@@hobosnake1 I came back to the game few weeks ago after not playing since Cata, i found Havoc to be pretty clunky to play, mostly the zooming feels weird, i droped it, i'd rather play something like a assa rogue or warrior where the gameplay feels better
@Pixtel1 it is a class that feels out of place in WoW in terms of its mechanics. I do love the playstyle though. Once you tame the chaos and unwieldy nature of having to use movement for damage, it becomes really fun. (But I know it's not for everyone).
@@VooDooSaurus so without lust the combo would be imaura sigil hunt fellblade eyebeam felrush deathsweep anih vengretrea into meta deathsweep anih imaura sigil eyebeam felrush esbreak deathsweep ani is this the optimal?
So, are we really enjoying Havoc right now or are we just glad it isn't as terrible as it was in the beta? I don't know... the downtimes are quite boring
@@riiann I enjoy it quite a bit, but I've heard friends who say they don't like it. I think it's quite polarizing. Mostly because mover builds are meta. I like mover builds, but a lot of people don't.
Worth a note: If you imo aura early enough before pull, you get a free charge of inertia! it lasts until you fel rush. So you can imo aura 25+ sec before pull, then use again on pull (after consuming first one). Thought I'd just share this here, since we're talking openers
@@RuthlessWelshy even when people say it's at its worst, I still enjoy it too much not to main it. It's why so many people play DH. It's just... the movement is addicting.
Your info is so amazing, thanks for the vids. I noticed on your logs Demonsurge was no1 dmg followed by Burningblades. Lots of logs I see have Burningblades as no1, is that user error on our part. should Demonsurge always be no1 or it depends on fights or something? Thanks!
@@jorgepolanco2287 depends on fights or if you’re getting aug’d. Burning blades is going to be top on ST, but if you’re doing cleave stuff demonsurge will also win out. On top of that, if you’re being aug’d warcraft logs isn’t able to give the damage that Aug is giving burning blades to them, so it’s boosting it above what it should be.
Holy shit that rotation is even more awful than in DF Glad I swapped to fury but still wanna play DH 😢 btw I’m not just too dumb to do it I just don’t like the playstyle
My current problem with Havoc is that I REALLY don't like the playstyle. Both Reaver and Scarred feel horrible to play and maintain a consistent high damage tempo. Swapped to my Fury and Frost DK until it gets better.
@@alexandertrifunovic7376 maybe he doesnt like the needing to use blade dance and chaos strike after the first eye beam?, kinda feels like season 2 of shadowlands where you have to chaos strike to us your inner demon also before you use your EB window which makes the opener a bit clunky, but just my thought
@@alexandertrifunovic7376 I may be broken in the head because I liked the shadowlands maintaining Sinful brand uptime gameplay WAYYY more than everyone else
I tried to play havoc for the last couple of years, but i always compare current play style wtih BFA last season and for me it was so much fun back there that unfortunately i just cannot appreciate modern havoc 😢
Kind of off topic. Do you have a video showing how I can macro my trinkets to cast when I use chaos strike? It’s been super confusing watching other videos and they don’t really explain it that well for an idiot like me
@@skylarthekid no video but should be #showtooltip Chaos Strike /use 13 /cast Chaos Strike Can replace 13 with 14 if it’s your second trinket instead of your first Some trinkets don’t work super well with macros but this should be close
We knew a rough season was coming right? Our Hero Trees were meh, so we are meh in all forms of content. We will probably not thrive this season but we will be fine!
i kinda wish FS was more.. interesting. Like it barely makes any change to the standard rotation apart from making sure to use demonsurge and sigil of flame. And aldrachi just sucks all round. We definitely got the short end of the stick (again) when it comes to hero talents gameplay and visuals (as well as tier mog). I do like our tier set though, simple but good
The fact that a graph like this exists and Blizzard doesnt think "Ok we have the data, we know what to do about it" to make everything playable is insane to me, after 15 years and nothing really, has changed. What is it that keeps people stuck in this company and their games is beyond me.
@@rudy2978 it’s not necessarily that simple, and they are balancing the lower end to go higher But ya balance comes and goes, some patches are better than others
Is it viable to pick unbound chaos over glaive tempest in m+? FS no mover. I just really really hate the post Legion version of glaive tempest. I'd even pick isolated prey over it if its fixed just to not have to deal with it.
