Hope you all enjoyed the video! Let me clarify a few things and explain the numbers again. Remember that there is a BIG difference between wheel and crank numbers: with the JZW tune and no mods, the car made 220whp and 254wtq. With the JZW tune and bolt ons, the car made 249whp and 284wtq, meaning the Krona and do88 parts added 29whp and 30wtq to the car (also keep in mind the JZW runs included some misfires). When including the Maptun stage 2 with the car, it made 254whp and 298wtq, for an overall gain of 34whp and 48wtq! Accounting for drivetrain loss, the car should be making roughly 320hp and 375ft/lbs at the crank!
Considering the mileage that is a amazing result. Have you had any cam chain stretch, bit of a big job but once done you will get any lost horses back :)
Great video...thank you The smoothness of the maptun Over the other is as impressive as the gains. A tune up prior to dyno would have made little difference....the maptun Is at the top of its game.
@@chancock4222 Yes I saw that, should have used an Aero or smt. But Turbo x should look cooler than like a regular 9-3 if he happens to make a video of it.
@@AutoAutopsy That's 100% the plan, I just have other priorities and projects and it's really a luxury item. - BUT I will be switching at some point. Maybe i'll do a video of the comparison. You should get a e.Sid and compare the dyno numbers. Pretty sure it is 'crank' .
Even before getting the new pump, try really cleaning the fuel system with a cleaner for that purpose. It really is a known solution for a starting problem like this on a TX. Glad you got pretty high numbers though :)
2 days ago I had a car crash. I was driving home from grandma and I was at the highway. I noticed Opel Insignia going faster than usual on that road so I let him pass me. After a few hundred meters he started to brake and moved to a right lane. I moved into left lane trying to go around him and as soon as I get near him he started to turn left into my lane. He hitted me into right side(front and left doors) and got me spinning a few times. I was going around 80km/h so i barelly stopped. Both of my front tires exploded cause I hitted sidewalk so it felt like im on ice. After about 50 meters I stopped and get out of my car uninjured. I bought Saab just for that reason...safety. If I were in some other car I think I wouldn't be alive today.
I had a similar experience a few weeks ago. Got t-boned making a left turn at an intersection. My 9-3 was totaled, but it held up enough that I was able to walk away with only a small bruise on my leg. These cars are amazing
I'm going Vermont Tune stage 0, with Denso plugs, Krona mid and down, D088 intercooler, charge, and intake, as well as SAI delete, and probably hotter coils...maybe the LS2 mod.
Excellent analysis on torque curve. That's what it's all about in real world driving. I can see maximum torque via eSID but never maximum horsepower in day to day spirited driving
Absolutely replace the fuel pump as soon as possible, mine died on a ~600 mile roadtrip, and if you ever get stuck, hitting the fuel tank can fix it temporarily Really like the channel
@@AutoAutopsy Disagreed. I typically agree with your findings, but this is purely your opinion and factually inaccurate. Brew City Boost has fantastic reliable 2.8L tunes. I purchased my tune at 160,000 miles and it now has 225,000 miles. It is a daily driver and I race it often with NO issues. I can verify this if you wish.
Are you considering another Tune? What do you think if the vTuner stage 0 or above, you probably have enough done now to consider the stage 1 or 2 he offers. Or do you not like those tunes?
@@bernardhammonds3718 I had an 2006 93 Aero with the Stage 0, I highly recommend it. I have a 2007 93 Aero Combi now stock, but am considering the stage 1 possibly.
great engines really! i have an opel Vectra 2,8 v6 Turbo with 431000km wich is about 268000 miles, no oil leaks or anything else for that matter! planing on putting out some videos on my channel soon if you or anybody else is intrested of seeing how it goes and sounds :)
Don't mean to take your comment the wrong way, but is that sarcasm? Last few comments I've received on the paint with this car have actually been negative, lol! But thank you, I haven't done anything to it (yet), but plan on using Meguiars wax/polish on it soon :)
I might have to have to try & goad you into pitting your TurboX against my Aero, see how they compare, IF there is a place you know of for such an encounter LOL!
