If the company gives you an admission of guilt, then basically they just lost the lawsuit. If you include the hard evidence, and their illegal track record, pretty sure you'd win in court. My mother works with the DA in Georgia. EDIT: I just noticed this company is next door to me LOL. wow!!!!!!! - This makes me a little upset, what if ingredients or fillers in there people like me are allergic to? That could not only kill someone it could ruin lives (quality of life) when you think it's helping you. Pretty upsetting. - Thanks for posting this John, I really enjoyed this from a business perspective seeing how it all works. If you need any legal help in Georgia message me on Instagram :)
I just came across this news recently. I worked with Nutracap in 2017 to develop a pre-workout product - that ultimately failed due to becoming rock solid, but myself and food scientists I paid for consulting believe they added improper/too much flavoring for the recipe or put inferior ingredients that did not match the label into the product which led to the failure of my startup business/product. I just need to find some other business owners and a legal team to pursue this further. Until now I couldn’t find anyone with a similar story, and Nutracap seemed rather bulletproof with their prior cases etc with Duracap Labs. I wrote many letters and consulted with a legal team, but they didn’t really understand the depth to this negligence. The legal team was also scared of the affiliation with Duracap/Nutracap which they dissolved years ago, but still worked under that name with the docs they had on file. I need someone to reach out so we can sink NutraCrap
This is so important for people to understand. It’s one thing to hear of GMP violations, it’s another thing to hear a personal story. Thank you for taking time to share this. The supplement industry needs to move towards education, transparency, and accountability. This video is a huge service.
Few years ago in Brazil a store owner payed out of his pocket testing of more than 200 products and brands. 70% failed. Amazingly some famous expensive ones were among them. He got a lot of heat. We need more of this guys. Search "Felix bonfim laudos"
I'm an owner of a company that's been in business for 2 yrs now. I'm actually dealing with Nutracap right now, and I'm having an issue with them. They sent me a different formula than what I had approved that they formulated. 2 of the main ingredients are extremely low and are what causes the effect that makes it work. The Samples that they sent we're great, but once the finale product arrived and were given to my customers, they had no reactions to it. Scale of 1-100 it worked as a 0. Now they are trying to say that it was just a minor mistake on the label. Now my next step is having it tested, and I know that the lab results will show that they manipulated the ingredients dosage. Because they keep giving me so many excuses. They don't even want to send the correct formula that we approved. Rather give us our money back, it was their 1st and only option. Glad I watched this video because I didn't know who the owner was, and the sales reps wouldn't allow me to speak with anyone else but them. So now I'm taking legal action as my next step.
THIS is the kind of reporting we need in the fitness industry. I’ve worked in the industry for over a decade and I’m always amazed at how these kind of violations go unnoticed by the consumers buying the products. Thanks for bringing this forward 💪🏽💪🏽
It's so saddening and angering to know how much most supplement companies outright misinform the public for profit. Thanks for stepping up and showing the light to us John! We appreciate your work so much!
If anybody has insight on the companies that are involved, please share them. I would like to avoid them & make sure I can tell friends & clients to avoid them as well. Thanks!
As always thank you very much for the contact. This kind of thing is scary because as consumer we don't like to have to do an hour of research before we buy our products. Thank you thank you!
I always got the impression, by watching your videos, that you are an honest, upstanding man. Now, I see it wasn’t just for show. You’ve earned even more trust and, respect from me. Thank you for all of your great videos and, advice!
I have a friend who owns a BB supps store and he sent various protein powders brands to a Lab(6years ago) and almost all of them came out with 1/2 quantity of protein than the labels were saying and some of them had traces of illegal substances. The exceptions were some German Brands. My best physique was always on the periods I was using ONLY real food. Thanks for reminding me this with this video. You are the best in the fitness industry.
This is a major point that's always on my mind with supplements specifically the pre-workouts, BCAA's, EAA's and to a lesser extent protein powders. Not something I have ever had cause to think with Granite, your stance as proven in this video (I had not idea about any of this btw) is integrity, both in yourself and anything you put your name on. 100% respect that and I have no problems paying more for a guarantee that I am actually getting what I'm paying for (and thereby getting the results the supplement claims to provide).
Good good info. I work in quality control and although I’m not in the supplement industry I do know it’s pretty much the same rule for manufacturers seeking profits: -They All want quality but quality costs money, and they rarely invest in quality.
