Ep. 22 David Wilber: Why Christians Should Keep the Feasts, How We Got The Bible & Religious Labels
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
- David Wilber-speaker, Bible teacher, apologist, researcher and author of six books (including "A Christian Guide to the Biblical Feasts" and "Is God a Misogynist?")-loves theology. In this episode, we talk about why Christians should keep the biblical feasts and David breaks down how each feast centers around Yeshua. We'll dive into religious labels, the history of the 66-book canon and the way he approaches Apocryphal and pseudepigraphal works such as First Enoch, and Jubilees.
David, who's also written and taught for outlets ranging from 119 Ministries to Inspiring Philosophy, shares about the formation of his publishing company, Pronomian Publishing LLC and how he prepares for a debate.
Check out his latest book: "How Jesus Fulfilled the Law: A Pronomian Pocket Guide to Matthew 5:17-20" (bit.ly/3VFX1yv).
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- / davidwilberblog
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Regarding the 4 th commandment, my pastor said, “That isn’t our tradition”, which was the perfect answer to set me up for Mark 7:9. “You neatly set aside the commandment of God that you may keep your traditions”. Wow! Yeshuah was not complementary about “our tradition”! So began my search for Truth. We need to remember the foundation, Torah , and use it to judge any theology built afterward by the teachings of men.
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David’s the only paster that will actually answer my Bible questions when I email them .
The other pasters dont believe what they believe enough I guess to answer questions about what they believe
For our Doctrine:
1.Read the Word (the Torah)
2.Follow the example of Yeshua ( word made flesh)
3. Pray for wisdom by the power of His Spirit
4. Test all mens teaching to the above three
Read the tanahk and the torah.
Read the new testament when you have time.
@@ToriLynnH or just read your whole Bible because reading parts "when you have time" is partly why not a lot of people follow Torah.
@@ToriLynnH emphasizing parts of the Bible over the others. Will inherently mean lacking in the parts that you're putting by the way side and people who don't fully understand the New testament tend abandon key doctrines because they lack understanding of the gospels and apostolic writings.
Cowabunga, dude!👕🐸🐸I never knew David had been brought up Lutheran. It was good to learn more about his growing up years. David has always struck me as dedicated, studious, and able to debate without succumbing to wrong tactics.
36 and raised Lutheran also. Trying to start the learning of truth the last few months
Excellent interview! Thank you Luke and David!
1:23:50 course correction is a constant theme throughout the Torah. Why did the prophets come? They were sent to tell Israel they were off the straight and narrow. Why did Yeshuah say he came? To call the lost sheep of Israel back to the straight and narrow, to REFORM the practices of Israel. Why do we assume the followers of Yeshuah would stay on the correct path for two thousand years without error creeping in? That’s why we must constantly check ALL faith and practice against the plum line of the written and living Word. A slight deviation in our base assumption will result in a toppling structure. Always judge the teachings of men by the Word, not the other way around.
Shalom and blessings Luke and David. I pray you and yours are all well. Thank you for the enjoyable, informative and, edifying interview gentlemen. Very much appreciated, brothers. Every blessing. David (UK)
People elevate the NT to the level of the OT too, which is also incorrect. Every time Messiah spoke about "it is written" He was only talking about the OT.
Thank you, Luke, for doing these podcasts.
May Yahovah continue to Bless you and your family. Shalom.
Karen! Thank YOU for being a part of our crew.
David seems like a very knowledgeable and interesting brother. I think he values consensus a little more than I do, but he seems like a good man.
According to Michael Heiser, perhaps the 1Enoch is not scriptural, but definitely lends a bridge to understanding certain parts of Scripture.
Goood Morning! Shalom Family!
Good morning @NTHunt!
Luke, your upbeat nature is so contagious. I need more of that vibe in my life. Yah bless you and your family.
Been following David Wilbur awhile now on FB. I enjoy his videos!
Feeling mo' awake this morning (👀) ☕️ There's much wisdom in David's perspectives. In bringing someone 2c or value truth, we need 2b willing to listen well and accept that it may not happen in our time clock⏰️ It takes time to build bridges 🌉 In our zeal, we should not misrepresent but be prepared n communicate arguements humbly. The saying about catching more flies with honey🍯... The point being that we can accomplish more with sweetness/kindness rather than with a caustic attitude.
