Hope you like the video be sure to subscribe..👍🏼💥 What do you think? Does this change anything on if you were to buy one? Does the fuel efficiency matter to you, as over time that can as to alot of savings? Thoughts….In this video we finally find out is the yamaha really more fuel efficient across the board, or not really at all. The hondas bigger engine idles lower but does it consume more fuel? Let me know what ya think about the test. Is there something else you wanted to see? #honda #yamaha #invertergenerator #Hondaeu2200i Honda eu2200i sale price: amzn.to/3wxpCxb Yamaha 2200:amzn.to/42YgEFf Other good units Pulsar 4000 dual fuel:amzn.to/3IjnTOF Champion 2500 Dual fuel:amzn.to/3Ik5Ho7 Maxpeeding rods 4000:amzn.to/3UYApuA
He means the air cooled motor can easily overheat without it's covers on. The covers keep the air moving in one direction from front to back. First the inverter gets cooled and then the motor.
An interesting comparison. I've been a Honda rider since '76 but opted for a Yamaha genny solely because the Honda dealer insisted on charging me the setup fee whereas the Yamaha dealer didn't charge for setup. No regrets, love both brands as they are both equal quality in my eyes. Thanks for the comparison. 👍
Wow I was surprised the Yamaha was more fuel efficient I thought the Honda would win that test. I have a Honda EU2200i and it’s a great little genny. Thanks for making this video.
I love that you show the rpms on these units. You can learn alot about your own machines watching your videos. I don't care which is better honestly lol. You couldn't go wrong either way. I was just always curious about the engine speed. I have two of the red ones but I'd take the blue as well lol. I tried to look up the rpm stats and you can only find max load ratings. Great job and thank you👍
GREAT TEST! Thank you. Like another guy commented, knowing the exact amount of fuel used for each test would have been even better. Not complaining, its was a great very time consuming test with great info. Based off your reply to another commenters question on fuel consumption of "about 100cc per test" the math comes out close to what Honda specs in their description. Based on estimated 100cc of fuel per test the Honda would have got 3.6 hours of run time per full gallon at rated load. Their literature states 3.2hr @ rated load 8.1 hrs @ 1/4 load (based off .95 gallon). That equals 3.42 hours of run time per .95 gallon at the load you tested at on the HONDA. Great stuff! Someone else can ask dew point and humidity during test to figure out any evaporation. LOL J/K. 😏
I've always leaned Yamaha since dirt bikes, street bikes, sound bar and a pressure washer, but opted for a Honda string trimmer a few years ago. I love it and the sound. So I went with a double Honda with extended tank set up. The size difference is big too. Can't really go wrong regardless. I'll forever be a tuning fork fan. 😉
I hear ya I owned Yamaha Honda Suzuki and then a ktm dual sport. I think my couple Yamaha were the bikes I had the most fun on. The dual sport was good to just heavier obviously.
@@johnnysweekends and I've had the EU2200i shortly after it became available. I do like the larger piston & steel sleeve inside the piston bore + the accessibility of parts & service almost everywhere in Amerika if needed. No. I've NOT had any issues with mine. I've modified mine with a 3-way fuel valve that now allows me to use an external fuel tank instead of the generator's small .9 gallon gas tank. YES, I drain the carb's float bowl & purge all gas from the lines AFTER every use. And I've switched to an NGK spark plug + I use Amsoil 5W-30 100% man-made synthetic oil in the crankcase.+ I've added an hour meter which I've felt is something Honda should have included in it's design.
Nice sounds like your gen is set… and yes a hour meter beside the built in light should have been added but again I have said this a lot, there is no reason this model shouldn’t be a 2500.
You should get an oscilloscope and view the waveform output and see which unit produces cleaner power, idle and when under load. I would like to see those compared. Basically I'm under the impression that you really can't go wrong with either of these units. Both made by top shelf manufacturers, both designed to work well and last a long time and the differences being extremely minor.
I've got two EU2200's and I just bought an EF2200. I've got to tell you, I'm impressed with this thing. Yes, it's bigger and bulkier than the Honda, and it's a bit noisier, but it's a little animal. After running it for a bit, I hooked it up to my transfer switch to see how it would handle my gas furnace with a 1/2 hp blower motor. It handled the start-up on eco mode without bogging down; I was very surprised. The larger tank, fuel gauge and carb drain valve are nice touches also. Question: I inserted my Honda parallel cords into the Yamaha's receptacles, and they fit perfectly. Do you think I can safely use them, rather than buying Yamaha's parallel kit? Thank you.
I don’t remember the volume and I didn’t write it down. From the container and fuel tube to the carb never changed. The only thing that did was the carb it self which each float bowls volume was slightly different. But it would be less than one once. More like a 5cc or less difference
Thank you! Based off your math, an inverter generator really could run 7 hours on single gallon at low loads (around 400-500 watts) That’s really good to hear because a 5000 BTU AC uses around 500 watts
Great video and comparison test. Do you know the size of the small fuel “tank” you used? I run the Yamaha and would like to extrapolate these run times to the actual tank size. Thanks!!