@@Vis_Electra at that point just play mover you’ll be fel rushing the exact same amount and can change glaive tempest out for inertia and keep inner demon
hey, @VooDooSaurus ....new fresh out the oven ,WoW player here with mythic and high pvp aspirations...soo all myfriends told me and warned me not to use DH that he was extremely dificult to use,learn, and be relevant on terms of DPS but me being a hardcore gamer and hardheaded stuck with him...are you planning to play DH on Mythic raids? also when you say the new opener thats for SIngle Target correct, or does taht also work for AoE situations...are we not doing the VR into meta anymore?...and okay thats our opener but what to keep doing after that throw glaives/glaive tempest? use some felrushes/chaos strikes/felblades until our next eye beam/essense break is up to do that rotation and basically sae the hunt for meta and use the opener again??....im kinda confused...ive noticed when i do dunngeons and dwelves i do pretty good damage but when its raids that the bosses have sich a higher pool of hp i cant keep up on dps because the rotationjsut goes all over the place after the initial opener sorry for the wall of text
@@edr1k579 yup! I’m planning on playing havoc for all end game pve content, it’s what I’ve been playing for a while now and have no plan to change. I made a general havoc guide that I recommend you check out, it should answer a lot of your questions. I’ll be doing a mythic plus specific one this Friday which will also help! There’s just too much to type out here
Thanks for the video man. What rotation are you doing when your eye beam AND meta come off cooldown? Repeat of your intro or are you still spending VR on the eye beam?
NGL I do absolutely LOVE being able to buff eye beam during lust with inertia, it feels more natural to me, just me personally though. Is it worth it to buff eye beam in 3+ targets with inertia, or still no?
When we get increased eyebeam dmg. Does the mean the veng part of it is increased too? 8:55 you said the whole 8,5% would get that increased dmg but i am unsure if the bluepost include the veng part.
@@thomaskruger547 vengeance doesn’t have access to Chaotic disposition, and their eyebeam was already splitting after the right number of targets, so it wouldn’t change anything
@@VooDooSaurus sry i wrote it very poorly. If you check the dropdown on eyebeam dmg you find eye beam and fel devestation cause of our class talent tree. You said earlier in the video that the two versions are kinda weird. So if you did like 8% dmg with eyebeam and check some is from eyebeam and some is fel devestation and so my question is: are both parts changed or is only the eyebeam dmg part changed? ( hope i descriped it a bit more clearly this time)
I love havoc but i feel like we'r doing a lot of zooming, blast, pew pew, booom for just doing dps. Other classes you press 4 buttons and do the same.
That’s what makes us cool though.
Really? I find the playstyle pretty simple, but I also have a lot of experience on Havoc, so maybe that has some to do with it.
@@hobosnake1 I came back to the game few weeks ago after not playing since Cata, i found Havoc to be pretty clunky to play, mostly the zooming feels weird, i droped it, i'd rather play something like a assa rogue or warrior where the gameplay feels better
@Pixtel1 it is a class that feels out of place in WoW in terms of its mechanics. I do love the playstyle though. Once you tame the chaos and unwieldy nature of having to use movement for damage, it becomes really fun. (But I know it's not for everyone).
Just looks like the balance between what we need to do and what we gain from this is not quite right.
Without lust and meta up do you still do the same combo as the lust one or no?
@@balaksian no if you don’t have lust you want to felrush after eyebeam
@@VooDooSaurus so without lust the combo would be imaura sigil hunt fellblade eyebeam felrush deathsweep anih vengretrea into meta deathsweep anih imaura sigil eyebeam felrush esbreak deathsweep ani is this the optimal?
@@balaksian yup that’s perfectly fine, can also move the VR to right before abyssal gaze, although the difference there will be minimal
@@VooDooSaurus thank you brother
So, are we really enjoying Havoc right now or are we just glad it isn't as terrible as it was in the beta? I don't know... the downtimes are quite boring
I think when we played AFI in raid it made it a bit more interesting but other than that I think it’s fun.
@@riiann I enjoy it quite a bit, but I've heard friends who say they don't like it. I think it's quite polarizing. Mostly because mover builds are meta. I like mover builds, but a lot of people don't.
