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10 Movie Villains You Didn't Realise Actually Won
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Hans Landa was an amazing villain. That role alone won Christoph Waltz over for me. His role in Django Unchained was equally as good.
With you 100% on that one mate. An amazing actor all around!
And his role as Blofeld was as shitty as shitty comes. ''Cuckoo.'' Are you kidding me? His Blofeld was one of the weakest Bond villains I've seen in years. A shame. But to be fair, the whole movie was generally a piece of crap compared to its predecessors.
The writing and directing is what let him down. He was presented no way near as threatening as the character should have been, and we know that Waltz is more than capable of portraying that threatening persona.
Hugo Lalumiere I liked him in that that but I'm no movie critic. I'm easily pleased and somewhat biased.
Kkylo Reeen You might want to watch gods of carnage (or whatever it is called in english) too
The Joker in TDK. He made the mafia look like idiots, drove Harvey insane, and made Batman kill.
Batman never really killed anyone tho
IRONDUDE11000 He killed Harvey at the end, when he was trying to save Gordon's son.
The Joker I think that's common knowledge.
The Joker hahaha what about when he just kills people on TDKR. At the end he shoots the truck with the bomb on it and kills the driver every one forgets that bit.
They mentioned Joker in their other video about villains who actually won.
Loki from "The Avengers". He never wanted to rule Earth...he wanted to be King of Asgard. He intentionally poked at the Avengers to tick them off because they were the only ones who could defeat him and make it look authentic in the eyes of Thanos, allowing him to get back to Asgard in one capacity or another. The plan he had from the beginning of "Avengers", while it had to be adjusted slightly here and there (partially because he didn't expect Thor to show up), came to its fulfillment in the second Thor film. Even his plan to fake his death so Thanos wouldn't come after him was planned from the beginning. ---yeah, watch those movies again with that in mind.
*neck snapping intensifies*
Eh, should've gone for the head
*THANOS SNAP INTENSLY INTENSIFIES*
and he became yggdrasil
The Joker: TDK
- He won in two ways. First of all he causes Batman to take action where he knows that action will end up killing someone (other than himself).
- The Joker also wins by bringing Batman down to his level - or at least the image of Batman. He wanted to show the world that they were alike, they were vigilantees dressed up and out of touch with "the real world". That actually happens, because Batman lets the public believe that HE killed a lot of people (in order to keep the image of Dent clean), and thus Batman as a symbol falls to a level comparable with the Joker - in the eyes of the public they were two beings of same nature.
The Joker might have died, but that was never really his defeat condition. His defeat condition would have been that Batman didn't directly result in someone's death, and Batman staying as a symbol of justice and good moral guide. Neither of those happened, which makes the Joker victorious in the end. This is further backed up by the fact that everything Bane is able to do is a direct result of the Joker's victory in destroying the symbol of what Batman is/used to be. The Joker was the judge, Bane was just an executioner who finished the job (but failed).
Joker won and lost he wanted to prove it to himself as much as he did everyone else and in that he failed. He got some of what he wanted even most of what he wanted but not all of it. He won the soul of Gotham but could not get Batman's. He definitely won more than he lost but what little he lost had absolutely nothing to do with his death.. He is a brilliant villain precisely because his nuanced half victory. Well not entirely he still would have been an excellent villain even if he fully won or lost but it definitely added to everything he was.
Scar from the Lion King. If you take into account the average lifespan of lions, he ultimately got what he wanted and died an old lion. Considering he was always sickly, he didn't have many years left.
Rotu's DragonSoul Reviews Damn, that makes no sense. He still lost in the end, he would've won if he had died of natural causes. You don't say an old person has won if his nephew feeds him to hyenas.
Elias6233 Exactly. Hitler lost because he didn't want to die but did. Stalin won cos he died of old age and even had his enemies killed post-mortum.
Elias6233 for lions, getting killed by a younger lion is as natural as it gets. He shouldn't have ever been king, so getting a 5-7 year reign when the average lion reign is 5-7 years I consider a win. You can't look at it on human terms, they're lions.
cumquatrct3 You must admit that is semantics at best. Stalin won completely in general villainy; he had total control of everything till the end
Nunya Business I hadn't realized Stalin was a movie villain.
Fun fact: Brad Pitts stunt double in Fight Club directed the movie John Wick.
Jim Stewart Cohen That's pretty cool.
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Zero Law I'm pretty cool.
Lex Luthor kind of won in batman vs superman
He wanted Superman dead. Superman died.
So yeah, he more than "kind of" won.
Well, until Justice League at least when Superman comes back and...Well...Just overpowers the main villain in the most underwhelming way possible. Zod died better than that...
Yeah he won
For some people, Helmut Zemo in Civil War is one that nobody realizes actually won. He tore the Avengers apart in ways Ultron and Loki never dreamed off. Some people don't understand that he won.
Matt Britton well if they didn't get it i feel sorry for them
Really underrated Marvel villain.
He actually won and everybody knew that.Throughout the film there were conlicts both from the hero law and from nowhere Stark-Bucky
MrSocioparty the movie you're referring to is Winter Soldier and you forgot that the weapons were controlled by a literal Nazi organisation and the people mentioned that were going to be killed were only people who can stop them such as the hulk and doctor strange not terrorists and criminals. So no Cap and Nat did the right thing stopping them.
Also really genocide is good? Genocide involves killing whole groups of people regardless of if they were innocent or not. For every murderer and terrorist that gets wiped out hundreds of innocent people die as well. You're just plain stupid to think genocide is good.