@@AutoAutopsy when i finally get there i will have replaced the head gasket, #3 piston, all rod bearings, iol pan gasket & finally will have my Aero back in full power...cant wait lol, at least i dont have to do all this on the side of I10 LOL! What a Saab story this has become LOL
Hey man,after watching this, the reasons you have for the misfires lead me to question whether my stage 1 from Vermont tuning might be the cause of my misfires. It's typically the 2nd cylinder code and it occurs in the 3-4k RPM range. My plan was to replace the coil pack but should I do something with the tune instead? Please help!
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Nice post. I'm old school. The bottom line is the 1/4 mile. Get her on the track. Don't ruin your clutch. Just ease out of the hole, but let's see the time.....
to get more power you need to uncap the injectors or get bigger injectors and a higher fuel pump.. fuel pump alone will do nothing .. you need to do the injectors and pump.. as on the dyno the pump was not maxing out yet
I think his plan is to do the pump for engine safety reasons, which is wise as so many people do engine work and just expect their ancient fuel pump to keep up.
@@AutoAutopsy i agree you dont want it to leaning out.. when you do get the injectors upgraded so you can take advantage of all your upgrades .. you will see the biggest impact..
@@AutoAutopsy I'm installing an AEM 340 pump in the stock housing on mine. Shouldn't break a sweat on my stage 0 Vtune and will easily keep up when I eventually upgrade the turbo
I'm a bit confused. Are you at a high altitude there? Is it possible in Arizona? I dynoed my bone stock Turbo X (6MT) on a Mustang Dyno (Linked AWD drums) Their SHOP car was a Focus RS. It made 240 WHP stock. (Focus RS is rated at 350 BHP) My car's stock dyno looks nearly identical to your JZW + Mods dyno... I'm really confused. I'm stock down to the paper filter. This is no high reading dyno. I assumed my car had a stock flash because it felt slow, and only made peak of 13.3 PSI to reach it's numbers mid range. This was with correction factor but I was dynoing in 105 degree heat. My stock 2006 Aero (6MT) made 225 FWHP and 252 FWTQ on a Dynojet which as far as I know reads expected. Just really confused here. Just by looking at how fast your car fell off, I'm guessing that you're Density Altitude must be pretty unfavorable for you?
FWD is gonna give you higher readings because of power only going to two wheels, therefore less drivetrain loss needs to be accounted for. The JZW tune was obviously pretty bad with the mods, so I would almost disregard those numbers. I'd recommend checking the original video if you haven't already! I'm in Phoenix (1100ft), so not high altitude (but do have heat)
Fu.... k Others opinion on power on you car. You have at Speciel car, that Is 12 years old, and it is stil fast compare to others. Even people whit a Bugatti Veron have haters. I like you videos for the good info tips and trick. So Thank you for sharing :-)
JZW and Maptune are not even close to quality tune like Brian from vermont tuning. i have an 08 9-3 aero automatic that is 320 HP at 93 octane from a stage zero from VT. I've been watching your videos lately and they are awesome but for the life of me why you don't use VT considering brian is a genius ( literally ) when it comes to saab.
@@AutoAutopsy Yes the Vtune basic tune without hardware mods does 320hp 400tq at the crank. He has dynos posted and also has 1/4 mile times(even better tell of power) for the 2.8 fwd. His basic tune (Stage 0) gives you 265-275 hp at the wheels. His 1/4 mile time is high 13s for stage 0 automatic. With a turbo x and manual on his tune I can't imagine the awesomeness it'll be on that tune nor the higher staged 1 or 2 which would probably put the this car in stock kia stinger 3.3 GT territory with `330hp at the wheels and about 370tq at the wheels. JZW has always been the slightly cheaper option but I've heard of a few people having issues with his tunes so what you experienced didn't surprise me in this video with his tune on the dyno. It was confirmed when you switched to a well known tuner like Maptun and got smoother better sounding tune as you saw yourself. Some people seem to do fine on his tunes but a few seem to have issues enough so that it turned me towards other tuners. He has lots more experience with the 2.0 and 2.3 (his car is the fastest 2.3 I think for the 1/4 in the U.S or something don't know if it's still the case).