Worth a note: If you imo aura early enough before pull, you get a free charge of inertia! it lasts until you fel rush. So you can imo aura 25+ sec before pull, then use again on pull (after consuming first one). Thought I'd just share this here, since we're talking openers
@@ystein1625 you can but it’s generally not worth the time lost between pulls to ask your raid to do this lol
@@VooDooSaurus just make a routine to pop an imo aura early enough lol. In my guild timers are 20 sec anyways.
Yeah im still playing Havoc im just addicted to DH....
@@RuthlessWelshy even when people say it's at its worst, I still enjoy it too much not to main it. It's why so many people play DH. It's just... the movement is addicting.
Your info is so amazing, thanks for the vids. I noticed on your logs Demonsurge was no1 dmg followed by Burningblades. Lots of logs I see have Burningblades as no1, is that user error on our part. should Demonsurge always be no1 or it depends on fights or something? Thanks!
@@jorgepolanco2287 depends on fights or if you’re getting aug’d.
Burning blades is going to be top on ST, but if you’re doing cleave stuff demonsurge will also win out.
On top of that, if you’re being aug’d warcraft logs isn’t able to give the damage that Aug is giving burning blades to them, so it’s boosting it above what it should be.
i m watching the mythic push and Liquids' Dh Lilstick is toping meters O_O Note : HE is specced mostly for mastery!
Holy shit that rotation is even more awful than in DF
Glad I swapped to fury but still wanna play DH 😢 btw I’m not just too dumb to do it I just don’t like the playstyle
My current problem with Havoc is that I REALLY don't like the playstyle. Both Reaver and Scarred feel horrible to play and maintain a consistent high damage tempo. Swapped to my Fury and Frost DK until it gets better.
What do you mean scarred feels so nice to play, have you even played the really bad dh versions?:D
@@alexandertrifunovic7376 maybe he doesnt like the needing to use blade dance and chaos strike after the first eye beam?, kinda feels like season 2 of shadowlands where you have to chaos strike to us your inner demon also before you use your EB window which makes the opener a bit clunky, but just my thought
same, I always mained havoc since bfa, but it got super complicated to make good dps, and the play style is dogsht
It’s good to have different style and flavors, I really like the high amp insane movement playstyle.
And I assume there will be plenty of
@@alexandertrifunovic7376 I may be broken in the head because I liked the shadowlands maintaining Sinful brand uptime gameplay WAYYY more than everyone else
Hello Voodoo, but AR is still good? or its better to platy FS right know, btw good work with the videos, keep it up ❤️!
@@albertomeciasurbieta5803 nah just play FS, easier to hit realistic numbers and it’s burst dps is quite valuable
I tried to play havoc for the last couple of years, but i always compare current play style wtih BFA last season and for me it was so much fun back there that unfortunately i just cannot appreciate modern havoc 😢
ty! Can you share Weakaura?
Kind of off topic. Do you have a video showing how I can macro my trinkets to cast when I use chaos strike? It’s been super confusing watching other videos and they don’t really explain it that well for an idiot like me
@@skylarthekid no video but should be
#showtooltip Chaos Strike
/use 13
/cast Chaos Strike
Can replace 13 with 14 if it’s your second trinket instead of your first
Some trinkets don’t work super well with macros but this should be close
@@VooDooSaurus thank you so much! You rock man!
have these bugs been fixed yet?
yup
We knew a rough season was coming right? Our Hero Trees were meh, so we are meh in all forms of content. We will probably not thrive this season but we will be fine!
VooDooSaurus, amazing video keep up the amazing work
i kinda wish FS was more.. interesting. Like it barely makes any change to the standard rotation apart from making sure to use demonsurge and sigil of flame. And aldrachi just sucks all round. We definitely got the short end of the stick (again) when it comes to hero talents gameplay and visuals (as well as tier mog). I do like our tier set though, simple but good
Man your videos are crazy good, they have helped me since I picked up Havoc at s3 DF. Keep the good work
Man these comments 😂 Voodoo u got some patience to read some of these takes
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Why not use sigil of Doom after meta in the opener, for the mastery buff?
For Isolated Prey and Chaotic Disposition are those percentage buffs additive or multiplicative with each other?
Is there any weakaura for 4set? Managed to get it week 1.
The fact that a graph like this exists and Blizzard doesnt think "Ok we have the data, we know what to do about it" to make everything playable is insane to me, after 15 years and nothing really, has changed. What is it that keeps people stuck in this company and their games is beyond me.
