How to Handle a Pathological Workplace - Prof. Jordan Peterson
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- Psychology professor Jordan B. Peterson offers essential advice for anyone who has to endure pathological conditions at the workplace.
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"You have an ethical responsibility as a citizen to forthrightly confront creeping tyranny no matter where it occurs'" J. Peterson
This is how you trash your entire career. Trust me.
In every day life, shut up and flow like dead fish. This is how you make career. Quote// Myself
I definitely agree that fighting tyranny is every citizen's responsibility, that being said I'm not quite ready to pick up a federal charge for storming the capital yet
@@bumblebob5979 develop the self-awareness and ability to speak up.
@@laprepper hehehehe
@@laprepper leave the place
Pick your battles, your poison, don’t make any unnecessary enemies, get your words right, & have an exit plan.
Sound advice: my company I worked for of 13 years and family owned) was taken over this March by a vastly bigger corporation. The toxic pathology started from day one of the take over, with overt bullying and intimidation. Preparation before you go is key, and it is always wise to remember that once you have spoken out and defended yourself within this environment, you will be a managerial target. Corporations do not like strong, free willed souls.
Yep been there.
4 month later...how did it all work out for you?
@@crystaledwards9878 Me too. Learned the hard way Human Resources is NEVER in your corner.
@@sirreadsalot786 Not in today’s work environment. Look at the size of most Human Resources departments, they are quite small and barely make a presence. Their number one goal is to follow executive leadership’s orders and make sure the company doesn’t get sued in the process. If you have a legitimate issue and you take it to them, back it up with proof, facts in writing, and witnesses, but just know they will chalk it up to a misunderstanding that should be worked out by you and the other parties. Basically, you will still be dealing with the problem for a while. Bringing awareness to the issue is just the beginning. Even the best organizations will handle issues this way because they don’t want to get sued. They also have little awareness of the psychology behind toxic work environments and the pathology of narcissism in the workplace, but even if they did have awareness, they still don’t want to deal with it.
@@Chris-tg3qy You just stated my point.They are in the employer’s corner. They want to diffuse the situation as soon as possible..and get rid of the “troublemaker.” They have zero interest in the facts and doing the right thing.
The workplace can actually be hell on earth... Most important i feel is to stand up for yourself otherwise it can hurt you in ways that corrupt your whole life.
My coworker just passed away from a massive heart attack a few days ago and the last things he said was that his job was stressing him out and the boss was bullying him.
I’m afraid this will happen to me. I was jolted awake by what felt like a spirit the other night sense I’ve been going through this. Maybe it was just because of stress, weed and alcohol. I’m gonna go find a new job I think. I’ve been very suicidal. Sorry for your loss that’s awful!
"Just say what you have to say" ..... straight to the point
This is great, 'you've got options' and "you've got a God dam duty"
Don't underestimate the power of this video. It is the toolbox to endure and survive a hellish beacratic nightmare. Thank you Dr Peterson.
In the nursing field, confronting tyranny comes with a high risk of disownership from the group, depending on where the tyranny is coming from. Lateral violence is a solid thing in nursing.
Oh, it is hostile for nurses this health care system enables bullies each and every time, these people get away with everything, it's crazy.
@@melissakemp2741 : Only a person with a moral compass doesn't play the same kind of vicious games. Takes a strong, courageous person to stand up to it.
The biggest problem in society, today, is we're letting people without morals run roughshod, and the only reason they're unopposed is because good people play fair.
Nurses managers like to hire new nurses, then fire then when their health benefits are about to kick in. Saves a few bucks, and they have fun jerking around new nurses.
@@shutterchick79 wow
@Sunny Love I was smh thru your whole comment. Im a CNA for over 25 years. The people I work with is drastically different than where the bar was when I started. Its a day started with prayer. I have to feel good with the work I do despite of others. Its truly a spiritual fight everyday. Its hard but Im determined not to be pulled down to their level. Fight the good fight!!
I like the advise for being ready to move to another job. It's liberating to know you don't have to put up with crap. The only problem is it seems there is crap everywhere. Unhappy people are still unhappy when they are at work.
Yes, thanks to passive society and lazy minded people now this shit is everywhere!
Christian agree-- people are assholes everywhere
There are good work places and bosses but they are hard to find. When find one stay there. Best advice: Read The Hatchet Man's Playbook - a LOT of eye-popping , non-obvious stuff!
The King!!
I’ve got a bad boss at work. However, I’ve got myself on a 2-year course so I can get a better job. That’s a huge weight off my mind. I can sleep well again.
"You've got to set yourself up so you've got mobility" that's basically a nice way of saying "always have some f**k you money".
Or another work option.
And keep your skills up to date
Or a plan
Dealing with this right now. My therapist says to stay silent and not do anything. This video makes me realize that staying put and staying silent might not be good options
Stay silent, stitch your parachute, and jump when it's time. Because when you have a parachute, you'd be less concern if the plane blows up.
Was your therapist paid by the medical insurance offered by your employer?
Great point!
I spoke up and went above my manager to his manager and he changed things right away but it won’t last and my co workers have said the exact same thing. I was going to go to Hang with my co workers now I don’t want to. I don’t trust anyone. Upper management is never there in the hangouts but I’m just done I never want to see any of these people ever fing again.
