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3500 Miles Final Verdict BMW M2 G87 Goodbye | 4k
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Running Order of this video;
00:00 Intro
01:26 Setup
04:40 Getting rid of the Bongs
09:36 On the road
26:54 My mate Andy's words
30:39 Conclusion
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Will you vote against the liberal socialist politicians supporting speed warnings?
I love how Joe explains the reason behind the config settings. If you are a car enthusiast, this channel is a must to have in your subscription list
An absolutely fantastic sports car as a daily, and backroads. Its suspension and handling is incredible, plenty of power, and when mixed with a 6 speed manual, you can’t ask for a better setup. Excellent review.
Unless it's a Corvette with a manual 😉
@@jeremyroper7273 I never heard they were tall. Also, the gears in the rear end are 3:73 I Believe. The Porsche is much different, it doesn't have the power to compensate
@@jeremyroper7273 more research regarding what?
Sure you can. It's a digital car that one feels dead inside after driving it. The manual is horrible, bmw never had good manuals.The steering is dead and lacks any feel/communication.
@@piotr2951 A C6 Z06 is the way to go. I have a C7 Z51 Supercharged with a manual now, but I'm thinking about getting a C6 Z06 myself
I went together with a buddy of mine to pick up his brand new M2. The baby blue one. Carbon buckets, carbon roof and pretty much all bells and whistles. What a nice car really. 👌
As a horse owner - thank you soo much for setting the example ❤
No problem 😊
This comment certainly didn’t make sense until watching the video 😂
Joe, I just want to encourage you to keep going! Thanks for your great humility, sense of humor, honesty, and enthusiasm. Love the channel. Blessings.
Hi Joe. I have exactly that spec in Australia we don’t have the bongs, gongs etc as we are exempt from stupidity at the moment but I love the carbon seat it’s such a nice feeling when driving the car. I have the manual and I just love the extra involvement it brings. I have added a lot of extra details like splitter, eibach springs etc and I get asked everywhere I go about the car. There is a massive M following down under as you know from your last trip and from my experience the M2 is always just so much fun. Let’s face the facts it is being fazed out of life but people out there if you want a great drivers car and not at bonkers hyper car prices, get an M2 you will not regret it.
Bongs are not a thing in the US as well
Fellow Aussie here, how is it for inner city driving with our bumpy pothole roads? I'm only 10km from Melb CBD so unsure if this will still be a good daily.
@@Lhug1989it is unreal very compliant I have added lower eibach springs. Is just ripper.
Do you mean, "...exempt due to stupidity.."?
Its wonderful. Have my 24 Black 8-speed auto with regular seats (M accents) with the sunroof and saving almost 10k that way. Its a wonderful daily. I have 2 stoplights on my way to work and fun hillside backroads. The M2 just eats up the corners and is a rocketship on demand. But beyond "livable" at 6am on a Monday. Its not cheap but compared to others with similar performance, M3/4 comp. Alfa's or Cayman GTS. It's almost a bargain. Almost went for the CT4 blackwing though and honestly its a good contender in that $60k US world too
A good lengthy review with a lot of content. There is a mix to the feedback which is always nice.
I had a test drive in the G87 a while back, The interior is on another level from the F87 but on the road it felt HUGE to me compared to my F87 and I also thought the dash was a bit fussy ( I guess you would get used to it )
Love it from the day it was born. Nice. Brilliant video Joe.
Joe thank You for the great content. After a longer while my order for G87 ZBlue was placed. I looked forward to this moment for a very long time. Watching Your channel helped my to build my own spec. I am sure it will be a lots of fun! Cheers Mate!
I was hoping to hear a comparison between this M2, and the RS3 you fell in love with, and wanted to own!
I really like the styling, did since the day I saw one.
It's not as 'raw' as the OG M2 (of which I am a massive fan and owner), but man what an absolute machine.
Wouldn't have one in that light blue, it just screams Hyundai i20N.
