How Laziness Killed The Future Androids
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2023
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This sounds crazy, but what if the future androids actually trained with each other. Would our heroes have ever stood a chance? This includes Vegeta, Gohan and Trunks in the future timeline. Just look at what Future Trunks had to do just to kill them.
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It was never explained why the Future Androids were evil
I did in another video
@@QaamansLandOh I'll have to watch that lol
Why not be evil?
@@spritvio639Because in the present it didn't take much for them to not be evil
I figured they just went buck nuts with their new found freedom after Gero was killed. And with no one to stop them, the terrible stuff they did just got worse and worse. Think of the spoiled kids that destroys this or that when they don't get what they want, just on a global scale and no one able to discipline them.
If Future Android 17 trained like his present counterpart he’d solve the Goku Black and Zamasu problem.
And 18?
@@QaamansLand
I’m sure she could too but 17 alone would probably be enough.
Wouldn't Zamasu's Immortality be a problem/annoyance for either of them
@@eugenekrabs2403
I’m sure it would but if they have infinite stamina they’ll just keep beating him up tbh.
@@eugenekrabs2403i mean. Since they have infinite stamina it wouldn't be that much of a problem
When power creep is this crazy, it doesn't matter how strong the characters are. The characters are as strong as the writers need them to be while they are writing the series.
Pretty much. This was an issue after Namek, but fairly balanced to an extent. Buu Saga the same way but with Super, the universe statis quo from both the original Dragon Ball and Z is retconned and changed that not much of it makes sense.
The old Stan Lee quote is truest in modern Dragon Ball.
Unrelated, but the scene of Future Gohan slamming 18 down on the roof of the building never gets old - 3:05
Took very little damage lol
Also just realized no main villain in Super loses from not training anymore, Beerus and Frieza broke the cycle.
How so?
@@QaamansLand Goku Black trained (basically) to get SSJR or just Zamasu, and Jiren trained his whole life. With Moro and Granolah being the exceptions
@@BeezydaBaseGodGB was abusing zenkai’s
Nice love this video qaaman it’s good keep it up 👍
I never thought this topic but yeah it makes sense based off super that the future androids could have been much stronger
Not really. It's just a dumb excuse
Future trunks was putting in that work while the future andriods truly were just playing living that GTA5 life
Frank, Trev or Mike?
And then trunks playing punching simulator and xeno deleted folders of sus
@@ohhellwhereami2574Trunks lost to them once then spun the block and wet their shit up. Gohan was getting cooked for 13 years and never won a single battle.
@@crimsonking4151 why are you mentioning gohan aside from having personal beef I guess 💀
@@ohhellwhereami2574 just the truth
I was right your voice changed,I just when and compared this one to your video with u explaining time travel. Good video by the way makes u think what would happen if they trained
I’m not up with the manga, but has it been explained why the Cell juniors stayed the same and never grew up? It would be interesting if Toei utilizes one of them if by whatever reason they suddenly wanted to avenge Cell though at this point, it’s very unlikely. I could imagine them pulling this off if one of the Juniors secretly had a grudge that he kept to himself for years but somehow managed to get his hands on the Dragon Ball and made a wish. That would be an interesting “What-If” 😅
I made a video on it
@@QaamansLandNEAT!! I’m gonna watch it ASAP 🤩
That was already a what if
I guess they are not actually infant versions of Cell, they're more like saibamen, that's why they never "grew up".
No cell gets stronger by absorbing the energy of others. Remember when he first arrived he was weaker than the androids and needed to absorb the energy of thousands of people to get the strength to overwhelm the twins. His biology required him to merge with the twins to complete his evolution. The Cell Jr's were already complete in their evolution when born. So it's likely they needed to absorb energy to evolve and get stronger but 17 takes a non lethal approach to dealing with poachers so he probably didn't allow them to absorb energy from the humans or the wild life.
As for Trunks struggling more than Gohan, it comes down to their very different life experiences. Gohan had grown up facing off against opponents who were way out of his league. The training under Piccolo. The experiences on Namek both good and bad. And so on.
Trunks has only ever known 17 and 18. Gohan had to take on the entire burden of training and sometimes protecting him. When Trunks went to the past, sure, he had some real power and some cool skills. Overall though, there's no way he was anywhere near the capabilities of the established fighters of that time line. It wasn't until he trained under Vegeta that his potential began to really come out.
If Gohan had come back I think he'd solo the androids. Past 17 and 18 seemed more willing to go one on one than their future selves.
I guess Goku & Vegeta need to do the Android 17 method of training if they want to be on the level of Black Form Frieza
More like Master Roshi huh?
