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Hi! Sorry, I'm not a native english speaker. May you tell me what he says at 1:30? "So what it reads out to you is reliable". What does "read out" mean in this context? Does he really say "read out" or it is just me? Thanks :)
Or dont do dailies at all and play games / part of games that are immediately enjoyable. Dailies are more often than not a long and boring grind, solely designed so you dont give up on a game between worthwhile content. Your time is precious.
Agreed. Thats why wow died, I did mainly Arena and you had to actually work and farm 90% of the time to have proper gear for the rest of the 10% that was the only fun.
Or better, “don’t play the games that are making you do dailies” Because this is a game that is not trying to entertain you, but trying to make you addicted by punishing for not playing.
Depends on what a person wants to get out of its given life^^. If all one wants to get out of life is sitting and playing games, then winning a videogame is winning the game of life. And everyone has the right to do with their own life as they see fit, regardless of someone elses opinion. Although everyone also is entitled to their own individual opinion, they have no right to enforce that opinion on another individual.
No one fucking thinks that. That claim is a fucking strawman argument leveled at men who play video games. Its as bad as the fucking left wings sexsism in video games claims. Stop this shit.
that's not really what you have to interpret, for me what he says its more about the way you waste your time fooling yourself with effort you are not really doing. meaning that sometimes we think of been doing something but we are not,. we are cheating some system to trick yourself that we are good at something
One common reason why people become foes of video games is because they start telling themselves that video games are "just for kids" - for some reason almost everything that can be considered a playful leisure activity is considered "immature". But Jordan Peterson is smart enough to see the value in those activities as well.
To the people that say "videogames are just an escape"... Life is hard. It's no wonder people want an escape. And there's millions of escapes out there. Drugs and alcohol, promiscuous sex, pathology eating, you name it. I feel videogames can teach you things (Not all of them, mind you) the same way that reading will teach you things. It's a matter of balance. Remember all time investment is an investment, and some games can be a really huge time sink. If you plan on creating a career out of videogames, be it through streaming, becoming pro, learning videogame design and creating your own games, then by all means, go deep into it. But if not, I would suggest that you keep them in check, in the same way you would keep drugs and alcohol in check if you don't want them taking over your life. Because they can take over your life if you let them (anything can, really, but videogames can be specially addictive). Now, this doesn't mean that it's bad to play games. It's probably a much better option than mindlessly browsing Facebook or RUclips. The issue is balance.
You are very correct. Know what i learned from video games? How to write correct sentence structures to write stories. All for fun still mind you, im no author but i learned more doing that in games than i ever did in school.
I feel like gaming is a form of escapism. I used to game a lot when I was a teenager, that was when I was very anxious and depressed and felt I could get a sense of power and control from video games. If you're familiar with Nietzsche's concept of "will to power", it makes sense that gamers are wanting to feel a sense of power through a virtual simulation instead of the real game which is real life! It seems like a waste of energy and time to want to level up some in game character, when you could be levelling yourself up in real life by acquiring new skills, overcoming insecurities, working out etc. One of my closest friends spends his time off work gaming, while he develops a bad case of "nerd neck" (forward tilting neck) , complains about hating his job, and doesn't plan on improving his life. The issue is, if you find gaming to be very alluring, maybe it's because it allows you to take your mind off really progressing in your life, while you still get to feel some sense of accomplishment through levelling up or winning a game against others. If your also taking care of the important aspects of your life and growing, then thats great, but if your using gaming to allude you into a false sense of accomplishment, then thats a problem. I write from my own experience, seeing the life of many of my friends who have many insecurities and social anxieties and are also addicts to gaming, it's an interesting correlation.To me, the last thing they should be doing is playing games, they should be reading a good book, and progressing themselves in their REAL lives. Games aren't inherently bad, it's just that a lot of young guys tend to be avoiding responsibilities personal growth and gaming instead!
I get what you are saying, but prety much everything is a form of escapism and if people are happy with the escapist medium they choose, who are we to deny them?
If gaming is a complete replacement of the search for power in real life, then yes, that's a problem. But even the 50 hours a week thing is a minority, even for kids still in high school.
Brocht Vasquez the purpose of what Jordan Peterson teaches is for us to become stronger and eventually be able to not have to escape from reality, so I get what you mean about freedom of choice, sorry if that came across as judgmental, it’s just frustrating to see people not make the best time of their potentially most successful years.
I also get what you are saying and believe me I understand you, as I myself try to excercise, work for school and have social contacts that are 'healthy'. But what I mean is that at the same time also this is a form of escapism; 'becoming my full potential' (whatever that might mean) is just another way of ignoring the meaningless of life. Some do the same thing by gaming, drugs, etc. What I mean is that the one thing isn't objectively better than the other; it's only when your method of escapism makes you misserable that it becomes a problem. So for a gamer who's perfectly happy; I don't think that's any worse than someone who works hard and is happy. I'd say the key comes down to being happy (and not hurting others). Ever heard of Sisyphus? I believe Jordan has some lectures on that as well.
No Man's Sky was a victim of the Mainstream hype machine jumping onto a small indie game which NEVER ONCE told anyone ANYTHING about what it was going to be AT ALL. You created a self fulfilling prophecy.
Aside from the lies what's-his-face told interviewers like there would be multi-player, but it's unlikely you would find another person or that the release patch totally changed the game.
@@SikerScrapyard That's ok. I hear the game got a lot better and many promises were eventually fulfilled, but I don't play the game and lost most interest in it.
Video game addiction and video game enjoying is totally different. Just do everything...study, sleep, workout, do something productive and then the remaining time play video games. Play, but keep it in a limit (like 2-4 hrs a day). Make sure you don't get obsessed with it. Its all about balance :) Personally i play 3 hrs a day.
the problem is that most people don't look beyond games that are made to be competitive and addicting there are games that are works of art that portray meaning and beauty in an exquisite way and many people play games for those kind of games One such game would be 'Journey'. I recommend people to try it out
I never knew that lying, and willfully avoiding tasks warps the neurological structure.. It makes so much sense why I feel so insecure about myself and my own choices and opinions. I've been thinking about taking a break from gaming for a while, but I keep making up excuses, or reasons rather, to why it's so important to me. And I wonder why im plagued with vague anxiety for everything I postpone, problems with sleeping and feelings of inadequacy.. I usually don't watch these short clips from lectures or speeches of JBP, because I find it annoyingly "inspirational". But this one has made an impact on me, so thank you for this upload!
