relationships with people before you are married, regardless of whether you think that you love the person and has a desire to eventually get married and have children, and definitely even more so outside of your marriage.
@@HeatherAngus-vj2jq "Yes pre-marital sex is a sin" According to whom? By what authority? For what reason? Because you say so is not sufficient. "and disrespects the idea of marriage." I fail to see how. In fact, from my perspective treating marriage is if it were the vehicle for sex is so ludicrous that it diminishes both marriage and sex. "Have you not read the Bible or something?" I have indeed, I have a degree in theology and I'm afraid that they don't give those out for being pretty. "Because that’s literally what it says." No. Incorrect. The Bible literally never prohibits pre-marital sex. It makes maybe one specific allusion to it. "God intended for sex to be marriage and reproductive purposes only." The Bible definitely never says that. Paul(in 1 Corinthians 7) referred to sexlessness in marriage as some sort of deprivation, so clearly sex involves some sort of mutual satisfaction apart from duty and reproduction. "He also stated that “every man should have their own wife and every woman should have their own husband.”" You might need to check your sources because it sounds like your misquoting from memory. Paul explicitly states that remaining unmarried is preferable. "Now to the unmarried a and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do." 1 Corinthians 7:8 "That means that He does prohibit pre-marital sex " That does not follow, even if Paul said that people should be married, which he didn't, that doesn't mean that he things sex should be limited to marriage; that's an entirely new concept. "It says that fornication is a sin and that includes sexual relationships with people before you are married" The Bible never says this, you are applying a modern definition to a medieval word. If you do insist on using five century old translations, please do consider learning more about the English of the period so you can avoid these blunders. "regardless of whether you think that you love the person and has a desire to eventually get married and have children, and definitely even more so outside of your marriage." These are all just your personal preference, it has nothing to do with the meaning of the word, it certainly has nothing to do with the scriptures.
Hebrews 13:4 “Marriage should be honored by all, and marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge both the adulterer and and all the sexually immoral.” What this is saying is that marriage and sexual intercourse only within marriage is honorable and any other types of sexual activity are condemned as immoral before God’s judgement.The Bible honors marriage and therefore it is strongly promoting abstinence before marriage. Before marriage, the couple have no binding Union and they have no sacred covenant without marriage vows and they therefore still don’t have the right to have sex without that. It’s more about just love but an official legal binding union and vows. And literally “according to whom”? And “by what authority”? Um…God Almighty’s say and authority. Several Biblical verses state exactly that. That sex before marriage is still a sin by God’s word and authority.
@@HeatherAngus-vj2jq "Hebrews 13:4" This passage does not mention pre-marital sex. "What this is saying is that marriage and sexual intercourse only within marriage is honorable" It literally does not say that, you are inserting your own biases. "The Bible honors marriage and therefore it is strongly promoting abstinence before marriage." That is not true, it is _you_ who are assuming that abstinence is the only morally correct way to honor a future marriage. "Before marriage, the couple have no binding Union " Yes, but somehow people date and meet one another anyways. " and they have no sacred covenant without marriage vows" Covenants are never described as part of marriage in scripture, and they are described separately from marriage. This point doesn't make sense and it is irrelevant. You don't need to be eternally bonded to someone to have sex with them. "and they therefore still don’t have the right to have sex without that." Adam and Eve never had a covenant or marriage vows and yet we all still got here. and of course people can have the "right" to have sex, it's not granted by marriage, it's granted by the willingness of a partner. You don't get to decide how other people behave. "It’s more about just love but an official legal binding union and vows." Yes, of course, duh. Marriage is not sex, they do not operate by the same rule, they do not have the same effects. You are the one trying to force them to be linked when they really aren't. "And literally “according to whom”? And “by what authority”? Um…God Almighty’s say and authority." No darling, everything that was said in support of your conclusion was said by you, not by God or scripture. If you are unable to separate your personal opinion from God you should work on that. "Several Biblical verses state exactly that." No they don't. You are lying. Because if any verse said "exactly that" you would have shown it already, instead of quoting what is essentially a random verse about marriage and then inventing a story about what it supposedly really means. "That sex before marriage is still a sin by God’s word and authority." You made it up. You know that right? This isn't God, this is at best your lack of reading comprehension. You probably only inherited these ideas but they're not from the text and it's dishonest of your to say that they are.
"Today's mission: when your girlfriend/boyfriend asks to have s@x tell her/him that you can't do it before marriage because you are religious and see what their reaction will be!"
Exodus 22:16 KJV [16] And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. But this he did CITE
@@Grokford There are Laws in Levitical law that apply, although that is somewhat less important, basically besides the 10 Commandments, keeping the Old Testament in mind, the New Testament teaches a form of virtue ethics, it teaches a virtue ethical framework, not a simply only a list of everything that is morally permissible and everything that is impermissible, it teaches someone what virtue looks like, what it is to be ethical in hopes to guide their future actions. A tenet of virtue ethics is that you have to study the circumstances in the natural world to know what the virtuous action to take will be, knowing natural facts is an important element for us to know how to act virtuously. Premarital sex may be a sin, but if it's not it's certainly not virtuous nor good if you dont marry that person. If you read Exodus 22:16 KJV, it's obviously a bad thing to have sex with someone and not marry them, the Levitical application would have you marry that person, but as we are not under that law anymore, you would not be forced to marry her but that does NOT mean that it's not a sin nor not immoral. This is a case by case basis as there were also ritual laws, but the distinction is clear in biblical context, for example it was not wrong to eat certain foods because those foods were immoral, it was wrong to eat those foods because God told you not to at the time and it would be openly disobeying God, but it was wrong to have sex with a woman, defile her and not take responsibility because it was immoral. There is objectively nothing good about having sex and not marrying that person, but there are objective benefits to marrying that person, that is good.
@@Grokford You should actually read the Bible. The meaning of FORNICATION is consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, AND SUCH LIKE: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.(that means you will go to hell)
Brother that point is so off kilter i cant even Lol Jesus was not a normal man... he was God in human form so he had no reason (or want) to be married. also, could you imagine being a girl and being married to the literal creator of the universe?
Romans 3:23 Bible For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Romans 6:23 Bible For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord Romans 5:8 Bible But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 10:13 Bible For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord (Jesus) will be saved.”
“Then neither do I condemn you,"Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.” - John 8:11 "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God." - 1 John 3:9 "For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." - 2 Timothy 4:3
None of those said premarital heterosexual sex is a sin. People try to lump premarital heterosexual sex with sexual immorality but it's not the bible is specific what sexual immorality is and premarital sex is not one of them.
@@DrDoerk It says sexual immorality, fornication is not mentioned as part of male and female sex fornication is about mixing with other nations and such.
Honestly, this is disappointing, you go through the trouble of revealing the controversial fact that the Bible never condemns pre-marital sex, and then you repeat folk etymologies based of human tradition. The original Greek has No connotations of marital status, it made no specific claims at all, that’s why modern translations used “sexual immorality” because it was not specific in the original language either. Trying to specify without other biblical evidence is just creative writing. Especially when you push the very modern 1 Man+1 Woman=Marriage idea. There is no definition of marriage in scripture, God is never described as creating marriage. The passages people reference for those claims are explanations for contemporary behavior not rules or claims about all relationships. Obvioisly the Bible readily recognizes polygamous marriages too. … I also hate it when people talk about “God’s standard” when they mean their personal interpretations and opinions. It just reeks of moral negligence and church corruption. … Masturbation is not a sin, that’s silly.
Premarital sex is normal and healthy. It is certainly not "sexually immoral." The Bible never addresses the topic of premarital sex. Oh. You mention adultery. Discuss what the Bible says about that. Heh. You know, for example, the biblical endorsement of different rules depending on which party is married and which party is male or female. That's a fun one. The Bible is a terrible rulebook for consideration of right and wrong.
If you are going by stuff that people did in the old testament rather than by stuff Jesus said (who supported marriage for a man and a woman for life) then you are going to encounter problems. There are also reasons to not do premarital sex that aren't religious.
normal and healthy, that's why birth rates are collapsing, marriage rates are collapsing, divorce rates are increasing, and worst of all SIMP rate is increasing exponentially, you SIMP
@@Grokford Jesus said that he who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery. This implies that leaving your spouse for somebody else, or having more than one partner at a time, is not a good thing. He also said not to look at somebody with lust because that's a form of adultery. That said premarital sex isn't the same as getting married which makes the situation rather bad because then the other person might become somebody else's spouse, which would mean you were lusting for someone who wasn't for you. If you do only have premarital sex with one person and then marry that person, that's not a very good basis for a marriage either because until you're married you're single, and don't know the future, so you shouldn't be taking such risks as sex because it can cause more harm than good for you and the other. That isn't how love should be.
@@mariemunzar6474 Leaving your spouse yes, having more than one partner no. It is not aa divorce to marry two people. " He also said not to look at somebody with lust because that's a form of adultery." No. More accurately, he said looking _to_ lust is an act of adultery. But it's not adultery if there is no agreement or relationship to adulterate. If you are not violating the terms of your relationship then there is no adultery. "That said premarital sex isn't the same as getting married which makes the situation rather bad because then the other person might become somebody else's spouse," Why is that a problem? All of us are many things, am I any less a brother or a son because someone treats me as a friend? "hich would mean you were lusting for someone who wasn't for you." That's not true, marriage is fine but it's not the single domineering relationship of human life. Do we waste our friendship on people who aren't in our lives forever? Do we waste kindness on strangers? Of course not, so why then is Loving(sexually or not) a problem just because they might not be long term fixtures? "If you do only have premarital sex with one person and then marry that person, that's not a very good basis for a marriage either because until you're married you're single" I don't get your meaning, most people are single until they're married. Why should that impact a marriage? "and don't know the future, so you shouldn't be taking such risks" None of us _ever_ knows the future. You are no more guaranteed a partner on your wedding day than you are in your first crush. Marriage is not a change of eternal status, it is a change of current priorities. "you shouldn't be taking such risks as sex because it can cause more harm than good for you and the other." What harm? I don't share the presumption that sex is evil or harmful inherently. And perhaps more importantly, have you considered the harm of the alternative? Sexual shame and ignorance are not without their victims, in fact most of the victims of sex are hurt by ignorance and fear, not by the sex itself. "That isn't how love should be." And who are you to say? Love is infinite, it does no always appear the way you imagine. The real question we ought to be asking ourselves is why is sex(not Love) distinct from other practices and where is it appropriate.
