Metalcore and emo fans are just as bad. I dealt with my fair share of them in the early 2000's. They all thought they knew everything about music and had it all figured out.
It's probably the music. As good as it is there is something depressing about it. I've been much happier since i started listening to Babymetal. Happy metal is a good thing that i never knew i was missing. It's actually not fun to be miserable. Not that i was a TOOL fan, but used to listen to Alice N Chains but i had to stop because i was feeling so depressed.
Seriously that was the only part of the video- other than Undertow being the best album by a top tier local band haha- that got me. I was like no we don’t say anything negative about Danny Carey out here, Mike.
Danny is certainly outclassed by other drummers in metal and jazz and whatnot, but his playing has so much character and he has inspired countless people to pick up the sticks.
As a BIG tool fan I would like to apologize for other fans. And I understand all your points and I love this video. You got your points across very well and I agree with a lot of them lol.
I know I’m a year late but I just found this video. Reading the comments about Tools fans has me cracking up. I’m a huge Eminem fan and his hardcore fans are by far the biggest A holes of all fan bases. They call themselves Stans and if you criticize Em in any way they will come for you. 🤣
@@andrewstableford9781 Eminem is nazel asf, and his lyrical composition is generic and boring. I admit, hes good at immitating lyrical inteligence, but there really isnt much there.
@Starlit_Akira Bro, for real? Eminems'greatest strength is his lyrical composition. Ok, his latest albums are dogshi... But almost his whole catalogue is incredible. He CONSTISTANTLY coming up with inavative lyrical movements. In fact, hes probably in the top 5.
I agree with you brother! They're a favorite of mine, but God this over-the-top loyalty of a fanbase. Maynard is my favorite rock vocalist, and Danny is one of my biggest influences. I also think the Dream Theater fanbase (who I'm also a part of) is horrible, and they're almost as toxic as Swifties. Mainly because of the Mangini vs. Portnoy bullshit.
I mean not going to lie I know what youre saying however unfortunately most bands secretly dislike or hate their fans. I respect the bands that have obnoxious fanbases but still at least appreciate them more just because whenever a lead singer shit talks fans it just comes off as being a gatekeeper and overall rubs me the wrong way.
@@omkarbharambe8673 Yo that's what I've been up to. Been listening to Blackwater Park and Still life for about three weeks now. Opeth is not a favorite of mine but holy crap they are an incredible band. Super underrated too.
This reminds me of Polyphia writing a song inspired by a Taylor Swift song, saying "I hated it so much, I had to analyse it and just find out why". I think that song became O.D.
@@F4Wildcat Don’t worry about it, if you like the music who cares what the fans think of the band. I love Iron Maiden & some of their fans are also over the top, I don’t care bro if I like it that’s all that matters.
I love the holistic, integrated nature of Tool's music. The fact that none of the musicians go out of their way to sound different from the rest of the band is refreshing to me, ESPECIALLY considering they are defined as a prog rock/metal band, where there is so much damned instrumental wanking. I also love their tone (the moment you hear them you know it's them). I enjoy the fact that the lyrics often match the music in a meta sort of way, such as singing of communication problems while time sigs are going crazy and then screaming "I know the pieces fit!" while everything matches up again. And lastly, Danny Carey is my favorite drummer, and I am not someone who generally has a "favorite" when it comes to music. I don't have a favorite guitarist or vocalist or band or record. But Carey's drumming inspires and moves me and just overwhelms me with joy and awe more than any other drummer I've heard. The fact that he doesn't seem to impress you all that much is something my ears just can't relate to. I'd take him over someone like Portnoy any day of the week. Tool's cultish fans are insufferable, but I can't put that on the band. As far as the 7 minutes of crickets pissing you off so much. I'm pretty sure that's the point. They are having a good time playing with their audience, similar to someone like Andy Kaufman.
Great comment... 'integrated' is the perfect description. That's the whole point of their music... if I want hooks, melody and solos I'll look elsewhere, but when I want holistic soundscapes, with groove, power and rhythm then I head to Tool! PS Not part of the Tool army but appreciate good music and Tool's best is very good.
I like Portnoy but mostly for his song writing. As a drummer he's pretty cool though ("COOL? HE'S MORE THAN COOL! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE") As some can tell, I'm generally pretty awful at judging at how musicians perform other than "Wow, that sounded good."
@@peppermillers8361 I don't know. As a drummer myself, Mike Portnoy didn't quite...how do you say this...tickle my balls, lol. Our band's guitarist is obsessed with Dream Theater and I mean unhealthy level of obsession. So he would shove these Dream Theater songs down my throat (not just mine but our whole band members' throat) and we were forced to listen to them during breaks, all the while going on on how great they are with this crazy smile/smirk on his face. He used to particularly tell me, in a psychotic way, how Mike Portnoy is the greatest drummer to have ever lived and other stuff. But listening to Portnoy's drumming never did it for me. Portnoy is cool and has great showmanship that I haven't seen any other drummers do but that's it. A Portnoy drum part in a song always goes like this - imitate the rhythm of the guitar/keyboard on the drums and add some linear fills (90% of the time it will be RLRLKK or some variation of that) in between and there you have it. You now have a Mike Portnoy drum part But drummers like Danny Carey, Gavin Harrison, Benny Greb, Vinnie Colaiuta always did it for. Cayse they had musicality in their drumming. Like istead of imitating what yhe guitar or bass or keyboard is doing, they come up with musical drum parts that compliment the song. Like the bridge section of Lateralus where the guitar is playing 6/8 while Danny does a groovy 5/8 drum beat, or that 3 over 4 polyrhythm section of Eulogy or how the verse sections of Reflection, Parabola, Lateralus are different musical tom patterns qnd many more
Honestly when i think about Tool i don't consider them as metal,they're not a conventional metal band so if you are a big metal fan Tool is probably not your favorite band,but if you listen to a lot of different genres you could have Tool in your top list. I am not a metal head and the heaviest bands that i like are Soad,Tool and Rammstein,and couple of older ones because they were the first bands that i listened to like Black Sabbath or Judas Priest,and for me Tool is one of the favorites,but if you are big fan of i don't know Slayer,Megadeth,Pantera etc,Tool don't fit in that group because they are more experimental and slow burner so i can understand why many metalheads don't like them..i hope someone will get my point😆😆
Absolutely agree. I do like metal but it's not my main genre and out of the "metal-ish" bands, Tool is great! That being said, I'll recommend Opeth. They have growls but they're similar to Tool.
*Why I hate The Doors:* I hate The Doors *Why I hate Nirvana:* I don't hate Nirvana, but Kurt isn't a genius *Why I hate Tool:* I don't hate Tool Edit: Oh, he changed the title nevermind.
Any famous musician who dies from drink or drugs is automatically a genius. In some cases, just being a junkie waster is enough to qualify as a genius.
Intentional or not, this video sums up exactly how Tool feels about Tool's fans. Tool is like the metal version of Enigma. I say this as a Tool fan. Also, the 7 minutes of crickets is a middle finger to Tool fans, basically telling them that they're insufferable idiots who WILL listen to 7 minutes of crickets and call it genius.
For me they're a 'it's sounds cool' when it comes up on the radio but not something i would buy and listen to on my own. I prefer something like Babymetal where half their songs sound completely different from any of their other songs.
@@jager9022 really people liked 7empest? I thought it was cringe inducing. Adams skill shines through on it sure, but the thing is if that's pretty much what's going for it, it's not well composed as a whole piece (a problem a lot of more technical groups suffer from) and Maynard's lyrics are just bad imo
@@devinhill6823 I love the song but I totally agree with you brotha. Tool songs are long because they're dry, Dream Theater songs are super short because of how much the song changes throughout.
@@michaelflorczyk1394 i wouldn't say they're dry, they just have different intentions with the music. Good comparison with Dream Theater though who also have different intentions. Looking at those two bands together is like looking at minimalism vs maximalism in music in a weird way. Both are very technically skilled but use it in different ways to different results.
From a Tool fan here, very fair criticisms throughout the video. I do find myself having a tool “phase” and listen to them constantly for a week and I’m good for a month without listening to them as Mike said too. The whole “Tool just ends up always sounding like Tool” is a very valid point however can be a good or bad thing, as personally I wouldn’t want their core sound to change even though I’m super happy when bands do that. The only main disagreement I have is regarding Fear Inoculum, surprisingly it was one of the only albums where I DID have songs that finish and made me go, holy fuck that was an insane song, specifically Invincible and Pneuma. The conclusions of both these songs really blew my mind, despite simplicity “technicality wise”.
I feel the same way about invincible, if it ever comes on I will change it because it's such a sacred song for me that if I listen to it as much as I would like it would become just another tool song I've listened to a thousand times, they are all really good songs, but the magic isn't there like it was when you listen to it all the time
19:10 Mike: "But there's zero fuckin' reason I need to listen to 7 uncut minutes of crickets... Ever... Fuckin' period!!!" Maynard: "This is NECESSARY!!!"