The biggest threat of Video Games in my experience is that, unlike other activities, there is no real natural limiting factor to keep you from doing them forever. Take sports; after a certain amount per day, you get tired! Once you get worn out, it's much easier to go home and do something with value, like read a book. Of course, you don't HAVE to do that, but the point is, there's a natural stopping point. Other activities, even addictive ones like drugs, have economic stopping points like running out of money. Video games don't have that. They don't wear you out, they don't cost money(once you own them, which is too late), you can easily just get into them and never. Stop. Worse than that, many game dev companies intentionally try to make them as addictive as possible, which is horrendously immoral. If video games were designed with natural stopping factors, then they'd be an almost universal good as far as I can tell. They're a fantastic way to explore and learn. But the way they're designed now is just so focused down this horrible rabbit hole of microtransactions and gambling, it's just unacceptable.
This is a good perspective. I think the essence of videogames is good, it's just that greedy corporations who have taken control of 99% of popular game production and they spend a lot of time thinking about how to make more money from the idiots who are willing to pay for microtransactions etc. I say we need to go back to the good ole days - no microtransactions, gambling, and all content included in base game.
Very well written. I've came up to the same conclusion. Games are like junk food, sweets and other man made things that have no limits or maybe even better put; their limits are moved to extremes. So it's super easy to overdo it. It's really hard for me to overdose fruit/vegetables and books ;p but games... easy... and when I get bored I can take a 5min break, eat something, watch and I am ready to go for another 4h lol. I might delete my steam just because of that/ But again. Real life isn't that good either... It's not like you are committing to something amazing instead. Real life is rather sh1te to be honest in comparison/
After losing my mum and Dad two years apart, i had to survive depression with Gaming. Gaming was the only way to detach my mind from the Harsh Reality i was not ready for. It took me years to heal, but i would have easily switched to Drugs as in smoking, drinking etc to numb my pain had it not being Gaming. Gaming is not entirely good nor entirely bad. And there is always an exception to the rule.
Yazid Benomar Yeah he was, but what I meant was that Nietzsche couldn't stand the idea of cushioning our pain with alcohol, religion, etc. I think he would definitely be against video games, because they work like that too. As for art, I don't know if he really saw art in that category. Didn't he see it more as something that could help give people guidance in place of religion?
I think anyone that plays video games as a coping mechanism of some sort should be discouraged from playing them. (At least for the time being) However, there is nothing inherently wrong with video games in any way. As long as you're productive, motivated, mentally and physically healthy, and in full control of your habits, I think video games are an excellent way to simply have a good time and briefly escape from reality.
I love driving, but unfortunately I live in a country where cars are way more expensive than they should be (sometimes up to 3x the price, if not more). Gas is also expensive and ridiculously low quality. A few of the reasons I don't have driving as a hobby. Gaming is also expensive because taxes also make PC components way pricier than they should be. The thing is: he acknowledges going pro for the reason that you have to find yourself a stable incoming you can rely on so that you're not a burden to other people. I fully agree with him on not wasting 50 hours a week playing videogames. I think you should spend at least 36 hours a week on something that you make your income grow exponentially like a trade school or a decent major in college. On the off hours, though, provided you take care of yourself by sleeping properly and take care of your home/room, there's no problem in having a little fun.
A couple of good friends have lost years to video games. I've noticed that once dudes stop watching porn, they start playing video games. Otherwise, I think games with friends can be beneficial. Social isolation leads to addiction.
I like to play video games where you need tactics and strategy to progress and where it's beneficial to know how the game's mechanics work. The control aspect is part of it (people in real life are just too irrational and unpredictable, you can reset if something goes wrong, you can "try again"), but I also enjoy to play with someone else and just mess around for a good time. Please, how is having fun and enjoying strategic playing a waste? It's like reading books. Reading books alone doesn't make you smarter. It depends on what you read and why
@@caesar7786 I dont shit on or play (much) games anymore, I'm fine with them now but back then for me i thought they were the equivalent of satan: "they will rot your brain!" "they're making this generation violent!" they're fun but just In my opinion playing games just doesn't compare to real life (a fighting game is nothing compared to actually fighting someone, if you like fighting games try MMA, so much more fun) but you're right (Story games) are like extremely immersive books; they're great!
@@craigsips8677 you replaced one sedentary activity that's in front of a screen with another sedentary activity that's in front of a screen. Just because other people spend 3-4 hours each day watching television doesn't mean it's healthy for them. A part of Dr. Peterson's message is to not constantly keep your head immersed in your pleasures and to do something about the miseries in your life, even if everyone else around you wants to metaphorically keep their heads stuck in the sand. If you spend 3-4 hours each day playing video games, I don't think your life is in balance at all.
Theres no symbolism in dark souls, only mythology and archetypes, both thinks we know peterson to be into, so id wager hed be all over it if he could spare the time and energy to play it.
Video games can, in a sense and not every game and every time, lift your soul to God and/or at least a higher realm. This can happen through Beauty, like beautiful sceneries on Zelda Breath of the Wild or many Indie games, or Marvel's Spider-Man and many other games worthy of the hashtag #VirtualPhotography. Also, the making of a video game and the video game world itself can be used as a sort of parallel or analogy of Creation - the game, with all its beauty and purpose, is an intentional thing made by a creator (designer, developer, artist, etc.). If a video game has all this, how much more would not our own world have a Creator? But video games can be highly addictive -- or distracting, and it's easy to stay and play "one more level" and next thing you know it's much later than reasonable for you to have a good day the next day, for example.
Thats why i aways prefer playing single player games, in weekends after heaving a good week at work and college, remenber gamers, videogames are an escape of reality, but you still need to be a productive citizen of your nation
If you pay close attention to everything he's said concerning video games, you can clearly tell he's just not wanting to alienate the majority of people he's trying to reach. He's aware of how the "gamers are dead" narrative kicked off the psyop known as "GamerGate".
He'd be a shitty psychologist if he didn't, right? The one time he did it was with the MGTOWers, and he got slammed back pretty hard by Doctor Randomercam. Peterson apologized as a result.
It's a fine line to ride attempting to point out an unhealthy habit or affliction without triggering or traumatizing when that original affliction is actually caused by some form of trauma. You risk them doubling down and then you'll completely lose them. Particularly when their issues are expressed through immaturity. Gaming today is probably becoming much more about environment as so many parents are actually the ones introducing their kids to it and encouraging it, same with the k-5 educational platform. So much content is coming in the form of games on a screen now ever since tech basically took over the institution.
I don't know if I'd describe stealth as a genre of complex problem solving. It involves processing information, but it's not really a complex problem at all.
