UsefulCharts u should do a chart about the Emperors of Mexico 🇲🇽 it might be your shortest chart ever! And one chart on who would be Emperor of Mexico if the Mexican Empire was restored cuz I think Agustín de Iturbide had issue, I don’t know about Maximilian having any issue.
Pill Cosby not really it depended whether you were a liberal or a conservative. If u were liberal u supported Juarez and the Republicans but if u were conservative u supported the monarchy with it came support from the Catholic Church which was very anti-Juarez. With the country being mostly Catholic lots of devoted Catholics supported the Maximilian monarchy. My own family was divided at that time with my mother’s family supporting the monarchy and the conservatives while my father’s family supporting the liberals and Juarez. In other words it was a very complicated time in Mexican history.
Fun fact: The town of Goliad, Texas is named after Father Hidalgo as an anagram. Since the pronunciation of "H" is silent in the Spanish language, it was never used when coming up with "Goliad".
I am Salvadoran American and lately I've been digging more and more Mexican culture and history. When I was a kid I was confused and hated ranchera music, I don't know why but now that Im growing up I really appreciate Mexican music. Thanks for this video
Facts 😭😭 This is such a good video and a long awaited one for the entire history of youtube no video ever came close to describing this topic so good!!! Please do more mexican history videos!
Points to mention. 1. Hidalgo most likely retreated because as you noted on point two, he fear mass pillaging, looting and killing , which was happening most of the time and his generals were concern with the non existing organization of the army that had allowed those acts which debilitated the movement, so much so that prominent General Ignacio Allende thought of killing HIdalgo. Also a major reason why Iturbide did not join the rebellion. 2. When Iturbide was made Emperor the first congress instead trying to put out policies to organize the country, was planing to assassinate him, so he disbanded the congress once he heard of this, however the second congress did not help either, which negated him his abdication. He wanted to abdicate because he wanted the hostilities to end. Once Guerrero, Guadalupe Victoria, Antonio Lopez de Santa Ana swore allegiance and even were members of his government turn on him. 3. Iturbide return to Mexico because he heard that Spain was planning to invade Mexico and he wanted help against the reconquista. In 1829 Spain sent an expedition force from cuba to Mexico how ever they were defeated. Note to mention the fortress of San Juan de Ulua In Veracruz was still control by Spain up until 1825. Mexico plan to take control of Cuba however in the battle of Mariel Mexico was defeated by Spain.
Adding to 1, his army likely also decreased in size because of logistics. Feeding an army of 100.000 men is very hard, likely impossible for any long time, without railroads or at least trucks. Thus it would have to be decreased in size as the foodstuffs soldiers had brought with them started to run out.
I cannot imagine the constant struggle Mexico went through to just exist. It baffles me that none of my history classes ever touched upon Mexico & what it went through.
Well it makes sense, history class is only so many hours per school year and there is a lot to cover. Each curriculum is tailored to what is seemingly important to your administrative area. In my schooling, we learned a lot about viking and manx history, but I live in Finland now and they don't teach either of those here. It isn't seen as applicable. Did I get some Mexican history... Only very little and only for the 3 month block of my GCSEs that related to the American West.
Side note for any that might not know much about Mexican history- Honestly it’s quite a hassle trying to find the exact or definitive story of events. Mostly because there tends to be diverse or conflicting versions of what happened. Prime example the father of independence himself, all his portraits are fake. There were never any accurate portrait of him made while he was alive. All existing imagery is based from vague descriptions of him, or entirely made up. Also there are many instances where most of what was recorded in the books was actually written down a generation or 2 after the actual events had occurred. And like with the portraits, based from vague, sometimes subjective, recounts of the events. Anyways great video, summarizes the independence well.
If I remember correctly there is actually an accurate depiction of Hidalgo, there is a tiny clay statue in a museum which if I remember correctly was made by a follower of him. However yes most portraits of him were made up during Maximilian's reign if I remember correctly.
The fact that Mexico had such a shitty time existing for a whole century, it's a miracle how well off Mexico is nowadays. At least the standard of living in many areas is comparable to some more well-off countries, aside from the drug cartels.
@@hectorvega621 Its because its not entirely Mexico´s fault, the drug addiction in the US keeps demanding drugs to come from Colombia to Mexico all the way to the US
@@g_g1241 I know. The US has to much influence, they force Latin America into the Drug Wars, and then complain about Asylum seekers. The US needs to end it's Drug Wars, same for all of Latin America. However there is more than just the Drug Wars, but getting that out of the way is a step in the right direction.
Thank you for the video. Mexico is such a large country with a significant culture heritage, so don't hesitate to make even longer video for people like me, who want to understand the people and culture more.
As one who teaches history to Florida students, I will be recommending the first part of this video- where you explain some of the culture and the casta system, to anyone who wants to understand it in a few minutes. If you do re-edit parts of this video, then this first part, with a Florida history tag added to the description, would probably be a popular video. Either way, good info, thanks!
Please don't use it for what you say, the caste system really did not exist. At least not as a racially determined social pyramid. You want proof, take a look at José María Morelos y Pavón, one of the most important independence leaders, he had portraits done when he was alive so we have a good idea of what he looked like. He was classified a "Spaniard". The term criollo existed but was never used by anybody who didn't want to be insulting.
@@nikofrost If you want to use a beautiful book on the caste issue look up Ilona Katzew, Casta Painting. Images of race in eighteenth century Mexico. It is a study of the art work that popularized the idea of Castas during the 1700s. And it has fantastic paintings your students will love to see. There is a short little history of independence by Timothy Henderson, The Mexican war of Independence and it is a reasonable brief treatment of the topic. Personally I think it oversimplifies the issues and especially the nature of popular participation in the war but it is succinct. On the issue of race and caste in Mexico there have been many works that point out the problems with equating casta status (that is to say where you were assigned in the Caste system) with race and equating Casta status with class. See Rodney Anderson "Race and Social Stratificacion: A comparison of Working Call Spaniards, Indians and Castas en Guadalajara in 1821" in the Hispanic American Historical Review, 1988 which pretty much shows that casta designations did not correspond to economic position. My favorite recent study is by José González, Mestizaje de Papel which is a study of parish records in one town in Michoacan and what he found is that people were assigned "casta" status according to the whims of the priest or families. So that in fact you had individuals whose parents would be categorized as Indians but the kids could be Spaniards. Priests did this because they could charge more for a baptism of a Spaniard than for an Indian (priests lived off the fees for their services oftentimes.) So that makes the entire casta determining something like the war of independence problematic. That book is in Spanish but other historians have also tackled this issue, Patricia Seed, William Taylor and John Chance (Chance has an entire book on the topic, Race and class in Colonial Oaxaca.) So no, this in not my personal opinion. I think the author of the youtube probably read John Lynch The Spanish American Revolutions, and picked up the casta argument. But the book is pretty old and inspired many historians to go out and test the idea. They found it doesn´t work. Unfortunately great simple explanations for monumental events are hard to kill, so it still gets put out there as plausible.
Al final se resume en ganas de tomar el poder. Por peninsulares y criollos. Es curioso k Los unionistas eran en su mayoria mulatos y mestizos y Los independentistas penisulares y criollos. Al final una de los estados mas poderosos y avanzados del mundo, como lo fue nueva españa se ha convertido en un autentico desastre. Como la mayoria de Los estados americanos post indepencia.
Sí, cada vez es interesante aprender más sobre su país a traves los ojos de alguien de un país diferente. Y desgraciadamente a veces estos videos en RUclips son mejor que clases de historia en la escuela, donde no hay tiempo para explicar el contexto. Saludos cordiales a México desde la República Checa!
@@Ghostmanetx If I did RUclips full time than yes, but sadly I do not. I don't make enough money from this channel to support myself financially full time.
@@MLaserHistory Yea but within those 5 years you’ve put out other videos which I’m sure you could’ve cooked one up about the Mexican Revolution of the 1910s.
What's "revolution" but a name? The "American Revolution" is for Spanish-speakers and many others just "the North American War of Independence". If you don't behead a king or a dozen, then it's not revolution enough, also slavery... no self-respecting revolution maintains slavery, in today's speech (normally) "revolution" is a class war uprising, everything else is not. I don't see anything more or less revolutionary in the Mexican War of Independence than in the North American one.
