Why a Stand Alone ECU is The Next Best Option + Price Breakdown

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  • Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024

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  • @Eri94
    @Eri94 2 года назад +33

    Watching you go through these made me realize how much I’ve taken for granted how accessible the access port is.

  • @jgrady3888
    @jgrady3888 2 года назад +11

    Standalones are definitely the optimal choice when it comes to getting the most out of your build. One major thing people aren't mentioning alot that I found out is emissions testing. Standalones do NOT support emissions readiness monitors. So, if your state requires smog or emissions testing via obd2, you will not pass. This is why the EPA isnt really concerned with standalone ecus. These units are for racecars. Unless you're in a state with no emissions testing, you are sol for your street legal vehicle.

  • @styrex4261
    @styrex4261 2 года назад +4

    i’m going open source tuning since it’s easier for me to convert to. Stand-alone would be very nice with all the features it offers though.

  • @AlexComeau
    @AlexComeau 2 года назад

    Emtron is the best.

  • @DCDavid718
    @DCDavid718 2 года назад +3

    04/05 US spec STI fall under a grey area when it comes to plug and play stand alone ECU. Most company’s like Link and Haltech make their kits for the 2.0L 04/05 STI

    • @wyatts9646
      @wyatts9646 2 года назад +1

      I got an 04 STI and am also looking at what other tuners/ecus there are and I've noticed that aswell. Seems like early wrxs and newer STIs have lots of options for tuning, but early STIs don't have many options available for tuning.

  • @RolandKaos
    @RolandKaos 2 года назад

    Haltech 1500 is fine for the EJ platform. Dont need the 2500 for the 4 cylinder EJ platform

  • @RIVIMAX
    @RIVIMAX 2 года назад +2

    All the videos I’ve seen are related to the old ej platforms but currently the only option out there for the fa platform is motec

  • @DarlingtheBugeye
    @DarlingtheBugeye 2 года назад +4

    You also need additional sensors for a lot of these. My Link with all the wiring I needed and a digital gauge rather than dash and sensors ended up being around $3400 not including a tune.

  • @ranran2218
    @ranran2218 2 года назад +6

    AP is still good for most people and basic mods and bolt ons. But if you are going for a high HP build then you have to do a stand alone for sure. Good video with good info. 🙏

    • @rustyshackleford81
      @rustyshackleford81 2 года назад

      Unless you have an 04-06 STI and you want top feed injectors. Someone interested in making some money needs to figure out fooling the TGV inputs into thinking they are still plugged in. In my 06 STI the TGV deletes are also top feed injector conversions...

  • @caydensmith7585
    @caydensmith7585 Год назад

    Just so everyone knows if we have to use other ecu's for daily drivers, those companies are just going to follow in COBB's footsteps to control emissions. It ruins all platforms so if you think this is a better option then you'd just be speeding up the process of taking all tuning out of the average daily driver.

  • @adambarnard4628
    @adambarnard4628 2 года назад

    What we need is someone to tune their STI before the update. With their tgv deletes and the other things on the new list of Cobbs no nos. Then once the new update droop for them to retune it to see what is really affected.

  • @Smktout32
    @Smktout32 2 года назад +2

    So for basic bolt ons an a tune the accessport is still the way to go. Meth injection is still an option over flex fuel.

  • @marcerab16
    @marcerab16 2 года назад

    Thanks man, I was for sure thinking of selling my cobb, so this info was definitely needed

  • @kylecamarena-pipa5879
    @kylecamarena-pipa5879 2 года назад +4

    Could you do a video on how open source tuning would work?

  • @frankfly1368
    @frankfly1368 2 года назад +5

    It’s funny to me that guys are tripping about Cobb when the changes won’t affect their build whatsoever lol

    • @clifford_2zero7
      @clifford_2zero7 2 года назад

      Definitely effecting me 😅😅😅 but yeah, the demographic of these groups on Facebook are whiners. And truthfully most of them it wont...

    • @frankfly1368
      @frankfly1368 2 года назад +2

      @@clifford_2zero7 I went to a Subie meet last week. There were about 40 WRX’s there and only about 2 of them were on flex or catless. It’s a small population pushing their car far enough that this will interrupt their plans

    • @Bones12x2
      @Bones12x2 2 года назад

      Yep, 90% of the people freaking out are on stock turbos that aside from flex fuel didnt lose anything.