Hello! The Bible does specifically address sex before marriage, because it says that fornication is a sin: Marriam-Webster definition: fornication. noun. "Sexual intercourse between persons who are not married..."
That's not the biblical definition of fornication! How about you learn the hebrew word and definition of fornication. Fornication is also sleeping with father or mother, sleeping with your own brother or sister, sex with animals, when a man has sex with another man, etc. Sex before marriage is a sin for virgin women! Why? Because virgins belong to their father's and a dowry is paid for her. Virgins must also prove that they didn't have sex before marriage by presenting a bloody sheet after the marriage is consummated. If blood is not found, she is to be put to death. That law is not for every woman. NOW, PROVE ME WRONG!
@@klyetruman7285 You're essentially right, but there is no "biblical definition of fornication" the word didn't exist. Translation should rely on creating accurate facsimiles of the original meaning, not on changing another language to fit.
@Grokford The context is key to understanding. Leviticus and deuteronomy never speak ill of sex before marriage, except in the context of a virgin or virgin woman promised to a man.
@@klamb9 “Fornication” is an archaic word that does not mean what it once did. It is not an accurate reflection of the meaning of text. The Bible never prohibits pre-marital sex; that is a cultural notion that was connected with moral terminology.
1:23 This is actually not the case. Nowhere in the Bible is there a definition of sexual immorality. It is, in fact, depending on the context. That means that God did not define it once and for all, but the society we live in does. In western culture, sex is permissible if the partners consent to it while the have the power to decline it. 1:28 That the man leaves the parent's household and moves to the woman's household is a description, not a proscription, so no commandment. If it was a commandment, then there has never been a Christian who followed it, since in patriarchy, the woman moves to the man's household, and in modern western society, man and woman start a new household together. Besides, while Gen 2:24 (which Jesus quotes here) limits the man to one woman, there is no limit given for the number of men the woman can have. This indicates that "God's design", if there is one, is not patriarchal. 2:19 The English translations of this verse is wrong. It does not say "with lust" or "with desire". It says "in order to covet". Jesus is referring to the tenth commandment that prohibits to covet the wife of another man. There is nothing wrong with enjoying the view of a beautiful woman. It is a calling for men to do that. 3:02 There is no evidence whatsoever that sex is bad for the body. On the contrary, there is plenty of evidence that sex is very beneficial for one's health. What Paul is referring to here is the fact that the body of a Christian is the temple of God's spirit, and as such it should not connect to the temple of an idol by having sex with a temple prostitute. 3:15 You have not at all stated what God says in his word. Instead the author only stated what her own bias reads into the text. And she has ignored some important things the Bible teaches regarding sex. The Song of Songs celebrates sex before marriage. The female protagonist says she didn't protect here vineyard, she meets her partner outdoors and wishes he was her brother so she could kiss him in public. That is all evidence for the couple to not be married. The Song of Songs also gives the female protagonist the leading role. That is another blow against patriarchy. In the mosaic law it was entirely permissible for men, even married men, to have sex outside of marriage and have multiple wives and concubines. In patriarchy men suppress the sexuality of women in order to enforce a male bloodline. In Gen 3:15, however, God assigned the bloodline to the woman, even after the Fall. So there is no support for patriarchy in the Bible, and the rules given are based on societal norms. The final blow against patriarchy comes from Jesus himself in Matthew 19 (which the author quotes) when he permits divorce only if the woman commits sexual immorality. So the power to end the marriage is with the woman, and she can only be divorced, not killed, as the mosaic law required.
@@vennie951 This is a manipulation attempt suggesting that I am up against God. I don't think that is the case, and I have already laid out the reasons for that. Nice try avoiding to respond to them.
If you don't like sex? Then you should probably explore asexuality and aromanticism and see if any of that resonates with you. If not, or you historically had a sex drive, then it might be worth exploring if you've had some medical shift recently or added some new medication. Anti-depressants are notorious for reducing sex drive. However how you should respond to that it up to you, sometime the better thing for you health is to keep your medication.
Answer: yes, you are stuck for life in a miserable situation. My wife decided she didn't like sex and that sex was not to be a feature of our marriage right up front. End-of-sexlife. My advice: do not marry someone whom you are not certain you are sexually compatible with.
So what is the alternative for married men when their wives decide to stop having sex like so many married men report, you're taught in the church to wait till marriage for 6:00, only to end up being more celibate than you were when you were single SMH
If those Men cannot have another Women then I guess they can fondle the wife while the wife plays with something unspeakable. Aleast that's one solution.
A young man and a lady escape into the desert when their village is ambushed by a neighbouring village. All their relatives are killed and they are the only ones who have remained. Whilst in the desert, they agree to be married in order to propagate their lineage. Q. Should we say they were not married even in God's eyes just because there was no human witness around? If so, who witnessed Cain's marriage in the bible? If you say sex before marriage is a sin, then also be kind enough to define what marriage is according to the bible as well rather than according to the customs and fear burdened traditions of men.
The Bible seems to describe marriage according to the customs of the time. Solomon is described as having both wives and concubines, recognizing a social difference. But it’s not a great concern because the Bible never prohibited pre-marital sex.
A question which is not really clear here "Any sexual act outside a marriage between one man and one woman" So I personally could take that phase with 2 meaning. -Banning everything outside marriage. -Or it is banning sexual acts outside marriage for already married persons. It should be made clear here what do it actually refers to. And when a translation could get a bit double meaning we should take a bit of double check on the meaning of the original script.
Fornication is sexual immorality which is idolatry Isaiah 57 You have made your bed on a high and lofty hill; there you went up to offer your sacrifices. 8 Behind your doors and your doorposts you have put your pagan symbols. Forsaking me, you uncovered your bed, you climbed into it and opened it wide; you made a pact with those whose beds you love, and you looked with lust on their naked bodies. 9 You went to Molek with olive oil and increased your perfumes. You sent your ambassadors far away; you descended to the very realm of the dead!
Sin is God telling us what is harmful to our soul.......he is saying keep away from Sin to live with peace of mind.......but if you do Sin he wants you to seek him out to get back the soulful peace of mind he wants you to have.......this doesnt apply to all.......some are just plain evil.......but if you slip he is there to pick us up if you will let him.......life here is a learning journey
Better to be judged as unacceptable by the world than to be judged unacceptable by God.
Well I have a degree in biblical studies and I've never seen any scripture which condemns pre-marital sex.
So can I ask what you think I'm missing.
@@Grokford Yes, you can ask. But know that I'm not intimidated by your 'qualification'.
I've some questions for you;
Have you ever read and understood Romans 1:18 to 2:16?
Do you have a relationship with Jesus?
I'm not interested in your answers, just have a think about it.
@@goodviewfromuphere120
"Yes, you can ask. But know that I'm not intimidated by your 'qualification'."
I don't need you to be, but I generally prefer to avoid the shock and awe of people saying that I've never read the Bible because I disagree with them.
"I've some questions for you;
Have you ever read and understood Romans 1:18 to 2:16?"
Well that's an unusual grouping, but I believe so.
Although I'm not sure of the relevance.
"Do you have a relationship with Jesus?"
Also a yes.
"I'm not interested in your answers, just have a think about it."
Well to be frank with you, I find it vaguely rude that you've chosen to respond to a question with some vague moral chastisement.
@goodviewfromuphere120 I hear what you're saying and agree with you with your original comment. There's lots of people who try and justify sin and such. Just keep remembering that one particular part of the Bible right in the beginning when Satan said "You will not surely die"...etc. Same deception, same tactics, just with new generations. Key phrase (part of a verse) is "do not be deceived."
You can't go wrong with a higher standard.
@@DL_Burns
That's an interesting point but I would say that it's strange to not consider the possibility that your perspective could have been brought about through deception.
For centuries upon centuries Christians believed that slavery was ordained by God along with the inferiority of women.
Not two hundred years ago major leaders of American Christianity believed that not only was sex risky but that all sex was immoral along with spices and sugar.
From my perspective Purity culture is an extension of the same flawed tradition.
And I think that it's especially insidious when cultural ideas of sexual purity become more important than the gospel.
QUESTION: How does a single Christian deal with sexual desire in a God-honoring way? "Running" from it doesn't really work.
Not spiritual or sexual advice but alot of religious people just speaking like parrots, I am 34 years of celibacy and i broke Jesus record so take it for what its worth, Ive come to the understanding that lusting is an unatural desire of wanting some thing that some one else has and not being contented with what you have , Jehovah commanded that a man go into a woman then make her his wife, in this modern world they do things in reverse the have a wedding then go into the woman, the bible clearly states the opposite hence the reason i am in this predicament. Ive come to the understanding that prostitution is fornication, the doctor told me i need to do a semen analysis, few days ago i did some STI screenings and i have never had sex in my life of barely if kiss some one, ive been that celibate not because i am scared of women rather of hellfire growing up and also catching diseases i dont eat or drink from people too. with that said so the doctor is causing me to sin my soul and go to help, they say i need prostate check but they must stick a finger up my behind but some how that is not sodomy.. explain me this.,.. its only okay for when a DOCTOR or and EXPERT with their white privilege to do things 😒 then its okay the nurse had to touch my penis and stick a swap up it why?? because the doctor ordered it????
Masturbation is the most common and simple solution, having sex is a more complex alternative.
If you’re not willing to do either of those then maybe a hobby, exercise perhaps?
The former Thai minister of health suggest that the youths play soccer to relieve their sexual frustration, but seeing as that idea has been mocked in every drama for the past decade I don’t think it worked very well.
Get married. But if you're single: Don't turn to masturbation, you'll stay single for a longer time because it takes your motivation away from meeting other women. But don't beat yourself up too much if you cave in once in a while either. Just get fit, go outside and date multiple women if you have to - there's nothing wrong with that until you start taking someone seriously and you're saving a lot of time. If you're still pent up at this point, take a part time job on top of your full time job. Having more money will make it so much easier to start a family down the road.