John should be the face of the fitness/bodybuilding community. One day the millions of viewers vshred gets will find johns channel and turn to the good side of the fitness industry with the best knowledge and most honest person in this RUclips fitness community
I tried to find which supplement makers use this company but failed. Can you point me in the right direction? Thanks for this awesome episode! Glad I found your channel! And glad you are doing so well after your heart attack! Welcome back and thanks for educating your fans, both old and new!
Hi John, Excellent video and thank you for making it as there still continues to be dodgy supplement companies out there who still do things like proprietary blends and amino spiking! Also, when it comes to looking at the labels of various protein powders, it's really important to learn how to separate the good ones from the shit ones and therefore avoid being ripped off! Cheers, Billy
Great information. I used to used "cheaper" off the shelf Kroger, GNC, Walmart supplements. And they are cheap in price for a reason. I switched to a higher quality brand, and even though paying a higher price, you know what you are getting.
Why isn't it public record on what manufacturers are being used by these brands? As a consumer I should be able to know considering the facts you've presented to us.
Great video John! I am from Argentina where the supplement industry is not even close to the USA in regards controls like the FDA. That has always made me fearful of using supplements which i think is a pitty that i have to second think it before i take something as simple as creatine, so right now i take no supplements, all quality food.
John, thank you so much. You've helped me more than you may know. I'm going to have to be very vague here. I have access and have been given over $1000 in free products by a supplement brand. I thought it was awesome and nice and only happened because of a connection I have. I was never suspicious because of my connection and having 10 tubs of protein powder was great. About half way through this video I began becoming suspicious and ran downstairs to look at the products. And boom, Nutracap Labs manufactures all of it. I'm not sure if the brand I have IS directly Nutracap Labs or if it's a start up brand using them to manufacture their products. In any event, looks like 25 pounds of protein powder are going into the trash. Also worth noting, my recent bloodwork revealed elevated liver enzymes. You've helped me a ton. Thanks for being honest and a straight shooter. Just know you are quite possibly saving lives.
@@mountaindog1 Don't know if it's caused by the protein powder but I can say the powder tasted too good. Makes sense now, it probably has unlisted / misrepresented ingredients. Needless to say, not using it anymore. I'm more than willing to hold on to some of the products if there was someone wanting them for testing / evidence or whatever. Anyway, thanks again.
After 35 years as a food scientist and food safety quality management, you realize that it is always buyer beware when you are hiring a manufacturer to produce a product. Part of the contract should include regular product testing and the right to audit the manufacturing facility at any time. There are more unscrupulous food and drug manufacturers out there than you might think. Lots of money to be made by substituting ingredients and not following the prescribed formulations. Glad to see you were able to catch them in the act John.
Unfortunately same issues happen also in other industries. It seems that most of the time profit is more important than customer's health and quality...
Meadows you're honesty & care for the health of someone who unknowingly took that or would have taken it (potentially elderly/anyone with a fatal reaction) is a breath of fresh air
John you are probably the most honest and genuine guy on any you tube channel..you straight up care about people being lied too and misled!..all your info ..training and all is invaluable..big thanks👍💪
It’s infuriating...to say the least. 1. What if someone is allergic to ingredients and companies like this expose someone to health risks and 2. Many of us take supplements for health purposes (important health purposes beyond just general health) and we really on precisely dosed product. Obviously a huge concern is you don’t get the performance enhancing benefits people expect but more than that there could be serious health concerns. These are the people that are the pariahs of the industry and an example should be made of them.
Thanks for the heads up on this, John. Sounds like ol' Wes is a real POS, who doesn't care if something in his product could harm someone. Just another guy out to make the almighty buck, no matter what 😡
Thank you John for holding these people responsible and shedding light on this crazy suppl Industry which a lot of the supps out there are not FDA approved. A lot of crooks out there.
You tried and You did it. Your channel is amazing. Your are one of the Best fitness youtubers. Regarding to suplements. Is so hard to find good products.
Thank you for this educational video regarding bad apples in the supplement industry. I definitely will be taking a closer look at my supplements and where their ingredients are sourced moving forward.
One of the biggest reason that the only supplement I will use is protein as needed and creatine. I feel like it's not the company selling the product all the time but the actual manufacturer who provided the supplement to the company. Great job mountain dog!