Yeah, I think the Revolution is more well known than the war of independence because the US got involved somewhat in the Revolution, but not independence
@Galleta de Soda - And what did I say that made you think you had to "correct" me on that? I know all that very well, it's just that we often say "norteamericano" instead of "estadounidense" or "gringo". Sure: there are other countries in the continent of North America, such as Honduras, Nicaragua, Greenland, Cuba and what-not but still the lack of a proper name for the USA and its sheer size make it as similar to "North America" as the EU is to "Europe".
@Galleta de Soda - Whatever, man. I know my native language, I live not far from where it was first documented, so whatever. I think the lazy ones are North Americans or Americans in generl for not having a war on nomenclature as Greece and North Macedonia almost had. The most adequate name for the USA is... Virginia.
Thank you. And yeah, I understand what you mean. When I started the research for this topic I couldn't find a good all encompassing book on the subject. It was always some kind of a weird take on the revolution, whether it be religious one ("Quetzalcóatl and Guadalupe") or nationalistic one ("The Dynamic of Mexican Nationalism"), etc. In the end I ended up reading three different books and combining it with Wikipedia to get some kind of a full story.
The Anti-Spanish propaganda made sure there wasn't much data to keep a "viable" research approach, and what is left is manipulated and rewritten history. “History is written by the victors” (Sir Winston Churchill)
@@michaeloswal9847 sounds like it wasnt very different to what the Spanish INVADERS did to the Natives...burning Mexica Libraries and codecies.....and bringing in the Christian MYTH to control the populations..
@@mr.e3894 taking under consideration that those claiming such statement are the same ones claiming genocide yet Spanish controled areas are the only territories with full natives walking freelly. And those same territories and nations are the only ones where you can visit full builded culture buildings constructed for natives. I understand you can lack of common sense, but use your logic; it shouldnt be that hard. Even a 5 years old can add 1 + 1
@@michaeloswal9847 " Claiming" ?!? 😁🤣😁 Hardly! Please, tell me how many ORIGINAL Mexica codecies are in existence today? How about Mayan texts? I will await your answer.... Your defense of the Spanish INVASION is feeble, at best. Your right wing revisionism will not work here, buddy.
Agustín de Iturbide, the man Mexico needed but didn't deserve. His nickname, the Iron Dragon, was not unfounded. He was a near military genius, and in reality, his administrative shortcomings have been significantly played up by his political opponents throughout history. Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna (yes, the same Santa Anna who lost to the US in the Mexican-American war) was one of the main men leading the uprising against Iturbide in 1823 in favour of a republic. Santa Anna would later in life admit that at the time, he had no idea what a republic actually was. His actual reasoning for rising up was that Iturbide had removed him from his position as customs-master of Veracruz, Mexico's largest and most important port, where Santa Anna had been embezzling and mismanaging the customs to a horrifying degree.
@Galleta de Soda Egotistical yes idiot no. I mean he enchanted the nation by allowing him to serve that many times as president, he would raise up armies from nothing. And yes he was one of the generals who participate in the Mexican American war he was not the one to blame. At the time when the war broke out he was exile in Cuba and he was having conversation with the EEUU to let him safe passage so he could end the war and come to a deal however that did not happen. The Mexican Govt. at the time was also talking to him since they had no more competent generals and wanted him to command the main army he agreed. When he landed in Mexico he mustered more soldiers and resources and was about to defeat Zachary Taylor but was called back my the Mexican Govt. who had armed the populace in Mexico City to fight of the Americans however they started a rebellion and Govt. wanted Santa Anna to assist them.
@@j.d.5626 Yo siempre eh mirado k españa era invasor asta el los años 1800s pork las deciciones eran tomadas por españa y no por la gente k vivia en mexico
I came to watch this video because I recently received a board game from Mexican publisher Malinche Games covering this very topic. It's called Patria Libre, and is in both Spanish and English. Thank you for a very well-done and informative introduction tp this period of history. Now when I play as Father Hidalgo (or Venegas), I'll have some background as I make my moves.
@@1979cl1 yeah but that's in northern Mexico the economic region of the country the south is pretty safe but just lacks the infrastructure Mexico would probably be top 10 economy if the south was developed
Was Belize ever part of the Mexican Empire? This map among a few others shows it as such, yet from what I know, British Honduras had been established long before then.
Belize was always under Spanish control. However this did not mean that the British and specially British buccaneers didn't try to control the area specially for it's valuable logwood. However these where always very much disputed claims, with New Spain almost always coming up on top. "After the 1763 Treaty of Paris conceded to Britain the right to cut logwood but asserted Spanish sovereignty over the territory." this was suppose to settle the problem but it largely continued in a disputed state until the Mexican independence.
british honduras wasn't recongnized by either Spain or Mexico until Belize declare Independence from UK. When Central America splitted out from Mexico, the issue of British Honduras stopped to be a problem for the mexican government as that territory then was considered part of Guatemala.
Excellent video. Perfect to watch after Mexico’s Independence Day was just a few days ago. You did butcher a lot of names though. The “gu” in Miguel it’s pronounced the same way as in “Guitar” Guadalupe is pronounced as “Wa-da-loo-pay” and Iturrigaray is pronounced as “Ee-too-ree-gah-ra-ee” not “ha-ra-ee” Other than that, great video
Thank you for making this video! I was very interested in this subject matter after learning about the economic aspect of the fall of the Spanish empire.
Wow I'm mexican and this video is awesome my elementary history clases in one video, your pronuntation is really really good, i'm excited with your channel, thats all, thanks
And I...GuadalOOP.... Great video and I have always wondered what Mexico would have been if the Monarchies would have been left to prosper? Not convenient for the USA of course but Mexico's internal problems have always been terrible, up to today! It's fascinating how we had two Emperors in North America. Oh my Mexico, you would have been great and hopefully less violent. I have visited the tombs of both Emperor Agustin de Iturbide and Emperor Maximilian von Hapsburg. Such great legacies that are being rewritten to their formal glory as their stories have been stained by the opposing powers. But the truth always comes out! Hello from Mexico! Great video! Thank you! Could you do one of the Second Mexican Empire?! Cheers! Saludos!
Great video! But please choose a different map for the background. I couldn't focus on what you were talking about often because of the jarring colors (and their irrelevance), and I kept wondering what yellow and red meant. A simple, single color map would've made it much easier for me to focus. That being said, great stuff! I'm a new sub
Same, it took me some time after I figured it's height. For the st* commentor: height on the map is totally irrelevant, like OP said. We are listening to one thing and seeing something irrelevant, while what we expect is the different parties control of the map.
I presume the yt algorythm doesnt like you. I subbed months ago (since your video on the austro hungarian navy) and didnt see you uploaded until i started cleaning my subs and remembered you exist.. And look at that, video uploaded two days ago that never showed up in my feed or daily digest.. Great video though and im glad i subbed.
Thank you :) I have released a bunch of videos since that one so maybe check those out too. I particularly enjoyed my Christmas special on Good King Wenceslas. But over all yeah, RUclips's algorithm is known to disfavor historical content in general. The theory is that it can be too contentious for RUclips's liking special when talking about the 20th century but we (we as in History RUclipsrs) don't know for sure.
Sup'... just as an FYI for all of you international viewers... on 6:16, it's supposed to sound "gwa-da-loo-pay" (Gua-da-lu-pe). If you visit Mexico, locals might not get what did you mean if you pronounce it as in the video. Once again, a tip of advice from a Mexican national. Excellent video btw!
Nice video is well done. I only need to mention one bug: The 5 Central American states gained independence from Spain in 1821 before Iturbide became King/Emperor. He refused to recognize this independence and send the Mexican army to Guatemala to re-unify the segments but was stopped at San Salvador/El Salvador. After laying siege to that city for months he resisted and returned to Mexico to deal with a revolt.
