What Happened To Fisker And The Ocean? Let's Speculate...
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- Опубликовано: 2 апр 2024
- Join Alex and Travis as they discuss Fisker 2.0. Where did Henrik's second company start going off the rails, what's the latest, and where do we go from here?
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Fisker has given content creators more revenue than they have received any for their own cars 😅
or maybe vice versa some have taken more than they ever had gotten before cause there are not many real world reviews out that talk straight and truth.
To be fair, Hyundai-Kia-Genesis is known for 12 V battery issues as well.
12 V batteries haven't been used in ICE vehicles like they are in EVs so it makes sense to see some unusual behavior but completely failing at 2,500 miles isn't a good sign. -Travis
Well said
And to be fair, it's pretty much solved after the latest OTA update for the EV9.
Which has nothing to do with Fisker. False equivalence and completely useless in a discussion regarding Fisker.
@@KentBuchla Why you came with trolling? The 12 V battery failure was discussed. I commented. You came with annoying, irritating, shameless, nonsensical comment, showcasing your ill intent to troll.
Do not shovel your comment through the throat of others, just post your own comment. Your ideas do not denote a very high intelligence inspired ones.
Alex and Travis, They say you have to speculate to accumulate. Let's hope your speculative efforts yield more EV Buyers Guide subscribers. 😁
🤞🏼 -Travis
lol yes "speculators," famously the most successful investors of all
Such a insightful and grown up conversation. Thank you for this.
Thanks for tuning in for it. -Travis
When was it common to charge for certain colors? I get it if it's matte. Seems like a way to price gouge if its a normal paint color
In a lot of cases there were premium colors that would cost extra but in the last 5-10 years it seems that charging for colors has become more commonplace. -Travis
FYI: Your Facebook link in the description goes to the old page.
Fixed, thank you! -Travis
12:26 there’s not four colors. It’s five colors.
1. White
2 stealth gray
3. black
4. red
5. blue
Why should Nissan buy Fisker now, when they could wait for bankruptcy and buy it for less (and only the bits they want)?
Buy an Ocean and look into repurpose the batteries. Like into a battery backup for you house with solar .. 100kwh of batteries for $25k is a good deal, if you hvae that to spend.
Alex and I had this conversation after we shot the video; if the Ocean had V2G or V2H functionality built into it (there's none that we know of) I would say it's well worth a flyer if you could integrate it into your home power setup. -Travis
That Fisker was 70k+, Polestar 3 starts around 73k - do you think the Polestar 3 is going to be "worth" that price? I'm not so well versed in how "luxurious" the Ocean is but the Polestar 3 seems to be quite luxurious + built in the US this summer, initial driving impressions seem good. Just trying to gauge how off the Fisker pricing really was.
It's hard to judge one versus the other while only 1 is/was in production but Polestar is a far more established company with reliable financial support and that's ultimately going to be the most important difference between the two. -Travis
I just want to say thank you guys for not being idiots. I just finished watching a couple of videos on EVs before this one, and…well, the usual stupidities. We don't need to get into the details.
Thanks for watching! -Travis
Do you think it foolish to purchase a 2023 Fisker Ocean Extreme for $38.999? What are the current chances of complete insolvency versus someone (like Magna) picking up the car in the future? Thanks!
I see small odds, EVe are the Growing Future Globally..in many forms of transportation...even Evtol Jets raising $$ to produce.
I couldn't recommend it. -Travis
@@EVBuyersGuide thank you! We decided on a Mach E instead. We feel very good about our choice.
Nice car!
Nice to look at for sure. -Travis
Good video. Fisker needed more time. But more time requires a boat loan of more money
Their first vehicle needed to be almost perfect. No glitches , no problems.
Instead due to shallow pockets, they rushed it out.
Results? Worst key fob in the history of Vehicles, super glitchy software (especially early on)
Brand new buyers getting locked out of their vehicles. 12 volt batteries dying.
The list goes on and on. Now fisker is saying nothing. How does it take months to push out a software update? We are not talking about 100,000’s or thousands of vehicles here
Henrik and his leech were in way over their heads here. They needed to be a partner on a larger company. Not the head honcho
Henrik = head honcho = bankruptcy
There's a joke in there somewhere, about the Ocean needing a boat load more money.... -Travis
for those who have such car it might only change in case the community stays together strong and finds some clever mechanis to run some repair centers or spots.