For me the Sabbath was the point of entry. I was convicted as I was shown the Messiah n the apostles rested on the 7th day. 🌅
GREAT interview FULL of truth & information, thank you for having excellent interviews!!
Thank you! I really enjoy learning from your podcasts!
Do you have any recommendations for finding fellowship with other Torah observant Christian’s? I have searched but can’t seem to find a church or community near me. Feeling isolated in my new journey.
119 Ministries has a Fellowship Finder. Yeah, there can be a distance. I live almost an hour from my Fellowship in South Carolina and several drive at least as far as or further than I do.
Thinking of the Bible as it stands (current cannon):
What other book has had and will have millions of scholars for thousands of years scrutinize it and remain true?
Shalom ,good morning. love the ninja turtles lol
Ha! Yes! Good morning!
@thelifepodcast please do a documentary on the faithful remnant of the way! That would be fantastic! I feel like that would really bring a lot of honor and glory to the Father because all throughout his word and throughout time he maintained a faithful remnant and I feel like he did that for a time such as this-for his namesake. Let me know if you need any help with research, etc! ☺️
Luke!!! It seems you mentioned a Patreon account? Is it named after the podcast or the Way Doc? I’m having trouble finding it. Thanks for all yall do for the family of Yah!
Hey there! I should put it on the screen shouldn't I? It's: www.patreon.com/TheLifeWithLuke
I just had to remark about how sunny it looks where you are. When I lived in Fla there are a lot of people from Ohio and they say how they left Ohio due to never seeing any sun, always gloomy. But if always looks so sunny where you are in Ohio. Now I am wondering if they were all just pulling my leg LOL
In reference to using the new testament to test the book of enoch, we all have the benefit of hindsight on the descripton of Messiah. Im seeing what I hope is a growing trend, a few people trying to recognize who Yeshua was,, and why He was needed by using the old testament alone. if one can come to the understanding of how those who recognized Yeshua for who He was could do so without having that hindsight can bring an exploded view of our own redemption and salvation? that alone makes extra biblical text implode on itself.
So labels and names. My understanding is the word "law" should be "instructions". In the garden before the fall God walked and talked with Adam and Eve instructing them. I prefer instructions over the term law.
Im not sure why we have to label. Not sure how I would label myself. As I am a Christ follower. I seek truth and so many things including the feasts are new to me as far as realizing Ive been short changed for 58 years. But Im willing to hear and learn . Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Whole Bible believer
Messianic
We go through these disagreements in our bible study because me, my wife and son all follow the entire bible and the other 6 or 7 people are halfway Torah observant and "new testament- grace only- Sunday worshipers." I'm constantly saying, "there was no new testament teachings during and many years after Yeshua's ministry so what did he teach?!" Yehovah's law and there's a ton of scripture in the so called "new testament" (man inserted that word into the bible not Elohim) to support his commandments are our template for living a holy life, amen. But unfortunately some of them will never hear it because they don't know the shepherds voice...
Enoch 71 does not state that Enoch is the son of man. Can you provide clarity on what was stated? (that he is) Trying to understand but it does not match up with what is written...
If you're reading from R.H. Charles' translation, that might be the problem. R. H. Charles has the verse in the third person rather than the second person ("This is that Son of Man" instead of "You are that Son of Man"). Charles admits that he emended the text in 71:14 and provides the correct translation in the footnotes of his translation. Charles' emendation is based on theory about a missing passage that identifies the son of Man as someone other than Enoch, but there is no textual basis for this theory and it is unanimously rejected by scholars. We should take the text for what it actually says rather than what we think it should say, which is why all modern translations have "You are that Son of Man," identifying Enoch as this figure. See my article "Who is the Son of Man in 1 Enoch 71:14" for more info. I also have some short videos about this verse on my channel. Blessings!
@DavidWilberBlog thank you very much for the clarification. That helps a lot. Will go watch the videos suggested. Blessings to you as well.
@@mommybear8672 You're welcome!