Great video on México’s independence, it’d be interesting to see ya do a video on Peru’s independence, probably South America’s independence struggle most shrouded in mystery, deception, betrayal, and opportunism. Greetings from Peru 🇵🇪
Hmmmm in this case I fail to see any far left faction. To be fair, this was a conflict between a group of asshole aristocrats vs. another group of asshole aristocrats. Neither of them (save perhaps Morelos or maybe Guerrero) were very left leaned, as they weren't really asking for the kind of shit that, say the French revolutionaries wanted. Come to think of it, there's barely any relevant far left groups in Mexico's history up until right now. Only some literally communist guerillas now and then that were vanquished pretty quickly come to mind. Shit, for the first time in around 100 years, Mexico finally has a left leaning president in charge, and imo he may be more centrist than leftist...
@@broodjeal-cohol5033 I would very much like to be enightened about what is it that is "not true". We can see world history peppered with examples where extreme views and extreme actions never brought anything good to fruit. And it can be said of any sort of views political or otherwise, be it the extreme left Wich brought us memorable atrocities such as the Stalin regime, as to the "tight", of which there are numerous examples besides the obvious common place that shared the coin of totalitarianism. A lesser known examples of extreme right without falling on common places: McCarthyism (all proportions considered, i wouldn't dare say the stalinist atrocities, are even in the same ballpark, yet I think we can agree that neither radical stances left anything that could be considered "Good". Again, with the notable exception of sex, extreme "anything" has never brought about anything good for anyone....
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@@kishinasura1504 I believe you're confusing mediocrity and conformism with a reasonable aversion for extreme ideologies. It is a common mistake if you're not aquanted with Thomas Aquinas's "Just temperance" (there is a better English term for it but I can't seem to recall it right now). The point is that radical views throughout history have had the common trait of dividing and creating conflict where solutions not based on zero-sums are perfectly possible. One side will not listen to the other, because no compromise is desirable for extremists. Either one side wins and the other one loses, and we'll be dog darned if we're going to be on the loser side... That sort of stance never leads to anything good. While I agree with Rev.King's views where there is a minimum level where one should not compromise (values, ethics, religious views, and inalienable rights for example) most conflicts lay well outside the line of no compromise. That is not to say that one should stand idly in the center, which is an equaly valid and fiercely defensible position in the face of radicalism of any kind. Besides exremsisms, you know what else never brought anything good to anyone? False dichotomies. There are very diverse alternatives that usually lie between "with us" and "against us"
he was the man , and after him Francisco I. MAdero, unfortunally Madero was killed by Huerta in a plan signed by the American govermment in their embassy, tha plan was to put a puppet president wich caused the Mexican revolution
Great video, I'm from Mexico and honestly in the schools here they gloss over many details and add a pinch of ideology, and you have to study the same period every year in history and it's really boring.
@@creatingkinok the liberal one. The Mexican history books in school always demonize the conservatives while presenting the liberals as the good guys. An example would be the Austrian emperor. they represent him as a dictator omitting the fact that he had liberal values and even offered Juárez(the head of the liberals that fought off the French invasion of Mexico) the chance to make peace and make him his prime minister, which had that happened Mexico today would be a constitutional monarchy, and possibly never faced a revolution
@@LuisAldamiz Zapata only care about land reform and had no national project, much like Doroteo Arango (Pancho Villa). So, its not even a comparison by a lot.
@Galleta de Soda - Zapata was NOT a war criminal at all: his behavior and that of his followers was always exquisite. When the revolutionaries entered Mexico City, the Villistas took what they wanted, the Zapatistas asked for it and did not impose their will on anyone. Zapata is better than Jesus.
Ok, let me explain when Madero called to arms the populace his banner was no re-election and uphold the constitution however he turn out given the turmoil his hands were tied to implement any land reform so Zapata rose up his forces against and was mostly strictly operating in Morelos. When Madero was assassinated other caudillos rose up against Huerta and the Civil war began. Caudillos such as Venustiano Carranza had National ran on upholding the constitution and Pancho Villa was part for a time in his army. Carranza comparison to Zapata did have a national project by trying to create a constitution with the help of other caudillos and intellectuals, representatives from Zapata also had a say in this new constitution, and that was his only extent. Zapata like Pancho never wanted to be president, so yeah he was not a missed opportunity since he was never at the same table.
The whole video was awesome but I found most interesting that bit around 3:36 about the Aztec nobility getting assimilated into the Spanish one. I'm guessing it includes or maybe even especially refers to the other than Mexica Nahuatl-speaking groups, particularly the Tlaxcalans, who resisted incorporation into the Aztec Empire and were the chief native allies of Cortes.
Yes you could say they where the main ones or at least the main ones on display. But in fact the incorporation of local nobility in to the Spanish nobility wasn't that uncommon. It happened in the Philippines and in South America as well. One particularly interesting story of this happening is that some decedents of Moctezuma the Second where given noble status and then later moved to Spain. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Moctezuma_de_Tultengo
@@Artur_M. the written accounts of Hernán Cortés meeting with Moctezuma Ilhuicamina, Aztec emperor at the time, describe the deference and respect that Cortez shows to the emperor, in line with Spanish protocol for addressing nobles and Royalty. It's quite a read. Moctezuma -the story goes- was fascinated by the armor and mount of the Spaniards, and it was a stroke of luck that a comet(probably Halley's) was expected to make it's appearance according to Aztec astrological records, (they were keen observers of the stars) this "portent of the heavens" was associated with the prophecy of the return of Quetzalcoatl,the feathered snake a diety described as a pale skinned and bearded man. You could imagine Moctezuma's state of mind when news of the arrival of the Spaniards in veracruz got to him
A similar agreement to the one in Mexico worked out in Brazil; in fact, our independence was even more conservative than that as slavery was kept unchanged for a half a century after it. But that was only doable due to the fact that the conservatives took charge of the independence process and we did have a Portuguese nobleman to put in the throne - in fact, the heir of the Portuguese throne himself. As for a Portuguese invasion, that wasn't a major threat after the whole of Brazil was put under the rule of the central government. That and the fact that the Portuguese court had moved to Brazil some fifteen years before, combined with the cohesion of the Brazilian elite against Portugal and the fact that there wasn't such a strong caste system in Brazil, also influenced why the plan of making a negotiated transition did work in Brazil, though. Also, our geography is probably easier to unite than Mexico's.
I think Peninsulares were in the top of the caste system because they didn't see "Mexico" as something more than a colony, They were loyal to the King and that was the best way to avoid revolutions or rebellions from the central government
He didnt marched directly to mexico city because unlike his army he didnt want a bloodshed, he was a father after all, and after the brutal massacre of spaniards in the "alondriga de granaditas" he knew that his troops were going to burn that city to ashes, ironically that decision made that war take even more lives from both sides, and also the last viceroyal didnt just scape, Juan de O'donojú was also a symphatizer of the movement of iturbide, but he wanted mexico to be a colony nonetheless, he didnt want to be under the Bonaparte family or the spanish crown but he also didnt want to be independent either (this was similar to Hidalgos thoughts, he never fought for independence, he fought to recognize the bourbon spanish crown as the only Crown of spain, not the bonaparte one that was currently ruling), However obviously Iturbide and Guerrero disagreed so he angrily left the country (he also was a mason for some reason)
I think the example of the Americans kicking out the British to the North, and the slave uprising in Haiti kicking out the French played a huge role in the mentality of those in the Spanish Empire, and Brazil, which experienced the same disruptions by Napoleon and revolted simultaneously.
M. Laser History, I recommend a super interesting video topic involving Latin America, the Spanish, the British and even prerevolution USA all in one...the war of Jenkins ear. It includes one of the largest amphibious invations in history, the brother of George Washington, and a guy who was missing an eye an arm and a leg. And it's a piece of epic history that is virtually unknown.
The picture you chose to represent the liberal revolution in Spain/the Spanish liberals ( e.g.: 15:58 ) is actually the proclamation of Idependence of Brazil, by Emperor Pedro I, in 1822....
Yeah and the parliament I show right after that (13:25) was actually the Portuguese parliament after their liberal revolution but in my defense it happened at the same time as the Spanish one and had almost the same name. Over all I was aware of this but it was too late to change it when I found out.