It’s good to have something you OWN that pays you more than your job. I encourage those that are going through this in their workplace to just Start a Business. That’s what drove me to start mine. I’m in my early 20s and I refuse to live my adult life giving my time and energy to a place where I feel backstabbed and unappreciated.
What's your business about? I'm going through the same struggle rn.
There's a reason I bought a house in the ghetto, because it's one step for me to be closer to not having to work, I love my company and we're doing amazing things but I only have so much tolerance for the way people treat me because life is short and I'm not making so much money that I can accept having my integrity and work ethic question by my supervisor when I'm clearly one of the most experienced and hard-working people on the team and in the department.
Are you making money though
This! Always be willing to go it alone. Remember how bad CEOs/managers treated you and use it as a reminder of how not to treat your own employees in future. Too many business owners think they can use and dispose of humans like trash and just throw a pizza in their direction every so often to appease them. Don't be one of those people. These days people are more concerned about their working environment and are willing to forgo extra money and perks in order to be treated with basic respect.
Where/how do I start
Thank you Dr Peterson! I have done that to the bullies because they think they can put their load of shit on me in order to quit. I quitted now and receiving more decent salary than the average of them with less labour and hours.
I studied & trained in a profession that is 98% female. I was not welcome. The tutors treated me like I was there for some nefarious reason, then when I entered the job experience I was made to feel so unwelcome & uncomfortable that I had to give it up. I conducted myself with nothing but polite & professional behaviour, yet was still treated like I was there just to score phone numbers, yet I never once attempted to chat up a single female. The profession was vet nursing. I didn't care it didn't pay much, I wanted to help animals, but was made to feel like a perv. I am not some gross older bloke either. I was in my early 30's & above average in looks, well spoken, polite & respectful. At the time I had a long term girlfriend so was not interested in a single one of them anyway. It was obvious that as a male I simply was not welcome in this female dominated profession. So it's not just men who deal with sexism in certain industries. men just don't complain about it so you never hear stories like mine.
Thank you for sharing this
Descrimination happens in every direction. Double standards keep it in the dark.
That’s so sad. You sound like such a sweet guy. As a woman I refuse to work at female dominated jobs.
@@wintermatherne2524Yes, for sure. I'm not sure why many women seem so combative and for the want of a better word "bitchy". Seeming to thrive on drama. Men can't be like that to each other all the time, as there is always the threat of serious physical violence. So it seems to keep us in check a bit more, on the gossip & creating drama front, in the work place. Women often seem to be terrible to each other. I enjoy caring, gentle people. Who want to leave every situation in a better state than when they found it. A avoid drama at all cost. Work is exhausting enough without the mind games & gossip etc. Kia ora from NZ :)
My male co workers give side hugs and I try not to look into it but maybe these woman have been abused by a male. Sorry you dealt with that though that’s awful and I’m glad you shared your story
Thank you. I’m disgusted with my workplace. The management is so abusive. I spoke up about the abuse. They ruin your soul. I don’t understand how they continue on this way.
Me to I’m so depressed and cry every day. I’m going to apply for new jobs so hopefully something happens soon. I did find a job across the street from where I work and asked if they were hiring for the summer. I’ll have to take a pay cut probably and it will be part time but they were very positive. Very quiet environment to and I’ll be working with others who have a disability just like me. I let the lady know I have a disability I usually don’t disclose this but sense they work with those with disabilities I thought it would be okay. Her response was “great” basically saying that pretty much what we are looking for type of attitude and she was so kind. She gave me the card yesterday to call so maybe I can work there at least one day a week and have my toxic job also or see what they can do for me. Idk if they are actually hiring though but I seriously need to quit my toxic job or I’m gonna end up dead or 51/50 again
Once you're targeted, you're out of a job. It's just a matter of time. You've nothing to lose by standing up. The best way to stand up is by showing the team that you're a strong, capable worker who is in every day and you set boundaries if people step too far. You have to persuade the team who are not being bullied to see that bullying is happening - that way they start to look for other jobs because they can't handle the atmosphere or feel they'll be bullied next. Once you resign you tell the team it was great working with them and you're upset it had to be a sad ending but your health and safety to do your job at stake. It's up to you what you feel is the case but I'm telling the truth. (Other people gossip like crazy, so they'll all know whose the bad apples deep down). Tell the others to take a stand if it happens to them and wish them the best. Persuade the team they've lost something valuable and the bullies will be completely disrespected by their team afterwards. Many leave whilst most often than not the bullies stay because they've no option.
usually those that are not bullied are the lazy boot lickers.....as long as you kiss managers' ass you'lll ok
I like the way you think! 💪
@@almy75 yeah I started to doubt my work capabilities . Cause I’ve been targeted 3 times now : I saw people who sucked at their job not being picked apart and I would far succeed anyone else and always be targeted. I sued the last place that did it and they had to pay me 25 thousand .
@Stanky Pankey different country lol
@@TheAlsdkf on what legal grounds did you sue them?
I'm totally sure that the number of phsycos has increased tenfold in the last few years and it's not just young ones either,the older ones do it in the guise of "helping you".