If those few in the USA can survive this way they might live for quite a long time cause Magna will most likely not steal away and hide if everyone knows that it is a Magna with a fisker hull on top.
Finally: 42 years ago we had a similiar situation when a company died with about 10.000 or so sold
Delorean since then increased its brand and product value a lot and back then these cars were sold with a total weak engine underpowered .
There was only the unique paintless metalbody with goldwing doors and a lot of shorcomings - today no one cares.
That is the only hope that Ocean might find a new destination cause back then the production was stopped 4 years or so when back to the future became that movie block buster hit and demand started to increase over night.
That's going to be the biggest issue for current owners. there are so few of these on the road right now it's going to be hard to find someone who wants to make a living working on such a limited production vehicle. -Travis
Something makes me believe there's something fishy going on, because it's just like a negative pile-on, with these little hints of "let me say something nice, to not appear biased". They have some really nice cars and I hope they survive, I'd buy any of them, once fully realized.
I can't imagine what would be fishy, we're simply commenting on the news. -Travis
Good or bad, the name recognition of Fisker and the Ocean grows through Free global advertising. Also the Strong Stock trading volume grows it too.
It's too bad Fisker didn't bring the $50k Alaska compact truck to market first as it would have undercut both the Rivian and Lightning trucks in price and practicality.
It may have been a "first to market" product but I'm but sure that would have made a
World of difference. -Travis
The SUV market is currently more popular globally.
Pick up trucks not yet popular in Europe, the Ocean is winning numerous awards in Europe.
I love the Ocean! Can't wait to get mine!
Are you mad? If you can walk away with your money, walk away.
@@wizzyno1566 why would I be mad? I'm excited about this car. It was an amazing vehicle to drive when I tested it
@@BryanA3115 its got nothing to do with how it drives, its the fact Fisker will be gone in a few months and you'll be stuck with an unsupported car with buggy software.
After your reply though i hope you get what you deserve. Please buy one.
I honestly don't know how any rational shopper could justify buying an Ocean, unless they've got lots cash to burn on what looks to be a very early public beta test of a vehicle. Leasing makes a whole lot more sense, but even then I'd be wary. Sounds like they had a Hyundai/Kia style roll-out of EVs on a shared platform with zero cash to do so. I'm no huge fan of Tesla, but they came out of the gate with the Model S, which had tons of incentives for buyers to switch, including the $7500 tax credit (back when manufacturers had a ceiling of 200k units sold before that credit went to $0), a rapidly expanding charging network, free charging on that network, competitive luxury features like air suspension, along with 4-way lumbar support, and a manufacturer who you could at least somewhat trust to be around in the next 3-5 years, not the next 3-5 weeks. Great video!
Tesla was a big gamble early on, just like all other automotive startups. There's a reason very few survive. -Travis
@@EVBuyersGuideTesla had what it took to excel. They had deep engineering talent and made a relatively great car that happened to be electric. They also have striven to in-source as much as possible. Fisker never learns this lesson.
There were people with lots of cash to burn. It's money they could afford to lose, the number 1 rule of gambling and investing. For them, this was their finger to Elon moment like that guy spending millions to advertise against Tesla. Sometimes, that finger gets taken.
Tesla over 30 Total vehicle recalls since 2021... Fisker zero
Fisker was maybe 2 years to late!Just bad luck!Great car!
And to think Magna is the largest EU supplier os seats!
I hadn't heard that. -Travis
Tesla sued Fisker because H Fisker was hired by Tesla to help design the Model S but was accused of working on the Karma at the same time using time/design paid by Tesla.
I follow smaller channels by Ocean owners, and one of the things they mention, that you kinda touch on but deserves more depth, is the alleged gross mismanagement and nepotism in the corporate structure. Reviews on Glassdoor, reddit, etc paint a very grim picture. I wouldn't blame Nissan for backing away if even half of the allegations had any truth to them. There would be nothing in the Fisker brand worth saving, and the only value would be in the hardware and Magna IP.
A good or interesting product doesn't always mean a good finish. I don't have any more insight on the inner workings of Fisker than reports but it's not a bad thing to remind consumers. -Travis
Fisker had no updated 10 K financials to close any deal, Nissan Arc presentation stated clearly they are looking for more partnerships in the future.
You can lease to get the tax credits. Check out Hyundai's lease offers. 329 a month.
That all depends on the leasing company, not every company passes them on.
@EVBuyersGuide It's 239 a month with 239 down EV6 SE. They're also offering the credit on purchases. Their VINs start with a "K" so not made in N America. Is that possible?