Thanks for the honest and informative content. You’ve obviously leaned down, and you look good. I hope your health and recovery are going well. Keep up the great work, and best of luck.
The problem with the supplement industry is that it is far less regulated than other industries that create products that we ingest. That is good in that it can allow innovation, but bad in that bad actors can literally get away with murder at times. Self regulation would be nice, but that requires a level of discipline that seems to be very rare. Part of the reason that my household uses Granite is that I have a lot of confidence in John. Something I can't say for an awful lot of people I see here on youtube. Thanks for the frank talk. Stinks that you had to do it, but I'm glad you did.
DuraCaps been doing this for a super long time. I remember before I closed the supplement store that I would not put any products in our store that was manufactured by them.
Was probally a Prohormone or a SARM which sounds pretty common these days. You should do a video on your opinion of those compounds as well in the future John. I would really like to know what you think. Keep up the good work.
I was going to use them as my manufacturer because they offer low minimum orders. Is there a high quality company that offers low minimums for custom formulations?
@@erinl7946 Wow I forgot about this video. John really helped a lot of people. No there really isn’t any out there that are that have such low minimums. Makers nutrition is a good company overall though.
John appreciate you exposing these frauds. It's a shame that this is going on, but people like you is what makes the industry a better place. FDA will be getting a letter from my attorney about this company.
I believe Revive does, I do not think Redcon does, Blackstone used to but PJ got rid of them years ago. No idea who makes Steel but jason seems like a really good guy to me.
Hi boss man big 👍 to you on this subject hear so many people going on bout what they use what they don’t & I’ll admit for anyone starting training the amount of product available is an absolute mine field to navigate we’re lucky our gym owners are like yourself very clued up on supplements & Steve is very particular bout what he stocks or advises his clients on it took him 4months to pick a deadlift/shrug machine for the gym it drove his wife nuts 🤣 but heyho but totally agree with you quality costs & if people aren’t sure ask the question and tell the seller exactly what your training for to
Excellent video excellent content M Dog glad you're in the business cause you sincerely care about people and products and most persons in the so-called fitness business only care about money most people in most businesses only care about money it's just sad and disappointing people really need to take pride in what they do no matter what it is thanks for sharing this information M Dog much appreciated as always!!👍👏😎💯
I dont know man. That kind of stuff makes it scary to purchase anything from any of the smaller brands and thats the worst part of it. The tinier brands get a bad rap and they go under because of shitbags in the industry. Thanks Jon. I hope you and your heart are doing good man. I know I'm late to the party, but I was an x ray tech in the cath lab so I know what you went through. Stay safe.
John ive gone through 3 tubs of prime intra md in the past and was thinking maybe they used waxy maize possibly? I believe its still be sold hopefully they put the real ingredients in now. I find granite intra way more effective though its my go too.
I really appreciate your take on issues like this. The way you handle yourself is very professional and down right inspirational.
I appreciate that!
I agree 100%.
Well he is a Jedi Grand Master
Set the record straight ... John Meadows for California Governor ! 🇺🇲👏👏👏👏
aboutblank I mean, I’m from California and I’m all for this. But doesn’t John live in Ohio? Lol
@@MattSeesGray We can still dream of a better California @
@@aboutblank7662 A better California.... Yep... We all can dream...
John lives in my state of Ohio. He's ours, you can't have him. Good luck getting a better Gov. you certainly need one
@@beefcakejones1963 LOL!
How is John even a real person? No one could possibly be this kind and humble on this planet.
Omg dude. I said the same thing pretty much. I said John is way too good for this planet. Then I saw your comment 😂😂
Gotta mention I appreciate how you stay away from stirring up drama on your channel John. Just straight up good information
If the company gives you an admission of guilt, then basically they just lost the lawsuit. If you include the hard evidence, and their illegal track record, pretty sure you'd win in court. My mother works with the DA in Georgia.
EDIT: I just noticed this company is next door to me LOL. wow!!!!!!!
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This makes me a little upset, what if ingredients or fillers in there people like me are allergic to? That could not only kill someone it could ruin lives (quality of life) when you think it's helping you. Pretty upsetting.
