War for Iokath (pt.3): Elara and Quinn full dialogue

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  • @Linkforlife199
    @Linkforlife199 5 лет назад +196

    Sith Warrior: "Quinn would never betray me again, not after I threw him across the room a couple times after luring me into a trap and trying to kill me."

  • @lorekeeper2611
    @lorekeeper2611 6 лет назад +158

    God damn Quinn’s voice acting is heart wrenching! I’ve never really had the stomach for a lot of the dark side choices cause I’m a wimp, but holy crap!

    • @KaiSaeren
      @KaiSaeren 6 лет назад +19

      Agreed, I dont really care for Quinn but man I certainly had the feels when he was killed or broken up with, the begging especially :(

    • @james739123
      @james739123 5 лет назад +2

      you have more strength then you give yourself credit for

    • @aaron75fy
      @aaron75fy 3 года назад

      only fools allow a once traitor to be free, death is too good for him

    • @ultrademigod
      @ultrademigod 3 года назад

      @@aaron75fy It always bugged me that I didn't have any other options but to let him get away with betraying me the first time.
      I'm glad that very unsithy choice was put right eventually.

    • @historytank5673
      @historytank5673 2 года назад

      Same

  • @WorkGalaxy47
    @WorkGalaxy47 5 лет назад +155

    Gotta give props to Elara's voice actor, she did a pretty good job with the voice acting!

    • @Luke_Danger
      @Luke_Danger 5 лет назад +26

      Elara's an amazing character... it's just tragic that to see the best of her you have to be an asshole or a vile scumbag.
      Naturally, she's hated because she will take Dark Side players to task.

    • @charlesockholmes9764
      @charlesockholmes9764 4 года назад +2

      I was thinking the exact same thing. I may want to play with the english voices, after all...

    • @advena996
      @advena996 4 года назад +7

      Yeah, I really like Elara, and that she is one of the companions who stands by what she believes.

    • @GOODYGOODGOOD789
      @GOODYGOODGOOD789 2 месяца назад +1

      I do always like a character who has no problem with telling it how it is during a choice-based game, especially on an evil playthrough.

  • @christopherjones5700
    @christopherjones5700 5 лет назад +90

    lmao look at therons face after you kill quinn and say "this is what happens to those who betray me"

    • @Unavailable_Username.
      @Unavailable_Username. 4 года назад +12

      Sneaky foreshadowing even though he played double agent

    • @minablackmoor9601
      @minablackmoor9601 4 года назад +8

      I won't lie... I giggled so hard at that part 🤣 Especially since my warrior romanced him 💀

  • @Gboy86ify
    @Gboy86ify 4 года назад +78

    Quinn is such a tragic character. He was forced to make an impossible choice between the SW and Baras and chose wrong. Fate was cruel to put him in that position when all he wanted was to be a good soldier.

  • @KaiSaeren
    @KaiSaeren 6 лет назад +120

    Say what you will about swtor's lack of content but man its gotta take a lot of work and a lot of dedication to keep up with all the player choices, even just the major ones. Most people never notice the differences but its gotta be done.

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  6 лет назад +10

      KaiSaeren I agree... Getting every Elara line was especially difficult... Then again, there's a line I didn't get from her :/

    • @KaiSaeren
      @KaiSaeren 6 лет назад +2

      @@Roksik Not to piss you off, but which one? :D

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  6 лет назад +5

      KaiSaeren her reaction to the trooper killing Aric. I put it in as a datamined line but I'm pretty sure it's in the game

    • @leothewhiteranger
      @leothewhiteranger 5 лет назад +4

      Oh absolutely, you can TELL this is a Bioware RPG, the level of detail is... stunning.

  • @Drakhesh
    @Drakhesh 4 года назад +26

    11:15
    Good lord, I love female Sith Warrior voice actress there. The pure vitriol she invokes with her voice is just perfect. You can feel every ounce of built up rancour toward Quinn.