@@dodgrblu I can't speak for Jacob, but for me it's the end result. My ears love Danny Carey's drumming more than any other drummer I've ever heard. His technicality is phenomenal but that's not what I love most about his percussion. It's his creativity, intuition, timing, and just overall "feel" that I love the most. I can't put my finger on it. It's just bliss to my ears.
4:36 explained it all for me. Drummers generally find something in a Tool song to appreciate and emulate. Danny Carey blew my mind so hard that he defined the sound of drums for me - I can't imagine playing anything but Paiste at this point, and I love toms so much that 4pc rock kits just look incomplete. It sounds like a lot of guitarists (and generally melodic musicians) aren't able to connect with them in the same way. Super interesting.
@@milkwalkerjones633 nah dude. As much as love those bands. Idk about doing it better. They don’t come close to Danny. His set up is very ethnic. Like African. Or like a Indian tribe. It sounds primitive. It’s like it syncs with me internally with my native roots. And it just soothes me. Or i feel focused. Not even Neil pert or bonham do this for me. It’s literally that kit he has. It’s the primitive sound my body loves. Even if he didn’t play polys I’d still be mesmerized by it.
As huge tool fan and guitar player myself. Totally agree in you final points. They have their bag of tricks. At the end of the day its personal taste. Huge metallica fan also and i know the things that they do repeatedly. All bands do. Pneuma my favorite song, its not the technicallity, its what makes you feel. Keep kicking ass mike with your contents 🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻
Right??? Makes it’s legit so “orgasmic” 😂😂. I feel like if you don’t get that feeling with them you might not like them as much lol but that’s okay difference of opinion is cool
I've been going around the internet for a while, trying to find actual criticism of Tool's music. All I run into is blind praise and criticism based on non-musical factors like the annoying fanbase or their supposed pretentiousness that is completely made up. Some people mention its too long and boring, but never elaborate on it further. I've never found someone who wants to actually duscuss their music in a level headed, musically educated way. I'm glad you made this video, we need more of this kind of discussion.
The tabla stuff Danny does annoys me. Take my favorite Tool song Right In Two. That tabla break shit in the middle almost ruins the entire tune. I really wish they had held that off. Maynard’s voice grates on me after a bit too. I dig Tool, but they aren’t the perfection the fans try to claim.
Naaaah dude. There’s a very good reason Danny Carrey is so overhyped in the drumming community. You don’t really notice just by listening, so it’s easy to pass over, but if you watch someone break down what he’s doing in songs like Rosetta Stoned it’s truly insane his creativity and execution. At least from a drummers perspective.
@@xaphan8581 I'm no drummer. But Danny C. Is a beast. Deny or agree. Doesn't matter. All ages love the music, and drums drive it, I've seen people in their 60s and younger people with their young kids at the shows
@@xaphan8581listen to Schism. The song talks about arguments and disagreements. That's represented in the music, with different time signatures and time changes, that represent this discussion. It's all a matter of listening to the music
I don't like tool, but I do want to say that I disagree about anyone saying "should" in regards to anything musically. We have ideas of what things probably should sound like but if we solidify those ideas as truths I think we lessen our ability to be creative, and appreciate when something goes out of expected norms. This coming from someone who sees no problem with ac/dc or other bands that stick to a sound, I just think that to open our minds to being more welcoming to very different sounds or musicality we probably shouldn't say that there are HARD TRUTHS about the ways in which you craft your music, or solos, or whatever. "To me, a solo should" is a much better way of talking about things that are incredibly subjective. Just my two cents.
I actually like that none of the members of TOOL act like they're different human beings with instruments but they all write and play in a way like they're Power Rangers and the music itself is the Megazord. None of them stand out most of the time and the sound i'm getting mostly sounds like one united frequency rather than 4 different frequencies interacting with each other.
I did that when introduced to Mastadon for a week 1 night. Listening to Leviathan and Blood Mountain, felt like I was being ripped apart and put back together over and over again. Amazing!!
@@guywithalltheanswers6942 drugs should not be needed to like music. if they are needed then it probably means you wouldnt appreciate without drugs. which then begs the question: is the song really that good then?
@@BecomeTheKnight Good lord yes. Some DT fans feel every member in DT has to be better than any other musician in history or that DT is just so much better than any other band. I know some fans would war with Symphony X fans and Im just here thinking "Cant we just like both and admit both are really talented?"
Tool is what introduced me to prog and was my favorite band for about a year. After watching your channel, I got introduced to opeth and other amazing bands, but still hold sentiment to tool because that’s where my taste of good music started. Btw I still think a lot of their music kicks ass and I go back to them once and awhile.
You summed up Tool perfectly at the beginning for me. You can listen to them for a bit, and then you're done for months. That's the same for me. I might go through a stretch where I listen to them a ton over a week or two, and then at some point, I don't want to hear them again at all for a year or longer. I like Tool well enough. Undertow and Aenima are my favorite of their albums. I liked when Maynard went all in on his powerful vocals. When he started doing that less and less and non-existent on Fear Inoculum, I just didn't care anymore. Coworker of mine was going on and on about Fear Inoculum and for me, I was like, "where does the album go? None of the songs go anywhere. They sometimes get started on a path, and I think, okay, here we go. And then nothing. There's no payoff." He writes his own music, and he is more of a jam session music fan, and I think that fits Tool. They have fun experimentation for some people that are jam sessions, but just stopped doing anything for me. Lateralus has a couple songs I like, 10000 days had I think two songs I liked, maybe 3. And I didn't like anything on Fear Inoculum. I definitely don't like a lot of the same bands you like, but definitely have enjoyed your videos. Even after you ripped on my favorite band and my favorite album, Anthrax Persistence of Time. Think it was on one of your song suggestion Fridays, you didn't like Belly of the Beast. That song with Intro To Reality were what got me into liking them. And they're still my favorite band. I like the fun they have, compared to Metallica, Megadeth, and Slayer out of the big 4. Anyways, cheers, and ROCK ON!
@@chronologicalorder69 if that is on Fear Inoculum, I don't remember it at all. None of the songs did anything for me. I really did not like the album. Nothing on that album stood out to me. The other albums, there were always songs that stood out to me.
@@TheRiehlThing42 descending is on FI, one the best best arrangements I’ve ever heard from them. Give it an honest listen with some headphones, may change your mind.
Tool is nickelback with "complex" time-signatures. Harmonically speaking, Tool is pentatonic and basic minor scale, Tool is a complicated blues-band at best. Tool is boring. The only thing to worship in TOOL is Danny Carey. TOOL's albums are just nice jam sessions.
Nice of Mike to make a 30 minute video talking about how much he likes the underground avant garde jazz prog-punk band Tool. Great way to spread awareness of this underrated and overlooked group, sir.
@@hawk1093 Dude if people put Dave grohl and Lars in their top 20 lists I can put Danny in my top ten. Who is better creatively? Very few in what I’ve heard. Give me some drummers that blow him out. And I don’t mean pure chops , but arrangements and dynamics and Raw rhythm.
I hate that Tool fans take their music so seriously. They're not that deep. If I hear that Lateralus was done in the Fibonacci sequence one more time, I'm gonna go nuts
I just don't think you listened to Tool enough to realize how ascended they are. Did you know that the song "Lateralus" was made using the Fibbonaci Sequence? Well what is the the Fibbonaci Sequence? It's when you have 2 numbers, then with the sum you add that to the last number of the last equation, and so on. For example: 0+1=1 1+1=2 1+2=3 2+3=5 and so on. Once you open up your third eye, you will understand how epic it is.
With Aenima and Lateralus, the long song lengths worked in a prog rock sense. But subsequent efforts just feel like they're going through the motions rather than crafting an epic song structure.
@@BecomeTheKnight I agree whole heartedly again I adore tool but god thier songs sometimes feel like they dont end which was my issue with fear inoculum
I've been a Tool fan from many years and when I introduced Tool to my wife she became a fan too. It was just the way I introduced Tool to her that made her appreciate their music. What I loved about about Tool was the lyrics and the way the music compliments the emotion behind the lyrics. I found Tool when I was down in the dumps and my life was a mess a few years ago and what appealed to me during that time was Maynard's statement about Tool's music being simply a tool that you can use to pick yourself back up and achieve whatever it is you want to achieve in your life and that's they way I perceived their music, period. And that's the way I introduced it to my wife which is what made her love their work too. All that being said, the primary reason why I don't get offended if someone doesn't like Tool is because I understand that everyone must, should and do have their own opinion about things in life so if someone doesn't like tool I understand that the way Tool's music makes you feel is different from the way it makes me feel and that's it! If another person feeling differently about Tool induces feelings of hate in some fans of the band, then I'm sorry to say that these fans do not truly understand the essence of their music. People should understand that just cuz you listen to Tool doesn't make you superior in any way. They're forgetting something. Tool's music is a tool to help you in your life. It's a not a tool that you can use to exercise your imaginary intellectual superiority over others. Be a Tool fan but don't be smug, man.
They're music is pretentious, emotionless and highly repetitive. They are not a progressive band. Releasing the same album five times isn't progressive.
