Truly a dream team-up for me! Seriously, I made a big bowl of popcorn before watching and it was the best entertainment over the holiday weekend! I smiled the whole time!!! And the topic is timely as I'm really enjoying deckbuilders. Do you have any deckbuilding video games that you enjoy?
Mike and Liz! Definitely my favorite solo content creators! Loved seeing you guys together and hear combined thoughts! I really need to get Warp’s Edge!!!!
Woohoo! A game from the Netherlands and a very small publisher like Broken Mill Games on the list is quite some acclompishment. I've had the honor of playing and discussing Heroes of Tenefyr together with the designer, Pepijn van Loon (pronounce van Loon as something like 'vun Loan') in Den Bosch (Netherlands) when it was still a prototype. After playing the game and during discussing it, I immediately suggested designing an expansion for the game, because I thought the game was interesting, but would need an expansion to give it enough variety to keep it interesting. I said that the game is replayable, but also that deckbuilders are often expected to show enough differences between games. It wouldn't have taken a long time before players would have seen all monsters in the game. Most deckbuilders' base games have double the amount of cards compared to the base game of Heroes of Tenefyr. I guess he agreed with me from the start. It's a good game. I have bought it, along with the expansion and the playmat from him at the Game Spectacle (the largest Dutch game convention) in Utrecht (Netherlands) a month ago. However, I just can't get the hang of winning it in solo mode; I have yet to win after about 10 solo plays. Allthough I enjoy the game, it still feels I really depend much more on luck than on strategy to win the game, at least in solo mode. I don't mind luck in the game, but it's pretty dominant. If I'm not successful in clearing the first 2 levels of Dungeons back to back, I feel that my chances of winning are practically gone, and in that regard I have the experience that the game is running on a kind of automatic pilot, at least in solo mode. Clearing the 4 easiest Dungeons first actually was a suggestion Pepijn made on BGG himself. Of course it could be that I'm missing the finer details of the strategy. Still like the game.
Great content and collaboration! Recently bought the base game of Aeon's End and played through the tutorial setup. Great game, cant wait to table it more!
Deckbuilders was the foundation of my collection. Clank, Great Western Trail and Ascension along with recent ones like Lost Ruins of Arnak and Dune Imperium which are worker placement hybrids. Got eyes out for The Hunger which has vampire themes with a Clank style possibly.
Great video. I was surprised that Venom Assault was not on the list. One of my top 5 for sure. Love it… plays differently than any other deck builder that I have.
Venom Assault is my favorite deck builder as well but make sure you get the expansion, Villains and Valor, also. The changes (the biggest being a Legendary style "coordinate" keyword and the ability to clear the market if you don't want anything) really made the game for me. Base game only was around a 7ish rating but with the expansion I rate it a 9.
Hahaha loved Time Crisis and Virtua Cop when I was a teenager!! 😆 Don't know how a light gun game would go in the analogue world but it'd be interesting to see people have a crack at designing one 👍
You two are a great pairing for this topic! I have Heroes of Tenyfyr because of Mike's videos, and I love this game solo. I personally play it two handed (and with the rule in the game for two players where each hero is like "two" heroes combined). It's still a very simple game to play that way, and it has all of the great interactions between the two heroes as Mike mentioned that occur with co-op play. Oh, and as a side note, I'm a teacher, too. :-)
@@BeyondSolitaire I love Apex Therapod as well. To keep it more interesting, I added a basic rule to create a mini campaign, where I get one experience point per damage on the boss and then an extra XP for defeating the boss. I start on the easy level then gradually step up each level. The XP points are used to upgrade the starting deck by purchasing replacements for the starting-deck dinosaurs. In this way, I'm eventually able to tackle the hardest level.
All those games are great. I’ve played/own most but the one that stands out the most is Baseball Highlights. I want to play that game. I owned Time Crisis 2 on the PS2. It came with the Gunco (I believe that was the name) and it really did a great job giving you the arcade feel.
Great lists. Awesome to see some commonality between you two. Shards, Imperium, Warp's Edge, Arnak.... All excellent games. Would be tough for me to put them in a 1-5 order.
Nice lists. Can't agree more with liz about "don't we have enough for some game ?" and the complishonished players. I love Aeon's end, but i make a choice not getting everything so i chose not buying war eternal, legacy 1, and Legacy of gravehold. Coz i have plenty enough for a lifetime with the others 3 boxes And with Astro knights coming, i'm happy i did, coz this little brother is going to replace his old brother i think !