  • @RexVenge95
    @RexVenge95 3 года назад +24

    Lol Elara is so anti-empire. So on my warrior, I sided with the reps on Iokath then back with the imps on Onslaught. Since she's still an available companion, I put her in Pierce's old Imperial uniform and am enjoying the irony

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  3 года назад +12

      That's just cruel xD

  • @cavik977
    @cavik977 6 лет назад +40

    Geez, Dorne sure gets vicious in this part
    Wish non romanced Quinn could be imprisoned without having him beg for mercy.
    0:41 Says the gal who wanted to secure a superweapon herself

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  6 лет назад +22

      Still gotta respect the people who call the PC out on their crap. Too bad they often get the short end of stick in the fan community, like say Koth.
      I don't think he can be imprisoned right away. My pureblood male SW is light sided and those are still the options he gets.

    • @advena996
      @advena996 4 года назад +4

      I know, right? I appreciate Elara and her strength of character.

    • @MegaOgrady
      @MegaOgrady 2 года назад +1

      @@Roksik People are weak and can't handle being judged for their actions

  • @Straswa
    @Straswa 6 лет назад +23

    Thanks for the vid, good stuff.
    12:29 See Theron, that's what happens to TRAITORS!!!

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  6 лет назад +12

      straswa he's been sooo uncomfortable throughout the whole dlc I wasn't even surprised to learn he's the traitor :(

  • @GOODYGOODGOOD789
    @GOODYGOODGOOD789 2 месяца назад +3

    I do love how Elara Dorne completely denounces you if you're dark side and/or with The Empire. She's already given up all her loved ones to defect to the Republic and do what's right, so she may not like it but she knows that she has no choice but to make a similar decision again, and completely cut ties to you if you're dark side and/or with The Empire. After all, it may hurt her for hating you but that's never stopped her before, so that won't stop her again. Dorne's too strong to turn a blind eye to what's wrong, it doesn't matter if it's the Empire, The Republic, her superior officer(s), or even her loved ones, and she hasn't changed over these six years (debunking the idea that compassion is a form of weakness.
    On a similar note, I do feel bad for a romanced Elara whose trooper was dark side and/or with The Empire. She spent her life in a family that raised her to be an Imperial, then she realized what she was doing was wrong so she decided to defect. But once she defected no one trusted her until she was transferred into Havoc squad (and while she'll still be trusted more by your Trooper and The Republic as a whole whether or not or romanced her), and she fell in love with its commander. She said "I haven't taken the time for personal relationships since I came to the Republic. Not until now." After awards you can say "You deserve to be happy." and she'll respond "I think I'd forgotten what the feeling was like." The person who made her so happy when she needed it, the person who loved her, and she loved back, the person who she married, and wanted to raise a family with, the person who allowed her to bring her brother back to her, who was one of the few people left who made her happy, and who once she went missing wanted nothing more to find despite being removed from the best squad in the Republic (yes I know she gets removed regardless of if you romanced her), was a person she knew she had to oppose to do the right thing. Because in the end "the easy way isn't always the best way" is a lesson ingrained in Elara Dorne, she has been taught it better than anyone, and the galaxy wants to remind her of it at every conceivable opportunity.
    Honestly, I think being a Trooper whose dark side and/or with The Empire is the worst betrayal you can give Elara Dorne or anyone for that matter, yes it's right up there with Saul (who we should call) Karath's betrayal of Carth. But Elara was given the same choice she had when she chose to defect and she made the same choice.
    Call me biased because knowing you could romance Elara Dorne and that she was a defector was what made me pick up the Trooper storyline on Taris again, after getting tired of it, and I like characters that call out people doing bad things in any story, but this is just how I see it.
    I do love how Elara drone is the only companion that will break up with you if you have a certain alignment, because love, compassion, affection, warmth, kindness (directed towards her), those are all luxuries that she learned long ago to let go of if she needs to, and if given the chance to give them all up for what's right again presents itself it's not a choice she'll always do what's right. Kira Carsen, Doc, Lieutenant Felix Iresso, Nadia Grell, Corso Riggs, Ensign Ranna Temple, Vector Hyllus, Make, Vette, and Ashara Zavros are all light side companions who don't care if you're dark side but Elara Dorne does care about who you are more than anything else, because to her doing what's right purely because it's what's right is the most important aspect of a person and if you don't show that then you don't deserve to be with her is what she thinks. I liked Elara Dorne before War of Iokath but afterwards, I not only liked her but respected her, because she's truly a person who puts her money where her mouth is and backs up her moral standing with actions, shows true strength when she is willing to cut ties to even the closest to her, and is the only romanced companions to call you out for your horrible actions, and never puts up with them. And all of that deserves respect.