@@Heatwave9000 They're alt more than prog, and no way you can say undertow sounds like FI, or lateralus. Every album is different. Repetitive is agreeable but emotionless? So much aggression in their first albums then they got darker. Pretentious is also agreeable
One thing I’m pretty certain of is that if Tool doesn’t grab you by the guts, you will never understand the obsession. It’s cool, we don’t all have to agree. Variety is the spice of life.
I obsessed over tool in teen years but now the more meaning i hang onto tool the worse and more fragile it gets. I still sometimes listen my favorite songs from them and have fun. Thankfully tool prepared me for mars volta which does everything i like bout tool turned to eleven and then squares it for good measure.
20 years in the toolarmy and I have never or will never degrade someone for their opinions on the band I love. To each their own. And I'm sorry you had this interaction with angry fans. We aren't all like that.
Tool fans are like metallica fans. you have 50% awesome people and 50% absolutely retarded blind fanboys wich claim tool is the best thing on earth, ever
Tool is absolutely one of my favorite bands, but I can 100% see why you might not love them, particularly if you're not into the 'hypnotic' quality of their groove. Even for me, while I love Tool, I do sometimes need to balance listening to them with more traditionally song-based music. And as ever, I absolutely despise it when angry fans bombard people for expressing their opinions. Save the vitriol for white nationalists or COVID denialists. EDIT: Never has an ad for an online dispensary been more appropriate than after a lengthy discussion of Tool. I don't personally partake so I don't speak from experience, but I can't imagine much music being more suited to taking drugs than Tool.
Me personally, I fucking love the hypnotic quality of most of their music. But I can totally understand why that isn't for everyone. As a self-proclaimed Tool fanboy, I hate that their fanbase is so unbelievably toxic and it really does more harm than good to gatekeep their music so intensely.
I'm certainly someone who can get into the rhythmic and hypnotic thing. After all, Meshuggah is one of my favourite bands. But I guess that after a time, it does get a bit stale (for me). My favourite songs of theirs are still great songs but I'm just sometimes missing the punch with the rest. And that might even just be the tone. Not sure if you're into ambient/atmospheric electronic music but I had these two artists I liked, Carbon Based Lifeforms and Solar Fields. Both were cool, but CBL just ended up being a bit too slow, a bit too meandery and so one. It's like that with Tool and Meshuggah. Maybe it's just about where one finds their sweet spot. I also prefer Karnivool where I hear a lot of Tool influence but they just make it more interesting to me, personally.
@@MellonVegan A+ for Karnivool 🤘 I like songs off all their albums but Sound Awake is definitely an arguable masterpiece IMO. I can usually listen to that album from beginning to end with very little skipping.
Tool is just a bit melodramatic and repetitive. If you've ever heard 9 seconds of a Tool song, you've heard the catalog. Even their gear is disappointing. Who ever thought an 80's Silverburst would be worth more than a Squire Classic Vibe?
I could understand where you were coming from up until danny. "I can't for the life of my understand the fascination people have with this guy. I didn't hear one song that could make him one of the best drummers of all time". Sorry bro you lost me there
With Tool it just seems like the image of the band is just as important to the fans than the music. In the same way that boy bands are designed to get girls excited wit supposed "hotness" and faux romantic lyrics, Tool's image is rife with mysticism and weirdness. People who read HP Lovecraft obsessively will just devour Tool.
Yeah I winced when his main detraction against Danny was him preferring toms to cymbals. Imo heavy cymbal use on records just sounds like obnoxious wash in the high end and takes up a lot of space other instruments could use.
About "whale sounds" not adding melody or harmony "as a lead should be doing". Sorry, but there is no such rule in music. In my opinion Adam Jones has very few traditional leads and is very sound-scapey overall. I can understand this not being to everyone's liking. 7empest was a big surprise in this regard, it's got loads of pretty traditional guitar leads. You had many good points here and constructed you critique pretty well, cheers for that!
I have been a Tool fan since 1996. Most Tool fans don’t understand what Tool is all about and all of the subtleties of the meanings. Their work has to be studied for years
Sure, but at the end of the day music is meant to be heard and felt. That other stuff is cool after the fact but it has nothing to do with the listening experience.
.....I'm a Danny Carey stan..for me it's the timing he uses and the signatures that are TOOL specific. I don't know about drumming enough to say best ever, hes in my personal 3
I would have to agree with you. I am a drummer and I believe he is the best LIVING drummer we have as of today. The dude is a fantastic beautiful beast. I love me some Danny Carey.
@@BecomeTheKnight maybe people get upset with each other because most people speak of their opinions as facts. You did that in 6his video most of the time, but I assume that it’s from a personal opinion. Maybe people should realize that if someone is saying it then it’s opinion, and maybe we all can speak in less absolutes.
Who gives a fuck about Tool fans? Lateralus is a masterpiece. This band blends high concept with downright basic Neanderthal rhythms and everything in between. But your opinion of a band having Anything to do with how you feel about it’s fans is ridic...no wait there’s Phish. FUCK now I’m all conflicted. You may have a point du..no fuck that, Tool rocks!
I don't agree with most of the complaints if any, but I respect it. I feel like some other tool fans could learn from that. I love all the albums and songs and some people don't. Simple as that
As someone whose favorite band is tool, it was interesting hearing these criticisms that I would otherwise not get to hear. While I understand where you’re coming from, I think it’s funny that a lot of what you didn’t like is the stuff I love. I guess at the end of the day it all comes down to your sonic preference. Keep up the good work 👍🏻
There’s nothing worse than a fan base that drives away potential new fans or even less passionate fans. I love this band but it’s just not for everyone no matter how much I wish everyone could experience the same joy I get from listening to them
It’s something that’s very prominent in the anime community because a lot of them are purists and love to gatekeep the medium, I have fans like that because it makes you not want to have any part in the community or the medium as a whole, and that’s how I feel about tool, I love their music and I think it’s cool but their fans are very elitist and drive me away from liking them as much as I want to.
Yeah, I wish I could love Tool, but my expectations were so blown out of proportion with all I heard about Tool before I even listened to them. In my mind it was going to be something like Dream Theater in steroids, the most compositionally complex music ever. And when I heard it, it sounded way too simple to my ears that were used to prog and math music already. Some Tool fans over-sell how complex the music is, to the point it becomes obnoxious. But I can see how if I had no expectations, maybe my reaction to it would have been quite different.
@@farrex0 definitely understandable there, I don't get those fans and they're my favorite band. I just love the drumming, groovy rhythms, and the tones. Its not the sheer technicality
Personally I enjoy tool. I like their inclusions of different time signatures. All of the members seem to be very educated. It could just be bias, but most of their songs are well-performed. There are definitely songs I don't like by the band(Disgustipated), but their production and instrumentation is enjoyable on some songs (The Grudge, Pnuema, Jambi). I understand that some fans are very annoying about the band and that's what ruins the band for most people. Im not one of those people. To me, their worst album is undertow. My favorite has to be Ænima or Lateralus though. For me, 7empest is as good as Pneuma or the title track. Do you think you could do an analysis of other bands? I enjoyed this video and I would like to see more of this for other bands.
Undertow is something you have to relate to, not just like. At its deepest level, the album speaks to people who have most likely gone through some form of abuse. Despair, powerlessness, resolve to keep going. It's beautiful.
Their song structure, despite being cited as "innovative", is iterally copied by a band that pioneered that sound way before them, aka Neurosis. This is pure, 100% unadulterated post-metal. Nothing really "proggy" per se, more like avant-garde and meditative. At least that's my opinion. Imagine mellowing out Amenra, Yob or Cult Of Luna and you have Tool.
I LOVE tool but their crackhead fans are horrible. Things like " OW MY GOD DID YOU KNOW THAT LATERALUS HAS THE FIBONACCI, DID I MENTION THE FIBONACCI YET FIBONACCI FIBONACCI.” or “Yeah man tool has some REALLY complex time signatures like its crazy bro. Do you even know what a time signature is bro... no other band out there uses different time signatures.”
As weird as this sounds, Tool is probably the best band that I despise (Meaning that I will freely admit that they are extremely talented, but I legitimately hate listening to them, their bloated song lengths aren’t even the main reason I hate them, it’s the total lack of catchy hooks, yes I know that’s a personal preference but it really gets under my skin because I feel like Maynard does it on purpose because he thinks that he’s too much of an “intellectual” to write catchy music
Hey man, there is absolutely nothing wrong with not loving something like some other people do. That being said, the list of "negative" things at the end of the vid are some of my favorite parts of these songs, heh. Clearly if you dislike those parts, you dislike a ton of this stuff, and ain't nothing wrong with that.
How can you genuinely consider Tool to be great at the end if there is this much criticism of their music? The general synopsis of this concludes that they are far from great, according to the reviewer, and are rather ordinary and unimaginative. At least be consistent and follow through in accordance with the numerous beefs about the music. Otherwise it's like a bad shaggy dog story!
ive tried to separate the fans from the band but i kinda feel the same, i can still enjoy their music but the push of how great they are that hurts. I mean tool in the early days was progressive they were different, then by laterulus it became tool trying to sound like tool.
I'm the opposite, i dislike Tool but not their fans. I don't care if they're annoying because i'm not a fan of the band in the first place and don't invest time in them.