Matt Britton that's because he didn't win, no one died and the avengers will inevitably be reformed so in the end he has achieved nothing.
John Doe in Seven.
Travolta's character in Swordfish.
Joker in The Dark Knight.
Marvel Studios in Batman V Superman.....I'm just sayin....
Connor Webb Well you have to realize that there are a lot of people out there that see only John Doe dying, and they consider that a loss instead of a win or they see the Joker get captured and the people on the ships refuse to blow eachother up and they consider that a win for Batman disregarding what happens immediately after with Two Face.
And I guess to be fair, the ending to Swordfish has two endings, one where Travolta gets away with the money and one where he doesn't. I forget now which was the theatrical release.
But yeah, never underestimate the unobservant nature of your fellow human beings.
lol that marvel one is killer. I tried so hard to like bvs it has like 2 good scenes the whole fucking 2 and a half hours the rest is just nap time.
John Doe is in the episode, where it is obvious the bad guys win.. and it is
Actually all of those are obvious.
Although bonus- Lex Luthor Jr in Batman V Superman. Lex's goal was to kill Superman, and he succeeded. Yes he was outed and imprisoned, but Superman was still killed in the end- and by the monster Doomsday that Lex had created specifically as a back-up plan for if his plan to make Batman do it failed. This is probably de-valued when he found out about Darkseid at the end of the movie who will no doubt pull a Thanos and invade Earth as soon as the movies can bring about an opportunity, but his plan did still work.
Connor Webb IKR? Morgan freemans character, Somerset, literally said :" If you shoot him, HE WINS"
Don´t forget Mickey Mouse in Star Wars Episode 7.
i still love the film, like many other people. try harder the next time to convence us
This is so true it isn't funny
TheRomanRuler You don’t seem to acknowledge the concept of a villain’s victory. Try harder.
I don't get it
Too soon 😞
That rant about Uncle Billy met me on a spiritual level
1/3 not necessarily villains
1/3 didn't necessarily win
1/3 did win, but everyone realised it
Dumb list
Stfu
How do you *not* realise that Silva won Skyfall?
what about "silva" in no country for old men, he just walks away at the end, he was cold blooded as fuck in that movie!
+John Deathspell
the people that didn't watch that shitty movie are the ones who won.
And here I was hoping for a reasoned discussion on character and motives...
Shoulda known better. :P
John Deathspell lol
Movie was good until, they ruined it in the last 15-20 minutes,
Blue Chief ok kid, i guess, your opinion, not mine, i won't lose sleep over it...
in "old boy" even if the bad guy died he won at the end
Not only that, but he willingly committed suicide AFTER winning, joining his sister in afterlife. Double win. Great character, great film.
Hana Prieto Fantastic film!
Even if Oh Dae-su had "won" there wouldn't have been a good guy winning. There was no good guy to start with.
Oh gawd why did you remind me of that movie...watched it with a group of friends and we all had the same look of horror at the end >.
Thanks for reminding me of that fucked up movie dude --'
screwing his own daughter....good lord almighty !
how could you miss Zemo from Captain America 3
&
Most importantly
Anton Chigurh from No Country for Old Man
these two deserve top 3
Clockwork orange was pretty obvious too
There is no captain America 3
@@fin_dunks8656 civil war
Se7en?
Good one. I'd take that over Clockwork Orange in which the Villain obviously wins.
doesnt count, because we all know that the villain won in there, the movie straight up tells you that he won
Tbh this list had a good few movies in that same tone of "Bad guy clearly won".
the joker triumphed when he turned Harvey Dent into two face. Batman lost that battle severely.
and the joker survived in that movie
Ears Of Doom but batman had to take the blame for him and become a hunted criminal and went into hiding till the next movie he had to be the hero Gotham needs but not the one it deserves or some shit so in that way joker kinda did win
doesn't bane expose harvey or something though?
and regardless joker won on a personal level and only went to blackgate.. he would have likely escaped and or does later in that universe
I'm absurdly late to this comment, but the number of up-votes irritate me? They started this video off by saying it's not the same as movies where the villain wins, it's movies where most viewers DON'T realize that the villain won. The Dark Knight's last ten minutes are spent talking about how the joker won, and results in Batman taking the fall. So obviously everybody knows the joker won.
Alex from "A Clockwork Orange" shouldn't be on this list, sure he won, but everyone realizes he won. It's pretty specific.
Every second since he was in the hospital playing the poor victim was Alex winning, I have no idea how anyone didn't know that he won. He even says he won. Srsly wtf.
The really interesting thing about Kubrick's version of ACO was that it definitely did not match the author's intentions.
In Anthony Burgess' original novel he included a final chapter in which Alex finally recognizes the senselessness of his lifestyle and decides to shape up and turn his life around. But the American publishers convinced him that US readers at the time wouldn't accept such an ending, and convinced him to omit it from their printings. So Kubrick ended up basing his movie version off of the incomplete US edition, where he simply has his conditioning removed and he goes back to being his old self.
The truth is that Burgess himself never really wanted Alex and his droogs to be viewed in any kind of sympathetic light, and he was disappointed in the way the movie ended up seemingly glorifying sex and violence, while ignoring that Alex's "win" was really just the beginning of a deeper awakening for him.
Michael Price I think Alex was a victim, of society. We made him. Was that not the whole point of this social critique? Alex won? Or "society" failed?
The point made in the video wasn't that the viewers didn't realize he won, but that by the time he won the viewers had forgotten he was a bad guy too.
