Palpatine was the most powerful Sith of all time. Managing to do what no other Sith has ever done. Destroy the Republic from the INSIDE. But he never got laid....
Siddiq Ismail That and he suffered the same fate of countless before him, his apprentice got tired of his shit. I don't see anyone double-crossing Darth Imperius. Tis truly better to be loved than to be feared. If you are feared, then abandoning or betraying you in a time of weakness is the first thing your followers will do. If you are loved, they will endure Hell and high water to protect you from your enemies.
Anthony Clay Actually, he had contingency plans in case of his death. He transferred his consciousness into clone bodies. Sidious just wanted power and to rule the galaxy. He merely saw followers as a mean to achieve his goal.
I'm aware. Again, it just seemed like Kallig got more done with less bloodshed. For comparison, Palpatine kicked off a long and life wasting conflict to cement his position as Emperor. Kallig decisively ended a major battle and scored a seat on the Dark Council, and he's still got plenty of life ahead of him!
Anthony Clay It's Kallig. Also, on top off all that, you know what makes him even worse? the Emperor was a racist. Or specist. The Emperor was in his 80s when he took over. What did he do when it was finished? Did he just sit on his throne saying "I've got unlimited power! Both politically and physically!.... K... now what?". Kallig was young, scored a hot togruta, mastered a rare technique, became on of the 12 Sith rulers of the Empire(the Emperor basically disappeared and told them to run everything).
From what I've seen, Ashara seems more like she turned slowly to a Gray Jedi. I thought she would have turned into Jaesa with less crazy but instead she went Gray Jedi. I like that, she seems very committed to stay on a side she seems to want to change from within, to help however she can.
i personally would like it if swtor would give the option to sith players to become grey jedi or something there of. tbh i think some players who go jedi might want to do so as well but it seems like it would be more of a thing a light sided sith would do
I am curious. If you play straight dark side all the way, can you still romance her? and if you can, does her attitude differ any? does she lean more dark to reflect you or are her decisions and dialog the same no matter what?
@@Boringspy Because the Grey Jedi are a power fantasy which is just broken for Star Wars. If someone can do Dark Side things from time to time and not get corrupted by the force then it would make the whole concept of the jedi irrelevant. And Troughout Star wars games and movies it was shown that true grey jedi cant really exist with few minor exeptions. Those exeptions are Either A: Apathatic Jedi that cant do anything they are neutral and cowards they cant do anything, that would be Yoda between Ep3 and 5, Bendu that is basicly a rock, Jolee Bindo who also basicly couldnt do anything and just waited for the death til he decided to join the party of Revan which turned him either to the light or darkness. B: "Technical Grey Jedi" but actaully Light Jedi, that would be those that are not in the Jedi Order but still live by the Jedi way of staying in balance of the force, Ashara is one of them then of course Ashoka as well and some other. C: Dark Side Jedi that manage to withstand the Dark Side Corruption for a while, by using the Dark Side rarely and usaly in self defense (technicly), Count Dooku is noticble one. Which is quite rare because on some the force corrupts much faster Anakin for example (okay might be bad writing) got corrupted in like 10 minutes til he forgot why he even wanted that power.... his own spirit was basicly locked away. Corruption of the Force or Dark Side is basicly Heroin... its basicly impossible to stay clean and using it the correkt way :D SWTOR makes stuff abit simple so it works better for an Story driven MMO with Choices. The Amount of killing you do as either Sith or Jedi would affect much more then just saying nice things in some speech que xD not to mention that some of the Dark side Light side choices are very random, like preserving Sith History and knowledge gives you Light Side points in some quest thats very wrong :D
A force sensitive who does not let his emotions rule him, and does not repress them either. Not a sith who is blinded by greed or anger, and not a Jedi who is blinded by apathy or conviction. That is why Revan was such a cherished idea.
I love this romance above the others because of how unique it's setup is. Star crossed lovers, but without the angst. They talk about their viewpoints and philosophies, they respect each other as Master and Apprentice, and most of all, they show that in the (perhaps surprisingly) bleak universe of Star Wars; there is a hope for true peace between Jedi and Sith.
Anthony Clay Yeah, this is probably one of the best written star wars romances ever. "Star crossed lovers, but without the angst." That's a good way to look at it. There's something sweet about two people loving each other and continuing to do so, even when some high-minded authority figures won't let them marry.
I like the middle approach and think it's very well written (outside of you butchering her masters in front of her and she's like "meh may as well help you anyway") though i'm curious if u can be dark side and still romance her? My character was quite the pragmatist but did fall well within the dark side (did not tolerate treachery, had a bit of an honor code and kept his side of the bargain but generally could be harsh at times).
Fabricator-General Antonello star crossed lovers basically means a relationship between that's is unapproved by some authority figure/figures. I don't know where the term star crossed originated from but that's basically what it means.
ruclips.net/video/eatIzqwB2dA/видео.html Christ died for your sins and rose on the third day, showing that anyone who trusts in him for salvation, will have everlasting life. (John 11:25-26) "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" (John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Revan did understand this that is why he had as many followers, and allies that were so powerful to walk the path of a gray Jedi is freedom and peace together.
Oh, okay. I thought there were differences between some races. Still, in my opinion the voice somehow fits the human best. As the voice of the female Jedi Councilor fits the Mirialan best IMO...