Bought a new 2 series two weeks ago and the bongs can be switched off permanently.. turn lane assist down to minimum and you hardly notice it,without switching it off every time you start. Great car..😎
Thanks Joe..you guided me to the "right" purchase of our previous '19 230i xDrive and more recently, our x3 M40i. Drove both a current M2 AT at BMW PDC in Greenville, SC and a z4 s30i locally. Those two are my considerations. Saw a new Alpine White/Cognac z4 M40i Handschalter today....wish I could have driven that one!
Saw yours in the metal at the MotoGP last year. I was then subsequently invited to test drive a G87. I have extensively driven a F87 and the G87 was such an improvement. The F87 was sublime but the G87 just turned tweaked it and improved in every day...maybe not on the gearbox as I was comparing DCT on the F87 to the Torque Convert on the G87. The lasting thoughts were how nimble and light it felt. The front end was incredible.
Very informative review Joe - excellent and well done. As a G87 owner I would add the following:
1. Clicking “sport” on M-mode button also turns off a number of the bongs - I tend to press and hold “set”
2. I have the ZF auto and really love the very short gear ratios which you can flick through - love manuals as well but for me the shorter ratios and fast shifts actually make the car more enjoyable on UK roads.
3. I have the BMW starred Pirelli pzero corsa tyres and whilst they may be slightly stiffer I think they do manage to add more feeling back into the EPAS steering. Michelins are known to be great at objective markers but tend to suffer on subjective feel
4. I will be adding m-perf lowering springs soon so will be interesting to see if that makes much difference
Cheers
Another great review Joe 👏🏻. 220 mile range would be too low for me. I get 500 miles out of my 330i N53 on a long trip. Went to the Nürburgring recently and didn’t have to fill up the entire way there. A big bonus when it’s bad weather & dark etc.
The M2 is the only true M car I’d want/purchase. Love the old school (late 80s) M3 design! It’s a porker, but it has a lot of historical charm. As soon as the M2 becomes available as a CS model with AWD, I’m a buyer! Great presentation. Cheers/B
Dont worry, it wont be with awd
@@schwagier AWD just makes it too safe, numb, and predictable.
That isn't what M cars should be.
I love this, and if I could afford one I'd buy one. Until then, I'll enjoy my OG M2.
Great video, Joe. I love your BMW content. It's one of the reasons why I bought mine.
Very interesting and conprehensive take. One thing regarding TC, Rubens Barrichello (former F1 driver) took it to the track and called out TC at 4 to be the optimal setting for lap time.
Cracking review Joe and very honest, the looks are growing on me, it takes awhile some times, even the M3 grille is getting there, hate the lane assist on my M340 has scared me at times! Keep up the good work! 👍
So a pre-flight checklist is needed. Wonderful. I bet there’s a way disable any bong noise through the stereo controller.
I have seen a few will full m kits and lowered and they actually look good in grey or black
It’s grown on me as long as it’s in a nice colour and full m kit, bar the exhaust
I had a 2020 M2. It was my first BMW after owning 4 Audis in a row. I had several small issues with it though. A rear seal gasket went, there was a belt noise I never did get rid of despite taking it in 3 times and a couple other little things. I traded it in on the new RS3. Guess I'm just an Audi guy.
Loved the end of term review - thorough as always ! Totally agree with the manual gearing issue in 6th and can’t imagine the annoying bongs as we don’t get them in our Oz spec cars. Those frozen colours look tasty. Appreciate the shout out and clip - epic memories. ❤👊🏻
Great video as always Joe. I think one of these would be a pretty perfect second car if you’ve got an SUV / Estate etc. to cover the practical things, but as a one car proposition, it’s the ‘new’ M3 / M4 that appeals more to me
Great review, very honest, as always. Following you since 2019, keep doing what you are doing!
Thank you SO much for saying you leave rev-matching on. I love that feature! But some journalist and fans want to act like they are experts and they aren't. They complain about an option they can take off.
But I feel like you can be real !
I must be the only one who loved this M2 when I first saw it 😂
I loved it enough to be the first man on Maui to own one. Fucking brilliant car and loved by just about everyone who sees it.
Just bought one last week. It turns a lot of heads and is a blast to drive!
I feel better for not ordering a manual now. Our new pair are both autos.
Thanks for the useful info on disabling stupid bongs too 😁👍
I like manuals, but this car seems to be much better as an automatic.