In 1816 General Martín Francisco Javier Mina y Larrea traveled to Haiti by request of Simon Bolivar to garner support from this island nation. Haitian President Alexandre Petion graciously offered hundreds of Haitian soldiers, arms, supplies and ships to help Mexico fight Spain in Galveston. The support was granted on condition that Mexican officials free their enslaved population. An event of this magnitude should not be glossed over or edited from history. Haiti was by far the most significant backer of liberation across the entire South American continent. This is absolutely worthy of mention in all discussions regarding Mexican Independence.
The term colony does not apply to the Spanish Empire. This is used to create/force an equalizer between Spanish rule and other forms of governments by other European powers of the time. It simply was not. Colony is what was in the 13 Colonies, and French Territories like Haiti. Where a division was imposed and different rules were applied on the population, like how the British criollos aka Americans were not represented in the British Parliament. "No taxation without representation." As you clearly talk in the video, the Spanish ruled people had the Council of Indies, audiencia, cabildos, etc. A mulato as long as he was free, and they often were, had the same rights of a free white peninsular. Another thing is that there might be bias and barring of opportunities on SOME areas because of family background like being the child of a slave, etc. The barring of positions of power did not occur everywhere, for example the first major of LA was a mulato. In Paname City forensic and genetic evidence showed that about half the people buried in the old prestigious cemetery of the city, aka people who had enough prestige and money to be buried there, were actually people of mixed heritage, like mestizos and mulatos, etc. And examples like this are all over the place in the Spanish empire. The ones to bar POC were often the oligarquies entrenched in the major cities of the viceroyalties that did not doubt to jump the boat like Iturrigaray, Bolivar, etc etc. when the vacuum of power occured with the French invasion and whose families still hold political power in the countries of Spanish America today. My point is that this did not happen in the named colonies of the British and French, the children of British were not allowed representation in Parliament or the ear of the king, nor were the people of color as they are called in the US represented in government on equal footing as free whites in Haiti during the 1st French Republic. As a side note, mixed marriages were encouraged in the testament of Queen Isabel in 1504. Over 4 centuries passed before mixed marriages were legalized in the former British Colonies known today like the US... I repeat myself; the Spanish Empire was an Empire. An empire that lasted over 3 centuries and covered 20 million squares km, with different peoples with multiple languages, multiple religions, with equal protection under the laws, and privileges based on this or that, that seemed fair, or that kept the peace. Like the self-governance of the lands of Natives, and their nobles. That system of government was more in accord with Ancient Rome, and US today, that a British or French Colony of the time. I said my piece. However, I want to point out some good things you said, and I appreciate. Great job. Kuddos for bringing up the part that Native American elites that capitulated to the empire, kept their territories, privileges and received treatment of nobles same as European nobilities. Too often ignorant people make it seem like in the Spanish Empire POC were treated as POC were treated in the colonies of the other European powers. Thank you.
I knew like nothing of this. I didn't even know that Philippines were part of New Spain! (I knew the philippines were a colony of Spain but i didn't know they counted as part of New Spain)
@@MLaserHistory The Philippines and Mexico have a historical connection. There are some Filipinos participated in the Mexican war of independence against Spain. Two of them became General under Jose Maria Morelos.www.friendlyborders.org/news/beyond-pacquiao-and-boxing-revisiting-filipino-mexican-cultural-ties/
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Can you do a video on Brazil on how it became a monarchy after independence and then from a republic
Can you learn how to speak like you’re not taking a crap? Hope you’re not a teacher. Monotone and boring!
I wish Philippines gain independence from Spain in 1950
Nice work ! Very interesting,
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Wow. I learned so much from this video. I didn't realize how little I knew about Mexican history.
UsefulCharts u should do a chart about the Emperors of Mexico 🇲🇽 it might be your shortest chart ever! And one chart on who would be Emperor of Mexico if the Mexican Empire was restored cuz I think Agustín de Iturbide had issue, I don’t know about Maximilian having any issue.
Juan Ferreira most Mexicans saw Maximilian as a foreign usurper and wanted him dead.
Pill Cosby not really it depended whether you were a liberal or a conservative. If u were liberal u supported Juarez and the Republicans but if u were conservative u supported the monarchy with it came support from the Catholic Church which was very anti-Juarez. With the country being mostly Catholic lots of devoted Catholics supported the Maximilian monarchy. My own family was divided at that time with my mother’s family supporting the monarchy and the conservatives while my father’s family supporting the liberals and Juarez. In other words it was a very complicated time in Mexican history.
Hey, I dare you to seach the actual Mexican emperor of the house of inturbide and make a video about that, difficult challenge I guess
@@ferrjuan Maximiliano was even more liberal than Juarez btw
This was epic. I'm going to have to show this one to my students.
Oh yes, and please consider showing them that one about the origins of the Good King Wenceslas carol before Christmas because that video is amazing.
Oh hello Mr beat.
Mr Beat Mr Beat
PLEASE DO!!
That was wholesome
oh my gosh, y'all know how rare videos focused on Mexican Independence are on YT?? Thanks
Fun fact: The town of Goliad, Texas is named after Father Hidalgo as an anagram. Since the pronunciation of "H" is silent in the Spanish language, it was never used when coming up with "Goliad".
I am Salvadoran American and lately I've been digging more and more Mexican culture and history. When I was a kid I was confused and hated ranchera music, I don't know why but now that Im growing up I really appreciate Mexican music. Thanks for this video
You can appreciate Mexican history, AND hate ranchera music, as many Mexicans (myself included) do.
Ranchera music is excellent.
I am hate the ranchera music
@@peragallo Definitely not Mexican, you speak more English than "Oh sorry, no speak English".
try son jarocho, Mexican folk
Facts 😭😭
This is such a good video and a long awaited one for the entire history of youtube no video ever came close to describing this topic so good!!! Please do more mexican history videos!
Points to mention.
1. Hidalgo most likely retreated because as you noted on point two, he fear mass pillaging, looting and killing , which was happening most of the time and his generals were concern with the non existing organization of the army that had allowed those acts which debilitated the movement, so much so that prominent General Ignacio Allende thought of killing HIdalgo. Also a major reason why Iturbide did not join the rebellion.
2. When Iturbide was made Emperor the first congress instead trying to put out policies to organize the country, was planing to assassinate him, so he disbanded the congress once he heard of this, however the second congress did not help either, which negated him his abdication. He wanted to abdicate because he wanted the hostilities to end. Once Guerrero, Guadalupe Victoria, Antonio Lopez de Santa Ana swore allegiance and even were members of his government turn on him.
3. Iturbide return to Mexico because he heard that Spain was planning to invade Mexico and he wanted help against the reconquista. In 1829 Spain sent an expedition force from cuba to Mexico how ever they were defeated. Note to mention the fortress of San Juan de Ulua In Veracruz was still control by Spain up until 1825. Mexico plan to take control of Cuba however in the battle of Mariel Mexico was defeated by Spain.
Adding to 1, his army likely also decreased in size because of logistics. Feeding an army of 100.000 men is very hard, likely impossible for any long time, without railroads or at least trucks. Thus it would have to be decreased in size as the foodstuffs soldiers had brought with them started to run out.
Mexico such a wasted opportunities.
A fascinating and beautiful country
Really enjoyed re-learning about this! I was trying to connect Mexico's struggle with Bolivar's in Gran Colombia. Super interesting stuff, dude!
Honestly the situation played out very similarly in Mexico as it did in Columbia and Venezuela with Bolivar.
It's sort of a cultural divide and alienation between Mexico and South America, as we don't share historical heroes or ethnic backgrounds
@@pottertheavenger1363 interesting
I cannot imagine the constant struggle Mexico went through to just exist. It baffles me that none of my history classes ever touched upon Mexico & what it went through.
😅😅😅 21:01
@@ichbinberliner?
Well it makes sense, history class is only so many hours per school year and there is a lot to cover. Each curriculum is tailored to what is seemingly important to your administrative area.
In my schooling, we learned a lot about viking and manx history, but I live in Finland now and they don't teach either of those here. It isn't seen as applicable.
Did I get some Mexican history... Only very little and only for the 3 month block of my GCSEs that related to the American West.
Because Mexico, unless you're involved in the drug business, isn't an important country.