I think it was 100cc plus what was in the hose. Only thing that really differs is the amount of fuel the float bowl could hold. Both looked very close. I should have measured those
I noticed the Honda's Idle was running on the rough side the generator was actually moving. The Yamaha was rock steady. Why was the Honda running so rough any idea?
Sometimes at certain rpm’s the Honda will just vibrate a little more, kinda like the harmonic balance gets way off in certain rpm ranges. It’s not anything to worry about but yes the Yamaha runs smooth.
I think the Honda would be a more fair comparison as the Yamaha will win over both, but the max/Genmax has a 145cc engine over the Honda 121. But carb and jetting make a difference but I would assume the Honda would win…never know till ya test.
You should have stopped the timer once fuel crossed a mark placed somewhere on the fuel line. This way you remove uncertainty of different carb volume between the generators skewing the run time. You also could have measured exact fuel used per load level and produced kWh/gal fuel efficiency results.
Yea sometimes you think about what you could have done after the fact. Although I think both carbs had relatively the same size float bowls, and this did provide some good info. But the difference in size, I couldn’t see it being more then about a cc of fluid plus or minus which would vary in seconds of run time I would assume.
I'm assuming the power on the Yamaha is lower because it didn't output as many volts? With lower power output that might cancel out it's fuel efficiency gains.
I don’t think it will mess with fuel efficiency too much as power out for that unit is what it is. But maybe if doing a charge on a battery bank at say 1500 watts consistent will the Honda fill it quicker and shut off some saving fuel..??? 🤔
I'm literally so torn between these two. I will 95% of the time be using this for tailgating at college football games. Will have a TV running for probably 6-8 hours with MAYBE a Crockpot running for 1-3 hours here and there, as our grill is propane. I want the long-term efficiency and trustworthiness that I assume comes with a Honda, but the fuel gauge that would give me a lot peace of mind with the Yamaha since I know I would be checking the Honda's fuel level constantly without one. Any suggestions?
For reference, I would be running this generator at the front of my Tundra while tailgating at the back of it, in reference to sound . Appreciate any input you might have!
You could always get the Honda and add a extended fuel kit… which is a option but if you are running low watts most times the Yamaha over all is more fuel efficient… And the Yamaha mz 80 motor is pretty darn bullet proof. Also a little cheaper. I know tough choices. The Honda is a pinch lighter and more compact if that helps. I do like that RV plug on the Yamaha though and it even has a little night light that stays on
@@johnnysweekends Do you think these two generators are on equal playing fields and are just tit for tat, or do you think one is genuinely superior overall?
@@johnnysweekends I will say one of the biggest reasons I had been leaning towards these two was because I thought they were both not made in China, but found out due to your video that the Yamaha unfortunately is. How much do you think this has impacted, if at all, the quality of this specific Yamaha generator?
This is more of, if you have a gallon of gas, which one will provide more total power output or run time. And that would be the Yamaha. Fuel consumption specs are available for both units on there site.
So on these inverter generators, how low can the output go in watts before you stop saving any fuel? I know manufacturers use the 25% load metric, but is it lower?
Well there is a pro and con to trying to save fuel and also using the generator correctly. Idle rpm will be lowest fuel consumption with say a minimal output in watts. But is that efficient? And when always running low idle loads your building carbon deposits on head and valves, and down stream in the exhaust system and spark arrestor. Not to mention plug fouling will be more common. If always needing low watts towards the low end of day these units. It may be a better to get a small unit. You want to live in the 30% 70% range if you can. If you live at one of the above a majority of the time, the next size gen may be a better option.
Not sure what kind of oil you had in these. I used synthetic in my wen 56203i one of them from the start and the other after a break in period on straight 30w. They were purchased at different times with one coming with fuel level window. The newer fuel window one I only used synthetic and it was junk. Always cutting out gas hog real sensitive to oil level. The older one that I did 30w break in was a beast would use way less gas. Not scientific but I would fill them both up and put under same load and the newer one would run out way quicker.
Now I’m running 56380i wen and it’s so far so good. About 130 hours so far. Using only 30w and that is all I’m gonna use no synthetic which I’m really not sold on for these little engines. Now if it’s below 40 degrees I don’t use them. Not scientific but it seems like when I needed to add oil to it the gas consumption got worse not sure what that was all about. Never figured out why those 56203i leaked oil so bad but I sold them to pawn shop so I guess they will have to worry about it and not me.
I have heard issues with the 2000 watt model which I was surprised but who knows. I often wonder as well if the synthetic oils are not as good for these still very basic motors have probably do not have a very tight tolerance like cars and more. It’s very possible they may do better with a semi synthetic or regular base oil.