It is, I got the auto too. An M car should have a top notch transmission, the manual is not up to par.
Fabulous video again. I really miss my M4 and due to company tax rules had to get a Tesla M3P but it’s nothing like the passion and love you feel for an M car. Glad I’m not the only one who calls them horsies!
The m240 is the first automatic I've owned. Also I noticed the offset seating immediately. Hated it. I solved two problems with one change.
1.I didn't know what to do with my left leg, all it did was sit around
2. The offset seating sucked
Solution. I began braking with my left foot. That forces me to sit straight in the car and I don't feel like my left leg is gonna wilt walkway.
21 M240i owner, and that was not a problem in that generation! I'm sorry to hear of that flaw!
Interesting comment about the manual versus auto and linking it to fuel economy. When I bought my first golf GTI on the road test I asked the sales rep about fuel economy, His response to me was if fuel economy is high on my agenda the GTI is the wrong car for me. When people ask me about fuel economy in my M4 I don’t really provide an answer because if fuel economy is important consider an alternative car.
Great review Joe. It's amazing how much more love this new M2 is getting now that people have spent time with it. After "the internet" just decided, en masse, that this car was a joke when it was first announced, turns out it's pretty darn good! Dunno if you saw Chris Harris' recent review on Collecting Cars, but that was basically what he was saying too (and he was one of the haters initially). Loving your content Joe, thanks heaps for pumping out all the high quality stuff.
Thanks man! The very first thing I talk about on the road is Chris's video and rave review.
@@JoeAchilles1 ha you did too! My bad. Watched the video and my goldfish memory just deleted it 😬
Nice video, loved my previous generation M2 Comp.
Also nice to see you comment on lane assist, on my current M4 it tried to kill me numerous times in roadworks or the dark, where it get horribly confused. Most of the emergency assistance turns off in heavy weather (when you really need it) BMW are pretty good at this stuff, its just saying to me driverless car tech is genuinely a long way away from being properly usable and safe.
The most fun thing in the world is watching people who don't own a car talk bad about it😂
To me g87 is the best fun car.
That’s why they don’t own it…
Love the bold design of this; something we lack in many new cars today 🏆
Had an all day test drive from Rybrook now Sytner Shrewsbury, great fun car to drive really engaging, never had one bong gong or anything tbh, I guess the dealerships don’t like them either 👍
Good vid ! I had one for 24h recently and enjoyed it.
Picking mine up next week :)
best review on cars for a real driver
I f4c#2 hate safety shit
Great video Joe, really enjoyed this. I must say the new M2 has grown on me as I’ve seen a few on the road over the past few months. However, I do prefer the latest M240i in terms of overall athletics.
Grown on you! 😂The new M2 did and still does look like a clown car.
I got this car. After installing the short shifter kit from rogue engineering, i found it much better to drive as a manual
I love the styling...looks much better in person.
Bricks 🧱
All these RWD cars are unfortunately too powerful for UK roads and weather. Basically impossible to drive properly or more than 3/4 throttle for 8 months of the year.
BMW must be struggling to sell this car, as there’s some with delivery miles for £55k, some with the supposed ‘18k carbon pack and exhaust’ for low £60’s when the original MSRP for a base model is £64,000…
Everyone waiting for the competition version
@@khuzramapr is dropping to 4.9% from 7.9% on them from jan aswell
I absolutely love driving M cars in winter, in fact I find it more fun than summer. You can drift them with ease at much more sensible speed’s. And wrestling with it adds drama and plenty of smiles.
A great video about bongs.
400 miles into mine, my M1 settings are similar to yours - except I have autoblip off. Start up is control wheel forwards (to shortcuts), Drive settings, Speed limit warning off, Lane assist off and confirm), then M1. One fewer action than your way. I am undecided about 'M sound'. I am also quite interested in M Mode Sport - which puts the rev counter onto the head-up display as well as turning off speed limit warnings. For me the downside is that if you use cruise (which I often do) it sets it back to road. By the way, you can apply a few mph tolerance to the speed limit warnings but I still want them fully off. Joe do get in touch.
Sadly mine came on P Zeros
Thank you for the video!!! Again well done! Thank you for the very detailed explanation of the speed limit warning stuff on the M2. Sadly will feel like an airplane pilot in the future to start up a car.