Are you university now? How you going bro?
Side note for any that might not know much about Mexican history-
Honestly it’s quite a hassle trying to find the exact or definitive story of events. Mostly because there tends to be diverse or conflicting versions of what happened.
Prime example the father of independence himself, all his portraits are fake. There were never any accurate portrait of him made while he was alive. All existing imagery is based from vague descriptions of him, or entirely made up.
Also there are many instances where most of what was recorded in the books was actually written down a generation or 2 after the actual events had occurred. And like with the portraits, based from vague, sometimes subjective, recounts of the events.
Anyways great video, summarizes the independence well.
If I remember correctly there is actually an accurate depiction of Hidalgo, there is a tiny clay statue in a museum which if I remember correctly was made by a follower of him. However yes most portraits of him were made up during Maximilian's reign if I remember correctly.
What a dramatic ending! He's the Ned Stark of Mexico. Great video
You sir, have made me smile all day. I thank you for that. :)
Héctor Lecuanda same 😭
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Yes, but he's been stained by mexican public education even worse than Ned Stark
The fact that Mexico had such a shitty time existing for a whole century, it's a miracle how well off Mexico is nowadays. At least the standard of living in many areas is comparable to some more well-off countries, aside from the drug cartels.
Well the Drug war doesn't seem to be ending soon.
@@hectorvega621 Seems like your dumbass didn’t read his comment
@@hectorvega621 Its because its not entirely Mexico´s fault, the drug addiction in the US keeps demanding drugs to come from Colombia to Mexico all the way to the US
@@Nonamelol. I think you need to reread the comment first before you project yourself onto someone.
@@g_g1241 I know. The US has to much influence, they force Latin America into the Drug Wars, and then complain about Asylum seekers. The US needs to end it's Drug Wars, same for all of Latin America. However there is more than just the Drug Wars, but getting that out of the way is a step in the right direction.
Thank you for the video. Mexico is such a large country with a significant culture heritage, so don't hesitate to make even longer video for people like me, who want to understand the people and culture more.
Mexico: in chaos
US: It's free real estate
No hay problema los estamos reconquistando 2019
AtormentaAlmas y los centro americanos los están conquistando a ustedes 😂
@Valmar Hispaniae After that America got wayyy richer than mexico
@@skeptic781 and thats on the California gold rush
@@matthewgarcia6829 industry and other factors aswell. I could go into more detail should you so wish.
Finally a good video about the War of Independence in english. Thank you !! 🇲🇽🇺🇸
As one who teaches history to Florida students, I will be recommending the first part of this video- where you explain some of the culture and the casta system, to anyone who wants to understand it in a few minutes. If you do re-edit parts of this video, then this first part, with a Florida history tag added to the description, would probably be a popular video. Either way, good info, thanks!
Please don't use it for what you say, the caste system really did not exist. At least not as a racially determined social pyramid. You want proof, take a look at José María Morelos y Pavón, one of the most important independence leaders, he had portraits done when he was alive so we have a good idea of what he looked like. He was classified a "Spaniard". The term criollo existed but was never used by anybody who didn't want to be insulting.
@@michaelducey1133 Is there a book which explores this, or is this a personal hypothesis?
@@nikofrost If you want to use a beautiful book on the caste issue look up Ilona Katzew, Casta Painting. Images of race in eighteenth century Mexico. It is a study of the art work that popularized the idea of Castas during the 1700s. And it has fantastic paintings your students will love to see. There is a short little history of independence by Timothy Henderson, The Mexican war of Independence and it is a reasonable brief treatment of the topic. Personally I think it oversimplifies the issues and especially the nature of popular participation in the war but it is succinct. On the issue of race and caste in Mexico there have been many works that point out the problems with equating casta status (that is to say where you were assigned in the Caste system) with race and equating Casta status with class. See Rodney Anderson "Race and Social Stratificacion: A comparison of Working Call Spaniards, Indians and Castas en Guadalajara in 1821" in the Hispanic American Historical Review, 1988 which pretty much shows that casta designations did not correspond to economic position. My favorite recent study is by José González, Mestizaje de Papel which is a study of parish records in one town in Michoacan and what he found is that people were assigned "casta" status according to the whims of the priest or families. So that in fact you had individuals whose parents would be categorized as Indians but the kids could be Spaniards. Priests did this because they could charge more for a baptism of a Spaniard than for an Indian (priests lived off the fees for their services oftentimes.) So that makes the entire casta determining something like the war of independence problematic. That book is in Spanish but other historians have also tackled this issue, Patricia Seed, William Taylor and John Chance (Chance has an entire book on the topic, Race and class in Colonial Oaxaca.) So no, this in not my personal opinion.
I think the author of the youtube probably read John Lynch The Spanish American Revolutions, and picked up the casta argument. But the book is pretty old and inspired many historians to go out and test the idea. They found it doesn´t work. Unfortunately great simple explanations for monumental events are hard to kill, so it still gets put out there as plausible.
Such a beautiful and perfectly explained video
Que curioso que termine aprendiendo acerca de la historia de mi país en un vídeo en ingles xD
Al final se resume en ganas de tomar el poder. Por peninsulares y criollos. Es curioso k Los unionistas eran en su mayoria mulatos y mestizos y Los independentistas penisulares y criollos. Al final una de los estados mas poderosos y avanzados del mundo, como lo fue nueva españa se ha convertido en un autentico desastre. Como la mayoria de Los estados americanos post indepencia.
Sorry I don't speak taco.
@@PrymalDyno Then maybe you should stay out of the discussion.
Sí, cada vez es interesante aprender más sobre su país a traves los ojos de alguien de un país diferente. Y desgraciadamente a veces estos videos en RUclips son mejor que clases de historia en la escuela, donde no hay tiempo para explicar el contexto. Saludos cordiales a México desde la República Checa!
@@AsatorIV saludos desde Guadalajara mx !!
Mexican Revolution of the 1910s next?
Sadly no. Maybe in the future at some point.
@@MLaserHistoryBeen 5 years…you could’ve done it by now
@@Ghostmanetx If I did RUclips full time than yes, but sadly I do not. I don't make enough money from this channel to support myself financially full time.
@@MLaserHistory Yea but within those 5 years you’ve put out other videos which I’m sure you could’ve cooked one up about the Mexican Revolution of the 1910s.
Poor Iturbide. He tried so hard to keep his country together.
I am his relative. Greetings.
@@ianemmanuel2007 wtf? Fr
@@ianemmanuel2007no ur not
@@bini2851 your opinion doesn't change reality. I don't really care.
@@ianemmanuel2007are you serious?
Surprised that we got the war of independence instead of the revolution, not complaining tho, it's a topic that should be more talked about
I wanted to talk about (and also have a reason to research more in to) colonial Mexico so the War of Independence seemed like a perfect choice.
What's "revolution" but a name? The "American Revolution" is for Spanish-speakers and many others just "the North American War of Independence". If you don't behead a king or a dozen, then it's not revolution enough, also slavery... no self-respecting revolution maintains slavery, in today's speech (normally) "revolution" is a class war uprising, everything else is not. I don't see anything more or less revolutionary in the Mexican War of Independence than in the North American one.
Yeah, I think the Revolution is more well known than the war of independence because the US got involved somewhat in the Revolution, but not independence
@Galleta de Soda - And what did I say that made you think you had to "correct" me on that? I know all that very well, it's just that we often say "norteamericano" instead of "estadounidense" or "gringo". Sure: there are other countries in the continent of North America, such as Honduras, Nicaragua, Greenland, Cuba and what-not but still the lack of a proper name for the USA and its sheer size make it as similar to "North America" as the EU is to "Europe".
@Galleta de Soda - Whatever, man. I know my native language, I live not far from where it was first documented, so whatever.
I think the lazy ones are North Americans or Americans in generl for not having a war on nomenclature as Greece and North Macedonia almost had. The most adequate name for the USA is... Virginia.
I love the mention of "The averagely sized Frenchman: Napoleon"
As a mexican, I loved it man, thanks, really...
Can you make something about mexican revolution? You know, 1910...
I learned so much about new spain, it is a region that I am very interested in however there are no good sources on it.