  • @StarwindIV
    @StarwindIV 2 года назад +18

    I think Tactrix is a better entry level/middle ground... cheaper, fits most folks needs. Standalone is waaay overkill for most people.... standalone is an unreasonable option for most lmfao.

    • @romariosmith422
      @romariosmith422 2 года назад +1

      With tactrix what's available for the VA Chassis?

    • @bunghoelio9026
      @bunghoelio9026 2 года назад

      Bruh delete this fr lol

    • @StarwindIV
      @StarwindIV 2 года назад +2

      @@bunghoelio9026 why? You have a good reason?

    • @StarwindIV
      @StarwindIV 2 года назад

      @@romariosmith422 unfortunately not as much, but some definitions exist on their site from what I see

    • @Bones12x2
      @Bones12x2 2 года назад

      @@bunghoelio9026 why? He is right. Stand alones for 90% of people don't make sense. Most places can't/won't pass inspection and the cost and features are way overkill for most people. Even the Accessport is still oerfecrly fine for 75% of people. Only actual race/drag cars and the lucky few with high power builds that street drive withour needing to do any OBDII inspection have any reason to use a stand alone over an Accessport or Open Source.

  • @Slagtrap
    @Slagtrap 2 года назад +3

    While I’m all for stand alone ECUs (had a FAST XFI on my Buick GN). Does this even address the root issue of the EPA shutting down companies?? My understanding is they are at least as capable or possibly even more capable of defeating emissions devices than flash tuners are. Like is there anything that protects stand alone companies from the EPA going after them eventually?

    • @mattperjes6173
      @mattperjes6173 2 года назад +1

      I don’t think the EPA is really concerned at all for stand alone’s because of the price of stand alone’s and the associated work to get a stand alone running is a deterrent for a majority of people. flash tuners/obd2 tuners like cobb cost a margin of the price and gave you a lot of accessibility and tuning options. The fact that you can also remap to a emissions safe/stock tune when it’s time to get inspected probably didn’t fiddle right with the EPA. I wouldn’t really worry if I were you. I also think that cracking down on tuning scene isn’t going to do much. Rules are meant to be broken and loopholes are going to be found, that’s literally what car tuning has always been about.

  • @FuJiNF
    @FuJiNF 2 года назад +3

    Standalone has always been the better option for performance. You will know the limitations of the stock ECU when you start running higher hp cars. Only experience tuning/ building Subaru's can you make the most out of what the stock ECU can do.
    Btw, stand alone ECU's has been out for a long time. Nothing new.

  • @zackstaa7826
    @zackstaa7826 2 года назад +1

    I built my newest gaming PC for around $3000 and it’s pretty high end. There’s no way I would spend that kind of money on what’s essentially just a small computer that runs a basic 16-32bit operating system, unless I was building an actual race car with crazy power and required such an advanced tune.

    • @Indigostar_media
      @Indigostar_media 2 года назад

      We’re you using Cobb to gain fuel economy? Lmao

    • @zackstaa7826
      @zackstaa7826 2 года назад +2

      @@Indigostar_media No, but I daily drive my Subaru. Big difference between a race car with crazy power and a daily driver with a few bolt ons making under 400hp. Again, if I was building an actual race car, thousands on a ECU and a tune would make sense because required parameters would probably exceed what a tuner would be able to do with an Accessport.

    • @Indigostar_media
      @Indigostar_media 2 года назад

      The Subies pretty sick off the lot (till recently 😂) I understand what your saying but if that’s the case why even bother with the ap? You CAN get the sticker without the actual unit and save over $1000

    • @zackstaa7826
      @zackstaa7826 2 года назад

      @@Indigostar_media I don’t want to build a race car to daily. I’m fine with a sporty daily driver with cool “woosh” and “pspspsps” noises, it’s fun. I like racing, I used to drive race cars for years, but it was hobby stock and 602 late models on dirt tracks.

  • @freelimes8389
    @freelimes8389 2 года назад

    Why yall forgetting tactrix shits the cheapest and the best option. The bigger we make the community the more tunes and information we'll be able to share.