Personally, a compromise I love is to only to only do unproductive things (like video games) after dinner. So during the day I’ll be productive & after dinner I’ll do whatever I feel like! 😛
Jordan Peterson is really interesting (or maybe he's just a human :) I was in Sutter Hospital once recovering and a male hospital worker came to me to help a little he mentioned how I might be interested in Jordan Person (I assume because he got a lot of value from him) I told him (at that time about 2 years ago) that I considered Jordan Peterson to be the Psychologist with the greatest Renown. The hospital worker almost cried and went away to do whatever. Fast forward 4 months later. I guess I was struggling in my life A sense of me felt like Jordan Peterson looked into my psyche a tad and then went on his way.
After that I felt somewhat heavy tones in me about the idea of not being an adult infant (because the concept is ugly.) Conscious concern about that only lasted about 3 months.
((also, at one point when I was laying in my bed Marshal Mathers snuck a look at my brain. ((((((When I was in a hospital once I was listening to a (at the time) disturbing song by Enimem about how he felt the real version of his friend was locked in a basement somewhere. I thought a little and then did a alarm emotion that bring attention to that concern.
Anyway, my telemeres are crying (I imagine telemeres are devices having to do with stopping and starting thought) so I'm going to try to deal with them.
Oh, and on a subtle spiritual level I believe that Jordan Peterson and Elon Musk went to space (at least in spirit) about a year ago - so they had a lot of interaction with those concepts. (maybe I shouldn't have said this because my left hand feels a tad tad tad alergic injured feeling. But even if it's the slightest of truth I thought I'd mention it.
הכל עניין של פרספקטיבה בחיים האלה ,איך שהוא מסתכל על החיים בוחנת את משמעות החיים שלו, ומשמעות החיים שלו משתנה על פי ההסתכלות שלו על החיים. וזאת לדעתי כי משמעות החיים זה מה שדוחף אותך אך כאשר ההסתכלות שלך על החיים משתנה, אתה משתנה, ואז משמעות החיים יש מצב תשתנה
George Kaftan That's something I think we overlook sometimes in parenting. Obsession and infatuation should always be checked whether it's games, books, movies, tv, Internet etc. I remember my daughter was obsessed with a series of books and I made her take a break and everyone thought I was a raging Nazi for grounding her from reading. About a year later she went back to it but then hopped around different subjects. Same with my son and his comics. I think it's better to spend the majority of our free time interacting with the physical world around us. We're just hyper aware with the video games today. I grew up with an Atari and then a sega but just never had an interest. I took the no video or computer game route with my kids and they ended up playing occasionally at friends but never took an interest as adults. I just don't get how we got to a place where it's emotionally healthy for adults to dress up and play pretend, watch cartoons, buy and play with kids toys, or escape all the time and become so apathetic when it comes to the real world. I mean there's billions to be made off of people like this, but it's still unhealthy.
I think a game like The Last of Us better fits that description. I also think it's far preferable for people with addictive-personalities to play, as it grants far less freedom and escapism, and it is far less addictive than RPG games like Skyrim.
He speaks the truth tho, videogames are not a way to escape reality. However there are people who use them to escape reality, such as some relationships and even their own jobs "But overworking your life to death is good!" Or at least society's general opinion is, don't get obssesed over something and use it as an excuse to not facing reality
The problem is that by winning in video games you get the feeling that you progress and achieve something while in real life in 99,9% of times it doesn't matter unless you break records, create content or go pro and win tournaments. .And because it's much easier than achieving something in real life that can take months and years before you see results many people especially the younger ones are drawn to video games because they didn't achieve anything great in their lives yet.
What does Jordon Peterson think about Machinima? Is creating a movie/sketch/creative piece in a Videogame engine and showing it to people on the Internet the same thing as playing a videogame for hours and hours, or is it something different?
@@johncunningham1889 I wouldn't say gaming is nothing but consumption. A certain degree of focus, skill and problem-solving is required that you don't have to really worry about with something like watching TV. But I know what you mean.
From what I understand, you should check what meaning videogames have for you to evaluate how much time you should spend on them. But to measure meaning, you have to listen to yourself. And the more you lie in your life, the more your brain get twisted. So the less you can rely on it to evaluate meaning. So put simply: don't lie, or your brain won't be able to tell you how many hours you should play videogames. At least, that's my understanding of those 2 minutes
All i heard was bla bla bla. in a short variant of everything he said : " you waste your time with games" like he s not wasting his time, he always does something productive. Fucks this shit man, i got only a life. If after i got out of work i came back and i wanna play i will do it because is making me feeling good and is not an drug and is not damaging anything, is just a way to waste time. If i wanna stay with my gf and play something i will do it. We waste time in many ways, we are busy, we got tired of shit we deal with day by day , we are stressed... the gaming is.. not just a world, is a lot of worlds where you can be who you want, you can do what you want. If i want i can drive without wasting real money on gas, if i want i can live in idk Far cry 5 and shoot lunatics, if i want i can fly a plane, i can construct a space ship I CAN EXPLORE THE UNIVERS I CAN DO WHAT I WANT AND WILL BE INTERESTING! Our life's are boring and if not are expensive to don't be that way... we live only one life,i guess,nobody can tell me why we and the univers and everything exists... Nobody! Or what really happens after we die, because nobody knows for sure. all i know is i got only one life, i don t know if i will see my gf after i die and this feeling is killing me. And i don t know if i will be able to do everything again... be with her or playing something or watching a movie. All i know is i live and i die at some point and if i wanna play i will do it. and games,yes are making kids angry and things,but i play till i was a little kid and now I'm extremely calm and from a killing someone in real life and killing someone in a virtual life is a big big way... Games are making us smarter, fasters, we can understand easily, in a room full with people a gamer can recognize a familiar voice and know exactly who is and from where is the sound. Just... shut the fuck up and don't blame games for giving us a better life.
I take it as playing video games is not a bad thing and may even benefit brain development and socialization. But don't play them too much because there are a lot of other things you need to attend to in life.
Don't lie to yourself. If you know in the back of your mind that you should be doing something else right now (and not because society says you should, but your own conscience does) instead of playing video games, then don't lie to yourself. That's not to say that there can't be a time and a place for video games, for those of us that love them, it's just a matter of taking responsibility and prioritising what is most important in your life.
I just can't seem to get A grades in my exams no matter how much time and effort I put into it. I play csgo for the sole purpose that I can sense achievement in the game. However, I know that this will hurt me in a long run. Idk what to do. I have partly given up in studying when all I get is a C or if lucky, B
I seem to have a very weird random luck with my engineering physics exams. If I feel confident that I might pass them then I fail big-time, but if I feel that I almost certainly failed then I get an A- or something, lol.
Just do your best man. But don't think you need to be an A- student in order to be successful and happy in life. There are plenty of successful people that dropped out of school. Not saying that's what you should do, and I'm not saying that it doesn't help to get top marks in school/uni. But the school system doesn't always reflect a person's true intelligence, ability, skills and creativity.