Thank you.
And yeah, I understand what you mean.
When I started the research for this topic I couldn't find a good all encompassing book on the subject. It was always some kind of a weird take on the revolution, whether it be religious one ("Quetzalcóatl and Guadalupe") or nationalistic one ("The Dynamic of Mexican Nationalism"), etc. In the end I ended up reading three different books and combining it with Wikipedia to get some kind of a full story.
The Anti-Spanish propaganda made sure there wasn't much data to keep a "viable" research approach, and what is left is manipulated and rewritten history. “History is written by the victors” (Sir Winston Churchill)
@@michaeloswal9847 sounds like it wasnt very different to what the Spanish INVADERS did to the Natives...burning Mexica Libraries and codecies.....and bringing in the Christian MYTH to control the populations..
@@mr.e3894 taking under consideration that those claiming such statement are the same ones claiming genocide yet Spanish controled areas are the only territories with full natives walking freelly. And those same territories and nations are the only ones where you can visit full builded culture buildings constructed for natives. I understand you can lack of common sense, but use your logic; it shouldnt be that hard. Even a 5 years old can add 1 + 1
@@michaeloswal9847 " Claiming" ?!? 😁🤣😁 Hardly! Please, tell me how many ORIGINAL Mexica codecies are in existence today? How about Mayan texts? I will await your answer.... Your defense of the Spanish INVASION is feeble, at best. Your right wing revisionism will not work here, buddy.
Agustín de Iturbide, the man Mexico needed but didn't deserve. His nickname, the Iron Dragon, was not unfounded. He was a near military genius, and in reality, his administrative shortcomings have been significantly played up by his political opponents throughout history. Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna (yes, the same Santa Anna who lost to the US in the Mexican-American war) was one of the main men leading the uprising against Iturbide in 1823 in favour of a republic. Santa Anna would later in life admit that at the time, he had no idea what a republic actually was. His actual reasoning for rising up was that Iturbide had removed him from his position as customs-master of Veracruz, Mexico's largest and most important port, where Santa Anna had been embezzling and mismanaging the customs to a horrifying degree.
@Galleta de Soda Egotistical yes idiot no. I mean he enchanted the nation by allowing him to serve that many times as president, he would raise up armies from nothing. And yes he was one of the generals who participate in the Mexican American war he was not the one to blame. At the time when the war broke out he was exile in Cuba and he was having conversation with the EEUU to let him safe passage so he could end the war and come to a deal however that did not happen. The Mexican Govt. at the time was also talking to him since they had no more competent generals and wanted him to command the main army he agreed. When he landed in Mexico he mustered more soldiers and resources and was about to defeat Zachary Taylor but was called back my the Mexican Govt. who had armed the populace in Mexico City to fight of the Americans however they started a rebellion and Govt. wanted Santa Anna to assist them.
@@foedustriplex4014 Santa Anna is still the model of the average mexican politician, as we are still enduring from the entire political spectrum.
En historia no nos enseñaron que se le decía el dragón de hierro Xd, todo es culpa de la SEP (;ŏ﹏ŏ), o lo sacaste de Google Xd
I am from DOLORES. Brings tears to my eyes the courage of MIGUEL HIDALGO Y COSTILLA and the people from my city to fight off invaders !!
Era monarquista y peleaba por el Rey, los invasores eran las tropas de Napoleón en España.
@@enzocompanbadillo5365 Exacto, esto fue una guerra civil. Invasores.... Si en 1500
@@j.d.5626 ¿En 1500? Por esos años no existía México todavía. No sé si te estoy entendiendo.
@@enzocompanbadillo5365 interessante. Nunl lo abia bisto desde ese punto. Pero si hay que tener coraje para alsarse en armas contra españa
@@j.d.5626 Yo siempre eh mirado k españa era invasor asta el los años 1800s pork las deciciones eran tomadas por españa y no por la gente k vivia en mexico
Outstanding video! But the image shown at 13:24 is actually from Brazil and Pedro I
@T-Rex Coahuila Pedro I was not a cousin of Maximilian
I came to watch this video because I recently received a board game from Mexican publisher Malinche Games covering this very topic. It's called Patria Libre, and is in both Spanish and English. Thank you for a very well-done and informative introduction tp this period of history. Now when I play as Father Hidalgo (or Venegas), I'll have some background as I make my moves.
I'm grateful for project revolution for introducing me to your channel
i love how this video is dead serious and suddenly at 5:50 there's a "nobody expects the Mexican inquisition" with sombreros and moustaches
Well done, tons of information. Poor Mexico, still in chaos, one of the most beautiful places with fantastic people.
It’s pretty damn fascinating that Mexico still exists and is the has the 15th largest economy in the world after all the shit it’s been through
@@Nonamelol. Mexico survives but still has problems the Cartels
@@1979cl1 yeah but that's in northern Mexico the economic region of the country the south is pretty safe but just lacks the infrastructure Mexico would probably be top 10 economy if the south was developed
México has a war versus the Drug trafficking
@@cachifli870 se está ya trabajando en eso con el nuevo gobierno
Really cool video, nice seing somebody does aknowledge mexican histoty in youtube. Keep up the good work
Thank you for this video I love 🇲🇽
Was Belize ever part of the Mexican Empire? This map among a few others shows it as such, yet from what I know, British Honduras had been established long before then.
Belize was always under Spanish control. However this did not mean that the British and specially British buccaneers didn't try to control the area specially for it's valuable logwood. However these where always very much disputed claims, with New Spain almost always coming up on top. "After the 1763 Treaty of Paris conceded to Britain the right to cut logwood but asserted Spanish sovereignty over the territory." this was suppose to settle the problem but it largely continued in a disputed state until the Mexican independence.
british honduras wasn't recongnized by either Spain or Mexico until Belize declare Independence from UK. When Central America splitted out from Mexico, the issue of British Honduras stopped to be a problem for the mexican government as that territory then was considered part of Guatemala.
Very well done. Truly great.
Excellent video. Perfect to watch after Mexico’s Independence Day was just a few days ago. You did butcher a lot of names though.
The “gu” in Miguel it’s pronounced the same way as in “Guitar”
Guadalupe is pronounced as “Wa-da-loo-pay” and Iturrigaray is pronounced as “Ee-too-ree-gah-ra-ee” not “ha-ra-ee”
Other than that, great video
the "pay" at the end is wrong.. we say wa-da-loo-pe as in pet..
same goes for jo-sé se is pronounced like in "set" not like "say"
Thank you for making this video! I was very interested in this subject matter after learning about the economic aspect of the fall of the Spanish empire.
This video is really good! It really shows that you did a good and complete investigation! great job
Thank you for this video. I'd not been conversant with the early revolutions, but only the 20th century one. Really eye opening! Thanks again!
Wow I'm mexican and this video is awesome my elementary history clases in one video, your pronuntation is really really good, i'm excited with your channel, thats all, thanks
And I...GuadalOOP....
Great video and I have always wondered what Mexico would have been if the Monarchies would have been left to prosper? Not convenient for the USA of course but Mexico's internal problems have always been terrible, up to today! It's fascinating how we had two Emperors in North America. Oh my Mexico, you would have been great and hopefully less violent. I have visited the tombs of both Emperor Agustin de Iturbide and Emperor Maximilian von Hapsburg. Such great legacies that are being rewritten to their formal glory as their stories have been stained by the opposing powers. But the truth always comes out! Hello from Mexico! Great video! Thank you! Could you do one of the Second Mexican Empire?! Cheers! Saludos!
KEK, I was just about to comment about his pronunciation. Still a good vid though.
Great video! But please choose a different map for the background. I couldn't focus on what you were talking about often because of the jarring colors (and their irrelevance), and I kept wondering what yellow and red meant. A simple, single color map would've made it much easier for me to focus.
That being said, great stuff! I'm a new sub
Never heard of topographic maps?
Same, it took me some time after I figured it's height. For the st* commentor: height on the map is totally irrelevant, like OP said. We are listening to one thing and seeing something irrelevant, while what we expect is the different parties control of the map.
