Goddamn. "Modulated modulation at audio rates." That is a brilliant idea. When I watch your videos, I usually stop and think about the patches, and ask myself how I would explain it to someone who knows nothing about modular. Early in the video, I found myself thinking that with this, I'd tell them that if the input remains constant, the pitch is also constant. The folding does not alter the input, only the output. So, each fold sequence is merely a fine tune of the oscillation of the output within a range of a single input cycle, and that fine tune is then repeated at the input rate. It tricks the ear into thinking that the pitch is changing, but the constant input affirms that no, it is not. The incoming harmonics are stable and unchanged. It's just the timbre, the outgoing texture. Seems straightforward to modular users, but as we all know from experience, it's anything but simple. But it's a good mental exercise that I use to firm up my own understanding. Kind of a muscle memory exercise, but for my brain, not my hands. Bear with me here, there's a tangent, but it connects back around in time. I'm also a kindergarten teacher, so finding ways to explain new or difficult concepts is an automatic response. Two weeks ago, I used Grover's "Near and Far" video from Sesame Street to help them understand perspective and dimension, then we followed up with using a rainbow to show the different wavelengths of light to teach them that blue is short and red is long, so our retinas trick us into thinking "red is big = near, and blue is small = far" so our brain interprets them as depth, and creates the 3d illusion, which the blue/red 3D glasses exploit. In just 3 lessons, I have taught my kids about dimension and perspective, wavelengths of light, and the illusion of 3D, using Grover, a rainbow, and a few youtube 3D videos. We also learned about Bernoulli's aerodynamic principles with a straw and a floating styrofoam ball, but we didn't get to Bernoulli gates yet... I also listen to podcasts/lectures about astrophysics most nights as I sleep, so black holes and gravity and quantum mechanics and so on. A few days ago, I fell asleep listening to one about gravitational waves, and how they affect each other through space and time. All of those waves are just basic sine waves travelling through space, but they're gamma waves (the shortest of all wavelengths with the highest energy) travelling at the speed of light. Just like the ripples on a pond when you through a stone in, there's your basic sine wave. Now throw in a second stone, and watch how the new set of ripples interacts with the first. There's your FM. With the wavefolding, it seems like it's just the same thing, but your second stone landed in exactly the same place as the first, and in time with it. So, as I sleep, I'm literally dreaming about how the different wavelengths (or placement of) affect each other, and it is the perfect companion to understanding this crazy hobby. It also helps me teach my kids. The 2nd best part? I get paid for this. The best part? I dream this shit. It is slowly creating deeper foundations within my mind that will help me grow within it. Between those science videos, and all the stuff you create and demonstrate with Data, I have been able to learn so much about how this stuff all works, conceptually. I still need a lot more practice at using it, but your videos are an enormous help. That audio modulation section is the part that made my ears prick up the most though. After watching this and Select 2 demo several times each, I think I've got the next building blocks to my rack. Thanks as always.
superb demo Ben, - been looking at wavefolders recently, - never been bored with my trusty old Doepfer -137, but, after 20yrs+ of just Doepfer modules, - starting with his MS-404 in "97, - I've recently been adding the odd module from other brands to my 18u+ system... Love the Joranalogue sound, really wouldn't mind an entire system of his gear, it really has a high-end sound, and appears to be priced extremely fairly, considering the, sometimes, rather high prices asked for by some other manufacturers... love to ALL, feel no hate
Would be nice to see how it compares with the classic Serge/Haible folder design (though that'll probably be more from an academic than musical interest).
Tnx again for a great lecture on eurorack in general, and wavefolding in particular. Hearing you playing some newwaveish guitar I thought a modular challenge could be "Make a small eurorack system for guitar to replace your pedalboard". Not that I play guitar or have anything against pedals, I love pedals, but think it could be interesting to see what people might come up with.
Hi! Thanks for the video, got a question. Do you think this thing is complementary with the bifold or are they too similar? I'm a newbie on wavefolding but just got the bifold and I find it amazing!