Goku and Vegeta train hard but they don't have androids' stamina
Hey qaaman in the dbs manga when zamas first appears he states he wiped out the mortals in the other timelines and states they were easy to beat or smthn like that, that means he possibly went to the timeline where cell kills trunks aka the cell timeline which means everyone is gone including bulma etc
Same applies to Freeza and Cold, though Freeza didn't have much body left to train. Still, by Dragon Ball Super logic, he could probably just to pushups with one arm for a month and be absolutely invincible.
Yes. In DBZ logic, the Androids and Frieza would not of gotten that strong.
By Dragon Ball Super logic, by the time Majin Buu arrived, Android 17 should of been near Super Saiyan God level. Or stronger
@@KnucklesWTD-uu3ps
What about GT logic? 😊
@@wolfzend596417 in GT scales to Atleast Base Goku who is stronger than ssj3 Buu saga Goku
I commented on your last video about this. Interesting topic for thought
I think your comment may have inspired it but i couldn't find it. Can you paste here?
@QaamansLand Oh, I wasn't exactly the same.
I basically said that maybe part of Future Gohan's misjudgment of the android's power was due to them getting stronger over the years. Of course it doesn't matter too much since they would be stronger than him anyway.
Here is what i posted, but you did a much better job of explaining what I meant.
"Isn't it technically possible that 17 and 18 got stronger over the years, too? Dragon Ball Super has shown us that just occasionally fighting regular humans gave him stupid increases in power.
Maybe it wasn't just that Gohan and Trunks weren't training enough. Because they can't feel the androids, they didn't know they got stronger."
@@bdhuffman42 Ahh I see. What video did you comment this on?
@@QaamansLand Your video you just did about death in Dragon Ball.
2:38 I'm telling you Qaaman loves this face. Lol. I've seen it so often recently
How?
@@QaamansLand ruclips.net/video/c7uXejEeIfo/видео.htmlsi=4LYTnqA-YSHLmIcW
"The cyborgs in my time were stronger than me but i could somewhat keep up with them" Yea that ass whooping tells a different tale homie
Where did you read that line?
@@QaamansLand He said that in the original/Kai script; I'm paraphrasing a little but the gist of what he said after he mentioned that the present cyborgs were weaker
@@Keiyon95he got beat up like that cuz he burned himself out early
@@crimsonking4151 That may have been a contribution; though I reality they were toying with him.
@@Keiyon95 before he wore himself out he was able to eat their shots without waring any damage and immediately counter back. Whenever he managed to connect on them he sent them flying. He was able to keep up with both of them hand to hand. When he wore himself out early with ineffective ki blast and 17 beating him to keep up the spamming. At that point he was completely gassed and they started to play with him. Even when they tried to kill him they couldn't. He still survived their assault. You can see 17 getting frustrated with Trunks surviving their finger beams which are normally lethal. 17 even shouting Be gone when he tries to finish him off but 18 griefed the kill from him. And tried to finish him herself yet Trunks survived the onslaught. When Trunks spins the block you can even see how desperate 18 was to finish what she started.
@3:16 thank you so much for pointing that out!!!!!
Thank God you mentioned that 17 trains, I don't know how many times I saw people complaining and saying he just got that strong out of nowhere. It's like DB fans have no object permanence "If I don't see it, it doesn't happen" not to mention that they can't read to begin with
Cool 😎 video bro
Who agrees it would be great to see an actual series of the two sibling androids on that invincible timeline just having fun getting away with their mischief forever and ever?
An episode
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Why le ring?
@@QaamansLand didnt quite get that, but it looks very artistic
Typo. I meant why you think it's good. Needed it for feedback
@@QaamansLand no problem
Thinking on it though, there's a decent excuse on the future androids not training. Partially the laziness, but they also didn't have to...
The earth couldn't do anything about them as they were much stronger than them, and whether manga or anime future Gohan, they were stronger than him and Trunks. They didn't need to worry about anything as they didn't necessarily have a threat in the future.
Their infinite energy does explain how they could get stupid strong if they continue to train and just keep building up more and more as time went on, though but it does come to another question towards Gero.
On, I'm sure he couldn't've done it as we know he was created the same way as 19. He absorbed energy than have an infinite source... so he HAD to have known in theory that after a time that they could've easily killed him. No matter how well his shut down device is, if someone is stronger/faster than you... you have no chance... which is literally what happened to him when they weren't that strong yet.
You make fantastic points but... I basically said everything you said in the video. Did you watch fully?
Out of Universe, its unlikely that training would of made a difference. Else, Android 18 would be the hero of the Majin Buu saga after the time chamber
Present 17 should of been strong enough to take on Majin Buu.