Ever tried to look-up a studying method ? Many students can't organize their studying and end up doing really bad. It could also be a matter of temperament, in any case searching for a clinical psychologist to sort it out seems to be a good call for you Godspeed
Personally I wouldn't bother much if some of the people I watch and admire disagree on something I like. So I find the title of the video kinda funny. Not everything has to align.
Hi sweet heart how are you how was a day how about me having with you? so many people you have who you have company and busy talking with people around you i am tired of all that now I am slow to watch some work is going on at home septic tank cleaning busy to see them now night duty and i like to hear you others i do timepass not interested some conteminated food mind gets kick so slow down things
This man is not being honest about video games, it's a huge industry and the same government that he works for as a professor gains huge profits from that industry. He will not criticize it, his hands are tied and he will not risk being alienated from the youth he is supposed to be in contact with, especially if they are potential future clients. I have a lot of respect for him and his work but on this matter, I didn't believe he truly stood behind all that he said, especially the "going pro" part, which is a huge bait for addicts
This seemed weird and incoherent compared to his other works. Is there other videos where he talks about video games because this was really out of character for him.
What was the question? It sounds like he saying "Yes, video games can be time wasters" but then he jumps to some other topic at 1:10 that I don't understand the tangential relationship. Am I right in thinking the video is just a bad cutaway from a larger discussion he was having?
Seems like he was talking about how immersive video games can give you a superficial sense of meaning that while stimulating is ultimately unfulfilling
I don't know, gamers seem to have a lot in common with adults who watch anime and other cartoons. They're almost apathetic in the real world but super pumped to just escape into a pretend world. I mean they're literally adults dressing up and playing pretend... And see it as perfectly healthy. They also buy a lot of toys... As adults. I don't know if they were traumatized somewhere, just emotionally unintelligent or maybe they're just raised that way because their parents are the same? And there's this stereotype that in order to be a 'nerd' you must be intelligent... Maybe these aren't nerds and are just socially awkward dorks because I have yet to actually come across an intelligent adult that games a lot or watches cartoons on the regular. They're definitely lacking self awareness too. And all of the young kids my kids know that are heavy into gaming and anime and cosplay are either massive perverts, some form of LGBTQ and/or are suicidal. I actually feel really bad for these people. I'm sure reality seems like a major pain in the ass for them.
What an incoherent Rambler, I'm so glad I torrented his audio book to form my opinion of this pseudo intellectual and didn't contribute to the financing The Cult of Peterson.
@@stephenhughes5156 smarter than he is now. Face it, you're Messiah Daddy is a pill head Who wasn't Man enough to admit he had an addiction. He's never coming back.
@@glassjawboxer Well he did admit it, didn't he? Isn't that how we all found out? Theres no need to take pride in his misfortune just because his words don't resonate with you. But don't worry, he will be back. And I for one won't think any less of him because of it. You enjoy your sense of moral superiority though, I'm sure you deserve for being such a smart guy that is contributing to the world in such a meaningful way.
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Hi! Sorry, I'm not a native english speaker. May you tell me what he says at 1:30? "So what it reads out to you is reliable". What does "read out" mean in this context? Does he really say "read out" or it is just me? Thanks :)
He even acknowledges going pro
It repeatedly impresses me how able he is to engage with modern occurrences in an open but discerning way.
of course.. competition is oppressive tool of toxic masculinity because creates inequality... right ;)
I know, I was being sarcastic bro haha
alfredo_5auce pretty impressive awareness of that sort of thing for a man his age. Dr Peterson never fails to impress
Yeah, few middle-aged and older people even known you can earn a million a year playing games, with competition far stronger and in chess.
"maybe not 50 hours a week, unless you're going pro." dayum. in this context "cleaning your room" would be, "do your dailies and log out kid."
The absolute abhorrent state of World of Warcraft, blizzard needs to slay their dragon and start making WoW for hardcore bucko's again!
I forgot that the term "dailies" came from wow. lol.
Or dont do dailies at all and play games / part of games that are immediately enjoyable. Dailies are more often than not a long and boring grind, solely designed so you dont give up on a game between worthwhile content. Your time is precious.
Agreed. Thats why wow died, I did mainly Arena and you had to actually work and farm 90% of the time to have proper gear for the rest of the 10% that was the only fun.
Or better, “don’t play the games that are making you do dailies”
Because this is a game that is not trying to entertain you, but trying to make you addicted by punishing for not playing.
So basically: "Don't adopt the deception that, when you are winning a game, you are winning the game of life".
Nice 👍
Depends on what a person wants to get out of its given life^^. If all one wants to get out of life is sitting and playing games, then winning a videogame is winning the game of life. And everyone has the right to do with their own life as they see fit, regardless of someone elses opinion. Although everyone also is entitled to their own individual opinion, they have no right to enforce that opinion on another individual.
No one fucking thinks that. That claim is a fucking strawman argument leveled at men who play video games. Its as bad as the fucking left wings sexsism in video games claims. Stop this shit.
that's not really what you have to interpret, for me what he says its more about the way you waste your time fooling yourself with effort you are not really doing. meaning that sometimes we think of been doing something but we are not,. we are cheating some system to trick yourself that we are good at something
@Simon Pasi nah Jordan made perfect sense you just didn't understand the big words lol
I'm not even a psychology major and I'd consider enrolling in Peterson's classes just to listen to him speak.
Go for it!
What did you make of it?
@@tt-tk9076 Dr. Peterson left of his own accord. He hadn't taught at UoT for several years.
One common reason why people become foes of video games is because they start telling themselves that video games are "just for kids" - for some reason almost everything that can be considered a playful leisure activity is considered "immature".
But Jordan Peterson is smart enough to see the value in those activities as well.
I used to feel ashamed that I play video games, but I guess I feel fine now.
Not that I’m addicted.
@@ScytheJackal ?? Why would you be ashamed?
@@caesar7786 I dunno. I listen to people online a lot and I feel like I need to be right all the time
You mean one reason why a very few of people become like that?
@@caesar7786 yeah….I’m a teenager. Teens tend to be self conscious
"you dont know how to speak the truth, but you do know how NOT to lie" is the most human thing ive ever heard anyone say ever
Thumbnail game so strong.
Doom and Peterson, a glorious combination.
@@hazardousjazzgasm129 not as glorious as YOUR MOM
To the people that say "videogames are just an escape"... Life is hard. It's no wonder people want an escape. And there's millions of escapes out there. Drugs and alcohol, promiscuous sex, pathology eating, you name it. I feel videogames can teach you things (Not all of them, mind you) the same way that reading will teach you things. It's a matter of balance. Remember all time investment is an investment, and some games can be a really huge time sink. If you plan on creating a career out of videogames, be it through streaming, becoming pro, learning videogame design and creating your own games, then by all means, go deep into it. But if not, I would suggest that you keep them in check, in the same way you would keep drugs and alcohol in check if you don't want them taking over your life. Because they can take over your life if you let them (anything can, really, but videogames can be specially addictive). Now, this doesn't mean that it's bad to play games. It's probably a much better option than mindlessly browsing Facebook or RUclips. The issue is balance.