Great demo and insight into this extraordinary module this is amongst the most musical and expressive sounds I have ever heard a wavefolder create especially from harmonically complex sources. The range from brittle and spiky to creamy and saturated was wonderful. Do you think that this is because of the special qualities of the module itself or is a consequence of the way you have patched it with the functions from the other supporting Joranalogue modules?
... he literally covers this first thing in the video. 3:04. If a basic sine wave sounds like this, I imagine the qualities are from the wave folder. Joranalogue makes great stuff, I'm not surprised
@@JubileeGiggles Indeed you are right! But the module must read an input signal in order to generate harmonics. Reformulating: if the signal is not periodic because of VCO inaccuracies, how does it react? Does the output signal tend "to clip"? Joranalogue makes amazing stuff!! But I imagine that the series of modules are engineered and optimized to enhance the sound characteristics of the same brand.
@@_P3_ I wouldn't imagine most basic waveforms from any desirable oscillators are non-periodic... most oscilloscopes I see might show the shapes a little off from pure sine, triangle, etc (rounded peak on saw for example, sounding slightly filtered), but nonperiodicity I think would show up as pitch warbling, which I've never really encountered. Also, this seems to just fold the highest part of a peak down, not at any specific place but just where it arises. I think this would probably sound good on most things. The symmetry one would be the one I would think would do interesting things if the wave was not periodic, but I don't imagine clipping. Nothing in the modules actions are time based or using sampling. It's just folding the peaks down. He feeds irregularly timed lfo waves in and they perform fine
@@JubileeGiggles Thank you for your accurate answer. These modules cut the signal above a certain threshold of the input signal (rising) and invert the signal into a precise fashion until the input signal (falling) is below the threshold. Converting a hypothetical overdrive, with clipped 'mesas' maxima, to wiggling awesomeness.
got to be honest I don't know either of those. But it was a Telecaster, drop C tuning and riffing around open string, fret 1, 3, 5, 6. One little thing I played sounded like Some Kind Of Monster by Metallica, that didn't make the video.
The subs that PWM with the fold on the Tiptop is very nice. But I've been using Fold 6 much more. Smaller (easier to get into more systems) with the addition of the distortion shape on the fold and two fold outputs. I've distilled a lot of what I liked in folding into my new module Manic (with Apollo View). But I'd be happy to recommend Fold 6 of the Tiptop if the size/price/features suit you. Good sounds out of both.
Goddamn. "Modulated modulation at audio rates." That is a brilliant idea. When I watch your videos, I usually stop and think about the patches, and ask myself how I would explain it to someone who knows nothing about modular. Early in the video, I found myself thinking that with this, I'd tell them that if the input remains constant, the pitch is also constant. The folding does not alter the input, only the output. So, each fold sequence is merely a fine tune of the oscillation of the output within a range of a single input cycle, and that fine tune is then repeated at the input rate. It tricks the ear into thinking that the pitch is changing, but the constant input affirms that no, it is not. The incoming harmonics are stable and unchanged. It's just the timbre, the outgoing texture.
Seems straightforward to modular users, but as we all know from experience, it's anything but simple. But it's a good mental exercise that I use to firm up my own understanding. Kind of a muscle memory exercise, but for my brain, not my hands. Bear with me here, there's a tangent, but it connects back around in time. I'm also a kindergarten teacher, so finding ways to explain new or difficult concepts is an automatic response. Two weeks ago, I used Grover's "Near and Far" video from Sesame Street to help them understand perspective and dimension, then we followed up with using a rainbow to show the different wavelengths of light to teach them that blue is short and red is long, so our retinas trick us into thinking "red is big = near, and blue is small = far" so our brain interprets them as depth, and creates the 3d illusion, which the blue/red 3D glasses exploit. In just 3 lessons, I have taught my kids about dimension and perspective, wavelengths of light, and the illusion of 3D, using Grover, a rainbow, and a few youtube 3D videos. We also learned about Bernoulli's aerodynamic principles with a straw and a floating styrofoam ball, but we didn't get to Bernoulli gates yet...