@@sexysputnik
That is insane advice.
Marriage is not something that you should be forcing yourself into, let alone for the stupid reason of unresolved horniness.
If masturbating stops you from pursuing a relationship then you shouldn't be pursuing that relationship regardless.
@@Grokford Its not for everyone and may not be for you and that's fine. Take it or leave it. But it is for someone who wants to figure out what they want in a woman if they're not already taking their life and her seriously. You also have to ask yourself, if a young man is chronically masturbating then is him being single that good for him? Its not and it means that he's out of his masculine frame from being a husband and a father.
In our society sex is normal but in bible says sex is for marriage only..
That's because it's a Godless society, which is falling apart. Only communities that are built on the foundation of religious morals and principles will hold together for many generations. All religions are designed to communicate a series risk-mitigating instructions, which encourage the preservation, conservation and spiritual growth of individuals and the family unit. I respect and love all religions.
Not really.
there is a kind of disconnect as if its just an activity yet its the only activity that makes life
There were humans on this earth long before Judeo-Christianity existed
Hindi is the oldest known religion. But even the religions of native Americans predate Christianity
Short Answer: Yes.
Unfortunately a lot of the information was wrong.
Biblically it is not wrong
@@klyetruman7285 said no bible ever
@John3.36 Prove it then, where is the scripture in the law of moses?? Show it or shut up. The laws of sex before marriage apply to virgin women and virgin women who are engaged to be married. Why? Because they are the property of their father. You clearly don't know the mosaic law. Get off of RUclips and go study. I'll help you if you need it.
@@klyetruman7285
The Bible teaches that sex before marriage is immoral in a couple of different passages. One is 1 Corinthians 7:2, which says, “But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.” In this verse, marriage is presented as the “cure” for sexual immorality. Sexual union within marriage, which is commended, is set against immorality, which is to be avoided. Thus, any sex outside of marriage is considered immoral. This would have to include premarital sex.
Another verse that presents sex before marriage as immoral is Hebrews 13:4, “Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.” Here, we have both adultery and fornication contrasted with what happens in the marriage bed. Marriage (and sexual intercourse within marriage) is honorable; all other types of sexual activity are condemned as immoral and bring God’s judgment.
i think with some people, they think it is a sin. i think there is a lot of regret, especially with women. physical love and relationships , are things most people that relate soul to love . the idea that someone used you, and did not care for you , must be soul crushing . it's a self punishing sin , that leaves you feeling, unloved and unwanted .
I have a question. Why do people still have sex? Sex is very gross, nasty, messy, and disgusting! I don't see how sex is a good thing. Why don't humans just remove sex from this world? Women can still get pregnant without sex (there's a lot of ways women can get pregnant without sex including artificial insemination). Sex does cause a lot of problems, so the world might be a much better place without it.
All the more reason to not pretend that sex isa sign of commitment or Love.
@@icysnow57cold64
People enjoy sex, if you don't that's fine. Asexuality is relatively common, but most people do like sex, at least a little bit.
GOD IS NOT SOME PEOPLE, IF YOU PRACTICE ANY KIND OF SEXUAL SIN INCLUDING SELF GRATIFICATION YOU WILL GO TO HELL.
What the what
Nonbeliever/former Christian here. I actually admire anyone that enters into marriage as a virgin. But even this is no guarantee of a problem-free, successful marriage. It takes effort from two people to make it work. You will experience pain and hardship in marriage, even if you are both virgins, Christian, and have all the right beliefs.
There’s also a much higher risk of problems, whether that be marrying too soon(because young Christians are horny) marrying someone your incompatible with or just the general fact that if you spend so long avoiding and often fearing sex, that doesn’t just go away when the vows are done.
To say nothing of toxic assumptions about sex or sexual roles, women who wait to have sex until they’re married often suffer much higher rates of vaginismus, which is attributed to them having sex out of obligation rather than genuine desire.
@@GrokfordI hope Noone listens to your terrible ungodly advice. Your path is the path to he'll. Please get on the right path.
You are statistically wrong.
Grokford, if someone fears sex, then they probably don't need to get married. Probably not even date for that matter.
With respect, there is no such thing as a former Christian. You're simply saying you never were on in the first place.
Where does it say you must sign a contract with the state? My question is, how is marriage defined? What if you are committed to one man and he is committed to you your whole lives, but you don't sign a contract with the state?
My beloved late wife & I were first intimate on our second date. It was AWESOME! That was 42 years ago, we married a couple of years after that, I lost her to heart disease 7 years ago. She was the only woman in my life since 1982, including NOW. I look forward to God reuniting us in paradise. If you think I'm going to feel guilty or ashamed about ANY of our years together, you're going to be disappointed.
Right on. I think family and stability should be the goal. Obviously marriage is part of that.
Not saying you should have sex on date number 2 or even date number 300 necessarily. But it's SUPPOSED to happen, eventually. If two young people do it before the wedding happens but remained committed to each other as you and your wife did, I just don't see what's so terrible about that.
@@mattr.1887 I was never a believer in "love at first sight", but that's exactly what it was for us. One of my buddies was supposed to be "set up" with a woman from HER "friend group" at a local bar. That sorta fizzled, but my beloved & I CAUGHT FIRE!!
Dear Lord, I miss her so.
Good for you? 🤷🏿♂️
@ I don't. We were 100% exclusive from that night forward until she passed, 31 of our 34 years together as husband & wife. The Good Lord blessed us both. If you don't like it, I'm OK with that!
Not every can be so fortunate in Merry the right person as you and your wife did. Also, so sorry for your liss
But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
if they cannot contain maybe they should get a therapist?? rather than throwing themselves into marriage. If they can't handle abstaining from physical pleasures, it sounds like they need to work on the strength of their hearts first. Entering the marriage with strength and fortitude for life's different challenges. Marriage isn't all about sex.
@@lalaishappyyy it's just a Bible verse. Not an opinion or comment.
@@goobertgoobert Isn't it amazing that your comment (verse) was able to expose other people's ignorance of the Bible and their ability to quote worldly ways so easily.
@@lalaishappyyy I agree that marriage shouldn't just be about sex however sometimes people have strong desires for romantic relationships/marriage that can warp into sexual/lustful passion when that desire is unmet and they are intimately malnourished. To redundantly deny yourself or others that opportunity because you think one should be able to "abstain" from it is unhelpful and only gonna you feel worse. Not that we shouldn't practice self-control prior to getting into a relationship but some people throughout their lives have had no choice but to abstain from it due to their prolonged singleness.
According to Jesus, you should mutilate yourself. Matthew 18:9.
Paul also talks about self-destruction as a pathway to divinity.
It's okay though, guys. Jesus was in Jewish comedian mode. He didn't REALLY mean what he said.
I guess nobody ever explained this to King Solomon? 700 wives and 300 concubines?
And he is hailed as a hero of the faith!
Yet two Christian kids from Nebraska get a little carried away one night before the wedding, and suddenly THAT'S a big problem..
Solomon was Jewish though.
@@ashekshanto8537 And that means having 700 wives is okay?
@@2267victor Multiple wives is totally allowed in Judaism, regardless of modern Rabbi opinions. We cannot judge Solomon by modern Christian laws which itself is confused about many things.
@@ashekshanto8537 Thou shall not commit adultery? That was old testament. I am far from an expert personally I believe that Jesus was not talking about the God of the Jews I think the story of Jesus was later combined with Judaism to create Christianity.
Yes it is. I know I wish I would have waited until I was married. It is not hard to see the negative consequences of fornicating.
Yes,the aftermath is destructive and takes a lot of victims .Only they don't know it initially...untill you discover why nothing goes as you plan
@@HansRichter-lh9gt wat do u both regret?? like wat happened for y'all to regret?
@petermulinzi1288 that we committed a serious sin ,immoral sexual sin for the sake of pleasure and lust.Becoming one in body and soul.Something sacred and preserved for after marriage live,between and man and a woman.
Promiscuous lifestyle or various sexual engagements mean you unleash all your previous partners' demons onto the one you're having sex with.
It's a sin,immoral, and wrong.How much your ever and justify it,you'll suffer the consequences. Sooner or later. You won't walk free until you repent,refrain yourself from doing it, and receive forgiveness.
@@HansRichter-lh9gt wat consequences did u face in ur case?
that’s wat i’m trying to know
@petermulinzi1288 sorry,fair enough.Guilt ,becoming more aware as one grow older,grow spiritual realizing what despicable sin you've committed in the eyes of the Lord.Apart from becoming one in soul and flesh with the other party,also,opening up to all the demons and bad spirits of all the previous sex partners that person had.
Losing perspective on and of something that is meant to be sacred.
Future trust issues
Often thinking about the fact that your partner was not the first ,even who knows how many before,to share something sacred reserved for someone special. Out of love,not just.
After many years of married life with a loving wive,l often tend to think about .Foolishly as it may seem.
Personal emotions l experience, or,maybe not.Once one realizes how sacred and magic this deed actually means.
I can tell you one thing. I’m 50 and my vision is just fine.
You focus on the wrong word. It's not sexual immorality that makes your case against premarital sex, but sexual greed. Greed is a much more solid notion than immorality, and implies anything you are drawn to out of an insatiable desire to have it. Then you have the third buzzword, impurity, which is a solid 10/10 unmistakable definition of whether you have done it or not.
Of course, all of this means little to nothing as linguistic nuance gets utterly lost in translation. So if you really want to follow the word of God, you better start learning Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, because ANY translation will be an interpretation of the translator, who without cultural competence (where cultural context can shift in as short as a few decades) can not have the innate understanding of the true meaning behind the words, the connotative meaning of the phrases... you know what? I'll just stop here instead of giving you a linguistics course.
Words can carry additional meaning beyond their straight translation. And no amount of paralel texts will teach you the zeitgeist of a culture to capture the nuance of every single word.
To genuinely adhere to the tenets of a religion, it is crucial to consider the cultural context that was present when the religious texts were originally written to understand the vernacular fully. That context is no longer possible to retrieve. All you can do is approximate it to the best of your capabilities, by studying the original language, and reading the original scripture, because even speaking about the imprecise nature of a translation in the language of a translation could be considered a form of the tu quoque fallacy.