I did not measure the float bowl size. But I would assume if they are different it could be more then about 1 or 2 cc by looking at both of them. Minimum differences
@@johnnysweekends You are probably right! Thanks for a good video. I’m preparing my generator and fuel storage here in Sweden in case Putin cuts the power cables🤷♂️😅
Ahh gezzz man sorry to hear that. We’ll make sure you have a couple extra spark plugs, some oil and know how to fix the low speed jet if it gets plugged. I made a quick video on that as well. And your welcome glad you liked the video and take care over there..👍🏼
I would love it if you did this test against the westing house 2200 and 2500. This is exactly what I've always tried to figure out. This video rocked. I'd have bought the Honda if I wasnt to cheap so I bought the Westinghouse.
Lol I hear ya, I think both the westing house gens use the same 80cc clone Yamaha engine so fuel will be very close. I would assume the 2500 would be a little less since it should be able to idle down a little lower. But again I think.. 🤔😂
Yea once around 1500 or more all the time it may be time to move up a notch. Seems to be 50-80 % load is the manic area where gens last I guess. Of course that’s just hear say…🤷♂️
Why didn't you use a line or graduation on the container to stop the test? You wrecked your control letting the line empty and the generator sit there and sputter.
That was the hole point. The fuel line was directly hooked up to the carburetor. Each float bowl was pretty close to the same, although not measured I bet not much more then a ounce separated them. Then from the bulb syringe and clear tubing down to the carb, each generator had the same equal amount of fuel to run there test until shut off. So over all the control was pretty darn close in the test to give enough usable information for those who needed it or wanted to know.
Less output on the Yamaha, less fuel consumption, my opinion... , an for me, it's always the Honda, because of the stability of the Output power. And, lower rpm is better for a longer life. But, that is my Opinion... And Yamaha is not a bad brand at all... 😊
I agree both are good units and some people are die hard Yamaha. And honestly I don’t hear a lot of bad feedback on the Mm. I do like the low rpm purr of the Honda and smaller design over all
I feel like whatever one you can get a better deal on is the one to choose. I wanted the Honda but got a brand new yamaha ef2200 for 725, at that point the Honda isn’t worth the extra money.
We had the Honda E300 decades ago it was an amazing generator which we took half way around Australia. We started in Phillip Island and we drove up the East Coast right up to Cook Town then back down to Charters Towers. Then across to Three Ways Road House then back down to Adelaide stopping at Alice Springs, Tennent Creek Cooper Pedy and then back down the Peninsula to Adelaide. Over 170+ camps in total. We ran it over twice. (Forgot it was under the van). We thrashed the shit out of it ! I don't know how it lasted as long as it did. I would regularly take the head off and decarbonise and clean the combustion chamber. Why? I dont know. Back yard mechanic told us to. 😀 It was very good quality generator. Fk knows how it used to power what we put it through. I think it only generated 300W. Anyway, I'd buy another one albeit much bigger like 1800W or bigger. Honda. What a beauty! 👌👏
Dude awesome story!! Those old units were like tanks much like a lot of stuff from the 80s and before. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching 👍🏼😀
That’s leaves uncontrolled variables… no way to measure fuel line length, or visibility of all fuel used up, and setting load then topping fuel to fill mark and set timing. To many flaws just pouring fuel in.
Possible, but you also have a push rod motor verses Hondas timing belt. It’s pretty close from all gathered data. I do prefer the Honda though for size and how quiet if choosing between the two
Sorry, but tests were flawed from the beginning. The machines were not necessarily tested with exactly the same volume of fuel. Only if the carburettors were the same internal volume and fuel level, when the jets failed to pick up fuel, could these tests possibly be verified as fair, if even then. A fair test would be to time for an identical measure of fuel - one level on the external measuring vessel to another on that vessel. The measurements could be repeated without the machines running out of fuel (running out of fuel is not the way the machine operates normally). I’ve no idea which machine is most economical on fuel, but often, when used in the real world, the machine may spend some time at virtual idle or it may be running on a constant load. Even the actual voltage sustained may alter the total energy delivered, which may change close results one way or the other. Fair tests are not so very easy to arrange - especially if machines are closely matched - and these single tests were not proven to be a truly fair comparison.