I’m still holding out for the Pear
😂😂😂
If it makes it to production it likely won't wear the name Fisker. -Travis
I truly wonder who that can afford these cars actually qualifies for the tax credit.
These cars are so expensive I wouldn’t buy one and I made enough I don’t qualify for the tax credit at all. So who has a low enough income looking at cars in the 70k+ range? Am I just super cheap lol.
Everyone budgets their money differently and some spend more than they have. -Trsvis
I can, as an example. I bought my vehicle in 2000. Paid it off in 2002. Sunk the monthly payment into a mutual fund since then. It's worth just over $300k. By income, take home is about 4k per month, I qualify. All the kids are grown now, so my taxes have gone up. But I can't justify buying another car when my current one is still going and going.
Journalist never mention Fisker Coachbuild where built cars like the 06 Tramonto.
Henrik has a wonderful eye for design, some of the coachbuild work is a great example of that. -Travis
I hate how Tesla only has a few opinions! I love that the Ocean has so many different options. It's what sets them apart. Tesla is so blah and boring.
Tesla is having a hard time now that there are other options in the market.
Many options is one of the big reasons the company may not survive, it wouldn't be a lot of fun having a fully customized Ocean and not being able to service it anywhere. -Travis
Tesla was and probably is trying to make profits. Too many options require a Porsche level buyer where you can even specify a specific color to match whatever your heart desires. Of course, that color costs more than a small car.
It’s extremely frustrating seeing nearly all media and commentary on the internet either dooming the company or complaining about stock price. Its been happening since fall 2022 and it’s ridiculous.
“Ridiculous”? No, it seems to be fact. You are behaving emotionally and are in denial. Fisker has Fisker’ed themselves.
We're not all that concerned with stock price since we have no vested interest in the company, we're just reporting that the company is not doing well and that could have big repercussions for folks who own or are considering a Fisker. -Travis
Fisker is receiving millions $ in free advertising. The Ocean dealerships growing.
No idea what the fate of the Fisker company will be, but seems like this would be a great buy for an established auto company to buy and have a nearly turn key EV SUV.
The problem is that the car would share nothing with any of that legacy automaker’s other products. You’d have to assume production of a bespoke model and pledge to support it in order to get folks into showrooms, and even then there are more established and or desirable products out there for similar money being built by brands that aren’t on life support. If the Ocean were a sales success getting rave reviews it’d be one thing, but why mess with impending doom?
Coming out and announcing “we’re fucked” last month was the nail in Fisker 2.0’s coffin. I can’t say I’m surprised given what a failure Fisker 1.0 was. I’m surprised that anyone out there was willing to give these fools money after the spectacular failure that was the shitbox known as the Karma.
That's one of their issues with getting further investment, there seemingly isn't a whole lot that they've built and designed themselves that another company couldn't get elsewhere. -Travis
There is nothing there any other company would want. The Ocean is not competitive, there is no demand for it. SUV form without SUV function, it is really a hatchback, and after ten months of sales there are STILL no photos or videos of anyone being brave enough to take an Ocean onto even a simple dirt road of any kind. The platform is a slight variation of the Magna platform, the software is an instruction manual for how not to write a UI, the car is an inefficient extremely heavy, almost a thousand pounds heavier than a Model Y, engineering nightmare with poor cargo space for the size and style...
Any other company would have to move all of the tools and dies from Magna to their own factory to have any hope of not losing a ton of money on the production, and then they would have to raise the price of the Ocean by about $20,000 I estimate to hope to break even...and there just is no demand.
@@tribalypredisposedTesla only sold less than 2,600 model Y's it's 1st calendar year, Fisker Sold 4,900 in 2023... it's already a Leader in the EV sector.
@@2023gainer LOL! Model Y started deliveries in July of 2020 and sold 40,001 cars that year. And Model Y sales continued to rapidly accelerate from there as it is now the top selling car in the world. Fisker, on the other hand….sales dropped off a cliff from Q4 to Q1 2024, and now even with enormous discounts it seems they are not coming back, as the company is effectively dead and the only question is how long it can delay Chapter 7.
These are obviously your own options but then found veryone else who owns ones get in and drive. To many tech junkies out there i dont like this or that. Its a car open the door start the vehicle and dribe the dam thing. Honestly people are always winging about something.
The open the door part...NHTSA just opened an investigation based on fifteen complaints sent to them of Ocean owners being unable to open the door, either when they were in the car or out of it. If you bought a new car and could not get the door to open...would you be winging about it?
