I wish I could show this to every Springbok supporter who claim that one-dimensional forward play, where the backs are only employed to kick and chase, is the Springbok way.
From NZ , I would say the best springbok backline ever..would loved to have seen them up against the 89 All blacks in a 4 test series 2 home and 2 away.would have been awesome
@@lockk132 Yeah such a pity the Boks didn't compensate in the 1987 RWC. Not saying we would've won, but we certainly was the only team that had a chance of beating the AB's.
Naas is simply sublime. We could only wish to have a strategic and tactical mind in any flyhalf today. I have never seen his equal not here nor abroad.
@@FTMJarra Carter is great. Make no mistake. But he is no Naas. Maybe had a touch more flair than Naas, but that’s about it. Naas, is a match winner. Full stop. And by that I mean… he takes control of a match like no other player I’ve ever seen. Can take a game away from the opponent in no time. If he played in the modern game, he would’ve gotten to 1000 points before Carter did. And I mean in matches. Could kick, palace kick and drop with both feet, from pretty much anywhere just inside his own half. The way he could pick up balls, wet, heavy and snotty leather balls, in rainy weather, is another thing that sets him apart. He will forever be remembered for his kicking game, but he could send a back line away like no one else. His vision, understanding, the reading of the game, and just the sheer presence on the field, is what makes him greater than Carter. In the modern game, flyhalfs are a protected species… Naas was hunted more viciously than any other player, yet, time and time again, his teams would dominate and win matches. And that was mainly because of the ‘Naas’ factor. His only blight, is that he wasn’t known for his defence, but when it mattered, he never hid away. Probably the biggest sporting name in South African sporting history. Not just rugby. Naas is Baas brah… Phil Bennet next, then Carlos Spencer, then Larkham and then perhaps Carter. But I personally rate Wilkinson a better fly half than Carter.
Real rugby by real legends. That Jaco Reinach was a bullet. And had such great hands. Most of these balls they pick up off their shoelaces and still produce magic. He could still be springbok wing any day even in today's game. He was the reason I always wanted to play wing.
Must admit, it was a good team and as much as I understand why they were isolated , it’s a pity the world did not really get to see their potential at the world cups I think the Boks post 1992 more than made up for it with 3 world cups
naas botha, the best reader of the game ever, he knew beforehand what the opposition would be doing and placed himself in the right places all the time. his biggest weakness would be tackling but those days he didn't need to tackle much anyway. NZ should be greatful that SA weren't aloud to play the first world cup 1987. we would have one that one too.
Keep dreaming. This wasn't the All Blacks just some mercenaries at the end of their careers. The proper All Blacks stayed in NZ and beat the FrenchThere was nothing courageous about the Cavaliers going to South Africa and supporting a racist and facist regime. The real heroes were All Black captain David Kirk and All Black superstar John Kirwan who refused to travel. The All Blacks adifferent team to this in 87 would of easily taken care of that Bok team playing away from home without local refs and at at sea level. South Africa showed in 92 when they came back that they were well behind in their rugby.
I wish the Boks can go back to running rugby because they are good at it They tried to do it in that 1997-98 period but it was a false dawn Let’s go back to running rugby
@@dawiebenjamin3249 yeah but everyone is free to go to Sandton now unlike before, and the Boks won 3 world cups during the so called a communist regime, so all is not so bad , well except for racists
“Naas is a genius - a match winner. I’ve often said it and I’ll say it again: I cannot believe that a team with Naas Botha in its ranks could ever lose a match. This is what Doc Craven said about Botha "He can win virtually on his own against any opposition. Naas has the presence of mind to know exactly what is happening, to sum up his opponents and instantly decide on the correct tactics. Give me Naas Botha any day and I’ll beat the world…”
@@TheseoThinker Joost was great. Danie was the greatest, best rugby player I've ever seen. If he was playing today he would be the best centre in the world by far. Probably would have won world player of the year 3 or 4 times. There's no other GOAT
There is no way in hell that Springbok team would've lost to NZ in 1987. I guess it must've hurt twice as bad when we finally got admitted in 95. I wonder how we would've gone in 91? We had a pretty good side those years.
If you talk about Naas Botha, just remember what happened in the 1987 CC final. Half time and Northern Transvaal was in serious trouble. Apparently Naas told them "just give me the ball". The rest is history.