Irrelevant. Present 17 never trained either but DB Super wants us to believe he got a huge power boost just doing the park ranger which means the future androids who spent their days destroying cities should have gotten the same power boost as 17 who did the park ranger. It also makes no sense that 18 didn't got a similar power boost consider she did train with Krillin before the martial arts tournament and the universes' tourment. Super just gives plot power boost to the character it needs.
@@thestrong2401exactly bro
There's no reasonable explanation to how characters who were supposed to be imperfect cell fodder, attain power that rivals anything beyond ascended super saiyan.
These kids just dont want to listen when you tell them that Goku likes to sandbag little fights that have no relevant end result.
Would you mind making a video about how much of a boost in their power level Saiyans get when they get their Zenkai boost?
Cell Saga has so many What if scenarios 😅
Future Vegeta looks buffer than his present time counterpart. He might have trained in the gravity room a lot more.
Great points! It shows how amazing Dr. Gero actually was that he could make beings that powerful. If he wasn't evil, his talents would probably have made it that there would have been no need for Goku and friends to save the day... Which admittedly goes against the point of the show.
Point of the show. In Dragon Ball Z, the Androids would not of gotten that strong. Just like Frieza would not of gotten as strong as he did in Resurrection F.
Android 17 would of trained enough to take on Majin Buu. The writer didnt consider that at the time
Universe 3 is probably the way it is because it had Geros who weren't evil
@@KnucklesWTD-uu3pskeep in mind that in less than 1 year Gohan goes from being far weaker than Goku by possibly millions of times to being stronger than an almost solar system level Goku
That's just it though, the future androids wouldn't train, they have no reason to. They were already dominate over even Super Saiyan's and Gero never programmed them with any knowledge of Cell or 16. We don't know if their human versions was naturally arrogant and cocky, but it's not unreasonable to believe Gero would program their personalities to be that way specifically stop them from growing out of control.
The main timelines 17's illusion of being the strongest gets shattered when it's revealed both Cell and 16 are more powerful than him. After surviving Cell 17 has a reason to train and 18's the same being she marries a martial artist in Krillin. They went through experiences that changed them that the future androids never went through.
In the future by the time they'd realise they needed to get stronger (which would be Cell coming for them), it would of already been to late. Cell would have defeated them and absorbed them like he did in the main timeline, only easier without Piccolo, 16, Trunks and Vegeta being there to stall him.
It is interesting to imagine how screwed Trunks could been had the androids trained. But it just wasn't in their personality at the time to do so, so it wouldn't had happened.
Cell needs to absorb a lot of people to get strong enough to overwhelm the twins
I mean to be fair 17 got as stromg as he did because he trained with cell jrs mind you they have the dna of goku vegeta frieza piccolo and king cold as well and he had all 6 cell jrs to train with on his spare time which is crazy to think about
I said that in the video. Did you finish it yet?
The future androids would've ripped Goku Black a new asshole if they kept training
Yo Qaaman, did you ever do a vid on the reason why Kami felt that the Androids weren't a big enough threat to Earth to fuse with Piccolo to stop then but he felt that Cell was?
I hope in the future Super introduces us to Universe 6's Androids.
Who knows, maybe the U6 equivalent of the Red Ribbon Army and Capsule Corp teamed up to build them because when Champa showed up it introduced the U6 Earth to invasions from many alien species and since U6 Earth never had to deal with threats as bad as U7 Earth did before the invasions the Martial Artist of U6 Earth could never prepare for such threats, so the U6 androids are made as a last resort to protect the planet and possibly others.
Sorry, head canon tangent...😅
wasn't the Earth in Universe 6 destroyed up until recently?
@@Hulavuta Yes, but it was restored and evolved like nothing ever happened thanks to the Super Dragon Balls. So this Earth doesn't have Namekians, Saiyans, Dragon Balls or anything that came from space because it was originally destroyed and the people don't even realize it.
@@KCruzer It was stated the humans themselves destroyed the Earth through Nuclear War in U6.
Honestly laziness kills every villain these days… Frieza if he trained long enough wouldn’t have died to a super saiyan, Cell if he just trained prior to the cell games or used Kaioken, and Buu if he just didn’t spend around devouring earth’s food and just blew up the planet. As for Vegeta, it was more of an arrogance thing
Vegeta didn't start training until the android saga and he never trained with gods like Goku did.
Cell woulda won if he didn’t get erection from gohan potential
Actually 17 never trained by himself he actually trained with the seven cell juniors apparently in the manga it states that they've survived he then rounded them up and left them on the island he protect
Did you watch the full video?
@@QaamansLand yes just finished it
Can you see why your comment seems like you didn't watch it?
@@QaamansLand but what if you noticed I also stated that he probably rounded them up because otherwise how did they get on the island
@@QaamansLand here is a what-if I would love for you to do what if the senzu beans never went extinct in both future cells and Future Trunks timelines
If king kai and the future z fighters got off there ass they wouldn’t even need to go that far.