I think whether or not he was rehabilitated or not is besides the point. What's causing his generation to be degenerates has gone unaddressed, and the system is woefully unprepared to address the issue; as a whole. And the psychotic grin as he 'poses' for the camera, rehabilitated? Unlikely.
the guy played by kevin spacey in "seven". his plan came true when brad pitt (**spoiler**) shot him.
Except the movie explicitly points that out.
Don Corleone God dammit Don, I haven’t seen that yet! Also, aren’t you supposed to be dead?
@@Morningstar91939 Dammit Master Shake, I haven't seen that yet!
Overall I enjoyed your video tremendously, but I felt somebody should point out that the "Skyfall" example doesn't work.
Silva's objective was not simply for M to die - he could have accomplished this easily, such as by blowing up a building he blew up while she was in it. Instead, he timed the explosion so she would see it and be made to feel helpless. Rather, Silva's true goal was to destroy M's legacy, leave her without hope and THEN kill her. Only the third comes to pass, and even that part is not quite by his design.
While M does die, she takes the fatal shot WAY earlier - as in, pre-tunnel earlier - from a random hired gun who had been ordered by Silva NOT to harm M. Silva wanted M to die by HIS hand (did not happen) and for this to happen only after she had her legacy destroyed. In most of the latter respect Silva was successful - Bond's previous mission was a catastrophic failure for which she bore all responsibility and blame, she got a lot of agents killed, harmed or exposed and English spycraft was on track to fall out of use. The idea was for her to lose her job, all of her agents, her reputation and her lasting legacy - THEN her life.
The way Skyfall's ending plays out, however, M doesn't survive an earlier shootout but narrowly outlives Silva. Rather than dying at her trial, as per the plan, her own agents save her life in a flashy courtroom firefight, vividly displaying the continued existence of dangerous enemies and the need for covert agents. While the bombing of MI6 headquarters happens, MI6 simply moves back to its previous address - an impregnable, offline, underground bunker - supporting a recurring theme of old things having strength unseen. Rather than being responsible for the beginning of the end of MI6, M's hacker adversary and kangaroo court instead inspire her successor to take up her role as a super-secretive spymaster who trusts agents over technology. Finally, her prized protegé defeats Silva soundly and remains in the field after her death.
Her last words ("At least I got one thing right.") suggest that the latter point was the most important to her, but the fact remains that very few of Silva's ultimate objectives come to pass. He succeeds in killing M, but while his goal was for her to be disgraced she ends up vindicated.
Darth Sidious, Destroyed the Jedi Order that is still in shambles with the new movies and Luke Skywalker's generation of Jedi
most notable... "execute order 66"
Killa Kiaba I agree thanks for that insight 👍
Well, no... Darth Sidious won in SW3 with the destruction of the Jedi Order part of his plan to win. It's not sneaky or surprising. The fact that the Jedi Order is still in shambles is a result of him winning, not him winning more. It's like saying Rhas Al Ghul won in Batman Begins because the inmates of Arkham were still at large.
Well the Goal of him was power and he got it until his death so he won.
Technically the people in the movie didn't realize but we did so idk if this could fit the video
How about Helmut Zemo from Captain AMerica: Civil War? Guy did what gods, machines and monsters could not do. HE BROKE THE AVENGERS!!!!!!!!!
Egie Asemota but that was already obvious.
Everyone realised that. Since that is what the ENTIRE movie was about.
Egie Asemota don't over react they are two persons of the avengers not all of them and they are already broken like really at the first movie they fight each other the second the fight each other at the beginning only and at civil war they fight each other
no he fucking didnt u fucking moron
Call MeCastro Hey, shouldn't you be dead, for 3 days now?
Jack was not trying to stop the destruction of some buildings in the end of Fight Club, he was trying to get control of his life back. He succeeded in taking the first step.
3:56 "ooooh that's a bingo! Is that how you say it, 'that's a bingo?'" "No, sir. You just say 'bingo'." "Bingo!"
Ugh where is Helmut Zemo? He completely won in Civil War.
Shane O That's why he's wasn't on the list. He completely won and it was obvious.
lmfao idiot titles says "You Didn't Realise Actually Won"
I realized that the guy in Clockwork Orange "won" when I saw it (and rightfully horrified by it) and it still made the list. I'm pretty sure I'm not te only one because to me it was equally obvious as Zemo, who imo only thinks he won because Cap and Tony ended on only pretending to be on opposing sides
+xxTimesxx12Twelve12 But in fairness most of these examples were just as obvious as Civil War.
Shane O I agree
The Joker pushing Batman to kill Harvey Dent
Does that count? Not like Batman 'killed' Dent, he just pushed him and Dent died
He killed him to save the boy
Nooo, he PUSHED him to save the boy. Death by Gravity is not Batman's fault
White Mage Guess Joker got the last laugh after all
LMFAO how dumb are you?
"It's A Wonderful Life" isn't about bringing down Potter. It's about living a fulfilling life of love and family and friendship - of realizing that your life has meaning beyond financial success. George "won" by existing; by being the selfless, loving person that he is. Sure, Potter got 5000 more dollars -big deal. He had money. He doesn't get what he really wants - the Savings and Loans nor the destruction of George and his idealism. Pottersville doesn't exist because of George. George's brother saved all those lives because George was there to save his brother. George helped Clarence gain his wings.
Explain to me again how Potter "won" by getting another $5,000 dollars that he didn't really need or want except for what it could have gained him - but didn't.
Mr. Pink from Reservoir Dogs. Couple in the diner from Pulp Fiction. Clive Owen from Inside Man.