Great video and shot for sharing it, nice little piece of history right there. Just too bad most of the comments are about politics and not the game. Cheers Boet!
you think they got paid tons of cash back in the 80's? you are mistaken... rugby has nothing to do with politics. it has everything to do with the love of the game...
Yes they were paid. We're talking about the New Zealand Cavaliers here. They were an unofficial NZ team that toured when the NZRFU banned games against apartheid SA. Each player got a stuffed brown envelope after each game and a 2 match ban on return to NZ. The New Zealand Cavaliers were similar to the rebel Argentine and World XV tours in the 1980's - paid for by the SARFU to satisfy the SA public's love of international rugby during the isolation years.
I was glad the Cavaliers toured South Africa, after the All Blacks were stopped the year before. Politics needs to stay the fuck out of sport .Sport is a form of human expression and brings countries together , uniting them . This Springbok backline was exceptional with the likes of World Class legends of the game, Botha, Gerber and Carl DePlussis. I predicted a Springbok series win as they were too big, strong and fast for the New Zealand backline. The forward battle went to New Zealand, but the attacking ability of the Springbok backs was sublime. The Springboks would have definitely won the 1987 World Cup. That's coming from a wise New Zealander.
I have yet to see the post isolation Springboks score a try like try nr 3. There was once a time in the past when the boring, one dimensional Springboks could actually play running, attacking rugby.
In 1986 they were the 2 “official” languages in South Africa. In an era before interactive TV sports commentary alternated between the 2. If you didn’t understand both then at least you could understand some of it.
The Afrikaners kicked some mean ass those day's, still do!! de Villiers, du Preez, Burger, Hougaard x 2, o and my favourite, the du Plessis brothers, and steyn.. Wow, those are the ultimate white folk! Good rugby played by real men!!
There was a lot of controversy back in NZ on the All Blacks touring SA under the name of the Cavaliers in 1986 due to the official SA tour being cancelled the previous year. They were not an official NZ side sanctioned by the NZRU and those players received bans when they returned. The Bok team were better winning 3-1 in the tests but sorry what did it prove in the end?
No Kirwan, Gallagher, Stanley, Kirk, Brooke, Jones, Fitzpatrick, Drake, Botica etc ... so proved nothing, just deluded SA into thinking they were the best against a shadow NZ B team. (At best) ... 87 ABs would have smoked them, 86/87 wallabies and french teams were alot better. A real shame SA weren't at the WC in 87 though.
@@steveburt7403 At that time the Boks led the ABs in tests and series away wins. The ABs only won an away series against the Boks in 96. Your assertions are a good example of confirmation bias, certainly not based on fact, just mere unfounded speculation
With the exception of Kirwan and Kirk the other players you mentioned were not yet ABs when the Cavaliers tour took place in early 1986 but most of them were key players in 87. Did the late great John Drake go on the Cavaliers tour? I can't remember@@steveburt7403
@DHTCF LOL You must be a WP supporter not to think Naas Botha was not as good as the other three. Danie Craven, who new a lot more about rugby than 99% of people out there described Botha as a rugby genius and considering that Craven was a Stellenbosch coach, it is certainly not something to ignore.
Of the 30 players who had been selected for the 1985 tour, only David Kirk and John Kirwan did not join the Cavaliers in 1986 - it was an All Back team in all but name. By the time of the 1987 Rugby World Cup, the All Blacks decided to drop many of the old guard from the Cavaliers tour, and played with a relatively inexperienced side, so comparisons with this Cavaliers team regarding who would have won the RWC87 are not really valid. The RWC squads in those days were only 25 strong. Cavaliers who won the RWC87: A.Whetton, McDowall, Pierce, G.Whetton, Anderson, Shelford, Deans, Fox, Taylor and Crowley. A selection of the 15 inexperienced players who made the RWC87 team and had nothing to do with the Cavaliers: Kirk, Kirwan, Fitzpatrick, Michael Jones, Zinzan Brooke, Frano Botica, Joe Stanley, John Gallagher. Still, the 1987 RWC was still 'empty' without the participation of this great Springbok team. Who would have won? Who knows. I would have loved to have seen e.g. Joe Stanley versus Danie Gerber though. The world of rugby missed out!!
