Iannis Xenakis - Pithoprakta (w/ graphical score)
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Iannis Xenakis (1922-2001)
Pithoprakta (1955-56), for orchestra
Recording :
Arturo Tamayo, Luxembourg Philharmonic Orchestra
Timpani recordings, 2008
Graphical score :
Pierre Carré
This was a favorite of my granny. She always used to sing this while knitting.
That’s awesome!
🤣🤣🤣
Yo I’m dying 😂😂
lmaooo
This is not a joke for me, for I am from the future and my grandma is an advanced machine.
This is doing wonders for my mental health!
I can only imagine
I imagine this is what insanity sounds like.
@@ILoveMagic15 this is exact opposition of insanity, this is math.
then you won't want to listen to everywhere at the end of time huh
@@solarean k
for those genuinely curious, Xenakis was very much a math man. He tried to make music which was representational of forces in nature. E.G. chaotic functions such as the math which tries to explain Brownian motion. Take those functions, zoom in, zoom out (making different densities but consistent in form) then make the form of the piece consistent with the micro structures within.
Yeah it very much struck me how the form suggests similarities with pattern-finding in chaotic statistical samples
@@marcosgruchka2254 totally. overlapping boundary conditions is one way of looking at it. I like your way better.
If you think *that's* impressive, check out the spot around 2:23 where he totally drew a whale.
@@NovemberXXVII To paraphrase Schumann's critique of Berlioz' "Symphonie Fantastique': "If he wanted to represent chaos, he could not have succeeded more admirably."
@@NovemberXXVII XD
This is a certified hood classic.
amen
Xenakis was so gangsta that he fought British tanks in the streets of Athens and was blinded in one eye by shrapnel from tank fire.
After hearing this, I grew wings and now I can fly.
*Hol' up.*
Nostalgic Profile.
Anyone listening to this during quarantine and thinking how marvelous music is to lift up your spirits?
Listening to this makes me want to kill myself.
I mean, this did make me laugh a lot, so I don't know if you're being serious XD
@@ILoveMagic15 yeah.. my teacher gave us homework but instead of homework she said to listen to THIS OUT OF EVERYTHING and i really really wanna die rn.
this genuinly makes me happy, also my kids seems to enjoy it
@@baloothedrummerThat is nice, I love this too musically.
Lots of people clowning on this in the comments but I genuinely have to wonder how musicians play music like this in a way that makes it seem random. Every note you hear is something deliberately played, but it _sounds_ like random noise. It's ordered chaos. Genuinely, truly sublime.
I totally agree with you, it is not crap, it would take me longer to learn this instead of Jazz for example.
nah
@@bramvlin6743 great argument socrates
@@bramvlin6743 would you win tho? Don't think so
A LOT of counting/subcounting and listening to previous renditions at an ultra slow speed with metronome practice.
8:27 - 9:20 is based on resonance in an oscillating system, an actual physical phenomenon
a spectacular example of it in real life is when seismic waves in an earthquake hit buildings at their resonant frequency, and cause buildings to literally shake themselves apart
Woow this is awesome, how do you know that ?
@@simonhoarau-piano9679 I learned about resonance in A-level physics (many, many years ago); it's a very recognisable pattern
@@lefthandedspanner I see. This is super cool, thank you for sharing it :)
@@simonhoarau-piano9679 no worries!
There is , of course, a difference between saying that the passage is reminiscent of the phenomenon of resonance, which it may be, and saying that the passage is "based on resonance", which is presumptuous in the absence of further evidence. Xenakis wrote using general stochastic processes -it seems likely that what you mention is at best an emergent feature of the music.
Ah, “A beginning orchestra moving their instruments to another room”, my favorite piece
Indeed. After this performance,I would gladly watch,again and again my favourite Fed. Fellini's film,the masterpiece "Prova d'orchestra".
@@yp3424 Very funny comment! Thanks for the mental image. I used to play bass in a particular big band where the leader/drummer's solos were best described as taking the drum set to the top of a flight of stairs and then giving them a good kick! Here's me trying to get that big fat chord from the Rite of Spring under my fingers: ruclips.net/video/V-6sDc7ojDM/видео.html
so interesting to see the commentaries ... experimental music really seems to meet new people, not just its aficionados, in this way. Thank you RUclips for broadening the public sphere...
some comments make you laugh too
my composition teacher Tomas Svoboda said a number of times "it's not experimental if you know what you want".
experimental music brings together pretentious insane people that think they have met god.