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Thanks for posting this John, I really enjoyed this from a business perspective seeing how it all works. If you need any legal help in Georgia message me on Instagram :)
yep
Your mom and the DA are too busy going after innocent cops to help anyone lol
youtubetroll you believe the DA is going after innocent cops ? They aren’t even going after the minority of bad cops
I just came across this news recently. I worked with Nutracap in 2017 to develop a pre-workout product - that ultimately failed due to becoming rock solid, but myself and food scientists I paid for consulting believe they added improper/too much flavoring for the recipe or put inferior ingredients that did not match the label into the product which led to the failure of my startup business/product. I just need to find some other business owners and a legal team to pursue this further. Until now I couldn’t find anyone with a similar story, and Nutracap seemed rather bulletproof with their prior cases etc with Duracap Labs. I wrote many letters and consulted with a legal team, but they didn’t really understand the depth to this negligence. The legal team was also scared of the affiliation with Duracap/Nutracap which they dissolved years ago, but still worked under that name with the docs they had on file. I need someone to reach out so we can sink NutraCrap
This is so important for people to understand. It’s one thing to hear of GMP violations, it’s another thing to hear a personal story. Thank you for taking time to share this. The supplement industry needs to move towards education, transparency, and accountability. This video is a huge service.
I hope so!
I stopped trusting supplement companies years ago. Now saying that, I remember the proper IntraMD and it was great!
Few years ago in Brazil a store owner payed out of his pocket testing of more than 200 products and brands. 70% failed. Amazingly some famous expensive ones were among them. He got a lot of heat. We need more of this guys.
Search "Felix bonfim laudos"
It baffles me when someone is guilty of fraud they are allowed to do it again immediately afterwards when they should be BANNED for life.
The government will be happy to keep the money coming until they are caught again
At the end of the day, they can still tax him I guess. I’m actually glad that the FDA was able to catch all of this behavior, good on their part.
This is why John is the Uncle of the BB community, honest and straightforward, much respect. Hope you’re back to 100% soon
I'm an owner of a company that's been in business for 2 yrs now. I'm actually dealing with Nutracap right now, and I'm having an issue with them. They sent me a different formula than what I had approved that they formulated. 2 of the main ingredients are extremely low
and are what causes the effect that makes it work. The Samples that they sent we're great, but once the finale product arrived and were given to my customers, they had no reactions to it. Scale of 1-100 it worked as a 0. Now they are trying to say that it was just a minor mistake on the label. Now my next step is having it tested, and I know that the lab results will show that they manipulated the ingredients dosage. Because they keep giving me so many excuses. They don't even want to send the correct formula that we approved. Rather give us our money back, it was their 1st and only option. Glad I watched this video because I didn't know who the owner was, and the sales reps wouldn't allow me to speak with anyone else but them. So now I'm taking legal action as my next step.
I wish I could be as calm and humble as you when addressing confrontational issues. I admire you John, you really are one of my fitness heroes.
THIS is the kind of reporting we need in the fitness industry. I’ve worked in the industry for over a decade and I’m always amazed at how these kind of violations go unnoticed by the consumers buying the products. Thanks for bringing this forward 💪🏽💪🏽
The “testing” is exactly what they do with AAS and SARMS. They make one good batch for testing and then cheap out after.
It's so saddening and angering to know how much most supplement companies outright misinform the public for profit. Thanks for stepping up and showing the light to us John! We appreciate your work so much!
If anybody has insight on the companies that are involved, please share them. I would like to avoid them & make sure I can tell friends & clients to avoid them as well. Thanks!
Right. There needs to be a complete list of companies
I’m commenting to follow this thread
David Steen me too
Following
What i read : redcon and revive
Thank you for continuing to be one of the only straight talkers in our industry. John, you are a great ambassador, an inspiration.
As always thank you very much for the contact. This kind of thing is scary because as consumer we don't like to have to do an hour of research before we buy our products. Thank you thank you!
I always got the impression, by watching your videos, that you are an honest, upstanding man.
Now, I see it wasn’t just for show. You’ve earned even more trust and, respect from me.
Thank you for all of your great videos and, advice!
I appreciate that
Thank you, John. Your integrity is all you have at the end of the day and you sir are Mr integrity
I have a friend who owns a BB supps store and he sent various protein powders brands to a Lab(6years ago) and almost all of them came out with 1/2 quantity of protein than the labels were saying and some of them had traces of illegal substances.
The exceptions were some German Brands.