I also listen to podcasts/lectures about astrophysics most nights as I sleep, so black holes and gravity and quantum mechanics and so on. A few days ago, I fell asleep listening to one about gravitational waves, and how they affect each other through space and time. All of those waves are just basic sine waves travelling through space, but they're gamma waves (the shortest of all wavelengths with the highest energy) travelling at the speed of light. Just like the ripples on a pond when you through a stone in, there's your basic sine wave. Now throw in a second stone, and watch how the new set of ripples interacts with the first. There's your FM. With the wavefolding, it seems like it's just the same thing, but your second stone landed in exactly the same place as the first, and in time with it. So, as I sleep, I'm literally dreaming about how the different wavelengths (or placement of) affect each other, and it is the perfect companion to understanding this crazy hobby. It also helps me teach my kids. The 2nd best part? I get paid for this. The best part? I dream this shit. It is slowly creating deeper foundations within my mind that will help me grow within it.
Between those science videos, and all the stuff you create and demonstrate with Data, I have been able to learn so much about how this stuff all works, conceptually. I still need a lot more practice at using it, but your videos are an enormous help. That audio modulation section is the part that made my ears prick up the most though. After watching this and Select 2 demo several times each, I think I've got the next building blocks to my rack. Thanks as always.
Folding & modulating the wavetable was sonically & visually astonishing to me! Great module!
Yeah as you say both sonically and visually impressive.
@@DivKid Do you remember what wavetable VCO you were using?
your reviews are so good, you have a talent for making things easy to understand
cheers, really appreciate that.
superb demo Ben, - been looking at wavefolders recently, - never been bored with my trusty old Doepfer -137, but, after 20yrs+ of just Doepfer modules, - starting with his MS-404 in "97, - I've recently been adding the odd module from other brands to my 18u+ system... Love the Joranalogue sound, really wouldn't mind an entire system of his gear, it really has a high-end sound, and appears to be priced extremely fairly, considering the, sometimes, rather high prices asked for by some other manufacturers...
love to ALL, feel no hate
A welcome return from DivKid)))))
This might be the most overlooked module of the year it was released!
Hi Kev, yeah a really great sounding and performing wave folder.
Lfo modulation and that vca idea, you are brilliant🙌🏻
Nice module, it seems better than other fold modules on the market. I ordered one on the basis of this video.
Wow drums sound dope through it
Some trap 808s when he turned it up to 10
Liking the bit where you are folding LFOs for some interesting modulation.
Some wicked patches in this demo. Never thought to use a folder on envelopes. Sick! I think I'll pick one of these up. Really love Joranalogue!
damn I would've never thought of plugging drums into a wavefolder! you are my guiding light divkid
just got a bifold which is GREAT but damn, this sounds good.
very well done video that first guitar demo was it. im going to show this off to my pals in Chicago when Covid f"n dies
I especially liked your finale.
So fascinated with the waveforms I forget to listen to the demo/lesson
This 4hp module is a monster
I used it with Digital Oscillators up to now
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Massive .................
It just Rips
Totally agree a fantastic folder and lovely addition to wave shaping oscillators.
love the folding lfos!
What low pass gate are you using here? It almost steals the show! Wow.
Wow looks awesome. I need it lol
Would be nice to see how it compares with the classic Serge/Haible folder design (though that'll probably be more from an academic than musical interest).
Tnx again for a great lecture on eurorack in general, and wavefolding in particular.
Hearing you playing some newwaveish guitar I thought a modular challenge could be "Make a small eurorack system for guitar to replace your pedalboard". Not that I play guitar or have anything against pedals, I love pedals, but think it could be interesting to see what people might come up with.