Who shall teach us? “And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor and every man his brother…for they shall all know me….” Jeremiah 31:34; “…(Y)ou need not that any man teach you ….” 1John 2:27; “And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD ….”Isaiah 45:13; “It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall be all taught of God’….” John 6:45 “But the Comforter…shall teach you all things….” John 14:26. God alone can be trusted to Teach us (Teach with the capital T).
TEACH AND KEEP THE COMMANDS. OR YOU WILL BE LEAST IN THE KINGDOM. scoffers say your putting us under the law for salvation. no. Yeshua said youll be in the kingdom, but youll be least
True. One of the most ignored verses.
Two hours?!
Really?
I agree that two hours is a very short overview of the subjects on which they spoke. Hopefully they will expand several subjects at a later date. Whole books have been written on the history of the Christian believers in the first three centuries after the resurrection.
To much green in your color grade 😊
You're prob right. I'm still dialing that in (color is my weakness among other things!).
@TheLife_Podcast just get your whites truly white and the rest will fall in place - thanks for all you do !!
1 Enoch does NOT teach that Enoch is the messiah... When read in full context, regardless of translation issues, it does NOT call Enoch the son of man. Enoch is regarded as a prophet of YHWH; we shouldn't be so careless so as to not test the book with proper humility.
1 Enoch lines up with the 66 western canon, it doesn't line up with doctrines of men...
Respectfully, it literally does identify Enoch as the Messianic "Son of Man" in 71:14. Even R.H. Charles admits this. See the footnotes in his translation of that passage, where he gives the correct translation. There is not debate about what the text actually says. Charles thought the text should say something else, hence his emending the text to the third person. But as even Charles himself acknowledges, there is no textual basis for this emendation. The text says what it says.
The problem with the Books of the Apocrypha is that they ARE NOT Canonized Scripture...
Most Scholarly websites will caution you that they are "works of fiction" and are NOT Scripture...
(Such as the Wesleyian Bible Study Website)
The Books of the Apocrypha were also vehemently defended by the Roman Catholic Church because they supported their abominated practices such as:
1. Praying to the dead and speaking with the dead (Book of Jasher, Chapter 42:30 through 40)
2. Offering "indulgences" (2 Maccabees 12:43)
There a lot of reason they were left out of the Protestant Canon...
They don't/won't lead people to "secret knowledge"...
Only to error when what is written in them is held at higher regard than the Canonized Scripture...
"What should we call ourselves"?
Followers of Messiah...
Yeshua didn't come to start a new religion called Christianity...
And for the most part, He spoke against "Judaism"...
He didn't tell us to create "denominations"...
But if you tell anyone you are a "Follower of Messiah" you'd better talk the talk AND walk the walk...
They will know you by your fruits...
Acts 11:26
Acts 26:28
1 peter 4:16
@@timlee8424 Amen!
@@timlee8424
I looked up the verses you quoted...
People really need to understand that those verses quoted are not in the original language, but translations of translations...
Yeshua was not called "Jesus" by ANYONE in the 1st Century...
The name Jesus is an Anglicized translation of a Greek name that was an alternate name for Yehoshua (Joshua)
Mashiach (Messiah) was not called "Christ"...
Therefore, Followers of Mashiach were not called "Christians"...
And they didn't call themselves "Christians"...
Yeshua was the founder of the "Sect of the Nazarenes" referred to as "The Way"...
A "Sect" of WHAT?
NOT "Christianity"...
Can I get an amen for truth?
That's okay...
I don't expect one...
@@bawbjusbawb6471 Do you acknowledge that the Gospel and apostolic writings were written in Greek? and that the followers of yeshua inspired by the holy Spirit wrote the The gospels and apostolic writings? and if the followers of yeshua felt comfortable enough to write his name as Iēsous then The holy spirit is obviously okay with transliterations. The ORIGINAL Greek word used there is Χριστιανός or christianos. And you're right, it wouldn't have been a sect of Christianity because Christianity wasn't a formal thing at that time, so it was considered a sect of Judaism. Good job on your grasp of historical timelines. Your extremely condescending tone is noted.