Yes!!!!!! Love Tool. Love all of their songs, but Descending is the crown jewel in their entire catalogue. So beautiful, makes me smile, makes me cry. So much emotion so much joy 👏👏👏👏👏👏🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤
Tool greatly informed my sense of rhythm as a bass player, and my ability to play in odd time signatures comfortably. Justin Chancellor's bass work has always stuck out to me as the "lead" instrument in Tool tbh. His creativity and groove is bewildering, something that I aspire to achieve myself. From a progressive guitar player's perspective though, I definitely understand why someone would not like Tool. Adam Jones is a far cry from Steve Vai or John Petrucci, even though I personally enjoy his work.
I'm a guitarist and I actually really like Adam's simplistic riffs and solos. I think it really balances out the complexity of the drums, bass, polyrhythems, polymeters, etc. with something as kind of a home base. He has some killer riffs though imo, in 10,000 days especially
I noticed a pretentiousness in the fanbase after Lateralus came out. Maybe it was already there before, but I previously just saw Tool as a cool, weird rock band that I really liked and respected but didn't listen to for long periods at a time.
Tool isn't necessarily one of my favorites but you have to admit they're pretty unique especially for their genre and their time... I mean, they took the progressive rock road in a time of alternative rock and nu metal mediocrity, and did so without being derivative of past prog... Rhythm section is amazing and provides ambience. I actually think the lack of cymbal work is part of the shtick, to get more tribal and ambient vibes that would otherwise be ruined if there was splashing all over the place... The guitarist seems underwhelming at times but that could also be personal bias from the "guitar hero" culture we're used to, once you accept the guitar as just a component of the structures you get over this fast. My one nitpick with Tool is every album has a couple or even several boring tracks in them- no exception, and there really aren't that many albums during an almost 30-year span to actually warrant them being worshipped the way they are by some people...
7 minutes of crickets is epic fucking trolling if you know the past of Tool. Lol
In the context of it being trolling I will actually approve
@@BecomeTheKnight they've admitted it was trolling. Same with the dead tracks on Fear Inoculum
@@BecomeTheKnight They troll and joke around all the time with fillers and shit. Just to piss people off lol
@@TheLarknessMonster honestly why they are so GOATed to me. They take it equal parts serious and not serious.
Especially die eire von satan lol
Yeah yeah, cool... Anyhoo... What are your thoughts on Tool, man?
Yeah, he should review some of their albums before being such a hater! He doesn't know anything!😂
@@MichaelBerthelsen true that
@@MichaelBerthelsen hes not hating, he just doesnt want to listen to them, dumbass
@@batman0416 Dude, take a JOKE! You think I didn't watch the video? It was sarcasm, calm down.😂
Bruh..
When Maynard called his fans “insufferable” I didn’t blame him 😂
At least he say’s it out loud, the singers you like bag you all behind closed doors, lol.
He's insufferable too though. So is his music.
Are you a tool fan? IF so, you just called yourself insufferable. Lol.
@@SilkandScrooge Chevelle is just Tool for pretentious people who hate Tool
@@peterdalmationcro4217 well ya it’s about his work not his opinion.
Justin Chancellor is underrated as hell
His bass playing is damn good
%1000
As is Tom Jenkinson .
FACTS. 💯
FACTS 💯
I love tool, but the fanbase is so bad. Even tool hates tool fans
Metalcore and emo fans are just as bad. I dealt with my fair share of them in the early 2000's. They all thought they knew everything about music and had it all figured out.
Yeah, you said it best.
It's probably the music. As good as it is there is something depressing about it. I've been much happier since i started listening to Babymetal. Happy metal is a good thing that i never knew i was missing. It's actually not fun to be miserable.
Not that i was a TOOL fan, but used to listen to Alice N Chains but i had to stop because i was feeling so depressed.
Even Tool fans hate Tool fans
Completely agree
"I dont get the fascination with Danny Carey." I'm sorry...what??
"Hey, future Mike here." Phew
Seriously that was the only part of the video- other than Undertow being the best album by a top tier local band haha- that got me. I was like no we don’t say anything negative about Danny Carey out here, Mike.
Danny can be a bit sloppy. My wife met him last year and thought he was pretty weird too.
Danny is certainly outclassed by other drummers in metal and jazz and whatnot, but his playing has so much character and he has inspired countless people to pick up the sticks.
@@Powermad-bu4em Sloppy is one thing Danny Carey is not
@@jaspergillgannon4991 seriously man lol sloppy is the fkn last word for DC drumming. Obviously that person is oblivious as at gets.
As a BIG tool fan I would like to apologize for other fans. And I understand all your points and I love this video. You got your points across very well and I agree with a lot of them lol.
Also I’m glad I found this video before I went looking for your top 10 tool songs. You don’t have any. Which is cool
I know I’m a year late but I just found this video. Reading the comments about Tools fans has me cracking up. I’m a huge Eminem fan and his hardcore fans are by far the biggest A holes of all fan bases. They call themselves Stans and if you criticize Em in any way they will come for you. 🤣
@@andrewstableford9781 Eminem is nazel asf, and his lyrical composition is generic and boring. I admit, hes good at immitating lyrical inteligence, but there really isnt much there.
@Starlit_Akira Bro, for real? Eminems'greatest strength is his lyrical composition. Ok, his latest albums are dogshi... But almost his whole catalogue is incredible. He CONSTISTANTLY coming up with inavative lyrical movements. In fact, hes probably in the top 5.
@@andrewstableford9781that sounds like the falling in reverse fanbase as well
If the lead singer of a band calls its fans "insufferable"... you know they're terrible. Tool is my favorite band and I can't stand the fanbase.
bUt ThEy WrOtE a sOnG ArOuNd FiBoNoCi SeQuEnCe!!!!!! I never saw the “cuntiness” Tool Stans bring first hand but the story’s are fucking hilarious
I agree with you brother! They're a favorite of mine, but God this over-the-top loyalty of a fanbase. Maynard is my favorite rock vocalist, and Danny is one of my biggest influences. I also think the Dream Theater fanbase (who I'm also a part of) is horrible, and they're almost as toxic as Swifties. Mainly because of the Mangini vs. Portnoy bullshit.
I mean not going to lie I know what youre saying however unfortunately most bands secretly dislike or hate their fans. I respect the bands that have obnoxious fanbases but still at least appreciate them more just because whenever a lead singer shit talks fans it just comes off as being a gatekeeper and overall rubs me the wrong way.
@@michaelflorczyk1394 Hence, you need some more Opeth in your life.
@@omkarbharambe8673 Yo that's what I've been up to. Been listening to Blackwater Park and Still life for about three weeks now. Opeth is not a favorite of mine but holy crap they are an incredible band. Super underrated too.
But did you know they used the filipino sequence in that one song?
Idk why I love this comment so much
actually, it's called fettuccine sequence
*Fibrosis
No, it's spaghetti sequence you dummy dum
So you hate yourself?
13 years for a new Tool album.
Me, a System of a Down fan: *This is fine*
18 years now😓
nice b0ris pfp
Serjs solo stuff is good too
Taylor Swift was always the better progressive metal band.
I feel this weird sensation where I want to heart and nuke this comment simultaneously
This reminds me of Polyphia writing a song inspired by a Taylor Swift song, saying "I hated it so much, I had to analyse it and just find out why". I think that song became O.D.
Ah, yes. Hooker With a Penis is my favorite TayTay song. Love her guitar work on there
The way she's going, and the example set by pop acts like Rina Sawayama, Poppy, and what not... you never know.
StinkSwift is a cool song by the way
In a world of constant TOOL praise, it’s interesting to hear some criticism. Favorite band of all time, but still enjoyed the video!
You're being sarcastic right?
2nd that motion
not being sarcastic tho
@@DrCongo-hs5bg It's more fun to leave that to interpretation
@@DrCongo-hs5bg “All sincerity online is automatically ironic”
I liked them when they wrote catchy really angry/heavy songs on Opiate and Undertow, once they went more hypnotic prog I started checking out.
Yeah He's right Tool is overrated *Me listens to a 5 second part of the Grudge and can't stop listening to Tool for over a week*
I absolutely love TOOL, but I can also absolutely understand why somebody wouldn’t love TOOL.
I like tool, and then i see Tool fanboys and i dislike tool. Tool is a band ruined by its fans
Same
@@F4Wildcat Don’t worry about it, if you like the music who cares what the fans think of the band. I love Iron Maiden & some of their fans are also over the top, I don’t care bro if I like it that’s all that matters.
I think MJK would agree with most of this criticism. Although I really love Adam. He is one of my favorite guitarists of all time.
me too
I love the holistic, integrated nature of Tool's music. The fact that none of the musicians go out of their way to sound different from the rest of the band is refreshing to me, ESPECIALLY considering they are defined as a prog rock/metal band, where there is so much damned instrumental wanking. I also love their tone (the moment you hear them you know it's them). I enjoy the fact that the lyrics often match the music in a meta sort of way, such as singing of communication problems while time sigs are going crazy and then screaming "I know the pieces fit!" while everything matches up again. And lastly, Danny Carey is my favorite drummer, and I am not someone who generally has a "favorite" when it comes to music. I don't have a favorite guitarist or vocalist or band or record. But Carey's drumming inspires and moves me and just overwhelms me with joy and awe more than any other drummer I've heard. The fact that he doesn't seem to impress you all that much is something my ears just can't relate to. I'd take him over someone like Portnoy any day of the week.