@@rudy2978 it’s not necessarily that simple, and they are balancing the lower end to go higher
But ya balance comes and goes, some patches are better than others
Is it viable to pick unbound chaos over glaive tempest in m+? FS no mover.
I just really really hate the post Legion version of glaive tempest. I'd even pick isolated prey over it if its fixed just to not have to deal with it.
@@Vis_Electra at that point just play mover you’ll be fel rushing the exact same amount and can change glaive tempest out for inertia and keep inner demon
What weak aura package do you use for havoc DH ?
Btw thx for all the work you put into havoc. ;)
hey, @VooDooSaurus ....new fresh out the oven ,WoW player here with mythic and high pvp aspirations...soo all myfriends told me and warned me not to use DH that he was extremely dificult to use,learn, and be relevant on terms of DPS but me being a hardcore gamer and hardheaded stuck with him...are you planning to play DH on Mythic raids? also when you say the new opener thats for SIngle Target correct, or does taht also work for AoE situations...are we not doing the VR into meta anymore?...and okay thats our opener but what to keep doing after that throw glaives/glaive tempest? use some felrushes/chaos strikes/felblades until our next eye beam/essense break is up to do that rotation and basically sae the hunt for meta and use the opener again??....im kinda confused...ive noticed when i do dunngeons and dwelves i do pretty good damage but when its raids that the bosses have sich a higher pool of hp i cant keep up on dps because the rotationjsut goes all over the place after the initial opener sorry for the wall of text
@@edr1k579 yup! I’m planning on playing havoc for all end game pve content, it’s what I’ve been playing for a while now and have no plan to change.
I made a general havoc guide that I recommend you check out, it should answer a lot of your questions. I’ll be doing a mythic plus specific one this Friday which will also help! There’s just too much to type out here
Thanks for the video man. What rotation are you doing when your eye beam AND meta come off cooldown? Repeat of your intro or are you still spending VR on the eye beam?
@@thejamez10000 VR on eyebeam, inertia on eyebeam is only during lust
Antorus's Havoc is best Havoc
Hell yeah shaman!!!!
NGL I do absolutely LOVE being able to buff eye beam during lust with inertia, it feels more natural to me, just me personally though.
Is it worth it to buff eye beam in 3+ targets with inertia, or still no?
@@wardeagle1015 in meta you would, but generally speaking the demonsurges are going to be much more damage in most pulls, so you’d rather buff them
@@VooDooSaurus That makes perfect sense especially looking back at breakdowns and at demonsurge damage. Thanks man!
When meta comes back up at around 2 minutes are we supposed to wait for eyebeam to come off CD or do we just send meta?
@@dirtymike2405 wait
So eyebeam combo first then into meta to reset eyebeam? Just wanna make sure I understand that correctly
@@wardeagle1015 you want to do meta into essence break combo with the eyebeam reset you get from using meta
When we get increased eyebeam dmg. Does the mean the veng part of it is increased too?
8:55 you said the whole 8,5% would get that increased dmg but i am unsure if the bluepost include the veng part.
@@thomaskruger547 vengeance doesn’t have access to Chaotic disposition, and their eyebeam was already splitting after the right number of targets, so it wouldn’t change anything
@@VooDooSaurus sry i wrote it very poorly. If you check the dropdown on eyebeam dmg you find eye beam and fel devestation cause of our class talent tree.
You said earlier in the video that the two versions are kinda weird.
So if you did like 8% dmg with eyebeam and check some is from eyebeam and some is fel devestation and so my question is: are both parts changed or is only the eyebeam dmg part changed? ( hope i descriped it a bit more clearly this time)
@@thomaskruger547 ah, I Gotchu
Only the eyebeam damage portion, fel devastation was working fine
when is this fix going live? is it today?
Tuesday reset I believe
havocs dog shit in pvp but thanks nerd, appreciate the info.
remove essence break and inertia. bring back simpler more fun dh
Good video bro !!!💪💪💪
BIG QUESTION HERE: Why are your rings enchanted at 190 mastery when you have 265 enchants available? Kinda nerfing yourself there
@@reddragonstudios1 because I don’t want to spend 30k gold to enchant 100 extra mastery onto random ass rings I’m going to replace in a week?
@@VooDooSaurus idk what realm your on but rank 2s are like 5k on my realm