Romans 12:10 ESV - Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor.
@@timlee8424
Sidenote:
You can capitalize "ORIGINAL Greek" , "Christianity", "Judaism"...
But not the Name of Messiah, Yeshua (not just once, but twice) or the Holy Spirit...
SMH...
Remember this,Torah observant folks. We CANNOT keep the appointed feasts until we are in the promised land. Read the full instructions in 👉(Deuteronomy 12 & 16, Zephaniah 3:18).
Place which He chose is Israel. And His Name is in there. (Deuteronomy 12:5). Wait until you receive your inheritance for the feasts. I never kept them.
And you are transgressing against Torah by doing the feasts in the profaned land on profaned days. The wise of Israel knew that once they were removed from the land, the feasts were prohibited by Yah's Word.
Why are you ignoring His full instructions? Apostate Torah followers?
Christianity and the Torah observant folks do the exact same thing = disobedience to His teachings.
👉(Deuteronomy 12:8-9). “Do not do as we are doing here today - each one doing whatever is right in his own eyes. Because you have not yet entered the rest and the inheritance which Yahuah your God is giving you.”
👉(Amos 8:10). “and shall turn your festivals into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation, and bring sackcloth on all loins, and baldness on every head, and shall make it like mourning for an only son, and its end like a day of bitterness.”
👉(Zephaniah 3:18). “I will gather those among you who grieve over your appointed festivals - it is a burden of shame on you.” [Because they cannot keep it].
He is NOT pleased with your festivals! (Isaiah 1:13-16, Hosea 2:11, Amos 5:21)‼️
👉(Ezekiel 22:26). “Her priests have done violence to My teaching and they profane My set-apart matters. They have not distinguished between the set-apart and profane, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean. And they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, and I am profaned in their midst.”
👉(LUKE 16:16-17). “The Torah and the prophets continue through John. Since then the reign of Yahuah is being announced, and everyone is doing
👉VIOLENCE👈 upon it.” (Ezekiel 22:26, Zephaniah 3:4, Matthew 7:23).
We "Rehearse/Memorialize the Feasts of YeHoVaH"...
The Apostle Paul tells us in:
Colossians 2:16 and 17 - 16Therefore LET NO ONE JUDGE YOU by what you eat or drink, or WITH REGARD TO A FEAST, a New Moon, or A SABBATH DAY. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.
Our "Sacrifices" for these FEASTS are BIBLICAL:
Psalm 51:16 and 17 - 16For You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; You take no pleasure in burnt offerings. 17The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.
1 Samuel 15:22 - But Samuel declared: "Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obedience to His voice? Behold, obedience is better than sacrifice, and attentiveness is better than the fat of rams.
We also present other "Acceptable sacrifices" to our High Priest, Yeshua...
Hebrews 4:14 - Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to what we profess.
Matthew 25:40 - And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’
James 1:27 - Pure and undefiled religion before our God and Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
NO days are "profane"...
"His Name is in there."
1 Corinthians 3:16 and 17 - 16 Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple, and that God’s Spirit dwells in you? 17If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him; for God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.
@@AmbassadorOfYahusha
EVERY ONE of the verses you quoted deal with observing the Feasts of YeHoVaH with rites from idolatry... (syncretizing)
I'll refer you back to Colossians 2:16 and 17...
We no doubt cannot keep them as prescribed BUT ... we can observe them .. the best we can .. in Spirit and Truth
We’re practicing. The real thing comes when we are in the land.
This is false teaching. All feasts are instructed to be done a certain way (by sacrificing/offerings - Lev 23:37) and only one place on Earth (Temple). Even the lunar calendar requires a functioning Aaronic priesthood in place. So NO to keeping feasts because we are FORBIDDEN to keep feasts. It is impossible. We are FORBIDDEN to change any of these instructions in Torah and make up new instructions like a new location and a new way and even a new reason for doing so.
Israel was vomited from the land for their sin and Hosea says this shuts down feast keeping. (Hosea 9:1-5). Why? Because feast keeping is to be done exactly as commanded. Ex 12 & 13 say it commences once in the land and Deut 12 says only one location inside that land; the Temple. So when Israel was vomited from the land, feasts CEASE according to our Father. (Hosea 2:11). In fact, Lam 1:4 says our attitude would be mournful because we are not able to keep them but one day look forward to doing so when our Messiah returns to take us to that land.