21:34 If I hadn't been lounging in my bed I would've fallen off the couch hearing what Ashara was humming there! Oh my GOODNESS!!! I have to say, this romance really, really adds dimensions to the characters. This Inquisitor is...a lot like how I think I'd be in the Star Wars universe: Grey Sith. :-)
Okay, I just got to say, I love this whole video on how a sith inquisitor can be such a sweet guy to a jedi girl who loves him back. But what really sticks out in my mind is 24:19-24:37. Ashara makes it clear she really cares about her identity as a jedi, enough that she wants the Jedi counsels permission to marry. The Sith Inquisitor in this video could, of course, just say "you don't need their permission, let's get married without it", But what does he do instead? He respects her wishes like any sweet guy would and says "So let's go get their permission." Cue a big chunk of affection earned from Ashara, just for caring about what she wants to do instead of brushing it off. Sure Ashara looks pretty disappointed and sad that the jedi council won't say yes anytime soon, but to me that grand 327 affection leap just screams "I have the best, most patient, tolerant, and kindhearted boyfriend in the galaxy!" I wrap my mind around that, and just...WOW! Imagine a Sith Lord who has the courage to and is willing to go to the heart of the Jedi Order, practically the Lion's Den for a sith, all because he loves one person, one jedi, enough to risk his safety just to ASK for permission to marry her. Not demand it, but simply ask. Just...Oh, what the heck, the Light Side Sith Inquisitor is one of the sweetest Sith Lords in all the Star Wars Universe! JUST ADMIT IT! YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO!
Andrew Neilan I've never gotten very far with a Sith Inquisitor, but something I would like trying is going nothing but Dark Side until Ashara comes into the picture, then go Light Side with her love being redemption. Cliché, but I like it.
Sure, if you're willing to spend a ton of time undoing dark points and building light points. Not that it's that hard. Go for it, if you think it'll be awesome.
Andrew Neilan Agreed. They should've done something with this romance story arc similar to what they did with the SW/Jaesa romance - where only the LS Inquisitor could romance Ashara.
Well, I will say the lightside romance where the inquisitor treats Ashara's Jedi beliefs with respect is a more stable romance that makes more sense. In the darkside version, as genuine as the inquisitor's love for Ashara still is (maybe), it's still pretty, well, dark; and definitely abusive. If he's not outright tempting her towards the darkside, he's simply torturing her both emotionally, and with force lightning. At least in the lightside version, killing Ashara's Jedi masters was reluctantly done in self-defense. But in the darkside version, he killed Ashara's parental figures just to manipulate her into following him. I would think the darkside version is a pretty good example of what can realistically happen when a bad guy has a soft spot for a girl, but still remains an evil person. I read in the news about all those young women in an abusive relationship with their boyfriend, thinking they can "save him." That's just crap. Harley makes the same stupid mistake with the Joker. Being in an abusive relationship places a girl in some very real physical, emotional, and spiritual danger. So while I don't like the darkside version of the romance, I'd say it's still good that the ugly reality of it can be seen. It is good to know the difference between wholesome and dangerous relationships.
I love a light side Sith it contradicts beautifully. Romance between him and Jedi is like Romeo and Juliet with the dying part. Thanks for making this Fluffy.
If they went to the Jedi Council (SWOTR edition) Sith: I want to marry Ashara. Jedi: no, you are sith. I have to kill you Sith: I don't want to hurt you (LS++) Jedi: prepare to die, sith
@@Reverse_Hood thats not exactly true all of this is a game between jedi and sith that started long before lightsabers existed its a game to see who'll die first and besides the jedi are pompous assholes remember the sith code is a guideline not a way of life like the jedi code
@@CICellDirectorCairmann been trying to explain that to everyone I know and its like the hardest thing they have ever had to understand or comprehend 🤣😂
Thee ARE good Sith. The problem is that Sith don't turn away from the Dark Side, which can easily lead to evil deeds and corruption, that is makes the Sith dangerous. The Dark Side is very tempting, and if yo don't turn away from it at all costs like the Jedi do, then you run the risk of falling prey to it. Gray Jedi are similar, as they don't follow the Jedi's teachings and rather follow their own conscience, but they still turn away from the Dark Side.
My first Light-Side Imperial character was a Sith Warrior. I wanted him to end up with Jaesa, but that requires beating damn near every expansion just to get to one cutscene, and I don't think he can swerve on Lana for that long.
I appreciate the attention the writers paid to her slow slide from grace. Dialog was given to support her disillusionment with the Jedi order and how she initially rejected all things sith but in the end actually admitted that peace was indeed a lie. I wish Jaesa Willsam had been given the same treatment. Her fall by contrast was poorly done. If you play darkside, she abandoned everything she stands for without a second though.
It does kind of make sense for Jaesa to rapidly go off the deep end. Much of her life and ideals were revealed to have been lies or manipulated, breaking the foundation of her personality. Left adrift, it is the Sith Warrior's choice on how to rebuild her.
To me, my romance with Ashara as a DS Inquisitor meant a lot to me. IRL, I was once a discriminatory person who didn't show much compassion toward others who were different (I wasn't transphobic, racist, homophobic or anything like that, I just didn't understand them for who they were), and because didn't want to express those feelings IRL, I did it in SWTOR because Jonas'ara (My character) was a safe way of getting those emotions out on my enemies (NPC's not other players) because he was me in the Star Wars universe. But then when I knew his goals of how he didn't like intolerance of other races when explaining his goals to Ashara, and how he loved her for who she was even though she was an alien. That changed me (along with other outside factors) into being a more tolerable and kind person IRL, and when I got Jonas'ara to KOTFE, I switched to making mostly LS choices to reflect that change (although made a few small DS ones to prove I was still impure). And when I read Ashara's message in chapter 4 about how much she missed me and loved me, I got misty-eyed because Jonas' relationship with Ashara taught me that love has no boundaries, that being different isn't bad, and that the world isn't always what it seems. I know that may sound too immersive or stupid to some, but it shows how games can change people IRL
Ashara recently returned in update 5.8. When I saw the news, I was so shocked to finally see her return after so long. While I could've gotten her back in KOTFE by using the companion searcher, I wanted to wait for a true legitimate return, and that finally happened. I was so excited that I literally reinstalled SWTOR and bought another membership (as I stopped playing the game several months back) just so I could do this mission. When Jonas'ara (me) stepped forth and saw how much she changed, my eyes swelled up with tears at how happy I was to see how far my apprentice had come. My romance with Ashara helped me become a better person IRL over a year ago, and her reunion reminded me of how far both my character and myself have come.