I'd be interested in a comparison to the intellijel uFold
This little guy can be vicious! Let's take it home. It will defend us in case of aggression by signals poor in harmonics.
Do you mean Ben or the module? 🤣
@@tanksmoonchild Uh, now that you make me think about it...
hahah great! I'm anything but "little guy"
@@DivKid Ah I know. Talk about it with @The Silence. By the way, awesome contents as always! Thanks for sharing your experience with us :)
Hi! Thanks for the video, got a question. Do you think this thing is complementary with the bifold or are they too similar? I'm a newbie on wavefolding but just got the bifold and I find it amazing!
Nice one!
what snare are you using at 6.00? so sweet...
always so coool learing modular with you, thank you so much for all these videos.
any chance to have one on Qu-bit Nebulae V2?
i love it when u sling on that gat - whats ur tele tuned to - sounds lowwww
Brilliant again as usual, so my question is are you using the cloud terrarium in the 14:18 patch?
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Great demo and insight into this extraordinary module this is amongst the most musical and expressive sounds I have ever heard a wavefolder create especially from harmonically complex sources. The range from brittle and spiky to creamy and saturated was wonderful. Do you think that this is because of the special qualities of the module itself or is a consequence of the way you have patched it with the functions from the other supporting Joranalogue modules?
This is the right question. How does it work with a low-end VCO?
... he literally covers this first thing in the video. 3:04. If a basic sine wave sounds like this, I imagine the qualities are from the wave folder. Joranalogue makes great stuff, I'm not surprised
@@JubileeGiggles Indeed you are right! But the module must read an input signal in order to generate harmonics. Reformulating: if the signal is not periodic because of VCO inaccuracies, how does it react? Does the output signal tend "to clip"? Joranalogue makes amazing stuff!! But I imagine that the series of modules are engineered and optimized to enhance the sound characteristics of the same brand.
@@_P3_ I wouldn't imagine most basic waveforms from any desirable oscillators are non-periodic... most oscilloscopes I see might show the shapes a little off from pure sine, triangle, etc (rounded peak on saw for example, sounding slightly filtered), but nonperiodicity I think would show up as pitch warbling, which I've never really encountered. Also, this seems to just fold the highest part of a peak down, not at any specific place but just where it arises. I think this would probably sound good on most things. The symmetry one would be the one I would think would do interesting things if the wave was not periodic, but I don't imagine clipping. Nothing in the modules actions are time based or using sampling. It's just folding the peaks down. He feeds irregularly timed lfo waves in and they perform fine
@@JubileeGiggles Thank you for your accurate answer. These modules cut the signal above a certain threshold of the input signal (rising) and invert the signal into a precise fashion until the input signal (falling) is below the threshold. Converting a hypothetical overdrive, with clipped 'mesas' maxima, to wiggling awesomeness.
lovely
were you playing gaza or converge on guitar, it had that sound
love them
got to be honest I don't know either of those.
But it was a Telecaster, drop C tuning and riffing around open string, fret 1, 3, 5, 6. One little thing I played sounded like Some Kind Of Monster by Metallica, that didn't make the video.
@@DivKid haha hell yeah drop c
Pretty common deathcore tunings
Altho nowadays everything is drop a
@@DivKid do yourself a favor and go listen to Jane Doe right now. Converge are one of my favorite bands of all time. Insanely talented musicians.
I know they're not comparable, but if you had to choose one, would you choose the fold 6 or the fold processor by TipTop audio?
The subs that PWM with the fold on the Tiptop is very nice. But I've been using Fold 6 much more. Smaller (easier to get into more systems) with the addition of the distortion shape on the fold and two fold outputs.
I've distilled a lot of what I liked in folding into my new module Manic (with Apollo View). But I'd be happy to recommend Fold 6 of the Tiptop if the size/price/features suit you. Good sounds out of both.
@@DivKid thanks a lot buddy ✌️
4:30 -5:00 is a dude with headphones (on the data screen)