@@KPalmTheWise it's 320 at the crank check his site. Don't know what you mean otherwise because i never stated 330. His 9-5NG 2.8 Aero stage 0 tune is 335hp at the crank. So unless you're mistaking things.
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Hope you all enjoyed the video! Let me clarify a few things and explain the numbers again. Remember that there is a BIG difference between wheel and crank numbers: with the JZW tune and no mods, the car made 220whp and 254wtq. With the JZW tune and bolt ons, the car made 249whp and 284wtq, meaning the Krona and do88 parts added 29whp and 30wtq to the car (also keep in mind the JZW runs included some misfires). When including the Maptun stage 2 with the car, it made 254whp and 298wtq, for an overall gain of 34whp and 48wtq! Accounting for drivetrain loss, the car should be making roughly 320hp and 375ft/lbs at the crank!
Considering the mileage that is a amazing result. Have you had any cam chain stretch, bit of a big job but once done you will get any lost horses back :)
how about the temps? how much of a difference does the do88 intercooler make?
Great video...thank you
The smoothness of the maptun
Over the other is as impressive as the gains.
A tune up prior to dyno would have made little difference....the maptun
Is at the top of its game.
While the gains are impressive and it is all very cool, I am still looking and wondering at how close the car is parked to the wall in the garage.
Lol! Probably 6” or so
🤣
I think we will see your Turbo x soon on Doug Demuro channel !
EkstreemKanuutaja Did you see he finally did a 9-5?
I emailed him a while back and he said he’ll message me when he’s in Arizona next! 🤞🏼
I'm dying to see this!!
@@chancock4222 Yes I saw that, should have used an Aero or smt. But Turbo x should look cooler than like a regular 9-3 if he happens to make a video of it.
@@chancock4222 yeah he said it gets 1 in acceleration yet while driving it said it was fast .. the guy is an idiot
That a huge difference in just sound and how smooth it is. I wish I would've gone Maptune with mine instead of BCB.
You can always switch ;)
@@AutoAutopsy That's 100% the plan, I just have other priorities and projects and it's really a luxury item. - BUT I will be switching at some point. Maybe i'll do a video of the comparison. You should get a e.Sid and compare the dyno numbers. Pretty sure it is 'crank'
.
whats rong with bcb
@@paulcampagna i had bcb on my 06 and it was a great tune. I think they put out better numbers than Maptun
@@2FLY_M5c nothing
The sound is so good!
Thanks!
Even before getting the new pump, try really cleaning the fuel system with a cleaner for that purpose. It really is a known solution for a starting problem like this on a TX. Glad you got pretty high numbers though :)
Thank you Peter, I'll definitely look into doing that :)
2 days ago I had a car crash. I was driving home from grandma and I was at the highway. I noticed Opel Insignia going faster than usual on that road so I let him pass me. After a few hundred meters he started to brake and moved to a right lane. I moved into left lane trying to go around him and as soon as I get near him he started to turn left into my lane. He hitted me into right side(front and left doors) and got me spinning a few times. I was going around 80km/h so i barelly stopped. Both of my front tires exploded cause I hitted sidewalk so it felt like im on ice. After about 50 meters I stopped and get out of my car uninjured. I bought Saab just for that reason...safety. If I were in some other car I think I wouldn't be alive today.
Wow! Glad to hear you’re okay!
