Iannis Xenakis - Keqrops 1986

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  • Iannis Xenakis - Keqrops, for piano and orchestra.
    Mikhail Dubov, piano.
    State Academic Symphony Orchestra of Russia (named Yevgeny Svetlanov)
    Fedor Lednev, conductor
    III Festival "The Other Space"
    Moscow Concert Hall Tchaikovsky, December 9, 2012
    (Note: I don't own this video. My intention is only to spread this magnificent work. If there's any copyright problem with it, please contact me and I'll remove it immediatly)
    Янис Ксенакис
    «Keqrops» для фортепиано и оркестра (1986)
    Михаил Дубов, фортепиано
    Государственный академический симфонический оркестр России
    имени Е. Ф. Светланова под управлением Фёдора Леднёва
    III фестиваль «Другое пространство»
    Москва, концертный зал имени П. И. Чайковского, 9 декабря 2012 года
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Комментарии • 94

  • @m3r3l3j
    @m3r3l3j 3 года назад +24

    i was there! the hall, which is one of the biggest in moscow, was indeed almost completely empty and i had virtually the whole left section to myself... the concert must've been an absolute commercial failure, but it definitely was a splendid performance and definitely one of the best ever of monsieur dubov

  • @ciararespect4296
    @ciararespect4296 Год назад +2

    Catchy tune. I played along to this a split second later with my headphones on.

  • @curingd
    @curingd Год назад +2

    Every new Xenakis piece that I'd somehow not heard before melts my face. Thanks!

  • @michaelvalentini4869
    @michaelvalentini4869 Год назад +2

    Excellent performance, one of the best ''Keqrops '' that I've heard. Dubov reminds us that the piano is 88 tuned drums.

  • @johnappleseed8369
    @johnappleseed8369 7 лет назад +38

    Best video on RUclips at the moment!
    One of Xenakis' greatest or orchestral works, with a very beautifully filmed video. what more could you ask for? :)

  • @pmarq32
    @pmarq32 4 года назад +4

    I've spent a considerable amount of time trying to digest Xenakis' music over my life. I don't generally worship or disdain him, and I have a very mixed opinion over the span of his work. I do find this piece, and this performance, remarkable. I'm happy to get some new insight.

  • @alejov923
    @alejov923 10 лет назад +10

    Thanks for this video!!! It's great to see Xenakis' pieces in a live performance. The audio does not make justice to this music. It needs to be seen also.

  • @hadenplouffe3976
    @hadenplouffe3976 7 лет назад +16

    I wish it was possible to get a hold of Xenakis' sketches for this piece, the score is very enlightening but the matter of its formal organization has me very curious. I've seen papers making reference to how he received some inspiration from an entry in Scientific American, and there apparently used to be a PDF of such items in his estate that would've included his notes. Unfortunately my attempts to track that down have been in vain and it's quite a pity because there's some fascinating stuff here- For example the chords during the opening piano solo start out grouped by the Fibonacci series but then digress. There's a lot of canonic imitation with rhythmic distortion, etc etc. I just wish there was more written about this one because it really is one of his finest works.
    (btw, 8, 5, 8, 21, 3, 1, 2, then it diverges to 14, 2 and 6)

  • @ВладимирАнатольевичЧернов

    Чудесная, прекрасная музыка с очень богатой фантазией автора. Грандиозно!

    • @JohannSebastianBach-1685
      @JohannSebastianBach-1685 Год назад

      У вас очень странные музыкальные вкусы.....

    • @ВладимирАнатольевичЧернов
      @ВладимирАнатольевичЧернов Год назад

      @@JohannSebastianBach-1685 А у Вас очень ограниченные вкусы. И все, что выходит за рамки вашего восприятия для вас странно.

    • @JohannSebastianBach-1685
      @JohannSebastianBach-1685 Год назад

      @@ВладимирАнатольевичЧернов так уж и быть , соглашусь с вами.