Mr. Pink was not the villain! Also if you listen to the background noise at the end it's pretty clear he's captured by the police.
We clearly can see Clive Owen making Washington a fool in the inside man. How did you not know that, given that you want that to be included in a video whose title clearly says that it's talking about movies where you don't realise that the bad guy won, not where we see the bad guy walking away to glory with money and a no liability
How about All the Other Reindeer in "Rudolf the Red-Nose Reindeer"? They didn't learn a damn thing about accepting people for their genetic differences. Only when he was found to be useful did they let him join in "all the reindeer games"...
Merry War On Christmas Everyone!
merry meritocracy everyone!
So true lol
Rudolf wound up leading them. Lesson learned.
Wait, The Great Escape? The nazis executes most of the escaping Pow´s in the end. How do you not realise the villians won?
Because they actually didn't. The POWs knew that it was extremely risky and unlikely to be successful. Main goal of the breakout was always to keep the Germans busy as long as possible, and that's exactly what they achieved.
That's the main issue with these videos.
'Lets stand here and watch the (successful) end of what i did as Tyler(Which Tyler flat out stated he intended as a start of something new), as the start of something new, accompanied by 'end-credits music' '
'Durden won', is clearer in that movie than 'Durden is a villain' is.
By far.
As Michael Berg pointed out, its an issue with almost every example given. Like Unbreakable, the whole ending was about how the Mr. Glass succeeded. Everything he had done was to find a hero. Maybe he sees it as redeeming himself, because he made sure the world had a hero to stop people like him.
Another one to note is Big Hero 6 - everything worked in Mr. Callihan's favor. Even though he got arrested, he destroyed the building of his nemesis and got his daughter back.
Great list! I've been saying since I first saw it that Skyfall is the only time a Bond villain actually succeeded at his plot. Because he kept it small. He didn't want to blow up the world, he just wanted to kill his boss, and he did it.
It's so weird to hear "I'm Adam from WhatCulture.com and I'll see you soon" without any WCPW video/Wrestling Magazine after it.
Derek Alfaro Good. WhatCulture Wrestling Adam is annoying and unlikeable. At least he is just doing a simple job here.
Quavion Deering He has a gimmick there though. Here he's just himself.
Derek Alfaro Exactly. I don't like his "gimmick" and everyone else's gimmicks. The only one I like from that group is Simon since he is just genuine and all around just a neat guy.
Quavion Deering Agree, I get why they do it, but it gets annoying after a while.
Derek Alfaro Agreed. Plus it's just I don't agree on their views and they seem sorta negative towards anything that isn't fantastic and it kinda just makes watching wrestling not fun to experience. Simon with his small series of video's and articles have opened up more about the positive side and delivering good points to why something is actually good or bad and not just beeing all gloom and doom about everything (Which is how most wrestling fans tend to be nowadays).
Clockwork Orange and Unbreakable don't belong in the list, imo. The villain winning was kind of the point in both cases.
I just watched Unbreakable last week for the first time after seeing it had a minor tie in with Split. Like if you didn't realize that the villain won in the end...then there really isn't an ending.
Not to mention the actual ending from the book is completely left out of the movie version of A Clockwork Orange. Alex starts a new gang but begins to think about giving up that type of life and becoming a productive member of society. The book was all about choice. The treatment forced him to be "good" and made him suicidal. Reversing the treatment and allowing him to choose how he wanted to act eventually leads to him choosing to abandon his evil ways.
I think Kubrick has always toyed with the idea of subverting the original story. I don't believe leaving the book ending out was any mistake. In this case I actually prefer the movie end
The original American edition of the book omitted the last chapter and apparently that's the version Kubrick read (presumably given to him by someone from Hollywood) and adapted for the movie.
Nor Fight Club, or Skyfall for that matter.
12 Monkeys should be on this list. The last scene shows the doctor who releases the disease getting on an airplane with biological samples, and he sits next to the lady from the future who tells him she's in "insurance," a reference to the idea that the destruction of society was unavoidable, and all the memories Bruce Willis's character had came true.
My favourite bad ending is 1998's, Fallen with Denzel Washington. It was a remarkable ending.
Spoiler...
It would have been even better if they hadn't already revealed earlier in the movie that Azazel could possess lower animals as well as humans.
"Let me tell you about the time I almost died" bit of a give away really lol
The movie starts with a spoilee
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You missed Judge Doom (from "Who Framed Roger Rabbit"). He may have been dipped, but he got his freeway (the 110 from downtown L.A. to Pasadena).
But not by destroying ToonTown and exterminating the Toons in the process which is what he wanted.
charlietuba but it wasnt through deleting toon town
Christopher Marshall I agree that building the freeway was a good idea but Doom wanted to kill all the Toons and destroy Toon Town so he'd have a place to build the freeway.
If it ended up built along a different route, then I'm cool with it.
man i wish tey made the planned sequel to WFRR
I knew I always liked the ending of skyfall, but I didn't realize why until just now: its because the good guys dont always win. Bond doesn't always save the girl, kill the bad guy, and stop the world ending mcguffin. It adds realism to the series.
Jareth the Goblin King from Labyrinth. The Vigilante Citizen did a great writeup of this.
Quentin Kaasa I wholeheartedly agree!
What about the nurse from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, or the racists from To Kill a Mockingbird?
Arthur radley killed bob ewell before he could get his revenge by killing atticus finch's children, so. . .
Everyone knows they won.