Only 2 minutes in so far but... that already sounds like the Androids somehow have Freeza's potential with your theory so far.
If that's the case... I'm now hoping the rest of the video could explain "How the hell....? They WERE human once right? How the hell are they Freeza gifted?"
Taking guess right now that maybe because Freeza was a mutant as it is that Androids are technically mutant humans so... that's why? I'll edit the comment I'm sure within the next 8 mins.
EDIT: I'm now wondering how strong Cell could be if he would absorb a trained 17 and 18. He would be able to still aborb at least one of them if he snuck up on one and absorbed them with his tail. The problem would've been how to get the 2nd one as if they stuck together most of the time, the other would be on guard to stop semi-perfect Cell from getting them. If he would've gotten one of them when one needed some time alone for whatever reason, the other wouldn't know what happened to the other which would be the perfect opportunity for cell to sneak up on the other to absorb them to become... whatever kind of Perfect Cell he would've been.
Curious how you respond after watching
Super 2 perfect Cell
If the androids trained cell would have zero shot of absorbing them. There's not enough of a human population for him to absorb to get strong enough to overwhelm them. They would have easily murdered him. 17 training on his own was able to evolve at a similar rate to Goku who had spent all his time training with gods. Training together they would logically surpass ssj2 youth Gohan in less than a year of casual training.
On this topic I agree pretty much if future android 17 & 18 would have trained then future Trunks would have had no shot of defeating one of them separately let alone both of them together & the only way they would have been dealt with is to use the self destruct to destroy them beyond that future Trunk would have had no chance of defeating them & the future timeline have been royally f$$$
What about Gohan?
@@QaamansLand same for Gohan because if both future android 17 & android 18 would have trained them future Gohan would never stand a chance against either of them let alone both of them together & then in my opinion future Gohan death would have been far more brutal, so when future Gohan died in the future time he actually got off easily, so he would have fought a stronger version of future android 17 and 18 then they would have done more damage to him, so cutting to the chase future Gohan death could have been worse by comparison.
7:56 He also died which could’ve meant another Zenkai Boost
Nah. The whole point is to survive
@@QaamansLand Oh right, Zenkai Boosts don’t happen if the character dies. Thanks for the correction
I never thought about this quaaman! In our time 17 trained with poachers was strong enough for t.o.p in the original timeline the androids fought trunks and gohan for lord knows how long and wouldnt be able to be teen gohan ssj2 😂😂
Two things that always confused me about the main/future timeline.
1. Why did it seem like Gohan didn't get any Zenkai buffs?
2. Why did Goku go radio silent? We have seen him talk from the dead before.
Maybe Gohan did but it wasn't enough
Most dbz villains are like this. Stupidly powerful with 0 effort. If literally any main dbz villain bothered to lift a dumbell for 5 minutes. Goku and CO would have just died.
17 probably found half a dragon ball and made a wish on it.
I was paying close attention but fhen you said Cell Jrs and I went like
"WHAT"
I don't understand why that made you react. I showed and explained why.
Oh you absolutely did, dont worry Im not criticizing you or anything
Im just shocked at the revelation is all
I assume you never saw my cell juniors video?
Nope! Been following you for a while but I must have missed that one
It’s funny in a way. Let’s say going by Supers logic while Trunks was gone 17 and 18 got bored with no one to fight or kill. They instead started fighting each other for fun without realizing they became stronger through that time. When Trunks came back he would find out they were even stronger than when he left and dies anyway. Less uplifting story but with Supers content that is what should of happened.
I guess it depends on how strong they could’ve gotten in the time trunks left. With super the power scaling went out the window , but it’s interesting to speculate the potential they might’ve had
That make sense they were not supposed to be stronger. If they trained I would even dare say they could have beaten Dabura and Good Boo if he ever hatched which is unlikely. I really love the anime HOT adaptation where Gohan is so strong but I realize this is not true. This is why I estimate that alone/weaker training partner he didn't pass the 4,000,000 base power which wasn't enough. I have no idea how powerful Trunks was before he was beaten up by the androids, somewhere in the dozens of thousands. I saw 60,000 common but there is no way to prove it true. Even if it was there is a good chance Trunks got SZ. Kakarrot, Bejita and main timeline Gohan all got a SZ on Namek so I find no reason why Trunks wouldn't.
Well you have to split your answer
How strong do you think BASE Manga pre-teen Trunks is? ( Before Gohan dies)
How strong do you think SSJ Manga pre-teen Trunks is? (Before Gohan dies)
How strong do you think BASE Manga Teen Trunks is? ( Before hospital)
How strong do you think SSJ Manga Teen Trunks is? ( Before hospital)
@@QaamansLand I love it when I have homework on something that I love (this franchise). I will take these questions seriously and start my research as soon as possible.