One word to the manual gearbox you were talking about: I've been searching for a manual M2/M3 to test drive for months now. Eight official dealerships and one BMW group-owned dealership in my area don't have own cars or pool cars with a manual gearbox (no M2, no M3). Even after sending three emails to BMW, I haven't had any success. The experience here is even worse, with auto-generated replies that tell me I should go to a local dealership and that they do not print any info material anymore (which i haven’t even asked for). Currently, the car buying experience in Germany is not something I can recommend to someone else. At the moment, I have the impression that BMW doesn't want to sell cars with a manual gearbox (despite promoting it on RUclips and even through their engineers). Maybe I'm just not the right type of customer, and BMW expects customers to spend 80,000€ or more without being able to test that type of gearbox. I don't know, but right now, I'm more than disappointed. Anyway, I just had to vent my frustration about this situation. Still, thank you very much for your videos and the podcast. Keep it up.
Before I bought my M2 Comp there was the same problem - Joe extremely kindly let me try his car. This time, my dealer (UK) had a manual demo - and I went ahead and ordered a manual.
@@markburton5170Definitely a top-notch opportunity for sure! I've been thinking about checking out a used one for a test drive, but it's not easy. The closest M3 available for a spin is 350km away. I could squeeze it into a single day - a 4-hour drive there, an hour test drive, and another 4 hours back. But honestly, I'm not sure if that would make for a great day. Plus, I don't really want to waste a dealer's time, money, and put extra miles on a car that I know I won't end up buying. It just doesn't feel right.
Great Vid Joe as always! Take care..
Definitely the Lego car, I like that analogy.❤😂 lane departure pulls you into cyclists 🚴♀️ I have never seen such a dangerous device. This is an excellently detailed video on the car’s characteristics First class Joe..✅
the inconsistent brake "bitey-ness" I think is due to the feature they added when you suddenly lift off the gas pedal, the brake system will be automatically primed to give instant brake response.
the problem is, like you said, leads to an inconsistent feeling.
Hmm I'm not sure it's that, my 2005 130i had that technology and it didn't ruin or change the brake pedal feel....
i drive g31, you are right, i have had cases as well, when car decided to brake and steer where it should not, not very safe imo.
for me thankfully its one button hold and all that is off, but nowdays that button is gone
At least you guys can disable the speed alert bongs, we in India don't have an option to disable that. It bongs for some time after 80 km/h and remains constant after 120km/h😞
M3 was always know for its feel and engagement to the car, since this M2 is the only way to have a manual, it’s basically a continuation of M3 for the die hard enthusiasts. Great car
according to BMW's configurator, here in Canada anyways, you can still get an M3 with a manual...
Thanks for a great review summary, Joe. Pretty accurate summation of the pluses and minuses, I think. Not a perfect car, but a damn good one.
BTW, I think it's hysterical you and Harry Metcalfe have the same "special" corner for filming videos. 😊
Love my 2021!
Fantastic video sir.
If the shortcut tab would remain open instead of making you swipe down every single time you touch one function it would be almost as good as the physical shortcuts in the older BMWs
Thank god a manual is available .
Love the looks of the M2…
Hi Joe👍, great summation of your time with the M2. What a faff to start every journey switching off things but as you say legislation dictates car suppliers now. Fair round up at the end buddy 👍. Hope to see the M3 touring very soon 💞😎
12:40 true, the old m2 was too stiff, too quick with gas and brake, new one looks way better for normal driving
i’m hopeful when my mini countryman lease is up i’m getting this. my 6 yr old can fit in the back.
Super informative and onest review! Happy to see the pixel 8 pro in there, I would be happy to hear your opinion about it, I am a long time nexus and pixel user.
Amazing car mate, the bmw track day i did, we had all the M cars and at the end of the day they asked me which i would take,i chose m2, its fast fun and great on track and road, but as i need something bigger ill stick with my 340i tourer i love practical and great fun, well done mate keep it up and if your ever around Lincolnshire give me a shout, just to let you know my wife has been chosen for a new trail from the royal Marsden hospital, they have found a DNA marker in blood and can tell if its going to turn into cancer, so can treat it quicker, anyway sorry to go on but it’s amazing 🙏
Another great review. Thanks mate.