Tool's cultish fans are insufferable, but I can't put that on the band. As far as the 7 minutes of crickets pissing you off so much. I'm pretty sure that's the point. They are having a good time playing with their audience, similar to someone like Andy Kaufman.
Great comment... 'integrated' is the perfect description. That's the whole point of their music... if I want hooks, melody and solos I'll look elsewhere, but when I want holistic soundscapes, with groove, power and rhythm then I head to Tool! PS Not part of the Tool army but appreciate good music and Tool's best is very good.
Yeah , I think you nailed it. They have a very cohesive sound rather than some guys backing up the guitar God.
I like Portnoy but mostly for his song writing. As a drummer he's pretty cool though ("COOL? HE'S MORE THAN COOL! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE")
As some can tell, I'm generally pretty awful at judging at how musicians perform other than "Wow, that sounded good."
@@peppermillers8361 I don't know. As a drummer myself, Mike Portnoy didn't quite...how do you say this...tickle my balls, lol.
Our band's guitarist is obsessed with Dream Theater and I mean unhealthy level of obsession. So he would shove these Dream Theater songs down my throat (not just mine but our whole band members' throat) and we were forced to listen to them during breaks, all the while going on on how great they are with this crazy smile/smirk on his face. He used to particularly tell me, in a psychotic way, how Mike Portnoy is the greatest drummer to have ever lived and other stuff. But listening to Portnoy's drumming never did it for me. Portnoy is cool and has great showmanship that I haven't seen any other drummers do but that's it. A Portnoy drum part in a song always goes like this - imitate the rhythm of the guitar/keyboard on the drums and add some linear fills (90% of the time it will be RLRLKK or some variation of that) in between and there you have it. You now have a Mike Portnoy drum part
But drummers like Danny Carey, Gavin Harrison, Benny Greb, Vinnie Colaiuta always did it for. Cayse they had musicality in their drumming. Like istead of imitating what yhe guitar or bass or keyboard is doing, they come up with musical drum parts that compliment the song. Like the bridge section of Lateralus where the guitar is playing 6/8 while Danny does a groovy 5/8 drum beat, or that 3 over 4 polyrhythm section of Eulogy or how the verse sections of Reflection, Parabola, Lateralus are different musical tom patterns qnd many more
@@mariinito8398 eh, like I said, I like him more as a songwriter.
Maynard: "This is our last song of the night"
Audience: "awww..."
Maynard: "Look, we're not Green Day, it's not 3 minutes"
James LaBrie: "Hold my spoiled shrimp..."
**20 minutes later**
That's funny. Its like when someone slam dances, slips and falls on the ground. "Pick them up". Who's the fam that picks you up?
It could be 70 minutes...
Que 15 minute extended Sober intro
@@gigas801 "awwwe, let's have 'No Quarter" as the cover." Difference between a hippie and a headbanger.
In other words, the band aren’t the issue, the fans are
pretty much
Yeah because that's an objective way to judge a band. Peons
every fanbase is terrible. You just have to just used to it.
@@theknightsofawesomeness2701 Not every fanbase and definitely not to the same degree.
@@MarvinCZ it just seems to be happening more recently so I assume that it's a side effect of fanbases existing in first place
Honestly when i think about Tool i don't consider them as metal,they're not a conventional metal band so if you are a big metal fan Tool is probably not your favorite band,but if you listen to a lot of different genres you could have Tool in your top list. I am not a metal head and the heaviest bands that i like are Soad,Tool and Rammstein,and couple of older ones because they were the first bands that i listened to like Black Sabbath or Judas Priest,and for me Tool is one of the favorites,but if you are big fan of i don't know Slayer,Megadeth,Pantera etc,Tool don't fit in that group because they are more experimental and slow burner so i can understand why many metalheads don't like them..i hope someone will get my point😆😆
They're their own thing, but I thing calling them prog metal is appropriate. They are just a different type of prog metal.
Very well said.
There an alternative metal/progressive rock band.
@DrPickles Lmao. It's not "your" genre.
Absolutely agree. I do like metal but it's not my main genre and out of the "metal-ish" bands, Tool is great! That being said, I'll recommend Opeth. They have growls but they're similar to Tool.
*Why I hate The Doors:* I hate The Doors
*Why I hate Nirvana:* I don't hate Nirvana, but Kurt isn't a genius
*Why I hate Tool:* I don't hate Tool
Edit: Oh, he changed the title nevermind.
I got Rick Rolled by a profile pic.......
Well done!
Any famous musician who dies from drink or drugs is automatically a genius. In some cases, just being a junkie waster is enough to qualify as a genius.
@@stevec6427 sadly, that's kinda true
@@stevec6427 but i have to admit, Kurt wrote some great chord progressions and melodies
Wasn’t a genius*
-Title:
-First 2 seconds of video: "Title is a lie"
Intentional or not, this video sums up exactly how Tool feels about Tool's fans.
Tool is like the metal version of Enigma.
I say this as a Tool fan.
Also, the 7 minutes of crickets is a middle finger to Tool fans, basically telling them that they're insufferable idiots who WILL listen to 7 minutes of crickets and call it genius.
Tool is definitely a band that not everyone can enjoy, and I absolutely understand why some people would call them boring
For me they're a 'it's sounds cool' when it comes up on the radio but not something i would buy and listen to on my own. I prefer something like Babymetal where half their songs sound completely different from any of their other songs.
@@jager9022 I really like the first part of 7empest and some other bits but I agree. I also have a hard time sitting through it
@@jager9022 really people liked 7empest? I thought it was cringe inducing. Adams skill shines through on it sure, but the thing is if that's pretty much what's going for it, it's not well composed as a whole piece (a problem a lot of more technical groups suffer from) and Maynard's lyrics are just bad imo
@@devinhill6823 I love the song but I totally agree with you brotha. Tool songs are long because they're dry, Dream Theater songs are super short because of how much the song changes throughout.
@@michaelflorczyk1394 i wouldn't say they're dry, they just have different intentions with the music. Good comparison with Dream Theater though who also have different intentions. Looking at those two bands together is like looking at minimalism vs maximalism in music in a weird way. Both are very technically skilled but use it in different ways to different results.
“I dont hate tool”
- Understandable have a great day
The fan base is cancerous. Coming from a fan of 15 years.
"I do not hate Tool."
The video title:
Why I hate Tool
got you to click didnt it?
@@DathoxUdictus True lol
The click-baitey title makes me think he is just being critical to sound different and edgy. Or maybe he is just being honest.
That was such a silly statement.
What a great statement.
@@sharjesm I think it's just bait for the fanboys to rush in and write a hate comment essay or some shit
“Understandable have a great day “ words mike wishes he can hear but secretly he knows it’s only a dream
Complete disrespect to say Danny is only in your top 50. The man is the walking personification of technique
I have to agree.
He's the best drummer alive period..RIP Neil🖤
From a Tool fan here, very fair criticisms throughout the video. I do find myself having a tool “phase” and listen to them constantly for a week and I’m good for a month without listening to them as Mike said too. The whole “Tool just ends up always sounding like Tool” is a very valid point however can be a good or bad thing, as personally I wouldn’t want their core sound to change even though I’m super happy when bands do that. The only main disagreement I have is regarding Fear Inoculum, surprisingly it was one of the only albums where I DID have songs that finish and made me go, holy fuck that was an insane song, specifically Invincible and Pneuma. The conclusions of both these songs really blew my mind, despite simplicity “technicality wise”.
I feel the same way about invincible, if it ever comes on I will change it because it's such a sacred song for me that if I listen to it as much as I would like it would become just another tool song I've listened to a thousand times, they are all really good songs, but the magic isn't there like it was when you listen to it all the time
19:10 Mike: "But there's zero fuckin' reason I need to listen to 7 uncut minutes of crickets... Ever... Fuckin' period!!!"
Maynard: "This is NECESSARY!!!"
Who are those characters in ur pfp pic
@@minceraftfornite4334 Takayama Haruka and Sonoda Yuu from Sakura Trick
@@YuriLifeLove thanks g
Lmao 🤣
It’s not possible … NO it’s necessary!
Being a drummer, the way that they play with rhythmic concepts in the songs has always been captivating to me.
is it just the idea of it that tou pike, or the actual end result listening experience?
@@dodgrblu I can't speak for Jacob, but for me it's the end result. My ears love Danny Carey's drumming more than any other drummer I've ever heard. His technicality is phenomenal but that's not what I love most about his percussion. It's his creativity, intuition, timing, and just overall "feel" that I love the most. I can't put my finger on it. It's just bliss to my ears.
Listen to Venetian Snares or Meshuggah then. They both do it better in vastly different settings. Having said that I own every record of all three.