I know where to find manga here in my country so I will go read it and try to do an educated guess to where exactly he is supposed to be.
I truly hope that they have the colorful version. Not that black and white is bad but with color it's more nice to the eyes.
@@QaamansLand Well I read the manga today and I came up with answers. Just to be clear guys before anyone will crucify me- Qaaman is well aware power scaling numbers are made up. So for anyone else reading this and thinking about attacking me consider these are my numbers only.
So for compression I decided to give Gohan 4,000,000 base. Gohan says Trunks is close to him in power during their training. He told him that as SSJ the way I look it because Trunks of course was one unlike the special. So as a SSJ I think manga Trunks at this point is 3,600,000. Meaning he has 72,000 base power.
So base Trunks after Gohan dies but before hospital and with no training partner I give him 76,000 base and it's 3,800,000 as a SSJ. If I am right about it he was such a fool to take on a battle he can't win.
Perhaps Gero purposely limited the Androids from Future Trunks timeline after Goku died while in the main timeline Goku was still around so left room for them to improve as a backup?
Dbs staff should pay you for finding an explanation.
With all due retrospect, the androids under any logical circumstance, can never be stronger than imperfect cell.
Hey Qaaman, how powerful do you think Pui Pui and Yakkon are? Because we Don't get any scale about them
Estimation?
@@QaamansLand Yes, because with Dabura we get an estimation on them, i heard people putting them in Super Saiyan levels or Saiyan saga levels
even if they trained, they will be killed by Goku Black and Immortal Zamasu, but at least they would save them the trouble of killing the humans
That would be impossible to occur. How would Goku Black exist? Trunks has to be alive to create the loop for Zamasu to become Goku Black. With Trunks dead none of this ever happens.
@QaamansLand
it has multiple factors to it like the tournament between universes 6 and 7 when goku and vegeta were using God kid and hit manipulating time
and other shenanigans
The future androids never bothered to train because not even the z warriors could stop them, until trunks traveled back in time and went back to defeat them
if gero were still alive when cell was around,would they be bros or would cell kill him?
The whole "training" and "potential" thing in DBS really retroactively messes with the continuity. It also doesn't seem to understand the concept of training. Exertion is exertion regardless of why you're doing it; training is just specific exertion towards a performance goal. As long as all these DBZ characters with "huge potential" were exerting themselves at all, they should be way stronger. Sure, 17 wouldn't scale to gods of destruction, but even by just toying with Gohan and blasting cars and buildings, by Super scaling he should at least have gotten to at least perfect Cell level. Because even though he wasn't pushing his limits, he was still exerting himself.
That's like saying I would eventually get as fast as Usain bolt by jogging everyday 😂😂😂
(This got way wordier than I intended)
Man, Supers "they trained" excuse always rubbed me the wrong way and how seemly easy it is to get multiple times stronger from just "training" for the saiyans it kinda makes sense how they can get strong fast with their zenkai boost and pulling out a new transformation.
For the human characters such as Krillin and Tein, I kinda find it hard to be they can ever reach Frieza's level on namek, particularly Krillin having a family and job and not as training focused like Tein(imagine he we was a saiyan). Like the jump in power just got super ridiculously, like training wise realistic it should be really hard to get a x2 boost from training alone particular by your self with no teacher or training parter and it only gets harder and more time consuming to get a x2 boost the stronger u get and some of these characters r getting well over 100x boosts from where we last knew of their power.
Again with Goku is kinda makes sense cause he had multiple masters each one being better/higher than the last.
But the humans don't have the broken genetics and had some but not all the same masters/training Goku had.
I can see the Androids having more ways of getting stronger than the humans but still hard to believe as strong as 17 got.
It does make me wonder how stronger Cell could've gotten if he trained with the saiyans, Freiza and his fathers dna and if he could've achieved their transformations such as ssj or golden, he got a Zenkai blow himself up and apparently doesn't take much training on Frieza's part to get stronger and with regeneration from Piccolo Cell really could've been the perfect being with proper training.
Why connect the result of bad writing to where it can’t be connected
Realistically, I think 17 now should have been around above Semi perfect Cell but below Super Vegeta while 18 would be equal to Semi perfect Cell
I assume you meant before absorbing lot's of humans.
@@QaamansLand I meant Semi Perfect
No I meant the imperfect cell that absorbed lots of humans. Remember, he got much stronger than the first time he fought piccolo
@@QaamansLand I meant second form cell. The one with the lips
The future Android settings were on CPT for people who don't know what CPT means. It means Color People Time.