@001Dixie The All Blacks may be chokers at World Cups, and look that's fair enough, but it's wrong to see us as just chokers. Every game is a must win for the All Blacks, not just a tournament every 4 years. The ABs have a 75% overall win ratio, a winning record against every nation they've played, they've never lost to Ireland or Scotland, etc etc. You get the point. Anyway, Danie Gerber and Phillipe Sella would be my picks for greatest centres of all time. Of notable mention, Tim Horan too.
This answers question around who is the GOAT rugby team. It is the springboks from late 1977 to 1987. The right men at the wrong moment. Excluded from rwc 1987 in total obscurity.
@DHTCF You certainly had not followed the media outrage in New Zealand when the Cavaliers went on tour - remember the players were already "bombed" when the Springboks toured New Zealand 5 years before. They risked being banned from playing in the 87 WC etcSo YES, it took courage.
When you are in numbers and at the end of your illustrious career, its hard to tell who is really courageous, but when one or two do it risking their careers, its a little more outstanding.
jesus the Cavaliers were worse than i thought. Played like they are hung over. No defensive line organized. Slow unfit and not up to international standards even for the day. Bloody provincial team would have done better. Christ no wonder this was not televised in nz.
@@mrRoetser Most of the Cavaliers were well into their 30s at the end of their careers and never played at the 87 World cup. Hayden, Mexed, Knight, Shaw, Dalton, Ashworth, Fraser, Loveridge, Clamp, Robbins...
@@floydkingi4364 bru you can try and sugar coat it all you like. The fact is the NZ selected an official All Black squad to tour South Africa before the Cavaliers tour. Of all the player selected for the AB’s squad, only 2 (Krik & Kirwan) decided not to tour with the Cavaliers. They were beaten by arguably one of the best Springbok sides ever. No shame in that.
@@mrRoetser Oh there is no doubt this is one of the best Springbok sides ever and were clearly No. 1in the World at the time. They were certainly good enough to win the 87 RWC, however at the RWC nothing is a given, poor refereeing, poor form on the day, the ooposition playing the game of their life on the day can suddenly change the narrative. So to say SA would definitely have won the World Cup is a bit presumptuous. It would have been great to see them play, imagine Jaco Rheinach v John Kirwan, Gerber v Stanley, the younger fitter, well coached ABs would definetely given the Boks a good go, it would jave been interesting. In your comment you said this same Cavaliers team won the following years World cup, this clearly isnt true, most of this team playing here didnt play in the 87 RWC and all I was doing was pointing that out. Of the 87 top NZ XV that won the RWC only 4 were in this game, Grant Fox, Craig Green, Gary Whetton and Warwick Taylor
@RamKat24 Yeah, real courage to take a stand in favour of apartheid! I mean, what a terribel risk, that they might be banned from playing in the World Cup!
Corageous NZ cavaliers? Nothing courageous about touring SA under apartheid. Courageous was John Taylor for refusing to tour in 74, having done so in 68.
Spot on, its only the sore thumbs in a crowd of "Group think" that can be called courageous. Courageous were also the millions of South Africans back then who trod along whilst being oppressed, but the apartheid apaologists who are now on the back foot would want you to believe that because things are not so great for them as it was back then, that back then was better, selfish gits
Saw a comment by Naas Botha recently so thought I'd check him out on this vintage footage. Not bad, although certainly nothing like as good as I'd been led to suppose. I see that he made a decent fist of club rugby in the USA. His win ratio against other nations was surprisingly poor so I'm a bit puzzled by Craven's famous comment, but fair play to the man for making the most of his chances in this match. Entertaining enough, but you can see why Nelson Mandela said he and his fellow in-mates always cheered for the opposition when the books were playing.
He went to the US in his old age and played in isolation (mostly domestic Curry cup rugby). You can't learn much from his US stint. He was the Bulls match winner. I was a Western province boy. I felt the pain of Naas's sting.
Thanks for your comment. In the past few years (since I made my post) I've managed to see the Boks play Wales three times in Cardiff. All great matches, and honours roughly even. Today's Boks are something special, but you still hear older fans talk in raptures about the likes of Gerber and Jan Ellis. Not so much Botha, it seems, but I'm sure he has his advocates. @@wernererasmus2334
@RamKat24 Think about the way that rugby reacted when John Taylor refused to tour with the lions in 74, and tell me then that it took courage to go and play rugby on racist tours.