4:36 explained it all for me. Drummers generally find something in a Tool song to appreciate and emulate. Danny Carey blew my mind so hard that he defined the sound of drums for me - I can't imagine playing anything but Paiste at this point, and I love toms so much that 4pc rock kits just look incomplete. It sounds like a lot of guitarists (and generally melodic musicians) aren't able to connect with them in the same way. Super interesting.
@@milkwalkerjones633 nah dude. As much as love those bands. Idk about doing it better. They don’t come close to Danny. His set up is very ethnic. Like African. Or like a Indian tribe. It sounds primitive. It’s like it syncs with me internally with my native roots. And it just soothes me. Or i feel focused. Not even Neil pert or bonham do this for me. It’s literally that kit he has. It’s the primitive sound my body loves. Even if he didn’t play polys I’d still be mesmerized by it.
As huge tool fan and guitar player myself. Totally agree in you final points. They have their bag of tricks. At the end of the day its personal taste. Huge metallica fan also and i know the things that they do repeatedly. All bands do. Pneuma my favorite song, its not the technicallity, its what makes you feel.
Keep kicking ass mike with your contents 🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻
Right??? Makes it’s legit so “orgasmic” 😂😂. I feel like if you don’t get that feeling with them you might not like them as much lol but that’s okay difference of opinion is cool
Mike’s 5 points are the exact reasons I love tool.
I’m a simple man I like Metallica, gojira, tool, some Black Sabbath, and king crimson
I've been going around the internet for a while, trying to find actual criticism of Tool's music. All I run into is blind praise and criticism based on non-musical factors like the annoying fanbase or their supposed pretentiousness that is completely made up. Some people mention its too long and boring, but never elaborate on it further.
I've never found someone who wants to actually duscuss their music in a level headed, musically educated way. I'm glad you made this video, we need more of this kind of discussion.
The tabla stuff Danny does annoys me. Take my favorite Tool song Right In Two. That tabla break shit in the middle almost ruins the entire tune. I really wish they had held that off. Maynard’s voice grates on me after a bit too. I dig Tool, but they aren’t the perfection the fans try to claim.
Džaba ti teretana kad neko izvadi noz
Arsenije je u chat damnnnn
@@Powermad-bu4em listen to that song or the whole album on acid and the tablas make perfect sense
@@joebloggs4925
No thanks. I’ve been clean for 16 years. Good tunes don’t need chemical assistance.
I love Tool, but the fandom is toxic and pretentious as fuck.
But... but... Maynard James Keenan is wine golden ratio commando!!!
but the fibrosis sequence!!!!
@@Natalie-cd4mf lmao
@@Natalie-cd4mf the Felicia Hardy sequence makes me feel big brain very zen much transcendent.
@@yy-hj4br big fan of the fracking sequel that they threw in there too !!!! 👍
@@Natalie-cd4mf i don't think you fully understood the Felicity Huffman circumcision. You need more psychedelics
“Ohh an opinion different from mine... I hate this.”
Naaaah dude. There’s a very good reason Danny Carrey is so overhyped in the drumming community. You don’t really notice just by listening, so it’s easy to pass over, but if you watch someone break down what he’s doing in songs like Rosetta Stoned it’s truly insane his creativity and execution. At least from a drummers perspective.
Bro if your actually a drummer you would have said at least one thing that makes him stand out. You literally just said a bunch of nothing
@@xaphan8581 I'm no drummer. But Danny C. Is a beast. Deny or agree. Doesn't matter. All ages love the music, and drums drive it, I've seen people in their 60s and younger people with their young kids at the shows
@@xaphan8581listen to Schism. The song talks about arguments and disagreements. That's represented in the music, with different time signatures and time changes, that represent this discussion.
It's all a matter of listening to the music
Who the fuck listens to a band for the drums?
I don't like tool, but I do want to say that I disagree about anyone saying "should" in regards to anything musically.
We have ideas of what things probably should sound like but if we solidify those ideas as truths I think we lessen our ability to be creative, and appreciate when something goes out of expected norms. This coming from someone who sees no problem with ac/dc or other bands that stick to a sound, I just think that to open our minds to being more welcoming to very different sounds or musicality we probably shouldn't say that there are HARD TRUTHS about the ways in which you craft your music, or solos, or whatever.
"To me, a solo should" is a much better way of talking about things that are incredibly subjective.
Just my two cents.
Thank you for saying this, that's what I was thinking as well.
I actually like that none of the members of TOOL act like they're different human beings with instruments but they all write and play in a way like they're Power Rangers and the music itself is the Megazord. None of them stand out most of the time and the sound i'm getting mostly sounds like one united frequency rather than 4 different frequencies interacting with each other.
I reckon that is why you are famous , and Tool are not
what has fame to do with anything? it doenst make his opinion any less valid.
Ugh you didn't listen to Lateralus while on 16 tabs of acid, you didn't do it correctly sm head
Accurate!
Try that with old Butthole Surfers.😈
Yep. I think this is the real issue. Drugs really make it better.
I did that when introduced to Mastadon for a week 1 night. Listening to Leviathan and Blood Mountain, felt like I was being ripped apart and put back together over and over again. Amazing!!
@@guywithalltheanswers6942 drugs should not be needed to like music. if they are needed then it probably means you wouldnt appreciate without drugs. which then begs the question: is the song really that good then?
“It’s almost like you drive people away by being an asshole” It’s sad how many Fanbases this single sentence can be used to describe
Literally the Radiohead and Dream Theater fanbase
As a Dream Theater fan, yes absolutely there's dipshits in our fan base. And a lot of cringe.
Back Country Pastimes My worst experiences were with indie rock(!) fans in my school. God, I hate them
To a smaller extent I would also say Rush. I wouldn't call us assholes, but we are obsessive as fuck.
@@BecomeTheKnight Good lord yes. Some DT fans feel every member in DT has to be better than any other musician in history or that DT is just so much better than any other band. I know some fans would war with Symphony X fans and Im just here thinking "Cant we just like both and admit both are really talented?"
My son listening Tool and watch Rock and Mortys OMG he will be 140 IQ sciencetits when he grow up amrite fellow 90's kids?
"He had a lot to say, he had a lot of nothing to say."
One of their best songs on probably their best album. Hell what am I saying...that whole album rocked
I think I love you Mario
Hahah
Tool is what introduced me to prog and was my favorite band for about a year. After watching your channel, I got introduced to opeth and other amazing bands, but still hold sentiment to tool because that’s where my taste of good music started. Btw I still think a lot of their music kicks ass and I go back to them once and awhile.
Same
I could never really pinpoint why I'm not crazy about Tool, but you've pretty much summed it up for me. Thanks Mike
Tool elitists who're gona comment without even watching in 3...2...1...
BTW tool is my favorite band of all time
You summed up Tool perfectly at the beginning for me. You can listen to them for a bit, and then you're done for months. That's the same for me. I might go through a stretch where I listen to them a ton over a week or two, and then at some point, I don't want to hear them again at all for a year or longer. I like Tool well enough. Undertow and Aenima are my favorite of their albums. I liked when Maynard went all in on his powerful vocals. When he started doing that less and less and non-existent on Fear Inoculum, I just didn't care anymore. Coworker of mine was going on and on about Fear Inoculum and for me, I was like, "where does the album go? None of the songs go anywhere. They sometimes get started on a path, and I think, okay, here we go. And then nothing. There's no payoff." He writes his own music, and he is more of a jam session music fan, and I think that fits Tool. They have fun experimentation for some people that are jam sessions, but just stopped doing anything for me. Lateralus has a couple songs I like, 10000 days had I think two songs I liked, maybe 3. And I didn't like anything on Fear Inoculum.
I definitely don't like a lot of the same bands you like, but definitely have enjoyed your videos. Even after you ripped on my favorite band and my favorite album, Anthrax Persistence of Time. Think it was on one of your song suggestion Fridays, you didn't like Belly of the Beast. That song with Intro To Reality were what got me into liking them. And they're still my favorite band. I like the fun they have, compared to Metallica, Megadeth, and Slayer out of the big 4. Anyways, cheers, and ROCK ON!
I listen to tool every single day and it still doesn't get old.
@@mightyquinn38 good for you, enjoy them. I'll pass.
Did you even listen to Descending? If that song absolutely nothing for you, you’re not even human
@@chronologicalorder69 if that is on Fear Inoculum, I don't remember it at all. None of the songs did anything for me. I really did not like the album. Nothing on that album stood out to me. The other albums, there were always songs that stood out to me.
@@TheRiehlThing42 descending is on FI, one the best best arrangements I’ve ever heard from them. Give it an honest listen with some headphones, may change your mind.
Tool is nickelback with "complex" time-signatures. Harmonically speaking, Tool is pentatonic and basic minor scale, Tool is a complicated blues-band at best. Tool is boring. The only thing to worship in TOOL is Danny Carey.
TOOL's albums are just nice jam sessions.
Nice of Mike to make a 30 minute video talking about how much he likes the underground avant garde jazz prog-punk band Tool. Great way to spread awareness of this underrated and overlooked group, sir.