I’ve been so much more toxic I’m just fing ashamed of myself. I need to work in a peaceful environment 😂. I went to a coffee shop and am thinking about working there and at Planet Fitness since they said they were hiring. Well Planet Fitness did the other place I’m not sure
How to know if pathological things are happening in the workplace:
1. If you're required to do things that make you feel weak and ashamed.
wildly
-Sensible people say nothing, when they should say something.
-Prepare to find another job, a better job. Set yourself up so that you have a lateral move at hand
2. Are there things at work that are disturbing my soul?
-Eliminate your own personal pathology. Are you stupid deceitful and lazy
3. If you're aimed at the good, take heart
-Pick your poison
tyranny or famine.
4. If you're being oppressed
I once stood up about my workplace and how i was being treated unequal. Many of my co-workers agreed with my opinions and felt the same way. I felt prepared to talk, and was pretty much let go.
There were plenty of suspicious patterns that felt targeted towards me. Once i spoke up, they sort of brushed it off and pretty much didn’t do anything.
Same here. They just ignored me and changed the subject.
I have the same thing only one of my coworkers who agreed with me told management what I said and made it work than what I had discussed. I have now been targeted worse. I don’t know what to do
I find getting a mew job and then saying it in the exit interview and telling to fck off the best way to do it. Expecting a toxic place to change is like asking a cheetah to change its spots. There are many jobs out there and you can do better.
Had a new boss come over from outside the company who was clueless. He violated procedures daily & I reported him to HR. I was targeted & put on a PIP based on false information. When I raised an ethics concern, they fired me with the investigation still underway. 18 years with the company & good performance history. Best thing to ever happen. The work environment gradually became more toxic over the years adversely affecting everything.
How bout waiting until the most hectic time and quitting without notice?
Lots of tyranny does occur at mid level bureaucracy - I cannot agree more
This is exactly why I worked in 14 different positions over a 37 year career. Bullies and psychopaths seemed to be attracted to management positions. Fortunately I had a portable skill set. This is not always easy to attain and can take years. While you’re building that skill set, you might have to hunker down and put up with the toxicity.
Yup! See my post below!
I am happy I am not the only one thinking psychopaths like to take height positions.
Or people lacking in self awareness
My problem is that because of meeting these people I have become super toxic also the only way I can change is to get out of these toxic relationships and go thru counseling
"...confront creeping tyranny no matter where it occurs..." Amen Dr. Peterson. Easier said than done, but a huge Amen.
It is I have confronted it and I’ve been even more depressed but I told myself I would no longer be a coward
Today I'm filing a harassment complaint with the EEOC. Tomorrow is my last day of work for a family owned business that assured me I would be safe from harassment and petty manipulation.
I was harassed by an employee, told my two area managers what he had been doing and to please not leave me alone with him. One responded with a big display of solidarity with this creep the next day we all worked together.
Told the day shift manager, the owner's 2 daughters, and the FOH manager. I messaged both of the owners separately that I no longer felt safe and had turned in my 2-week notice. I also requested a meeting with them.
I heard nothing back, even when they came into work. They had plenty of opportunities to do a proper investigation.
Harassment is hard to prove, but even if I don't win, this will send a clear message that it's their responsibility to protect their emoloyees and to train their management on sexual harassment and creating a hostile work environment.
I’m so proud of you! 😢 I’ve been speaking up also and my bosses boss had a meeting with management and now they are acting fake nice and really pulling through. It’s a facade I’m not a moron. I have a tendency to see right thru people I may be a slower thinker but it’s my super power 😂. Where did you end up?
“ You say the devil you know is likely better than the devil you don’t know - well don’t be so sure...Is this job making you weaker or making you stronger? ... If you are aimed at the good in life; take heart, you are stronger than you think....Whether your choice is between tyranny or famine - you have a choice...If the conditions of your workplace are oppressing you in your soul, you are an agent of your own destruction, and you are letting people who are weak and corrupt win...Not walking out is a complete psychological disintegration over time”..:JP paraphrased here, speaking good advice.. I am terrified to leave my “high salary”, 18 year long, pathological & unethical workplace; but taking heart at JP’s advice. I don’t need permission to be happy, and I can find a way out, just like I found a way in. God please give me the strength.
Sensible people in corporations keep quiet for fear of being singled out as "troublemakers" and ending up losing their jobs, it's that simple. Management always wins.
They do unless they are dumb enough to say or do something dumb that gets the company sued
Not if they need you more than you need them. That's why peterson is saying, always have a lateral move. You cannot negotiate if you can't tell them to fck off.
Many of these comments are people literally not watching 1st half of this video and going to negotiate when they don't have a backup solution if things go south. You cannot negotiate when you cannot afford to lose.
I know my boss can afford to lose, but it'd be a hefty cost. As for me, i have job orders throwing themselves at me. Are they good jobs? No absolutely not. But if push come to shove, I can always move to a bad job for a few months before finding something else better. Hiring another me, takes an avg of 6months to 2 years. I can also work for myself if I want to. Leverage is the key. You've got nothing to negotiate if you cannot lose.