My best physique was always on the periods I was using ONLY real food.
Thanks for reminding me this with this video. You are the best in the fitness industry.
This is a major point that's always on my mind with supplements specifically the pre-workouts, BCAA's, EAA's and to a lesser extent protein powders. Not something I have ever had cause to think with Granite, your stance as proven in this video (I had not idea about any of this btw) is integrity, both in yourself and anything you put your name on. 100% respect that and I have no problems paying more for a guarantee that I am actually getting what I'm paying for (and thereby getting the results the supplement claims to provide).
Good good info. I work in quality control and although I’m not in the supplement industry I do know it’s pretty much the same rule for manufacturers seeking profits:
-They All want quality but quality costs money, and they rarely invest in quality.
That’s why ur the most honest and one of the most followed fitness you tubers and influencers, we all appreciate your honesty
✊
John should be the face of the fitness/bodybuilding community. One day the millions of viewers vshred gets will find johns channel and turn to the good side of the fitness industry with the best knowledge and most honest person in this RUclips fitness community
Another example of you being a real, respectable man! Thanks John!
Thanks so much for sharing and informing, John! The world needs more of this kind of honor & integrity.
This is why I don't use any "off brand" supplements. I research, read, look around to find reputable companies.
I tried to find which supplement makers use this company but failed. Can you point me in the right direction? Thanks for this awesome episode! Glad I found your channel! And glad you are doing so well after your heart attack! Welcome back and thanks for educating your fans, both old and new!
Mr. Integrity as always, John. This is one of my many reasons why I support you and your company. Thank you sir.
I appreciate that
Expose them John!!!!! Keep us informed! Thank you
Hi John,
Excellent video and thank you for making it as there still continues to be dodgy supplement companies out there who still do things like proprietary blends and amino spiking! Also, when it comes to looking at the labels of various protein powders, it's really important to learn how to separate the good ones from the shit ones and therefore avoid being ripped off!
Cheers,
Billy
You the real mvp Mr. Meadows! Thanks for the information and clarification, the honesty and clarity speaks volume.
Thanks for the heads up John! That's exactly why I only go for third party tested brands.
So many dirty, selfish people in this world. Thanks for always leading with integrity, John!
if something bothers John “Mountain Dog” Meadows it must bother you.
Thx for the honesty!!! Lots of money so people do some bad things !!! Thx u John !!
Great information. I used to used "cheaper" off the shelf Kroger, GNC, Walmart supplements. And they are cheap in price for a reason. I switched to a higher quality brand, and even though paying a higher price, you know what you are getting.
Why isn't it public record on what manufacturers are being used by these brands? As a consumer I should be able to know considering the facts you've presented to us.
it needs to be
Thank you for making this video John. I had no idea that the FDA didn't come down harder on known bad labs. That really opened my eyes.
Great video John! I am from Argentina where the supplement industry is not even close to the USA in regards controls like the FDA. That has always made me fearful of using supplements which i think is a pitty that i have to second think it before i take something as simple as creatine, so right now i take no supplements, all quality food.
Thank you for being vocal and speaking up. You may have saved a few people more than their money. Appreciate you and all you do.
Thank you for posting this... the industry should be as transparent as possible considering its “health and fitness” related... 🙌🏽
Absolutely!
John, thank you so much. You've helped me more than you may know. I'm going to have to be very vague here. I have access and have been given over $1000 in free products by a supplement brand. I thought it was awesome and nice and only happened because of a connection I have. I was never suspicious because of my connection and having 10 tubs of protein powder was great. About half way through this video I began becoming suspicious and ran downstairs to look at the products. And boom, Nutracap Labs manufactures all of it. I'm not sure if the brand I have IS directly Nutracap Labs or if it's a start up brand using them to manufacture their products.
In any event, looks like 25 pounds of protein powder are going into the trash. Also worth noting, my recent bloodwork revealed elevated liver enzymes.
You've helped me a ton. Thanks for being honest and a straight shooter. Just know you are quite possibly saving lives.
i have heard the liver enzyme elevation issue a few times since I posted.
@@mountaindog1 Don't know if it's caused by the protein powder but I can say the powder tasted too good. Makes sense now, it probably has unlisted / misrepresented ingredients. Needless to say, not using it anymore.
I'm more than willing to hold on to some of the products if there was someone wanting them for testing / evidence or whatever.