I was honestly thinking of buying an M2 but the BONGs would drive me insane.
My partner has a z4m40i. Has all the bongs and self steering crap. I hate it. We spoke to a service advisor a while back and they mentioned that new cars from 2026 you won’t be able to switch it off.
Joe great review - agree with your comments my G87 is more Fun than when I had G82. I ❤ my T.R so which colour would you choose against the very limited choice. Miss 360’ cameras thought
I have always loved the way BMWs look, even the New M3/M4s famous grill, I just think they got it right from day one. This thing however, well I really thought, my god BMW what have you done. I mean look at it. Having said that, after the 6 months or so of seeing them I have grown to absolutely love it, BMW are genius at that, their styling is so out there it does take a while to get it and then when you do, it's like wow, that is cool.
When my 330i is paid off in the next few years, this is what I'll be going to. Can't wait.
Superb review, as ever! I'd love to get my hands on one of these, but the m240i is more likely
Really great cars !!
All these seem to need is spacers, lower ride height and a front splitter to set them off 👌
Love that. Thanks. I want one!
Can you please tell us about its reliability.. is it full of plastic under the hood..
Just couldn’t get at peace with the styling of this this car when searching for a daily driver. Namely, the rear end, but especially the gimmicky interior dash put me off. Ended up buying an Acura integra Type S (Civic Type R sister here in North America). Found it to just as engaging to drive and an easier price tag to swallow.
I'm guessing the US doesn't require those warnings. We have those same options in settings but if you turn them off they ALL stay off, including lane departure. That would drive me crazy 😆. I have my 23 G80 in Germany too, no issues.
You know you're a manual guy Joe!
Do u have to switch off that speed limit warning every time you start the car?
Interesting and surprising that our 23 UK i4m50 doesn't have the warning bong or speed limiter challenges you mention. It does unfortunately try to steer where it wants but at least its saved in low setting. Just needs coded off, sure it's quite easy with software.
Top work, as usual👍
Great car, great video. They are overpriced and I think the c90 brand new ones on AutoTrader confirm this. BMW doing a price hike in Jan will just push customers further away. These cars can't keep going up!
Yeah the lane safety feature in the M240i is also janky... Sees larger cracks in the road surface as white lines, even at speed. Why would you want that on a sports orientated vehicle anyway... I WANT TO DRIVE THE THING
I got one, it needs a short shifter. Perfect after that
Even tough G87 shares many components with G80/G82, I think for G87 the steering rack is changed? And maybe something else causing the differences as the G87 is a different car, even if it's on the same platform etc.
Great video Joe. Question for you: GTS 4.0 with a PDK or 992 911 GTS PDK with lightweight package, which would you take as a daily driver?
How does a gear shift assistant work exactly? Does it essentially turn the manual gearbox into an automatic whevever you want? Or is it more like a motorcycle’s quick shifter? Where you can ignore the clutch completely? I’m learning more about cars so please excuse my lack of knowledge.
I passed my test like over a year ago and the car was new and had these safety bs that the instructor would turn off saying that nearly killed me😂
The worse front-end compared to the M3/M4 is probably down to the shorter wheelbase and the effect that has on weight distribution.
Great review Joe!
Love the Toronto red
Wonder how it feels compared to e46 m3
Excellent video
Hi Joe, greetings from the USA. Solid review. Question: if I won the lottery tomorrow and could choose a manual transmission M2 or M4 as my daily, which would you recommend and why? Keep up a great work 👍🏼.
There are few G87/G82 track comparision on yt and they are making identical times
I wonder if the Bimmercode app works on this car, at least on my Mini GP, certain things like the fake exhaust sound and engine auto off can be disabled permanetely by using an ODB2 bluetooth adapter and bimmercode app. Hoping the same is the case with this M2 when it comes to permantely disabling the speed bongs and lane assists.
The looks still haven't grown on me unlike the M3 and 4 series but no denying it's abilities.
Fantastic work
Wheel alignment could make the difference between the m2 vs m3/4.