10:21 Qaaman gets attacked by the androids 😅
This is why I don't like how future Gohan is portrayed in the manga. The future androids are arrogant and think they rule the world while staying at the same level killing weak humans. Gohan should've been anime Future Gohan in there fight. It just make sense. And I don't believe 17 always gotta be holding back in fights so that comment about Vegeta I can't agree with.
He was always holding back Gohan was stronger Vegeta and Vegeta had surpassed Goku by that point. Granted Goku was already dead so he couldn't improve much further than the 3 years of training he did in the main timeline.
@@crimsonking4151 I'm not arguing 17 isn't stronger I'm just saying 17 killing Vegeta while taking it easy on him doesn't make sense because Vegeta would want to face him going all out and it looked like 17 went straight for the kill. Which was an easy kill for him regardless.
@@divineeternity7268 cuz Vegeta wasn't fun anymore. So he stood over him and fried him.
While I defend Super and even it’s flaws I do think the term “training” dose get over used to help scale some characters up. Like what kind of training are the non-Sayains even doing? Is farming EXP from 100 poachers better then beating 1 Future Gohan really that good for 17?!
Lol this kinda made it seem like gohan is an ineffective exp bag for levelling up
@@lovableairheadmile6809fr 💀not like gihan couldn't have killed em one on one
@@ohhellwhereami2574 yeah but the way the comment sounded like future gohan was like less exp than 100 pouchers whahahaha the heck are those poachers ssjb level?
@@lovableairheadmile6809 yeah if Android really forced him to zenkai they he'd be nice training gear at least until he starts to overwhelm them
@@ohhellwhereami2574 yeah to be honest they would have scaled harder if gohan got stronger ans stronger
17 and Frieza being strong as Super Saiyan blue is a plot hole. There’s no explanation or breakdown. That’s why I don’t fuck with Super
I like how you totally ignored the biggest one. Roshi
Just because it's not outright stated in the anime that the androids were holding back doesn't mean that they weren't holding back lol... We know that they're holding back because that's what happens in the manga... and it honestly looks like the androids are toying with Gohan in the anime, they dont look serious or stressed out one bit.... they look completely casual like they're not even trying... there's really nothing to suggest that they're going all out im the anime...
But 18 literally says it. I don't get what you mean
@@QaamansLand she says they're gonna go all out to kill him... when they eventually "go all out" they kill Gohan... they're holding back the entire fight until they stop toying around and kill him. Going all out can be interpreted as them not toying around with Gohan anymore... if they're not even trying then they're not going all out, right? So Its not about them needing to use full power its about them deciding not to play with him no more...
To be honest I think you are looking at this a bit too deep.
@@QaamansLand not really man...
its not like they say "we have to use our full power" or "you're stronger than we thought, we're gonna have to use full power on you" or anything like that.....
They basically say that they're gonna stop holding back and just murder Gohan.... nothing there implies that Gohan was on their level or that he forced them to go all out... They just stopped holding back and killed him
Bruh but it took both of them to get full power to kill him and tbf gohan was also 1 hand so he was at half strength which means 2 hand gohan would have killed them
For me it's like gohan has chance but he's alone which is his timeline problem
Seems like the folly of most Dragon Ball antagonists
If there's one thing fascinating about Qaaman here today! 🤩
I’m happy that Future Trunks killed the androids
In the anime 17 and 18 didn't start trying till the rain storm began. Gohan was stronger than they initially expected because of his zenkai boost. Gohan was not as "strong" as the Androids even in a 1v1. Gohan was weaker than the androids however Future Gohan was very experienced in fighting the androids and he was a relatively skilled fighter.
Gohan used smoke screens and energy shield and out maneuvered the androids to put up more of a fight. You can tell Gohan wasn't more powerful than the androids because when he won the beam clash he didn't do any damage to them (losing a beam clash would generally result in critical damage).
Trunks became stronger than Gohan 3 years later after becoming a Super Saiyan (yes even in the anime) you can tell Trunks was stronger because whenever he managed to connect on the androids he'd always send them flying. However he didn't have the skill or experience that Gohan had. He managed to briefly get the upper hand on both androids in hand to hand combat then he wasted his energy on ki blast spamming that wasn't effective. Like a rookie fighter he burned himself out early and the androids were able to take advantage and toy with Trunks after he very quickly exhausted himself. Further proof he was stronger than Gohan was he was able to endure a beating from both androids and not die.
My last bit of evidence of Trunks being stronger was before he gassed himself out he was able to somewhat keep up with both androids whereas Gohan on the other hand at the amusement park was able to hold his own against 17 but once 18 jumped in he was very quickly overwhelmed. Also when 18 hit Trunks with a surprise attack he either took it well and wasn't visibly damaged and even immediately responded with an early version of his burning attack. However when Gohan was hit by 18 in a similar manner he was rocked by the punch and fell to the floor very visibly hurt by the punch. All in all before Trunks went to the past. Gohan had the superior skill and experience compared to Trunks. Trunks had superior strength speed and durability.