Anyway, thanks again.
Thank you John for the heads up. This information needs to be heard.
For those who disliked the video, could you please elaborate? I think some of us would like to hear you out.
After 35 years as a food scientist and food safety quality management, you realize that it is always buyer beware when you are hiring a manufacturer to produce a product. Part of the contract should include regular product testing and the right to audit the manufacturing facility at any time. There are more unscrupulous food and drug manufacturers out there than you might think. Lots of money to be made by substituting ingredients and not following the prescribed formulations. Glad to see you were able to catch them in the act John.
Unfortunately same issues happen also in other industries. It seems that most of the time profit is more important than customer's health and quality...
Meadows you're honesty & care for the health of someone who unknowingly took that or would have taken it (potentially elderly/anyone with a fatal reaction) is a breath of fresh air
John you are probably the most honest and genuine guy on any you tube channel..you straight up care about people being lied too and misled!..all your info ..training and all is invaluable..big thanks👍💪
Hell yeah! Moutain Dog looking out for the people! We appreciate you! Opened me eyes, I’m shocked they let that guy operate another lab.
Appreciate you , your channel , your honesty and all you do man. From one old meathead to another , Thank you !
Thank you John! The companies will be call out!
I love the guy , you are example for your kids , respect man
Hey John how do we find what companies use NutraCap? Not as much transparency as I thought there would be..
It’s infuriating...to say the least. 1. What if someone is allergic to ingredients and companies like this expose someone to health risks and 2. Many of us take supplements for health purposes (important health purposes beyond just general health) and we really on precisely dosed product.
Obviously a huge concern is you don’t get the performance enhancing benefits people expect but more than that there could be serious health concerns. These are the people that are the pariahs of the industry and an example should be made of them.
Thanks for the heads up on this, John. Sounds like ol' Wes is a real POS, who doesn't care if something in his product could harm someone. Just another guy out to make the almighty buck, no matter what 😡
Thank you John for bringing this to the public's attention in a professional way.
I promise John is the truth....So much MORE respect and appreciate for him. Again thank u Mountain Dog 👍🏾🙌🏾!
Supplement industry ....if only they had a standard they had to uphold.
No dude, Mel Gibson told us that the vitamin and supplement industry didn't need to be regulated. And I think it's best to not contradict Me. Gibson.
Thank you John for holding these people responsible and shedding light on this crazy suppl
Industry which a lot of the supps out there are not FDA approved. A lot of crooks out there.
Thx John for calling out the Bad Guy's! not enough of this is happening.
Why is he walking free after poisoning people deliberately for money? That should've been a long prison sentence.
And this is why you're a Legend. Keeping everything transparent. Keep doing what you're doing!
You tried and You did it. Your channel is amazing. Your are one of the Best fitness youtubers.
Regarding to suplements. Is so hard to find good products.
Thank you for this educational video regarding bad apples in the supplement industry. I definitely will be taking a closer look at my supplements and where their ingredients are sourced moving forward.
One of the biggest reason that the only supplement I will use is protein as needed and creatine. I feel like it's not the company selling the product all the time but the actual manufacturer who provided the supplement to the company. Great job mountain dog!
Thanks for the honest and informative content. You’ve obviously leaned down, and you look good. I hope your health and recovery are going well. Keep up the great work, and best of luck.
Great information thank you! That is exactly why I have moved away from using workout supplements, very little regulation.
Criminals are allowed to tattle on other criminals to not get prosecuted as badly? What a system lol
The problem with the supplement industry is that it is far less regulated than other industries that create products that we ingest. That is good in that it can allow innovation, but bad in that bad actors can literally get away with murder at times. Self regulation would be nice, but that requires a level of discipline that seems to be very rare. Part of the reason that my household uses Granite is that I have a lot of confidence in John. Something I can't say for an awful lot of people I see here on youtube. Thanks for the frank talk. Stinks that you had to do it, but I'm glad you did.
DuraCaps been doing this for a super long time. I remember before I closed the supplement store that I would not put any products in our store that was manufactured by them.
yep
I love your no nonsense approach and super informative tips. RUclips needs more guys with your integrity.
I appreciate that!
Public service announcement from John and reminders that money leads to greed, greed leads to bad judgement.
always positive and educational! always very straight and honest information.