@@tribalypredisposed every EV company has problems look at Tesla after 10 years. Has anyone lost their life or been in bad accident in a ocean planet!?? How many people have died after problems with Tesla !?????
@@TheEVGuy-rx9juSome billionaire I heard recently back into water, drowned.?
@@tribalypredisposed 2.0 Software has cleared majority of complaints...3.0 due this month. Zero Recalls for Fisker.
Fisker Ocean...over 10,000 produced in 1st calendar year, compared to Tesla 1st calendar year 2,600 Model Y. Nio, Lucid and Polestar received $ 2 billion and $ 1 billion and $ 1 billion in new financiag. Fisker should need less than half. Loading the FSRN share Dips. Thumbs up video/ comments. Thanks.
The world was not asking for another brand of semi premium compact crossover.
At least Rivian had their marketing nailed before entering. The “avocado toast on wheels” vibe was perfect.
Absolutely!
"You can't play the long game if you can't survive the short game."
Oof
Tesla hired Henrik Fisker's design company to design the Model S. Henrik himself was never a Tesla employee or even consultant. Elon said Fisker design delivered a generic styled car. Which Franz von Holzhausen later fixed. Then Fisker designed a great unique looking car for itself. Taking aerodynamic learnings from Tesla. Yes, Tesla lost that lawsuit.
I don't imagine there were too many employed by the design company. -Travis
The Model S Fisker designed was horrible, the first thing Franz did as a Tesla employee was to have a forklift driver pick up the clay model of Fisker's design and toss it into a dumpster.
I’d rather gamble and get the fisker ocean. Besides I’ve seen and driven much worse EVs
At least the ocean is fast fun to drive good looking, and the interior is luxurious. And the range is good
But would I get it over the Korean evs or Tesla? Probably not…
That's one heck of a gamble. -Travis
If the build quality seems reasonable it may be good for a few years, but on resale it may be only good as a parts car.
@@EVBuyersGuide you dont know that
@@user-on8yb5pv7eyes he does. It IS a gamble, with the company in the state its in, even Fisker fanboys should acknowledge that.
It may be a gamble you win on, but there's no doubt its a gamble.
If you are buying one, buy directly from a dealership that has it in stock today, this company is filing for bankruptcy any second here and placing an order for one will just get you a place in line as a creditor in bankruptcy court. Good luck, I hope you have made computer programming and hacking skills.
FYI TRIED TO BUY A DISCOUNTED FISKER N THEY NEVER CALLED ME
Don't know if I would've taken it but not even a call
Fisker sales/ service going through dealerships, I recommend you contact the nearest one, that's where they ship vehicles to.
NOTHING out there looks as good or has as good styling as the Ocean.
It will make a pretty paper weight in a few months.
Or even drive as smoothly
@@wizzyno1566isn't it sad that we live in a world where people choose to celebrate bad fortunes on others and then be assholes about it?
Eh? I don’t see how it’s so good it looks like a generic EV.
You judging based on pics or in person? It’s not ugly but it’s pretty average.
@@Chairman_Wang I've seen it in person and driven it. It looks so much different than every generic crossover out there.
Fisker is dead and the ocean too, cause there are no assets in a company with no plant and no much more than a developed car.
And if Fisker would have been bought then the contracts with Magna might have to be re negotiated cause I bet Fisker did not pay and therefore Magna canceled the contract which means: there is nothing you can buy from Fisker than the cars in stock and inventory
Dead like hell.
Fisker should be improving the parts quality during this 6 week production pause, saving cost, Tesla has 46,000 unsold Model Y's and could become unprofitable soon, neither are dead
All the Fisker Ocean owners - I’m sorry. You unfortunately believed in a company that was destined to fail :(
With April sales numbers strongest ever potentially, Fisker is just beginning and 3.0 software updates this month, Fisker is the Future.
I get that software is important for an EV, but what about fit and finish, material quality, attention to detail, etc? I remember when the Karma came out and a local Ford Dealer (Ted Britt) had half a dozen of them, unsold at two year old. I was there helping a friend car shop (she ended up with an Acura she still has) and I asked to look at one and the fit and finish was by far the worst I have ever seen on a production model. Worse than a mid-90s Hyundai Accent bad, on a vastly over-priced, kinda ugly model from a dead brand.