You sound like a robot that's being controlled by /pol/
Daniel Wintle You sound like a feminist that being controlled by Anita Sarkeesian, oh wait you are.
Shmerby Films Except I've said nothing relating to feminism or Anita, and I don't support either of them.
Of course that's probably the only response you were programmed with.
Meh, I'd say Agent Smith won in The Matrix trilogy. He brought the entire system to its knees and both Neo and Trinity die.
Loki Owl agent Smith wanted to be free, he got free but then he died so actually he lost
HhEheheheHEHEheHEHE
gO to tRuThCOnteStCOm, ReaD The pREsENT
Smith wanted to destroy all, he wanted chaos and he gets it.
No, he was inevitable game-breaking bug created by other bug, nothing more. He lost, as it was also inevitable. Really, if Smith wanted to free humans, he would succeed, but I guess it wasn't his greatest desir to do so. :-D
Agent Smith WAS the chosen one.
you got me with the "fightin' round the world" bit.. had me in stitches for some reason..
According to TV Tropes this list would be an example of "The Bad Guy Wins" and "Karma Houdini."
Falling Down is one of the best movies ever.
cowscrazy only problem I have with it is that even if I watch it in the middle of winter, I feel uncomfortably hot
it says all that?
best line of the movie "wait. im the bad guy?"
Exactly! The bad guy in Falling Down might be society, but the protagonist wasn't William Foster, it was Detective Prendergast, who at the end of the movie pushes back against his manipulative wife and asshole boss in a way that lets you know that he won at the end.
It was ok but it would've been better if someone's trousers had fallen down.
the point of Great Escape was that the German army overspent on them. It wasn't just for them to escape
Plus some of the allied prisoners actually made it to safety AND the asshole German commander put in charge of the camp was sent to the Eastern Front /to probably die/ and the previous more decent commander came back to run the camp.
I remember reading a factual account of the story way back when, before I even saw the movie. It may have been the original book the movie was based on, or maybe a later one, but it certainly was one of those stories that tends to leave a very long lasting impression on you.
In my memory, the main motivation for all of their escape attempts was that the prisoners simply considered it their military duty to try to do so, whenever, wherever, and however possible. There was no over-arching reason or motivation beyond that. The story itself was really all about the cleverness, the resourcefulness, the bravery, and the sacrifices that lay behind their attempts.
The movie had the downer ending it did simply because that's the way it ended in real life. 73 of the 76 men who made the attempt were re-captured, and 50 of those were subsequently executed. The big shame for me when I subsequently saw the film was in how heavily Hollywood had to alter and bowdlerize the story, turning the original tense and gritty tale of POWs risking their lives into a relatively clean and Amerocentric action-adventure that, outside of the broadest of brush-strokes, reflected little of the real people and events involved (e.g. the three who made it out in the movie bear almost no resemblance to their actual historical counterparts). In fact, the movie didn't even come close to depicting just how impressive it was for them to manage such a feat in real life.
Also, if you just move the story along a few years, the German personnel involved were tried for war crimes (those who had survived). Not really a win.
what about my post lol
I think that's something Adam missed, especially given that one of the earliest scenes of the movie is Group Captain Ramsay telling the Commandant that it is the sworn duty of every man to try to escape and even if he can't he is to be as much of a nuisance to the enemy as is possible.
The point is that even though their contribution may be too small to really notice in the grand scheme of the war, if that camp needs ten extra guards those are ten German soldiers who can't be deployed to Russia, Normandy or the North African/ Mediterranean theatres.
the clockwork orange theory isn't necessarily true. you see, I've been told that apparently the original book was published all over the world with an extra last chapter, which was missing from the edition that would've been read by the film makers.
this last chapter follows what happened after the suicide attempt, where Alex has gone back to his old ways but tonight, instead of going out and wreaking havoc, he has a quiet night inside and thinks about his life. it's here that the idea of personal change occurs to him and he thinks of getting married and even having children, realising that it is better to create rather than destroy.
this final chapter puts the theme of the book into words: that people cannot and should not be brainwashed into being what they're not; they will have to realise their mistakes and change for themselves.
as the filmmakers may not have read this last chapter, the film focuses on a corrupt and inadequate government that can't do anything rather than someone who has to grow for themselves, hence the ending of the film.
or at least I think that's true :/
The commentary in these videos is what keeps me coming back
And you also forgot the joker in The Dark Knight. He did got Batman traumatized enough to retire for 8 years
gre huy He said that at the beginning.
which makes absolutely NO SENSE because at the end of TDK says he wants to be a symbol, "a dark knight"... and in the next movie we learn he just retired. WTF? You could say Batman in TDKR was a shit batman for wankers #shitbatmanforwankers.
he didn't really retire because he wanted to, he had to due to everybody thinking Batman was the one who killed the detective and Harvey Dent, so everybody can still look at Harvey as a hero.
Batman also had no knees at the start of the dark knight rises
That is a case where the bad guy obviously won, the Joker, almost always does in some way....there is a separate video for when bad guys win outright/more outstandingly. This is for the less obvious ones.
Satan/John Milton from "The Devil's Advocate." His son Kevin shoots and kills himself, ruining his plans to have his grandchild take over the world? Milton pushes a reset button and makes the entire movie seem like Kevin imagined the whole thing. Kevin decides to throw his pedophile case, resulting in him possibly being disbarred for refusing to represent a client. A reporter who Kevin had been dodging the first 15 minutes of the movie offers to write a story that would make him a town hero, and Kevin agrees to be interviewed the next day. The reporter turns out to be Milton, who is once again playing into Kevin's vanity. It's a bit ambiguous how Plan B will work out, but it's inevitable that Kevin's vanity will make him abandon his wife and eventually sire the anti Christ, which is what Milton wanted all along.