You are very correct. Know what i learned from video games? How to write correct sentence structures to write stories. All for fun still mind you, im no author but i learned more doing that in games than i ever did in school.
I feel like gaming is a form of escapism. I used to game a lot when I was a teenager, that was when I was very anxious and depressed and felt I could get a sense of power and control from video games. If you're familiar with Nietzsche's concept of "will to power", it makes sense that gamers are wanting to feel a sense of power through a virtual simulation instead of the real game which is real life! It seems like a waste of energy and time to want to level up some in game character, when you could be levelling yourself up in real life by acquiring new skills, overcoming insecurities, working out etc. One of my closest friends spends his time off work gaming, while he develops a bad case of "nerd neck" (forward tilting neck) , complains about hating his job, and doesn't plan on improving his life. The issue is, if you find gaming to be very alluring, maybe it's because it allows you to take your mind off really progressing in your life, while you still get to feel some sense of accomplishment through levelling up or winning a game against others. If your also taking care of the important aspects of your life and growing, then thats great, but if your using gaming to allude you into a false sense of accomplishment, then thats a problem. I write from my own experience, seeing the life of many of my friends who have many insecurities and social anxieties and are also addicts to gaming, it's an interesting correlation.To me, the last thing they should be doing is playing games, they should be reading a good book, and progressing themselves in their REAL lives. Games aren't inherently bad, it's just that a lot of young guys tend to be avoiding responsibilities personal growth and gaming instead!
You nailed it. I wish I had read this a few years ago but of course, I wouldn't have listened anyway.
I get what you are saying, but prety much everything is a form of escapism and if people are happy with the escapist medium they choose, who are we to deny them?
If gaming is a complete replacement of the search for power in real life, then yes, that's a problem. But even the 50 hours a week thing is a minority, even for kids still in high school.
Brocht Vasquez the purpose of what Jordan Peterson teaches is for us to become stronger and eventually be able to not have to escape from reality, so I get what you mean about freedom of choice, sorry if that came across as judgmental, it’s just frustrating to see people not make the best time of their potentially most successful years.
I also get what you are saying and believe me I understand you, as I myself try to excercise, work for school and have social contacts that are 'healthy'. But what I mean is that at the same time also this is a form of escapism; 'becoming my full potential' (whatever that might mean) is just another way of ignoring the meaningless of life. Some do the same thing by gaming, drugs, etc. What I mean is that the one thing isn't objectively better than the other; it's only when your method of escapism makes you misserable that it becomes a problem. So for a gamer who's perfectly happy; I don't think that's any worse than someone who works hard and is happy. I'd say the key comes down to being happy (and not hurting others). Ever heard of Sisyphus? I believe Jordan has some lectures on that as well.
So... the take-away is: don't play No Man's Sky, it is all lies. Don't lie to yourself.
Play Portal but no cake.
Manuel A. Crespo Rodríguez tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies.
No Man's Sky was a victim of the Mainstream hype machine jumping onto a small indie game which NEVER ONCE told anyone ANYTHING about what it was going to be AT ALL.
You created a self fulfilling prophecy.
Aside from the lies what's-his-face told interviewers like there would be multi-player, but it's unlikely you would find another person or that the release patch totally changed the game.
@@SikerScrapyard That's ok. I hear the game got a lot better and many promises were eventually fulfilled, but I don't play the game and lost most interest in it.
1:15 "How do you stop yourself from falling prey to a pathologized sense of meaning? ...Don't lie."
Video game addiction and video game enjoying is totally different.
Just do everything...study, sleep, workout, do something productive and then the remaining time play video games. Play, but keep it in a limit (like 2-4 hrs a day). Make sure you don't get obsessed with it. Its all about balance :)
Personally i play 3 hrs a day.
I'm a simple man: I see a video with Jordan Peterson and Doomguy in the thumbnail, I click
the problem is that most people don't look beyond games that are made to be competitive and addicting
there are games that are works of art
that portray meaning and beauty in an exquisite way
and many people play games for those kind of games
One such game would be 'Journey'.
I recommend people to try it out
I never knew that lying, and willfully avoiding tasks warps the neurological structure.. It makes so much sense why I feel so insecure about myself and my own choices and opinions.
I've been thinking about taking a break from gaming for a while, but I keep making up excuses, or reasons rather, to why it's so important to me. And I wonder why im plagued with vague anxiety for everything I postpone, problems with sleeping and feelings of inadequacy..
I usually don't watch these short clips from lectures or speeches of JBP, because I find it annoyingly "inspirational". But this one has made an impact on me, so thank you for this upload!
The biggest threat of Video Games in my experience is that, unlike other activities, there is no real natural limiting factor to keep you from doing them forever. Take sports; after a certain amount per day, you get tired! Once you get worn out, it's much easier to go home and do something with value, like read a book. Of course, you don't HAVE to do that, but the point is, there's a natural stopping point. Other activities, even addictive ones like drugs, have economic stopping points like running out of money.
Video games don't have that. They don't wear you out, they don't cost money(once you own them, which is too late), you can easily just get into them and never. Stop. Worse than that, many game dev companies intentionally try to make them as addictive as possible, which is horrendously immoral.
If video games were designed with natural stopping factors, then they'd be an almost universal good as far as I can tell. They're a fantastic way to explore and learn. But the way they're designed now is just so focused down this horrible rabbit hole of microtransactions and gambling, it's just unacceptable.
This is a good perspective. I think the essence of videogames is good, it's just that greedy corporations who have taken control of 99% of popular game production and they spend a lot of time thinking about how to make more money from the idiots who are willing to pay for microtransactions etc.
I say we need to go back to the good ole days - no microtransactions, gambling, and all content included in base game.
Very well written. I've came up to the same conclusion. Games are like junk food, sweets and other man made things that have no limits or maybe even better put; their limits are moved to extremes. So it's super easy to overdo it.
It's really hard for me to overdose fruit/vegetables and books ;p but games... easy... and when I get bored I can take a 5min break, eat something, watch and I am ready to go for another 4h lol. I might delete my steam just because of that/ But again. Real life isn't that good either... It's not like you are committing to something amazing instead. Real life is rather sh1te to be honest in comparison/
how do i balance school, social life and hobbies and how many hobbies can you have or sustain?