The Ocean isn't some terrible car, it's just not strong enough as is to carry the whole company. -Travis
Today Fisker tomorrow it will be all of the EV industry - - - drill baby drill
Tomorrow seems like a pretty steep collapse. -Travis
The Fiskers are very nice people who hire friends and relatives for executive positions. This is not the way to run a competitive business. - Gen Z
To all the people who went Gaga over the first press releases and bought one of these. Please label yourself a fool. Now you have been parted from your money. Way to loose 40k in value in 3 months. If you bought in January. Soon to be paper weight value.
The saying goes "fool me once, shame on you", I don't think there's any need to make fun of folks who bought a vehicle they liked because the company is in trouble. -Travis
I am one of those 5,000 fools. I can afford my whims.
@@redstaper2414just because you can afford it doesn't make it clever.
@@redstaper2414 congratulations that the purchase did not move your net worth needle much. That is the way.
@@wizzyno1566 I never said I was "clever", but you may be.
give this company time to survive and fix the issues instead beating it while its down, sounds like most of youtubers including EV buyers guide are just trying to get some viewers from Fisker while its centre of attention , not cool guys
Talking about their potential bankruptcy is not beating it while it's down. It's automotive news. Remember, this is not bullying a person. It's talking about the state of a company run by a guy who has shown in the past he can't run a company. People shilling for Vinfast sound about as sad as you do here.
It’s run out of time…more importantly money.
@@scott8919 you know you are full of it so stop that you know why they are doing this ,, and compare Vinfast with Fisker just because MHKBD did this has longest range out of all EVs and possibly the most reliable ,,these they should focus on
@@nothin2chere626 thats your opinion some of us think they will survive
Their efforts to fix the issues are quite public and they aren't going well, it's not up to us how much time they have. -Travis
The company is dead....billion in debt...
Fisker..Over $ 400 million in revenue and April 2024 should deliver record revenue.
@@2023gainerBankrupt
"Fisker owners" aka clueless people lol
That would only come.from.a BORING TESLA driver !
@@TheEVGuy-rx9juboring = works properly.
That's not our position, and part of our effort here is to make sure prospective owners are clued in. -Travis
So these clowns are saying the owners who think their Ocean is fine and they like them are wrong ?😂😂 The absurdity of these RUclipsrs who think they are gods and they know it the best for everyone !
Nobody ever said "fine" is wrong, but if you think the Ocean is "the best car in the world" as some have lately said, then I'm sorry, that is wrong. Clearly the best car in the world is a 1999 Mercedes 560 SEL...
Fisker is a money pit that won’t even be serviced by a company that is about to go poof 💨
@@EVBuyersGuide I'm saying where are videos telling people not to buy other garbage EVs that ripping people off of their money , with fake range like Tesla model S and Hyundai , bad designs like cybertrucks and defective batteries like BYDs , why is everyone focused on Fisker ? If owners are happy let them be ! You are def not doing current or future owners any favor by beating down the company that's trying to support them !, maybe just doing yourself a favour by gaining viewers ..All of you lay off this company for God sake find a different hobby
@@temaus don't use terms you don't know the meaning of
@@alatmancave7093 Uh, you clearly haven't watched much of our coverage. We always include real-world range, talk about Tesla's differing range calculations and focus on buyer focused reviews. We covered the Fisker and the Fisker Ocean because that's what viewers wanted. As we clearly mentioned the rental of the Fisker Ocean was booked *months* before Fisker's current issues came to light.
Shame on you wanna be journalists. There are still problems with Tesla AutoPilot with phantom braking events, we still don’t have production FSD YET you are never consistently harsh on Tesla about this. Tesla still delivers cars with visible problems yet you don’t critique them harshly as a manufacturer. The CyberTruck is being delivered without AutoPilot or FSD yet you are not harsh on them for doing so. When the Model 3 was 1st released there was a laundry list of things requiring fixing (water in trunk, taillights, noisy, etc.) demonstrating this is not a Fisker-only problem. If you don’t want to judge vehicles with a consistent standard, disclose your bias upfront.
😂😂😂
Sounds like you have a bias here instead.
Tesla made Model Y that was the most popular CAR in the world in 2023.
People love it, company is doing great, and ownership is straightforward.
FSD isn’t a required purchase, most people don’t have it. And phantom braking is an issue with lots of cars including my Ford Transit - it happens due to camera glares
Exactly
@@temausTesla fanboy !
@@alatmancave7093Fisker fanboy!
That shit doesn't help anyone ...