  • @qmackk
    @qmackk 2 года назад

    Can’t wait to see Austin’s subie rip this weekend

  • @solarex7315
    @solarex7315 2 года назад +1

    Cobb pro tuning is still good im getting mine pro tuned the tuner just said it will be a little harder

    • @Indigostar_media
      @Indigostar_media 2 года назад

      He explained in previous videos, your still guna have your map and the flash will run, but the first time you throw an engine code your done. You have to update the device and the map will be visible but unavailable to you - in grey mute font

    • @Indigostar_media
      @Indigostar_media 2 года назад +1

      Your tuner told you that so he can still make $$ from the licence he paid for that’s guna be useless next month. Guna charge you and stick you w a car you can’t troubleshoot or read.

    • @Ahoooie
      @Ahoooie 2 года назад +1

      @@Indigostar_media cobb totally screwed the subie communitty by not informing everyone way earlier.Had they told us,we all wouldve taken advantage before the end of next month.Id be surprised if they ever end being successful with tuners after this bs.An how tf are they going to go green an still support the tuning/modding groups.Maybe they can start tuning teslas.lol

    • @Indigostar_media
      @Indigostar_media 2 года назад

      Back to topic, NO. COBB PRO TUNE IT !NOT! Still good. For anything. Except getting robbed. Unless you’ve already dialed in a map on Cobb over years of perfecting your build and never plan to change a single thing ever again then your screwed. I guess if all you have is an intake and your essential stock tune anyways... for YOU GUYS Cobb is great. But IMO was never much more anyways.

  • @ararson4710
    @ararson4710 2 года назад +1

    Standalone will not pass the emissions at all.

  • @Ieatzboltz
    @Ieatzboltz 2 года назад

    I just hope they do come out with a flex fuel kit. I’m tuned for E60 but I’d like more power at least 380 whp.

    • @clifford_2zero7
      @clifford_2zero7 2 года назад

      E60 is basically the best power output from my knowledge. At least for Fa's i believe there isnt much benefit on the dyno from going to straight e85 from about E60. Im not sure about ej's. Maybe I'm wrong too as my research goes back a couple years

    • @wyatts9646
      @wyatts9646 2 года назад

      @@clifford_2zero7 I don't see why e85 wouldn't be better, it would make the engine run a littler but colder and make a little more power. Also Flex fuel means you can put any amount of 91 and e85 in and it will know what percentage of ethanol your at. Which is very helpful if you cant find an e85 station.

    • @clifford_2zero7
      @clifford_2zero7 2 года назад

      @@wyatts9646 I've read plenty of documents from prestigious tuners stating there isn't really any more benifits to going more than E60 in a fa20dit. Do the research I'm sure you'll find the same ones!

    • @wyatts9646
      @wyatts9646 2 года назад

      @@clifford_2zero7 Well I guess we don't know if the guy who commented is running an FA motor or not. Even if e60 to e85 doesn't add power being able to just put e85 in and not have to mix it is a plus.

    • @clifford_2zero7
      @clifford_2zero7 2 года назад

      @@wyatts9646 ohh for sure bro def easier not to mix. E60 is definitely a lot better than 91 and 93 but after that ive come to the conclusion from data (im not a tuner just an obsessed enthusiast with a tuned 18 wrx😅) i think they stick with recommending e60 over straight e85 maybe because of the harshness of ethanol eating seals and such? I also know you have to pump more ethanol to than fuel to create energy so after that you may be just sacrificing fuel economy as well

  • @Honda_Rob
    @Honda_Rob 2 года назад +3

    Do you loose the odometer and have to use a different cluster for this motec to work?

    • @k1ndalow
      @k1ndalow 2 года назад

      I would assume yes. But don't take my word for it not 100% on it

  • @RhadenGG
    @RhadenGG 2 года назад +6

    Just open source man. For reals.

  • @ryanslavick7074
    @ryanslavick7074 2 года назад +1

    Just get tuned via open source problem solved and get some gauge pods in your car as far as afr and oil pressure things of that nature.

    • @Doodlebobby104
      @Doodlebobby104 2 года назад

      So open source tuning and a stand alone is two diff things?