I agree but it's also pretty clear that Milton wins.
how can you not include verbal kint from The Usual Suspects
Because everyone knows he won.
Did he, though? The movie tells us that he wanted the accountant dead because that guy could identify him. At the end of the movie, the police know of Soze's existence and have a sketch of him. Which means he lost.
Of course, the entire movie is told by an unreliable narrator, so the reason why the guy had to die is probably bunk, but who can say sure?
The Hans Landa one. When they said that was his "punishment" I couldn't stop laughing - I immediately thought "well, so what he's got a swastika on his forhead, that's an easy surgical fix or at the very least he just wears hats."
I love that Hans Landa won and got away.
What about Batman? Joker's main goal was to prove even the most corruptible man is able to turn bad and kill, and he managed to prove that
That was in the other video he referenced at the start.
Un-corruptable*
That only came out in The Dark Knight Rises, though. In The Dark Knight, Batman took the blame for Dent's wrongs, thus defeating the Joker. As the movie concluded, the Joker was defeated. Then in The Dark Knight Rises he was retroactively un-defeated, but that doesn't change that his status was "defeated" by the end of The Dark Knight. Also, The Dark Knight Rises would've probably gone differently if Heath Ledger hadn't died, giving the Joker a new chance at victory or defeat - so what happens in The Dark Knight Rises can't fairly be said to influence the ending of The Dark Knight.
I just wrote a comment on this. It may be true that the reveal wasn't until the end, but he still proved it to Gordon and Batman which is the man he wanted to show most of all. Also he made Batman break his 1 rule as he said he would do. Batman killed Harvey, thus making him break his 1 rule. Joker won in an absolute amazing way.
jokers goal was to have his face on the one dollar bill you dingus. he flat out says that in the movie.
I loved Falling Down, but wow, you totally missed the whole point of that movie.
Hank Murphy Douglas's character even says at the end 'I'm the bad guy? When did that happen?' But acknowledges it. Yet so many people ignore it and think he's the hero.
it only shows how grey the notions of bad and good are, and how the society is full of shit when it comes to it.
Mushy Pork
It's dealing with this sort of common event through the perspective of killer, whilst feeding you the backstory and motivation as it unfolds
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9579295/Father-killed-his-two-children-and-then-himself-after-family-split.html
I'm impressed how fast you talk and get to say it all perfectly before the next part begins. I think I could never made it so well no matter how many times i tried. Very good work! You got a new subscriber :-)
Hey you forgot the Joker! he also won back then when he broke Harvey Dent, Gotham's White Knight " And brought it down to our level. " quoted straightly from the movie!
Silva didn't kill M. She was hit by a stray bullet by a random henchmen and bled out. He was about to end it by shooting both M and himself with the same bullet, but that's when bond stopped him. She still died afterword, (may have shed a little tear) but Silva wasn't the one to kill/finish her off himself. It's a small technicality I know, but it shouldn't count because he died first before really getting to see the revenge that he wanted. I mean she could have survived for all he knows.
Yeah but she didn't, she died so he won, killed by someone who worked for him.
And the final outcome is exactly what Silva wanted, he and M both died
Yup, everything worked out exactly as he wanted - and he had made it clear he was willing to die to kill her (at one point he holds a gun to both his head and hers).
me classic your comment is worse than grammar nazi's
Freddy Kruger ultimately won (though it occurred mid way through the ANOES series) He achieved his original goal of eliminating the kids of the ppl who murdered him.
I died laughing during the Bond one when he said "and you know what? that's fair enough".
You forget that SNL remedied the ending to "It's a Wonderful Life."
Adam did you just make a south park fighting round the world joke. good on you
I dont think you get what falling down was about. He blamed society, his wife, traffic, market forces, gangs for all of his problems without taking any personal responsibility. He even realized at the end that HE was the bad guy. You get hints in the movie that while he's not the most awful human being ever he's far from Mr. Nice Guy, in one moment he is watching a home video where he starts yelling at his daughter for not playing with a birthday present, suggesting he at least has a hot temper and is possibly emotionally abusive. He's affected by forces beyond his immediate control, yes, but he's ultimately the one responsible for his actions. He made the choice to leave his car in traffic, to trash the Korean guys store, to beat up the gangsters and take their weapons, to force a visit on his terrified wife, to commit crimes, and ultimately suicide by cop.
Not that society doesn't have problems, it really really does, but in this case the blame falls primarily on the protagonist's shoulders and he's blaming society to absolve himself of his past and present actions.
The dark knight. The jokers main goal was making batman go against his rules. He turned Harvey evil so that one day batman has to take him down. In the film, Batman does take him down, but has to take the blame for all the murders Harvey had committed. In a way, the joker did finally win.
Adam had me laughing my arse off for the better part of 7 minutes. Good stuff bruv!
The French dude in the French connection. Also Anton chigur from No Country
if you think chigurh won you don't understand the movie
He certainly didn't lose. At worst it was a wash for him, but far worse for everyone else.
Chaos won
Roses are red
Violets are blue
I came here for Adam
And so did you.
Roses have thorns,
Touch them and bleed,
The fuck is Adam?
Take a pass on that weed.
seigeengine Roses are red
Violets are blue
Adam rules
The fuck are you?