There is no light. There is no dark. There is only gray, to walk this line will make you more powerful than either side. Revan knew this and it made him the most powerful jedi of his error.
+LoveingTT She's a Togruta. You are a human/twi'lek/sith pureblood/rattatki/whatever. In the Star Wars universe those species your character (originally) could be match up genetically and can get kids, but they cannot match with a Togruta.
LoveingTT Well, to be fair Clone Wars/Star Wars Rebels tend to say 'fuck you' to any established lore not from the movies, and SWTOR came out before that character came into being. Besides which, with Disney taking over anything not in the movies and the series Clone Wars & Rebels have been moved into the 'Star Wars Legends' canon while the new stuff will be the new expanded universe. Which means SWTOR is part of the Legends Canon.
+BobTheArchmage Not even going to begin to pretend I don't wholeheartedly agree with everything in that post. Touche. Also, while I know it to be true, it hurt to hear that swtor was going to be relegated into the legends canon.
LoveingTT I feel ya man. Though I have to correct something I said earlier. Twi'leks couldn't crossbreed with Humans prior to The Clone Wars series making it possible, so there's that. At least not without some serious Sith Alchemy and/or gene manipulation going on.
I've seen people whining about Ashara beng unlikable and the whole romance bad... And this is actually a very good storyline and her character is interesting, not as flat as some others in the game. It actually makes me want to play inquisitor. :>
I never get tired of hearing how gun-ho and blood-thirsty the Jedi are towards a Light-Side Sith. Like that dumbass Organa on Alderaan who is voiced by Yuri Lowenthal. Ah yes, Nomar, who after being convinced you're just trying to be nice after you reunite him and his old flame and leave in peace convinces himself that you're still an evil bastard and attacks you with his Padawan, getting them both killed.
+spikegilfer1997 There is also a part in the warrior story where you meet two jedi on a space station. They are expecting a fight and you're like "Nope I don't have a beef with you, see ya" and one the jedi gets angrier and attacks you.
In a few moments in the story it is suggested that losses and constant fighting brought by the war made the Jedi more vengeful and agressive then they normally would be. Padawans like Ashara and some of the Jedi you encounter as Sith character lived their whole lives in the shadow of the galactic war and trained knowing they will have to fight a brutal and marciless foe. It all makes sense to me, after so much pain and pressure, along the Jedi that can endure it you have both those that can't control their hate and even radicals, like The Sixth Line you encounter on Ziost, that are openly breaking their own code to achieve victory. After all, they're still people.
I would love to see Bioware add in a DLC where you could go to the Jedi Council & petition to marry Ashara. Depending on your affiliation with the force, light, dark, or neutral would affect the outcome of the Council's decision.
The role of a Light Side Sith can change the empire into something more dangerous than what others can see. This is why the Sith Empire fails in the long run. Too many are not really dangerous and want to kill.
I agree! I always go dark side Jedi or light side Sith because they both seem wrong in and of themselves. The Jedi strangle themselves by suffocating their emotions, while the Sith sabotage themselves by seeking their passions without restraint. I think the middle path is best. :P
God I wished Star Wars would explore more about grey jedi. It was one of the few things I liked about rebels, how ahsoka tano was no longer a jedi but didn’t fall to the dark side either, and their was also the bendu which I really liked as well. But under Disney it ain’t going to happen.
The inquisitor was one of the first class stories I completed, the first being smuggler. There was so much time in between those two and the rest that I barely remember Ashara's romance. That was also before I started compulsively taking screenshots as I play. Rewatching the discussion about marriage, I vaguely remember it, although I'm pretty sure I straight up proposed, and I definitely went with the option of "Well, then let's go ask the Jedi Council."
Nice chemistry between these two. I've always hated the black and white portrayal of sith and jedi. Light sith and dark jedi make so much more sense and are far more relatable.
"Let's go to the Jedi Council", imagine explaining Khem Val and Xalak to them, and making sure the companions in question don't try to butcher anybody.☺ And that "hug" from behind😂.
That's what made this romance option the best, in my opinion. There are more interesting conversation selections than what Fluffy chose too, and they really add dimensions to the characters and cover many of the differences in Jedi/Sith philosophy and thinking. This was a great little story.
Heres what i dont get about Ashara, at least when you initially get her, if you play it straight, play it like a sith, but lightside, you show absolutely no hostility to them, no quarrel, most jedi worth their salt would be able to see that, and notice intent with what you plan to do. Why does noone notice this, and why does even Ashara dislike you greatly initially as a result?
-his view of the force is open -has interest in binding both sides as a whole -wears dark robes and parts of an armor Well friend, seems like you made yourself a Darth Revan xd
Well the Gray Jedi have never been a united order. They are just individuals who left the Jedi order to fight evil as they see fit. And the Light Sith are rare, like one in hundreds. And even then they are hunted by both Jedi and Sith. That is why the Light Sith in swtor is slowly gaining allies in the Sith and Jedi while acting like a standard Sith. Anyway both the Sith and Jedi are so set in their ways that they won't tolerate any other force order to exist.