Academic rant over...
"You focus on the wrong word. It's not sexual immorality that makes your case against premarital sex, but sexual greed. Greed is a much more solid notion than immorality"
That's very true, but it's also not what the text said.
Sure Greed could cross over into sexuality, but that is just one type of sexual immorality among many.
"Then you have the third buzzword, impurity, which is a solid 10/10 unmistakable definition of whether you have done it or not."
Not necessarily, it's definitely a meaningless buzzword.
But sometimes people can lose their "purity" just from extended time in the presence of the opposite sex.
It's an amorphous turn meant to be used to enforce whatever arbitrary biases of the speaker.
"Of course, all of this means little to nothing as linguistic nuance gets utterly lost in translation. So if you really want to follow the word of God, you better start learning Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, because ANY translation will be an interpretation of the translator, who without cultural competence (where cultural context can shift in as short as a few decades) can not have the innate understanding of the true meaning behind the words, the connotative meaning of the phrases... yo u know what? I'll just stop here instead of giving you a linguistics course."
Very true, but I'd also argue that there are many steps that people can take to improve accuracy of interpretation without learning several ancient languages..
It can be as simple as learning the parts of speech or as complicated as learning how translation works in an entirely separate language..
My studies in anthropology and linguistics certainly have helped me, but I've also spent a lot of time as an interpreter for unrelated languages and that's probably the biggest help to me when it comes to interpreting adjusting for difference in language.
"Words can carry additional meaning beyond their straight translation. And no amount of paralel texts will teach you the zeitgeist of a culture to capture the nuance of every single word."
Amen man, preachin' to the choir.
Thats not what porneia actually means. It means prostitute. Not to justify fornication, but we have to be accurate about the original language and historical context.
The Bible never actually condemns fornication
@@GrokfordTbh this is the toughest thing though to wrap my head around because of the explanation of "fornication" being
@@ApolloBassGuitar
Well the short answer is that "fornication" is a mistranslation, the longer answer is that the translation was correct but English literally changed around it until it was wrong.
I agree that sexual self discipline is definitely a very important virtue. However, whether sex is god or bad in God's eye cannot depend on the approval of a bishop, priest, pastor or state officer. This is most obvious nowadays when the same people also approve same sex relationships. In the bible it was usually the brides father that did the wedding. And fornication is basically voluntarily changing sex partners.
That's my issue. Really whom you could trust to tell you in the first place.
Most Christians think you can “fornicate” without changing partners though.
Jesus didn't up the standard. That a misreading of Mathew 5. The "you have heard it said" wasn't Jesus quoting the old testament but the scribes and Pharisees. And saying "but I say to you" wasn't a law but wisdom on how to become the type of person that would not commit these sins by dealing with the source attitude. The Greek word "a woman" often means "wife" so there is nothing wrong in being attracted to a single woman, that's not adultery anyway. The word "lust" or 'desire" is the same word used for covet in the Greek translation of the ten commandments"you shall not covet your neighbors wife"
Just meaning Jesus wasn't raising the standard just clearing it from religious interpretations. And the law of Moses weren't actually laws, as in legislation,but wisdom..torah is the correct word. And that's what Jesus is doing giving wisdom on how to have righteousness beyond the scribes and Pharisees.
Paul - are you saying that none of the things that Moses stated were laws? I am just trying to be sure that I understand what you are saying, I don't want to misrepresent you.
@@honestplus1756 the ancient world knew nothing of LAWS as in legislation. What we call "law" or more correctly "Torah" are instructions and wisdom for the people of God in the covenant. So you don't need a specific command to know that sex is meant for marriage, wisdom teaches that. Wisdom brings order
The Old Testament scholar John Walton has a number of videos on RUclips explaining what Torah was.
@@Liminalplace1
Would you like to join me on zoom to discuss, if you have time? I would be honored.
@MujahidOfTheRedwoods that was because it disrupted social order and the letter of the punishment wasn't always carried out...eg. King David's adultery and murder . Moses didn't create a legislation but legal saying to give wisdom example to administrators ..it was not intended as LAW.
@@honestplus1756 in our modern times we equate "laws" with legislation but I'm saying the idea of legislation wasn't not how they thought during Moses time. Moses writings uses the Hebrew word "Torah"'which means instruction in wisdom... And it illustrates that with examples. I hope that explains what I mean. Most of the so-called laws of Moses begin with the phrase "If a man" .. if a man finds an indecency in his wife and he gives her a certificate of divorce and sends her from his house..."
They are examples of how to think..not legislation.
Many Hebrew scholars recognize this from comparison with other ancient"law codes"
Matthew 5:27-28 explained correctly. Jesus was not 'upping' the standard. He was pointing out the standard that was there all along.
A bad translation of this verse. In Greek, they don’t have a separate word for “wife” vs “woman”. They are the exact same word and only context can tell you which is which. The point Jesus is making is about adultery. Biblical adultery can only be committed when a married woman is involved. Therefore, the women mentioned here must be married. If she isn’t, then you simply can’t have the sin of adultery. It’s literally impossible.
A more accurate translation from the Greek, "but I say to you that everyone who gazes intently at a [married] woman in order to covet her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
All of a sudden, the whole verse makes perfect sense. Jesus says that if you covet your neighbor’s wife, you’ve as good as committed adultery with her in your heart. The issue is coveting another man’s wife, not noticing an attractive woman.
The Greek word Pros conveys intention. Jesus was talking about intentional, purposeful looking/staring here and that’s the first crucial point. Jesus is not talking about an accidental glance or catching a bit of flesh out of the corner of your eye.
“lust” in that passage is the Greek word “ἐπιθυμῆσαι” (epithumeó). It means to show focused passion as it aptly builds on (Gk epi, “upon”) what a person truly yearns for; to “greatly desire to do or have something - ‘to long for, to desire very much‘
It can be Either One in a Married Couple! If one of them sneaks away to have Sex with someone else, that's adultery! For example... having sex with a fellow employee, before going home to their husband or wife.
Wow. thanks for this information. I have been in the church for 43 years and never heard of this until you wrote it.
Some things that are never talked about by the church - David's multiple wives and hundreds of prostitutes, Jacob having two wives and getting it on with his wives' handmaids, polygamy being acceptable in OT cultures, the punishment for forced rape was to either marry the woman or pay the dowry to her family, no mention of sin or stoning that was punishment for adultery.
There are major flaws in this teaching. She did not quote one Scripture at all. So she gave you the stock Christian answer. She should sit down and be quiet! She missed this by a long shot.
What have you said as a self proclaimed pastor except judging her and fingering here... You should be ashamed of yourself to bear that title.... Instead of you adding what she missed you're attacking which is completely no scripture reference of note
I very much like your videos Mr. Dowell, and I agree, she should sit and be quiet. But I didn't really see the flaw in her statements, she seems to be saying that sex outside of marriage is a sin; is it not? I'm curious which part of her position you disagree with?
She made her point and quoted scripture. Whats your point? She said that it is indeed a sin and proved it with bible verses
@@arthursimango500
Scripture doesn’t have a lot of relevant commentary on specific RUclips Videos or modern Christian politics.
She’s making things up, that’s simply the reality.
@@JamesLotz-h3l
No passage of scripture ever prohibits or condemns pre-marital sex.
If premarital sex is a sin, then I have two questions I would like someone to answer.
1) In Exodus 22:16-17 it says if a man has sex with a woman he either has to marry her or pay a fine to the father. Why would he not be stoned If its a sin considering stoning is the punishment for sins in the Old Testament (ie adultery)?
2) In Leviticus chapter 18 there is a list of sexual sins. Surprisingly premarital sex is not there. Why not if its such a big sin?
@@cashcaleb1873 I think you missed my point.
The original word that they translated to lust also meant covet, and should have been translated to covet instead of lust.
The passage was never meant to demonize normal sexual desire, shaming that is a barbaric and unhealthy practice.
Who and what constitutes as a marriage in the Bible? What were weddings like in the Bible? Are two not married before a ring and paper? I will wait
I would argue It's a sin not to have sex before marrage. Also, never enter into a lifetime monogamous relationship with someone with even knowing if you're sexually compatible. God want you to be happy.
There is nothing in the Bible that supports your claim about sex before marriage, there is also nothing in the Bible that tells us that God wants us to be happy. True joy is only found in the Lord Jesus Christ, and I would kindly encourage you to repent and put your faith in Him. I promise you will experience true joy, much better than temporary 'happiness'
I have always believed that sex-before-marriage was sinful. So I fought the good fight to remain a virgin prior to marriage. To this day I consider this the biggest mistake of my life given what happened. I had no clue that I was making a life-long commitment to someone who was 100% sexually incompatible with me.
God wants us to glorify his name here on earth by our words and actions. This will lead to discomfort at times. It’s not about making ourselves happy it’s about pleasing God.
@@connordiem2834
“For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.”
Jeremiah 29:11 NIV
This sounds like a general statement that God seeks our benefit in some sense.
And I would say that there is no scripture supporting the idea that pre-marital sex is a sin. That is a cultural notion more than anything.
@@GrokfordI read one of the Ten Commandments in my old Bible, it says sex is a gift of God given to married couples, that means a man and a woman married, not anything else
How is Masturbation a sin? I mean you are not having sex with a partner?
@may !! I don’t see it as a sin i see it as a habit that should not grow more then it is
@may !! oh thank you for that and thank you for being level headed about it to just people would bash me mate,lol.God bless!!
@may !! what scripture says that
It’s not a sin, they made that up.
Have you ever masterbaited without lusting?
As an atheist Jew who thinks premarital sex is a must to know that the couple is compatible and don't care what either religion says, I wonder how did I get here?
You got here because God is showing you the error of your ways. He loves you and wants the best for you. His way is the best way.
@@crazymountain777 I think when it comes to premarital sex its a bit too late, I'm married already. I do "sin" in some different areas, but for some reason that's not where god brought me.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those rebels who is trying to be "bad". I live according to my conscience, try to do good when I can. Not here to look for religious people to argue with either, to each their own. I'm just wondering why did RUclips algorithm suggested this video for me.