Like I suppose it took courage for Goering to take a defiant stance at Neuremberg. Possibly. But I prefer John Taylor's courage. His was courage on the side of right, not courage in supporting an evil racist regime. His was the courage of a decent man.
Apartheid SA vs the crumbling, corrupt destroyed nation today? I know where most blacks would choose. Their neighbour Ian Smith was absolutely right. I met a black Sudanese recently who openly admitted they needed the colonists back. There's honesty & integrity. Meanwhile, Peter Hain et al watch SA burn as they sit smugly in Britain...
What happened? Springboks no longer score tries, just kicks to win by 1 point. Most boring team in rugby History. And SA would have been smashed in the 87 WC. So much arrogance from the rainbow nation.
When I see Danie and Carl run with the ball I get tears in my eyes. They were so good.
I wish I could show this to every Springbok supporter who claim that one-dimensional forward play, where the backs are only employed to kick and chase, is the Springbok way.
True- uber sharp
Eternal Legends of the Game, Carel du Plessis prince of wings
Nice side step from Uli Schmidt there , hooker running like a center
Looks like they were just having a casual chat as they run towards the try line 😅
Wat is Afrikaans toch een heerlijke taal om te horen :)
Cool match, by the way!
Such a pity this Bok backline never really had the opportunity to play international rugby. One of the best backlines ever.
From NZ , I would say the best springbok backline ever..would loved to have seen them up against the 89 All blacks in a 4 test series 2 home and 2 away.would have been awesome
@@lockk132
Yeah such a pity the Boks didn't compensate in the 1987 RWC. Not saying we would've won, but we certainly was the only team that had a chance of beating the AB's.
Naas is simply sublime. We could only wish to have a strategic and tactical mind in any flyhalf today. I have never seen his equal not here nor abroad.
what.?? you've never seen Daniel Carter.??
Agree. The biggest match winner of all time. He dominated like no player before or after him.
@@FTMJarra
Ja he played a few games for Northern Freestate, but he was actually from Boland? Carter ja. Good bloke.
@@FTMJarra naas averaged 12 to 15 points for every match he played. back when tries were only 3 points. but carter was very good
@@FTMJarra Carter is great. Make no mistake. But he is no Naas. Maybe had a touch more flair than Naas, but that’s about it.
Naas, is a match winner. Full stop. And by that I mean… he takes control of a match like no other player I’ve ever seen.
Can take a game away from the opponent in no time.
If he played in the modern game, he would’ve gotten to 1000 points before Carter did. And I mean in matches.
Could kick, palace kick and drop with both feet, from pretty much anywhere just inside his own half.
The way he could pick up balls, wet, heavy and snotty leather balls, in rainy weather, is another thing that sets him apart.
He will forever be remembered for his kicking game, but he could send a back line away like no one else. His vision, understanding, the reading of the game, and just the sheer presence on the field, is what makes him greater than Carter.
In the modern game, flyhalfs are a protected species…
Naas was hunted more viciously than any other player, yet, time and time again, his teams would dominate and win matches. And that was mainly because of the ‘Naas’ factor.
His only blight, is that he wasn’t known for his defence, but when it mattered, he never hid away. Probably the biggest sporting name in South African sporting history. Not just rugby.
Naas is Baas brah…
Phil Bennet next, then Carlos Spencer, then Larkham and then perhaps Carter. But I personally rate Wilkinson a better fly half than Carter.
Would have won world cup in 87 Danie Gerber best center I've seen and I'm Welsh
im a KIWI and damn what an amazing Centre
No they won’t , they will come close but the Al Blacks at home were unbeatable
@@SupremeBros2012 dude if you undermine these legends, then you don't know Bok history, they were the very best.
Tim Horan made him look stupid
@@mootheconqueror1965one moment dumbass .
Get a grip
Real rugby by real legends. That Jaco Reinach was a bullet. And had such great hands. Most of these balls they pick up off their shoelaces and still produce magic. He could still be springbok wing any day even in today's game. He was the reason I always wanted to play wing.
Loved Jaco...
Must admit, it was a good team and as much as I understand why they were isolated , it’s a pity the world did not really get to see their potential at the world cups
I think the Boks post 1992 more than made up for it with 3 world cups
I always loved Jaco.