The NT participants kept the feasts because they still had a functioning priesthood and Temple. Just like we don't make an ephod full for jewels and pretend to still do what was instructed to the priests, we also don't decide the lunar calendar. It was only Aaron's line given this authority. (Num 10:8-10)
Yah commanded us to OBEY HIM. He never once said "outside of the land and ignoring the location, go ahead and memorialize them, practice them, commemorate them." You are making up a new command where one does not exist. Israel never did this in Babylon; Ezra and Nehemiah confirm this was not done in Babylon. Why are you ignoring Yah?
Thank you for sharing this information. It's necessary and needs to be read, heard, and understood.
Read, believe, and obey. HalleluYAH!
"Yah commanded us to OBEY HIM"
I'll just leave these here for you:
Exodus 12:14 - And THIS DAY WILL BE A MEMORIAL FOR YOU, and YOU ARE TO CELEBRATE IT AS A FEAST TO THE LORD, AS A PERMANENT STATUTE FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.
Exodus 12:17 - So you are to keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this very day I brought your divisions out of the land of Egypt. YOU MUST KEEP THIS DAY AS A PERMANENT STATUTE FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.
Exodus 12:24 - And you are to KEEP THIS DAY AS A PERMANENT STATUTE FOR YOU AND YOUR DESCENDANTS.
Exodus 13:10 - Therefore you shall KEEP THIS STATUTE AT THE APPOINTED TIME YEAR AFTER YEAR.
Leviticus 23:4 - These are the LORD's appointed feasts, the sacred assemblies YOU ARE TO PROCLAIM THEM AT THEIR APPOINTED TIMES.
If YeHoVaH tells us that these appointed times are to be kept in ALL our Generations...
WHO is actually "ignoring" YeHoVaH?
Can you quote a verse to me where YeHoVaH tells us NOT to observe and memorialize the Feasts?
Deuteronomy 16:11 - And thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates, and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are among you, in the place which the LORD thy God hath chosen to place his name there.
"The NT participants kept the feasts because they still had a functioning priesthood and Temple. "
Our Temple:
1 Corinthians 3:16 and 17 - 16 Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple, and that God’s Spirit dwells in you? 17If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him; for God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.
2 Corinthians 5:1 - Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is dismantled, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands.
Mark 14:58 - "We heard Him say, 'I will destroy this man-made temple, and in three days I will build another that is made without hands.'"
Our High Priest:
Hebrews 3:1 - Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, set your focus on Jesus, the apostle and high priest whom we confess.
Hebrews 4:15 - Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to what we profess.
Hebrews 5:6 - As he says also in another place, “You are a priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek.”
Hebrews 6:20 - Where Jesus has gone as a forerunner on our behalf, having become a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.
1 Peter 2:5 - You yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
Because Yeshua told us in:
Matthew 5:17 through 19 - 17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
And the Apostle Paul told us in:
Colossians 2:16 - Therefore LET NO ONE JUDGE YOU by what you eat or drink, or WITH REGARD TO A FEAST, A NEW MOON, or a Sabbath.
The TRUE meaning of this verse stated in context...
And I'll let you know in no uncertain terms...
I won't let you judge me with regard to the Feasts of YeHoVaH or New Moons...
Have a BLESSED Shabbat...
@@bawbjusbawb6471 Keep reading in Exodus 12 and read it again in Exodus 13.
Ex 12:25 When you enter the land that the Lord will give you as he promised, observe this ceremony.
Ex 13:5 When the Lord brings you into the land of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Hivites and Jebusites-the land he swore to your ancestors to give you, a land flowing with milk and honey-you are to observe this ceremony in this month.
Before reaching that land, what does Deut 12 say as a chastisement to Israel? What commands from Yah hinge on "you have not yet reached the resting place" that Israel was disobeying by "everyone doing as they see fit"?