Bro as a drummer first I’d say Danny Carey is minimum top 10. Idk what you are talking about. He carries that band.
Bullshit he doesn’t carry the band😂 what the fuck has you thinking that
@@theepie25 nah bro he literally holds up the band. Like ya know, the drummers job. He is their glue.
@@MarthMain You must not know the names of many drummers, if you think Danny Carey is on any top 10 drumming list.
@@hawk1093 Dude if people put Dave grohl and Lars in their top 20 lists I can put Danny in my top ten. Who is better creatively? Very few in what I’ve heard. Give me some drummers that blow him out. And I don’t mean pure chops , but arrangements and dynamics and Raw rhythm.
@@MarthMain It’s been 2 weeks
To be fair, even TOOL fans hate TOOL fans
I hate that Tool fans take their music so seriously. They're not that deep. If I hear that Lateralus was done in the Fibonacci sequence one more time, I'm gonna go nuts
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@@impossivel2006 Don't you dare
Even the band admits it wasn’t their intension
@The VFX Man
Even Maynard himself described Lateralus as one of his most clumsily written songs.
I just don't think you listened to Tool enough to realize how ascended they are. Did you know that the song "Lateralus" was made using the Fibbonaci Sequence? Well what is the the Fibbonaci Sequence? It's when you have 2 numbers, then with the sum you add that to the last number of the last equation, and so on. For example: 0+1=1 1+1=2 1+2=3 2+3=5 and so on. Once you open up your third eye, you will understand how epic it is.
A lot of tool songs to me feel like they're long just for the sake of being long
I agree!!! And no shade towards them or their fans, but it kinda seems long-winded sometimes
With Aenima and Lateralus, the long song lengths worked in a prog rock sense. But subsequent efforts just feel like they're going through the motions rather than crafting an epic song structure.
Dream Theater:
@@putridabomination hehehe.
@@BecomeTheKnight I agree whole heartedly again I adore tool but god thier songs sometimes feel like they dont end which was my issue with fear inoculum
I've been a Tool fan from many years and when I introduced Tool to my wife she became a fan too. It was just the way I introduced Tool to her that made her appreciate their music. What I loved about about Tool was the lyrics and the way the music compliments the emotion behind the lyrics. I found Tool when I was down in the dumps and my life was a mess a few years ago and what appealed to me during that time was Maynard's statement about Tool's music being simply a tool that you can use to pick yourself back up and achieve whatever it is you want to achieve in your life and that's they way I perceived their music, period. And that's the way I introduced it to my wife which is what made her love their work too.
All that being said, the primary reason why I don't get offended if someone doesn't like Tool is because I understand that everyone must, should and do have their own opinion about things in life so if someone doesn't like tool I understand that the way Tool's music makes you feel is different from the way it makes me feel and that's it! If another person feeling differently about Tool induces feelings of hate in some fans of the band, then I'm sorry to say that these fans do not truly understand the essence of their music.
People should understand that just cuz you listen to Tool doesn't make you superior in any way. They're forgetting something. Tool's music is a tool to help you in your life. It's a not a tool that you can use to exercise your imaginary intellectual superiority over others.
Be a Tool fan but don't be smug, man.
They're music is pretentious, emotionless and highly repetitive. They are not a progressive band. Releasing the same album five times isn't progressive.
@@Heatwave9000 They're alt more than prog, and no way you can say undertow sounds like FI, or lateralus. Every album is different. Repetitive is agreeable but emotionless? So much aggression in their first albums then they got darker. Pretentious is also agreeable
@@Heatwave9000they aren't exactly progressive. Anyone who listen to a lot of music can tell. They are alternative metal
Danny Carey is amazing, I'm not even a drummer whatsoever but I can tell he's one of the better ones out there.
I didn't see anyone commenting on "break my strings"
So...
I like it. Doesn't sound weird.
One thing I’m pretty certain of is that if Tool doesn’t grab you by the guts, you will never understand the obsession. It’s cool, we don’t all have to agree. Variety is the spice of life.
I obsessed over tool in teen years but now the more meaning i hang onto tool the worse and more fragile it gets. I still sometimes listen my favorite songs from them and have fun.
Thankfully tool prepared me for mars volta which does everything i like bout tool turned to eleven and then squares it for good measure.
20 years in the toolarmy and I have never or will never degrade someone for their opinions on the band I love. To each their own. And I'm sorry you had this interaction with angry fans. We aren't all like that.
Tool fans are like metallica fans. you have 50% awesome people and 50% absolutely retarded blind fanboys wich claim tool is the best thing on earth, ever
@@F4Wildcat Wait Metallica still has obsessed fanboys? I thought those all gave up the ghost after Load.
Tool is absolutely one of my favorite bands, but I can 100% see why you might not love them, particularly if you're not into the 'hypnotic' quality of their groove. Even for me, while I love Tool, I do sometimes need to balance listening to them with more traditionally song-based music. And as ever, I absolutely despise it when angry fans bombard people for expressing their opinions. Save the vitriol for white nationalists or COVID denialists.
EDIT: Never has an ad for an online dispensary been more appropriate than after a lengthy discussion of Tool. I don't personally partake so I don't speak from experience, but I can't imagine much music being more suited to taking drugs than Tool.
Me personally, I fucking love the hypnotic quality of most of their music. But I can totally understand why that isn't for everyone. As a self-proclaimed Tool fanboy, I hate that their fanbase is so unbelievably toxic and it really does more harm than good to gatekeep their music so intensely.
I'm certainly someone who can get into the rhythmic and hypnotic thing. After all, Meshuggah is one of my favourite bands. But I guess that after a time, it does get a bit stale (for me). My favourite songs of theirs are still great songs but I'm just sometimes missing the punch with the rest. And that might even just be the tone.
Not sure if you're into ambient/atmospheric electronic music but I had these two artists I liked, Carbon Based Lifeforms and Solar Fields. Both were cool, but CBL just ended up being a bit too slow, a bit too meandery and so one. It's like that with Tool and Meshuggah. Maybe it's just about where one finds their sweet spot. I also prefer Karnivool where I hear a lot of Tool influence but they just make it more interesting to me, personally.
@@MellonVegan cool man! I haven't heard of a couple of those. I'll have to take a listen to them.
@@MellonVegan A+ for Karnivool 🤘 I like songs off all their albums but Sound Awake is definitely an arguable masterpiece IMO. I can usually listen to that album from beginning to end with very little skipping.
Oh you gotta check out Imogen Heap's Sparks album, whoo boy that's a great drug album. Also Obscured By Clouds by Pink Floyd...
Tool is just a bit melodramatic and repetitive. If you've ever heard 9 seconds of a Tool song, you've heard the catalog. Even their gear is disappointing. Who ever thought an 80's Silverburst would be worth more than a Squire Classic Vibe?
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I could understand where you were coming from up until danny. "I can't for the life of my understand the fascination people have with this guy. I didn't hear one song that could make him one of the best drummers of all time". Sorry bro you lost me there
With Tool it just seems like the image of the band is just as important to the fans than the music. In the same way that boy bands are designed to get girls excited wit supposed "hotness" and faux romantic lyrics, Tool's image is rife with mysticism and weirdness. People who read HP Lovecraft obsessively will just devour Tool.
Can't disagree more... but you don't give a shit and this is why this is my only dislike on your videos to this date! Cheers from germany! ^^
Don’t want to be that guy, but you are don’t know anything about music))😅
Everything you "hate" about them is every reason I love them.
Yeah I winced when his main detraction against Danny was him preferring toms to cymbals. Imo heavy cymbal use on records just sounds like obnoxious wash in the high end and takes up a lot of space other instruments could use.
About "whale sounds" not adding melody or harmony "as a lead should be doing". Sorry, but there is no such rule in music. In my opinion Adam Jones has very few traditional leads and is very sound-scapey overall. I can understand this not being to everyone's liking. 7empest was a big surprise in this regard, it's got loads of pretty traditional guitar leads. You had many good points here and constructed you critique pretty well, cheers for that!
That line threw me off too. For someone who is into prog, it was odd for him to say.
The end of third eye tells me all I need to know
I just wasted 32:36 mins of my life...this guy should join Corey Taylor so everybody could ask them what they think.
I have been a Tool fan since 1996. Most Tool fans don’t understand what Tool is all about and all of the subtleties of the meanings. Their work has to be studied for years
Sure, but at the end of the day music is meant to be heard and felt. That other stuff is cool after the fact but it has nothing to do with the listening experience.
I’m sure this video will only receive positive feedback
lmao Conor
Yeah, TOOL fans are so lovely and humble
LMAO
@Cyberdemon Mike best tool ever, Kmac even did a review on it, have you seen it?
.....I'm a Danny Carey stan..for me it's the timing he uses and the signatures that are TOOL specific. I don't know about drumming enough to say best ever, hes in my personal 3
Dude has some fantastic taste
I would have to agree with you.
I am a drummer and I believe he is the best LIVING drummer we have as of today.
The dude is a fantastic beautiful beast. I love me some Danny Carey.
@@jonny555ive
Alex Rudinger is better in every way. Listen to Conquering Dystopia for confirmation.