The Cell Juniors… survived? Man😒😂
Is it a misconception I have or is it stated in canon that the main timeline (aka the one we follow the most closely) androids were stronger than trunks’s or is that explained by the future androids having been holding back while fighting trunks like they did gohan? Edit you said in video nevermind
The main timeline androids were strong. Gero spent an extra 3 years working on them
Android 17 getting massively stronger in the main timeline after training is a plot hole. Why? How will Cell, who is expected to emerge 20 years after they are activated supposed to absorb them successfully? Remember, Dr. Gero designed 17 and 18 as food for Cell. If they have the potential to become that powerful, then imperfect Cell won't stand a chance. Genius Dr. Gero will never compromise the completion of his ultimate android.
The future timeline, could’ve been WAY BETTER if goku was alive there’s a what if (by @Carthu’s Dojo) about it
y trunks and gohan didnt train in the time champer to fight the andriods ?
With this video, it kinda makes Future Gohan seem stronger than what most were saying he was as of late. People put him weaker than Namek Goku, but if he is able to almost beat Future 17, he has to be stronger than at least Frieza, right? I do know Gohan says he wants to be as strong as his father though.
Im starting to think if any villain from the show decided to go train at any point, our heroes would be screwed lol
If future gohan had plot on his side like he does in super then 17 probably would have done some training
Lol and what about 18?
@@QaamansLandoh whoops yeah her to😂
Did u burp at the end
It may have been overconfidence but it was not Laziness. The Androids had no idea that Trunks was able to time travel and for their perspective, they had just handed him his ass a couple of weeks earlier. Trunks had a year+ of Training in the past and came back OP compared to what he was ( from the Androids perspective). The Future Androids got owned because they had no idea what Trunks was (after returning from the past) was capable of. IMO: There was not enough time nor reason for the Future Androids to try to go beyond their current limits. I argue further: That if Trunks had not returned to the Future, that Android 17 and 18 would have defeated the Future Stage one Cell. There were not enough humans around for Cell to absorb for more power and the Team of 17 and 18 would have just beat him with numbers.
you have to remember when the future androids weren't around characters couldn't get to ssjb level by playing with poachers
Honestly laziness isn't only a 17 and 18 thing. It plagues every dbz/super villain and villains in other media.they are so naturally strong they feel no need to train until the Mc comes and beat em
Imagine if frieza did one push up before namek 😂
Hey what's up with Marron? When 18 left her with the boys on 17's island she implied that her daughter might have powers. Care to speculate?
Huh?
@@QaamansLand What huh? Krillin's daughter. Do you think she has powers or is she a normal girl? When 18 told Krillin that she's tough was she implying something or just trying to assuage his concern?
Do you think the if the future androids would have easily solved the Dabura, Babbity and the Goku Black situation?
The only laziness was on the part of the writers of Super for arbitrarily making certain characters way stronger than they have any right to be.
If frieza can train and get strong super fast i feel like 17 can too
I have one critique bro. Please slow down when you talk take your time this video feels like I have it on 2.0. Not trying to be a dick great video otherwise
It's funny you say that. People say I talk too slow...
They didn't have a reason to train. They were already stronger than anyone else. So what's the point?
They also enjoyed fighting Gohan, so if they got too strong that wouldn't have been fun anymore.
I would have accepted them saying he got upgraded
People hate anything related to Super. It’s sad
Cuz DBS isn't good
@Qaaman The androids and Frieza.....if they trained consistently could become powerful than the gods in DBZ universe? Then no Goku and Z fighters but.....Zamasu and Moro......they would interfer so........still a morose situation in the DBZ universe!
You don't get it, because you don't get exponential growth because of inherent advantages.
He trained with cell juniors its in the manga😂
Based on 17s TOP showing, trunks timeline would be fucked if they did trained
Now just imagine if the future androids did also train up together during the same time that trunks spent training, but when he got back he wasn't strong enough to beat them, so he ran away and hid again, leaving them available for Cell to attempt to absorb. And let's just for the sake of argument say that Cell was somehow able to mske both of those absorption happen, to become perfect; how much insanely stronger(if any) would that version of Cell become?
Conversely, what if Cell attempted to eat the androids, saw he was far outclassed, did a 100x solar flare and ran away. Do you think that if he was again, somehow possible, even if only for the sake of the hypothetical, for Cell to be able to absorb Trunks with his tail(would it matter if he was powered up to his full SSJ stage 3 form[the form that was nearly as powerful as SSJ2, just immensely slower], or in his base form, would the absorption still yield the same amount of power if Trunks was stilll in base form when absorbed?), would the power up be enough to allow Cell to absorb one of the androids at that point, even with their power ups from the previous hypothetical training?
