Let's Discuss Uniform Requirements For Airsoft
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Today on Gun Gamers, E House discusses the practice of uniform requirements for airsoft and MilSim gaming.
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Advice: Complement what you say with some pictures. Sometimes and specially for new players it will be easier to understand.
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Yep.
I personally disagree if the parameters of the game have been set prior there shouldn’t be exceptions made, especially if everyone is there for an immersive experience like a MSW then people should be adhering to the rule set, for god sake rule number one at MSW is read the tacsop which includes what you should bring and wear.
This^ If its a game that requires any sort of pre-registration, and the organizer wants uniform requirements, people should abide by them.
@@surgetsann read the tacsop
@@surgetsann not the intent of the events, if you only want live reps then go to a shooting course or dedicated training event. Not to a airsoft match with roleplay elements.
What’s up EpicGamers it’s Gun House and this is E-Gamers
The next MSW event which is going to be in Mexico, started with very strict uniform requierements but eventually they confront the reality of most airsoft players in Mexico; virtually nobody run impression kits even though many milsim events have been done in the past none of them really demand an accurate impression kit, so at this point MSW is loosening the rules a bit in order to get more quorum.
But you're right there's very few people who actually be willing to spend in say 40hrs loadout and impression kit + travelling+ ticket.
Our field, Roundhouse Productions out at Fort Ord, we run a typical green vs tan set up for uniform requirements and have a "lite milsim" style of game play. We run our registration online so we can get an accurate count of attendees and balance the teams out for the event, that way we can avoid going to tape.
Good video. I like your take on the game master dictating the variables of the game. When you sign up as a player for events like these you should always expect to be at the mercy of those controlling the op. As a result, things like uniform ambiguity could simply be a part of the immersive experience. That's not to say all events should be that way, as some are more or less restrictive than others. They all still share the guy behind the curtain pulling the strings, and it is his and only his vision for the game that will dictate what may happen on the field.
Hello. In Ireland, our main mil-sim events company sometimes use head gear as a uniform requirement. It is an inexpensive and easy option. People then can wear whatever kit, camo etc they want ie Boonie/bandanas V Baseball caps/Helmets. I run small introductory mil-sim style games on my local site & find it works. I usually ask people attending to bring both sets of head gear people, they divide the factions as balanced (experience & no experience in mil-sim gaming) as I can. Might work for your know small local Ops rather than tape.
I know what you mean by catering to more casual players, but I feel the uniform requirements make the game more enjoyable for all and helps with immersion. If you're running small scale games I feel like its not necessary, but it adds to experience for sure.
Summer is my off season lol. Fall/spring is my airsoft seasons Here in NC summer is just to hot/muggy for me. 80-90+ degree with humidity sucks.
Great vid man. Like it when you go into details about these uniforms.
Huh... Green or Tan, I like that system. I wear CADPAT and I've always been confused if I would even be allowed to play in milsim. But I really hate the whole "Herp derp no you can't use a FAMAS, go get an M4 kid" like...seriously? This is a fucking game, I enlisted ages back and already been through that shit. Go fucking sign your papers if you want to feel like you're in the military and just let people have some fucking fun.
another great and interesting video! glad things have been well, hope to see you guys again soon!
We have done both. Arm bands and uniform requirements. I did Nam soft with Josh and Brian. Very fun to do impression!
For small feilds where most airsoft is played.
Colored Armbands are most feasible.
One feild I went to puts uses colored duct tape and puts it on the back of your helmet and back of your arms.
That way you are camo from the front but colored from behind.
For an event, close to a Milsim, i think green vs tan is the best option.
We are a special club, the only one in the city (South Argentina). Arround 40 players and when someone new starts, we leave him to wear what ever he wants (if you want to dress like a giant chicken go ahead, will be fun). After the 3 months of trail, he will know that needs a multicam uniform and green jpc vest. We allready have our provider so its very easy and cheap to get them.
At the same time we recommend to use m4 plataform.
When we travel to an event its very easy to solve a problem with a mag if your partner use the same for example. From does 40 players, almoust every time there are 18 players traveling. Sometimes more, sometimes a few less. (Money for travel is the only problem).