My fave winger in the 80s.
Funny who your inspiration is.
As a young adult James small was mine
Naas..Danie..Uli..Carl...Garth...sheez...unbeatable
naas botha, the best reader of the game ever, he knew beforehand what the opposition would be doing and placed himself in the right places all the time. his biggest weakness would be tackling but those days he didn't need to tackle much anyway. NZ should be greatful that SA weren't aloud to play the first world cup 1987. we would have one that one too.
Keep dreaming. This wasn't the All Blacks just some mercenaries at the end of their careers. The proper All Blacks stayed in NZ and beat the FrenchThere was nothing courageous about the Cavaliers going to South Africa and supporting a racist and facist regime. The real heroes were All Black captain David Kirk and All Black superstar John Kirwan who refused to travel. The All Blacks adifferent team to this in 87 would of easily taken care of that Bok team playing away from home without local refs and at at sea level.
South Africa showed in 92 when they came back that they were well behind in their rugby.
@@MrAhuapai yeh and look at the communist regime now.
I wish the Boks can go back to running rugby because they are good at it
They tried to do it in that 1997-98 period but it was a false dawn
Let’s go back to running rugby
@@dawiebenjamin3249 yeah but everyone is free to go to Sandton now unlike before, and the Boks won 3 world cups during the so called a communist regime, so all is not so bad , well except for racists
“Naas is a genius - a match winner. I’ve often said it and I’ll say it again: I cannot believe that a team with Naas Botha in its ranks could ever lose a match.
This is what Doc Craven said about Botha
"He can win virtually on his own against any opposition. Naas has the presence of mind to know exactly what is happening, to sum up his opponents and instantly decide on the correct tactics. Give me Naas Botha any day and I’ll beat the world…”
💯. The great lie is that he was a kicking flyhalf. His hands, speed and pass made him the ultimate backline general.
Naas had fantastic hands and could pick up almost anything thrown his way.
Danie Gerber,the greatest springbok of all time! Poetry in motion!
No. JVDW is the GOAT
@@TheseoThinker Joost was great. Danie was the greatest, best rugby player I've ever seen. If he was playing today he would be the best centre in the world by far. Probably would have won world player of the year 3 or 4 times. There's no other GOAT
NO NO NO simply the greatest player of all times
There is no way in hell that Springbok team would've lost to NZ in 1987. I guess it must've hurt twice as bad when we finally got admitted in 95. I wonder how we would've gone in 91? We had a pretty good side those years.
What a wonderful memory!! Sjoe!!!! And that amazing commentary as well - Gerhard Viviers..?
Thank you Naas Botha !!!
What a dream backline.
Yes, i still rate this back line as South Africa's greatest ever fielded.
If you talk about Naas Botha, just remember what happened in the 1987 CC final. Half time and Northern Transvaal was in serious trouble. Apparently Naas told them "just give me the ball". The rest is history.
Man that was a phenomenal series...them Cavaliers were the real deal ...the team even performed the Haka...well done Boks in winning the series 3-1...
Best Springbok team of all time...?
Mooi om te sien, lekker om Spiekeries se stem ook weer te hoor.
Great video and shot for sharing it, nice little piece of history right there.
Just too bad most of the comments are about politics and not the game.
Cheers Boet!
Back in the good ol' days by the looks when the Boks actually played good rugby unlike todays mob(2012)...!..
you think they got paid tons of cash back in the 80's? you are mistaken... rugby has nothing to do with politics. it has everything to do with the love of the game...
Beste video op youtube. Dankie.
I was in Loftus when Uli scored that try. Never seen Loftus so full.
*at
Jaco Reinach, nog 'n groot Vrystater!!
absoluut hy was
Yes they were paid. We're talking about the New Zealand Cavaliers here. They were an unofficial NZ team that toured when the NZRFU banned games against apartheid SA. Each player got a stuffed brown envelope after each game and a 2 match ban on return to NZ.
The New Zealand Cavaliers were similar to the rebel Argentine and World XV tours in the 1980's - paid for by the SARFU to satisfy the SA public's love of international rugby during the isolation years.
Spot on, this is why I respect John Taylor of Wales
They are the best 1987 we would be wc champs
I see Uli was already lurking on the wing in 1986!