There are light sith and there are neutral sith like for example Darth Vectivus. The businessman sith that died of old age in his bed surounded by his loved ones.
I made a dark Jedi and you break the Jedi code.I also made a light sith which was lots of fun. the classes i used were Jedi knight and sith inquisitor.
In Sidious case i mean a monster who cares for no greater goal or improvement beyond his own twisted desires. A light side Sith would be willing to kill and threaten if need be for a greater goal. But would maintain that purpose for a brighter future for his followers. The perfect half way point.
They removed it some time ago. For one thing, you never lose influence anymore. You only gain 50 for something they dislike, or 200 for something they like. I think it only shows in the post-conversation pop up now
Okay, first I just want to say that the couple videos you make are incredible. *thumbs up* Also, I would just like to know if you are going to make videos for the other romance options, including the Jedi Consular?
They are similar. Gray Jedi like to operate without the scrutiny of the Jedi Council. And often because they are sick of Jedi pacifist policies. Problem is that both Gray Jedi and Light side Sith are very rare. Neither Orders like to have them around.
For these conversations to come up is it how much approval they have or progression through the story, if it is approval what actions should i take to get her approval.
Excatly, Jedi and Sith are both extreme versions of the same philosophy. A Dark side Jedi and a Light side Sith are the closest they can get to balance.
Well the beauty of sith is that they can be good or bad. Jedi can ONLY be good, otherwise they become Dark Jedi or sith. A sith can be good without forfiting anything.
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Yeah suck it Palpatine! This Sith did more in a couple years than you did in your entire life, AND scored a hot Jedi wife!
Palpatine was the most powerful Sith of all time. Managing to do what no other Sith has ever done. Destroy the Republic from the INSIDE. But he never got laid....
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That and he suffered the same fate of countless before him, his apprentice got tired of his shit.
I don't see anyone double-crossing Darth Imperius. Tis truly better to be loved than to be feared.
If you are feared, then abandoning or betraying you in a time of weakness is the first thing your followers will do. If you are loved, they will endure Hell and high water to protect you from your enemies.
Anthony Clay Actually, he had contingency plans in case of his death. He transferred his consciousness into clone bodies. Sidious just wanted power and to rule the galaxy. He merely saw followers as a mean to achieve his goal.
I'm aware. Again, it just seemed like Kallig got more done with less bloodshed.
For comparison, Palpatine kicked off a long and life wasting conflict to cement his position as Emperor. Kallig decisively ended a major battle and scored a seat on the Dark Council, and he's still got plenty of life ahead of him!
Anthony Clay It's Kallig. Also, on top off all that, you know what makes him even worse? the Emperor was a racist. Or specist. The Emperor was in his 80s when he took over. What did he do when it was finished? Did he just sit on his throne saying "I've got unlimited power! Both politically and physically!.... K... now what?". Kallig was young, scored a hot togruta, mastered a rare technique, became on of the 12 Sith rulers of the Empire(the Emperor basically disappeared and told them to run everything).
"No one's looking. We can be disgustingly cute and nobody will see."
UGH. You're right about one thing, Ashara. You ARE being disgustingly cute.
You say that like it's a bad thing
From what I've seen, Ashara seems more like she turned slowly to a Gray Jedi. I thought she would have turned into Jaesa with less crazy but instead she went Gray Jedi. I like that, she seems very committed to stay on a side she seems to want to change from within, to help however she can.
+Human Jokic i wish the movies could explore the grey jedi more in the movies or shows
i personally would like it if swtor would give the option to sith players to become grey jedi
or something there of.
tbh i think some players who go jedi might want to do so as well but it seems like it would be more of a thing a light sided sith would do
I am curious. If you play straight dark side all the way, can you still romance her? and if you can, does her attitude differ any? does she lean more dark to reflect you or are her decisions and dialog the same no matter what?
@@Boringspy Because the Grey Jedi are a power fantasy which is just broken for Star Wars. If someone can do Dark Side things from time to time and not get corrupted by the force then it would make the whole concept of the jedi irrelevant. And Troughout Star wars games and movies it was shown that true grey jedi cant really exist with few minor exeptions.
Those exeptions are Either A: Apathatic Jedi that cant do anything they are neutral and cowards they cant do anything, that would be Yoda between Ep3 and 5, Bendu that is basicly a rock, Jolee Bindo who also basicly couldnt do anything and just waited for the death til he decided to join the party of Revan which turned him either to the light or darkness.
B: "Technical Grey Jedi" but actaully Light Jedi, that would be those that are not in the Jedi Order but still live by the Jedi way of staying in balance of the force, Ashara is one of them then of course Ashoka as well and some other.
C: Dark Side Jedi that manage to withstand the Dark Side Corruption for a while, by using the Dark Side rarely and usaly in self defense (technicly), Count Dooku is noticble one. Which is quite rare because on some the force corrupts much faster Anakin for example (okay might be bad writing) got corrupted in like 10 minutes til he forgot why he even wanted that power.... his own spirit was basicly locked away.
Corruption of the Force or Dark Side is basicly Heroin... its basicly impossible to stay clean and using it the correkt way :D
SWTOR makes stuff abit simple so it works better for an Story driven MMO with Choices. The Amount of killing you do as either Sith or Jedi would affect much more then just saying nice things in some speech que xD not to mention that some of the Dark side Light side choices are very random, like preserving Sith History and knowledge gives you Light Side points in some quest thats very wrong :D
@@ZunaZurugi *snorts Darksidenium*
A force sensitive who does not let his emotions rule him, and does not repress them either. Not a sith who is blinded by greed or anger, and not a Jedi who is blinded by apathy or conviction. That is why Revan was such a cherished idea.