@@crazymountain777
The idea that pre-marital sex is a sin is more of a cultural idea that an idea inherent to the Bible or the Christian faith.
And there are so problems that come along with that.
So while in theory I have no problem with someone getting married with no sexual experience, practically I really doubt that most people are doing so in a way that’s responsible or accounts for potential problems.
Many young Christians do get married just for the social acceptability of the sex they’d like to be having anyways.
Simple,you're an atheist and won't understand.
I actually agree with you guys, I don’t know why this echo chamber within the Christian community about premarital sex being a sin has persisted. Especially since the rest of the internet has the exact opposite echo chamber.
Here's the problem, one's interpretation of what sexual immorality is can be different from another persons. The bible says sexual immorality is wrong but does not specifically define what it is, man defined it. It can be a host of things. It could mean between two gay people, it could mean anal sex, it could mean a lot of things.
That's the beauty of the Bible. There is enough vagueness to allow multiple ideas to potentially be true.
@@mattr.1887 I feel the sarcasm but it's valid. This is why so many different religions popped up. This is why I do not understand why some state that the bible is inerrant.
Wrong. The word sexual immorality in the Greek is covering all “sexual” sins outside the “marriage” bed. It’s not up for interpretation. Do your research and do your due diligence as scripture teaches you. This is why so many people are compromising things in the Bible because they lack understanding like you just proved. Sex outside of marriage is wrong period. But there is forgiveness but you have to recognize it.
That's actually bs. The Bible is quite straightforward about sexual immorality and defines it pretty clear: homosexuality (whether gay or lesbian), premarital sex, willful negation of procreation are morally wrong, ie. sinful. It's quite clear and if someone is defending different notions, they're either full of shit and/or uneducated.
For example: why was Joseph so troubled with accepting Mary and the Scriptures spin the tale of dream and angel messengers (buttery butter as "angel" by itself means "messenger")? Because being pregnant before marriage was clear sign of premarital sex and it was big no-no in Israelite culture.
Old Testament is clear about the fact that man laying with man (ie. having sex) is so bad that they're both basically dead already.
St. Paul mocked Roman pagans by stating God gave them to their shameful lusts and women were drawn to women in unnatural way, men to men (Romans 1:26-27).
And yes, there are people who try to play with the words and say that Paul used Greek word ἄρσενες in the meaning of "boys", not "men" - ie. Paul is condemning boy-man relations known in Greek culture - or that it have nothing to do with homosexuality at all but cult of Cybele (mother of gods and protectress of Rome), but it's all really sloppy scholarship as OT and NT as a whole are pretty consistent in absolute condemnation of any homosexual acts.
That's not entirely true, man did not define all of it. It specifically lists adultery and fornication as sins, as well as homosexuality and any form of lust. I don't know what version you're reading, but it's there, even if not spelled out to your liking. The Bible is inerrant, and the issue with people who think otherwise is that they're not informed enough to understand the consistency, and sometimes they're just looking for excuses to live the way they want even without realizing it. Sin is black and white, not grey, and it's our responsibility to apply the seemingly "vague" principles of the Bible to the different areas of our life. I don't know what you mean, there's only one religion that adheres to the Christian Bible which is Christianity. Muslims may worship the same god, but based on the claims of a man who came much later and the Koran. Maybe you're referring to different denominations of Christianity, in which case you're right that there are different interpretations of certain things, like baptism for example. There are certain grey areas of the Bible that Christians can agree to disagree over because they aren't as serious, but sin is not one of them. Sexual sin is laid out clearly enough for those willing to listen.
telling single people they can't have sex or masturbate is just stupid to me and just sets people up to fail, its either going to be one or the other its just to unrealistic and every sane Christian knows that,
True. Just like a lot of other sins, it's hard for we - as sinful humans - to resist, which is the whole reason why Jesus died on the cross so that we could be made righteous through his blood.
So you are not a Christian
But as a Christian we need to to call out theirs and each others sins
This video gives a half-answer at best. Thumbs down.
I had sex before marriage but i was 22 by then and I'm still with my first 10 yrs later!❤
@@josephpchajek2685 you're going to compare my love life to your old drug habit? You're a dummy for even comparing the two.
@@josephpchajek2685
That's not a good comparison.
If someone is as sexually obsessed as you are then maybe sex is like heroin.
But that's not how most people are.
@@rondrake77777
"Don't forget to confess the sin of premarital sex."
Pre-marital sex is not a sin.
"I had sex with my wife before our marital ceremony. I lost my virginity to her and am still married to her 8 years later"
I understand that you regret this, but I don't see any inherent problem.
"but I had to repent because all sex has to happen during the timeframe of marriage."
No it doesn't.
Who said that?
Not the Bible.
"Sex outside of marriage is one form of fornication. The other version of fornication is sex right before marriage."
Well the word "fornication" is not used in modern Bible translations and for good reasons, the word has changed in meaning from when it was first used five _hundred_ years ago and it no longer matches what the actual text of the Bible said.
Pre-marital sex is never prohibited in the Bible.
Still about 3% divorce probability
@@jemperdiller
What's your point?
How would one send a direct message on RUclips?
Fornication is a sin
No, the Bible never says that.
@@andrew77733
The word "fornication" is a mistranslation, it hasn't appeared in any modern English translation for almost a hundred years.
I had premarital sex with both my 1st wife & also with my current wife, and was in love each time beforehand. My only regret about having sex before marriage was when I initially lost my virginity to a woman who I WAS NOT in love with, which in hindsight cheapened the experience! I know what the Bible says, but I still try to live my life as a God loving Christian man, who has tried to live my life as rightiously as possible otherwise. None of us is ever "perfect"! That's why God died for our sins! He knows we all screw up from time to time. If we repent our sins, he forgives!
Biblically sex is marriage so the idea of premarital sex doesn't exist.
With that said, sex without the intent of marriage or complete marriage can be classified as a form of sin.
Intent of marriage is immaterial.
If you’ve had 20 failed relationships and you had sex with all 20, it is just like being divorced 20 times. The mental scars are the same. Save sex for marriage if you want to keep your sanity.
Having a few exes is in no way comparable to being a multi-divorceé
@@Grokford It depends on the person I suppose. For me its the same because I DO NOT have casual hookups. I have never dated anyone unless I was crazy about them.
@@jeffpaxton9172
It is different for every person which is why we shouldn't share personal information as universal fact.
If you're only having sex with people you're obsessed with then yes the end of that relationship is going to be more painful than a casual or even a more grounded relationship.
But even a terrible heartbreak is not as bad as many divorces which ware legal and social ordeal in addition to an emotional experience.
Grokford,
I never said it was a universal fact. You said that.
@@jeffpaxton9172
No, you used the general "you", if that's not what you meant that's one thing but you were speaking as if it was a general fact.
It is. It should be done only in marriage, which is what God designed it for.
That's folk belief, the Bible never says that.
@@Grokford Do you know what fornication and adultery are? The Bible says PLENTY about them. You need to re- read it some more.
Sex is very much like a fire. Put in its proper spot, a fireplace (ie. marriage), it can warm your home and give light. But place it anywhere other than your fireplace it will burn your house down.
dude!!!!! "sexual immorality" can have different meanings!!!!
you and I can interpret it differently.
there is no set definition for sexual morality, it can mean cheating on your partner, rape or as small as having lust full desires
Fornication ring a bell?
@@DrDoerk
Fornication is a mistranslation, as you should already well know.
Look at that sinner squirm as he defends his filth
but if only having a simple lustful desire towards someone is already a sin why wouldnt pre-marital sex wouldnt be as well? no sense to me
@@alissonkaykydasilvabatista517 bing bing bing, we got a winner!
You are totally correct!
If everyone would follow this law of confining sexual expression to marriage it's undeniable that there would be a lot less problems in society, i.e. unwanted pregnancy, STDs, broken trust, etc. But above that, my belief is that those who wait until marriage are blessed with a heightened ability to feel the Spirit, and that's where the deeper blessings come from. All this being said, even those who have not kept this law can receive forgiveness and healing through the grace of Jesus Christ.
"If everyone would follow this law of confining sexual expression to marriage"
That's not a law, the Bible never says that.
"it's undeniable that there would be a lot less problems in society"
I beg to differ.
"i.e. unwanted pregnancy, STDs, broken trust, etc."
I'll grant that there would be fewer STDs but that's about it.
I dont think marriage makes inherently makes a pregnancy more wanted.
And I really don't think that having sex or not having sex is going to make a major impact on how often people break trust, at least not directly.
"But above that, my belief is that those who wait until marriage are blessed with a heightened ability to feel the Spirit, and that's where the deeper blessings come from."
Sounds like hokum, not gonna lie.
That's so vague I really don't think that you could prove that even if it were true.
our sexual habits is what matters most. marriage brings emotional, psychological security for all parties involved
Yep, right up t the divorce! All that "security" really comes down to the woman looking at a man and deciding "is he worth divorcing?" if so, they marry and later when the man has gotten his wife the house, had children and worked a good 20/30 years its now time to harvest the big game animal and take him for everything he's got! So many of us bought into the marriage trap, got fooled with sex and paid with everything he had in the divorce decree. Ever heard of MGTOW?
There is some degree of guessing by posters and the author of this clip. Bible verses are clear on some points but not all. I'm not saying its OK because I don't know, but pornography and masterbation are not mentioned in the bible. Lusting after another woman when married is as in the case of King David and Basheba that seems obvious. But the scripture called song of songs is very explicit and some pastors will claim they are married, but that's not clear. Then what about married people that read this passage, is that like reading pornography? Too many question, too many opinions and not enough factual answers.
Masturbation is in violation to none of God's commandment. Anyone who claims it is sin teaches human bids, and is a heretic.
And Matthew 5:27-28 is one of the worst misused verses in the bible.
These verses are horribly taken out of context. First of all: OF COURSE adultery can only be commited as long as there is a marriage included in the situation. If you read the bible in its context you will understand that Jesus adressed the unallowed lusting for another man's wife. Nothing else.
It's about intentional desire to get what is forbidden according to the law.
A single man lusting for(wanting to get) a single woman is of course not sin. How could otherwise a man even search for a wife?
God's word always needs to be read in its context!
Marriage before sex is a huge sin, you never know what you're getting .....