Would have loved to see that Bok team take on the 87 All Blacks.
Eternal legends❤️
I was glad the Cavaliers toured South Africa, after the All Blacks were stopped the year before. Politics needs to stay the fuck out of sport .Sport is a form of human expression and brings countries together , uniting them . This Springbok backline was exceptional with the likes of World Class legends of the game, Botha, Gerber and Carl DePlussis. I predicted a Springbok series win as they were too big, strong and fast for the New Zealand backline. The forward battle went to New Zealand, but the attacking ability of the Springbok backs was sublime. The Springboks would have definitely won the 1987 World Cup. That's coming from a wise New Zealander.
I have yet to see the post isolation Springboks score a try like try nr 3. There was once a time in the past when the boring, one dimensional Springboks could actually play running, attacking rugby.
hier is spoed ,hier is spoed
AFRIKAANS JOU MOOI TAAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EK MIS MY LAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ons is almal opgebreek. Families friende die lot. Baie hartseer
Great footage - many thanks! Any idea why the commentary switches between English and Afrikaans?
In 1986 they were the 2 “official” languages in South Africa. In an era before interactive TV sports commentary alternated between the 2. If you didn’t understand both then at least you could understand some of it.
What was Naas Botha's number of test tries that he scored.
Ai dit is nostalgies, truie soos die altyd indrukwekkend.
Hi. Who was the Commentary team?
The Afrikaners kicked some mean ass those day's, still do!! de Villiers, du Preez, Burger, Hougaard x 2, o and my favourite, the du Plessis brothers, and steyn.. Wow, those are the ultimate white folk! Good rugby played by real men!!
Quite agree.
Seemed to have little need to pass, took any opposing backline on.
There was a lot of controversy back in NZ on the All Blacks touring SA under the name of the Cavaliers in 1986 due to the official SA tour being cancelled the previous year. They were not an official NZ side sanctioned by the NZRU and those players received bans when they returned. The Bok team were better winning 3-1 in the tests but sorry what did it prove in the end?
It proved rugby was the winner.
The players from NZ wanted to test themselves to see if they were the best in the world.
That the first two RWCs were a farce
No Kirwan, Gallagher, Stanley, Kirk, Brooke, Jones, Fitzpatrick, Drake, Botica etc ... so proved nothing, just deluded SA into thinking they were the best against a shadow NZ B team. (At best) ... 87 ABs would have smoked them, 86/87 wallabies and french teams were alot better. A real shame SA weren't at the WC in 87 though.
@@steveburt7403 At that time the Boks led the ABs in tests and series away wins.
The ABs only won an away series against the Boks in 96.
Your assertions are a good example of confirmation bias, certainly not based on fact, just mere unfounded speculation
With the exception of Kirwan and Kirk the other players you mentioned were not yet ABs when the Cavaliers tour took place in early 1986 but most of them were key players in 87. Did the late great John Drake go on the Cavaliers tour? I can't remember@@steveburt7403
This Bok team would have made RWC '87 far more interesting...
Think they going to do the same tomorrow 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
$100,000 was worth the trip.I can't blame them .
Amper nog mooier as die rugby self is die Afrikaanse kommentaar. Lieflik.
Beautiful game!! I wish i had grown up in those days! Politics aside…
The commentary of those tries are all ingrained in my head.
Serie 100% Springbok and 70% All Black
@DHTCF LOL You must be a WP supporter not to think Naas Botha was not as good as the other three. Danie Craven, who new a lot more about rugby than 99% of people out there described Botha as a rugby genius and considering that Craven was a Stellenbosch coach, it is certainly not something to ignore.
Danie Gerber beste senter op planeet ooit ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@DHTCF And dont forget Naas Botha
@DHTCF LOL First time I heard that it is courageous to be PC in public.
The ground was also harder in ‘86.
Die goeie ou dae, verseker?
Of the 30 players who had been selected for the 1985 tour, only David Kirk and John Kirwan did not join the Cavaliers in 1986 - it was an All Back team in all but name.
By the time of the 1987 Rugby World Cup, the All Blacks decided to drop many of the old guard from the Cavaliers tour, and played with a relatively inexperienced side, so comparisons with this Cavaliers team regarding who would have won the RWC87 are not really valid.
The RWC squads in those days were only 25 strong.