I had to groan at Baseball Highlights as Liz might have guessed. Just too random and just doesn't seem like there is much in the way of decisions. Looking forward to Imperium. LOVE Aeons end both solo and Multiplayer. I am deeply deeply deeply disappointed that Shadowrun:Crossfire wasn't in your lists, let alone #1. The more I have to think, the more I love a game, so Shadowrun is easily my favorite.
Yeah, I feel similar to Liz. Aeon's End is my #1 pure deck builder and although I have everything for 1st edition plus War Eternal, I don't feel like I'm missing anything. And whilst I hear Mike's praise for the later modes, I'm at the stage where I don't know if it's worth the extra space it'll take up.
Shane, if you get them and mix them, make sure to have a good storage solution that works for you. Otherwise, I think the two boxes offer enough content.
I played it once and found it quite slow and rather boring with 4 players. Maybe it's better with fewer but I also wasn't interested in the solo mode shown for the recent KS.
Apex is a great choice and it's been permanently at my table for a year, so when are you going to review it or film a playthrough? (You might have done a print review I'm not sure) In fact, a lot of the well known reviewers have ignored or shunned it, perhaps the Kickstarter issues left a bad taste in their mouth or they couldn't get a copy. But it's pretty widely available now and it's disappointing not to see it more considering it is excellent solo and has a very well written rulebook. Aeon's End is a good choice and not unexpected, I don't know anyone in the solo world playing the baseball game though and I was floored it made both your lists. Ditto with Imperium, albeit less surprised, as it's widely played and discussed.
Originally the name “deck building” refers to cards. Bag building is based on the same principle but it used tokens instead of cards. I prefer to keep the term deckbuilding to card games.
Yay at least mage knight is out of this list its not a deck building game at all, hate when it always mentioned as a deck building when it is not at all My top five doesn't include any of your suggestions 🤷 5. Don't have it yet, it's a tie for now between the rest of my games which are pixel glory, Blight chronicles agent decker, God of War,ausonia , and Dunguen brawler 4. Feudalia - my only deck building about vp, it is a race for 10 points most of the time which I couldn't care less, the campaign is so cool with more cards and different strategies due to them, I wish dominion could have this kind of experience and campign. Really wanted to hate this game since I hate vp based games but this one I can slip... 3. Super hot the card game - rahdo played it and I said wow! Only agent decker uses the same mechanism but wow of a game, so shamed it is not that popular this and my number one pick... 2. Hero realms - without the cool campaign and the feeling of developing the character as long in the journey it would be suck 1. After the virus - only Liz convinced me to buy it and I love it As for warps edge I think it's a little cheet but I'll alow it haha, I also own it and need to try it soon
Three games into Superhot, I find the game is just way too long. If you’re relatively cautions, it lasts an hour and a half, and is really easy to beat. Definitely a “play in front of the telly” game for me. I do love it’s unique mechanisms though. I wish they’d developed it a bit more and found a way to increase the urgency/peril.
The expansion is excellent. More bosses, more ships, more skills, and more enemies. I wouldn’t call it 100% necessary, but certainly strongly recommended!
Truly a dream team-up for me! Seriously, I made a big bowl of popcorn before watching and it was the best entertainment over the holiday weekend! I smiled the whole time!!! And the topic is timely as I'm really enjoying deckbuilders. Do you have any deckbuilding video games that you enjoy?
I have played some Slay the Spire, which seems really good but I have not put enough time into it!
Mike and Liz! Definitely my favorite solo content creators! Loved seeing you guys together and hear combined thoughts! I really need to get Warp’s Edge!!!!
5 Warp’s Edge
4 Friday
3 Legendary Encounters: Alien
2 After the Virus
1 Aeon’s End
Yay! Two of my favorite RUclipsrs talking about one of my favorite genres! You both rule! Thanks for all of the great videos :)
Great lists, friends!
What a lovely duo, fun conversation.
Woohoo! A game from the Netherlands and a very small publisher like Broken Mill Games on the list is quite some acclompishment. I've had the honor of playing and discussing Heroes of Tenefyr together with the designer, Pepijn van Loon (pronounce van Loon as something like 'vun Loan') in Den Bosch (Netherlands) when it was still a prototype. After playing the game and during discussing it, I immediately suggested designing an expansion for the game, because I thought the game was interesting, but would need an expansion to give it enough variety to keep it interesting. I said that the game is replayable, but also that deckbuilders are often expected to show enough differences between games. It wouldn't have taken a long time before players would have seen all monsters in the game. Most deckbuilders' base games have double the amount of cards compared to the base game of Heroes of Tenefyr. I guess he agreed with me from the start.