I love this romance above the others because of how unique it's setup is. Star crossed lovers, but without the angst. They talk about their viewpoints and philosophies, they respect each other as Master and Apprentice, and most of all, they show that in the (perhaps surprisingly) bleak universe of Star Wars; there is a hope for true peace between Jedi and Sith.
Anthony Clay Yeah, this is probably one of the best written star wars romances ever. "Star crossed lovers, but without the angst." That's a good way to look at it. There's something sweet about two people loving each other and continuing to do so, even when some high-minded authority figures won't let them marry.
I like the middle approach and think it's very well written (outside of you butchering her masters in front of her and she's like "meh may as well help you anyway") though i'm curious if u can be dark side and still romance her? My character was quite the pragmatist but did fall well within the dark side (did not tolerate treachery, had a bit of an honor code and kept his side of the bargain but generally could be harsh at times).
What does that even mean though?
"Star crossed lovers"
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Fabricator-General Antonello star crossed lovers basically means a relationship between that's is unapproved by some authority figure/figures. I don't know where the term star crossed originated from but that's basically what it means.
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Christ died for your sins and rose on the third day, showing that anyone who trusts in him for salvation, will have everlasting life.
(John 11:25-26) "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
(John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Revan did understand this that is why he had as many followers, and allies that were so powerful to walk the path of a gray Jedi is freedom and peace together.
Couldn't have said better myself! :)
Tyler Thomas Yeah, I bet Revan would have loved Ashara for an apprentice.
Mrimchaelson ironic a slur created against the Jedi who figured to true way criticized by a dogmatic former show of the Jedi order
Impossible in the world of Star wars tho.
@@ZunaZurugi A pitiful existence to be afraid of your own humanity.
The voice of the male human Sith Inquisitor is so badass!
uuuuum every male inquisitor voice are the same XD
Oh, okay. I thought there were differences between some races. Still, in my opinion the voice somehow fits the human best. As the voice of the female Jedi Councilor fits the Mirialan best IMO...
Actually Cathar male with black fur sounds even more neat.
It's really nice. That one line breaks my heart from him: "I would have settled for 'not a slave.'" The way he delivers that...a lot of sadness there.
21:34 If I hadn't been lounging in my bed I would've fallen off the couch hearing what Ashara was humming there! Oh my GOODNESS!!!
I have to say, this romance really, really adds dimensions to the characters. This Inquisitor is...a lot like how I think I'd be in the Star Wars universe: Grey Sith. :-)
Okay, I just got to say, I love this whole video on how a sith inquisitor can be such a sweet guy to a jedi girl who loves him back. But what really sticks out in my mind is 24:19-24:37. Ashara makes it clear she really cares about her identity as a jedi, enough that she wants the Jedi counsels permission to marry. The Sith Inquisitor in this video could, of course, just say "you don't need their permission, let's get married without it", But what does he do instead? He respects her wishes like any sweet guy would and says "So let's go get their permission." Cue a big chunk of affection earned from Ashara, just for caring about what she wants to do instead of brushing it off. Sure Ashara looks pretty disappointed and sad that the jedi council won't say yes anytime soon, but to me that grand 327 affection leap just screams "I have the best, most patient, tolerant, and kindhearted boyfriend in the galaxy!" I wrap my mind around that, and just...WOW! Imagine a Sith Lord who has the courage to and is willing to go to the heart of the Jedi Order, practically the Lion's Den for a sith, all because he loves one person, one jedi, enough to risk his safety just to ASK for permission to marry her. Not demand it, but simply ask. Just...Oh, what the heck, the Light Side Sith Inquisitor is one of the sweetest Sith Lords in all the Star Wars Universe! JUST ADMIT IT! YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO!
Andrew Neilan I've never gotten very far with a Sith Inquisitor, but something I would like trying is going nothing but Dark Side until Ashara comes into the picture, then go Light Side with her love being redemption. Cliché, but I like it.
Sure, if you're willing to spend a ton of time undoing dark points and building light points. Not that it's that hard. Go for it, if you think it'll be awesome.
Andrew Neilan Agreed. They should've done something with this romance story arc similar to what they did with the SW/Jaesa romance - where only the LS Inquisitor could romance Ashara.
Well, I will say the lightside romance where the inquisitor treats Ashara's Jedi beliefs with respect is a more stable romance that makes more sense. In the darkside version, as genuine as the inquisitor's love for Ashara still is (maybe), it's still pretty, well, dark; and definitely abusive. If he's not outright tempting her towards the darkside, he's simply torturing her both emotionally, and with force lightning. At least in the lightside version, killing Ashara's Jedi masters was reluctantly done in self-defense. But in the darkside version, he killed Ashara's parental figures just to manipulate her into following him. I would think the darkside version is a pretty good example of what can realistically happen when a bad guy has a soft spot for a girl, but still remains an evil person. I read in the news about all those young women in an abusive relationship with their boyfriend, thinking they can "save him." That's just crap. Harley makes the same stupid mistake with the Joker. Being in an abusive relationship places a girl in some very real physical, emotional, and spiritual danger. So while I don't like the darkside version of the romance, I'd say it's still good that the ugly reality of it can be seen. It is good to know the difference between wholesome and dangerous relationships.
+Andrew Neilan Fruit way of describing
"You want to remove a rock, get a quarry droid" That made me laugh for some reasons.