After losing my mum and Dad two years apart, i had to survive depression with Gaming. Gaming was the only way to detach my mind from the Harsh Reality i was not ready for. It took me years to heal, but i would have easily switched to Drugs as in smoking, drinking etc to numb my pain had it not being Gaming. Gaming is not entirely good nor entirely bad. And there is always an exception to the rule.
I think if Nietzsche were alive he would be against video games
Nietzsche was against everything that made people forget their problems and be happy lol
I feel he would become a game nerd.
Mike Liberty nah he was pretty pro art ....
Yazid Benomar Yeah he was, but what I meant was that Nietzsche couldn't stand the idea of cushioning our pain with alcohol, religion, etc. I think he would definitely be against video games, because they work like that too. As for art, I don't know if he really saw art in that category. Didn't he see it more as something that could help give people guidance in place of religion?
I think anyone that plays video games as a coping mechanism of some sort should be discouraged from playing them. (At least for the time being) However, there is nothing inherently wrong with video games in any way. As long as you're productive, motivated, mentally and physically healthy, and in full control of your habits, I think video games are an excellent way to simply have a good time and briefly escape from reality.
I listen Jordan Peterson's videos playing videogames...
I love driving, but unfortunately I live in a country where cars are way more expensive than they should be (sometimes up to 3x the price, if not more). Gas is also expensive and ridiculously low quality. A few of the reasons I don't have driving as a hobby. Gaming is also expensive because taxes also make PC components way pricier than they should be. The thing is: he acknowledges going pro for the reason that you have to find yourself a stable incoming you can rely on so that you're not a burden to other people. I fully agree with him on not wasting 50 hours a week playing videogames. I think you should spend at least 36 hours a week on something that you make your income grow exponentially like a trade school or a decent major in college. On the off hours, though, provided you take care of yourself by sleeping properly and take care of your home/room, there's no problem in having a little fun.
A couple of good friends have lost years to video games. I've noticed that once dudes stop watching porn, they start playing video games. Otherwise, I think games with friends can be beneficial. Social isolation leads to addiction.
Most videogames are a version of porn, even if non-sexual.
@@noop9k even tetris?
@@bugger6susix11 you mean the game where you regularly put long stick into a hole?
@@noop9k 🤣🤣🤣 good one 👍👍
Games aren't "social isolation"
I like to play video games where you need tactics and strategy to progress and where it's beneficial to know how the game's mechanics work. The control aspect is part of it (people in real life are just too irrational and unpredictable, you can reset if something goes wrong, you can "try again"), but I also enjoy to play with someone else and just mess around for a good time. Please, how is having fun and enjoying strategic playing a waste? It's like reading books. Reading books alone doesn't make you smarter. It depends on what you read and why
I unwind by playing games 3 to 4 hrs every evening and love every minute of play. My life is in balance.
@@គង់គាឆាត់ 3-4 hours is just the time in the evening that people take to watch tv. I just don't watch much tv, that's all.
@@គង់គាឆាត់ uh, yeah? Why? Also, games can be similar to books, and people exercise at different times
@@caesar7786 I dont shit on or play (much) games anymore, I'm fine with them now but back then for me i thought they were the equivalent of satan:
"they will rot your brain!"
"they're making this generation violent!"
they're fun but just In my opinion playing games just doesn't compare to real life (a fighting game is nothing compared to actually fighting someone, if you like fighting games try MMA, so much more fun)
but you're right (Story games) are like extremely immersive books; they're great!
@@caesar7786 what i meant by that first comment is exercise is more fun than games cause you could physically feel it and get that endorphin rush
@@craigsips8677 you replaced one sedentary activity that's in front of a screen with another sedentary activity that's in front of a screen. Just because other people spend 3-4 hours each day watching television doesn't mean it's healthy for them. A part of Dr. Peterson's message is to not constantly keep your head immersed in your pleasures and to do something about the miseries in your life, even if everyone else around you wants to metaphorically keep their heads stuck in the sand. If you spend 3-4 hours each day playing video games, I don't think your life is in balance at all.
I wonder what Dr. Peterson would think of Dark Souls...I suspect he could find a lot of meaning in the imagery and symbolism.
Theres no symbolism in dark souls, only mythology and archetypes, both thinks we know peterson to be into, so id wager hed be all over it if he could spare the time and energy to play it.
I wonder what Peterson would think of a game like BioShock.
It is a bad shooter whose story is *apparently* very good. Wish I could experience it before becoming really bored by the gameplay and the minigames.
Video games can, in a sense and not every game and every time, lift your soul to God and/or at least a higher realm. This can happen through Beauty, like beautiful sceneries on Zelda Breath of the Wild or many Indie games, or Marvel's Spider-Man and many other games worthy of the hashtag #VirtualPhotography. Also, the making of a video game and the video game world itself can be used as a sort of parallel or analogy of Creation - the game, with all its beauty and purpose, is an intentional thing made by a creator (designer, developer, artist, etc.). If a video game has all this, how much more would not our own world have a Creator?
But video games can be highly addictive -- or distracting, and it's easy to stay and play "one more level" and next thing you know it's much later than reasonable for you to have a good day the next day, for example.
Thanks.
50 hours? Amateurs.
I used to play TF2 100 hours a week.
@@Emilioleoooon That's too fucking less
Real gamer play 168 hours per week monkaS
We couldn't get Ebert to agree that video games were an art form, but maybe there's hope for Peterson...
I'm interested in what he would think about the persona games
For real
Thats why i aways prefer playing single player games, in weekends after heaving a good week at work and college, remenber gamers, videogames are an escape of reality, but you still need to be a productive citizen of your nation
Doesn't need to be productive, but no, games aren't an "escape", depends on how you use them
@@caesar7786 they could possibly be used as an escape for some people
@@ScytheJackal like i said before, it depends on the people..but i don't think that's the purpose of games themselves
@@caesar7786 true
I think I polluted my mechanism too much.
Imagine Jordan doing a minecraft lets play
If you pay close attention to everything he's said concerning video games, you can clearly tell he's just not wanting to alienate the majority of people he's trying to reach. He's aware of how the "gamers are dead" narrative kicked off the psyop known as "GamerGate".
He'd be a shitty psychologist if he didn't, right? The one time he did it was with the MGTOWers, and he got slammed back pretty hard by Doctor Randomercam. Peterson apologized as a result.
It's a fine line to ride attempting to point out an unhealthy habit or affliction without triggering or traumatizing when that original affliction is actually caused by some form of trauma. You risk them doubling down and then you'll completely lose them. Particularly when their issues are expressed through immaturity. Gaming today is probably becoming much more about environment as so many parents are actually the ones introducing their kids to it and encouraging it, same with the k-5 educational platform. So much content is coming in the form of games on a screen now ever since tech basically took over the institution.