Everyone is replaceable. Even if it is not true, It is the opinion of your boss who thinks of only herself/himself. Toxic bosses don’t care about the work output, logic, your value or other circumstances. They are so self-absorbed that it makes them so short-sighted and they make only decisions that put them in a better position EGO-wise (money, sense of self-worth). So in a way they are dumb, they are insecure about it and reflect it on others. “They need you more” is not applying to them, they act for their individual goals
Before accepting a job position, try to identify whether or not the managers and 'superstars/all stars ' have any children or any type of real family life. If the answer no, then it's not even worth trying to work with that group if you have an inkling of interest in having your own family. Also be wary of saying you are fine with working in a group like that, and then eventually starting your own family- you will quickly become ostracized and be made into an outcast. It will be impossible to remain competitive in that type of group. Speaking from personal experience.
Absolutely brilliant advice, not just for corporate environments. Some people love manipulating and gaslighting other people, and the reason they're successful? They choose their victims carefully! Don't be a victim, stand up for yourself and your values. Speak up and say your thing calmly and forcefully. Only then do these people back off, because their cowardice resides in seeking out people who have low self-esteem, the easy prey. Don't be easy, speak your truth and stand by it.
@@jberndt88 Agree
For some reason this comment really helped but I have such bad anxiety. I’m going to look for a new job unfortunately it really does suck but I can’t do this any longer. I also may have to ask my dr to put me on disability so that I can find a new job
I’m also thinking about hanging out at the coffee shop and just sitting there until they hire me😂 god any place is better than my toxic work environment.
@@jberndt88what helps is listening to people on RUclips that have been diagnosed with narcissism they have helped tremendously for me to get better and to see the red flags. Ever heard of a guy named Lee? He’s a self diagnosed narcissist and he’s so great he has literally helped so much but I can’t stay in this toxic work environment any longer
Workplace bullying and workplace mobbing that's when you got more than one person in the workplace attacking you, yes in a workplace I am at now it's extremely disturbing.
Gives me nausea just by remembering about it
Same here. My superior commented on my breast and said I'm no Kate Winslet.shes a woman.
It’s basically domestic violence in the workplace and they cause job trauma or PTSD to the target.
At my last job I always spoke up an my supervisors hated it. It became increasingly pathological and I left. My current job values my opinion and uses it to locate pitfalls they may not be aware of
That is the difference ,can the supervisors handle the truth ? if they can't, you are screwed
@@ifynzewi544 That is true. I called out on my boss for bullying me. I had enough. The next day she reduced my hours and gave me duties that she knew would me me feel low.
@@nostalgia9338 reduce the air in her tires
Thinking of the same. Mines been small, just disagreements about reporting to child protection and fraud... because you know it's not 'severe' enough. Last I check we don't investigate, they do.
It’s so true, when your opinion means nothing, any ideas are absolutely not even a consideration, any improvement possibilities are looked at like mutiny against their rules. Teamwork is not allowed as it forms bonds in the workers. Workers bonding makes them nervous. This is where I work.
This duty extends across society, to confront irrational and dogmatic behaviour. To uphold critical thinking. To promote better understanding among differing sections of the population, instead of groupthink leading to polarised one-sided opinions. And this applies to one's own home too. Family. Be bold wherever it is needed.
WOWWWWWW. Dude You really nailed it!!! I have been thinking about this so much lately, and you literally hit the nail on the hammer!
I'm very grateful to work in a healthy working environment
You guys hiring?
@@fraves9372 fr
If the boss is partaking, yes look for another job, and quick! The problem is: can we perpetually "look for other jobs"? Maybe confrontation takes practice?
Go into business for yourself.
Not any more
Find the new job before you start getting burned out and upset or you won't come off well.
I stood up to my employer mandate, questioning legality and ethics and informed consent. I was targeted for my trouble and before I knew it, I was being Performance Managed, despite having the top Nr’s in my group. Being a sensitive, conscientious, perfectionist and hard working employee, it was devastating and traumatic to have trumped up performance charges thrown at me, and being gaslit while they insisted it had nothing to do with my opinions. I hung in for months hoping they were being honest and that if I just followed the “process” it would blow over. But they bullied me and destroyed my confidence and soul with an unjustifiable termination. We had to sell our home. It caused me almost 2 years of inconsolable grief and trauma, depression and then ptsd
I wish I’d listened to the video before it all happened.
I would advice that you should never speak to your bullies at work, because it will get even worse and you may snap and leave. So, just plan your exit and leave. Sometimes, it is a job after another that you find these toxic people around, are you really going to speak up every single time. I have done my part, and it made a HELL in my life, and it leaves big scars on every level.
If you can't tell someone to go to hell, then you can't negotiate with them. And if they've got you over a barrel then you can't say anything.
I am struggling with work stuff. I stumbled onto this video. No joke, but for me this is life changing! Thank you!
Don’t let it stop or dissuade you from pursuing your vision in life, rather allow this to fuel that engine capable of inspiring you to surpass your goals.
Precisely the reason I had to leave where I work. After 2 years of trying to negotiate to make things better, my boss refused to hear out anyone that disagreed with his policies and decisions. It became quite corrupt.