21:34 SHE WAS HUMMING THE IMPERIAL MARCH!!!
XD
Sith are that good in bed. :P
Darth Malak Speaking form experience there, eh Malak?
Finbar Brolly yep, Revan got my sloppy seconds alright.
Darth Malak(Nods head and smiles) You Darth dog you.
I laughted so hard at that moment xD
I love a light side Sith it contradicts beautifully. Romance between him and Jedi is like Romeo and Juliet with the dying part. Thanks for making this Fluffy.
Ashara is the perfect companion for a light side inquisitor.
If they went to the Jedi Council (SWOTR edition)
Sith: I want to marry Ashara.
Jedi: no, you are sith. I have to kill you
Sith: I don't want to hurt you (LS++)
Jedi: prepare to die, sith
It seems like in some cases, the Sith are the "good guys" compared to the jedi.
Genocide and betrayal are still what Sith are about
@@Reverse_Hood thats not exactly true all of this is a game between jedi and sith that started long before lightsabers existed its a game to see who'll die first and besides the jedi are pompous assholes remember the sith code is a guideline not a way of life like the jedi code
@@CICellDirectorCairmann been trying to explain that to everyone I know and its like the hardest thing they have ever had to understand or comprehend 🤣😂
Thee ARE good Sith. The problem is that Sith don't turn away from the Dark Side, which can easily lead to evil deeds and corruption, that is makes the Sith dangerous. The Dark Side is very tempting, and if yo don't turn away from it at all costs like the Jedi do, then you run the risk of falling prey to it. Gray Jedi are similar, as they don't follow the Jedi's teachings and rather follow their own conscience, but they still turn away from the Dark Side.
in the time of the high Republic entire splinter groups of sith seemd to do more good the jedi did.(but were still sith)
I started my first Light-Side Sith character for the sole reason of romancing Ashara, no regrets and it was so worth it.
My first Light-Side Imperial character was a Sith Warrior. I wanted him to end up with Jaesa, but that requires beating damn near every expansion just to get to one cutscene, and I don't think he can swerve on Lana for that long.
I appreciate the attention the writers paid to her slow slide from grace. Dialog was given to support her disillusionment with the Jedi order and how she initially rejected all things sith but in the end actually admitted that peace was indeed a lie.
I wish Jaesa Willsam had been given the same treatment. Her fall by contrast was poorly done. If you play darkside, she abandoned everything she stands for without a second though.
What do you mean fall?? Ashara GROW as a person and as a force user. There is no falling at all. Her ideals her compassion didn't change at all.
It does kind of make sense for Jaesa to rapidly go off the deep end. Much of her life and ideals were revealed to have been lies or manipulated, breaking the foundation of her personality. Left adrift, it is the Sith Warrior's choice on how to rebuild her.
"Alright I trust you." Something you would never ever expect somebody to say to a Sith.
“You can’t judge a person by thwart they wear, or the COLOR OF THEIR LIGHTSABER” xD hahahaha so humbling
To me, my romance with Ashara as a DS Inquisitor meant a lot to me. IRL, I was once a discriminatory person who didn't show much compassion toward others who were different (I wasn't transphobic, racist, homophobic or anything like that, I just didn't understand them for who they were), and because didn't want to express those feelings IRL, I did it in SWTOR because Jonas'ara (My character) was a safe way of getting those emotions out on my enemies (NPC's not other players) because he was me in the Star Wars universe. But then when I knew his goals of how he didn't like intolerance of other races when explaining his goals to Ashara, and how he loved her for who she was even though she was an alien. That changed me (along with other outside factors) into being a more tolerable and kind person IRL, and when I got Jonas'ara to KOTFE, I switched to making mostly LS choices to reflect that change (although made a few small DS ones to prove I was still impure). And when I read Ashara's message in chapter 4 about how much she missed me and loved me, I got misty-eyed because Jonas' relationship with Ashara taught me that love has no boundaries, that being different isn't bad, and that the world isn't always what it seems. I know that may sound too immersive or stupid to some, but it shows how games can change people IRL
Collin Are you fucking serious?
that wasn't very nice
Unexpectedly deep.
I find this very touching.
Preach it, friend! Video games can change lives!
the fact that this is all done without her in a slave girl outfit is commendable
Ashara recently returned in update 5.8. When I saw the news, I was so shocked to finally see her return after so long. While I could've gotten her back in KOTFE by using the companion searcher, I wanted to wait for a true legitimate return, and that finally happened. I was so excited that I literally reinstalled SWTOR and bought another membership (as I stopped playing the game several months back) just so I could do this mission. When Jonas'ara (me) stepped forth and saw how much she changed, my eyes swelled up with tears at how happy I was to see how far my apprentice had come. My romance with Ashara helped me become a better person IRL over a year ago, and her reunion reminded me of how far both my character and myself have come.
There is no light. There is no dark. There is only gray, to walk this line will make you more powerful than either side. Revan knew this and it made him the most powerful jedi of his error.
agree !
Or you could just be unbelievably talented like anakin or Luke.
terry taylor They weren't talented at all. Darth Plageius made Anakin a lab to be extremely strong in the force.
Really, you are going off of EU. That is not canon. Therefore not a reliable source. In canon however, he was the chosen one.
Still a huge plothole to how he was born. Maybe they will expand on it in the new movies?
21:00 "apathy, inaction--these things are unacceptable" reminds me of Kotor 2 "apathy is death"
when he said "for a Jedi" he sounded like emporer Palpatine
John Campbell Damn that's creepy (O_O)
*I r o n i c.* 😏
'your' children, not 'our' children, Ashara? I'm hurt that you don't wish to be the mother of my children.