Bro really ?
@Heretohelp124 Sister, the wedding night will reveal everything and you may not like it, if you had a taste beforehand you might have bailed out.
Basically "Try Before You Buy!"
It's like Buying a New Car... Can you take it for a Test Drive, or do you have to Pay for it First?
So you want something that's already tried on by many others before you... You want a second hand vehicle 🚜? 😅
Okay... if you want to go that route, tell me... when you bought your car, did you Test Drive it First? Or did you Pay for it first?
@@MatthewFordVictoria you know what I'm talking about 😅
My shoes aren't full of dried semen and deep emotional baggage.
Good! Glad to hear you've been using protection! LOL
Wait tell me than me and my "wife" have been together for 10 years committed to eachother and our child. Whats the difference when ive seen marriages end withing the first 5 years.
Oh we arent married because of the legal nonsense. We should be allowed to be together without it being a sin when Christians get married, have sex and divorced in less time than me and her have had our family dog.
A Christians model is the Bible, not what has worked for you and your girlfriend.
@@UmamiPapi
The Bible doesn't necessitate marriage for sex though, that's a modern cultural notion.
And he raises a valid point.
Government documentation is extraneous, it can't be the thing that makes sex morally valid.
So why should we condemn a committed long-term relationship and praise teenager marrying eachother?
You're coming from an american societal perspective and not biblical.
Mmm, do explain citing biblical sources that are compelling.
God is right. Every sin brings to distruction.
I had a Religion subject in college and our professor is a nun. I forgot what she said word for word but the context is - Sex is exclusive for husband and wife and not with all the girlfriend and boyfriend you'll have. If one engage in pre-marital sex, more often than not it's actually because of lust and pressure but to not feel guilty about it, they'll say it's because of love. Lastly, she said that not everything that makes us happy is good for us anyway, so it'll be best to think of how we can make God happy and pleased instead.
It is a sin commited by 99% of Couples
Not all
@@betht7591 there goes that damned comment. I did say 99%!!!
It's a sin
Incorrect.
My kinda girl. I've never met someone like her in reality. Anyone know if she's married? I live by the principles she discussed in this video, coming from a Vaishnava (Hindu) background.
Jesus says be ye perfect like your father in heaven is perfect
It's important to realize that the era of Jesus's teachings also demanded that women obey and submit to their husbands. So a man could marry a woman without any worry about what kind of wife she would be, and a woman would accept that whatever kind of husband he was, she was prepared to be obedient to him. He could be a total lout and an a**hole, but she had no choice but to do as he asked and stay silent. And she could insist on not doing certain things, and he had the authority to force her or force his way on her. (It wasn't a NICE thing to do, but it was his RIGHT, and no one would interfere, because the roles were understood.). That was the general culture. It's actually remarkable that we've come this far as a society that men and women find value in legitimately caring for each other, wanting to be kind to each other, and reaching compromises (at least, in SOME cultures... in many, it's still back the way it was 2000 years ago). And I think entering a marriage knowing your sexual compatibility is an important part of that. THAT SAID, the GOAL is ONE person you find to be your partner, not a high body count. And you can pretty much figure out sexual compatibility LONG before the actual ACT. I mean, that's what 1st, 2nd and 3rd base are all about. And really, just making out with someone you care about is a thrill to make last for as long as you can.
It is interesting to hear this from an American or European person because it seems everyone is doing pre-marital sex.
Yes, but then the Bible never prohibits pre-marital sex.
exactly the thing is when you have sex with some one you need to stick with them and stand with them especially if the person gets pregnant because the orphan children is a plague to society thats why a marriage certificate and witnesses is to force accountability your word is your bond@@Grokford
@@AviatorDark
Sex and commitment are entirely different things. We only set people up for failure when we tell them otherwise.
Sex doesn't even morally obligate commitment.
Obviously people are responsible for their children, but that has nothing to do with a marriage relationship.
Marriage is a socio-legal contract that is primarily meant to protect the members of the couple. In periods where parental obligations were not recognized yes it also included protections for children but largely the two are unrelated.
@@Grokford it prohibits fornication so what do you base that statement on
@@Fatelvis2
Not quite, fornication did not imply pre-marital sex when it was first used in translation five centuries ago, that connotation grew out of cultural biases, which are closely linked to the loss of inheritance rights for bastards in Britain.
The original Greek and Hebrew never made any mention of pre-marital sex. The addition of pre-marital sex to the understanding of the term "fornication" was quirk of socio-linguistic history.
"Fornication" has not been used in new English translations of the Bible for the better part of a century. Instead translations tend to favor the more general "sexual immorality" which is closer to the original meaning of the text.
Simple answer is no unless you sleep around.
I think that you can sleep around too.
Discernment is valuable but still.
You're going off love of sin, not Bible.
So sayeth you@@UmamiPapi
@@UmamiPapi
What sin is that?
I'm not actually sexually active, so it's not that I can't control myself or that I'm some sort of sex addict, it just doesn't seem right to me that people should be shamed for something the Bible never condemns.
When God created the Institution of marriage (and family) He wanted a husband and wife to make a covenant with Him - a 3 strand chord which cannot be easily broken. Not only that. God is pure and He wants us to be pure in our behaviour. Sex before marriage excludes God from the marriage covenant. I also feel that this is why so many relationships fail down the track. Certainly it was in my case. The marriage failed after 10 years. I determined that of God was to provide me with another spouse i would wait until God could properly bless the union.
"When God created the Institution of marriage"
Now when did he do such a thing as that?
"He wanted a husband and wife to make a covenant with Him"
When did he say that
"Sex before marriage excludes God from the marriage covenant."
How? And How do you know that?
If you read about the fate of the Amalkite women aka the virgin women you will see that the bible does condone sex without being married to the partner.
Glory to God!!!
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Matthew 5:27-28 is a MISTRANSLATION from the Greek....it doesn't say "looks at a WOMAN", it actually says "looks at a WIFE"
Which means a man who even looks at ANOTHER MAN's WIFE with lust has already committed adultery in his HEART
That is the correct translation.
That's actually not true, it's heavily mistranslated but this isn't better exactly.
@@Grokford How is this not better?
It's infinitmisally better.
Adultery by definition of THE MOST HIGH is a married woman having sexual relations with a man who is NOT her Husband.
With that definition in mind,
The Matthew verse correctly translated makes so much more sense:
Looking at another man's wife with desire but not acting on that desire is still committing adultery in the HEART.
Now compare that to the MISTRANSLATED version Modern Christianity uses:
Looking at ANY unmarried woman with desire equals ADULTERY, a sin which commands DEATH as punishment.
See how TERRIBLE the mistranslation used by Modern Christianity is?
Adultery is ONLY when it's between a married woman and a man she is NOT married to.
@@EriPages
Well the problem is that the Greek doesn't mention Lust(it mentions desire), but it does say "in order to" which implies concious choice as compared to other English translations that condemn all sexual interest in general.
" is a married woman having sexual relations with a man who is NOT her Husband."
In this case it's the opposite, Jesus is talking to married men.
"See how TERRIBLE the mistranslation used by Modern Christianity is?"
I agree that the current translations are bad, but it's just that it's not the biggest flaw.
"Adultery is ONLY when it's between a married woman and a man she is NOT married to."
Well as I said, this statement is being directed towards married me, I'm tempted to believe that this isn't a gendered subject.
Many faithful servants of the Lord had multiple concubines/girlfriends to go into, including Priests. God gave them many beautiful women to delight in. (Abraham, King David and many more). Please check the bible and do not simply listen to what man says.
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These guys celebrated sex outside of marriage. And they were heroes of the faith. But that was all before God changed the rules.
King David also murdered a man. Just because God is using you for his greater glory doesn't mean your not human. Everyone human in the Bible except Jesus sinned and that doesn't mean its ok, it just means they were flawed like we are.
The Lord does not even mention sex between the unmarried. So why be troubled with another burden?@@mattr.1887
Remember, the Lord approved having additional wives/women. Kings were not allowed to have too many wives - "“And he shall not acquire many wives for himself, lest his heart turn away, nor shall he acquire for himself excessive silver and gold.” Deuteronomy 17:17"@@pickles8098
No, it isn't.
Times have changed, and so have people's values.
Nowadays, fewer and fewer people take that "Bible" fiction seriously.
I hope this channel gets bigger
So what if they do sex before marriage and after they get married then is it a sin or wht ?
It's not a sin regardless.
What's done is done right? What happens afterwards? Getting burnt in hell for eternity or what?
No. That's the reason why Jesus died on the cross; to make us righteous through his blood and get saved. We are born sinners and are incapable of keeping every single commandment.
If you repent, understand and accept that you're unable to save yourself and the only way to be saved is through Jesus, you will be saved.
So in ancient Israel men were not expected to wait until marriage to have sex women were seen as sexual commodities if a man wanted to have sex with a woman she wasn't allowed to refuse however if he did have sex with her he was expected to marry her because she would be considered "damaged goods." I would suggest you do scholarly research and see where the data leads instead of just believing whatever your pastor tells you and looking for ways to justify your own personal agenda. And I would also suggest that you check out Dan McClellans RUclips channel
you're right, but she is probably a young college student so It's not surprising that she doesn't have scholar-level expertise.
Premarital sex or “fornication” is wrong and a sin, even if you think you love the person, because you are still disrespecting the idea of marriage.
The Bible never condemns or prohibits pre-marital sex.
And it doesn’t disrespect marriage, what does that even mean.
Yes pre-marital sex is a sin and disrespects the idea of marriage. Have you not read the Bible or something? Because that’s literally what it says. God intended for sex to be marriage and reproductive purposes only. He also stated that “every man should have their own wife and every woman should have their own husband.” That means that He does prohibit pre-marital sex or “fornication”. It says that fornication is a sin and that includes sexual relationships with people before you are married, regardless of whether you think that you love the person and has a desire to eventually get married and have children, and definitely even more so outside of your marriage.
@@HeatherAngus-vj2jq
"Yes pre-marital sex is a sin"
According to whom?
By what authority?
For what reason?
Because you say so is not sufficient.
"and disrespects the idea of marriage."
I fail to see how.