I was thinking today that maybe I am messed up because I do not allow injustices at work and maybe I should just go along to get along and accept the injustice. But then I thought of how we have been trained in schools to be compliant and not think for ourselves and this is likely the cause of most people not speaking up. I agree with Jordan that we have a duty to some extent as citizens.
Absolutely. The corporate world is a breeding ground for sociopaths because of the bystanders.
my day job took all of the fighting spirit out of me and decided that i couldn't speak my mind but another person (the favourite) could. being paid 7.5k less than someone else on the same level is depressing and demoralising.
Just left this exact nightmare upon realization I already have two others jobs providing better sources of income.
I hope things are better now.
Another GREAT resource on the subject is a piece titled The Hatchet Man's Playbook - a LOT of eye-popping, non-obvious stuff! Can't recommend it highly enough!
Fucking Peterson always knows what to do. Gotta love him
That truth hit me in the face. Thank you
With Jordan Peterson on my side, I always heave a sigh of relief.......
This was probably the best video I’ve ever watched straight to the heart of the matter.
Just got out of one of those, could have used my words better. But I'm so very happy to have seen myself grow stronger. Thank you for putting words to what I just experienced!
I read this comment somewhere that the purpose of making money etc is so that you can say no to people.
Good talk!
This is the old Peterson I used to like and admire. Thanks, this was helpful. Best advice yet. However, I am outspoken and did speak up. The bullies just double down and concocted a narrative that now they are the victims! And weak and corrupt people DO win. When one is outnumbered, time to leave.
Sorry you had me curious at, "...I used to like and admire." I just discovered Jordan, could you go on about why you said that?🤣
@@whaddupbaby His content now is more focused on politics
I prefer the older simple videos to the dramatic ones with the background music etc
This was interesting to view, though standing up to these sort of scenarios takes more than a mere willingness to push back. You have to be very smart about it or you will be no match for a strong opponent. You need to be prepared, supported and to have an alternative if it all goes down hill fast. Be wise as serpents and gentle as doves when walking where angels fear to tread.
I think this is an under-rated comment. You have to be wise in your pushback and ensure you have support and the ability to cover for yourself if it becomes your word vs that of someone in a position of power and/or seniority. If entering into a hostile situation, try to have a neutral arbiter as a witness if possible. Do not lose your temper and try to win through smart and cunning diplomacy if possible. I am guilty of the latter. I lost my shit once or twice and it did not work in my favor.
Bang-on, Dr. Peterson: Thank you so much for sharing this!!! :)
Thank you. I needed to hear that.
This is gold man - thx JP.
I wish I had heard this talk 4 years ago.
Thank you!
Unfortunately in my old company i was the only one that did waht you say.
I was the only one that was saying something, and escalating to higher management, and i was the most knowledgeable engineer so i was confident that the management won't come to me and try to do something...
But the other engineers didn't support me.
And at first the problem was one manager (the gm of the regional office) then some of the orher managers left due to the toxic environment and politics that was going on and they were replaced by people who aren't knowledgeable but loyal to the first gm who started the toxic atmosphere... and it went worse... and there were 3 cases where they set up and fired people over mistakes they were making...
I couldn't do anything coz i didn't have support from sensible people who didn't want to expose themselves and say something....
I left the company 1 year ago and since then almost all the team i worked with left the company...
So i think that yhe advice you are giving is precious and that is the best way to face these situations.
I'm not stupid, deceitful, or lazy. Quite the opposite. Today - 11 of my coworkers, including the manager, ALL worked to sabotage me - it didn't work - they all went home early - they expected me to quit, but no, DESTROY THE GUILTY LEST THE INNOCENT PAY - stand up for yourself.
Thank You, I needed to hear that.🙏
Great advice, real assessment.
I love this video man, the answer I needed.
this is what I needed to hear today
Great Video...
Excellent advice.
Here's a story: back in high school I used to do wrestling. Literally every night before a meet was always often a stressful endeavour. Thoughts of engagement, the tension from all those watching. However after a meet was always a deeply reflective and blissful experience. Some battles are worth fighting for.
Yes Peterson...✊
The most honest and valuable speech I ever heard about this topic it’s meaningful.
THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart 👍
“Self respect “ Wize! Thanks 😊
What if you are in a workplace where everyone is against you and has a hit on you where they are trying to stress you out to make you quit. They feel I got someone then they found out I did not but now they still have that animosity toward me. This is causing me tremendous stress
Try getting a new job.
Patrick Epps YES, what the other person who replied said... go find another job. My son is in this same position rn. While still working at the job he’s unhappy with, he’s actively looking for other work. He’s honing his resume, he’s working on contacting people and networking, and he’s talking to headhunters. Sometimes you have to jump to several positions/jobs before you find a good place and a good fit. Good luck and keep working on *yourself* as well.
Patrick Epps bro just be real say to them anything you want to say and do this for a couple of days and things will changes.. if you can stand your ground at least
I don't think it will be sustainable to spend our entire lives "looking for another job". We have to learn how to shutdown those scumbags. The million dollar question is how. Maybe confrontation takes practice?
take pride in the knowledge, that you are threatening enough to them all, that they have to gang up on you. keep doing what you do, feed off of their fear!