James Millington Roses are red
Violets are blue
I thought Palpatine was ugly
But then I saw you
bacon
Roses are grey.
Violets are a different shade of grey.
Let's go chase cars!
-Bo Burnham's Dog
How about the Matrix? Wasn't the whole point of the prophesy that Neo would free all the humans from control of the robots? Not do the Matrix a favor by killing a virus in it's system and allow it to continue enslaving all of humanity... but hey! Agent Smith is dead right? Too bad he's not the real bad guy
Neo made a deal with the machines: if he gets rid of Smith, they allow the humans inside to make a choice and stop trying to kill the ones that escaped.
At least, that's IIRC.
you forgot Arlington road. I'm still pissed off about that ending
I think it was great
yea you missed Zemo from Civil War.
These are list of villain that you're not supposed to know won.
Zemo winning in Civil War was obvious
you're obvious. this list was supposed to be not obvious. you're in the wrong place.
Justin McNeil Now i'm confused. You suddenly say something that support my comment and then say i'm in the wrong place? Yeah the list is suppose to be not obvious. Zemo winning in Civil War is obvious. So obviously it's not on the list.
+Xourle
obviously
// S O F T S O U N D // Yep obviously. I just noticed I said that way too much lol XD
An Obvious one you missed was *John Doe* from the movie *Seven*!
Greg K we realised that He won
TROLZOR Yet there was No mention of it in this!
Stupid Troll!
Greg K, this is the top ten where you DIDN'T realize the bad guy actually won.
Greg K But everyone realised that John Doe won. That's the point. This video is about villains that you DIDN'T realise won.
Will Scott, he's a troll lol.
I think everyone realised that Raoul Silva won in Skyfall. That's one of the main things that makes it one of the best Bond films of all time...
01: Raoul Silva - Skyfall - 6:12
02: Mr. Potter - It's A Wonderful Life - 5:27
03: Tyler Durden - Fight Club - 4:40
04: Alex Delarge - A Clockwork Orange - 3:58
05: Hans Landa - Inglorious Bastards - 3:23
06: Society - Falling Down - 2:48
07: The Nazis - The Great Escape - 2:12
08: Fashion Industry - Zoolander - 1:40
09: Mr. Glass - Unbreakable - 1:05
10: Donika - Man of Tai Chi - 0:32
Are we not suppose to talk about the fight club?
Cobax
I don't know, I got there late and missed the intro. Maybe I shouldn't have made all of them social media posts about it?
That’s the first and second rule...
for the win!
Nero, from the movie, Star Trek, won by destroying Vulcan.
Top 5 villains no order
Joker - the dark knight
Silva - skyfall
Severus snape - harry potter series (sorry I'm a nerd)
Loki - the Avengers
Captain barbossa - POTC curse of the black pearl
The giant butt advertising Sir MixaLot's "Baby got back" at 3:05 tho 😂
The Creeper in the 1st Jeepers Creepers
Ran Wolf he obviously won. Nobody thinks the girl won. She tried to convince him to take her but he said hell no and took the brother. The last scene is him stitching the body. Obvious win
The movies entire premise is HORROR STORY..its LITERALLY a horror story, the way Cabin in the Woods acted as homage to what?..Horror stories are about victims, not heroes.
Monsters being killed by Champions are Epics or Sagas.
The creeper being attracted to fear would not pick her, because sacrificing yourself for another would be brave, lacking fear.
lol finally someone points out that Silva wins in Skyfall - not only that, but Bond fails at literally everything in that movie too
I'm pretty sure Silva also wanted to survive, though. I'm not sure killing M was more important for him than surviving. He wanted to have revenge and then live with that. He got his revenge, but he sure didn't like dying. I'd call that a loss.
Arguably he didn't win though. He saw that M had been shot and that's it. He had no idea how long ago she was shot, how long she had been bleeding, where the bullet went, etc. Therefore unless he could derive the fact that she was mortally wounded from seeing her he didn't win. All that happened was that he died before M died. He had no way of knowing whether or not he succeeded in killing M so for that reason he didn't win because to him he hasn't completed his mission of killing M.
Sure you could say that James Bond didn't win because M died, but Silva certainly didn't in my opinion. His last thought could have just as well have been of Bond finding medical supplies and saving M. He didn't get closure at all.
Star Wars: The Phantom Menace. The droid army is shut down, the Trade Federation is defeated, the blockade is ended - and Darth Sidious is elected Supreme Chancellor of the Republic.
JOKER . You forgot "Joker" from Dark Knight - If you compare Dark Knight Rises to Dark Knight - The Joker ultimatley won the War over the Soul of Gotham.!
Just as an interesting tidbit. In the book, A Clockwork Orange, the main character does go back to his evil ways for a time but eventually comes to his own conclusion that that is no way to live life and becomes normalized in society. I believe he might have even had a family but i don't remember. Stanley Kubrick decided to end the movie where he did because American audiences did not like an ending where Alex becomes good.
The original American edition of the novel did not have that ending and that's the version Kubrick read when adapting it for cinema.
I commented before i saw this., Anyway, it wasn't Kubrick's fault. The US version of the book is missing a chapter.
I don't even think Alex is a villain, He is not a good guy, sure, but "villain" sounds like anthagonist, sounds like there need to be a good guy to be his opposite... and that's not what A Clockwork Orange is about. It's about society, it's about how to fight the criminals, it's about humanity....
Yeah he is really more like your archetypal Anti-Hero
Klara in Jagten (The Hunt). She ruined a man's life and got away with it.
Brilliant film
Gone Girl
That happens in real life though.