On the other hand we do have a second uniform, woodland. Was our first camo years ago, but now its a little bit hard to find it. so we jumped to multicam.
La idea del uniforme es, justamente, que quienes lo usan se vean iguales (o lo más parecidos posible), o que sigan una norma común. En nuestro país es poco común que se exija un código de vestimenta en los eventos, pero sin dudas que ayuda a darle una inmersión mayor a un juego. Más allá de los uniformes, el tema se ve poco creíble cuando hacés verde vs tan (como vos decías) y alguien de la "otan" va con una AK y alguien de los "rusos" aparece con una M4... Saludos!
@@AirsoftReviewArgentina cierto, pero incluso para Milsim West, lo que te define es la marcadora no el camo. Si usas plataforma m4, tenes que jugar como nato y lleva a que uses multicam. A menos que tu equipo complete la unidad de 9 elementos y te dejan usar otro camo. Siempre y cuando respetes el la marcadora a nato.
Aca aun no se aplica en detalle esto. Pero algun dia va a llegar un evento donde tu equipamiento define tu bando. En el club la mayoria tenia m4. Y un loadout ruso, convengamos que no es el mas facil y barato de conseguir
Hey ehouse! I was the guy who came up to you at teh end of saratov and said whatsup. I dont think ive ever had a problem at milsim west events with team ID's. Most of the people have a decent head on their shoulders and can figure it out, along with good comms and good camo rules it makes it quite easy. At my local field i was wearing multicam pants with an olive long sleeve combat shirt, as to be on the green team(multicam was never stated as being on either team, but they were the only combat pants I had at college sooooo.) and I was putting in alot of work destroying vehicles that never saw me and scoring objectives. people were complaining all day because they were loosing and blaming it on my pants. I think people need to have an understanding that often times figuring out which team is which is part of both war and the game
Just get a ski mask, gold $ necklace and an adidas sports jacket for the gangster look. Of course you need an uzi, ak, tec 9 or glock 18c tactical gear is too mainstream.
my local field makes it pretty easy when it comes to camo requirements and that's solid color (any color that is a solid color like a grey sweater for example or blue tap) and camo (and type of camo or yellow tape) and it keeps it pretty simple even when using props or objective based games.
Really cool discussion topic. Dress code helps you get a better immersion in the game but it's also a matter of loadout. I don't buy an "otan" player running with an AK or a "russian" with a gorka suit and shiny new M4... Respect from Argentina.
Gorka-4 with an Ak-74M looks very Russian. But if you wear any Russian kit with an M-4 you are dumb. In my opinion!
I am for sure all for running correct colors on Milsims. However, at a casual game I'll run something like a striped long sleeve with it rolled down just below my elbows for tacticoolness and some jeans.
I did the beta event for omega and it was pretty fun, but was on a smaller field than decilation so seeing people was more common and not as “wastelandy” but still a nice change of pace
As an ex solider I won't wear a camouflaged uniform or unit patches... my carrying equipment is Coyote Brown and the uniform is solid... that's a green, CB, black and grey uniform with CB rigs etc.
The open play field near me we do the tan and green teams. Sometimes we dont use tape if teams are balancedish but other then that we use pink and green tape.
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What types of uniforms, what color, and what camo patterns are the most common, especially in Milsim west?
multicam
It gets even weirder when they base team colors of your uniforms but you can wear any color webbing. We had team Tan at one fied I plyed at get confused because my squad wears M81 Woodland with Coyote Webbing (MARSOC Raider Inspired and we were Team Green because of the uniorm) and thus we were able to sneak up and take them out. My local ffield uses Armbands. Even i it's a rare uniform enforced day, they run arm bands because of the webbing/camo options out there. I run Desert Auscam as my team tan because my friends in australia lol
Hey SpeedQB tournaments we have no requirements besides midcaps...
doesn't make them better? I'm sorry, just venting on how much I hate competetive airsoft..
@@gen-zboomer i keep finding you in the comments of youtube videos.
Great video, with respect to usmc. Have their own MARPAT desert and woodland. Navy with woodland with black instead of brown for working uniforms. I definitely agree OCP or scorpion w2 is more tan than green and easily distinguishable when v a Russian or militant team.