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  2 месяца назад +1

      @@GOODYGOODGOOD789 I'd almost forgotten what her storyline is like, but this analysis... Oof, it cuts deep

    • @GOODYGOODGOOD789
      @GOODYGOODGOOD789 2 месяца назад +1

      @@Roksik Thanks. Also, 2:34 just for clarification that symbol in the background (the dark side symbol behind the spire), means that you've done more dark side than light side decisions during KOTET and KOTFE.

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  2 месяца назад +1

      @@GOODYGOODGOOD789 I might need to go back and recheck it, but off the top of my head I'm pretty sure it's all about whether you took Zakuul's throne, simple as that

    • @GOODYGOODGOOD789
      @GOODYGOODGOOD789 2 месяца назад +1

      @@Roksik Okay, but please tell me if you're wrong and misremembered in this case.

  • @GOODYGOODGOOD789
    @GOODYGOODGOOD789 2 месяца назад +1

    2:34 Just for clarification that symbol in the background (the dark side symbol behind the spire), means that you've done more dark side than light side decisions during KOTET and KOTFE.

  • @sky-sight
    @sky-sight 5 лет назад +31

    I cant help but feel bad for quinn specially when killing him after making him beg

  • @olivercharles2120
    @olivercharles2120 4 года назад +13

    Fun fact: The Sith Warrior is the only class that can obtain both Quinn and Elara (provided that you side with the Republic)

    • @John-Stark
      @John-Stark 3 года назад +4

      Yeah, SW has alot to gain from siding with the republic on Iokath... Wish I knew Vowran would replace Acina if she bit the dust...

  • @andrewwales8827
    @andrewwales8827 4 года назад +10

    I wish we could have gotten this kind of break-up with Kira when she came back. I did so sooooo many horrible things in KOTET and she is just cool with it lol

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  4 года назад +9

      Perhaps she only cared about the emperor's defeat

  • @stanmarsh9656
    @stanmarsh9656 5 лет назад +15

    I could never kill malavi quinn, I do play both sides of the factions. True Quinn had orders to follow with darth baras and six years later with empress acina, but he’s worked so hard for the Sith empire for me to kill a hardworking soldier (in my eyes)

  • @bartoszpastuszak257
    @bartoszpastuszak257 6 лет назад +19

    I must admit after all this bad choises with Quinn, killing him or ending romance with him when u finally came to good options especially those with romance resume it made me cry 😂😂

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  6 лет назад +3

      Always gotta end up on a happy note, got it ^__^

  • @TheOneWhoReportsForDuty
    @TheOneWhoReportsForDuty 3 года назад +5

    As much as I hated Quinn after his betrayal I will give him props for attempting to come back.
    To bad I have the option to “make up” for lost time

  • @alecwyse7047
    @alecwyse7047 5 лет назад +15

    11:20 divorce for those who hate paperwork and are cheap... 😂

  • @DarthRevan7235
    @DarthRevan7235 4 года назад +12

    Yeah, personally for me I can't really make myself to kill the people who were close to me even if its a video game and consequences are no matter in real life. Just that the feels are really pulled by the creators of these conversations that it makes me empathetic to them so much. Quinn is the best example, he spent so much time and most of his life searching for the emperor's wrath but if the player chose to kill him, it would make me feel super bad for Quinn. His loyalty shows a lot of investment and sacrifice he has given. Damn my feelings

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  4 года назад +3

      I'd say it's mostly a bone to those players who couldn't stomach forgiving him after his betrayal in the vanilla story. It was an understandable tactical decision then (people started to struggle without their only healer companion), but a bad one for storytelling.

  • @aaron75fy
    @aaron75fy 4 года назад +6

    I remember seeing a post on FB asking what we'd do to Quinn, it seems they weren't kidding about being able to kill him

  • @morganfreeway9342
    @morganfreeway9342 6 лет назад +13

    The return of Roksik!