DarkByke Twitch no shit, most real life films are based on something that happens or could happen
She was only six! Anyhow, she 'fessed up early in the proceedings only for the witch hunt crazed adults to ignore her confession in order to pursue their own twisted agenda. Totally stupendous movie and performances from Mads Mikkelsen and Klara herself.
Villains allowed to come back and be the "heroes" :
Jackie Gleason in Smokey & the Bandit, Mike Meyers as Dr Evil in Goldmember, John DeLancie as Q in NextGen, Grace Jones as May Day in View to a Kill, Steve Carell as Gru in Despicable Me, Arnold as the Terminator, Carl Weathers as Apollo Creed...
3:10 - Make a video about the Villain actually winning - include a clip where the Villain loses.
Loki in Thor : The Dark World.
Remember? Loki was in a jail he couldn't escape from. For some reason, Dark Elves are able to come in, attack Asgard which is supposedly guarded an entity (Heimdall) that can see all. Remember who's the "only" one who can evade Heimdall sight? Yeah! That's Loki! Then how did the Dark Elves moved so close to Asgard could have something to do with Loki giving them information.
You remember how many prisoners were already near Loki and how easy it was for the Dark Elves to bring their "buffed" warrior in? It shows it was not their first "infiltration".
It wouldn't be far to think that Loki "invited" the Dark Elves into Asgard for :
1) Act as a persuasion of letting him out of prison.
2) Kill his mother (which even if he hold dear is a source of inner conflict for him to have a clear mind)
3) Bringing a common enemy that can overthrown ruling "party" which is Thor and Odin.
Remember how Loki knew exactly how to find the Dark Elves? Strange considering how they were in "slumber" for so long, right?
And, by the end, Loki still took over the throne by pretending his death and taking the appearance of Odin. Even through we're still unsure when and how Thor noticed the disappearance of his father as displayed in the end of Doctor Strange (one of the latest Marvel Movies).
Even in the "worse" scenario involving Loki, the worse he gets is imprisonment while ALL other enemies who does as much as he does ends up dead or banished in the worse part (which ultimately is the same as death)... and most of the time he achieve most or some of his objectives. He never had a big "fail" on any of his goals.
Yeah but they made a big point of showing the fact that he got what he wanted. This is a list of movie endings where it doesn't really seem like they won
If you didn't notice that the bad guy won in Clockwork Orange, you weren't paying attention.
ah, but was he really the 'bad' guy?
First Last
I guess as far as being a villain, no.. but he wasn't good.
The emperor in revenge of the sith lol
Alex was a bad guy, but he wasn't the villain.
Both bad guys: Alex and the Government
Keyser Soze. Never see him do any of the things attributed to him, and it's possible he may not even exist in the movie's reality, but he spends the entire movie playing an invalid and staggers out of the police station and proceeds to get in a car that takes him away just as the police receive by fax a sketch of him. Nobody affiliated with the police sees which car he gets in or what direction it goes, so he got away. He's basically off the hook for the crime Kint, who may be Soze, was interrogated about.
😂😂😂 the rant about Uncle Billy
To see what really happens to Mr Potter, you need to see the alternate ending to "It's a Wonderful Life" from SNL.
Number 1: Donald trump
not until December
Lachlan Reid lol
purple knight official no, January
Come on now, give the guy a chance to actually DO something first.
Lachlan Reid acktooally
I'm dying at the Mr. Potter part lmfao
This video was actually really insightful. Bravo.
No one even escapes in The Great Escape. It's the most oxymoronic title ever
James Coburn did.
Like, a dozen out of over 70 do get away safely.
Also, "Cooler, Ives."
Chris Taggart That one guy got away. Remember? He cracked a bycicle lock and rode off.
Chris Taggart Dont you fucking talk so fast. Seriously. Take a breath between words. Its annoying as fuck.
obiwanfisher537 You can't hear how fast he is talking on a RUclips comment
Zemo from Civil War.
Micheal93k Kinda. He actually wanted them to kill each other and non of them died but were very very close to doing so.
I think it is pretty obvious he won. Tony and Steve hate each other, half of the Avengers are fugitives.
Quavion Deering what he wanted was the avengers to turn on each other and break up. Which is what happened in a nutshell, so he kinda did win.
Micheal93k so how did he win if he didn't complete his goal of them killing each other and their all going to move on within the next 2 movies
Yeah but that's like hoping your favorite team wins the playoffs and they win then you start saying shit like: "This was all according to plan"
More than Silva Nemo's plan relied on things he couldn't have possibly planned. If it weren't for Sokovia Accords nothing he did would matter. Two of the Avengers weren't even there and ultimately Tony and Steve ended on 'okay' terms.
Khan Noonien Singh deserves his spot. The real one, not the new one. The blow he strikes to Kirk isn't mortal, but it is deep and arguably the most important moment in the franchises pop-culture history.
a clock work Orange film was done using the American release of the book which was missing a chapter from the original European release of the novel.
The problem with clockwork is Kubrick read the USA version which was missing the intended final chapter where Alex eventually grows tired of his ways and reforms.
How does Adam keep talking without running out of breath 👀 Is it edited out ?
RUclips is just a hobby. I hear his actual job is working as an auctioneer.
It's because he has a mouth the size of a regular person's head
From that day on, if I was talking somewhere.. I was taaalkin
Holy shit, just realized that!
That's the best part of "It's A Wonderful Life". It's not about winning... it's about living and loving real life.
great job Adam ! very informative and entertaining video.