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Nato is kinda too diverse in my opinion. Like take for example Romania. They run DPM/Woodland, AKs, and they are part of NATO IRL, so they should be on the NATO team, but who wouldnt shoot at a dude running in M81/DPM running an AK? I think it should be fixed more precisely. List of Camos with examples on NATO side, on RUSFOR side, and then people should learn that. Much easier to distinguish camos like that.
Is it wrong if i use woodland camo and I have a tan vest? I am willing to spend some few extra bucks on multiple uniforms but i am not thinking of spending money on multiple chest rigs. Any advice?
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At my local field (I’m on a airsoft team called trainwreck we usually wear CADPAT) i have started to build a british kit should i stop and adopt m81 which most of my friends use or build a british kit myself
requirements make sense for things like MSW because its designed around the immersion, but if thats not your thing you can always go to events like jet desert fox where the uniforms are a little different or more lax there is plenty of place for the non requirements or the lesser requirements. But I think for things that drive for immersion like MSW I understand why they have it. commenting while only having watched 2 mins of the video just FYI
from the kits i see in milsim west videos it looks like a fair chunk of the people are going to a 40hr pickup game
in my country there are no uniform requerements, but everybody does his best to at least look the part... when i see a lot of video's about the usa airsoft i see that a lot of people don't care, they just play with jeans, a hoodie, chestrig and a paintballmask.... in my country most people at least try wear some form of militairy outfit... I understand that for the massive Milsim west games they have clothing requirements, but we don't have that where i live... but comparing normal skirms in the usa to normal skirms in my country i think my country's players spend a lot more money to look the part... but then again you need to be at least 18 to play airsoft in my country... and in the usa i see a lot of little kids, and for those kids it's most likely the parents who pay for everything so they are less likely to buy full gear, while in my country everybody pays for it themselves so there is more of proud with everything you are wearing because it's bought with your blood sweat and tears... sometimes it is hard to see who's on wich team because everybody looks differant and you can only identify by an arm band... this made me make a lot of friendly kills :P
what about the uk's 85 pattern (falklands war camo)
Is ARO1 allowed at MilSim West?
I think you should definitely add pictures when you're referencing certain things. Not everybody knows what you're talking about. I'm still pretty new to airsoft.
what was the name of jets video, just interested to go have a look
Great vid missed you
Just remember, if you see a phat green man with an AK-74M, PKM, AS-VAL, it's a Russian Grunt
Also German military use multicam too so that is a big problem
can u link the jet video pls
for milsim games i don't really see a reason to complain about there being uniform restrictions as its a 'Military Simulation' and as such you should simulate the military. if you aren't trying to simulate a military faction at least loosely then why are you attending an event which is named after simulating the military? american militias might have people in jpc's and airframes but i doubt eastern militias would be as well equipped aside from maybe AZOV.
for local fields its kinda impossible to have uniform restrictions for open play, the field i play at just has red versus yellow tape. my field couldn't even do tan versus green if it tried because many people come here in plain clothes. even if everyone who did go that day was wearing a tan or green camo there is no telling if it would be 50/50, in which case you'd end up in an unfair match which would probably lead to some salt.
I hate how A-TACS FG is considered on the green team, but looks so Tan.
If I have acu bottoms and mix it with a top either woodland or 3 color desert do you think that would work
So what will slocam come under? (NATO country pattern)
oof will you still be making videos even though airsoft season is done?
The Bombastic Badazz If anything the videos will be more consistent! I travel a lot during airsoft season, and spend whole weekends at a time doing nothing but playing airsoft, running games, or traveling to and from games. Winter is drinking season, and that’s when the team spends a lot of relaxing time together and has our most ridiculous video ideas LOL.
rad. also what the heck is up with the comment above yours? lol
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Imagine Cold War Series.
Can you do alternate uniforms, for example if it’s a Vietnam game I’d dress up as a storm trooper but using Vietnam gear and cammo as well as weapons?
Or does it have to be approved by the host
Wow...I had no idea that so much thought and effort went into preparing ones uniform for milsim airsoft. Kind of intimidating to the newer players (Like me) who have never played at a milsim event but are thinking about getting into it. Kind of makes me reconsider even trying it.