I just started a few months ago at a job with a 4/10 schedule, thought I hit the jackpot at first. It's a state job but a bureaucracy with red tape who hire less the desirable personalities because the job security makes everyone untouchable and you can't fire bad workers. Now, I'll be honest I met some good people but I work on a crew in a group setting and I have to be around the same people all day everyday and even lunch.. I enjoyed it for a while as we built a bond it seemed at first but it was too much interaction.. I slowly started feeling suffocated by childish behavior.
3 of them were intolerable after a few months, I need my own space for even just a few hours a day, I really just want to work alone but I was forced to be connected at the hip with any personality they hired.. these guys weren't horrible work ethic necessarily but definitely micromanaging and tried to play everyone else's work as means to make them feel less confident. I chose to work hard and create more of team work than a competition between us.. it always felt like a competition and them trying to find eachothers mistakes, backbiting, gossip, hostility.
. i think these types a job are super negative after a while.
I stood up and spoke out about some social issues in my work place. I got fired, went to jail, my family has made me an out cast, and my body is in knots because of all the stress. This has happened over a period of two years. I still believe what I said. My family is slowly coming back. My body is still stressed. I found another job. My legal problems are still present. Maybe in a year I will distress.
How did that end up in jail time?
I think being a business owner is the only 100% way of never having to deal with crap from someone.
UNLEASHING POTENTIAL - PSYCHOLOGY VIDEOS mostly correct but, depending on the nature of your business, you are still subject to the tyranny, stupidity and arrogance of the ever expanding army of regulators. This is where you find those who, in the absence of any genuine talent, take it on themselves to drain the positivity, creativity and profitability from the sector and in the process create more waste, misery and destruction than the Luftwaffe.
Seriously? I presume you mean a successful business and your customers determine whether you're successful or not. So they rule. It may be better than being an employee but everybody serves someone unless you're completely financially independent.
Customers, government e.t.c you can't run away from the public
Open a Cleaning business and tell me you won’t have to deal with crap from anyone. True story many cleaners have been chewed out because someone at 11:00 p.m is working overtime and doesn’t want anyone there. In other words we close at 5:00 but you work according to our irrational schedule, even if it means starting work at 2:00 a.m. Trust me there are many out there who treat cleaners like that. Just one example of a bad business in which abuse is rampant.
And it’s the same damn people who expect you to not have a set schedule who don’t want to pay you a fair price or on time. Being a business owner is no guarantee that you’re gonna avoid the Crazies!
you sir are so wrong. Im just gonna leave it like that.
I did say something. Turns out, the office bully & my boss were sleeping with each other, ganged up on me & got rid of me.
Dr. Jordan Peterson 🙏🙏🙏🙏
sounds like my workplace. thanks this is good advice
awesome video
Yes. I agree ☝️ also if you do not stand up for yourself or at least air your grievances you will make it a new normal for yourself and you will lessen your self worth to whatever degree you visualize or perceive the other person has you at ! It becomes a mix of imaginary torture and what’s actually going on that might set you over the edge. It’s always better to be seen as the honest person that is upfront and direct maybe to a fault than the week pushover with no self worth. There might even be a co worker you will help with your action that you might be actually saving! You never know
I have been a facilities manager for 30 years for multifamily communities and I can tell you it's been Hell trying to stay sane especially when managing HOA's. This video should be played across the nation at every HOA community meeting in order to make the crowd understand that the on-site facilities manager is dealing with a Hell of lot of chit and just because he/she is more visible everyday doesn't mean you get to treat them like dirt. I wish I had come across this gentleman's wise words decades ago, it would have saved me a lot of grief. But eventually I came to the same conclusion. I speak up, and while I may still be polite, I make my opinion known and wear my emotions on my sleeve.
Strategic Battle"-
Heard that!
Tyranny or famine. I picked famine.
The hard part is when your boss doesn’t listen to honest logic. The even harder part is when your boss says things just like that to you and to other people. The hardest part is when a dozen fellow subordinates all have similar words about her and the only person unwilling to come to terms with their own faults and mishaps is the owl demon boss and and the ones with the callused hands suffer for it. When you can’t figure out who the snake is, it’s time for you to bear that wisdom. You give me your money, your “knowledge,” all your secrets and I’ll pretend to love you for as long as it takes to hatch my escape plan because while you think I’m giving you a scaly hug, I’m just figuring out the best position I can strangle and subdue you in. Just like crisis before a womb, a ball of mud before a lotus, the good snake will get its way, motherfucker. Some people are bitches. Be like snake.
Jesus, what a read
Hey, how are things going now?
I made my on notes and ideas based on this, I hope it helps others in revision.
How to know you're in a pathological condition
If you’re forced to do things that make you weak and ashamed.
If things are going mildly out of control, you need to be ready before it’s chaotically out of control.
Shut up and keep your head down is a good advice but what is the cost? Is it worth it?
The reason why it will worsen is no one is stepping or even trying.
Step 1 deal with it
Be ready to find another job, especially a better one, you may not quit or change, but knowing there’s an alternative helps. You need this as a leverage for negotiation. When deal with obstacles, prepare lateral choices.