@@AutoAutopsy Thanks, I appreciate that a lot, btw me and my dad love your videos as much as we love Saab
@@patrikrade147 Thank you :) means a lot
I had a similar experience a few weeks ago. Got t-boned making a left turn at an intersection. My 9-3 was totaled, but it held up enough that I was able to walk away with only a small bruise on my leg. These cars are amazing
I'm going Vermont Tune stage 0, with Denso plugs, Krona mid and down, D088 intercooler, charge, and intake, as well as SAI delete, and probably hotter coils...maybe the LS2 mod.
Nice!
WOW. That is impressive. She sounds sooooooo good.
Thanks!
You literally couldn't get any closer to that shelf in front of your Turbo X... incredible parking
Thank you ;)
You should do a good flowing rear diffuser man, you'll gain mpg, stability and the looks depends on what you go with or make!!!
Maybe, we'll see
Excellent analysis on torque curve. That's what it's all about in real world driving. I can see maximum torque via eSID but never maximum horsepower in day to day spirited driving
The eSID is short changing me on power and torque big time compared to the dyno, not sure why
Welcome to the p0089 club! Lol. I've had it in the past but cleaned the fuel rail and I've been fine. Maptun stage 2 will be in the works someday lol
Gotta get those krona and do88 parts too ;) we can be twins! lol
That map tune sounded so good 👌
:)
Absolutely replace the fuel pump as soon as possible, mine died on a ~600 mile roadtrip, and if you ever get stuck, hitting the fuel tank can fix it temporarily
Really like the channel
Thank you for the advice! I'll get on it
Wow the Maptun was so much healthier sounding.
It’s the overall safest and best tune you can get for these cars
I have a stage 1 maptun, BSR intake, genuine Saab catless downpipe and midpipe, with a muffler delete and honestly sounds so good without drone
Thearrith Dong Brew City Boost Stage 3 V6 turbo. It pulls
Maptune the 👑
@@AutoAutopsy Disagreed. I typically agree with your findings, but this is purely your opinion and factually inaccurate. Brew City Boost has fantastic reliable 2.8L tunes. I purchased my tune at 160,000 miles and it now has 225,000 miles. It is a daily driver and I race it often with NO issues. I can verify this if you wish.
Nice sounding engine :) what do you suppose how much power gain did the exhaust and intercooler give in proportion? 50/50?
im not sure; probably
Nice brother!
Thanks!
Are you considering another Tune? What do you think if the vTuner stage 0 or above, you probably have enough done now to consider the stage 1 or 2 he offers. Or do you not like those tunes?
i would like to see vtuner numbers too... i was thinking about flashing mine next year
@@bernardhammonds3718 I had an 2006 93 Aero with the Stage 0, I highly recommend it. I have a 2007 93 Aero Combi now stock, but am considering the stage 1 possibly.
@@toddhodder Nice... have you installed any other upgrades? watching his down pipe and intercooler installs makes me want to put mine under the knife
stage 1 and 2 from vtuner require turbo upgrades which I don't want to do with the car for now. I have nothing against any particular tune!
@@bernardhammonds3718 I have not, but the intercooler would likely be first, the stock one isn't great.
great engines really! i have an opel Vectra 2,8 v6 Turbo with 431000km wich is about 268000 miles, no oil leaks or anything else for that matter! planing on putting out some videos on my channel soon if you or anybody else is intrested of seeing how it goes and sounds :)
Nice!!
😍😍😍bro the exhaust
Paint looks amazing. What polish/wax are you using? Any recommendations that are SAAB friendly?
Don't mean to take your comment the wrong way, but is that sarcasm? Last few comments I've received on the paint with this car have actually been negative, lol! But thank you, I haven't done anything to it (yet), but plan on using Meguiars wax/polish on it soon :)
Sees Saab...hits like.
My man
A good man
Question...the exhaust you have on the X would that fit my 2006 Aero?