Honestly he went way deeper into then most people do. Honestly unless its milsim west it's just "have these tan camos or have these green camos for iff besides that use whatever u have." or even more simple is desert fox which is literally "Wear Red Black Green or Blue Gray Tan but it can be whatever u want in those setups." Like at the first Cali DFE game I was rocking Snow Camo with gray gear in a desert AO
iff is indentification of Friendly and Foe
There are different levels of milsim from essentially free play days with a theme to more difficult levels of play. Hes talking about milsim west which is run to specifically be hardcore and for impression purposes with set rules for those games and are very structured. Which is then the complaint when people show up attempting to not follow said rules. Feel free to check out any milsim light type of game. Not nearly as intimidating as it seems.
@@Spearo35 I'm thinking I probably will have to do something more along the lines of Desert Fox Milsim events. I have no problem following the rules but I don't want to drop $1000+ on gear and a uniform get there and get ridiculed for not complying with uniform requirements.
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I'll stick to basic tan v green milsim games. Or even better speedsoft. No camouflage bdu requirements. Airsoft is airsoft to me lol. I like to keep it simple
I want to do these big milsim events, but Green vs Tan is just sensible. It's stupid, I enlisted ages back to do that, I'm not fucking signing papers and such for airsoft games, I don't want to have to go buy some M4 or AK, I am perfectly happy with my FAMAS and USP lol.
@@ErgonomicChair I fully agree man. That in my opinion is taking airsoft way to far and way way way to seriously. It's a fun sport. Nothing more. Just like paintball but without the mess. With your reason its pretty much why I favor speedsoft over milsim most of the time.
personally the problem I see is the entire world is starting to move over to high speed stuff and to me if I'm on the Russian side I don't want to have to use crappy slow stuff that I've seen in a couple pictures once. I'm not from Russia obviously. but here's the other thing I've seen people from Russia who are wearing multicam and jpcs and helmets so that doesn't seem to matter either
I get that for the normal rusfor units but you can use similar kit to the fsb guys now just in a diffrent camo pattern such as surpat. however for militia it's totally diffrent a militia is supposed to look like a militia with older gear and such
I agree looking at modern ones some are like that but we've organised events before with US Taliban and pmcs and had lads show up for Taliban looking like pmcs because they wouldn't ditch the high speed stuff or had other militia factions where guys showed in full aor2 and a pakol hat. I'm not saying you can't use some high speed gear like I've seen a lot of Gucci belts and crye g3s on militia kits and it works but there should be an essence of the type of faction your playing and there is a problem with lads trying to get away with looking as close to American high speed gear as they can rather than playing the faction you actually are. (btw I'm Irish so I can only talk about my experiences in Irish milsims(
@@Bighoth98 hahaha yeah that makes sense I guess I catch your point unfortunately I can't speak for any milsims yet haven't been able to go yet maybe soon
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I wanna see a team fortress event where teams have to wear blue and red, that’s be cool
Best Milsim West experience I had was when my team showed up as a CADPAT team. Russians had a hard time :P
That stuff is crazy!
Unfortunately (at least here in Europe) it is relatively hard to get and the knockoffs aren't quite the same.
I'd say, from my experience, not having seen all camos, the best for European forests are:
1 Cadpat or greenzone
2 Flecktarn
3 danish flecktarn
Danish and greenzone are better in lighter forests, Cadpat and Flecktarn more in darker forests.
@@jackoneilsg1 Canadians actually shred their used CADPAT uniforms. The government believes that the IR resistance that the authentic CADPAT has will "fall into the wrong hands" even though anyone in the world including the USA can purchase IR resistant US uniforms whether brand new or even used. Canadian government probably just shreds them because they love wasting money
@@finkamain1621 I mean, it makes atleast somewhat sense. When cadpat was introduced in the 90ies, it truly was groundbreaking, both the pattern and the materials.
Even now, some companies sell their new IR products only to military and law enforcement. UFpro for example. It's a shame for us airsofters, but I understand the reasoning behind it.
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A fast helmet on militia, used along multicam is definitely not matching any militia loadout anyone would accept.
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