In fact, from my perspective treating marriage is if it were the vehicle for sex is so ludicrous that it diminishes both marriage and sex.
"Have you not read the Bible or something?"
I have indeed, I have a degree in theology and I'm afraid that they don't give those out for being pretty.
"Because that’s literally what it says."
No. Incorrect.
The Bible literally never prohibits pre-marital sex. It makes maybe one specific allusion to it.
"God intended for sex to be marriage and reproductive purposes only."
The Bible definitely never says that.
Paul(in 1 Corinthians 7) referred to sexlessness in marriage as some sort of deprivation, so clearly sex involves some sort of mutual satisfaction apart from duty and reproduction.
"He also stated that “every man should have their own wife and every woman should have their own husband.”"
You might need to check your sources because it sounds like your misquoting from memory.
Paul explicitly states that remaining unmarried is preferable.
"Now to the unmarried a and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do."
1 Corinthians 7:8
"That means that He does prohibit pre-marital sex "
That does not follow, even if Paul said that people should be married, which he didn't, that doesn't mean that he things sex should be limited to marriage; that's an entirely new concept.
"It says that fornication is a sin and that includes sexual relationships with people before you are married"
The Bible never says this, you are applying a modern definition to a medieval word.
If you do insist on using five century old translations, please do consider learning more about the English of the period so you can avoid these blunders.
"regardless of whether you think that you love the person and has a desire to eventually get married and have children, and definitely even more so outside of your marriage."
These are all just your personal preference, it has nothing to do with the meaning of the word, it certainly has nothing to do with the scriptures.
Hebrews 13:4 “Marriage should be honored by all, and marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge both the adulterer and and all the sexually immoral.” What this is saying is that marriage and sexual intercourse only within marriage is honorable and any other types of sexual activity are condemned as immoral before God’s judgement.The Bible honors marriage and therefore it is strongly promoting abstinence before marriage. Before marriage, the couple have no binding Union and they have no sacred covenant without marriage vows and they therefore still don’t have the right to have sex without that. It’s more about just love but an official legal binding union and vows. And literally “according to whom”? And “by what authority”? Um…God Almighty’s say and authority. Several Biblical verses state exactly that. That sex before marriage is still a sin by God’s word and authority.
@@HeatherAngus-vj2jq
"Hebrews 13:4"
This passage does not mention pre-marital sex.
"What this is saying is that marriage and sexual intercourse only within marriage is honorable"
It literally does not say that, you are inserting your own biases.
"The Bible honors marriage and therefore it is strongly promoting abstinence before marriage."
That is not true, it is _you_ who are assuming that abstinence is the only morally correct way to honor a future marriage.
"Before marriage, the couple have no binding Union "
Yes, but somehow people date and meet one another anyways.
" and they have no sacred covenant without marriage vows"
Covenants are never described as part of marriage in scripture, and they are described separately from marriage.
This point doesn't make sense and it is irrelevant.
You don't need to be eternally bonded to someone to have sex with them.
"and they therefore still don’t have the right to have sex without that."
Adam and Eve never had a covenant or marriage vows and yet we all still got here.
and of course people can have the "right" to have sex, it's not granted by marriage, it's granted by the willingness of a partner.
You don't get to decide how other people behave.
"It’s more about just love but an official legal binding union and vows."
Yes, of course, duh.
Marriage is not sex, they do not operate by the same rule, they do not have the same effects.
You are the one trying to force them to be linked when they really aren't.
"And literally “according to whom”? And “by what authority”? Um…God Almighty’s say and authority."
No darling, everything that was said in support of your conclusion was said by you, not by God or scripture.
If you are unable to separate your personal opinion from God you should work on that.
"Several Biblical verses state exactly that."
No they don't. You are lying.
Because if any verse said "exactly that" you would have shown it already, instead of quoting what is essentially a random verse about marriage and then inventing a story about what it supposedly really means.
"That sex before marriage is still a sin by God’s word and authority."
You made it up.
You know that right?
This isn't God, this is at best your lack of reading comprehension.
You probably only inherited these ideas but they're not from the text and it's dishonest of your to say that they are.
Yes the bible DOES mention sex is a sin outside of marriage
Can you point where in the Bible?
I don't think it does, what passage are you talking about?
@@andrew77733
The word "fornication" is a mistranslation, it hasn't appeared in any modern English translation for almost a hundred years.
The wisest man in the Bible had hundreds of concubines. Apparently.
What a great video. Your delivery of the information is perfect:). Impressive.
Unfortunately a lot of the information was wrong.
"Today's mission: when your girlfriend/boyfriend asks to have s@x tell her/him that you can't do it before marriage because you are religious and see what their reaction will be!"
What’s immoral about two single consenting adults giving eachother pleasure? Nothing. Case closed.
I Sometimes wonder what prompts some people to be so publically concerned with other peoples private lives??????
Sex before marriage is not even cited by God in scripture.
Exodus 22:16 KJV
[16] And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.
But this he did CITE
@@andrejones2147
Cool, but we’re not under Levitical Law.
@@Grokford There are Laws in Levitical law that apply, although that is somewhat less important, basically besides the 10 Commandments, keeping the Old Testament in mind, the New Testament teaches a form of virtue ethics, it teaches a virtue ethical framework, not a simply only a list of everything that is morally permissible and everything that is impermissible, it teaches someone what virtue looks like, what it is to be ethical in hopes to guide their future actions. A tenet of virtue ethics is that you have to study the circumstances in the natural world to know what the virtuous action to take will be, knowing natural facts is an important element for us to know how to act virtuously.
Premarital sex may be a sin, but if it's not it's certainly not virtuous nor good if you dont marry that person. If you read Exodus 22:16 KJV, it's obviously a bad thing to have sex with someone and not marry them, the Levitical application would have you marry that person, but as we are not under that law anymore, you would not be forced to marry her but that does NOT mean that it's not a sin nor not immoral. This is a case by case basis as there were also ritual laws, but the distinction is clear in biblical context, for example it was not wrong to eat certain foods because those foods were immoral, it was wrong to eat those foods because God told you not to at the time and it would be openly disobeying God, but it was wrong to have sex with a woman, defile her and not take responsibility because it was immoral. There is objectively nothing good about having sex and not marrying that person, but there are objective benefits to marrying that person, that is good.
Fornication....
Translation issue.@@DrDoerk
The question is beyond obsurd.
All you need to do is read God's word. why ask foolish questions.
It's as foolish as asking if murder is a sin.
And sadly a large part of the population think both fornication and murder is okay..... what had the world gone to?
Pre-marital sex is never listed as a sin in scripture, that is folk belief.
@@Grokford You should actually read the Bible.
The meaning of FORNICATION is consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other.
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, AND SUCH LIKE: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.(that means you will go to hell)
I'm supposed to take advice on sex from someone who died a virgin?
Brother that point is so off kilter i cant even Lol
Jesus was not a normal man... he was God in human form so he had no reason (or want) to be married. also, could you imagine being a girl and being married to the literal creator of the universe?
Also... he made the entire sex process so yes LOL
The Jesus handed down to us today might be a mix of fact and legend.
Romans 3:23 Bible
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Romans 6:23 Bible
For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord
Romans 5:8 Bible
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 10:13 Bible
For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord (Jesus) will be saved.”
Matthew 7:21-23
Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in.
“Then neither do I condemn you,"Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.” - John 8:11
"No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God." - 1 John 3:9
"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." - 2 Timothy 4:3
Very good response with Bible verses. God bless you
None of those said premarital heterosexual sex is a sin. People try to lump premarital heterosexual sex with sexual immorality but it's not the bible is specific what sexual immorality is and premarital sex is not one of them.
@@granddaddyofthemall6320do you not know what fornication is?
@@DrDoerk It says sexual immorality, fornication is not mentioned as part of male and female sex fornication is about mixing with other nations and such.
In The old Testament if you lay with a woman You were married in God's Eye's
The Bible never says that though, in fact Levitical Law specifically mentioned them separately.
I wish someone would make a video about sex chat before marriage Video calls and such!!!!????
I would also like to see people talking about sex with their potential sexual partners.
If you can’t discuss it then you’re not ready.
Use the brain God gave you. If looking with lust is sin sexting is absolutely sin. It's astounding you need it spelled out.
It is better to avoid sin than to escape death.
Sex isn't a sin.
Honestly, this is disappointing, you go through the trouble of revealing the controversial fact that the Bible never condemns pre-marital sex, and then you repeat folk etymologies based of human tradition.
The original Greek has No connotations of marital status, it made no specific claims at all, that’s why modern translations used “sexual immorality” because it was not specific in the original language either.
Trying to specify without other biblical evidence is just creative writing.
Especially when you push the very modern 1 Man+1 Woman=Marriage idea.
There is no definition of marriage in scripture, God is never described as creating marriage. The passages people reference for those claims are explanations for contemporary behavior not rules or claims about all relationships.
Obvioisly the Bible readily recognizes polygamous marriages too.
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I also hate it when people talk about “God’s standard” when they mean their personal interpretations and opinions.
It just reeks of moral negligence and church corruption.
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Masturbation is not a sin, that’s silly.
This is actual madness lmao. Next thing ppl are gonna be saying homosexuality is bad (it's not)
😂😂😂 next thing. Its been said 2k years ago
So say it the almighty GOD. Homosexuality is an abomination
Gayness has always been bad
You're a Christian or you're not. If you don't believe the Bible you're not.
so what can you do to avoid sexual seen and temptation?
Premarital sex is normal and healthy. It is certainly not "sexually immoral." The Bible never addresses the topic of premarital sex.
Oh. You mention adultery. Discuss what the Bible says about that. Heh. You know, for example, the biblical endorsement of different rules depending on which party is married and which party is male or female. That's a fun one.
The Bible is a terrible rulebook for consideration of right and wrong.
If you are going by stuff that people did in the old testament rather than by stuff Jesus said (who supported marriage for a man and a woman for life) then you are going to encounter problems. There are also reasons to not do premarital sex that aren't religious.
normal and healthy, that's why birth rates are collapsing, marriage rates are collapsing, divorce rates are increasing, and worst of all SIMP rate is increasing exponentially, you SIMP
@@mariemunzar6474
Jesus never supported or commanded heterosexual monogamy.