Dude, the best video I’ve found of any time in mxn history. Would love more deep dives into different periods of mxn history
This was extremely insightful, thank you so much
i am rolling about your emperor joke! such a great video dude, thank you!
I presume the yt algorythm doesnt like you. I subbed months ago (since your video on the austro hungarian navy) and didnt see you uploaded until i started cleaning my subs and remembered you exist.. And look at that, video uploaded two days ago that never showed up in my feed or daily digest.. Great video though and im glad i subbed.
Thank you :)
I have released a bunch of videos since that one so maybe check those out too. I particularly enjoyed my Christmas special on Good King Wenceslas.
But over all yeah, RUclips's algorithm is known to disfavor historical content in general. The theory is that it can be too contentious for RUclips's liking special when talking about the 20th century but we (we as in History RUclipsrs) don't know for sure.
As a history loving mexican, I can say I loved this video. Also you just got a new sub pal ;)
Sup'... just as an FYI for all of you international viewers... on 6:16, it's supposed to sound "gwa-da-loo-pay" (Gua-da-lu-pe). If you visit Mexico, locals might not get what did you mean if you pronounce it as in the video. Once again, a tip of advice from a Mexican national. Excellent video btw!
If the Spanish monarchs had done like the Portuguese and fled to the colonies México could have been an empire, then?
It's very likely they would have been supported by 2/3 of the political factions (moderate royalists and far-right conservatives), so yes.
I never questioned before
Damn. Never thought about that...
Where were you yesterday when I was looking for videos about Mexican history?
Well I am here today, better late then never :D
Nice video is well done. I only need to mention one bug: The 5 Central American states gained independence from Spain in 1821 before Iturbide became King/Emperor. He refused to recognize this independence and send the Mexican army to Guatemala to re-unify the segments but was stopped at San Salvador/El Salvador. After laying siege to that city for months he resisted and returned to Mexico to deal with a revolt.
To think if California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Colorado, And Utah all stayed part of Mexico
Great video on México’s independence, it’d be interesting to see ya do a video on Peru’s independence, probably South America’s independence struggle most shrouded in mystery, deception, betrayal, and opportunism. Greetings from Peru 🇵🇪
Great video, well done. You gave a new subscriber.
The far left and the far right are the reason why we can't just have nice things.
Both extremes touch. Basically opposite sides of the same coin. Exteeme-anything never leads to anything good with the notable exception of sex.
Hmmmm in this case I fail to see any far left faction. To be fair, this was a conflict between a group of asshole aristocrats vs. another group of asshole aristocrats. Neither of them (save perhaps Morelos or maybe Guerrero) were very left leaned, as they weren't really asking for the kind of shit that, say the French revolutionaries wanted. Come to think of it, there's barely any relevant far left groups in Mexico's history up until right now. Only some literally communist guerillas now and then that were vanquished pretty quickly come to mind. Shit, for the first time in around 100 years, Mexico finally has a left leaning president in charge, and imo he may be more centrist than leftist...
@ Not true
@@broodjeal-cohol5033 I would very much like to be enightened about what is it that is "not true". We can see world history peppered with examples where extreme views and extreme actions never brought anything good to fruit. And it can be said of any sort of views political or otherwise, be it the extreme left Wich brought us memorable atrocities such as the Stalin regime, as to the "tight", of which there are numerous examples besides the obvious common place that shared the coin of totalitarianism. A lesser known examples of extreme right without falling on common places: McCarthyism (all proportions considered, i wouldn't dare say the stalinist atrocities, are even in the same ballpark, yet I think we can agree that neither radical stances left anything that could be considered "Good". Again, with the notable exception of sex, extreme "anything" has never brought about anything good for anyone....
@@kishinasura1504 I believe you're confusing mediocrity and conformism with a reasonable aversion for extreme ideologies. It is a common mistake if you're not aquanted with Thomas Aquinas's "Just temperance" (there is a better English term for it but I can't seem to recall it right now). The point is that radical views throughout history have had the common trait of dividing and creating conflict where solutions not based on zero-sums are perfectly possible. One side will not listen to the other, because no compromise is desirable for extremists. Either one side wins and the other one loses, and we'll be dog darned if we're going to be on the loser side... That sort of stance never leads to anything good. While I agree with Rev.King's views where there is a minimum level where one should not compromise (values, ethics, religious views, and inalienable rights for example) most conflicts lay well outside the line of no compromise. That is not to say that one should stand idly in the center, which is an equaly valid and fiercely defensible position in the face of radicalism of any kind. Besides exremsisms, you know what else never brought anything good to anyone? False dichotomies. There are very diverse alternatives that usually lie between "with us" and "against us"
Viva México
Looking at all the peoples thumbnails has made me realize Mr. Beat is looking fresh af
Is true 100% good joob and thanks you for Explaining History of Mexico
this was soooo helpful and easy to follow! sick to see vids about Mexican history
13:25 Picture of independent of brazil
the Virgin Republican vs the Chad Iturbide
What a great video , thank you 🙏❤️
Iturbide is a hero. What a man! Greetings from Colombia.
David more like a traitor
he was the man , and after him Francisco I. MAdero, unfortunally Madero was killed by Huerta in a plan signed by the American govermment in their embassy, tha plan was to put a puppet president wich caused the Mexican revolution
Great video, I'm from Mexico and honestly in the schools here they gloss over many details and add a pinch of ideology, and you have to study the same period every year in history and it's really boring.
What kind of ideology?
@@creatingkinok the liberal one. The Mexican history books in school always demonize the conservatives while presenting the liberals as the good guys.
An example would be the Austrian emperor. they represent him as a dictator omitting the fact that he had liberal values and even offered Juárez(the head of the liberals that fought off the French invasion of Mexico) the chance to make peace and make him his prime minister, which had that happened Mexico today would be a constitutional monarchy, and possibly never faced a revolution
@@creatingkinok Iturbide bad and traitor, republic good and glorious. All hail the United Sta-- uhhhh the United MEXICAN States.
Wow. Itturbide is a missed opportunity.
Zapata was a missed opportunity, Iturbide rather an opportunist.
@@LuisAldamiz Zapata only care about land reform and had no national project, much like Doroteo Arango (Pancho Villa). So, its not even a comparison by a lot.
@@foedustriplex4014 - I don't think so. In any case land reform is a national project in itself.
@Galleta de Soda - Zapata was NOT a war criminal at all: his behavior and that of his followers was always exquisite. When the revolutionaries entered Mexico City, the Villistas took what they wanted, the Zapatistas asked for it and did not impose their will on anyone. Zapata is better than Jesus.
Ok, let me explain when Madero called to arms the populace his banner was no re-election and uphold the constitution however he turn out given the turmoil his hands were tied to implement any land reform so Zapata rose up his forces against and was mostly strictly operating in Morelos. When Madero was assassinated other caudillos rose up against Huerta and the Civil war began. Caudillos such as Venustiano Carranza had National ran on upholding the constitution and Pancho Villa was part for a time in his army. Carranza comparison to Zapata did have a national project by trying to create a constitution with the help of other caudillos and intellectuals, representatives from Zapata also had a say in this new constitution, and that was his only extent. Zapata like Pancho never wanted to be president, so yeah he was not a missed opportunity since he was never at the same table.
I'm a Mexican and I can say that this is a very good video. Nicely done.
Iturbide, one the many Basques(Vascos) who left their stamp on Mexico.
The story of Mexican independence is so complicated.
so many good details, thanks.
The whole video was awesome but I found most interesting that bit around 3:36 about the Aztec nobility getting assimilated into the Spanish one. I'm guessing it includes or maybe even especially refers to the other than Mexica Nahuatl-speaking groups, particularly the Tlaxcalans, who resisted incorporation into the Aztec Empire and were the chief native allies of Cortes.
Yes you could say they where the main ones or at least the main ones on display. But in fact the incorporation of local nobility in to the Spanish nobility wasn't that uncommon. It happened in the Philippines and in South America as well.
One particularly interesting story of this happening is that some decedents of Moctezuma the Second where given noble status and then later moved to Spain. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Moctezuma_de_Tultengo
@@MLaserHistory Very interesting, thanks!