@@Whatismusic123 Just saw you answer my comment, so you're really just going around this comment section trying to discredit people who like this piece? Fuck off, twat.
@@Whatismusic123 what are you talking about? I am God! 💀
Prelude: string quartet in popcorn factory in xd minor.
by this point my neighbour must think that I'm a serial killer
*2:58** intensifies*
Are you?! I didn't get the memo. I was too busy plotting against everyone!
Xenakis was no fan of serialism lol
@@UtsyoChakrabortythat pun...
As a die-hard fan of Probability, this piece should be played at all maths tests..... after all this is what the candidates experience during the test 😁😁😂😂
I don't feel this composition aesthetic or beautiful, but i'm just stuck with it. I wanted to exit the video during all time, but something had stopping me, i have listened whole thing with cursor on a button close tab to very end. Now i realize, this is interesting piece of art, what had holding me with some unexplained way. I think, this is one of most important thing about art- "penetrate" into people mind, no matter, comfortable and habitual ways or in any other ways.
I agree with you. Every so often I skipped 10 seconds, but something doesn't let me stop. Beautiful
I think it is called the fascination with madness and its representatives.
Ivan Alekseev
I found something very compelling about it, quite refreshing in fact, and it is difficult to explain why. But I think the combination of the music and the graphic score was essential to the unfolding drama. The music by itself would probably have left me cold after a few minutes.
where are you?
I'm in here!
Am I the only one bothered by the tiny delay
Nope
You're not alone in this one buddy. It really is fucking frustrating.
I thought I was being obsessive, thank you for relieving me
Once I get used to it I'm ok but it is offputting
Ha! me too.
This is so oddly incredibly soothing
you must be insane then
Great tune but it’s gonna be stuck in my head for days now!
Wow!! The graphic score is so cool, in a sense more tangible than monocrome notes on the 5 lines... This was written while Xenakis was working with Le Corbusier as an architect...
I heard this piece for the first time by radio from Chillan, Chile, in the 60s by the Symphonic Orchestra of Radio Nacional of Buenos Aires. It was my introduction to experimental music (stocastic in this case I think). I was astonished, jaw dropping and fascinated. Just like today.
Black midi before black midi was cool
You could have named so many more accurate projects
@@halcyonrain2209 I'm pretty sure he's referring to the music style, not the band
This is more of a file to midi thing than a black midi
Eventually one has to ask : What in the world is in this persons mind to crank out such...extraordinary music .. ? Always has been amazing and is pure cacaphony to a lot of ears .
this is not music pretentious fuck.
gotta be honest, this is the first time that I wasn't utterly bored with Xenakis, but that is solely because of this video. It seems that I can't really get Xenakis' music on it's own, i need this visual stimulation. With it, the whole experience is quite enjoyable.
The visual pairing was actually VERY important to Xenakis
you're looking at pictures and pretending that they are related to the sound.
@@Whatismusic123 if the musicians are playing the graphical score, they are.
i heard this piece performed live by a symphony for the first time when i was 7. it gave me nightmares. still remember it though
Reading the notation really explains everything, at first I've liked his music but still was skeptical on how it was so closely related to architecture and math as it claimed to be. But it all makes sense when watching the notation, and I think this is how newcomers should be initially exposed to it, the music is so mathematical that the notation and the sound are one in the same in my opinion.
you're looking at pictures and pretending that what you're hearing has anything to do with it.
this has no relationship with architecture and math, this is merely a correlation derived from it you pretentious idiot.
Fantastic to finally see the score with the music. You're doing great work!
would be better without the music
There's a mistake at 6:14. What a shame.
I don't think that's the score, but a graphical representation of the sonic events...
Yep. The score is pretty conventional, but this gives us a clear global idea of what's going on and of the different structures at play. And it's really cool to find Xenakis' preparatory sketches actually figured in the final result. (as in 2:38 - compare to Musiques Formelles, ch.1 p.19: www.iannis-xenakis.org/MF/Chapitre-I.pdf)
This is impressive. The graphical score gives us an idea of Xenakis as an extreme and frustrated architect, whose materials could only match his ambitions in sound.