He only ever mentioned it.
@@Grokford Jesus said that he who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery. This implies that leaving your spouse for somebody else, or having more than one partner at a time, is not a good thing. He also said not to look at somebody with lust because that's a form of adultery. That said premarital sex isn't the same as getting married which makes the situation rather bad because then the other person might become somebody else's spouse, which would mean you were lusting for someone who wasn't for you. If you do only have premarital sex with one person and then marry that person, that's not a very good basis for a marriage either because until you're married you're single, and don't know the future, so you shouldn't be taking such risks as sex because it can cause more harm than good for you and the other. That isn't how love should be.
@@mariemunzar6474
Leaving your spouse yes, having more than one partner no.
It is not aa divorce to marry two people.
" He also said not to look at somebody with lust because that's a form of adultery."
No. More accurately, he said looking _to_ lust is an act of adultery.
But it's not adultery if there is no agreement or relationship to adulterate.
If you are not violating the terms of your relationship then there is no adultery.
"That said premarital sex isn't the same as getting married which makes the situation rather bad because then the other person might become somebody else's spouse,"
Why is that a problem?
All of us are many things, am I any less a brother or a son because someone treats me as a friend?
"hich would mean you were lusting for someone who wasn't for you."
That's not true, marriage is fine but it's not the single domineering relationship of human life.
Do we waste our friendship on people who aren't in our lives forever? Do we waste kindness on strangers? Of course not, so why then is Loving(sexually or not) a problem just because they might not be long term fixtures?
"If you do only have premarital sex with one person and then marry that person, that's not a very good basis for a marriage either because until you're married you're single"
I don't get your meaning, most people are single until they're married.
Why should that impact a marriage?
"and don't know the future, so you shouldn't be taking such risks"
None of us _ever_ knows the future.
You are no more guaranteed a partner on your wedding day than you are in your first crush.
Marriage is not a change of eternal status, it is a change of current priorities.
"you shouldn't be taking such risks as sex because it can cause more harm than good for you and the other."
What harm?
I don't share the presumption that sex is evil or harmful inherently.
And perhaps more importantly, have you considered the harm of the alternative?
Sexual shame and ignorance are not without their victims, in fact most of the victims of sex are hurt by ignorance and fear, not by the sex itself.
"That isn't how love should be."
And who are you to say?
Love is infinite, it does no always appear the way you imagine.
The real question we ought to be asking ourselves is why is sex(not Love) distinct from other practices and where is it appropriate.
The bible talks about fornication. What is your understanding of this term?
"Fornication" is no longer used in English Bible translations for inaccuracy.
The Bible never even addresses pre-marital sex.
Hello! The Bible does specifically address sex before marriage, because it says that fornication is a sin: Marriam-Webster definition: fornication. noun. "Sexual intercourse between persons who are not married..."
That's not the biblical definition of fornication! How about you learn the hebrew word and definition of fornication. Fornication is also sleeping with father or mother, sleeping with your own brother or sister, sex with animals, when a man has sex with another man, etc. Sex before marriage is a sin for virgin women! Why? Because virgins belong to their father's and a dowry is paid for her. Virgins must also prove that they didn't have sex before marriage by presenting a bloody sheet after the marriage is consummated. If blood is not found, she is to be put to death. That law is not for every woman. NOW, PROVE ME WRONG!
"Fornication" is an English word, it does not match the Greek or Hebrew texts.
@@klyetruman7285
You're essentially right, but there is no "biblical definition of fornication" the word didn't exist.
Translation should rely on creating accurate facsimiles of the original meaning, not on changing another language to fit.
@Grokford The context is key to understanding. Leviticus and deuteronomy never speak ill of sex before marriage, except in the context of a virgin or virgin woman promised to a man.
If Adultery is premarital sex what is Adulterated huh ?
Premarital sex isn't adultery, its fornication. Also condemned in scripture. Adultery always refers to someone who is married.
@@klamb9
“Fornication” is an archaic word that does not mean what it once did. It is not an accurate reflection of the meaning of text.
The Bible never prohibits pre-marital sex; that is a cultural notion that was connected with moral terminology.
How can it be a sin as man made it one thru its lies of the church
I’m bisexual at this point I’m just gonna go back to being asexual and not like anyone or anything
No it is not cause we never sinned.
1:23 This is actually not the case. Nowhere in the Bible is there a definition of sexual immorality. It is, in fact, depending on the context. That means that God did not define it once and for all, but the society we live in does. In western culture, sex is permissible if the partners consent to it while the have the power to decline it.
1:28 That the man leaves the parent's household and moves to the woman's household is a description, not a proscription, so no commandment. If it was a commandment, then there has never been a Christian who followed it, since in patriarchy, the woman moves to the man's household, and in modern western society, man and woman start a new household together. Besides, while Gen 2:24 (which Jesus quotes here) limits the man to one woman, there is no limit given for the number of men the woman can have. This indicates that "God's design", if there is one, is not patriarchal.
2:19 The English translations of this verse is wrong. It does not say "with lust" or "with desire". It says "in order to covet". Jesus is referring to the tenth commandment that prohibits to covet the wife of another man. There is nothing wrong with enjoying the view of a beautiful woman. It is a calling for men to do that.
3:02 There is no evidence whatsoever that sex is bad for the body. On the contrary, there is plenty of evidence that sex is very beneficial for one's health. What Paul is referring to here is the fact that the body of a Christian is the temple of God's spirit, and as such it should not connect to the temple of an idol by having sex with a temple prostitute.
3:15 You have not at all stated what God says in his word. Instead the author only stated what her own bias reads into the text. And she has ignored some important things the Bible teaches regarding sex.
The Song of Songs celebrates sex before marriage. The female protagonist says she didn't protect here vineyard, she meets her partner outdoors and wishes he was her brother so she could kiss him in public. That is all evidence for the couple to not be married. The Song of Songs also gives the female protagonist the leading role. That is another blow against patriarchy.
In the mosaic law it was entirely permissible for men, even married men, to have sex outside of marriage and have multiple wives and concubines. In patriarchy men suppress the sexuality of women in order to enforce a male bloodline. In Gen 3:15, however, God assigned the bloodline to the woman, even after the Fall. So there is no support for patriarchy in the Bible, and the rules given are based on societal norms.
The final blow against patriarchy comes from Jesus himself in Matthew 19 (which the author quotes) when he permits divorce only if the woman commits sexual immorality. So the power to end the marriage is with the woman, and she can only be divorced, not killed, as the mosaic law required.
@@georgheinrich5224 Long explanation. Ultimately the only one you need to “convince” is God. Think about that.
@@vennie951 This is a manipulation attempt suggesting that I am up against God.
I don't think that is the case, and I have already laid out the reasons for that.
Nice try avoiding to respond to them.
@@georgheinrich5224 Not meant as a manipulation. Some of us believe that our relationship with God is our most important relationship.
@@vennie951
Thanks for the clarification. And I do believe that, too.
What if you don't like it, you're just stuck huh ??
If you don't like sex?
Then you should probably explore asexuality and aromanticism and see if any of that resonates with you.
If not, or you historically had a sex drive, then it might be worth exploring if you've had some medical shift recently or added some new medication.
Anti-depressants are notorious for reducing sex drive.
However how you should respond to that it up to you, sometime the better thing for you health is to keep your medication.
Answer: yes, you are stuck for life in a miserable situation. My wife decided she didn't like sex and that sex was not to be a feature of our marriage right up front. End-of-sexlife. My advice: do not marry someone whom you are not certain you are sexually compatible with.
If you have to ask the question then you haven't studied the scriptures well enough. Yes it is.
So what is the alternative for married men when their wives decide to stop having sex like so many married men report, you're taught in the church to wait till marriage for 6:00, only to end up being more celibate than you were when you were single SMH
If those Men cannot have another Women then I guess they can fondle the wife while the wife plays with something unspeakable. Aleast that's one solution.
A young man and a lady escape into the desert when their village is ambushed by a neighbouring village. All their relatives are killed and they are the only ones who have remained. Whilst in the desert, they agree to be married in order to propagate their lineage. Q. Should we say they were not married even in God's eyes just because there was no human witness around? If so, who witnessed Cain's marriage in the bible?
If you say sex before marriage is a sin, then also be kind enough to define what marriage is according to the bible as well rather than according to the customs and fear burdened traditions of men.
The Bible seems to describe marriage according to the customs of the time.
Solomon is described as having both wives and concubines, recognizing a social difference.
But it’s not a great concern because the Bible never prohibited pre-marital sex.
Yes sex outside marriage is a sin. It’s called fornication. Fornication is a sin.
Fornication is a mistranslation, the Bible never actually condemns or even mentions premarital sex.
Unfortunately your diploma mill failed you
Take this video down, this is false teaching..
Cite scripture to debunk it , heretic.
A question which is not really clear here "Any sexual act outside a marriage between one man and one woman"
So I personally could take that phase with 2 meaning.
-Banning everything outside marriage.
-Or it is banning sexual acts outside marriage for already married persons.
It should be made clear here what do it actually refers to. And when a translation could get a bit double meaning we should take a bit of double check on the meaning of the original script.
Fornication is sexual immorality which is idolatry
Isaiah 57
You have made your bed on a high and lofty hill;
there you went up to offer your sacrifices.
8 Behind your doors and your doorposts
you have put your pagan symbols.
Forsaking me, you uncovered your bed,
you climbed into it and opened it wide;
you made a pact with those whose beds you love,
and you looked with lust on their naked bodies.
9 You went to Molek with olive oil
and increased your perfumes.
You sent your ambassadors far away;
you descended to the very realm of the dead!
Sin is God telling us what is harmful to our soul.......he is saying keep away from Sin to live with peace of mind.......but if you do Sin he wants you to seek him out to get back the soulful peace of mind he wants you to have.......this doesnt apply to all.......some are just plain evil.......but if you slip he is there to pick us up if you will let him.......life here is a learning journey
Sure, but God never condemns pre-marital sex.
not what im saying......for me i wasnt into one night stands with chicks....had tons of opportunities but it wasnt my thing@@Grokford
Hell no
You're a heathen and this video is on the Bible.