    • @thejoshuahenry
      @thejoshuahenry 2 года назад +1

      @@Doodlebobby104 Yes.

  • @bugstv7588
    @bugstv7588 2 года назад

    Great Video man!

  • @Chris05STi1982
    @Chris05STi1982 2 года назад

    What about 2002 WRX and stand-alone plug and play with flex tune capability? You can now plate that car with historic plates and no more yearly or every other year testing!😆

  • @ivtec4fun55
    @ivtec4fun55 2 года назад

    Does Access Tuner require internet connection? Tuners might have to have a stand alone CPU that is not connected to the internet to use so that Access Tuner does not update automatically. As long as the end user does not update their Access Port, hmm?

    • @thugwaffle7544
      @thugwaffle7544 2 года назад +1

      yes it is subscription based, i believe you can only be offline 7 or 14 days, some tuners could potentially try the older softwares that were offline, and use a dealer dongle that cobb used to use.

  • @ararson4710
    @ararson4710 2 года назад

    Is it worth it?

  • @thugwaffle7544
    @thugwaffle7544 2 года назад +1

    emtron, link, and haltech all offer essential the same features although emtron has the canbus functionality that the others lack. 99 percent of people will never meet the limitations of any of those 3 ecus, other then potentially running out of I/Os if the person wants to run a million sensors.

  • @juanviilauneva5074
    @juanviilauneva5074 2 года назад

    Don't spend your money on a standalone just find a tuner in your area that didn't update there acesstuner if they are smart they keep there software not connected to wifi

  • @shanewhittenbarger2649
    @shanewhittenbarger2649 2 года назад +2

    If you keep making these videos. Letting the EpA know where to go next, we aren’t gonna have stand alone options. Just my $0.02

  • @erasmoalmanzar792
    @erasmoalmanzar792 2 года назад

    Great 👍 👌 👍 now I know

  • @TheRoyalPlum
    @TheRoyalPlum 2 года назад

    How do you pass state inspection with haltech . I live in New York.

    • @_AlexanderVargas
      @_AlexanderVargas  2 года назад +1

      You can’t. Race car stuff only 😞

    • @mikemeyers336
      @mikemeyers336 2 года назад

      From what I heard from my tuner is that you can easily go back to the stock ecu if you wanted. Just would need the stock ecu tuned to be compliant with inspection/smog etc.

  • @RF-zn8xx
    @RF-zn8xx 2 года назад

    First isnt pnp for all years
    Pfft none of those are for 2008+

  • @xlosksor7801
    @xlosksor7801 2 года назад

    So does this mean I have to uninstall my cobb😭to get a fBO tune

  • @devinmagee1948
    @devinmagee1948 2 года назад +3

    I never really wanted to go stand-alone. I am in too deep lmao

  • @xlkazzlx4232
    @xlkazzlx4232 2 года назад

    I WILL USE FUELTECH stand-alone for my 07 STI

  • @TheE3R
    @TheE3R 2 года назад

    Cobb estan con puras mierdas, Bro, im in the process to build my 15 STi block and going rotated for a street setup, 6062 550 to 600+whp, i have my IAG TGV, air pump delete, i'd love Motec but is expensive as hell, waiting for my tuner and see what options i have.

    • @austinkeys_
      @austinkeys_ 2 года назад +1

      Emtron all day

    • @TheE3R
      @TheE3R 2 года назад

      @@austinkeys_ 👍time to cross🤞this whole build it aint gonna be cheap

  • @hudhud85
    @hudhud85 2 года назад

    With that stand alone are you still able to pass smog (cali)

  • @abedcastaneda9377
    @abedcastaneda9377 2 года назад +3

    No hate intended but All of you are over thinking it ! Your still will Be able to make power with your car with a Accessport you just can’t run a flex fuel kit tgv Egr delete or catless downpipe. Other thn that the Accessport is still the best thing to use especially if your not going over 550 plus wheel lol :)

    • @davidbeauvais1364
      @davidbeauvais1364 2 года назад

      So it will be fine for me my goes is just 400? I was gonna sell it.