True the float bowl size could have definitely giving one a advantage by a slight margin. I would say seconds as I have taking these apart before and the amount of volume between the two is minimally different. Every test has room for error and handicaps if you will. So to say the test is flawed is not really accurate at all. Verses the test did give some good usable data. Over all a smaller displacement engine running a light load more than likely is going to burn less fuel. But you are allowed to view it as you see fit. 👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends There is also the state of tune of the carburettor. There is the possibility that one was set weaker than the other (ideally they should be precisely the same, but not quite would be near enough to affect your results over a period of time). Some ‘running in’ might affect the life-time energy efficiency. Doing one run on each test was not particularly good practice, what with the results only being marginally different. Yes, personally, I would not accept your conclusions from only one run on each setting - with no further corroborative evidence that everything else was exactly identical. Sorry, but my personal conclusion, of your results, from a scientific point of view. Your conclusion may be correct but just not proven, either within the realms of significance or from the point of fair testing. Experiments such as this, with sweeping statements such as this, cannot be regarded as absolute.
Well if you just want facts I’ll let you draw a conclusion. Out of these two generators, if I give you one gallon of gas, which one will provide you with the most total energy?
@@johnnysweekends From your tests? I would have no idea, but I doubt there is very much between the two of them. Personally I prefer Honda to Yamaha - but my preference is likely biassed - from motorcycles in the 1960s to the strimmer and small water pump more recently. What is for sure is that I would purchase neither, in preference to the other, by using your testing data. I would be looking for more fair testing of the items, before coming to any hard conclusion.
If over all energy is what you are looking for out of 1g of gasoline the answer starts with the color B. Unless that still cant fill the ending your looking for. But hey what do I know.
Common sense says at higher rpm the Yamaha was louder... For potential new owners please include decibel tests in this video series Hondas gensets are incredibly quiet ...reliable durable.. and worth their cost.... I myself am an mz80 Yamaha guy because I can buy a genset from various makes with a genuine Yamaha engine for considerably less.. than a genset directly from Honda or Yamaha... I own 2 smarter tools ap2000iQ gensets with genuine mz80 Yamaha engines that I parallel with a wen 30A/50A socket kit.. 1st genset is from 2004/5 second genset from 2009.. the outer cases are scratched and banged up but they keep running..
People love the mz80 engine especially since it’s push rod and not belt driven But I do have a sound test and load test on these exact two units in another video. But yea if your Yamaha does finding a engine would actually be really easy to replace. Not so much on a Honda. Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching
@@johnnysweekends yes I seen the sound tests.. but sometimes people are viewing for the first time... It would be helpful for them... You are my go to for infor generators.. fossil fuel and lithium... When my gensets end their servicibility.. A-iPower for 2x 2300w and an ecoflow.. All thanks to your obsessive compulsive...micro managing and tyrannical testing
Wow thank you. Yea I guess I could at least let the viewer know I have a video with the sound tests or give them a overall on it. But yea many more videos coming. Just need time, work has been crazy 😜
Yea I know people have said that there unit runs smooth and others have said mine runs a little rough like yours… so unless I wanna mess with the mixture and break the tamper cap it will stay that way. 🤷♂️
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Hope you like the video be sure to subscribe..👍🏼💥 What do you think? Does this change anything on if you were to buy one? Does the fuel efficiency matter to you, as over time that can as to alot of savings? Thoughts….In this video we finally find out is the yamaha really more fuel efficient across the board, or not really at all. The hondas bigger engine idles lower but does it consume more fuel?
Let me know what ya think about the test. Is there something else you wanted to see? #honda #yamaha #invertergenerator #Hondaeu2200i
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It's important to have the side cover on to ensure proper airflow like it was designed for. This is precisely for high loads.
What exactly are you saying for the test or in general?
He means the air cooled motor can easily overheat without it's covers on. The covers keep the air moving in one direction from front to back. First the inverter gets cooled and then the motor.
Ahh ok well true but on a mid 70 degree day I think both units will be fine…
Especially during a short duration test
An interesting comparison. I've been a Honda rider since '76 but opted for a Yamaha genny solely because the Honda dealer insisted on charging me the setup fee whereas the Yamaha dealer didn't charge for setup. No regrets, love both brands as they are both equal quality in my eyes. Thanks for the comparison. 👍
Wow I was surprised the Yamaha was more fuel efficient I thought the Honda would win that test. I have a Honda EU2200i and it’s a great little genny. Thanks for making this video.
Your welcome, and the Honda does have a little larger engine so it doesn’t help oh and thanks for watching 😀👍🏼
I love that you show the rpms on these units. You can learn alot about your own machines watching your videos. I don't care which is better honestly lol. You couldn't go wrong either way. I was just always curious about the engine speed. I have two of the red ones but I'd take the blue as well lol. I tried to look up the rpm stats and you can only find max load ratings. Great job and thank you👍
You’re welcome and thanks for for the feedback. 👍🏼😀
GREAT TEST! Thank you. Like another guy commented, knowing the exact amount of fuel used for each test would have been even better. Not complaining, its was a great very time consuming test with great info. Based off your reply to another commenters question on fuel consumption of "about 100cc per test" the math comes out close to what Honda specs in their description. Based on estimated 100cc of fuel per test the Honda would have got 3.6 hours of run time per full gallon at rated load. Their literature states 3.2hr @ rated load 8.1 hrs @ 1/4 load (based off .95 gallon). That equals 3.42 hours of run time per .95 gallon at the load you tested at on the HONDA. Great stuff! Someone else can ask dew point and humidity during test to figure out any evaporation. LOL J/K. 😏
Lol yea add all that extra and elevation changes and then it gets complicated… lol
Thanks for the reply and thanks again for watching 😀👍🏼
I can see this testing becoming a series of tests...