@@Artur_M. the written accounts of Hernán Cortés meeting with Moctezuma Ilhuicamina, Aztec emperor at the time, describe the deference and respect that Cortez shows to the emperor, in line with Spanish protocol for addressing nobles and Royalty. It's quite a read.
Moctezuma -the story goes- was fascinated by the armor and mount of the Spaniards, and it was a stroke of luck that a comet(probably Halley's) was expected to make it's appearance according to Aztec astrological records, (they were keen observers of the stars) this "portent of the heavens" was associated with the prophecy of the return of Quetzalcoatl,the feathered snake a diety described as a pale skinned and bearded man. You could imagine Moctezuma's state of mind when news of the arrival of the Spaniards in veracruz got to him
Imagine Mexico this size , as a kingdom. Man I would make videos like this.
spain? you showed pictures from the first emperor of brazil....
Great video, very informative. Thank you!
Bro, clutching my school homework thanks my dudeee!
A similar agreement to the one in Mexico worked out in Brazil; in fact, our independence was even more conservative than that as slavery was kept unchanged for a half a century after it. But that was only doable due to the fact that the conservatives took charge of the independence process and we did have a Portuguese nobleman to put in the throne - in fact, the heir of the Portuguese throne himself. As for a Portuguese invasion, that wasn't a major threat after the whole of Brazil was put under the rule of the central government. That and the fact that the Portuguese court had moved to Brazil some fifteen years before, combined with the cohesion of the Brazilian elite against Portugal and the fact that there wasn't such a strong caste system in Brazil, also influenced why the plan of making a negotiated transition did work in Brazil, though. Also, our geography is probably easier to unite than Mexico's.
Nice vídeo, really good. But at 13:24 u used a paint of Emperor Pedro I from Brazil as something about the spanish's liberals.
Glad to see tribute being paid to the first Mexican emperor!
after seeing this video and many others about mexican history its impressive how diverse and funny the mispronunciations of the historical figures are
Yes that was great , and like others here I learned much and had a good time doing that
Nice, great information! Thank you!
13:24 this is D. Pedro I of Brasil?
Welp, sometimes you just mess up and get the wrong picture.
@@MLaserHistory no problem, i guess this is the brasilian independence painting. Anyway, your Chanel is very good congratulations👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I think Peninsulares were in the top of the caste system because they didn't see "Mexico" as something more than a colony, They were loyal to the King and that was the best way to avoid revolutions or rebellions from the central government
Exactamente!
That was really good. I liked the memes too.
That was great. I think you should consider a follow-up video taking Mexican history as far as the 1940s.
Hold that thought (although I wont go as far as that, my expertise ends with with the 19th century).
great piece! thank you
Nice Video! Great History!
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As a Mexican American Mestizo myself. I thank you dear sir for providing an in depth look and my cultural homeland. VIVA!
He didnt marched directly to mexico city because unlike his army he didnt want a bloodshed, he was a father after all, and after the brutal massacre of spaniards in the "alondriga de granaditas" he knew that his troops were going to burn that city to ashes, ironically that decision made that war take even more lives from both sides, and also the last viceroyal didnt just scape, Juan de O'donojú was also a symphatizer of the movement of iturbide, but he wanted mexico to be a colony nonetheless, he didnt want to be under the Bonaparte family or the spanish crown but he also didnt want to be independent either (this was similar to Hidalgos thoughts, he never fought for independence, he fought to recognize the bourbon spanish crown as the only Crown of spain, not the bonaparte one that was currently ruling), However obviously Iturbide and Guerrero disagreed so he angrily left the country (he also was a mason for some reason)
The image that you show at @13:24 is actually of dom Pedro I of Brazil declaring the independence of Brazil from Portugal.
Great video, thanks.
I think the example of the Americans kicking out the British to the North, and the slave uprising in Haiti kicking out the French played a huge role in the mentality of those in the Spanish Empire, and Brazil, which experienced the same disruptions by Napoleon and revolted simultaneously.
Yeah, it definetly influenced the revolutionary thought there.
M. Laser History, I recommend a super interesting video topic involving Latin America, the Spanish, the British and even prerevolution USA all in one...the war of Jenkins ear.
It includes one of the largest amphibious invations in history, the brother of George Washington, and a guy who was missing an eye an arm and a leg.
And it's a piece of epic history that is virtually unknown.
The picture you chose to represent the liberal revolution in Spain/the Spanish liberals ( e.g.: 15:58 ) is actually the proclamation of Idependence of Brazil, by Emperor Pedro I, in 1822....
Yeah and the parliament I show right after that (13:25) was actually the Portuguese parliament after their liberal revolution but in my defense it happened at the same time as the Spanish one and had almost the same name.
Over all I was aware of this but it was too late to change it when I found out.
@@MLaserHistory I noticed that too, hehe.
Project revolutionary here!
In 1816 General Martín Francisco Javier Mina y Larrea traveled to Haiti by request of Simon Bolivar to garner support from this island nation. Haitian President Alexandre Petion graciously offered hundreds of Haitian soldiers, arms, supplies and ships to help Mexico fight Spain in Galveston. The support was granted on condition that Mexican officials free their enslaved population.
An event of this magnitude should not be glossed over or edited from history. Haiti was by far the most significant backer of liberation across the entire South American continent. This is absolutely worthy of mention in all discussions regarding Mexican Independence.
The term colony does not apply to the Spanish Empire.
This is used to create/force an equalizer between Spanish rule and other forms of governments by other European powers of the time. It simply was not. Colony is what was in the 13 Colonies, and French Territories like Haiti. Where a division was imposed and different rules were applied on the population, like how the British criollos aka Americans were not represented in the British Parliament. "No taxation without representation."
As you clearly talk in the video, the Spanish ruled people had the Council of Indies, audiencia, cabildos, etc. A mulato as long as he was free, and they often were, had the same rights of a free white peninsular. Another thing is that there might be bias and barring of opportunities on SOME areas because of family background like being the child of a slave, etc. The barring of positions of power did not occur everywhere, for example the first major of LA was a mulato. In Paname City forensic and genetic evidence showed that about half the people buried in the old prestigious cemetery of the city, aka people who had enough prestige and money to be buried there, were actually people of mixed heritage, like mestizos and mulatos, etc. And examples like this are all over the place in the Spanish empire. The ones to bar POC were often the oligarquies entrenched in the major cities of the viceroyalties that did not doubt to jump the boat like Iturrigaray, Bolivar, etc etc. when the vacuum of power occured with the French invasion and whose families still hold political power in the countries of Spanish America today.
My point is that this did not happen in the named colonies of the British and French, the children of British were not allowed representation in Parliament or the ear of the king, nor were the people of color as they are called in the US represented in government on equal footing as free whites in Haiti during the 1st French Republic. As a side note, mixed marriages were encouraged in the testament of Queen Isabel in 1504. Over 4 centuries passed before mixed marriages were legalized in the former British Colonies known today like the US...
I repeat myself; the Spanish Empire was an Empire. An empire that lasted over 3 centuries and covered 20 million squares km, with different peoples with multiple languages, multiple religions, with equal protection under the laws, and privileges based on this or that, that seemed fair, or that kept the peace. Like the self-governance of the lands of Natives, and their nobles. That system of government was more in accord with Ancient Rome, and US today, that a British or French Colony of the time.
I said my piece. However, I want to point out some good things you said, and I appreciate.
Great job. Kuddos for bringing up the part that Native American elites that capitulated to the empire, kept their territories, privileges and received treatment of nobles same as European nobilities. Too often ignorant people make it seem like in the Spanish Empire POC were treated as POC were treated in the colonies of the other European powers.
Thank you.
I knew like nothing of this. I didn't even know that Philippines were part of New Spain!
(I knew the philippines were a colony of Spain but i didn't know they counted as part of New Spain)
Yeah, I was actually also very surprised about this when I first learned it.
@@MLaserHistory The Philippines and Mexico have a historical connection. There are some Filipinos participated in the Mexican war of independence against Spain. Two of them became General under Jose Maria Morelos.www.friendlyborders.org/news/beyond-pacquiao-and-boxing-revisiting-filipino-mexican-cultural-ties/
Finally a video that talks about Augustine Iturbide.