Incredible! It took me a while to get accustomed to this kind of music, but I'm starting to really get it and enjoy it. Hats off to Xenakis!
La représentation graphique rend l'expérience encore meilleure ! De mon point de vue, cela confirme qu'il s'agit indéniablement d'une pièce troublante et marquante. Merci pour ce partage.
Whenever I've had a really bad day, I close my eyes and listen to this piece. The sheer beauty of this exceptional work of art elevates my soul and gives me back my love for life. Bach, Beethoven, Schubert are nothing compared to the genius who composed this. Utterly beautiful...
This is what I would classify horror music opera. I truly appreciate this track after so many years. This piece reflects the emotion of a deranged/ yet focused man. It truly manifests the psych of characters with severe mental disorders. The roller coaster of sounds (emotions), the seemingly inconsistency (torment of thoughts) distrubted by brief moments of chaos (anxiety).
What a smart way to look at a genius composition! Thank you so much for your videos!!
This is one of the coolest things I've ever seen/heard/experienced. Thank you for posting this!
The original ASMR
This is such brilliant music and to see it with the score makes you realise how skilled and imaginative Xenakis was. Just amazing. And really fascinating.
I love this kind of music, 2:57 = big smile and goosebumps
This visuals can be read as axionometric, which makes them 3-dimensional. What you see is architecture drawn by the sound.
Sure, xenakis was archtiect and took inspiration for his music from architecture and mathematics
"I don't get it". "Would you get it if it was a horror movie soundtrack?" "Yes." "Then you've got it."
Kubrick could have used it in the shining in some parts. To good effect.
I never saw a single horror movie in my life and I still love this. And it doesn’t sound like something horrible to me... I’m thinking that it’s much more interesting and fun not to think about wether or not we “get it” but rather what we “get from it” lol sorry for the cringy wordplay
horror soundtracks use screeching noises because it causes an instinctual reaction of anxiety, not because they are made to become great art, and explore the limits of music, this is completely insane, and is presented as something that is not music, but noise, where stupid people have the idea, that if you feel emotion like anxiety, the creator of it is a genious, not someone placing random noise all over the place and fooling stupid people and themselves into thinking that it is genious.
@@Whatismusic123 A lot of famous horror and SF movie soundtracks were written by respected composers and have entered the popular imagination as much as any pop song - or any Beethoven symphony.
Take Bernard Herrmann, conductor of the CBS Symphony Orchestra and the composer of the famous "screeching strings" in Psycho. Think of the theme in Jaws, which no one can listen to without doing a shark impersonation. Also, some film directors have used famous classical works exactly *because* they sound weird and disturbing. Stanley Kubrick used Bartok's Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta for The Shining, and Ligeti's Requiem in 2001: a Space Odyssey. There, it's as effective in suggesting the frighteningly alien as "The Blue Danube" is in suggesting the man-made grandeur of space stations.
As for music intended to "cause an instinctual reaction of anxiety", try Berlioz's 'Symphony Fantasque' or Mussorgsky's 'Night on the Bare Mountain' - which frightened me silly when I was a kid.
Just because music doesn't sound 'nice' doesn't mean it isn't music.
@@guscairns1 are you stupid or so you not understand a thing I said.
When you make a bunch of indtruments create screeching noises meant to grate your ears and cause anxiety, it is not music, you're creating effects.
Music has always had an abstract definition, where something is considered music, when built upon comparing it to what people do consider music. There are rules on what is considered music, and sorry to say, screeching sounds is not something anyone is gonna listen to.
It is called a sound track, not a music track.
Thanks very much for posting this. It reveals so much about the way the piece unfolds and is made. Bravo!
10:25 finally something I can actually play on violin
This graphics kills it...common We defenetelly need more of these!!!
What you did with the score is phenomenal! Thank you!
Thank you so much for making my last freaking stormy night way easier tp understand with graphics
Love this piece. Excellent textures.