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Lol oh no….🤦🏼♂️
It’s possible…🤣
I've always leaned Yamaha since dirt bikes, street bikes, sound bar and a pressure washer, but opted for a Honda string trimmer a few years ago. I love it and the sound. So I went with a double Honda with extended tank set up. The size difference is big too. Can't really go wrong regardless. I'll forever be a tuning fork fan. 😉
I hear ya I owned Yamaha Honda Suzuki and then a ktm dual sport. I think my couple Yamaha were the bikes I had the most fun on. The dual sport was good to just heavier obviously.
Excellent comparison. I'm surprised the Yamaha turned out to be comparably efficient.
Yes it did great and again the margin would be even broader if there was a bigger tank.
@@johnnysweekends and I've had the EU2200i shortly after it became available. I do like the larger piston & steel sleeve inside the piston bore + the accessibility of parts & service almost everywhere in Amerika if needed. No. I've NOT had any issues with mine. I've modified mine with a 3-way fuel valve that now allows me to use an external fuel tank instead of the generator's small .9 gallon gas tank.
YES, I drain the carb's float bowl & purge all gas from the lines AFTER every use. And I've switched to an NGK spark plug + I use Amsoil 5W-30 100% man-made synthetic oil in the crankcase.+ I've added an hour meter which I've felt is something Honda should have included in it's design.
Nice sounds like your gen is set… and yes a hour meter beside the built in light should have been added but again I have said this a lot, there is no reason this model shouldn’t be a 2500.
@@johnnysweekends Aaahhh men, brother!
You should get an oscilloscope and view the waveform output and see which unit produces cleaner power, idle and when under load. I would like to see those compared. Basically I'm under the impression that you really can't go wrong with either of these units. Both made by top shelf manufacturers, both designed to work well and last a long time and the differences being extremely minor.
Yea looking into getting one since so many requests. But yea I bet difference is minimal.
I've got two EU2200's and I just bought an EF2200. I've got to tell you, I'm impressed with this thing. Yes, it's bigger and bulkier than the Honda, and it's a bit noisier, but it's a little animal. After running it for a bit, I hooked it up to my transfer switch to see how it would handle my gas furnace with a 1/2 hp blower motor. It handled the start-up on eco mode without bogging down; I was very surprised. The larger tank, fuel gauge and carb drain valve are nice touches also. Question: I inserted my Honda parallel cords into the Yamaha's receptacles, and they fit perfectly. Do you think I can safely use them, rather than buying Yamaha's parallel kit? Thank you.
They are not data cables.
It’s just a piece of wire. That’s all.
Thanks for that test. Do you know the volume of gasoline in your temporary fuel tank and fuel lines? It would help me if you could share that! Thanks!
I don’t remember the volume and I didn’t write it down. From the container and fuel tube to the carb never changed. The only thing that did was the carb it self which each float bowls volume was slightly different. But it would be less than one once. More like a 5cc or less difference
Great video. I hope the fuel lines where the same length on both generators.
Yes as described in the video it was the same setup through out.
Thank you! Based off your math, an inverter generator really could run 7 hours on single gallon at low loads (around 400-500 watts)
That’s really good to hear because a 5000 BTU AC uses around 500 watts
Great video and comparison test. Do you know the size of the small fuel “tank” you used? I run the Yamaha and would like to extrapolate these run times to the actual tank size. Thanks!!
I think total volume of the syringe was 100cc roughly plus the tubing so not sure on that. Maybe another 30cc..??
JW hit 8k. Here's to the next 8k.
I know right!!! Pretty cool…!!
Thanks Mike, appreciate it…👊🏼😀👍🏼
*How many cc is the fuel jar???*
I think it was 100cc plus what was in the hose.
Only thing that really differs is the amount of fuel the float bowl could hold. Both looked very close. I should have measured those
@@johnnysweekends Okay noted... Thanks man...
I noticed the Honda's Idle was running on the rough side the generator was actually moving. The Yamaha was rock steady. Why was the Honda running so rough any idea?
Sometimes at certain rpm’s the Honda will just vibrate a little more, kinda like the harmonic balance gets way off in certain rpm ranges. It’s not anything to worry about but yes the Yamaha runs smooth.
@@johnnysweekends great test btw nice improv to compare both machines
Thank you. People have been asking which is really more efficient so figured I’ll check it out.