Pretty sure this is the same company revive uses.
it is.
Revive, the Irish supplement company?
Thats nuts they were putting Superdrol in a mass builder. That is an amazing but insane side effects drug.
Mmmhmmm, put 30LBS on my OHP in four weeks leading to a mild shoulder injury. Liver values were high but manageable
why would they do that?
Was probally a Prohormone or a SARM which sounds pretty common these days. You should do a video on your opinion of those compounds as well in the future John. I would really like to know what you think. Keep up the good work.
It's everywhere, not just in the supplement industry. Perfectly stated.
I was going to use them as my manufacturer because they offer low minimum orders. Is there a high quality company that offers low minimums for custom formulations?
@@erinl7946 Wow I forgot about this video. John really helped a lot of people. No there really isn’t any out there that are that have such low minimums. Makers nutrition is a good company overall though.
Very important video, thanks John. You truly are a cut above in the fitness industry👍🏽
Sometimes i think, that supplement regulations here in EU are very harsh, but then i go and watch something like this...
I'm sorry that you had to go through this MD!
They need to have better policies to weed out the bath tub supplements ! Facilities need to be in place with proper testing ect .
Thanks John!! I used to work for these guys. Thanks for exposing the truth!!
email any info you might want to share at mountaindog1@live.com
If there`d be a Mr. O for being the most decent and reasonable person out there, John Meadows would be a 5-times-in-a-row-winner. At least.
Amen!!
thank you for all you do John,,, i love ur humble and honesty.. never change pls :) love from Italy
Wow it's crazy what happens behind the scenes in the supplement industry
You're a good man that why we love you, and Sicily loves you too! 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
You are an asset for the bodybuilding sport-movement-industry!! 👏👏👏👏
FDA needs to simply shutdown their entire operation and business.
Make an example out of them and send a message to other supp companies.
agreed given the history
is there companies that you recommend to start busness with?
John appreciate you exposing these frauds. It's a shame that this is going on, but people like you is what makes the industry a better place. FDA will be getting a letter from my attorney about this company.
the brands using this manufacturer will come out eventually..steer clear of them
Definitely will be sticking to Granite. Thanks so much for an insider peak at the industry.
Isn’t this the one Revive uses?
Rofl!
I believe Revive does, I do not think Redcon does, Blackstone used to but PJ got rid of them years ago. No idea who makes Steel but jason seems like a really good guy to me.
Hi boss man big 👍 to you on this subject hear so many people going on bout what they use what they don’t & I’ll admit for anyone starting training the amount of product available is an absolute mine field to navigate we’re lucky our gym owners are like yourself very clued up on supplements & Steve is very particular bout what he stocks or advises his clients on it took him 4months to pick a deadlift/shrug machine for the gym it drove his wife nuts 🤣 but heyho but totally agree with you quality costs & if people aren’t sure ask the question and tell the seller exactly what your training for to
I'll probably switch to only Granite Supplements. The protein is excellent and it seems none of these companies can be trusted.
i wouldnt say none. but it is a scary industry
If only Granite suppliments shipped to the Caribbean😢
magnum nutraceuticals out of canada is great for supps as well.
Nelson Hoffman magnum is my absolute favourite. Can’t wait to try Granite as they will be sold here shortly
Sixpack nutrition India is also a great company
Excellent video excellent content M Dog glad you're in the business cause you sincerely care about people and products and most persons in the so-called fitness business only care about money most people in most businesses only care about money it's just sad and disappointing people really need to take pride in what they do no matter what it is thanks for sharing this information M Dog much appreciated as always!!👍👏😎💯
Great video John. If I tell you the protein power that I take, can you tell me if it is reputable?
@John S I use Isopure whey protein isolate.
I dont know man. That kind of stuff makes it scary to purchase anything from any of the smaller brands and thats the worst part of it. The tinier brands get a bad rap and they go under because of shitbags in the industry.
Thanks Jon. I hope you and your heart are doing good man. I know I'm late to the party, but I was an x ray tech in the cath lab so I know what you went through. Stay safe.
John ive gone through 3 tubs of prime intra md in the past and was thinking maybe they used waxy maize possibly? I believe its still be sold hopefully they put the real ingredients in now. I find granite intra way more effective though its my go too.
I like your video. Do you have a source where we can source with better manufacturers?
Armada Nutrition is a good one