Wow, this is a masterpiece. I'm a newcomer to experimental music, I searched about Xenakis beforehand and that makes this even more enjoyable to me. Blown away :D
It really sounds good....it does something for my whole ' being '....
like a lot of his stuff
It's a very curious piece. Not for everyone but I liked it. Xenakis was great at creating sound worlds (often quite scary ones!). Is it music - of course. Music is pitch [mostly], rhythm, harmony, timbre and silence. So this is music, so is Justin Bieber, even bloody Cliff Richard. It boils down to what floats your boat and what doesn't. Loved the graphics. The first part reminded me of computer programming in the very old days (punch cards).
This music made my cats immediately try to find the source of those noises. I think the percussion sounds like bugs to them.
Is it u, Mr. Bug-Eyed Earl?
Maybe they were surprised by a human listening to some real music
i think cats cannot hear those frequencies
no, it sounds like random noise and is irritating to them dumbass
you literally cannot hear bugs you moron
every scroll revealing another block of music brings on an ominous feeling, a new horrific and daunting visualization of such masterful complexity and unnerving sound.
I don’t want to know what the sheet music looks like
I do, it must be fascinating.
It's pretty normal-looking, actually. Apart from some glissandi and some precise rhythms, it's pretty much a conventional score.
its meant to be experianced without the score, this way it kinda seems like its sensationalism, its meant to be heard without the score
@@athenavincent112 So this is the final score ? There is no interpret sheets where different sections get a version without other instrument's voices ?
This is not the final score, this is the graphic score that he created and likely used during composition. Everything on here has been translated into traditional musical notation, with individual musicians each reading a part.
Merci pour cette partition graphique c'est une merveille !!
Genius! sound patterns invoking chaos and order at the same time. One of the greatest musical ideas of the 20th century.
So emotional, I'm in tears.
Will be my wedding song ❤️
Thanks for the superb upload. I have always loved this particular work.
Like a living organism...
Stunning - I photocopied the book Formalised Music by Xenakis and it is my Bible. Great graphical score .... encore!!!
I'm forwarding this to my mechanical music friends as a "Check out this piano roll!"
I knew this musician from Milan Kundera's book, Une rencontre. He mentioned Xenakis' music confering him in his and his country's darkest period of time. But he was a pure listener without any idea of Xenakis' music. He was just so eager that he need Xenakis' music. I am so wondering Xenakis' music. It is very difficult for me to understand Xenakis' music,too. However I can appreciate it in its balance of different noises (? or sound only ). That is amazing....very similar with the structure of classical music but its all new.....
2:20 a whale!
i love that kind of oscillation near the end - it's computer noises made with acoustic instruments. absolutely insane.
"The Shining" comes to mind.
Me to.
Finally stumbled upon this side. For couple years i forced myself to listen to the radio all through my sleep because there was nothing interesting in me. This is the type of shit I'd horror through in a sleep paralysis way, already sweated by the time was conscious waiting for the piece to pass. This, people speaking in bubbles, hundreds of voices speaking, 15 minutes of a woman taking inhuman pauses showing her breakdown. Waking up to organic sundown. Honestly quit this wrenching routine cause couldn't find the pieces afterwards, nonexistent on google
This representation is really accurate, wow.
Bravo. Absolutely great. Thank you for your effort.
the dog is melting
reading my mind . . .
Everyone has the right to their opinion, but this is a fantastic piece and the graphic notation helps so much to understand what is happening. Many thanks!
how to understand this music?
Adam's Channel with a lot of years in school hahaha, you don’t need to understand everything, just enjoy and try to understand what it makes you feel
You're right )
Angelicmashups sounds like utter shit
completely relax and let if flow over you a few times. Doesn't have to be on the same day!
This is not music. Glad to help.
thank you for sharing the score! that makes it so much easier to understand the music. Great work!
To me, it sounds like insects crawling under the floor... truly unsettling, and I love it. The point of music is to evoke emotions, and this piece does that quite well.
it is really those unexplored impressions that make this kind of music cool.
that is your own delusions, not the "music" at work, do not coincide your insanity to genious of a garbage composer.
@@Whatismusic123 It's called an interpretation. It is no more delusional than any other interpretation of any other piece of music.