    • @ВладимирАнатольевичЧернов
      @ВладимирАнатольевичЧернов Год назад +1

      @@JohannSebastianBach-1685 С уважением отношусь к вашему вкусу и выбору. Мы привыкли оценивать музыку по мелодии. Здесь другой, непривычный подход. Звуковое сочетание строится не на мелодической основе, а на других законах созвучия, внутренних ощущениях автора, передаваемых через инструменты. Связь диссонирующих звуков обнаруживается в другой плоскости музыкальных ощущений. И когда начинаешь это ощущать, то состояние исполнителя становится созвучным нашему восприятию. Это новое направление приближающее к восприятию космической "Музыки Сфер". Наилучших вам пожеланий

    • @JohannSebastianBach-1685
      @JohannSebastianBach-1685 Год назад

      @@ВладимирАнатольевичЧернов спасибо за пожелания , и за то , что рассказали мне , было приятно прочитать и понять , всего хорошего

  • @a.whatfish8217
    @a.whatfish8217 3 месяца назад

    Fab.

  • @spacedrifter1004
    @spacedrifter1004 4 года назад +3

    I mean, how do you compose such music? Let alone perform! Hats off.

  • @tomphillpotts
    @tomphillpotts 9 лет назад +8

    I much prefer this recording to the Abbado/Woodward interpretation. This one is more subtle and less aggressive. Very nice!

    • @pianomanhere
      @pianomanhere 8 лет назад +8

      +Tom Phillpotts : Agreed...many performances of Xenakis' music seem almost to affirm the erroneous notions that (1) "It's just all noise" or (2) "It's just sound clouds."... This recording of Keqrops actually enables one to hear many of the distinct instrumental voices and patterns... very fine recording indeed.

  • @christopherperezkuwahara1891
    @christopherperezkuwahara1891 2 года назад +1

    How surprisingly catchy for Xenakis

  • @pmarq32
    @pmarq32 6 лет назад +3

    At some point, I was a huge fan of Xenakis, but lost favor with some of his pieces. I have to say this piece is amazing. Beautiful performance and video crafting.

  • @thefxbip315
    @thefxbip315 2 года назад

    Just stunning! wow!

  • @theo9952
    @theo9952 7 лет назад +6

    A gargantuan composition no doubt.

  • @brianmorgan4623
    @brianmorgan4623 3 года назад +1

    Astonishing!

  • @pianomanhere
    @pianomanhere 7 лет назад

    This piece reminds me very much of some of the music of Poul Ruders.. Thank you for posting... one of the best Xenakis uploads on RUclips :-)

    • @pianomanhere
      @pianomanhere 7 лет назад +1

      ...or perhaps it's RUDERS' music that reminds me of Xenakis'... X probably influenced R..

  • @dariocapasso92
    @dariocapasso92 5 лет назад +25

    An almost empty auditorium, that's a shame.

    • @pawdaw
      @pawdaw 5 лет назад +1

      perhaps this was a rehearsal

    • @spacedrifter1004
      @spacedrifter1004 4 года назад +5

      @@pawdaw nah, nobody dresses up like this for rehearsals

    • @mutantbananas1
      @mutantbananas1 4 года назад +5

      For real thought this was during corona time because of that

  • @michaelberridge1934
    @michaelberridge1934 9 лет назад +6

    Thrilled to hear a new performance, and actually get to see it aswell. I find this work to be very violent, and so a good way to express my tensions! Thanks for the upload. (The absence of an audience suggests this is rehearsal).

  • @PNDComposer
    @PNDComposer 3 года назад +1

    Fascinating to listen to! I wonder, in a non-leading question kind of way, what the experience of performing it is for the orchestra. I'm sure it's fun/powerful/exhausting for the soloist or they wouldn't do it in the first place, but for the 3rd oboe, say, or the 2nd trombone, is being part of the piece a wild, amazing ride? Is it just exhausting?

  • @OreoSmithOfficial
    @OreoSmithOfficial 2 года назад

    0:01 When you close the door too hard after Mom told you to go to your room:

  • @panosbrinos2680
    @panosbrinos2680 6 лет назад

    Thank you for the upload!

  • @ivank.357
    @ivank.357 6 лет назад

    Great piece of music, great performance

  • @pmarq32
    @pmarq32 5 лет назад +7

    Octave B-flats?? In Stochastic music, this is the equivalent of winning the Powerball Lottery. Possibly somewhat contrived. Nice piece and excellent performance otherwise.