@@BecomeTheKnight maybe people get upset with each other because most people speak of their opinions as facts. You did that in 6his video most of the time, but I assume that it’s from a personal opinion. Maybe people should realize that if someone is saying it then it’s opinion, and maybe we all can speak in less absolutes.
Who gives a fuck about Tool fans? Lateralus is a masterpiece. This band blends high concept with downright basic Neanderthal rhythms and everything in between. But your opinion of a band having Anything to do with how you feel about it’s fans is ridic...no wait there’s Phish. FUCK now I’m all conflicted. You may have a point du..no fuck that, Tool rocks!
But do u like Queens of the stone age ?? Josh homme is awesome
I don’t understand why people love them so much. From what I heard their music was boring to me. To repetitive and unimaginative in my opinion.
@@zensei999 maybe their later albums but I don't mind those either. I just think they're one of the best rock bands that really stood out in the 2000s
@SiLLy SiiLiiNdur that's pretty good description, love them a lot lol
Damn, Mike looks like a cute anime girl who got beard in this video
What the....?
Yes, yes he does.
U need to go take your medication.....really fast
Wtf lol
A bar band fill in musician or an Amazon delivery guy.😀
Uh oh! You said Lord John Maynard Keenes isn't the G0D OF SINGING! Better get ready for the Tool fanbois' rage!
Also, seven-empest!
I don't agree with most of the complaints if any, but I respect it. I feel like some other tool fans could learn from that. I love all the albums and songs and some people don't. Simple as that
As someone whose favorite band is tool, it was interesting hearing these criticisms that I would otherwise not get to hear. While I understand where you’re coming from, I think it’s funny that a lot of what you didn’t like is the stuff I love. I guess at the end of the day it all comes down to your sonic preference. Keep up the good work 👍🏻
There’s nothing worse than a fan base that drives away potential new fans or even less passionate fans. I love this band but it’s just not for everyone no matter how much I wish everyone could experience the same joy I get from listening to them
It’s something that’s very prominent in the anime community because a lot of them are purists and love to gatekeep the medium, I have fans like that because it makes you not want to have any part in the community or the medium as a whole, and that’s how I feel about tool, I love their music and I think it’s cool but their fans are very elitist and drive me away from liking them as much as I want to.
Yeah, I wish I could love Tool, but my expectations were so blown out of proportion with all I heard about Tool before I even listened to them. In my mind it was going to be something like Dream Theater in steroids, the most compositionally complex music ever. And when I heard it, it sounded way too simple to my ears that were used to prog and math music already. Some Tool fans over-sell how complex the music is, to the point it becomes obnoxious. But I can see how if I had no expectations, maybe my reaction to it would have been quite different.
@@farrex0 definitely understandable there, I don't get those fans and they're my favorite band. I just love the drumming, groovy rhythms, and the tones. Its not the sheer technicality
I'll let you in a little secret: i never listened to a tool song. Not even a single snippet lol. Lived well so far. So yeah.
Listen to Die Eier Von Satan.
That's all you need to know. Tool at their peak imo.
I wish I’d never heard tool. They’re stuff is long just for the sake of being long.
Personally I enjoy tool. I like their inclusions of different time signatures. All of the members seem to be very educated. It could just be bias, but most of their songs are well-performed. There are definitely songs I don't like by the band(Disgustipated), but their production and instrumentation is enjoyable on some songs (The Grudge, Pnuema, Jambi). I understand that some fans are very annoying about the band and that's what ruins the band for most people. Im not one of those people. To me, their worst album is undertow. My favorite has to be Ænima or Lateralus though. For me, 7empest is as good as Pneuma or the title track. Do you think you could do an analysis of other bands? I enjoyed this video and I would like to see more of this for other bands.
Undertow is something you have to relate to, not just like. At its deepest level, the album speaks to people who have most likely gone through some form of abuse. Despair, powerlessness, resolve to keep going. It's beautiful.
Their song structure, despite being cited as "innovative", is iterally copied by a band that pioneered that sound way before them, aka Neurosis. This is pure, 100% unadulterated post-metal. Nothing really "proggy" per se, more like avant-garde and meditative. At least that's my opinion. Imagine mellowing out Amenra, Yob or Cult Of Luna and you have Tool.
If you dont like TOOL, you ain't COOL
Incoming angry Tool fans.
Ill be the first to admit I was for a good second, came to see the justification, only to get told he doesnt hate em, understandable
I appreciate what Tool does, but everytime I hear them I just feel its so repetitive. I end up feeling like I want to change it after like 2 songs.
They’re not bad, but holy Lord their fans...
I LOVE tool but their crackhead fans are horrible. Things like " OW MY GOD DID YOU KNOW THAT LATERALUS HAS THE FIBONACCI, DID I MENTION THE FIBONACCI YET FIBONACCI FIBONACCI.” or “Yeah man tool has some REALLY complex time signatures like its crazy bro. Do you even know what a time signature is bro... no other band out there uses different time signatures.”
As weird as this sounds, Tool is probably the best band that I despise (Meaning that I will freely admit that they are extremely talented, but I legitimately hate listening to them, their bloated song lengths aren’t even the main reason I hate them, it’s the total lack of catchy hooks, yes I know that’s a personal preference but it really gets under my skin because I feel like Maynard does it on purpose because he thinks that he’s too much of an “intellectual” to write catchy music
You took these words out of my mouth, I completely agree
That's Zappa for me. He's so talented it's infuriating. Just because you can
Hey man, there is absolutely nothing wrong with not loving something like some other people do. That being said, the list of "negative" things at the end of the vid are some of my favorite parts of these songs, heh. Clearly if you dislike those parts, you dislike a ton of this stuff, and ain't nothing wrong with that.
Tool is my girlfriend’s favorite band, so I’m playing this video as loud as I can right next to her
King
How can you genuinely consider Tool to be great at the end if there is this much criticism of their music? The general synopsis of this concludes that they are far from great, according to the reviewer, and are rather ordinary and unimaginative. At least be consistent and follow through in accordance with the numerous beefs about the music. Otherwise it's like a bad shaggy dog story!
agreed
ive tried to separate the fans from the band but i kinda feel the same, i can still enjoy their music but the push of how great they are that hurts. I mean tool in the early days was progressive they were different, then by laterulus it became tool trying to sound like tool.
As a metal guy I'd rather listen to Taylor Swift than Tool all day. And I'm writing this just to piss you Tool fans (I really I think what I said tho)
The fact that people refer to Tool as a “metal band” pisses more off.
@Don Beck Agreed! It's mostly Tool fans that label them as 'Metal'.
I'm the opposite, i dislike Tool but not their fans. I don't care if they're annoying because i'm not a fan of the band in the first place and don't invest time in them.
how many times can you say meandering in one fuckin video? lol
Descending is one of Tool's greatest song.
Yes!!!!!! Love Tool. Love all of their songs, but Descending is the crown jewel in their entire catalogue. So beautiful, makes me smile, makes me cry. So much emotion so much joy 👏👏👏👏👏👏🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤
@@Whatever3232323 Yup 😊
Tool greatly informed my sense of rhythm as a bass player, and my ability to play in odd time signatures comfortably.
Justin Chancellor's bass work has always stuck out to me as the "lead" instrument in Tool tbh. His creativity and groove is bewildering, something that I aspire to achieve myself.
From a progressive guitar player's perspective though, I definitely understand why someone would not like Tool. Adam Jones is a far cry from Steve Vai or John Petrucci, even though I personally enjoy his work.
I'm a guitarist and I actually really like Adam's simplistic riffs and solos. I think it really balances out the complexity of the drums, bass, polyrhythems, polymeters, etc. with something as kind of a home base. He has some killer riffs though imo, in 10,000 days especially
I noticed a pretentiousness in the fanbase after Lateralus came out. Maybe it was already there before, but I previously just saw Tool as a cool, weird rock band that I really liked and respected but didn't listen to for long periods at a time.
The photo of Maynard in the blue jacket kinda makes him look like Riff Raff from Rocky Horror trying to discover fashion. I’m entertained by that. 😂
"No, I do not hate Tool", title of the video: Why I hate Tool
Tool is a good band, not my kinda thing and yes, Tool fanboys are some of the most obnoxious people in the music world
Tool isn't necessarily one of my favorites but you have to admit they're pretty unique especially for their genre and their time... I mean, they took the progressive rock road in a time of alternative rock and nu metal mediocrity, and did so without being derivative of past prog... Rhythm section is amazing and provides ambience. I actually think the lack of cymbal work is part of the shtick, to get more tribal and ambient vibes that would otherwise be ruined if there was splashing all over the place... The guitarist seems underwhelming at times but that could also be personal bias from the "guitar hero" culture we're used to, once you accept the guitar as just a component of the structures you get over this fast. My one nitpick with Tool is every album has a couple or even several boring tracks in them- no exception, and there really aren't that many albums during an almost 30-year span to actually warrant them being worshipped the way they are by some people...
One of the only live shows I was ever bored at. There was a bass noodling part that was pointless and went on for an excruciatingly long time.