+LoveingTT She's a Togruta. You are a human/twi'lek/sith pureblood/rattatki/whatever. In the Star Wars universe those species your character (originally) could be match up genetically and can get kids, but they cannot match with a Togruta.
+BobTheArchmage Ahsoka kerz-tak II was a zabrak/togruta hybrid.
LoveingTT Well, to be fair Clone Wars/Star Wars Rebels tend to say 'fuck you' to any established lore not from the movies, and SWTOR came out before that character came into being.
Besides which, with Disney taking over anything not in the movies and the series Clone Wars & Rebels have been moved into the 'Star Wars Legends' canon while the new stuff will be the new expanded universe. Which means SWTOR is part of the Legends Canon.
+BobTheArchmage Not even going to begin to pretend I don't wholeheartedly agree with everything in that post. Touche. Also, while I know it to be true, it hurt to hear that swtor was going to be relegated into the legends canon.
LoveingTT I feel ya man. Though I have to correct something I said earlier. Twi'leks couldn't crossbreed with Humans prior to The Clone Wars series making it possible, so there's that. At least not without some serious Sith Alchemy and/or gene manipulation going on.
At 21:00 who else muttered:
"Apathy is Death" ?
....
*Apathy is death*
I am late but *AHEM* Statement: Apathy is Death.....
Apathy is death
It's wierdly romantic when Ashara starts humming the Imperial March after the love scene :)
0:59 difference between a good jedi master and a bad one here: "Try it again"
after all it's do or do not...................
Glad to see so much work put into all these videos, all the options and interesting(but still logical) paths followed. Excellently done.
I've seen people whining about Ashara beng unlikable and the whole romance bad... And this is actually a very good storyline and her character is interesting, not as flat as some others in the game. It actually makes me want to play inquisitor. :>
But they're right she's unlikeable
I never get tired of hearing how gun-ho and blood-thirsty the Jedi are towards a Light-Side Sith. Like that dumbass Organa on Alderaan who is voiced by Yuri Lowenthal. Ah yes, Nomar, who after being convinced you're just trying to be nice after you reunite him and his old flame and leave in peace convinces himself that you're still an evil bastard and attacks you with his Padawan, getting them both killed.
+spikegilfer1997 There is also a part in the warrior story where you meet two jedi on a space station. They are expecting a fight and you're like "Nope I don't have a beef with you, see ya" and one the jedi gets angrier and attacks you.
+Briggie in SWTOR the jedi are a bunch hypocrites
In a few moments in the story it is suggested that losses and constant fighting brought by the war made the Jedi more vengeful and agressive then they normally would be. Padawans like Ashara and some of the Jedi you encounter as Sith character lived their whole lives in the shadow of the galactic war and trained knowing they will have to fight a brutal and marciless foe. It all makes sense to me, after so much pain and pressure, along the Jedi that can endure it you have both those that can't control their hate and even radicals, like The Sixth Line you encounter on Ziost, that are openly breaking their own code to achieve victory. After all, they're still people.
Briggie
"If only *The other buddies name* had stood with me!"
"The result would've been the same."
I would love to see Bioware add in a DLC where you could go to the Jedi Council & petition to marry Ashara. Depending on your affiliation with the force, light, dark, or neutral would affect the outcome of the Council's decision.
Or the fact a sith is coming to them peacefully in order to ask them to allow Ashara to marry would just fry their brains.
The role of a Light Side Sith can change the empire into something more dangerous than what others can see. This is why the Sith Empire fails in the long run. Too many are not really dangerous and want to kill.
Ikr? Long term planning, making allies, yet still loyal?
Way better than some power-hungry maniac
That's the thing about Jedi Master's.
They Suck.
Lol
Not necessarily, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon and Yoda are all awesome… but for the most part, yeah, they kind of do…
Lt. Basil ESPECIALLY in SWTOR. Pretty much everyone except Satele is practically useless.
Absolute Configuration True.
And Sith Lords are worse
I agree! I always go dark side Jedi or light side Sith because they both seem wrong in and of themselves. The Jedi strangle themselves by suffocating their emotions, while the Sith sabotage themselves by seeking their passions without restraint. I think the middle path is best. :P
God I wished Star Wars would explore more about grey jedi. It was one of the few things I liked about rebels, how ahsoka tano was no longer a jedi but didn’t fall to the dark side either, and their was also the bendu which I really liked as well. But under Disney it ain’t going to happen.
i would have loved to marry her she is beautiful and sweet and i love that
The inquisitor was one of the first class stories I completed, the first being smuggler. There was so much time in between those two and the rest that I barely remember Ashara's romance. That was also before I started compulsively taking screenshots as I play. Rewatching the discussion about marriage, I vaguely remember it, although I'm pretty sure I straight up proposed, and I definitely went with the option of "Well, then let's go ask the Jedi Council."
One of the best characters of all time
Ashara: I've changed my mind. I have nothing to say to you.
Sith: 😯?
Nice chemistry between these two. I've always hated the black and white portrayal of sith and jedi. Light sith and dark jedi make so much more sense and are far more relatable.
Only ones that got it right was the Gray Force Users. They just see the Force as a tool and nothing else.
"Let's go to the Jedi Council", imagine explaining Khem Val and Xalak to them, and making sure the companions in question don't try to butcher anybody.☺
And that "hug" from behind😂.
This is the best Ashara romance vid I've watch. Great dialog choices. I think they would sound good even if you were going a darkside route.
When you get an impromptu philosophy lesson during a video game.