Step 2 Look out for related variables
Are you weak, deceitful, lazy? Or it’s something external? If it’s problems within yourself, then you can work on it immediately, if it’s external, you need to start to talk/prepare about it before it collapses.
Step 2.1 Internal
Choose who you are becoming. If you continue do things that make you weak, things will not change for the better, it is difficult to change, but if you try, there is hope. The worst case of toxicity is the collapse of body and mind, and that’s a bad price to pay. Problems that aren’t solved will multiply. If you fight, you need to have a clear goal, otherwise you’re not fighting to win. You’re fighting like a drunktard, there may not be an enemy but you’re still fighting.
Step 2.2 external problems
On external problems, look for allies, if there are other people with the same problem, then collect evidences and together you can work something on a case. If you step up towards corruption, make sure you have things in order, otherwise you’re just becoming something you never planned.
I worked at a school board (SD44 North Vancouver) where threats of violence for honesty and competence were so commonplace I had to resign. AFTER informing the union, management and HR. They tried to gaslight me, incriminate me in various ways, abuse me (HR especially) into submission. All the people who uttered threats are still there. Working around children. Management, HR and the union all know this. Lord help us all.
The most damaging workplace I've ever encountered. And I've worked at other school boards.
I left a review at Google. It was deleted. Why, I'm not sure. It was truthful. I can prove the above.
At least you saved yourself and your soul.
Yup. I've met some shockingly corrupt people in education who would cut your throat in a heart beat if they thought they could. That's why I got out. My best advise: Read the Hatchet Man's Playbook.
@Luke James, they got terrible Google reviews already :)
The most successful and longstanding school board members are coincidentally the most morally bankrupt. Pure and unadulterated human filth.
Yup, that’s what happens. People scapegoat and manipulate you when you bring out the truth. Just keep moving forward, you’ll find a good place.
Been there...done that...
Preach Peterson! Amen.
I once worked for a company which literally had a resistance movement. This gained considerable support after "games, poems, etc." were "banned before 5.30 PM".
This sounds good though, cos it sounds like you all had a common enemy and banded together
@@ericamango Indeed. It was a long and torrid campaign, with most of the firm pitted against a central demon and a coterie of dangerous salespigs.
There is a huge problem with moving on to the next job workplace, we seem to think that the next workplace won't also have similar issues, workplace bullies are Narcassists sociopaths such people are on the rise, because they lack empathy and they are excellent liars expecially good at conning HR managers everywhere into believing they are the Right person to he hired there, thats how these creeps get in by conning managers and anyone neccasarry for there advancement unfortunately there is no way of knowing if the workplace your persuring is going to be any better than the one your escaping now, I mean seriously is there any questions one could ask during and interview to get a clue here?
Its a problem, you leave one toxic workplace just to jump to toxic workplace number 2 or 3 and so forth.
Even worse everyone is a mind reader who jumps to conclusions about what a person means with the things they say and everyone expects other people to be a mind reader and interpret words in the way you meant them.
I always assume until seriously proven otherwise that people are *talking past eachother even if both parties are nodding sagely* to eachother.
YES!!!!!!! SO MANY PEOPLE ARE TOO PASSIVE!!!! If you aren't ready to quit and be fired every day then you won't make it in the corporate world!!! You have to be willing to say F YOU every day and walk out!
Lol yeah ok.
What are are saying is way too risky
That attitude wears thin on people. Pick your battles.
@@joeldiaz5857 who cares him and me are business people not slaves
I’m not sure if this applies to my workplace or not. I have been there 4 months and it’s reputation in my town is of the best in the defense industry. I show up early, stay late, and do much more than I am paid for in my opinion. I am happy with my position and pay, but when I learned new things outside my job description and on my days off, people around me became resentful and began talking behind my back to the supervisors. They then essentially forced the supervisor to meet with me and the crew and suppress my ability to perform other functions when my primary work was low all the while smiling to my face and giving off the perception that I could trust them. I do not know what to do about it but I’ve decided not to let it effect my work drive and motivation to outperform my peers. Maybe someone here can weigh in on the situation? Thank you in advance.
Love the fact that the thumbnail is the cover from ‘Theme Hospital.’ A little known computer game about managing a hospital when I was young.
It seems he is reconstructing young people's thought processes, to think more laterally and logically. People being wrong is in reality the opportunity to be right so never be afraid to listen, when truth is being spoken you'll know, it will ring in your ear as if your alarm clock was big ben.
It's our collective responsibility to stop tyranny
vise versa
@@ashleyblanchard6713 It's tyranny's responsibility to stop the collective?
Serve your master
What makes you think you’re not selling your soul- Peterson 😳
I’m a 44 year old white woman with a Lpn in nursing. It’s been impossible to find work for me since I had children . Also Lpn can only work in nursing homes which basically you have to be black where I live. Nursing homes are black managed and have 100 black staff. As soon as I walk in the interview lasts 2 minutes. It’s obvious why. I’ve had head hunters and sent out daily 100’s of resumes even went in to hospital nursing homes only to be told apply online. I’ve applied for medical assistant jobs and even Starbucks jobs. I’m now working as a monitor in a public school . When I started the principal loved me now I have this new guy who follows me around my ENTIRE shift screams at me bangs onwalls like a maniac for no reason and targets me. I spoke to a lawyer he told me there’s nothing I can do . I’m devastated as I liked working with the kids. I’ve been skipping work to go in interviews for 6 months to no avail. If I quite I’ll be struggling but if I stay I’m afraid I might snap !