Yes. Although the downpipe would be slightly different because yours is FWD. You can find it all on www.kronaperformance.com
I also have an '06 aero in 2.8 convertible trim. You get an exhaust? I'm on the lookout for ideas
Big difference! ...And what about vtuner stage 0 of vermonttuning.com. I am between vtuner and maptun. Please let me know which should I take?
Got a maptun stage 1 today, drove it hard 80 miles home, no hiccups or anything
same boat!
perks719 excellent! Please let me know about the link or web site. I Will take a look.
I hope @autoautopsy decides to get the vtuner just so I can see what kinda numbers he puts down compared to other tuners.
juha pohjola That would be great. It would help many SAAB owners to make a decision
I might have to have to try & goad you into pitting your TurboX against my Aero, see how they compare, IF there is a place you know of for such an encounter LOL!
heh, well have to see ;)
@@AutoAutopsy when i finally get there i will have replaced the head gasket, #3 piston, all rod bearings, iol pan gasket & finally will have my Aero back in full power...cant wait lol, at least i dont have to do all this on the side of I10 LOL! What a Saab story this has become LOL
So next bigger turbo ??
Lol, maybe a 19T down the road. Well see!!
19T requires a stage 1+ tune, bigger injectors, colder plugs, and I'd recommend better coils, clutch, and fuel pump.
Hey man,after watching this, the reasons you have for the misfires lead me to question whether my stage 1 from Vermont tuning might be the cause of my misfires. It's typically the 2nd cylinder code and it occurs in the 3-4k RPM range. My plan was to replace the coil pack but should I do something with the tune instead? Please help!
probably is your plugs or coils. the jzw tune was just trash...vermont tuning is much better. could always ask him tho!
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Nice post. I'm old school. The bottom line is the 1/4 mile. Get her on the track. Don't ruin your clutch. Just ease out of the hole, but let's see the time.....
Well see 🤔
How do i get in touch with you regarding a Saab Turbo X I’m purchasing?
i think i've since had a conversation with you!
what was the diffrence with the jz without the dp and ic compared to the same tune with them
Check out the pinned comment; I explained it a bit better there
you drive in the 5gear or why you have 2700rpm at 80miles/130kmh ?
Jonny Peacer 2700 Rpm is 6th gear which us still very low, my Saab 900 does 120km/h with 3000 rpm (5th gear)
@@asssiesgaming453 Mine 9-3 ss does 150 kph at 3000 rpm (5th gear)
6th is the highest gear so that's what I'd be cruising in. I'd say about 2800rpm or so at 80mph
why the 9 5 look like it's the same size as th 9 3 and speaking of 9 3 what happened to your other one
The 9-5 is bigger and I still have it!
Nice! :)
thanks!
What octane number is it tune for?
91, US rating
to get more power you need to uncap the injectors or get bigger injectors and a higher fuel pump.. fuel pump alone will do nothing .. you need to do the injectors and pump.. as on the dyno the pump was not maxing out yet
I think his plan is to do the pump for engine safety reasons, which is wise as so many people do engine work and just expect their ancient fuel pump to keep up.
@@bunter6 very true it's a good idea.. i agree but for more power etc is what i meant
My pump is probably on its way out, so I’ll probably go aftermarket when it comes time to replace it
@@AutoAutopsy i agree you dont want it to leaning out.. when you do get the injectors upgraded so you can take advantage of all your upgrades .. you will see the biggest impact..
@@AutoAutopsy I'm installing an AEM 340 pump in the stock housing on mine. Shouldn't break a sweat on my stage 0 Vtune and will easily keep up when I eventually upgrade the turbo
Try V-Tuner
Why dont you use the engine cover my friend??
Never put it back on after the Intercooler. Think I might hang it in the garage 🤔
I Had an Aero and the dealer broke it changing the battery. It too is on my garage wall.
Did u do colder plugs??
Nope
Auto Autopsy I thought it was a requirement after gettin any mods lol. My Saab’s coils went bad right after I got it tuned 😂🤣
As you saw, it misfired a tad with JZW; haven't had that with Maptun yet. Might be coming in the future as the weather cools down though, lol
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oof
I'm a bit confused.