@@johnnysweekends please compare the the MaxPeedingRods unit to these two using the same set up.
I think the Honda would be a more fair comparison as the Yamaha will win over both, but the max/Genmax has a 145cc engine over the Honda 121. But carb and jetting make a difference but I would assume the Honda would win…never know till ya test.
You should have stopped the timer once fuel crossed a mark placed somewhere on the fuel line. This way you remove uncertainty of different carb volume between the generators skewing the run time. You also could have measured exact fuel used per load level and produced kWh/gal fuel efficiency results.
Yea sometimes you think about what you could have done after the fact.
Although I think both carbs had relatively the same size float bowls, and this did provide some good info. But the difference in size, I couldn’t see it being more then about a cc of fluid plus or minus which would vary in seconds of run time I would assume.
Would be nice to know the know the volume of the syringe. So the fuel/kwh could be calculated :)
Well you would have to include to long fuel line as well. I think the whole set up was roughly 100cc.
I'm assuming the power on the Yamaha is lower because it didn't output as many volts?
With lower power output that might cancel out it's fuel efficiency gains.
I don’t think it will mess with fuel efficiency too much as power out for that unit is what it is. But maybe if doing a charge on a battery bank at say 1500 watts consistent will the Honda fill it quicker and shut off some saving fuel..??? 🤔
The 30 amp RV outlet is the no brainer for me.
honda generators cannot be sold in ca???
No! They didn’t meet CARB and didn’t even try to redo it I guess. 🫤
This was great!
Thank you glad you liked 😀👍🏼
I'm literally so torn between these two. I will 95% of the time be using this for tailgating at college football games. Will have a TV running for probably 6-8 hours with MAYBE a Crockpot running for 1-3 hours here and there, as our grill is propane. I want the long-term efficiency and trustworthiness that I assume comes with a Honda, but the fuel gauge that would give me a lot peace of mind with the Yamaha since I know I would be checking the Honda's fuel level constantly without one. Any suggestions?
For reference, I would be running this generator at the front of my Tundra while tailgating at the back of it, in reference to sound . Appreciate any input you might have!
You could always get the Honda and add a extended fuel kit… which is a option but if you are running low watts most times the Yamaha over all is more fuel efficient…
And the Yamaha mz 80 motor is pretty darn bullet proof. Also a little cheaper.
I know tough choices.
The Honda is a pinch lighter and more compact if that helps.
I do like that RV plug on the Yamaha though and it even has a little night light that stays on
@@johnnysweekends Thanks for the input! Really do appreciate it!
@@johnnysweekends Do you think these two generators are on equal playing fields and are just tit for tat, or do you think one is genuinely superior overall?
@@johnnysweekends I will say one of the biggest reasons I had been leaning towards these two was because I thought they were both not made in China, but found out due to your video that the Yamaha unfortunately is. How much do you think this has impacted, if at all, the quality of this specific Yamaha generator?
So what was the rate of consumption? How many hrs per gallon does the test equate to?
This is more of, if you have a gallon of gas, which one will provide more total power output or run time. And that would be the Yamaha. Fuel consumption specs are available for both units on there site.
So on these inverter generators, how low can the output go in watts before you stop saving any fuel? I know manufacturers use the 25% load metric, but is it lower?
Well there is a pro and con to trying to save fuel and also using the generator correctly.
Idle rpm will be lowest fuel consumption with say a minimal output in watts. But is that efficient? And when always running low idle loads your building carbon deposits on head and valves, and down stream in the exhaust system and spark arrestor. Not to mention plug fouling will be more common.
If always needing low watts towards the low end of day these units. It may be a better to get a small unit.
You want to live in the 30% 70% range if you can. If you live at one of the above a majority of the time, the next size gen may be a better option.
Not sure what kind of oil you had in these. I used synthetic in my wen 56203i one of them from the start and the other after a break in period on straight 30w. They were purchased at different times with one coming with fuel level window. The newer fuel window one I only used synthetic and it was junk. Always cutting out gas hog real sensitive to oil level. The older one that I did 30w break in was a beast would use way less gas. Not scientific but I would fill them both up and put under same load and the newer one would run out way quicker.
Now I’m running 56380i wen and it’s so far so good. About 130 hours so far. Using only 30w and that is all I’m gonna use no synthetic which I’m really not sold on for these little engines. Now if it’s below 40 degrees I don’t use them. Not scientific but it seems like when I needed to add oil to it the gas consumption got worse not sure what that was all about. Never figured out why those 56203i leaked oil so bad but I sold them to pawn shop so I guess they will have to worry about it and not me.
I have heard issues with the 2000 watt model which I was surprised but who knows.
I often wonder as well if the synthetic oils are not as good for these still very basic motors have probably do not have a very tight tolerance like cars and more.
It’s very possible they may do better with a semi synthetic or regular base oil.