Complex problem solving? Is that why I like stealth games so much?
Thief 2 and Chaos Theory for days.
Also Hitman Blood Money. Pure awesomeness.
I don't know if I'd describe stealth as a genre of complex problem solving. It involves processing information, but it's not really a complex problem at all.
Arnold the Cimmerian I platinumed that game on PS3.
I wouldn't describe any stealth game I've ever played as complex, mostly because of the always ridicously stupid AI.
Personally, a compromise I love is to only to only do unproductive things (like video games) after dinner. So during the day I’ll be productive & after dinner I’ll do whatever I feel like! 😛
If he was against video games he'd get a hell of a lot more hate. Unfortunately gamers can still be very childish.
Of course they are, games in general exist to teach the young
sQasieneCZ Nice troll hahaha, I'm with the popcorn ready to see if anyone takes the bait.
sQasieneCZ or babysit them
yeah my four year old brother is learning so fucking much by playing doom
TheOriginal GGHarasser Why would you never want it to change?
These are like Feynman Chasers of philosophy / psychology.
Jordan Peterson is really interesting (or maybe he's just a human :)
I was in Sutter Hospital once recovering
and a male hospital worker came to me to help a little
he mentioned how I might be interested in Jordan Person (I assume because he got a lot of value from him)
I told him (at that time about 2 years ago) that I considered Jordan Peterson to be the Psychologist with the greatest Renown.
The hospital worker almost cried and went away to do whatever.
Fast forward 4 months later.
I guess I was struggling in my life
A sense of me felt like Jordan Peterson looked into my psyche a tad and then went on his way.
After that I felt somewhat heavy tones in me about the idea of not being an adult infant (because the concept is ugly.)
Conscious concern about that only lasted about 3 months.
((also, at one point when I was laying in my bed Marshal Mathers snuck a look at my brain. ((((((When I was in a hospital once I was listening to a (at the time) disturbing song by Enimem about how he felt the real version of his friend was locked in a basement somewhere. I thought a little and then did a alarm emotion that bring attention to that concern.
^(I'll leave it on a good note).
Anyway, my telemeres are crying (I imagine telemeres are devices having to do with stopping and starting thought) so I'm going to try to deal with them.
Oh, and on a subtle spiritual level I believe that Jordan Peterson and Elon Musk went to space (at least in spirit) about a year ago - so they had a lot of interaction with those concepts. (maybe I shouldn't have said this because my left hand feels a tad tad tad alergic injured feeling. But even if it's the slightest of truth I thought I'd mention it.
הכל עניין של פרספקטיבה בחיים האלה ,איך שהוא מסתכל על החיים בוחנת את משמעות החיים שלו, ומשמעות החיים שלו משתנה על פי ההסתכלות שלו על החיים.
וזאת לדעתי כי משמעות החיים זה מה שדוחף אותך אך כאשר ההסתכלות שלך על החיים משתנה, אתה משתנה, ואז משמעות החיים יש מצב תשתנה
What about story-driven singleplayer games?
SkyRim?
George Kaftan That's something I think we overlook sometimes in parenting. Obsession and infatuation should always be checked whether it's games, books, movies, tv, Internet etc. I remember my daughter was obsessed with a series of books and I made her take a break and everyone thought I was a raging Nazi for grounding her from reading. About a year later she went back to it but then hopped around different subjects. Same with my son and his comics. I think it's better to spend the majority of our free time interacting with the physical world around us. We're just hyper aware with the video games today. I grew up with an Atari and then a sega but just never had an interest. I took the no video or computer game route with my kids and they ended up playing occasionally at friends but never took an interest as adults. I just don't get how we got to a place where it's emotionally healthy for adults to dress up and play pretend, watch cartoons, buy and play with kids toys, or escape all the time and become so apathetic when it comes to the real world. I mean there's billions to be made off of people like this, but it's still unhealthy.
@@jcarter3238 You're right. I never thought of it this way before.
I think a game like The Last of Us better fits that description. I also think it's far preferable for people with addictive-personalities to play, as it grants far less freedom and escapism, and it is far less addictive than RPG games like Skyrim.
@@matthewnodar7298 ? There are singleplayer RPG games btw
He speaks the truth tho, videogames are not a way to escape reality. However there are people who use them to escape reality, such as some relationships and even their own jobs
"But overworking your life to death is good!" Or at least society's general opinion is, don't get obssesed over something and use it as an excuse to not facing reality
The problem is that by winning in video games you get the feeling that you progress and achieve something while in real life in 99,9% of times it doesn't matter unless you break records, create content or go pro and win tournaments.
.And because it's much easier than achieving something in real life that can take months and years before you see results many people especially the younger ones are drawn to video games because they didn't achieve anything great in their lives yet.
What does Jordon Peterson think about Machinima?
Is creating a movie/sketch/creative piece in a Videogame engine and showing it to people on the Internet the same thing as playing a videogame for hours and hours, or is it something different?
well.... I'd say watching TV is nothing but consumption. Gaming has also creative elements to it...
@@johncunningham1889 I wouldn't say gaming is nothing but consumption. A certain degree of focus, skill and problem-solving is required that you don't have to really worry about with something like watching TV. But I know what you mean.
@@stephenhughes5156 and what he means is wrong.
@@johncunningham1889 it's more than just that. Looks like you know nothing about games.
@@johncunningham1889 😂😂🤦😂🤦😂🤦🤦😂
If you play games 50 hours a week, they're not addicting. You're just bad at pausing them.
So wait, why does he tie lying and videogames? Could someone explain?
From what I understand, you should check what meaning videogames have for you to evaluate how much time you should spend on them.
But to measure meaning, you have to listen to yourself. And the more you lie in your life, the more your brain get twisted. So the less you can rely on it to evaluate meaning.
So put simply: don't lie, or your brain won't be able to tell you how many hours you should play videogames.