Cavaliers who won the RWC87: A.Whetton, McDowall, Pierce, G.Whetton, Anderson, Shelford, Deans, Fox, Taylor and Crowley.
A selection of the 15 inexperienced players who made the RWC87 team and had nothing to do with the Cavaliers: Kirk, Kirwan, Fitzpatrick, Michael Jones, Zinzan Brooke, Frano Botica, Joe Stanley, John Gallagher.
Still, the 1987 RWC was still 'empty' without the participation of this great Springbok team. Who would have won? Who knows. I would have loved to have seen e.g. Joe Stanley versus Danie Gerber though. The world of rugby missed out!!
@001Dixie The All Blacks may be chokers at World Cups, and look that's fair enough, but it's wrong to see us as just chokers. Every game is a must win for the All Blacks, not just a tournament every 4 years. The ABs have a 75% overall win ratio, a winning record against every nation they've played, they've never lost to Ireland or Scotland, etc etc. You get the point.
Anyway, Danie Gerber and Phillipe Sella would be my picks for greatest centres of all time. Of notable mention, Tim Horan too.
I certainly agree with that centre pair
This answers question around who is the GOAT rugby team.
It is the springboks from late 1977 to 1987.
The right men at the wrong moment. Excluded from rwc 1987 in total obscurity.
1987 WCup is South Africa ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@DHTCF You certainly had not followed the media outrage in New Zealand when the Cavaliers went on tour - remember the players were already "bombed" when the Springboks toured New Zealand 5 years before. They risked being banned from playing in the 87 WC etcSo YES, it took courage.
When you are in numbers and at the end of your illustrious career, its hard to tell who is really courageous, but when one or two do it risking their careers, its a little more outstanding.
Big men those days hard ❤😂
South Africa would win the world cup
Naas, Carel, Uli, Danie, JohanH, Oom Schalk, Jaco......... kan noe beter kry nie, wat n span!
well said sir
South Africa would won wc 1987
dis mos nou pragtig
not bad for a guy that makes Ronan O'Gara look like Frank Bunce in defence.
Dit was nog mooi rugby.....
Anyone else here from bt sport?
@blindeblanke
Try number 2...
1:46 knock on?
Marc Cawood Learn the rules
Courage or the lure of a big pay cheque?
Best tries bokke the best in the world
@DHTCF But Gerber, du Plessis and Schmidt were great players.
Well one player came back and bought a Pub outright... is that enough money for ya?
Die goeie ou dae!!
Of course sport and politics are mixed. You don’t play sport against countries who you are at war with.
Naas Botha scored a try?!?!
South Africa Rugby would of been great if it wasn't for apartheid sadly
SA was great BECAUSE of apartheid. As you watch SA & American cities collapse, convince me otherwise
If you watch any rugby vids from this period, these guys were sooo bad at catching a ball! Skill levels have gone up tremendously.
Hier is spoed! 400 m athlete.
jesus the Cavaliers were worse than i thought. Played like they are hung over. No defensive line organized. Slow unfit and not up to international standards even for the day. Bloody provincial team would have done better. Christ no wonder this was not televised in nz.
Nz Rugby learned alot from this tour , specially from Danie Gerber do a study of it and sorry for the spelling
That same Cavaliers team won the world cup 1 year later when the Springboks were not allowed to play..
@@mrRoetser Most of the Cavaliers were well into their 30s at the end of their careers and never played at the 87 World cup. Hayden, Mexed, Knight, Shaw, Dalton, Ashworth, Fraser, Loveridge, Clamp, Robbins...
@@floydkingi4364 bru you can try and sugar coat it all you like. The fact is the NZ selected an official All Black squad to tour South Africa before the Cavaliers tour. Of all the player selected for the AB’s squad, only 2 (Krik & Kirwan) decided not to tour with the Cavaliers. They were beaten by arguably one of the best Springbok sides ever. No shame in that.