Now when vomited from the land as Hosea 9:1-5 prophesied, what does Hosea tell us in that same passage, happens to feasts? What does Yah say happens to feasts & new moons (lunar calendar keeping) in Hosea 2:11? If He had the power to make feasts/new moons cease by the act of vomiting His people from the land, why does He not have the power over you to do the same? Is it because you ignore what you're reading and you're following man instead?
This isn't difficult. Israel knew in Babylon not to "memorialize" or any other word you want to use in its place. If Israel knew not to do this, why don't you know not to? Jeremiah wrote in Lamentations about this diaspora, "the roads to Zion mourn for no one comes to her appointed festivals." So you think Israel would answer with, "who cares....over here in Babylon we're memorializing those appointed festivals and no one is mourning"? Because that is exactly what you are saying. You're reading the word "olam" and just deciding for yourself its implications while ignoring the rest of the text. Did you know that the Levitical priesthood is also "olam"? You can read it. It says "OLAM" and therefore it must mean we are to keep it going, right? Just like you're doing with feasts? Are you donning an ephod too and making intercession because of that word? Are you receiving sacrifices? Consulting an Urim and Thummim as well? Those instructions were only given to priests too so to be consistent, you would have to also "memorialize" them because of the word "olam" right? Or do all of these instructions, including feast keeping and new moons (lunar calendar) REQUIRE a functioning Temple in Jerusalem with a functioning priesthood?
A good exercise for you to do is take one of the feasts and write out all of the instructions for it. Then tell me how you're obeying Yah's instructions without ignoring what He says to do and making up your own.
Start with the lunar calendar. What tribe and ONLY tribe was given authority to declare when it is Aviv 1 or Adar Bet 1? This sets the whole feast cycle so show me who Yah says is to do this for Israel. Show me anywhere in all of scripture that someone else or someone from another tribe is to take on the instructions only given to Aaron's line of Levitical priests.
Where does Yah say men must go to keep the feasts? He's very specific in Deut 12. Where is that place; the only place allowed?
What does Lev 23:37 say is Yah's reason for keeping feasts? If that reason cannot be done, all you are doing is coming up with your own reason, right? Because you can see clearly what Yah says is His reason for keeping them and obviously that does not matter to you or your group; you have your own reason to do what you are doing, right?
Jeroboam did three things that you are doing. He decided the lunar calendar date for a feast without an Aaronic priest. He decided a different location other than what Torah said. And in doing both, he decided his way to keep feasts were to be followed by the people instead of Yah's. What happened to Jeroboam and his whole family as a result? What is going to happen to everyone who is doing the same, especially those "ministries" who are telling people to follow along with them and ignore Yah? It won't end well, that's for sure.
Keep reading in Exodus 12 and read it again in Exodus 13. Ex 12:25 When you enter the land that the Lord will give you as he promised, observe this ceremony. Ex 13:5 When the Lord brings you into the land of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Hivites and Jebusites-the land he swore to your ancestors to give you, a land flowing with milk and honey-you are to observe this ceremony in this month.
Before reaching that land, what does Deut 12 say as a chastisement to Israel? What commands from Yah hinge on "you have not yet reached the resting place" that Israel was disobeying by "everyone doing as they see fit"? Now when vomited from the land as Hosea 9:1-5 prophesied, what does Hosea tell us in that same passage, happens to feasts? What does Yah say happens to feasts & new moons (lunar calendar keeping) in Hosea 2:11? If He had the power to make feasts/new moons cease by the act of vomiting His people from the land, why does He not have the power over you to do the same? Is it because you ignore what you're reading and you're following man instead?
This isn't difficult. Israel knew in Babylon not to "memorialize" or any other word you want to use in its place. If Israel knew not to do this, why don't you know not to? Jeremiah wrote in Lamentations about this diaspora, "the roads to Zion mourn for no one comes to her appointed festivals." So you think Israel would answer with, "who cares....over here in Babylon we're memorializing those appointed festivals and no one is mourning"? Because that is exactly what you are saying. You're reading the word "olam" and just deciding for yourself its implications while ignoring the rest of the text. Did you know that the Levitical priesthood is also "olam"? You can read it. It says "OLAM" and therefore it must mean we are to keep it going, right? Just like you're doing with feasts? Are you donning an ephod too and making intercession because of that word? Are you receiving sacrifices? Consulting an Urim and Thummim as well? Those instructions were only given to priests too so to be consistent, you would have to also "memorialize" them because of the word "olam" right? Or do all of these instructions, including feast keeping and new moons (lunar calendar) REQUIRE a functioning Temple in Jerusalem with a functioning priesthood?