At least, that's my understanding of those 2 minutes
All i heard was bla bla bla. in a short variant of everything he said : " you waste your time with games" like he s not wasting his time, he always does something productive. Fucks this shit man, i got only a life. If after i got out of work i came back and i wanna play i will do it because is making me feeling good and is not an drug and is not damaging anything, is just a way to waste time. If i wanna stay with my gf and play something i will do it. We waste time in many ways, we are busy, we got tired of shit we deal with day by day , we are stressed... the gaming is.. not just a world, is a lot of worlds where you can be who you want, you can do what you want. If i want i can drive without wasting real money on gas, if i want i can live in idk Far cry 5 and shoot lunatics, if i want i can fly a plane, i can construct a space ship I CAN EXPLORE THE UNIVERS I CAN DO WHAT I WANT AND WILL BE INTERESTING! Our life's are boring and if not are expensive to don't be that way... we live only one life,i guess,nobody can tell me why we and the univers and everything exists... Nobody! Or what really happens after we die, because nobody knows for sure. all i know is i got only one life, i don t know if i will see my gf after i die and this feeling is killing me. And i don t know if i will be able to do everything again... be with her or playing something or watching a movie. All i know is i live and i die at some point and if i wanna play i will do it. and games,yes are making kids angry and things,but i play till i was a little kid and now I'm extremely calm and from a killing someone in real life and killing someone in a virtual life is a big big way... Games are making us smarter, fasters, we can understand easily, in a room full with people a gamer can recognize a familiar voice and know exactly who is and from where is the sound. Just... shut the fuck up and don't blame games for giving us a better life.
Its 2 hours a day for me so im in the clear right, RIGHT..?
Did anyone even listen to what he said about lying? "muh videogames"
You can spend 1 hour and still be pro gamer.One guy in my country one cs go he won tournament 1st place he said he spend 1 hour a day.
Fallout 1&2 taught me english.
Totally
god i wish i was his student
Can someone iterate this in a different manner please? I want to grasp what he's saying but i just feel so dense to the subject.
I take it as playing video games is not a bad thing and may even benefit brain development and socialization. But don't play them too much because there are a lot of other things you need to attend to in life.
Don't lie to yourself. If you know in the back of your mind that you should be doing something else right now (and not because society says you should, but your own conscience does) instead of playing video games, then don't lie to yourself. That's not to say that there can't be a time and a place for video games, for those of us that love them, it's just a matter of taking responsibility and prioritising what is most important in your life.
@@bonehelm exactly! That should be the point. ❤️ Jordan Peterson
I just can't seem to get A grades in my exams no matter how much time and effort I put into it. I play csgo for the sole purpose that I can sense achievement in the game. However, I know that this will hurt me in a long run. Idk what to do. I have partly given up in studying when all I get is a C or if lucky, B
I seem to have a very weird random luck with my engineering physics exams.
If I feel confident that I might pass them then I fail big-time, but if I feel that I almost certainly failed then I get an A- or something, lol.
Just do your best man. But don't think you need to be an A- student in order to be successful and happy in life. There are plenty of successful people that dropped out of school. Not saying that's what you should do, and I'm not saying that it doesn't help to get top marks in school/uni. But the school system doesn't always reflect a person's true intelligence, ability, skills and creativity.
Ever tried to look-up a studying method ? Many students can't organize their studying and end up doing really bad. It could also be a matter of temperament, in any case searching for a clinical psychologist to sort it out seems to be a good call for you
Godspeed
Don't lie huh? What if you've got a truth that NOBODY wants to hear? What then?
Tell the truth anyways
@@ScytheJackal In a perfect world yes, but if only life were that simple.
@@timdavis2522 if only
One-twenty
50 hours a week are rookie numbers
Yeeeyy, he aknowledge video games. Now let's go play 50 hours per week, eh eh eh =)
Personally I wouldn't bother much if some of the people I watch and admire disagree on something I like. So I find the title of the video kinda funny. Not everything has to align.
Радой що питрсон хот играм не призатий .Как реслнгу
Gamers rise up
Title is massively misleading. No your addiction isnt justified...
What does it have to do with this?
Hi sweet heart how are you how was a day how about me having with you? so many people you have who you have company and busy talking with people around you i am tired of all that now I am slow to watch some work is going on at home septic tank cleaning busy to see them now night duty and i like to hear you others i do timepass not interested some conteminated food mind gets kick so slow down things
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This man is not being honest about video games, it's a huge industry and the same government that he works for as a professor gains huge profits from that industry. He will not criticize it, his hands are tied and he will not risk being alienated from the youth he is supposed to be in contact with, especially if they are potential future clients. I have a lot of respect for him and his work but on this matter, I didn't believe he truly stood behind all that he said, especially the "going pro" part, which is a huge bait for addicts
This seemed weird and incoherent compared to his other works. Is there other videos where he talks about video games because this was really out of character for him.
How so?
I thought it was clear he was responding to a question by one of his students
What was the question? It sounds like he saying "Yes, video games can be time wasters" but then he jumps to some other topic at 1:10 that I don't understand the tangential relationship. Am I right in thinking the video is just a bad cutaway from a larger discussion he was having?
Jared Prymont Walking on eggshells
Seems like he was talking about how immersive video games can give you a superficial sense of meaning that while stimulating is ultimately unfulfilling
It's ok to game, just don't believe Todd's sweet little lies.
Who’s Todd?
@@ScytheJackal ruclips.net/video/hFcLyDb6niA/видео.html&ab_channel=Crowbcat
I don't know, gamers seem to have a lot in common with adults who watch anime and other cartoons. They're almost apathetic in the real world but super pumped to just escape into a pretend world. I mean they're literally adults dressing up and playing pretend... And see it as perfectly healthy. They also buy a lot of toys... As adults. I don't know if they were traumatized somewhere, just emotionally unintelligent or maybe they're just raised that way because their parents are the same? And there's this stereotype that in order to be a 'nerd' you must be intelligent... Maybe these aren't nerds and are just socially awkward dorks because I have yet to actually come across an intelligent adult that games a lot or watches cartoons on the regular. They're definitely lacking self awareness too. And all of the young kids my kids know that are heavy into gaming and anime and cosplay are either massive perverts, some form of LGBTQ and/or are suicidal. I actually feel really bad for these people. I'm sure reality seems like a major pain in the ass for them.
Lmao get a brain bro
"i don't know about gamers" corrected it for you
What an incoherent Rambler, I'm so glad I torrented his audio book to form my opinion of this pseudo intellectual and didn't contribute to the financing The Cult of Peterson.
Maybe you just don't have the attention span to listen to what he is saying. It's never been an issue for me.
@@stephenhughes5156 This comment is as Dead as Peterson's brain. 😆
@@glassjawboxer Clearly not as you still think that way. I guess you're smarter than a guy that has been a lecturer at Harvard University though.
@@stephenhughes5156 smarter than he is now. Face it, you're Messiah Daddy is a pill head Who wasn't Man enough to admit he had an addiction. He's never coming back.
@@glassjawboxer Well he did admit it, didn't he? Isn't that how we all found out? Theres no need to take pride in his misfortune just because his words don't resonate with you. But don't worry, he will be back. And I for one won't think any less of him because of it. You enjoy your sense of moral superiority though, I'm sure you deserve for being such a smart guy that is contributing to the world in such a meaningful way.
Title is misleading. How many games do you know that "teach cognitive skills" HAHAHAHAHAH
Tons of them