@@mrRoetser Oh there is no doubt this is one of the best Springbok sides ever and were clearly No. 1in the World at the time. They were certainly good enough to win the 87 RWC, however at the RWC nothing is a given, poor refereeing, poor form on the day, the ooposition playing the game of their life on the day can suddenly change the narrative. So to say SA would definitely have won the World Cup is a bit presumptuous. It would have been great to see them play, imagine Jaco Rheinach v John Kirwan, Gerber v Stanley, the younger fitter, well coached ABs would definetely given the Boks a good go, it would jave been interesting. In your comment you said this same Cavaliers team won the following years World cup, this clearly isnt true, most of this team playing here didnt play in the 87 RWC and all I was doing was pointing that out. Of the 87 top NZ XV that won the RWC only 4 were in this game, Grant Fox, Craig Green, Gary Whetton and Warwick Taylor
well...things aren't all black and white...
Naas is baas.
@RamKat24 Yeah, real courage to take a stand in favour of apartheid! I mean, what a terribel risk, that they might be banned from playing in the World Cup!
Apartheid was the only way to run SA. My point is undeniably proven today.
Corageous NZ cavaliers? Nothing courageous about touring SA under apartheid. Courageous was John Taylor for refusing to tour in 74, having done so in 68.
Spot on, its only the sore thumbs in a crowd of "Group think" that can be called courageous. Courageous were also the millions of South Africans back then who trod along whilst being oppressed, but the apartheid apaologists who are now on the back foot would want you to believe that because things are not so great for them as it was back then, that back then was better, selfish gits
They were very brave touring libtard.
Something a coward like you would know nothing about
Saw a comment by Naas Botha recently so thought I'd check him out on this vintage footage. Not bad, although certainly nothing like as good as I'd been led to suppose. I see that he made a decent fist of club rugby in the USA. His win ratio against other nations was surprisingly poor so I'm a bit puzzled by Craven's famous comment, but fair play to the man for making the most of his chances in this match. Entertaining enough, but you can see why Nelson Mandela said he and his fellow in-mates always cheered for the opposition when the books were playing.
He went to the US in his old age and played in isolation (mostly domestic Curry cup rugby). You can't learn much from his US stint. He was the Bulls match winner. I was a Western province boy. I felt the pain of Naas's sting.
Thanks for your comment. In the past few years (since I made my post) I've managed to see the Boks play Wales three times in Cardiff. All great matches, and honours roughly even. Today's Boks are something special, but you still hear older fans talk in raptures about the likes of Gerber and Jan Ellis. Not so much Botha, it seems, but I'm sure he has his advocates. @@wernererasmus2334
rightfully? oh okay
Ag is dit nie mooi nie!! Hahahhaha
Bokke to strong for the all blacks
Ja Nee. Kyk net hoe goed is hulle. Maar Vandag se span Is nie eens so goed nie.
Net ingeval...😂
@RamKat24 Think about the way that rugby reacted when John Taylor refused to tour with the lions in 74, and tell me then that it took courage to go and play rugby on racist tours.
Not racist. Just superior.
Chick Henderson you bloody legend
Like I suppose it took courage for Goering to take a defiant stance at Neuremberg. Possibly. But I prefer John Taylor's courage. His was courage on the side of right, not courage in supporting an evil racist regime. His was the courage of a decent man.
Correct, Add Gerald Davies to the mix as well
Empty virtue signalling, a precursor to the anti-white racism we have Today driven by far left idealogs.
Apartheid SA vs the crumbling, corrupt destroyed nation today? I know where most blacks would choose. Their neighbour Ian Smith was absolutely right. I met a black Sudanese recently who openly admitted they needed the colonists back. There's honesty & integrity. Meanwhile, Peter Hain et al watch SA burn as they sit smugly in Britain...
What happened? Springboks no longer score tries, just kicks to win by 1 point. Most boring team in rugby History.
And SA would have been smashed in the 87 WC. So much arrogance from the rainbow nation.
Sorry bro, Boks at this rate will have to play in long sleeves.
Can somebody give this guy a hug, please?
@@dogsmusicbookstravelscience Razor gave NZ a hug. ABs will be #1 again soon.
@@TheflyingkiwiRC I'm so touched! Anyway, glad to see you've learnt one of life's fundamentals: You win some, you lose some.
Early tackle on Murray Mexted at 2.40 gives Naas Botha a try.
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The Cavaliers took the Kruger and shamed their country....
Big MVC Why ? Look at SA today , a real sh...hole . For us ,we saw them as heros and not pansies as the rest that had no balls going with the flow
No, Apartheid was right & they were right to play there
The forward pack like a bomb squad