A good exercise for you to do is take one of the feasts and write out all of the instructions for it. Then tell me how you're obeying Yah's instructions without ignoring what He says to do and making up your own. Start with the lunar calendar. What tribe and ONLY tribe was given authority to declare when it is Aviv 1 or Adar Bet 1? This sets the whole feast cycle so show me who Yah says is to do this for Israel.
Show me anywhere in all of scripture that someone else or someone from another tribe is to take on the instructions only given to Aaron's line of Levitical priests. Where does Yah say men must go to keep the feasts? He's very specific in Deut 12. Where is that place; the only place allowed? What does Lev 23:37 say is Yah's reason for keeping feasts? If that reason cannot be done, all you are doing is coming up with your own reason, right? Because you can see clearly what Yah says is His reason for keeping them and obviously that does not matter to you or your group; you have your own reason to do what you are doing, right?
Jeroboam did three things that you are doing. He decided the lunar calendar date for a feast without an Aaronic priest. He decided a different location other than what Torah said. And in doing both, he decided his way to keep feasts were to be followed by the people instead of Yah's. What happened to Jeroboam and his whole family as a result? What is going to happen to everyone who is doing the same, especially those "ministries" who are telling people to follow along with them and ignore Yah? It won't end well, that's for sure.
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"This isn't difficult. Israel knew in Babylon not to "memorialize" or any other word you want to use in its place."
Exodus 12:14 - And THIS DAY WILL BE A MEMORIAL FOR YOU, and YOU ARE TO CELEBRATE IT AS A FEAST TO THE LORD, AS A PERMANENT STATUTE FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.
Can you tell me what these words mean?
1. Memorial
2. Permanent
1 Kings 13:33 and 34 - 33Even after these events, Jeroboam did not repent of his evil ways, but again he appointed priests for the high places from every class of people. He ordained anyone who desired to be a priest of the high places. 34And THIS was the sin of the house of Jeroboam that led to its extermination and destruction from the face of the earth.
Jeroboam appointed his OWN priests... (Our High Priest has already been appointed by YeHoVaH)
Jeroboam also made his OWN feast days...
He wasn't observing the Feast Days of YeHoVaH...
No one that I know of has an altar in their backyard sacrificing lambs and goats...
And they certainly aren't appointing their own priests...
Where is that place; the only place allowed?
1 Corinthians 3:16 and 17 - 16Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple, and that God’s Spirit dwells in you? 17If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him; for God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.
John 4:20 through 24 - 20Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews say that the place where one must worship is in Jerusalem.” 21“Believe Me, woman,” Jesus replied, “a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22You worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”
"Show me anywhere in all of scripture that someone else or someone from another tribe is to take on the instructions only given to Aaron's line of Levitical priests."
There is none...
So you don't offer animal sacrifices to the priests then. SIMPLE?
We don't "make up our own" as you claim...
Our sacrifices include:
Psalm 51:16 and 17 - 16For You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; You take no pleasure in burnt offerings. 17The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.
1 Samuel 15:22 - But Samuel declared: "Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obedience to His voice? Behold, obedience is better than sacrifice, and attentiveness is better than the fat of rams.
YeHoVaH's Word states these ARE Acceptable Sacrifices. WHO are you to say they aren't?
You tell people not to do things the Scriptures tell us are permanent.
You tell people not to keep the 7th Day Sabbath
Psalm 50:16 and 17 - 16To the wicked, however, God says, “What right have you to recite My statutes and to bear My covenant on your lips? 17For you hate My instruction and cast My words behind you.
After what he did to Jim Staley, I just can’t trust anything he says. Sorry.
What did he do?
What did he do to Jim Stanley? I am curious to know.