It's a good game. I have bought it, along with the expansion and the playmat from him at the Game Spectacle (the largest Dutch game convention) in Utrecht (Netherlands) a month ago. However, I just can't get the hang of winning it in solo mode; I have yet to win after about 10 solo plays. Allthough I enjoy the game, it still feels I really depend much more on luck than on strategy to win the game, at least in solo mode. I don't mind luck in the game, but it's pretty dominant. If I'm not successful in clearing the first 2 levels of Dungeons back to back, I feel that my chances of winning are practically gone, and in that regard I have the experience that the game is running on a kind of automatic pilot, at least in solo mode. Clearing the 4 easiest Dungeons first actually was a suggestion Pepijn made on BGG himself. Of course it could be that I'm missing the finer details of the strategy. Still like the game.
Great discussion about a wonderful mechanic. This is just in time to update my Christmas list!
Great content and collaboration! Recently bought the base game of Aeon's End and played through the tutorial setup. Great game, cant wait to table it more!
Perfect list of what I was looking for, thanks.
Two of my favorite content creators discussing my favorite game mechanic. Any early Christmas present :)
I waffled so long on Allen legendary encounters, and now that I can't find it, I'm kind of regretting it, lol. Damn you, FOMO!
Great lists! Always neat to see how a multiplayer list changes when you go solo only.
Deckbuilders was the foundation of my collection. Clank, Great Western Trail and Ascension along with recent ones like Lost Ruins of Arnak and Dune Imperium which are worker placement hybrids. Got eyes out for The Hunger which has vampire themes with a Clank style possibly.
The Hunger sounds promising! That's going on my watchlist now, too.
Loved it!! Thanks for this :)
Awesome video!
Great video. I was surprised that Venom Assault was not on the list. One of my top 5 for sure. Love it… plays differently than any other deck builder that I have.
I will have to try it!
Venom Assault is my favorite deck builder as well but make sure you get the expansion, Villains and Valor, also. The changes (the biggest being a Legendary style "coordinate" keyword and the ability to clear the market if you don't want anything) really made the game for me. Base game only was around a 7ish rating but with the expansion I rate it a 9.
@@PickleTheHutt agreed. The expansion deco type made some key differences.
Hahaha loved Time Crisis and Virtua Cop when I was a teenager!! 😆
Don't know how a light gun game would go in the analogue world but it'd be interesting to see people have a crack at designing one 👍
Haha, it would be GREAT. Let’s make it happen.
You two are a great pairing for this topic! I have Heroes of Tenyfyr because of Mike's videos, and I love this game solo. I personally play it two handed (and with the rule in the game for two players where each hero is like "two" heroes combined). It's still a very simple game to play that way, and it has all of the great interactions between the two heroes as Mike mentioned that occur with co-op play.
Oh, and as a side note, I'm a teacher, too. :-)
Yes! Gamer teachers are the best teachers. :)
@@BeyondSolitaire I love Apex Therapod as well. To keep it more interesting, I added a basic rule to create a mini campaign, where I get one experience point per damage on the boss and then an extra XP for defeating the boss. I start on the easy level then gradually step up each level. The XP points are used to upgrade the starting deck by purchasing replacements for the starting-deck dinosaurs. In this way, I'm eventually able to tackle the hardest level.
Simultaneous shake! 🤣🤣
Liz and I are kindred souls
You just chose my Black Friday Splurge! APEX! love these
Exciting list! Nice to hear a few more "this is great but I'm not completionist" kinda takes. I still have the completionism problem :D
I suffer from FOMO too, but eventually you literally can't keep up so you have to adjust. lol
Super Baseball 2020!
Baseball Stars was the one on the NES though - and yes. So much time wasted on that game!
If only they knew what the real 2020 held for baseball and everything else... lol.
I owned this way back when. Those power ups just made the game so replayable and enjoyable.
I remember playing "Cyber Stadium Series-Base Wars" on the NES before Super Baseball 2020.
Looks like Mike is drowning on his screen😜
Love heroes of tenefyr 😁
I was using a tall microphone so that it wouldn’t pick up my kids watching tv in the other room ;)
All those games are great. I’ve played/own most but the one that stands out the most is Baseball Highlights. I want to play that game.
I owned Time Crisis 2 on the PS2. It came with the Gunco (I believe that was the name) and it really did a great job giving you the arcade feel.
So Mike, what did You think of Shards of infinity?
Great lists. Awesome to see some commonality between you two.
Shards, Imperium, Warp's Edge, Arnak.... All excellent games. Would be tough for me to put them in a 1-5 order.
Nice lists. Can't agree more with liz about "don't we have enough for some game ?" and the complishonished players.