    • @CalamityInAction
      @CalamityInAction 4 года назад +1

      I mean it sounds nice, so I give it a pass

  • @josephhapp9
    @josephhapp9 Год назад +1

    Cancer medications washed down with Red Wine helped compose this.

  • @machida5114
    @machida5114 3 года назад

    quite good ...

  • @johnatwell2753
    @johnatwell2753 7 лет назад +2

    A great contrast to Abbado/Woodward. Just goes to show. Yes, this piece is the most balls-out, uncompromising piece Xenakis ever wrote. OK, maybe Erikhthon... or Synaphaï (Hiroaki Ooï playing piano Michiyoshi Inoue conducting LIVE performance on RUclips ruclips.net/video/9pBMxp8EJFA/видео.html!) It is what it is, you either like it or you don't.

    • @alejov923
      @alejov923 7 лет назад +2

      John Atwell I love Xenakis, but I think that nothing can surpass the intensity and violence of Jonchaies. I find Keqrops interesting, but not so much to say I love it.

    • @johnatwell2753
      @johnatwell2753 7 лет назад

      I have Arturo Tamayo's version of Jonchaies, and it doesn't do much for me... maybe another version is better?

    • @hadenplouffe3976
      @hadenplouffe3976 7 лет назад

      Naama might be a solid contender for the most balls out and uncompromising thing Xenakis wrote... But this will always be my favorite, and one of my favorite scores of all time.

  • @yagiz885
    @yagiz885 2 года назад

    5:33 cadenza

  • @mintdb8365
    @mintdb8365 2 года назад +1

    Such a shame!! Empty hall!! The Moscow’s audience should definitely sharpen their musical taste! Be more open minded to New Music!

  • @runner0075
    @runner0075 3 года назад +4

    They just do what they want and stop when they are all tired. Believe me.

  • @CalamityInAction
    @CalamityInAction 4 года назад

    Ludwig Van Beethoven, you found me! (ignore if not Beethoven)

    • @CalamityInAction
      @CalamityInAction 3 года назад

      @𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙𒈙 Don’t rub it in

  • @mariegrevor1018
    @mariegrevor1018 4 года назад +1

    Quelle bizarrerie, cette musique de Xenakis!
    Je ne parle pas de la direction d'orchestre, ni de la virtuosité des musiciens, mais du compositeur himself.
    De la musique que je ne parviens pas à comprendre, à ressentir.
    Décidément, la musique contemporaine me dépasse.
    Cependant, pour faire de l'illustration musicale de reportages, de documentaires, il y aurait à prendre.

  • @thequeenspropaganda5075
    @thequeenspropaganda5075 7 лет назад +3

    Okay, at 0:53, you can clearly see that the pianist is just banging in the keys. How is this music?

    • @simaanhabib2638
      @simaanhabib2638 7 лет назад +12

      The Queen's Propaganda do you understand something about piano?

    • @CalamityInAction
      @CalamityInAction 4 года назад +4

      The Queen's Propaganda If you hate the clusters, then just listen to the top notes of what he’s playing and it’ll sound fine

    • @fredsik
      @fredsik 3 года назад

      Does all music have to be pretty to you? Surely, prettiness is not the only facet of life worth exploring in music.

    • @colosseumbuilders4768
      @colosseumbuilders4768 3 года назад

      I heard the world premier. It was the only time I have been to a concert where the audience didn't act like sheep and booed instead. The Wall Street Journal described this is as the sound of a medical ward before the days of anesthesia. The NY Times wrote "Unfortunately, in 'Keqrops' one could discern little of musical interest beyond such reminiscences." This was in the dark days of Zubin Mehta's disastrous tenure and the entire concert was a disaster. At one point Roger Woodward had to stop the performance of the Bach concerto because Mehta had led it so off track.

    • @benaraujomusic
      @benaraujomusic 2 года назад

      Because it is

  • @ianmac2963
    @ianmac2963 11 месяцев назад +2

    The lack of audience exemplifies the "rubbish value" of this so called music.

  • @kunstenaar7248
    @kunstenaar7248 8 лет назад +7

    Мрак И Ужас !!!!