And that lol is cheaper as well
What’s the prices on each?
As of now I think the Yamaha is a pinch cheaper but both vary around $1150 depends where you find it.
Have you considered that the Yamaha could have a slightly bigger float housing?
I did not measure the float bowl size. But I would assume if they are different it could be more then about 1 or 2 cc by looking at both of them.
Minimum differences
@@johnnysweekends You are probably right! Thanks for a good video. I’m preparing my generator and fuel storage here in Sweden in case Putin cuts the power cables🤷♂️😅
Ahh gezzz man sorry to hear that. We’ll make sure you have a couple extra spark plugs, some oil and know how to fix the low speed jet if it gets plugged.
I made a quick video on that as well.
And your welcome glad you liked the video and take care over there..👍🏼
Thanks
You’re welcome 😀👍🏼
I would love it if you did this test against the westing house 2200 and 2500. This is exactly what I've always tried to figure out. This video rocked. I'd have bought the Honda if I wasnt to cheap so I bought the Westinghouse.
Lol I hear ya, I think both the westing house gens use the same 80cc clone Yamaha engine so fuel will be very close. I would assume the 2500 would be a little less since it should be able to idle down a little lower. But again I think.. 🤔😂
@@johnnysweekends I just bought the 2500 last week so I'm still breaking it in. If it's as efficient as the big 2, I'd be really happy.
I bet it’s pretty close. 👍🏼
At what load is it more economical to invest in a larger cc inverter generator? Seems to be 1800W ....
Yea once around 1500 or more all the time it may be time to move up a notch. Seems to be 50-80 % load is the manic area where gens last I guess. Of course that’s just hear say…🤷♂️
thank you alot
Why didn't you use a line or graduation on the container to stop the test? You wrecked your control letting the line empty and the generator sit there and sputter.
That was the hole point.
The fuel line was directly hooked up to the carburetor. Each float bowl was pretty close to the same, although not measured I bet not much more then a ounce separated them.
Then from the bulb syringe and clear tubing down to the carb, each generator had the same equal amount of fuel to run there test until shut off.
So over all the control was pretty darn close in the test to give enough usable information for those who needed it or wanted to know.
Less output on the Yamaha, less fuel consumption, my opinion... , an for me, it's always the Honda, because of the stability of the Output power. And, lower rpm is better for a longer life. But, that is my Opinion... And Yamaha is not a bad brand at all... 😊
I agree both are good units and some people are die hard Yamaha. And honestly I don’t hear a lot of bad feedback on the Mm.
I do like the low rpm purr of the Honda and smaller design over all
I feel like whatever one you can get a better deal on is the one to choose. I wanted the Honda but got a brand new yamaha ef2200 for 725, at that point the Honda isn’t worth the extra money.
Wow that’s a great deal..👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends keep an eye out for eBay listings from cali, a lot of people selling new or like new gens cheap
Nice I’ll keep a eye out
The lower rpm engine should last longer long term
I thought that 2200i model was the injected one, but you talk about a carburetor on that unit.
The injected model will be the new 3200i not 2200..👍🏼
We had the Honda E300 decades ago it was an amazing generator which we took half way around Australia.
We started in Phillip Island and we drove up the East Coast right up to Cook Town then back down to Charters Towers.
Then across to Three Ways Road House then back down to Adelaide stopping at Alice Springs, Tennent Creek Cooper Pedy and then back down the Peninsula to Adelaide.
Over 170+ camps in total.
We ran it over twice. (Forgot it was under the van).
We thrashed the shit out of it !
I don't know how it lasted as long as it did.
I would regularly take the head off and decarbonise and clean the combustion chamber.
Why? I dont know. Back yard mechanic told us to. 😀
It was very good quality generator.
Fk knows how it used to power what we put it through.
I think it only generated 300W.
Anyway, I'd buy another one albeit much bigger like 1800W or bigger.
Honda. What a beauty! 👌👏
Dude awesome story!! Those old units were like tanks much like a lot of stuff from the 80s and before.
Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching 👍🏼😀
@@johnnysweekends Thanks for the reply.
Much appreciated!
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Why yamaha outputs less?
Could be a number of things, inverter board, smaller capacitors, maybe less copper windings on the generator..🤷♂️
Seems like the best way to do the test would of been the way they are ment to run from factory.
Just add a qt. of gas.
That’s leaves uncontrolled variables… no way to measure fuel line length, or visibility of all fuel used up, and setting load then topping fuel to fill mark and set timing.
To many flaws just pouring fuel in.
@@johnnysweekends thank you for responding I understand 100%.
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But... higher RPM's means more wear. So you can expect the Yamaha piston rings and cylinder walls to wear out much faster than the Honda will.
Possible, but you also have a push rod motor verses Hondas timing belt.
It’s pretty close from all gathered data.