Can you record him on camera?
WELL SAID... But pathological stuff still goes on by entitled pathological people. They actually feel if they are not pathological then they are not doing their job.... Here is the thing to... sometimes you can tell a new guy the truth and it seems to him like you are being very pathological towards him... it is crazy systematic human behavior. The veteran employees feel the new guy could steal their job and the new guy gets "messed" with by some devious people...
That’s why it’s best to not seem a threat but sometimes you can’t help it cause people study you they see how people react to you they allow you to be destroyed on the site in everyway to protect their job even if you never wanted it
"Arguing is better than fighting... unless you want to fight."
Not true.
Sometimes, you don't want to fight. Sometimes, you WANT to do anything to avoid the fight.
But sometimes you NEED to fight, and arguing is only delaying the inevitable.
yep i agree, to get some respect expecially on the working roles
@Sammy2629 so... you've never been in a fight I guess. The guy who keeps arguing, once the fight is inevitable, is the guy whose ass is about to be stomped. It's not even that he can't win, but that he doesn't have the will to win, if he's still trying to talk after he realizes that violence is on the way.
As soon as you realize that violence is inevitable, there are only two options which could be called optimal: swing first or run away. Everything else is just signaling that you're either an idiot or a punk, or possibly both. The other guy isn't confused.
@Sammy2629 an absolute statement IS wrong, if there is another equally correct statement.
If his statement was "sometimes it's better to argue than fight" I'd have agreed completely.
His statement had no qualification to it though, meaning that arguing is ALWAYS better than fighting.
This is absolutely untrue. Sometimes, the fight is inevitable, and attempting to delay it only invites disaster.
But, let's even look at a scenario where the fight is NOT inevitable. Let's look at WWII. If we had stayed in the "argument" phase with Germany, it would have allowed them to rampage across Europe, costing untold thousands or even millions of additional deaths. Now, it is true that we may have been able to argue our way into a lasting truce with Germany, and thus have avoided the our involvement in the fight. But I don't think anyone would suggest that to be any sort of victory.
There are plenty of times that fighting is the right, and best thing to do. Any stance that says that you shouldn't fight, or that other options are intrinsically better than the fight, are ALWAY 100% wrong.
Oddly enough, Peterson even gets into this in a different lecture, about kids and especially boys establishing boundaries and limits through childhood roughhousing and violence. He puts forth that only because they've been in fights, do these kids understand the reality of violence, and thus have the restraint to avoid it. But, if the threat of violence weren't real, then there's no reason to negotiate or compromise with the other side.
So, not only is violence sometimes the best options, but it HAS to remain a realistic option, in order for there to be a motivation for peace.
@Sammy2629 nope. Once again, all you're doing is encouraging cowardice, which leads only to a ass whooping a bit later. Even if you're inevitably going to be on the losing side, getting it over early is never worse and often better than delaying.
In the case of the 2 dads fighting, if it were avoidable, then it wouldn't have happened. Period.
You don't get to pick someone else's behavior, only your own. If you know the fight is coming, and you choose to keep talking, you have avoided nothing. It's still coming. To say otherwise is just ignoring what the word "inevitable" means.
You also completely ignore the part where some things are simply worth fighting over, and remaining in the "arguing" phase is completely immoral and cowardly.
Now, clearly, I'm not advocating violence as a first action. But I will say, as an absolute, that any philosophy which says that violence is always wrong is all three: incorrect, immoral, and doomed to be destroyed.
@Sammy2629 it's funny how many words you use to contradict yourself.
When you make the statement that "arguing is better than fighting" without a qualifier before or after it, you're wrong. Period.
For all the reasons I've stated, it is absolutely wrong.
You even admit as much, and then circle right back around to making absolute statements, which are wrong again.
I think that if you could get past that, you might make sense. But you're hung up on that incorrect absolute statement, and in that you cannot be anything except wrong.
I tried all of this and nobody listened so I’ve done some professional exams and now I’m interviewing for new, better positions. I pushed back and won a few battles but I wasn’t nice company whilst I was doing it.
Many times people don't realize they don't hate the job as much as the environment. But either way . . . .There are many gurus who tell you that you shouldn't hate what you do. But does hating your job actually hurt your other planes in the physical, emotional and spiritual realm? As I told my own subscribers--yes it does. If you despise going to work that is eight hours of your day you are unhappy. Plus the getting up in the morning for it and getting back home is another two hours. Which would mean most of your day, most days of the week, most of your life--you hate doing what you do. This will affect the emotional plane and lead to the midlife crisis earlier than expected. It will drain your energy and then guess what? You stop taking care of your physical plane as well. Then your spiritual plane will fail as you see yourself as just another insignificant cog in the universe. So if that life in the high suburbs is destroying your planes my suggestion is to either laterally change careers or downsize so you can at least be content in what you do---most of your time. Hope this helps someone out there---Charles
👍gutsy inspiration for saying enough is enough.Thanks. ☺️