Cell would be insignificant to the androids and Trunks if they were all training.
The thing is, the Androids aren’t supposed to be stronger. They can’t get stronger. They’re machines. They have a set power level unless Bulma or Gero makes them stronger.
This is false. They are not robots like 16. The twins are cyborgs modified at the cellular. They are still organic and can even produce offspring with other humans. They are stronger faster and more durable than super Saiyans and they have infinite energy and stamina. They also have self-destruct bombs implemented in their chest. Main timeline twins had their bombs removed by shenron
@@crimsonking4151 before I crush your argument, can you tell me what the definition of ANDROID is?
@@SRT_DRE they aren't androids they are only called androids in the English dub. They are Jinzoningen aka Cyborgs. They are also referred to as artificial humans.
There is no crushing my argument because it's not an argument it's just fact. You can try to argue with the facts if you like but it will only end with bullets in your chest 🤷🏿
@@crimsonking4151 they’re not Androids when they’re called Android 17 and 18? You crushing your own argument.
@@SRT_DRE no dude only the English dub refers to the as androids I already told you what they are. You clearly cannot read.
But why would the androids train?
They thought no one could match their level
Tbh I find trunks being weaker than futrue gohan at when he was fighting the androids alone does make some sense when u realise that gohan had to suffer 13 years while trunks didn't even go to do 5 years.
yeah, ngl the androids being able to get stronger through training is just another plot hole. Their muscles aren't real, training would do nothing for them.
Yes they are real they can procreate with humans for crying out loud
@@crimsonking4151 no, they really can't. you think they can because toriyama is a bad writer, but they can't because androids don't work that way.
@@clericofchaos1 is it his story universe or is it yours?
@@clericofchaos1 they are not androids they are cyborgs. 17 and 18 literally have kids they produced with humans 😂😂😂 then you just being a jackass like noo no they can't have kids nooooo they can't get stronger 🫏🫏🫏only the English dub calls them androids when that's not what they are at all. They literally bleed blood and procreate with humans 🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿 I'm arguing with an actual idiot.
@@crimsonking4151 "death of the author" long story short, it's mine.
Just curious as to why we would assume 17 and 18 specifically couldn't get stronger? They are still humans unlike the rest of the androids with the exception of cell who is composed of living tissue. 19 and Gero can't get stronger since the only body part that's organic is the brain, and the rest of them are just pure machinery. 17 and 18 are not like the terminator with full robotics on the inside either since the both of them can have children, they are cyborgs, thus they can get stronger like any other human, just more efficiently than most since humans end up maturing their powers faster than saiyans but with tech that can demolish super saiyans with ease. All of that considered, why would they not be able to train and get stronger but do it better than regular humans since their potential as cyborgs inherently make them and their potential superior to regular people.
Id say because they dont have Ki or Genki... and although they are Androids it doesn't seem like they have actual muscle tissue... they're basically robots with some human parts, they really shouldn't be able to get stronger in all honesty
@@reptilian_geneticistHow they have no ki If they can shot Ki?
I know that time travel in general usually has plot holes and the cell saga is riddled with them, but either the current Androids were stronger than the future androids, or it is another plot hole... from the onset of imperfect cell, he is weaker than both 17&18. Imperfect cell (who, iirc had drank a whole town worth of people) fights piccolo and is overpowered, piccolo shortly there after, goes toe to toe with 18 and then when imperfect cell shows back up, he is stronger than piccolo because he tailed an immeasurable amount of more people juice. Had he immediately went to absorb currently timeline 17 or 18, they would have made him look worse than they did Vegeta... or like i said, that is another plot hole
You understand that these are hindsight problems due to Toriyama's writing. By DBS logic, if Android 18 stepped into the Time Chamber, Buu would be easily defeated.
DBS isn't very far away from Majin Buu saga. Android 17 should of been atleast Super Buu level then
Thats why I love súper 17 because , gt revive 17 true personality , genocide bastard who destroy everything , dbs make him a daddy Savior , wich I don't hate but I prefer 17 been Bad , but in gt is better form me because 17 was good and he was brainwished to become evil and at the end he became a little good for moment when 17 don't try to kill 18❤
It was always my headcanon that 17 being a cocky teenager was just bluffing about his power. I mean if he were using half his power, why would he let 18 help instead of just using more power?
What about Android 16???
What is it with dbz RUclipsrs shitting on the android saga lately is it something in the air right now lol.
No? That's my favorite arc...