I love Aeon's end, but i make a choice not getting everything so i chose not buying war eternal, legacy 1, and Legacy of gravehold. Coz i have plenty enough for a lifetime with the others 3 boxes
And with Astro knights coming, i'm happy i did, coz this little brother is going to replace his old brother i think !
Mike forgot one Legendary Encounters : Buffy. This is only one left in my collection.
But great lists on both sides!
The Buffy version is not Legendary Encounters, it's just regular Legendary with a few twists added.
Did you play the snake side in Arnak? It's much tougher. I also crush the bird side, but struggle on the snake side
I still need to solo this period! I have played both sides but with other humans, shocking, I know, :P
I had to groan at Baseball Highlights as Liz might have guessed. Just too random and just doesn't seem like there is much in the way of decisions. Looking forward to Imperium. LOVE Aeons end both solo and Multiplayer. I am deeply deeply deeply disappointed that Shadowrun:Crossfire wasn't in your lists, let alone #1. The more I have to think, the more I love a game, so Shadowrun is easily my favorite.
I have not played Shadowrun! Guess I ought to go looking for it. :)
@@BeyondSolitaire Good thing I was sitting down when I read this.
I haven’t played Shadowrun either…
Shadowrun crossfire primerunner is great!
@@OneStopCoopShop You're killing me smalls.
Yeah, I feel similar to Liz.
Aeon's End is my #1 pure deck builder and although I have everything for 1st edition plus War Eternal, I don't feel like I'm missing anything. And whilst I hear Mike's praise for the later modes, I'm at the stage where I don't know if it's worth the extra space it'll take up.
Shane, if you get them and mix them, make sure to have a good storage solution that works for you. Otherwise, I think the two boxes offer enough content.
I love you goofballs!
That we are. Happy Thanksgiving! :D
I want to watch that baseball movie you were talking about, Mike. Not enough dog coach movies in my repertoire.
I heard so many good things about Core Worlds, but their Kickstarter didn’t sell it at all.
I played it once and found it quite slow and rather boring with 4 players. Maybe it's better with fewer but I also wasn't interested in the solo mode shown for the recent KS.
Apex is a great choice and it's been permanently at my table for a year, so when are you going to review it or film a playthrough? (You might have done a print review I'm not sure) In fact, a lot of the well known reviewers have ignored or shunned it, perhaps the Kickstarter issues left a bad taste in their mouth or they couldn't get a copy. But it's pretty widely available now and it's disappointing not to see it more considering it is excellent solo and has a very well written rulebook.
Aeon's End is a good choice and not unexpected, I don't know anyone in the solo world playing the baseball game though and I was floored it made both your lists. Ditto with Imperium, albeit less surprised, as it's widely played and discussed.
I definitely need to review Apex soon!
Originally the name “deck building” refers to cards. Bag building is based on the same principle but it used tokens instead of cards. I prefer to keep the term deckbuilding to card games.
Me too bro!!!
Great video, you two are just too cute :)
Gota play acention tactics
Yay at least mage knight is out of this list its not a deck building game at all, hate when it always mentioned as a deck building when it is not at all
My top five doesn't include any of your suggestions 🤷
5. Don't have it yet, it's a tie for now between the rest of my games which are pixel glory, Blight chronicles agent decker, God of War,ausonia , and Dunguen brawler
4. Feudalia - my only deck building about vp, it is a race for 10 points most of the time which I couldn't care less, the campaign is so cool with more cards and different strategies due to them, I wish dominion could have this kind of experience and campign. Really wanted to hate this game since I hate vp based games but this one I can slip...
3. Super hot the card game - rahdo played it and I said wow! Only agent decker uses the same mechanism but wow of a game, so shamed it is not that popular this and my number one pick...
2. Hero realms - without the cool campaign and the feeling of developing the character as long in the journey it would be suck
1. After the virus - only Liz convinced me to buy it and I love it
As for warps edge I think it's a little cheet but I'll alow it haha, I also own it and need to try it soon
Thanks for watching! Also, I'm glad your list is different, because it gives me new ideas for myself. ;)
Sure I'm sure one of them can be in your top 10 pick up 5 is tight and tough
Three games into Superhot, I find the game is just way too long. If you’re relatively cautions, it lasts an hour and a half, and is really easy to beat. Definitely a “play in front of the telly” game for me. I do love it’s unique mechanisms though. I wish they’d developed it a bit more and found a way to increase the urgency/peril.
Fun lists, thank you both tor sharing! For Warp’s Edge, how essential do you feel the expansion is?
The expansion is excellent. More bosses, more ships, more skills, and more enemies. I wouldn’t call it 100% necessary, but certainly strongly recommended!