  • @NoNM92
    @NoNM92 6 лет назад

    здесь одни тритоны, по моему

    • @speravi1000
      @speravi1000 6 лет назад +1

      Около 6.01" появляется и терция - Виталий, будьте внимательны!

    • @speravi1000
      @speravi1000 6 лет назад

      Ксенакис в своей музыке применяет звукоряды, построенные из смесей интервалов в 1-2-3-4 полутона, так что тритон может появиться как некое производное.

    • @iuliangogu6217
      @iuliangogu6217 3 года назад

      I ne tolyko ;)

  • @Bashkii
    @Bashkii 3 года назад +2

    In MY opinion all his "music" is no more than a pitiful anecdote. Much like the "dadaists" in early XX century. Nothing to be enjoyed, nothing to be learned. RIP.

    • @Bashkii
      @Bashkii 2 года назад +1

      You can have it. But I do love the Polish school and HW Henze ,for example,and those are not precisely "beautiful, harmonius music" but they sure are as much avant garde as those who wrote stochastic and or "serial" pitiful stuff . 😂

  • @dimitrygrigoriev3291
    @dimitrygrigoriev3291 Год назад

    🤮

  • @e.hutchence-composer8203
    @e.hutchence-composer8203 5 лет назад +3

    Umm... can someone explain why people enjoy this please? I’m finding nothing of value in this, it sounds like it was written during a series of seizures, spasms and drunken dribbling. Really not sure why people like this, someone give me at least 5 reasons why it’s ‘good’ and I might listen to the rest.

    • @e.hutchence-composer8203
      @e.hutchence-composer8203 5 лет назад +1

      @@Kirmariel well why not write music rather than write buildings?

    • @e.hutchence-composer8203
      @e.hutchence-composer8203 5 лет назад

      @@Kirmariel clearly his style just isn't up my road, I'll stick to the Romantics

    • @nandoflorestan
      @nandoflorestan 5 лет назад +6

      Classical music (as anything culture) isn't a matter of "I heard it once and didn't like it". Especially in complex pieces such as this. If your taste has never suffered a revolution, you are just starting out as a listener. Just keep studying, and go back in time a little bit when you are overwhelmed, to come forward again later.

    • @TheJacti
      @TheJacti 5 лет назад +1

      You must retry to listen. It's one of the most beautiful Xenakis's piece

    • @alejandrom.4680
      @alejandrom.4680 5 лет назад +1

      Eddie Hutchence If you wanna comprehend his musical beauty as we all do here, you should start with something more calm, for later climb to this kind of compositions. Since you’re a romantic listener, you won’t have a struggle to hear Impressionism, and then, moving to more atonal things. The thing is to adapt to the dissonances, then, you will love this compositions.

  • @saboo_tage
    @saboo_tage 8 лет назад +6

    Ok this is where I draw the line.
    This has gone too far...

    • @hadenplouffe3976
      @hadenplouffe3976 8 лет назад +8

      What do you regard as too far about this? There's still melodic curves, (admittedly very dense) harmonies, heck, the solo around 0:50 is based on an ostinato of those clusters. What specifically don't you like?

    • @saboo_tage
      @saboo_tage 8 лет назад +2

      Haden Plouffe Look, I've accepted impressionism up until Stravinsky, but come on...
      I mean, the solo you're referring to sounds more like a child raping a piano...
      But if you like it, I'm not gonna judge you. You do you, I do me.

    • @hadenplouffe3976
      @hadenplouffe3976 8 лет назад +13

      It takes a while to get used to sounds like this, I will admit, had you asked the me of three years ago if this was good music (heck, probably music at all), I would've answered with a resounding no, but over time I've come to love music like this and some music that arguably makes this look tame. This is quite a long ways from Stravinsky and there's a ton of stuff in between that you could utilize to acclimate yourself, as it were. Still, it is all ultimately subjective, but personally this stands as one of my very favorite pieces to date, no matter how much I would've hated it back in the day.

    • @johnappleseed8369
      @johnappleseed8369 7 лет назад +1

      Well Spoderman has an opinion

    • @brockisdead
      @brockisdead 7 лет назад +15

      if anything it hasnt goNE FaAR ENOUGH