I do prefer the Honda though for size and how quiet if choosing between the two
@@johnnysweekends Gotta admit, not crazy about the timing belt repair on the Honda.
@BillySBC its not horrible but its time. And how many hours on the whole unit. So all depends i guess.
Sorry, but tests were flawed from the beginning. The machines were not necessarily tested with exactly the same volume of fuel. Only if the carburettors were the same internal volume and fuel level, when the jets failed to pick up fuel, could these tests possibly be verified as fair, if even then.
A fair test would be to time for an identical measure of fuel - one level on the external measuring vessel to another on that vessel. The measurements could be repeated without the machines running out of fuel (running out of fuel is not the way the machine operates normally).
I’ve no idea which machine is most economical on fuel, but often, when used in the real world, the machine may spend some time at virtual idle or it may be running on a constant load. Even the actual voltage sustained may alter the total energy delivered, which may change close results one way or the other.
Fair tests are not so very easy to arrange - especially if machines are closely matched - and these single tests were not proven to be a truly fair comparison.
True the float bowl size could have definitely giving one a advantage by a slight margin. I would say seconds as I have taking these apart before and the amount of volume between the two is minimally different. Every test has room for error and handicaps if you will.
So to say the test is flawed is not really accurate at all. Verses the test did give some good usable data. Over all a smaller displacement engine running a light load more than likely is going to burn less fuel.
But you are allowed to view it as you see fit. 👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends There is also the state of tune of the carburettor. There is the possibility that one was set weaker than the other (ideally they should be precisely the same, but not quite would be near enough to affect your results over a period of time). Some ‘running in’ might affect the life-time energy efficiency.
Doing one run on each test was not particularly good practice, what with the results only being marginally different.
Yes, personally, I would not accept your conclusions from only one run on each setting - with no further corroborative evidence that everything else was exactly identical. Sorry, but my personal conclusion, of your results, from a scientific point of view. Your conclusion may be correct but just not proven, either within the realms of significance or from the point of fair testing. Experiments such as this, with sweeping statements such as this, cannot be regarded as absolute.
Well if you just want facts I’ll let you draw a conclusion.
Out of these two generators, if I give you one gallon of gas, which one will provide you with the most total energy?
@@johnnysweekends From your tests? I would have no idea, but I doubt there is very much between the two of them.
Personally I prefer Honda to Yamaha - but my preference is likely biassed - from motorcycles in the 1960s to the strimmer and small water pump more recently.
What is for sure is that I would purchase neither, in preference to the other, by using your testing data. I would be looking for more fair testing of the items, before coming to any hard conclusion.
If over all energy is what you are looking for out of 1g of gasoline the answer starts with the color B.
Unless that still cant fill the ending your looking for. But hey what do I know.
Common sense says at higher rpm the Yamaha was louder... For potential new owners please include decibel tests in this video series
Hondas gensets are incredibly quiet ...reliable durable.. and worth their cost....
I myself am an mz80 Yamaha guy because I can buy a genset from various makes with a genuine Yamaha engine for considerably less.. than a genset directly from Honda or Yamaha...
I own 2 smarter tools ap2000iQ gensets with genuine mz80 Yamaha engines that I parallel with a wen 30A/50A socket kit..
1st genset is from 2004/5 second genset from 2009.. the outer cases are scratched and banged up but they keep running..
People love the mz80 engine especially since it’s push rod and not belt driven
But I do have a sound test and load test on these exact two units in another video.
But yea if your Yamaha does finding a engine would actually be really easy to replace. Not so much on a Honda.
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching
@@johnnysweekends yes I seen the sound tests.. but sometimes people are viewing for the first time... It would be helpful for them...
You are my go to for infor generators.. fossil fuel and lithium...
When my gensets end their servicibility.. A-iPower for 2x 2300w and an ecoflow..
All thanks to your obsessive compulsive...micro managing and tyrannical testing
Wow thank you.
Yea I guess I could at least let the viewer know I have a video with the sound tests or give them a overall on it.
But yea many more videos coming. Just need time, work has been crazy 😜
Your Honda not running smooth, lots of vibrations on idle.
Yea seems like a normal complaint even my eu2000i did it…
@@johnnysweekends my 2200 run smoother.
Yea I know people have said that there unit runs smooth and others have said mine runs a little rough like yours… so unless I wanna mess with the mixture and break the tamper cap it will stay that way.
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@@johnnysweekends Mines the same runs a bit rough
Yea weird, maybe harmonics down low or??
Thanks for the reply..👍🏼
I wish u had gathered 1 more piece of data during this test, dBA noise. Was the Honda quieter at each RPM?
Honda is quieter through the entire rpm range. On the low rpm’s not by much but still quieter than the Yamaha.
Honda has everyone beat there
Where are these built?
Honda is Taiwan and Yamaha is now built in China