@@asukalangleysoryu6695 except you don't intrepret shit when listening to music reasonably, there is understanding, and then there is making up understanding when you can't think of one.
you are essentially wondering how babies are made, and because you can't figure it out, you make up a story that a stork carries babies to the parents and that is where babies come from, it is not the truth, it is a lie you built to make yourself believe you understand something, because you can't admit that you don't.
@@Whatismusic123 Laughable. You clearly do not understand art on any level. I'm not gonna waste my time with you.
It's pretty neat being able to see the conceptual layout of the piece!
I dedicated this song to my girlfriend and she left me
i've been looking for this for days, damn theme that just wouldnt get off my mind
But thanks very much for the video, it was enjoyable to watch this wonderful early Xenakis work in a more visual form
this was performed in 2008. Whew! We have an exponent at play and it is 12 years later.
The Trombone score is just AMAZING...
What I find endlessly fascinating here is not so much the sound of it, but rather the attempt to find sonic representation of the original thought processes that were at work during the job of composing the piece. Imagine if someone invented a way to record as a sonic event the interpretation of a digestive process inside a human body in the aftermath of consuming a large meal... Pithoprakta might just be a literal sonic translation of Xenakis's brain activity.
An aleatoric expanse... 🕸
It makes me feel suspended by threads... got a bit lost but enjoyed it.
This was a fascinating score visually and musically. *Thanks for posting!*
Xenakis ventured where even Varèse dared not tread.
Y. X. is our all master of rhythm , mathematical structure und sound pressure...
Nice is my favorite piece
pierre, I just discovered this channel of yours, it's amazing, and thanks a lot for sharing this with all of us. Just one question / suggestion: is it possible for you to upload the pdf of these graphical scores? would be a great thing, I think. Thanks again for your effort into doing this! hugs from Italy!
Sounds from Planet Earth: dead and living things, beings, machines. Ear how strange it sounds, how strange we sound.
it is... terrifying
the music really does have a soul, although, I wouldn't listen to it daily.
Xenakis is one of the few ultramodern/experimental composers whose music I find tolerable. And it took me years to get to this point.
It's a long road, sir . :)
It's like vegemite. An acquired taste
Is that like Tofu ?
R Gray vegemite? It is a bitter and salty spread made from brewers yeast iirc. Apparently Australians spread a thin layer of it on their toast. Then they eat the toast, which is the amazing part. Tofu is made from soybeans... I like it in Chinese dishes but I imagine tofu-based imitation meat is an acquired taste.
R Gray I've only just gotten to the point where I'm INDIFFERENT to Milton Babbitt 😆
音の華麗な建築美！
Such fun. Thank you so much.
What happened at 8:25? Did Tamayo make a cut, was the score revised, or is it an editing error?
Tempo rubato. Or maybe molto accelerando.
The part after that is cool
I really enjoyed this. Thank you.
8:26-10:05 is my favorite
very cool, another commenter mentioned this as an example for how earthquakes behave in nature (much more eloquently)
that hurt to listen to. Thanks.
Sounds like that chaotic moment of tuning in an inexperiencied orchestra but with an order and direction. Great.
There was a wrong note in the cello section at 6:27. :-)
If they only they play this while I'm shopping at Whole Foods, how much I more I would enjoy the experience, rather than rushing as quickly as possible to get in and out so I don't have to listen to 60's classic rock garbage every time i go.
I had a stroke trying to read this...
Thank you forma sharing this wonderful work!
Congratulations, amazingly done! I would love to see the graphic score in its totality on one page, I wonder what the structure of the whole looks like. Is that possible?
This music could only accompany lovecraftian imagery
Who is lovercraftian?
Close to your impression, this music brought right before my eyes the scheme of hubris (bewilderment/mental blindness - vengeance - hubris - wrath - (but no) purification).
Gabriele Gagliardi as in H. P. Lovecraft
If so, then Lovecraft doesn't sound bad as I thought...
The music of Erich Zann
I'm glad this has over 400K views
With which programming language is this graphic made?
one could program this visually in supercollider
This sounds like the kind of track playing during a horror stealth segment in a video game
Just as I thought Penderecki’s Hiroshima piece was the most unsettling music of all time...