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  6 лет назад +4

      Heeey yes I'm alive! :D

  • @Braidedheart
    @Braidedheart 5 лет назад +5

    That look he gives after the kiss is like how we all want to be looked at! My gosh!! 😍

  • @morinthshepard6567
    @morinthshepard6567 4 года назад +2

    Elera is one tough woman .... great voice acting throughout the whole game as well beautiful british accent... Empire 4 ever :-)... pushing my sith warrior .... this is like the citadel dlc ...finally giving me the posibility to skewer the rat "that´s wonderful"

  • @tramiel3057
    @tramiel3057 5 лет назад +4

    FOR THE REPUBLIC!!!!

  • @necromage843
    @necromage843 5 лет назад +6

    If they will bring her back then I wonder how elara Will react if you sided with the empire in iokath but afterward side with the republic (especially to the trooper class)

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  5 лет назад +1

      No reaction from her yet. The alliance at large doesn't know about the double-crossing yet

    • @necromage843
      @necromage843 5 лет назад +3

      No you don’t understand i mean if you fought against the republic on iokath but sided with the republic on ossus

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  5 лет назад +2

      @@necromage843 still no comment

  • @assassinsden7478
    @assassinsden7478 6 лет назад +4

    For the sake of your future video on the Nathema Conspiracy, I wish to provide some information on some of the flags you may need to look for. For most of them, based on your videos now, you've got what you need, and you'll figure out what those flags are based on what you see on the first run. However, there are 16 class specific options that you may or may not have characters for. I will provide those flags for the class below, while revealing as little about the story as possible.
    Jedi Knight: Whether you are Light or Dark Side.
    Jedi Consular: Whether you are Light or Dark Side.
    Trooper: Whether you sided with the Republic or with the Empire on Iokath
    Smuggler: Whether you chose to aid the Republic or taking the Pirate Fleet after beating the Voidwolf
    Sith Warrior: Whether you killed or spared Baras
    Sith Inquisitor: Whether you aided Khem or Zash after joining the Dark Council
    Bounty Hunter: Whether you killed the Supreme Chancellor or Darth Tormen
    Imperial Agent: Whether you're a Double Agent for the Republic, or a loyal Agent (Hand of Jadus or not, doesn't matter).
    The Jedi alignment specifications are at the time of the cutscene; I had a DS Jedi Knight at the end of Corellia that turned back to the Light had the same NPC as my LS all the way through Guardian.
    All the other flags are choices during KOTFE/KOTET. I did my best not to spoil anything if you haven't been through the flashpoint yet, but the ones listed are the ones that require you to build characters from scratch and power level them through content.

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  6 лет назад

      Assassin's Den I greatly appreciate the information! I did research this already however (thought the smuggler is about the alignment but this sounds right) and recorded 5 of the 16 cutscenes. Sadly I'll still need three more alts to get all of them. I needed to romance Mako and Nadia anyway so two of them will not do to waste. But I did shoot myself in the foot with my cathar JK's shifting alignment :/
      At least all these three alts already exist and are levels 35 to 50.
      Still need to take them through the campaigns for the romances' sake.
      *Groans *

    • @assassinsden7478
      @assassinsden7478 6 лет назад

      Roksik I can be certain for sure when I get my Akaavi romancer through KOTFE and KOTET, since he did the pirate fleet thing, yet he's mostly LS otherwise. If your Nathema video isn't out by then, I'll let you know.

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  6 лет назад

      Assassin's Den kotfe chapter 9 wasn't fixed in today's patch so I'll probably need more time =\

  • @ingolf82
    @ingolf82 2 года назад +1

    watch Theron's expression after the female Sith warrior kills Quinn and says "anyone that betrays me will share Quinn's face", it says it all if you know what happens later in the story

  • @RecoveringLoLAddict
    @RecoveringLoLAddict 5 лет назад +3

    4:22 Oh god
    It's like SFM face slider

  • @roman_elitist
    @roman_elitist 5 лет назад +4

    Ayyyyy I like Quinn so much I couldn't ever kill him!!!!! :'(

  • @OldBeanUK
    @OldBeanUK Год назад

    Watch this Lis, you can actually pinpoint the second where his heart rips in half, annnnnnnd now 14:59

  • @HamisGood12
    @HamisGood12 Год назад

    What lightsaber is that at 16:34 ?

  • @elmaster48
    @elmaster48 6 лет назад +1

    YES! You came back

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  6 лет назад

      elmaster48 I DID! And even almost put Copero together! Alas, there's a bug preventing me from grabbing the last few dialogue lines but it's a big bug so it should be fixed soon.