That's what made this romance option the best, in my opinion. There are more interesting conversation selections than what Fluffy chose too, and they really add dimensions to the characters and cover many of the differences in Jedi/Sith philosophy and thinking. This was a great little story.
Heres what i dont get about Ashara, at least when you initially get her, if you play it straight, play it like a sith, but lightside, you show absolutely no hostility to them, no quarrel, most jedi worth their salt would be able to see that, and notice intent with what you plan to do. Why does noone notice this, and why does even Ashara dislike you greatly initially as a result?
14:09 A Jedi and a Sith walk into a bar.
Image the look on everyone's face if they pass this message on.
I think Ashara became my favorute jedi of all time after ashoka.
This is like an angel and demon fell in love
I have watched all your Fallout 4 romancing guides, Fluffy. Now look: i type "Ashara Zavros" on youtube today, and boom! What a pleasant surpise.
20:50
"Apathy is death"-Darth Traya
Jedi be mad ignorant in SWOTOR, when ur trying to be a pacifist they want to run your fade.
21:35 I did not think I would hear a Jedi hum the Imperial March XD
i love this romance option.
24:00 onwards its sad to think THERE WILL BE NO PEACE
pissed off that they might never get married
Is it just me that gets and immense sense of joy when you turn something good evil?
That is a nice story, thanks for the video. But question: why does the main male person you play as look like someone from Assassin's Creed?
i'm so close getting her, just gotta finish alderaan and kill zash.
Go for her and win her heart, champion!
lol, I did a long time ago dude, and it was worth it. XD easily my favorite romance comp so far.
Apathy is death. Worse than death. - A very wise woman
-Padgorf - Light side
The birth of a Grey Jedi
11:22 Sith inquisitor uses LIT SWAG; Ashara Zavros is confused!
13:31
-'How the Grinch Stole Christmas'
-his view of the force is open
-has interest in binding both sides as a whole
-wears dark robes and parts of an armor
Well friend, seems like you made
yourself a Darth Revan xd
If you play as a sith warrior your second companion is like Anikin as well
I love the light sided sith storylines.
Sameee
This is my favourite romance.
It's one of the more engaging, so it's not hard to see why.
13:25 so full of himself. What a Chad moment.
Those who played KOTOR2 at 20:50. APATHY IS DEATH!
Indeeeeeed
i thought ashara and jaesa were perfect waifus, but when i saw how nadia acted, my mind changed
Well the Gray Jedi have never been a united order. They are just individuals who left the Jedi order to fight evil as they see fit. And the Light Sith are rare, like one in hundreds. And even then they are hunted by both Jedi and Sith. That is why the Light Sith in swtor is slowly gaining allies in the Sith and Jedi while acting like a standard Sith.
Anyway both the Sith and Jedi are so set in their ways that they won't tolerate any other force order to exist.
There are light sith and there are neutral sith like for example Darth Vectivus. The businessman sith that died of old age in his bed surounded by his loved ones.
peace is a lie there is only passion
+datboiderrty True.
+datboiderrty Very true.
I made a dark Jedi and you break the Jedi code.I also made a light sith which was lots of fun. the classes i used were Jedi knight and sith inquisitor.
Games now let me have a virtual waifu?
i forgot that the sith inquisitor had a sick voice
It's horribly unfitting
Sidious was the exact opposite of a raving madman. Malak would be closer to being described as a madman.
The sith assassin/inquisitor is my favorite way to play
In Sidious case i mean a monster who cares for no greater goal or improvement beyond his own twisted desires.
A light side Sith would be willing to kill and threaten if need be for a greater goal. But would maintain that purpose for a brighter future for his followers. The perfect half way point.
never turns full sith, never does a single fuckin' thing after reuniting
When I see how a light side inquisitor is, it makes me feel like the with aren't that bad, there's just a large majority of extremists in their ranks.
I've never been able to figure out how to display the amount of companion affection you gain or lose during conversations
They removed it some time ago. For one thing, you never lose influence anymore. You only gain 50 for something they dislike, or 200 for something they like. I think it only shows in the post-conversation pop up now
Okay, first I just want to say that the couple videos you make are incredible. *thumbs up*
Also, I would just like to know if you are going to make videos for the other romance options, including the Jedi Consular?
Does anybody else want to know what Is said when they go out for a drink and you say you didn’t have any fun
Man, he has a badass voice.
They are similar. Gray Jedi like to operate without the scrutiny of the Jedi Council. And often because they are sick of Jedi pacifist policies. Problem is that both Gray Jedi and Light side Sith are very rare. Neither Orders like to have them around.
Ashara rips out one of the best lines in the entire game: 23:09.
i agree you make some good points
I think a light side Sith is perfect. A Sith not bound to the pacifism and ideology of the Jedi. But not a raving madman like Sidious.
I cant even get Ashara to like me when I play female Sith and also be honest to her...
Arrakeen10191 i don't think shes bi
I guess I'm downloading SWTOR now.
what they did in the end of the great hyperspace war proves it *
That face......Benedict Cumberbatch?
Nice characters.
Very entertaining video.
Ashara is so adorable when shes trying too hard. Haha
For these conversations to come up is it how much approval they have or progression through the story, if it is approval what actions should i take to get her approval.
This is how adult ahsoka should look like.
A fucking queen
So you don't have to be committed to red or blue you can just be purple
Excatly, Jedi and Sith are both extreme versions of the same philosophy. A Dark side Jedi and a Light side Sith are the closest they can get to balance.
Well the beauty of sith is that they can be good or bad. Jedi can ONLY be good, otherwise they become Dark Jedi or sith. A sith can be good without forfiting anything.
Im curious, what song is playing during the scene at 0:52 during the training