    • @meguy798
      @meguy798 2 года назад

      Aren't you limited to stock turbo and injectors according to an earlier video of his (IDK if those are possible power figures on stock turbo and fuel for Subarus I'm a Mazdaspeed guy) ?

    • @abedcastaneda9377
      @abedcastaneda9377 2 года назад

      @@meguy798 no you can still go bigger injectors and turbo just it’s a limited factor obviously because of stock location and the fact that we can still run speed density on Subarus is a big plus still

    • @gabehorn5079
      @gabehorn5079 2 года назад

      But I really wanna go 🌽 on my gr86

    • @abedcastaneda9377
      @abedcastaneda9377 2 года назад

      @@gabehorn5079 you can you will just have a full E85 map and 91 tune you can’t blend your 91-E85 anymore

  • @k9-unit-australia275
    @k9-unit-australia275 2 года назад

    What do you do when you drop $$$$$ on a stand alone then they restrict it’s tuning ability down the track ? Unfortunately tuning is dead.

  • @stelliosskouloudis703
    @stelliosskouloudis703 Год назад

    this video is a waste of time. None of these engine management systems are going to fix the readiness monitors, and most of us live in a state that we have to go through emissions.
    only thing that you can do is use open source to flash the car, get it through emissions and then buy a standalone system and drive it on the street but that’s gonna be a very expensive and time-consuming set up.

  • @pherron7471
    @pherron7471 2 года назад +1

    The average person is not doing standalone. Most people don't even want to pay for genuine parts.

  • @REALCONVERSATIONSWITHNOMARVIN
    @REALCONVERSATIONSWITHNOMARVIN 2 года назад

    Looks like is gonna have to b cobb for another 10 years

  • @rj5485
    @rj5485 2 года назад

    After spending that amount of cash ummmm....don't crash your car 💰 💰

  • @LancerXDS
    @LancerXDS 2 года назад

    Hopefully this route won't make EPA go after stand alone by enforcing emissions for all 50 states.

    • @Bones12x2
      @Bones12x2 2 года назад

      It definetly will. I work in the industry and can tell you from first hand knowledge that the EPA basis most of their legal action around what the current trends are and what people talk about online. The mkre people that start trying to use race car parts on street cars, the faster we lose those as well.

    • @wyatts9646
      @wyatts9646 2 года назад

      @@Bones12x2 How can they go after stand alone ECUs? Stand alone company's always specify there ECUs are for track use only. No shot the EPA can somehow ruin racing also right?

    • @Bones12x2
      @Bones12x2 2 года назад

      @@wyatts9646 there is no such thing as a track/off road use only car or product unless the car was literally built as a race car from the factory. According to the EPA any production vehicle with a VIN is a street car, even if it is modified for track only use. The "track/off road only" term is a made up term that tuners/customers just made up to try and avoid liability, it was never approved by the government. Tryinf to change that is what the RPM act is about. The RPM Act doesn't help street cars, its meant to allow production cars to become legal racecars.

  • @s-almohannadi
    @s-almohannadi 2 года назад

    Go ecutek. Cheaper than standalone and same features as cobb

  • @jeremyluder494
    @jeremyluder494 2 года назад

    I need to get a job at motec. With prices like that, I suspect a shell company for laundering drug cartel money tbh.

  • @8145dwerdna
    @8145dwerdna 2 года назад

    Lol stand alone doesn't do readiness, aka emissions.

  • @omg_visual
    @omg_visual 2 года назад

    LFG🔥🔥

  • @ivanragozin2983
    @ivanragozin2983 2 года назад

    Apreciando a una mujer tan hermosa. 2:8 sentadillas son unos XXXGIRLS.Uno muchas y un buen ejercicio. 5:25 Se deja ver que hay muy buenos resultados 😍👍 Saludos desde la Cd.. de world loso mortales abian apreciado tan hermosa mujer

  • @DrClutchMD
    @DrClutchMD 2 года назад +1

    All Bullshit, never needed access Port... give me a laptop, a kess and winols, and i can tune the shit out of an stock ECU

    • @Slaydur
      @Slaydur Год назад

      That's what I plan on doing. open source with RomRaider and tactrix. I dunno if the stock ecu takes rolling anti-lag though