Are you at a high altitude there? Is it possible in Arizona?
I dynoed my bone stock Turbo X (6MT) on a Mustang Dyno (Linked AWD drums)
Their SHOP car was a Focus RS. It made 240 WHP stock. (Focus RS is rated at 350 BHP)
My car's stock dyno looks nearly identical to your JZW + Mods dyno... I'm really confused. I'm stock down to the paper filter. This is no high reading dyno.
I assumed my car had a stock flash because it felt slow, and only made peak of 13.3 PSI to reach it's numbers mid range. This was with correction factor but I was dynoing in 105 degree heat.
My stock 2006 Aero (6MT) made 225 FWHP and 252 FWTQ on a Dynojet which as far as I know reads expected.
Just really confused here.
Just by looking at how fast your car fell off, I'm guessing that you're Density Altitude must be pretty unfavorable for you?
FWD is gonna give you higher readings because of power only going to two wheels, therefore less drivetrain loss needs to be accounted for. The JZW tune was obviously pretty bad with the mods, so I would almost disregard those numbers. I'd recommend checking the original video if you haven't already! I'm in Phoenix (1100ft), so not high altitude (but do have heat)
I like your chanel, cars and all, but I just dont know how to forgive you for using apple products 😂
Lol, well it might please to you to know I'm trying this from my Mac ;)
This car sound so sexy!
Thank you!!
one bad..its so small but so heavy...so we need moore hp than 340
it's still a quick car
Next do injectors and turbo and get a real tune
Maptun is a real tune, lol
Fu.... k Others opinion on power on you car. You have at Speciel car, that Is 12 years old, and it is stil fast compare to others. Even people whit a Bugatti Veron have haters. I like you videos for the good info tips and trick. So Thank you for sharing :-)
lol thank you!
Ok, this is epic
JZW and Maptune are not even close to quality tune like Brian from vermont tuning. i have an 08 9-3 aero automatic that is 320 HP at 93 octane from a stage zero from VT. I've been watching your videos lately and they are awesome but for the life of me why you don't use VT considering brian is a genius ( literally ) when it comes to saab.
He's great, but no need to discredit maptun lol! JZW is doodoo tho!
320/375 crank. Meh. Basic tune from vtuner will safely do better than that bone stock.
I'd like to see that on the dyno though, lol
@@AutoAutopsy Dyno sheets are online for said tune without any mods.
@@AutoAutopsy Yes the Vtune basic tune without hardware mods does 320hp 400tq at the crank. He has dynos posted and also has 1/4 mile times(even better tell of power) for the 2.8 fwd. His basic tune (Stage 0) gives you 265-275 hp at the wheels. His 1/4 mile time is high 13s for stage 0 automatic. With a turbo x and manual on his tune I can't imagine the awesomeness it'll be on that tune nor the higher staged 1 or 2 which would probably put the this car in stock kia stinger 3.3 GT territory with `330hp at the wheels and about 370tq at the wheels.
JZW has always been the slightly cheaper option but I've heard of a few people having issues with his tunes so what you experienced didn't surprise me in this video with his tune on the dyno. It was confirmed when you switched to a well known tuner like Maptun and got smoother better sounding tune as you saw yourself. Some people seem to do fine on his tunes but a few seem to have issues enough so that it turned me towards other tuners. He has lots more experience with the 2.0 and 2.3 (his car is the fastest 2.3 I think for the 1/4 in the U.S or something don't know if it's still the case).
@@mav3ric100 I believe the Vtuner stage 0 is 330HP at crank? I think you've got a slight typo saying 320
@@KPalmTheWise it's 320 at the crank check his site. Don't know what you mean otherwise because i never stated 330. His 9-5NG 2.8 Aero stage 0 tune is 335hp at the crank. So unless you're mistaking things.