  • @BlackKaiserDrake
    @BlackKaiserDrake 4 года назад +1

    God I feel bad for Quinn. He genuinely hates what he has to do if it goes against you.

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  4 года назад

      Do you mean here or back in vanilla game?

    • @BlackKaiserDrake
      @BlackKaiserDrake 4 года назад

      @@Roksik Both.

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  4 года назад

      @@BlackKaiserDrake idk but in the original I felt like he was more sorry that he lost than that he had to betray out trust. With the romance there's some nuance but without it... eh, I'm not convinced.

  • @karlrovey
    @karlrovey 4 года назад

    My knight won't kill Quinn, but my Warrior sure will.

  • @SithEmpiredidnothingwrong
    @SithEmpiredidnothingwrong 2 года назад

    Oh no. I usually play my Sith chars as pretty evil, full of hatred and twisted humour Dark Lords ( or Ladies, in that matter xD )
    Lying and accepting bribes? Sure!
    Commiting genocides on their path to power? Yeah, why not.
    But that Quinn's death scene was too evil even for me. Jesus, forgive me for watching that video, heh.
    Alright, maybe Senya's death was sad as well, cuz I started new main characters because of that xD.

  • @doomblackdragon
    @doomblackdragon 4 года назад

    I am a little confused with the not in love options for the female trooper and male warrior. Did they add romance for these character in a patch?

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  4 года назад

      It's been a while but i don't think so? Can you give me a timecode?

  • @javadan123
    @javadan123 4 года назад

    QUINN!! QUINN!! QUINN!! QUINN!!

  • @AdachiSimp
    @AdachiSimp 5 лет назад +8

    this made me hate Elara, truly. No matter your choices, Quinn still has loyalty to you, still comes face to face despite the consequences, while Elara sounds like a kid having Tantrum if you either side with the empire or kill people in a war, those decisions are morally questionable yes, but she also switched sides, which sounds really hypocritical and she for sure would kill Imperial People if ordered to do so. Quinn showed that despite years and choices, you won his loyalty over Baras, while Elara showed that the Republic, that she isn't even born into, is more important.

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  5 лет назад +12

      Somehow the fanbase always hates characters who dare to disagree with the player. Koth is probably the biggest example. It takes gall to disagree, imo.

    • @noctusvolpes
      @noctusvolpes 5 лет назад +2

      @@Roksik For me it was more of a "Wow, thought she would have understood my choice here considering her background".
      Didn't hate her for it though, just thought it sucked that my first time through as a trooper siding with the Empire I'd lose Dorne

    • @ullinator
      @ullinator 5 лет назад +4

      @@noctusvolpes well i lost her even though i sided republic so thats dissapointing. Still love that they accually made your choices count

    • @myself2noone
      @myself2noone 3 года назад +4

      She has princables and lives by them. Really I kind of admire that.

  • @kamata93
    @kamata93 3 года назад

    So you can kill Quinn but not Elara? Lame…

  • @Roadman1000
    @Roadman1000 4 года назад +3

    Killing Quinn is the single most satisfying action you take in this game

  • @aaron75fy
    @aaron75fy 3 года назад

    I hate this storyline, because I found it unpassable. after eliminating all the enemies I raced all over the place but could not find a place to put the final device

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  3 года назад

      It's been a while since I plaued Iokath, what mission are you talking about?

    • @aaron75fy
      @aaron75fy 3 года назад

      @@Roksik it happens after you choose a side (pub or imp) where you have to run around planting turrets barriers and that laser thing, I end up needing one more spot for the laser but finding no available place to put it. I managed it once in my life but no clue of how I did

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  3 года назад

      @@aaron75fy Oh right, that one. I played it so many times that I was able to activate everything without backtracking back in the day. And with a bit of backtracking these days

  • @knightofliberty9297
    @knightofliberty9297 4 года назад +4

    Quinn is better than Elara. Always.

    • @Roksik
      @Roksik  4 года назад +1

      Seen a lot of people who were happy to kill him just in the comments alone though

    • @Hjalmar_an_Craite
      @Hjalmar_an_Craite 4 года назад +2

      @@Roksik Edgelords, simply edgelords.